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In walks a man in his 70s,
in clear agony,

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something wrong with his arm.

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He was in excruciating pain.

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He was literally screaming out.

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And there's blisters, there's areas
that look like they're dying.

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It was a race against time, trying
to find out what had been injected.

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They didn't know whether
he was gonna live or die.

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The infection is causing
a state of sepsis.

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He'd had a botched COVID jab.

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RAPID BEEPING

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LONG BEEP

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SIREN WAILS

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Just looked like a stranger attack.
Premises were gonna get searched.

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It was crazy,
full of emergency services.

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The police didn't really know
what they were dealing with.

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They find a cache of books
and documents

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about poisons and chemicals
and murder.

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He used the identity
of a community nurse.

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He's vanished.
There's no sign of him.

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What's the motive?

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Who is this man?

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Ingleby Barwick,
it's a lovely place to live.

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We live just on the golf course,
so we've got nice views.

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When I first moved here,
it was a new build,

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and there was a vicar
first living next door.

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We've got nice neighbours.

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We have ex-footballers,
we've doctors.

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This is an area
where wealthy, affluent,

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middle-class professionals live.

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It's very respectable.
It's got a neighbourhood watch.

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My husband was working away
at the time,

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and the next day, he rang me
and asked why our house was on news.

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So, obviously, it was a big thing,
everyone was talking about it.

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Murderers aren't always people that
you think are gonna have that look.

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You see it on TV and films,

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and they're always portrayed
as a monster.

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But it's actually
the people that you know,

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and people that
you're supposed to trust.

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In Ingleby Barwick,
neighbours know each other.

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But little did they know

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that behind the garage door
of one of these houses,

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there is an individual
who's plotting to murder.

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In November 2023,
a man called Patrick O'Hara

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received a letter from the NHS,
telling him that he'd been selected

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for a home visit
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and a COVID booster jab.

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Patrick then received
a second letter in January of 2024,

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and that again reiterated
the details of the appointment

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for the injection to be delivered,

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and had a QR code
that took Patrick to a website

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with a medical questionnaire
that he could complete

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ahead of the appointment.

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And he was happy
to have that home visit.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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And on Sunday,

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Patrick receives a text message
from the community nurse,

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telling him that he'll be getting
his home visit the next day.

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The nurse knocked at the door,
Patrick opened the door,

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saw the nurse,
saw it was someone in a mask,

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had tinted spectacles, a hat,

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a long coat, and gloves on.

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The community nurse
introduces himself as Raj Patel,

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takes some blood samples.

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And at that point,
Patrick's partner, Jenny,

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comes into the room,
and asks the community nurse

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if he wouldn't mind taking
her blood pressure, which he does.

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Patrick couldn't see
the face of Raj Patel,

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but his ID was a man
with a clipped, neat moustache,

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a beard, glasses,
and a full head of hair.

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The nurse was speaking
in a broken English, Asian accent.

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And then the community nurse
tells Patrick

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that he's eligible
for his COVID booster jab,

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and so offers his arm
and gets the injection.

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The jab was incredibly painful.
Patrick yelled in pain.

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He yelled, "Bloody hell!"

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The nurse assured him
this sort of thing happened.

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But Patrick's starting
to get a bit worried,

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cos his arm is very sore.

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He's a little bit worried
about what's going on,

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so he leaves the house
to see where the nurse has gone.

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And there's no sign of him.
He's vanished.

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Patrick was concerned about the pain
in his arm, and as a result,

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he attended the local hospital.

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It was deemed to be likely
to be side effects of a vaccination.

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The doctors would've thought
that's a bit unusual,

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but it's not uncommon
to react to an injection.

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It's what we want the body to do,
so that we can gain immunity

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to that foreign thing.

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And so, when it's a bit sore,
we might be thinking,

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"Oh, look, could there be
an infection that was introduced?

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"Possibly. Why not give him
some antibiotics

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"and just see if that helps
settle things down?"

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That should have been
the end of the case.

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The pain is really getting
quite intense now.

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There's some quite nasty blistering
on his skin.

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He's really worried, so, eventually,

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he goes to the
accident and emergency unit

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at his local RVI hospital
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SIREN WAILS

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When he comes back
and the antibiotics haven't worked,

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the pain is worse,
and he's now got areas of skin

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that are clearly dying or blistered,

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then this is no longer
a simple vaccine reaction.

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Something else has gone on.

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If this was an infection,

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then it hasn't been controlled
by antibiotics,

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it means that
it's a severe infection.

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If there's something else that's
gone on to cause this tissue to die,

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then he needs that dead tissue
to be removed.

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He's diagnosed
with necrotising fasciitis,

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which is basically, like,
a flesh-eating condition.

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Necrotising fasciitis
is a deeper infection,

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goes right down to the fascia
which covers the muscle,

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and it spreads quickly.

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They have to keep cutting away
the tissue to clear the infection.

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But the incidents
of necrotising fasciitis

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in an otherwise fit and well person
who's just had an injection

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is vanishingly small.

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It's not something we see.

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I haven't seen any
necrotising infections,

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bad flesh-eating bugs, in anyone
who's had a vaccination before.

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And that's in 20 years
of doing medicine.

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So, all this time,
Patrick's lying in intensive care,

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not knowing what's caused this,

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not knowing
what the outcome's gonna be,

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worried he's gonna die.

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And of course, Jenny,
who's been his partner for 20 years,

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has no idea what's happening,

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and she's looking at the possibility
that he might die.

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The doctors and nurses at the RVI
were baffled by what happened.

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When Patrick's on intensive care
is likely when they realise,

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"We need to feed back
to the community nurse,

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"we need to let
the vaccine manufacturer know

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"that something was wrong."

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So, they'd have started digging.

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They start to have a look
at the letters that he'd received

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about this appointment.

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And very quickly, it becomes
apparent that there is no Raj Patel

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and there is
no community nursing team,

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and these letters that he'd received
were actually fake.

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And at that point,
the police were contacted,

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because it appeared that somebody
had administered an injection

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of an unknown substance
into Patrick,

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and caused him
to be seriously unwell.

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If this community nurse
has injected Patrick

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with a life-threatening poison,

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could it be that he's
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doing it to other people?

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Is there a wider risk
to the general public

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with regards to this individual,
or is it an isolated incident?

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It's a very real prospect that
the police have got to consider,

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cos they just don't know
who this person is.

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Who is Raj Patel?

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Patrick O'Hara, a man in his 70s,
is lying in intensive care.

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Er, he's in agony.

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This was a guy who initially went in

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saying he'd had
a botched COVID jab.

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It was a race against time

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trying to find out
what had been injected.

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And so, at that point,
they call in the police,

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er, and it becomes apparent

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this is an attempt
to take somebody's life.

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Generally, when you're talking
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the statistics say
it's around about 80% of victims

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have had some kind of contact
with the person who've killed them

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or attempted to kill them.

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Whether that be a domestic
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stranger murders are very unusual.

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They very rarely take place.

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They do happen, obviously,
but it's rare.

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Most people have
some kind of relationship

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with the person that's killed them,

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whether that be
a long-term relationship

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or a very short interaction.

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On face value,
it was somebody called Raj Patel...

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..who is or is purporting
to be a health care nurse

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attending the address
to deliver a vaccine.

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Which, actually, was all false.

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You have got two people,

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two elderly people
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who have been attacked.

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Now, where do you start from?

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Because when you deal with
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there's normally obvious signs
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The method, there's a scene,
there's evidence.

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But on this occasion,

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a person has gone in,
they've got gloves on,

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they're completely covered up,
so there's not going to be any DNA.

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For all intents and purposes,
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if we looked at these letters,

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they would look as if they were
genuine letters from the NHS.

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They were established as forgeries.

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As an investigator,
you want to show,

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one, the planning involved
in forging them,

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but also you've got to prove
that they are false.

