1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,360 Do you want to show where we are right now? Cos I think 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,200 we're quite deep inside what are called the Palestinian territories. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,120 What you call the Palestinian territories. 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:14,080 I call it the heart of Judea. If you say the Palestinian territories, 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,440 you're essentially already saying that this right here, 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,560 right here is going to be 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 a jihadist Palestinian state 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,520 right in the heart of Israel. Not only in the heart of Israel, 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,840 we're talking about, like, the biblical... But why Jihadist? 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Why do you say Jihadist? 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Why couldn't it just be a Palestinian state? 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,520 OK, to understand the Arab way of thinking 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,960 that they understand, there's a war. 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 They win the war if they get territory. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,720 They lose the war if they lose territory. You could flip that 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,360 and say, "Well, that's what, in a sense, you're doing." 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,680 That's what I aspire to do. That's what I aspire to do. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,160 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,320 and language which some may find offensive 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Beyond the eastern edge of Israel 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,240 is the Palestinian territory of the West Bank. 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,800 It was occupied in war by Israel in 1967. 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers have moved here, 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,200 illegally, under international law. 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Among them, a group of religious nationalists 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,760 who see it as their divine right to build a greater Israel... 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,960 ..and drive out the Palestinians who've been here for generations. 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,520 I made a film about them in 2011. 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,440 But now, since the attack of October 7th, I'd heard 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,400 that they were accelerating the settlement process... 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,120 Why you filming me? 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,160 ..while being protected by the Israeli military. 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 I'd come to try to understand their mindset 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,480 and to see the consequences of their ultra-nationalist vision up close. 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,200 They don't see us as equal human being 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,000 who deserve the same rights they do. 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,560 I was close to Israel's southern border. 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,720 At a viewpoint, tourists were surveying the ruins of Gaza. 39 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:34,440 The Palestinian death toll at this point was more than 43,000 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,720 and rising, 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,000 in a war that had commenced a year earlier, 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,720 after Hamas gunmen attacked Israeli communities, 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,000 killing more than 1,000 and taking hundreds more hostage. 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,240 UPBEAT MUSIC 45 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Now, with bombs falling nearby, 46 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,840 settlers from across the West Bank were holding a jamboree 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,960 to promote the idea of putting new Jewish outposts in Gaza, 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,840 with workshops offering practical advice, 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,360 while a vanguard made their case in front of the world's media. 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,440 How are you doing? Louis. Nice to meet you. What's your name? Orit. 51 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Orit. And why are you here today? To show support 52 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,240 and that I believe that Gaza's ours and that we need to be living there. 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,080 To those Palestinians who'd say, "Well, we'd like to live 54 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,920 "in a Palestinian state," what do you say? 55 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:38,560 The Bible says this place was given to the Jews. This place is ours. 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Ours meaning? It's a Jewish state. 57 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,200 What's your name? Aaron. Aaron. Nice to meet you. Louis. 58 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Where are you from? I'm from Hebron. And before that? 59 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Until I was nine years old, lived in New York 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,920 and then my parents made Aliyah to Israel. 61 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,200 We're here to call our government to go and settle Gaza. 62 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,960 We're here because we have a right to be here. 63 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,480 Our right to be in this land is the Torah, is the godly promise. 64 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,640 Where we don't settle, terror grows. 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Among the attendees were many senior political figures, 66 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 including Israel's Minister of National Security. 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,480 APPLAUSE 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,400 CHEERING 69 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,960 CHANTING 70 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,040 In his youth, Itamar Ben-Gvir 71 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,280 had been convicted of incitement of racism. 72 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:47,360 He is himself a settler. 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 But in a sign of the changing times, 74 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,840 he now sits in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 75 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Presiding over the event was the godmother of the settler movement, 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,040 Daniella Weiss. 77 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Daniella, this is your event, isn't it? 78 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Tell me about what this is. No, no, no, not now, not now, not now. 79 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Ten words. No, no, no. Not... 80 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Not now, not now... 81 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,120 SHE CHUCKLES 82 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,240 We, the settlement movement, 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,520 organised this event 84 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 in order to enhance 85 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,680 the practical idea 86 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,080 of establishing 87 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Jewish settlements in the entire Gaza Strip. 88 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:39,320 We very much encourage and enable 89 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 the population in Gaza 90 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,880 to go to other countries. 91 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,000 You will witness how Jews go to Gaza 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,920 and Arabs disappear from Gaza. 93 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,560 They lost the right to stay in this holy place, 94 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,400 please God. Thank you very much. 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,880 APPLAUSE 96 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,680 CHANTING AND WHISTLING 97 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,920 From up on a nearby hill, there came the sound of protesting. 98 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 An Israeli group demonstrating for a ceasefire 99 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,360 and the return of hostages taken by Hamas. 100 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,600 What are you doing here? 101 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,080 I think the idea of resettling Gaza is absolutely ridiculous. 102 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,520 The question is what kind of country do we want to be? 103 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,680 Do we want to be a colonising country, 104 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,760 or do we want to be a country that at least offers peace 105 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,080 and wants to live in peace with the Palestinians? 106 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,440 That has to be what we strive for. 107 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,720 I'd been hoping for a moment with Daniella, 108 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,440 but then came a warning of a possible rocket attack 109 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 and the event was quickly evacuated. 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Let's grab the cameras and let's go. 111 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,840 For Jewish settlers, Gaza is the latest frontier 112 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,560 in a process that's been unfolding for decades across the West Bank. 113 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,120 A region of not much more than 5,000 square kilometres, 114 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,160 the West Bank is home to around three million Palestinians, 115 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,560 most of them living in large cities 116 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,560 with limited autonomy under the Palestinian Authority. 117 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,320 The Israeli military occupied the area in the Six-Day War in 1967. 118 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Israelis 119 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,240 have moved in to form settlements... 120 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 ..hoping to expand Jewish presence in the region, 121 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,280 or simply looking for cheap housing. 122 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,480 Often, they start out as a few tents or caravans, 123 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,880 pitched by ultra ideological settlers on hilltops 124 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,080 next to Palestinian towns. 125 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,040 These are known as outposts. 126 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,480 They are illegal under Israeli law 127 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,720 until they are authorised as settlements. 128 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,520 But both settlements and outposts are illegal under international law. 129 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,280 The army, nevertheless, protects them. 130 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Hello. How are you? 131 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Everything's great. Where are you from? London, England. Oh, nice. 132 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Where are you from? Russia. Russia! 133 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Most settlements tend to be suspicious of media. 134 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,760 But I'd managed to get an appointment at