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And that means
going to the hospital,

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going to the NHS,

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and evidencing the fact
that it is false,

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the fact that Raj Patel
doesn't exist.

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Is there somebody called
Raj Patel in the hospital?

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Is he using somebody else's name,
or is it just a work of fiction?

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The fact that everything
within that letter is false,

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and the only people that can
give you that evidence are the NHS.

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Patrick's lying in intensive care
not knowing what's caused this,

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not knowing what the outcome's
gonna be, or if he's gonna die.

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MARK BROWN:
It wasn't a COVID booster,

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but nobody had any idea
of what it was.

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Medical staff wanted to know.

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It was obvious now
Patrick O'Hara had been poisoned,

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had been left for dead.

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Jenny, his partner,
has no idea what's happening.

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After he was admitted to hospital,

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he had this pain in his arm
where he had been injected.

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And gradually,
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became badly damaged
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and that created this condition
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You can lose the arm or you can die.
It's really quite a dangerous thing.

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It happens when you damage the skin,
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start growing and start damaging
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And perhaps what happened
when he injected the poison,

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we presume under the skin,

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was he created a locus
where that damage could happen.

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So whenever, as a doctor,

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we find someone
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we'd urgently call a surgeon,
ask for an assessment.

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There'd be imaging happening,
probably a CT scan or an MRI,

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try and understand what's going on,

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and the surgeon
will try and remove the skin

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as fast as possible
to get on top of what's going on.

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JOHN FITZPATRICK:
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you start at the point of the crime

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and work your way backwards
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And so it's like you are reversing
what's happened in real time.

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MARTIN EVANS: So, the police
are desperate to identify

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who this Raj Patel person is
who's visited Patrick at home

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and given him this injection.

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Fortunately, Patrick lived
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St Thomas Street.

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There was a wealth of CCTV
in the case.

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Both Premier Inn
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have good coverage of CCTV cameras.

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So they're able to see this
very distinctive-looking character,

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a person dressed in the long coat,
the hat and the surgical mask,

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walking on foot
through the city centre.

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Northumbria Police
picked up Raj Patel

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and followed him all the way
through the street

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and back to the Premier Inn.

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JOHN FITZPATRICK: I think,
when they started viewing

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the footage within the Premier Inn,
alarm bells was... started ringing.

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When Northumbria Police examined
the CCTV from the Premier Inn,

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they were expecting
to see Raj Patel,

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a man of Indian descent.

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They realised that he had checked in
as John Chan,

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and when they examined the CCTV,

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they saw a man
who looked of Chinese heritage.

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They can see this chap
who's checked in as John Chan

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eating breakfast in the restaurant,
going back to his room.

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And then, a couple of hours later,

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leaving his room
dressed in the outfit

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that we know
that Raj Patel was wearing.

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Police tracked John Chan
through CCTV

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and saw him going into the car park
at the Premier Inn.

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MARK BROWN: They found him
and his white Toyota Yaris.

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They thought they'd got the man.

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Then they found out
it had fake number plates.

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They thought, "Who is this man?"

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Patrick was being monitored
on intensive care

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with checks every hour,
continuous monitoring.

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They'd looked at his condition
and seen that it was getting worse.

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They made the decision
to go back to theatre

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to cut out more of the dead tissue

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and make sure that his chances
of survival were only increasing.

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Doctors were trying to find out
what had been injected into Patrick.

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When you look at a poisoner,

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the typical profile is somebody
who wants to have insidious control,

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and they want
to dominate their victims.

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They wanna watch them suffer,

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but in quite a distant
and cowardly manner.

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But I have to say that Raj Patel

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doesn't quite fit
into this narrative

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because he never intended
to stick around.

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You know, his plan was to
give this injection and leave,

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and distance himself
as quickly as possible.

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Medics are working round the clock
to identify what this poison is.

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There's some classic poisons,
like arsenic.

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Now, arsenic we use
in medical therapy now.

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So, people with cancer
may receive arsenic

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cos it's toxic
and it helps kill the cancer.

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But it was the classic poison,

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the poisoner's poison
of the 1700 and 1800s.

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The classic poison you would kill
someone with was always arsenic.

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Thallium is, erm, is interesting.

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It's a slow acting poison, really.

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It destroys your bone marrow

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but also damages your nerves
and also makes you lose your hair.

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So, classic of people
have been exposed to thallium,

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some days or weeks
after the exposure,

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you find they lose their hair,

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they get pain in their fingertips
from the nerve damage,

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and they'll, early on,
have problems with their gut.

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Also, they might have diarrhoea,
pain in their abdomen,

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as the thallium is damaging
the cells in the lining of the gut.

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So, those are two
very classic poisons.

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But it wasn't any of these poisons.

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From the outset, very unusual crime,

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somebody to be injected
with what now appears to be

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a potentially
life-threatening poison.

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What's the motive,
and who's the person responsible?

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JOHN FITZPATRICK:
The investigators established

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that the number plates
on the car were false.

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They were the same make of car,
but not the model,

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and so again, because he was
in the car in the city centre,

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they were able to trace
the car's movements on CCTV

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and, er, ANPR.

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Now, there's ANPR cameras,

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that's automatic number plate
recognition cameras,

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on many main roads in Britain now.

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So, they're able to track
the route of the car,

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and he heads south out of Newcastle,
down towards the Teesside area,

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which is about 40 miles away,

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and eventually ends up
in a very nice wealthy place

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near Stockton
called Ingleby Barwick.

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And they're able to trace the car
all the way back to a house,

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and that house belongs to a man
called Dr Thomas Kwan.

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Northumbria Police,
as part of their investigation,

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spoke to Patrick and to Jenny.

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And one of the things
that Jenny said

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was that the nurse, Raj Patel,
was the same height as her son.

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And when they spoke
to Patrick and said,

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"Have you been having disagreements
or disputes with anybody?"

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Because they're trying
to find out why.

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Why was Patrick targeted?

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Patrick told them
that he had had no disputes,

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no disagreements, and wasn't in
any sort of arguments with anyone.

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The only thing
that he could think of

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was about a year ago
there had been a disagreement,

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and that was about money,

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and that was with Jenny's son,
Thomas Kwan.

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So, the information from Thomas Kwan
may have been given, er,

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to police by Patrick, but that would
only be a suspicion at the time.

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And so they would be developing
that as a line of investigation,

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but also you've gotta follow
where the evidence takes you,

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and by tracing the car in CCTV
to the house of Thomas Kwan.

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So, that suspicion that Patrick
had given to the police officers

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who had attended the hospital
was kind of cemented.

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The police went to the hotel
and obtained the details

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of the person who had...
who had booked in, John Chan.

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However, the bank card
they'd used to pay

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for the room was not in that name.

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And when they did the financial
inquiries regarding the bank card,

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it's at that stage, they realised,

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that the person was Thomas Kwan

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or certainly that he had paid
for the hotel room.

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That bank card had also been used
to pay for parking

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for the car that had been driven
to Newcastle on false number plates.

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And then when the police looked
into Thomas Kwan's address,

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they found that he owned a car,
of the same make and model

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that had travelled to Newcastle
on the false plates.

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And that led to Thomas Kwan
being identified as a suspect.

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Northumbria Police
felt at that point

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that they had enough
to arrest Thomas Kwan.

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So they attended his home address.

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POLICE RADIO CHATTER

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BANGING ON DOOR

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OFFICER: Hello there,
are you Dr Kwan? Yes.

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Do you mind if we
come in for a second, please?

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Yes.
Thank you.

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It was 6:30 in the morning.

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Police got to Kwan's house.

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The time is now 06:30 hours, OK?

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I'm arresting you for the offence

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of the suspicion
of the attempted murder.

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You don't have to say anything
but it may harm your defence

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if you do not mention
when questioned

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something you later
rely on in court.

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Anything you do say
may be given as evidence.

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His demeanour was very calm.

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He didn't say anything.
He was... He was calm.

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He wasn't shocked in any way.

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You're now under arrest
on suspicion of those offences, OK?

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At the point
the police contacted me,

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they'd clearly identified
a single suspect in Thomas Kwan.

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They had a range of evidence
which strongly suggested Thomas Kwan

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as being the person responsible

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for delivering the injection
to Patrick.

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The issue at that point

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was nobody had any idea
what was in that injection.

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And from that it made it
quite difficult at that point

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to really try to understand

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what Thomas Kwan's intentions were
in delivering that injection.

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And that was the real challenge
at that point in the case.

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It was fairly clear that Thomas Kwan
was the person responsible,

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but exactly what he'd done and why

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was the difficulty
as far as I saw it.

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After Thomas Kwan's arrest
and his interview,

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he didn't cooperate,
he didn't answer any questions.

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It's not unusual for people to
remain silent during the interview.

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But it doesn't mean
that we don't ask the questions.

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And it can be frustrating
for the person being interviewed,

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and it can be frustrating
for the legal advisor

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within the interview as well.

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But the interviewing officers
won't get frustrated

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because they've got a job to do.

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They've gotta ask every question
that's relevant,

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because what you don't want
is you don't want him

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sort of coming up with answers
within court at a later date

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to questions that you haven't asked.

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00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,960
It's not unusual when people
are suspected of serious crimes

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that they remain silent
during police interviews.

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Obviously, you don't wanna
incriminate yourself

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by saying something that will
give the police the evidence

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they need to charge you.

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The fact that Patrick was so ill,
you know, you would use that

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as part of your strategy
during an interview.

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You would pose questions
with regards to, you know,

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if you tell us
what you injected him with,

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you might be able to help.

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You've got to remember this is at
the beginning of the investigation.

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And so a lot of the evidence
that would've been recovered

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would probably be
after those interviews as well,

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once everything's been put together.

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So him and his legal advisor
would not know the full extent

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of the evidence against them
at that point.

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The fact that Thomas Kwan refused to
participate in the investigation...

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..it does raise red flags,
because if he was innocent

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and if he was horrified
that somebody had tried to kill

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his mum's partner of 20 years,

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surely any normal person
would've said, "I wasn't there.

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"It wasn't me."
And they would've denied it.

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The fact that he said nothing,
nothing at all,

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would be quite concerning
as an investigator.

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By remaining silent,
you're clearly not coming across

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to the police as somebody
who's got nothing to hide.

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Thomas Kwan is an ordinary man.

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He was born in Hong Kong,

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and he came to the country
when he was 13

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and he went to boarding school.

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00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,200
And then studied medicine
at Newcastle University.

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His parents, I think, had divorced
about 27 years before this incident.

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My name is Angela, and Dr Kwan
is one of my neighbours.

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So, if I look out my window,
I can see into the garden.

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So we're all quite close.

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I don't think he was very friendly
with any of the neighbours.

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They more or less
kept themselves to themselves.

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00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Just see them coming
in and out sort of thing.

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00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,640
Never really saw him out playing
with a child or anything.

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00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,240
It was all a bit strange.

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My friend has had a couple
of runs in with him.

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So, her children,
when they were young,

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were playing football,
the ball went over the garden,

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and he tried to say
the ball wasn't there,

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but she caught him, stabbing it
and throwing it in the bin.

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And when the neighbour
mentioned that, you know,

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ooh, the press might like to hear
about the local GP

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acting in such a way,
he turned up at her house

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with some brand-new footballs
and football kits.

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So, is it relevant
to the investigation?

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00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Erm... probably not.

461
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,160
Erm, it's interesting,

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00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
it's interesting that he cares
about what people think about him.

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When you look at Thomas Kwan,
he's 53,

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he's got a lovely house and home
and family.

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He would be one of the people

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00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760
that you would least suspect
of being a criminal

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00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,360
because there isn't really
an obvious motivation.

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00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,160
I first had Dr Kwan as my GP

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00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,920
around seven years ago

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when I first moved to Sunderland.

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It was my first choice of practice

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cos it was the closest
to where I live.

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He seemed all right at first.

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His room was definitely more lavish
than other standard GP rooms.

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,080
I mean, the room
that we're in right now

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00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,640
is your normal standard -
table, bed, what have you.

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00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,760
But his was very lavish.

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00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,560
He'd had really big curtains

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00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,120
and a massive, like,
pelmet at top of his window

480
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,400
and the draped curtains.

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00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,520
A huge oak table
instead of your normal table

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00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,720
that doctors would have.

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00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,800
He had ornaments
and things like that,

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00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,840
which kind of also made me think
he likes finer things in life.

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So, he was obviously concerned
about his image.

486
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,320
He was concerned
about his image as a doctor,

487
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,640
but then he was a GP and he was
a well established GP in the area,

488
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,440
so it would be obvious
that he's concerned

489
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,960
about what people think of him.

490
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,120
At first,
my initial appointment was,

491
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,720
he was friendly, he was chatty,
welcomed us to the surgery.

492
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,120
You know,
nothing out of the ordinary.

493
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Had a nice chat with him
about any other health issues I had.

494
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
But that changed
from my second visit

495
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,640
of him not speaking at all.

496
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,560
I say "at all",
probably you'd get a "hello"

497
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,880
or a "how are you?"
when you got into the room.

498
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280
But after that he would just sit
and type on his computer.

499
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,680
He wouldn't look at you
or speak or anything.

500
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,640
And it was very daunting.

501
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,920
And that was obviously a big change
from the first...

502
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
from the first appointment.

503
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,360
That was a huge change.

504
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,320
And it was just a bit,
hm, that's a bit strange, bit odd,

505
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,120
a bit peculiar to experience.

506
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,480
He's a professional.

507
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,680
He has to engage with people

508
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,680
because he has to find out
what's wrong with them.

509
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,560
He has to diagnose them with stuff,

510
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,840
but then he has to do
his work as well.

511
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480
So that just could be
the way he works as a doctor.

512
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Very much Jekyll and Hyde
type of scenario.

513
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,520
And it carried on like that from
every appointment I had with him.

514
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,440
He opened the door for me
and walking past him...

515
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,560
was, I don't want to say
intimidating...

516
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,200
..but there was something

517
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800
that you could just feel
that wasn't right.

518
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
You know when you walk past somebody
and you just go,

519
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,480
"Oh, no, they're not nice."

520
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,120
You just don't feel comfortable
walking past 'em.

521
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680
It was like that.
I just didn't feel right.

522
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,880
And I just thought,
"I've gotta trust my gut.

523
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240
"I need to see somebody else."

524
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,080
I ended up not feeling safe

525
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,960
because I didn't feel like
he was listening to us properly.

526
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,680
And I just didn't
feel right with him.

527
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,040
So, as a forensic psychiatrist,

528
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
I deal with a lot of criminal cases

529
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,560
and what really stands out to me

530
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
and what really makes this case
unique is the offender profile.

531
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080
So, you've got somebody
who's well respected, a doctor,

532
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,440
a GP, that's the first thing.

533
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Secondly, the method that he chose
of poisoning is exceptionally rare.

534
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480
But also the audacity
and the risk-taking that he did,

535
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,960
the boldness of what he did,

536
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
going in disguise to see
his own mother

537
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,280
and his mother's partner.

538
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,720
Thomas Kwan had had breakfast
at the Premier Inn,

539
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,960
he'd sat there for 20 minutes,
he'd enjoyed his breakfast,

540
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
he didn't appear to be stressed,

541
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520
worried about anything
that he was about to do.

542
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,280
And then he put on his disguise
and became Raj Patel.

543
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,760
That, to me, demonstrates
a real lack of empathy about caring,

544
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,960
and about the awful task...

545
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
the awful thing
that he was about to do.

546
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120
He just seemed to be so relaxed
about it.

547
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Externally, he looked calm,

548
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,920
but you never really know what
somebody's feeling internally.

549
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,800
But it does feel like
he's emotionally detached.

550
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,120
It feels like he's committed
to his actions.

551
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160
This doesn't strike me as somebody
who's ambivalent, who's panicking,

552
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040
who's trying to decide whether
he wants to go through this or not.

553
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880
It feels like
he's already made his decision.

554
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,880
After Thomas Kwan injected Patrick

555
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,000
with what he believed
was going to be a lethal poison,

556
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,320
he then gently saunters off

557
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,080
and walks into a Greggs,
where he gets something to eat.

558
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360
Now that's somebody
who's really relaxed

559
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,520
and really at peace with himself.

560
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,920
They'd be emotionally aroused.

561
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640
There's probably a lot of adrenaline
going through their body.

562
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,360
They wouldn't be hungry.

563
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,000
So the very fact
that Kwan could do this after,

564
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,240
from what he thinks he's just killed
his mother's partner,

565
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,880
to me, shows a level of
emotional detachment and calmness.

566
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,320
It seems like he's comfortable
with what he's just done.

567
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240
I think it's fair to say
that most people in this situation

568
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,480
would be, you know, frightened.

569
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Of course, this lack of fear is one
of the key features of psychopathy.

570
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,120
But having said that,

571
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720
I don't think I could definitively
say that Kwan was a psychopath

572
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040
because we don't know enough
about the other core features

573
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,480
like manipulation,
being very, very charming.

574
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000
And also, psychopaths
are like this

575
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,240
in all their actions
throughout all of their lives,

576
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,240
not just on one particular event.

577
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,320
One big question in this case
which everybody has asked is,

578
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,280
how come Patrick O'Hara
or Jenny Leung

579
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,000
didn't recognise
that it was Thomas Kwan?

580
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Jenny didn't recognise
that it was her son.

581
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Patrick O'Hara didn't recognise
that it was his partner's son.

582
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,120
This was somebody they knew.

583
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,640
So, how good
was Thomas Kwan's disguise?

584
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Clearly very good.

585
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Why wouldn't his mother and Patrick
recognise him?

586
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000
But if you think of the context
of the crime,

587
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
and how it was planned
and how it was put together,

588
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,320
you know,
the letters that were sent,

589
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,000
they looked original,
they looked genuine.

590
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,840
If you think of the text
that was sent the night before,

591
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,840
and if you think
of the context at that time,

592
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,200
that people were getting
COVID boosters...

593
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
So why would they think it?
Why would they be suspicious?

594
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,200
The audacity of Kwan's actions.

595
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240
You know,
he put on this disguise,

596
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,720
he put on some make-up
to darken his skin,

597
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,200
to change his identity,

598
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,160
but he went
to his own mother's house

599
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,120
and he interacted
with his mother's partner.

600
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,680
They'd been together for 20 years.

601
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,560
So obviously they were
very familiar.

602
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960
So just the boldness
that it takes

603
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,480
to try and pull something like this,

604
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,680
and the naivety of all.

605
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,440
From my own experiences,
it's really unusual

606
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,920
for people to go to such lengths
to disguise who they are

607
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,840
and to, you know, change their name,
their identity,

608
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,600
not just once, but twice,
to use the identity of Raj Patel,

609
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,760
and then to use the identity
of John Chan.

610
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,800
And coupled with the letters,

611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,880
the false letters
that Thomas Kwan wrote,

612
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440
it's really unusual
to go to that length.

613
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,360
And it wasn't just as if he planned
all this the day before.

614
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Patrick, of course,
is still in the hospital

615
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,960
with a serious health condition,

616
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,080
And medics are battling
to save his arm, save his life.

617
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,720
The problem is they don't know
what they're dealing with.

618
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,360
They don't know what this poison is.

619
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,320
And, of course, the one person
who does know what the poison is

620
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,760
is the person who administered it.

621
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,800
And that is the suspect,
Thomas Kwan.

622
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,520
POLICE OFFICER:
Dr Kwan? Dr Kwan? Hello.

623
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,960
You don't have to say anything
but it may harm your defence

624
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,480
if you don't mention when questioned

625
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,320
something which you later
rely on in court.

626
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920
He was just the average doctor.

627
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,120
You know, I trusted him.
I put my life in his hands.

628
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,080
I don't understand how
he's done something like this.

629
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,280
I received contact
later that same day

630
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,920
to explain that when
they'd searched Thomas Kwan's house,

631
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,720
they had had to stop the search.

632
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,040
After Thomas Kwan's arrest,
and his interview,

633
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,320
although he didn't cooperate
and he didn't answer any questions,

634
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,120
one of the things that
he did say to police officers

635
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,520
was to be careful
about going into the garage.

636
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Specialist search teams
were called into the address

637
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,480
so that they could safely examine
what was in the house.

638
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,760
I don't think police could quite
believe what they found

639
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,360
when they went into the garage.

640
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,240
It was around early evening

641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,400
and I got a call to say, "Terry,
you need to get to Ingleby Barwick,

642
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,280
"there's something happened
in this street."

643
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,280
So, we arrived at the street.

644
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040
It was crazy,
full of emergency services.

645
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,400
I work on my own,
I'm a one-man band, and I get out

646
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,320
and I... I start taking photographs
and filming whatever's happening.

647
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400
So, in this quiet place
of Ingleby Barwick,

648
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,800
residents suddenly see
police officers turning up

649
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,840
in blue, sort of,
chemical protective suits

650
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,120
and going into the house

651
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,640
of a person they think is
a respectable, upstanding citizen.

652
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Everyone was looking out the window.
We'd all taken pictures.

653
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,400
It was exciting,

654
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680
but we were actually getting
more and more scared

655
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,480
the more the night was going on

656
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,360
and more tents were popping up
and things like that.

657
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,640
So, we started knocking on doors,
knocking on neighbours' doors.

658
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Some would speak, some wouldn't,

659
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,120
but none of them knew
what was going on.

660
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,320
Gossip would've been flying around

661
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,800
and, very likely, the police weren't
telling them much at that stage.

662
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Cos in reality, the police

663
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,240
didn't really know
what they were dealing with either.

664
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,480
My initial suspicions
were that it was some type of fire

665
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,200
or there'd been a fire
and I'd missed it,

666
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,800
because the amount of fire engines
and firemen on scene...

667
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,520
The neighbours were concerned.

668
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,520
They were asking us, you know,
try and find out what's happened.

669
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,640
People look out for each other here.

670
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,520
There is a neighbourhood watch,

671
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,280
and obviously all the gardens,
you can see what everybody's doing.

672
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,480
My neighbour rang me and said,

673
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960
"You need to come over here
and see what's going on."

674
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,520
They were putting big lights up,
tents were popping up.

675
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,320
We knew it was a doctor,
we knew something bad had gone on.

676
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,880
We actually thought
he'd been killing people

677
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,720
and there was bodies in the garden,
as the tents were coming up.

678
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,080
They were coming out of the house
with boxes,

679
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,960
and there was just bright lights
flashing everywhere.

680
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,400
When police conducted
the home search,

681
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,040
they would cordon off an area,

682
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,360
and they'll tell people
to either stay in their homes

683
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,440
or get out of their homes,
depending on the severity.

684
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,720
But that would lead to speculation.

685
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,320
That would lead to people
looking out their windows,

686
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,320
that would lead to people
posting things on social media.

687
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,040
So, there is a fine line

688
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,840
between an investigation
and sharing information.

689
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,160
We were looking out
on one of her son's bedrooms.

690
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Then when Terry the snapper
were let in,

691
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,560
he was getting some photographs
from another bedroom view

692
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,800
that other people
couldn't get hold of.

693
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,600
When we're talking about
a search of a premises,

694
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,960
you have to have a strategy.

695
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,240
"Is there anything forensically
within that premises

696
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,480
"that we need to recover?"

697
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,440
"What are we looking for?"

698
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,200
"If we find items, how are
we gonna preserve that evidence?"

699
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,360
And there'd be a digital forensic
strategy as well

700
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,120
with regards to any digital devices
like laptops or iPads.

701
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,800
We'd seen that they
were getting changed into PPE.

702
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Not just normal PPE.

703
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,680
I've arrived at jobs before
and I've seen PPE

704
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,480
and, you know, suits that they have
to wear for different incidents.

705
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,240
This was, like, you know...

706
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,240
They looked as if they were gonna
get ready to go into space.

707
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,640
It was as if there was, like,
some explosive in the house

708
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,280
and they didn't know, or they
weren't aware of what it was,

709
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,160
as to how careful they were going,
you know?

710
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,600
I mean, they're carrying trays
in the house,

711
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,520
and bringing trays out,
things on the trays

712
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,280
and placing them
very carefully and it was...

713
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,240
You know, it's like
nothing I've ever seen.

714
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,360
The officers who attended

715
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,520
found the false number plates
that had been used on the car

716
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,720
to travel to Newcastle.

717
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,280
It was quite clear by that stage

718
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,760
that we could establish that
Thomas Kwan

719
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,720
was the individual who delivered
the injection into Patrick's arm.

720
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,200
The question was, what it was
that had been used in the injection,

721
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,480
but also whether there
was any motive for doing so.

722
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,600
Kwan's house looked ordinary.

723
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,240
It looked spotless. It was clean.

724
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,680
It was just a normal house.

725
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,760
But as they move through the house,

726
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
they found something
far more sinister.

727
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,320
Upon finding what appeared
to be harmful chemicals

728
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,320
and documents relating to poisons,

729
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,000
those officers then had to stop,
leave the address.

730
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,480
Police, they've obviously had
this comment from Kwan

731
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,000
about being careful
about the garage.

732
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,680
and it's clear quite early on

733
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,120
that he has got a big stockpile
of chemicals.

734
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Specialist search teams
then had to be called in

735
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,360
in order to conduct
that search safely,

736
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,880
given the nature of the poisons
that were being recovered.

737
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,720
Patrick laid in intensive care
for five days.

738
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,080
The doctors that were treating him
were racing against time

739
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,120
to try and identify the substance
that had been injected into him.

740
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,040
If the police are thinking about
poison being present in a house,

741
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,520
they'd be careful when they walk in.

742
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
They're gonna take precautions.
Those precautions are standard.

743
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,320
Don't wanna blunder in
and knock things over

744
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,000
and not understand
what's going on in the house.

745
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,600
From a poisoning perspective,
there's another element as well.

746
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,600
You don't want to touch things
which are poisons.

747
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,120
You don't want to knock
bottles over,

748
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,440
you don't want to release gases.

749
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,120
There's lots of things you don't
really want to do around a poison.

750
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,760
Therefore, going in slowly
and carefully, fully protected,

751
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,200
is a very sensible approach.

752
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,680
When they went into the house, they
found a number of different poisons.

753
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,200
And those poisons included
arsenic and thallium,

754
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,680
and sulphuric acid.

755
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Sulphuric acid
is a very strong acid,

756
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,960
which will cause damage
in direct effect.

757
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,400
If you inject it into yourself,

758
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,680
or you spill it on yourself,
or you swallow it,

759
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,840
you really get terrible damage
in the skin

760
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,440
or the lining of your gut as well.

761
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Liquid mercury in itself
is not particularly toxic.

762
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,200
It's quite hard
to get into your body.

763
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,960
The disaster time of mercury

764
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120
is when you get a big dose
into your body through inhaling it.

765
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Cyanide is present
in lots of chemical reactions.

766
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
You find it
in school chemistry departments.

767
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,880
You find it in industry.
It's a mitochondrial poison.

768
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,960
So this is a mitochondria,
the energy parts of your cells.

769
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,840
Our cells work
because this part of the cell

770
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,280
is producing lots of energy.

771
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,400
If the mitochondria stop working,
it's very toxic.

772
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,680
You'd get ill quite quickly.

773
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,680
And they found the components
to make ricin.

774
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,560
We worked with the police
to find an expert

775
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,240
who could comment upon
both Patrick's injuries,

776
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,080
but also the substances
that had been recovered

777
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,800
from Thomas Kwan's address.

778
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,880
And whether any
of those substances

779
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080
were likely to have caused
Patrick's injuries.

780
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,520
The Chief Medical Officer

781
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,960
at the Defence Science
Technology Laboratory

782
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,160
was able to tell us
that ricin was unlikely

783
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,840
to have been the substance
that was injected into Patrick.

784
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,680
Police searched and scoured through
this garage full of chemicals,

785
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,000
and they found iodomethane.

786
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Of all the substances that had been
found in Thomas Kwan's address,

787
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,240
iodomethane was
the most likely candidate

788
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,640
as the substance
that had been used against Patrick.

789
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,720
This was a real breakthrough.
It was a eureka moment.

790
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,240
Tellingly, the police had also
recovered an empty syringe

791
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,400
in a grip-seal plastic food bag

792
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,400
that was labelled with the
chemical formula for iodomethane.

793
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,840
So, putting together this report
and the recovery of that syringe

794
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,080
with that chemical symbol on it

795
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,000
meant that we could safely infer

796
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,480
that the chemical that had been used
against Patrick was iodomethane.

797
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,960
They find a cache of books
and documents about poisons

798
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,960
and chemicals and murder.

799
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,720
They find that he's got a book

800
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,160
from the National Police Centre
For Excellence

801
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,160
on murder investigations.

802
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,600
They look at his computer,

803
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,880
they find a huge number of searches
being carried out

804
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,640
about how to kill people
with poisons.

805
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,760
They find a terrorist handbook.

806
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,600
They find a book which is called
the Mujahideen Poison Handbook,

807
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,160
which is how to kill people
with certain chemicals.

808
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,080
I was impressed about the number
of poisons he had

809
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,280
and the variety and the kind of
potency of the poisons.

810
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,800
These chemicals are not things
you can buy very easily.

811
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,240
In January 2023,
he set up a shell company.

812
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,920
He used the address of his surgery
where he worked legitimately.

813
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,600
And through that shell company,
he was able to buy poisons.

814
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
He purported to be a researcher

815
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,280
and that he needed those poisons
for his research.

816
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,880
In the garage,
the photographs indicate

817
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,320
there was a lot of stuff in there

818
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,000
which must have made it
quite difficult

819
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,880
to go around preparing poisons.

820
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,600
May have been the reason
why he decided

821
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,960
not to go down the ricin route

822
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,320
because you would want to have
a very clean, careful environment

823
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,520
to do work with ricin.

824
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,800
Perhaps with cyanide as well.

825
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Perhaps going for something
like iodomethane or sulfuric acid,

826
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,240
cos it's neat and in a bottle, can
just be drawn out with a syringe.

827
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,840
Iodomethane,
it's a really uncommon poison.

828
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,920
There's not a large amount
of information about it.

829
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,400
We don't have much experience of it.

830
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,160
I can assure you,
if you come to hospital,

831
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,240
nobody's thinking about this
as a potential poison

832
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,520
you might have been exposed to.

833
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,920
So turning up the hospital,
having had this injected into you

834
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,600
is so left field.

835
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Even a toxicologist,
someone like myself

836
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,960
who thinks day in, day out,
of all the poisons out there,

837
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
I'm not gonna be thinking
of this poison.

838
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,840
It was apparent that he'd been doing
some research online.

839
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,440
There was some material
found on computers and telephones

840
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,760
that showed Thomas Kwan had been
conducting extensive research

841
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,240
into how to produce ricin,

842
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,440
how much of it would be used
to kill somebody.

843
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,240
We know he'd been trying
to manufacture ricin.

844
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,040
But of course,
the problem with ricin

845
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,640
is to administer it,
you put yourself at risk as well.

846
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,440
And clearly
he didn't want to do that.

847
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,640
So perhaps iodomethane was
the perfect chemical in his mind,

848
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,160
because he could administer it
without risk to himself,

849
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
and it would make it
extremely difficult

850
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,880
for the medics treating Patrick
to know what they were dealing with.

851
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,240
If you look at the compound,
it's a very simple compound.

852
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,720
It's simply a methane,
which is a single carbon,

853
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,600
three hydrogen ions, and an iodide.

854
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,520
It's about as small a molecule
as you can imagine.

855
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,960
So if I was going to take
a blood sample from a patient

856
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,040
and look for a poison, generally,
we are looking for multiple things.

857
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,440
We're not looking for this at all.

858
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,280
So unless there's a particular
reason to go looking for it,

859
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,920
again, you wouldn't detect it.

860
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,840
So he's come across a poison
which is quite hard to detect.

861
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,360
If it's just in a routine thing -

862
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,600
you're doing a postmortem
or a sample you sent to a lab

863
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,120
saying, "This person's had a poison,
can you find anything?" -

864
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,560
they're probably gonna say
"No, there's nothing in there."

865
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,560
There have been a few cases
in literature.

866
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,320
The majority of the cases
are industrial accidents

867
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,360
when people have either inhaled it

868
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,200
because it's been released
in the factory,

869
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,120
or their PPE, their overalls
have leaked,

870
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,320
and actually there's been exposure
through the skin,

871
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,880
they've absorbed it through
the skin, and become quite unwell.

872
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,880
The likelihood is
that he chose iodomethane

873
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,240
because it was such
an unusual chemical to use.

874
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,280
It's something that medics have got
no experience of treating, really.

875
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,080
So, by using that chemical,
he made the likelihood

876
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,680
that he would succeed in his plan
to kill Patrick even more likely.

877
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:06,360
The chain of events started by
Thomas Kwan would've led to death.

878
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,400
Patrick may not have survived this

879
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,760
if the surgeons hadn't made
the right decisions, which they did.

880
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,480
They took them to theatre.

881
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,880
They would've been
cutting away tissue

882
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,880
until the point
that it would be bleeding.

883
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Cos bleeding tissue
is healthy tissue.

884
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,120
The problem is, there's a balance

885
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,680
between cutting away enough
to clear all the infection -

886
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,960
which they did, and they had to do -

887
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,640
versus cutting away
a little bit too much,

888
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,680
which will leave an even greater
level of disability later.

889
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,840
How dangerous is this poison?

890
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,440
Not many humans
have been exposed to it,

891
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,720
so we don't really have
very good information.

892
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,440
But Patrick did badly because
he got necrotising fasciitis,

893
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,960
which is a complication
of how it was given to him

894
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,520
rather than
the actual poison itself.

895
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,880
Even with all
of the expertise being applied,

896
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Patrick still could have died.

897
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,280
Thankfully, Patrick survived.

898
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,640
Policewoman came into the streets
knocking on everyone's doors,

899
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,440
telling us not to leave the house,

900
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,520
to keep the doors shut,
and all the windows shut.

901
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Cos obviously he had,

902
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:20,080
supposed to have had
a very dangerous ricin poison

903
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,480
in the garage.

904
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,680
So we were all
quite upset, actually,

905
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,920
because we felt that
he'd put us into danger.

906
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,040
One of the aspects of this case

907
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,560
is the danger that he caused
to himself, but also to others.

908
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,840
He was concocting all sorts of
poisons and lotions in his own home,

909
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,400
in the garage.

910
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,320
He's a father. He's got a wife.

911
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,440
Any one of them could have gone
into that garage unsuspectingly

912
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,080
and touched a poison

913
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,840
or hurt themselves
or others through that.

914
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,720
My husband was working away
at the time,

915
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,200
and the next day, he rang me
and asked why our house was on news.

916
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,160
The news of his arrest
was everywhere. It was huge.

917
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,760
I think a lot of people were just
shocked, cos they seen him a lot,

918
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,360
they had a lot of patients
at that surgery.

919
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,960
Then when it come out
about attempted murder,

920
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
that's when it really kicked off
in the town.

921
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,560
When I'd found out that this guy
tried to kill his mother's partner

922
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,000
and, you know, inject him
with something to kill him,

923
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,840
you don't think about
a doctor doing something like that.

924
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,800
You know, they're supposed to be
trusted professionals.

925
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,880
So it's, erm...
It was quite shocking.

926
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,640
This was a GP
who'd disguised himself

927
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,560
to give a fake COVID jab
to somebody he knew,

928
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,920
somebody who was
his mother's partner,

929
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,440
knowing that it wasn't a COVID jab,
it was poison.

930
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,120
GPs are incredibly trusted people.

931
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,560
You trust your life with 'em.

932
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,040
It would've been really difficult
for his patients to realise

933
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,960
that they were being treated
by a man who was willing to murder.

934
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,640
As investigators,
we follow the evidence.

935
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Is this a targeted attack
on an individual?

936
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,560
And if it is a targeted attack
on an individual, why?

937
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,720
What is the motive?

938
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,320
Patrick O'Hara was a 71-year-old guy
who's leading a normal life.

939
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,240
Why would he be targeted
in such a way?

940
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Because the perpetrator of the crime

941
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,360
left so many bits of evidence
for the investigators to follow,

942
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,200
I would imagine fairly quickly
they put the story together.

943
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,320
The police were able
to gather evidence

944
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,400
that showed there'd been
a long-running dispute

945
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,760
between Thomas Kwan
and his mother, Jenny.

946
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,920
It dates back almost 30 years,
when his parents got divorced,

947
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,720
and he had accused his mother

948
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,280
of withdrawing a million pounds
from his father's bank account

949
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,440
and then divorcing him.

950
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,720
And there was clearly a belief

951
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,520
that he had not got
what he was entitled to.

952
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,240
And I think that was
at the heart of the issue

953
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,240
that he had with his mother
over money.

954
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,280
The relationship between Kwan
and his mother,

955
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,560
to me, it seems very conditional,
very transactional.

956
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,040
He felt slighted by his mother.

957
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,960
And money was one thing
that he could argue about.

958
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,360
He, himself, was wealthy.

959
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,080
He was trying to buy a house
for two million pounds.

960
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,000
Cos let's not forget,
this is a man in his 50s.

961
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,520
He's an established doctor.

962
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560
But he seems to
still view his mother

963
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,240
as a potential source of income.

964
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,720
In Chinese culture,
the eldest son inherits the estate.

965
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,960
Kwan was clearly furious

966
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,320
when his younger brother inherited
his father's estate.

967
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,800
Thomas' mother had put in her will

968
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,920
the fact that Patrick could
live in the house after she died,

969
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,320
and therefore, he had some kind
of ownership of that house.

970
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,080
He saw Patrick as the villain.

971
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,800
He was entitled to inherit
his mother's estate.

972
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,880
This perceived injustice
festered for years

973
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,280
and led to Kwan
writing to his mother,

974
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,960
insisting that she make him executor
of her estate.

975
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,280
His mother's property in Newcastle

976
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,280
was worth a little bit more
than £200,000.

977
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,360
It wasn't life-changing sums.

978
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,680
And I think it was more about
his belief

979
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:32,680
that he had a right
to the inheritance,

980
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,200
rather than the amount itself.

981
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,760
He felt slighted in the fact

982
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,680
that Patrick had got access
to the will,

983
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:45,360
and that also that the siblings
would probably get an equal share.

984
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,760
So I think Kwan thought that
he was entitled to something

985
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,920
as the eldest son, from the estate,

986
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,880
and there is a sense that he
wasn't getting what he deserved.

987
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,800
In one letter
he wrote to his mother, he'd said,

988
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,680
"I should get the majority
of your will."

989
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,360
Erm, "I'm the one
that you love most."

990
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,160
In November 2022,
things reached a boiling point

991
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,280
and Kwan went to his mother's house
in Newcastle,

992
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,520
forced his way in,

993
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,400
began shouting
and becoming aggressive

994
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,360
and demanding answers.

995
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,000
It got so heated that Patrick
and Jenny did call the police,

996
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,480
who arrived and asked whether
they wanted to press charges.

997
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Jenny decided that she didn't

998
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,360
because she was worried
about her son's career.

999
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,200
I think this shows that,
in certain circumstances,

1000
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,840
if his buttons are pushed,

1001
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,600
Kwan is somebody who can be
quite explosive, quite volatile.

1002
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,240
And according to him, there's a bit
of bitterness and resentment

1003
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,560
because she hadn't showed him
enough love growing up.

1004
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,840
It's hard to know
where the truth actually lies.

1005
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,480
It clearly established a motive
for Thomas Kwan.

1006
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,160
And this was useful for us
as a prosecution team

1007
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,280
because it set out why
he would seek to kill Patrick.

1008
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,800
I do think that the main motivation
behind Kwan's actions

1009
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,000
are simply greed.

1010
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,440
He wanted more money,
even though he was quite wealthy.

1011
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,840
And this sense of entitlement.
He deserved this money.

1012
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,080
But I also think, to a degree,
there was an element

1013
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,680
of him wanting to seek some sort of
retribution or revenge

1014
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:20,720
to his mother

1015
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,160
because there had been some
recent bad blood between them,

1016
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,760
they had fallen out.

1017
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,400
And it feels like he's
doing something personal to her

1018
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,920
by attacking her partner.

1019
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,840
The amount of planning
that Thomas Kwan did

1020
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,920
dated back a long, long time.

1021
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,440
In 2020, he gave his mum a laptop.

1022
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,960
It was installed with spyware so
that he could actually watch them.

1023
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,120
It was like a covert camera
in their home,

1024
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,560
and he could also monitor
their emails

1025
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,600
and their financial transactions.

1026
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,800
And then you go to November 2023,

1027
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,760
which is when he first sent
the very first NHS letter

1028
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,840
asking, or suggesting,
a COVID injection.

1029
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,520
Then in December 2023,
he cleared his diary for January.

1030
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,240
DR DAS: And in January 2024,

1031
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,080
Kwan started researching poisons
like ricin.

1032
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,400
So, it really feels like he was...
His plan was crystallising.

1033
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,960
We know that before he went
to Patrick's home

1034
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
to carry out the attempted murder,

1035
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,440
he carried out
a reconnaissance mission.

1036
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,920
So, he and his wife,
and his young son,

1037
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,400
checked into the Premier hotel
in Newcastle.

1038
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,680
He no doubt gave his family
some excuses

1039
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,320
as to why they were gonna spend
the night in Newcastle.

1040
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,120
But he could check out his route.

1041
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,280
And then, the day before
he injected Patrick,

1042
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,560
he sent a text reminder

1043
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,400
posing as Raj Patel,
the community nurse.

1044
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,840
And to do that,
he ordered an anonymous sim,

1045
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,960
because, obviously, had he sent
a text message from his own phone,

1046
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,840
Patrick would've immediately
realised what was going on.

1047
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,480
During the police investigation,

1048
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Northumbria Police did actually
uncover two other methods

1049
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,600
that Thomas Kwan
must have considered

1050
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,560
in administrating this poison
to Patrick.

1051
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,000
They found letters.

1052
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,200
One letter was supposed to be
from a gentlemen's wine club,

1053
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,920
and another letter was to provide
free meals and free drinks

1054
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,200
to Patrick.

1055
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,400
Obviously, Thomas Kwan
was actually considering

1056
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,680
whether or not to lace the wine
or lace the food

1057
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:33,960
that he was going to provide
to Patrick.

1058
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,080
If he sent wine
or he sent food that was laced,

1059
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,960
Patrick may not have eaten it.

1060
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,520
Jenny could have eaten it,
or they could've given it away.

1061
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,360
You know, there's no guarantee
that Patrick's going to eat it.

1062
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,280
And if he is going to eat it,
when is he going to eat it?

1063
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,520
Because Thomas Kwan
wanted the money straightaway.

1064
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:53,840
He never sent those letters,

1065
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,160
so he obviously decided that, under
the guise of the COVID injection,

1066
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,240
he could probably do a better,
more lethal job.

1067
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,480
As a forensic psychiatrist,
part of my role as an expert witness

1068
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,680
is to give evidence

1069
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,120
to decide if a defendant
is in control of their actions.

1070
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,960
If they have criminal culpability.

1071
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,320
For example,
if it's related to mental illness.

1072
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,040
And looking at this case,
I can say unequivocally

1073
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Thomas Kwan was definitely
in control of his actions,

1074
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,640
and I think his pre-planning,

1075
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,480
and putting in all this time and
effort, proves that beyond doubt.

1076
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,040
You have kind of a juxtaposition
between him committing a crime

1077
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,760
but not being a criminal.

1078
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,120
And so, whilst the planning
was detailed and extensive,

1079
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,200
it was also a little bit amateurish
in terms of criminality.

1080
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,720
A little naive in relation to sort
of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs

1081
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,800
for the police to follow in the end,
which he did.

1082
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,800
When Thomas Kwan was spoken to,

1083
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,800
there was a real lack
of remorse shown throughout.

1084
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,720
After he gave Patrick the injection,
he quite casually went to Greggs.

1085
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,080
He casually drove home.

1086
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,760
He's never apologised,

1087
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,120
never shown any sign of weakness
or regret at what he's done.

1088
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,560
You know, even after arrest
and being remanded in prison

1089
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,320
and facing a trial
for attempted murder,

1090
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,680
he wrote to his wife
and mentioned the fact

1091
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,120
that Patrick may seek compensation
for his injuries.

1092
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,880
And the tone of that letter
and the contents of that letter

1093
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,480
was quite arrogant

1094
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,000
with regards to, you know,
"one old man's compensation

1095
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,440
"for ruining three people's lives",
along those lines.

1096
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,000
From that letter,

1097
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,480
he seems to be portraying himself
as the victim,

1098
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:46,760
himself and his family, as being
the victims of this old man,

1099
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,240
who is Patrick,
rather than the other way round.

1100
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,080
Patrick nearly died.

1101
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,920
The lack of remorse,
the lack of acknowledgement

1102
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,880
about the level and the gravity
of what he'd done,

1103
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,520
it is unusual with regards to...

1104
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,200
You know, we have to bear in mind
that he was a doctor,

1105
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,480
and he wasn't a seasoned criminal.

1106
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Having that level of
arrogance and entitlement,

1107
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,640
I would say, in his circumstances,
very unusual.

1108
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,080
He denied the charges
of attempted murder,

1109
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,720
and kept on denying them
until the court case,

1110
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,560
and the trial opened.

1111
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,520
Kwan went to trial
at Newcastle Crown Court

1112
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,120
in October 2024,

1113
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,600
where Kwan denied the charges
of attempted murder.

1114
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,440
The barristers were present
at court,

1115
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,800
witnesses had been arranged
to attend,

1116
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,720
and the trial began.

1117
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,320
Thomas Kwan was in the dock,
and the prosecution barrister

1118
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,160
delivered his opening speech
to the jury,

1119
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,560
describing to them the evidence
they were likely to hear,

1120
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,880
and what the prosecution's case was
about what had happened to Patrick.

1121
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,280
From the outset,
Kwan had denied the charges.

1122
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,440
When he was first arrested,
his legal team

1123
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,520
said he would vehemently contest
the charges

1124
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,800
and deny attempted murder.

1125
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,000
There was a lot of evidence
against Kwan.

1126
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,760
There was the CCTV showing him
leaving the scene of the crime.

1127
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,520
There was all the material
found at his home.

1128
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,480
There was the copies of the letters
that he'd sent to Patrick.

1129
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,880
There was the books about poison.
There were the chemicals.

1130
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,520
So the weight of evidence
against him was extremely strong.

1131
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,680
I think sometimes when defendants
get into court

1132
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,040
and the reality of a trial
hits them,

1133
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,840
er, they can sometimes
have a change of heart.

1134
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,000
We didn't get very far
into the trial

1135
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,840
when Thomas Kwan indicated
that he wished to change his plea,

1136
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,920
and on the seventh of October,

1137
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,080
he asked to have
the indictment put to him again,

1138
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,400
and he entered a guilty plea
to the charge of attempted murder.

1139
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,960
At that point,
the prosecution's role changes,

1140
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,400
and our job is then
to present the case to the judge

1141
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,480
so that they can make
a determination

1142
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,840
as to what
the appropriate sentence was.

1143
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,360
The prosecution was clear

1144
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,360
that what had driven this crime
was greed,

1145
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,480
and greed for the sake of greed.

1146
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,960
An extraordinarily audacious crime.

1147
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,160
We needed to make clear to the judge
the level of planning in this case,

1148
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,320
the number of steps
that Thomas Kwan had taken

1149
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,280
to disguise what had happened.

1150
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,800
It was also important
to highlight to the judge

1151
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,160
that this was an attempt to
murder Patrick for financial gain.

1152
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:05,320
Thomas Kwan's ultimate aim was
to remove Patrick as an obstacle

1153
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,400
to his perceived right
to his inheritance from his mother,

1154
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,400
and the law recognises that
murdering someone for financial gain

1155
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,880
is a particularly serious offense.

1156
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,640
Another important factor
was the location of the offense.

1157
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,120
The offense was committed
in Patrick's own home,

1158
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,680
and we should all have the right
to feel safe in our own home.

1159
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,400
Patrick was in court
surrounded by family members.

1160
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,240
The impact on him was extraordinary.

1161
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,800
So, not only the physical scars,
which were really quite bad...

1162
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,280
I mean,
he had part of his arm removed.

1163
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,600
He lived with the scars and the pain
for the rest of his life.

1164
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,800
But also the emotional scars.

1165
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,920
Hearing Patrick's
victim impact statement in court

1166
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,480
was incredibly moving
for everybody in court, I think.

1167
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,520
He talked about how his life
would never be the same again.

1168
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,320
He talked about
the psychological damage

1169
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,680
which had been caused to him.

1170
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,400
And everybody just listened.

1171
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,520
He described himself as being like
a shell of his former self.

1172
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,760
His confidence has gone.

1173
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,480
His relationship with Jenny
sadly broke up.

1174
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,520
It's hard to overstate the impact

1175
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,440
that this attempted murder
had on him,

1176
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,320
and will have
for the rest of his life.

1177
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,320
During the sentencing,
Kwan was very calm.

1178
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,880
In fact, he was calm throughout
the whole court proceedings.

1179
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,280
The judge jailed him
for 31 years and five months

1180
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,960
and told him, "You won't be out
of jail until you're in your 70s."

1181
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,440
The judge reflected in her comments
that Thomas Kwan,

1182
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,760
it wasn't just about
the money for him,

1183
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,160
it was about the money
to which he felt entitled,

1184
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,960
and that he was prepared to kill
to get that money.

1185
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,440
We were waiting on the afternoon
for his sentencing.

1186
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,960
I wouldn't think
I'd have a neighbour

1187
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,000
that was capable of planning murder
on somebody,

1188
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,360
especially a doctor.

1189
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,880
He did all of this stuff, you know,
to harm his mother's partner,

1190
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,280
and it just doesn't make sense.

1191
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,200
We're quite shocked he got 31 years,

1192
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,440
but then,
when you think he was a doctor,

1193
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:33,600
and the long planning
that he's done, for murder,

1194
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,760
that's why he got so long.

1195
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,040
The outcome of this case was the
culmination of months of hard work

1196
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,360
between the
Crown Prosecution Service

1197
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,880
and Northumbria Police.

1198
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,200
And I'm pleased that we were able
to deliver justice for Patrick.

1199
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Obviously, this year
has been horrendous

1200
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,960
and I would hope it would
never happen to anybody else.

1201
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,280
And at the moment,
I'm still recovering,

1202
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,560
especially from the post trauma -
that was really bad -

1203
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:07,800
and er... I'm just, er, seeing
a psychologist and everything else

1204
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,120
to try to get through
all this trauma.

1205
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,480
In 31 years, he might be really old,

1206
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,600
but still get out and have a little
bit of a life left, if he's lucky.

1207
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,920
Thomas Kwan was a medical doctor,
people trusted him,

1208
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,080
and he has abused that trust

1209
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,000
and undermined the trust
that we all have

1210
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,480
in our doctors, nurses,
medical staff.

1211
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,440
And the fact that
he used the identity

1212
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,800
of Raj Patel, a community nurse,

1213
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,600
chipped away at that trust
and confidence.

1214
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,000
And I do feel that that has had
a part to play in his sentencing

1215
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,760
because he used his medical prowess,
his knowledge,

1216
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,640
he used all of the information
that he had to hand

1217
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,000
to commit his crimes.

1218
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,840
So his background and his knowledge

1219
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,200
were part and parcel of the way
that he was able to plan,

1220
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,360
and the way that he was able
to actually commit this crime.

1221
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,440
I've covered many, many big stories,
nationally and locally.

1222
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Dr Kwan is gonna be one of them
that I'll never forget.

1223
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,920
You know,
the lengths that he went to

1224
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,160
to try and get away with what he did
is unimaginable.

1225
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,880
So, following the sentencing,
his wife spoke to the media,

1226
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,400
and she gave what was quite
an extraordinary statement, really.

1227
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,520
"I can't find a man
to compare to Tom.

1228
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,520
"In his heart,
he is very, very good.

1229
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,440
"I don't blame him,
I love him, trust him,

1230
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,760
"and will be here for him
until the end.

1231
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,840
"I'm going to be buried
alongside him.

1232
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,760
"Our son goes with me
to prison to see Tom.

1233
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,840
"I tell him everything and I hope
he will understand his dad."

1234
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:01,360
She said, "He felt very lonely
and helpless all his life.

1235
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,600
"He was looking for his
mother's love and never found it.

1236
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,120
"He always believed that she loved
others more than her own child."

1237
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,200
I'm not sure
she necessarily believes

1238
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:19,120
that he's innocent
of what he ultimately admitted to,

1239
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,240
but I think she thinks,
like he does,

1240
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,560
that this was his mother's fault.

1241
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,960
She vows to stand by him.
Only time will tell if she does.

1242
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,080
A question that I ask myself is,
had Kwan not been caught,

1243
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,520
could he have gone on
to kill somebody else?

1244
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,280
I don't think he's capable
of extreme violence,

1245
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,080
so I don't think
he's physically dangerous,

1246
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,440
but absolutely, I think he lacks
the moral boundaries, the empathy,

1247
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,680
which would allow him to do
something clandestine and secret

1248
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,400
like poisoning.

1249
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,880
How could someone who had
gone through medical school,

1250
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,280
who'd spent all that time
working as a GP,

1251
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,880
flip, and go from being
one of the guys helping people

1252
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,440
to someone trying to harm someone?

1253
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,760
There's no case in my career in
the CPS that's comparable to this.

1254
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,600
The lengths Thomas Kwan went to
to commit this offence

1255
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,320
and to try and hide his offending
were unparalleled.

1256
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,880
Donning a disguise
such that he fooled his own mother

1257
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,400
as to who it was
who was in her address,

1258
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:25,040
is something I've not seen before,

1259
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,160
and I very much doubt
I'll see it again.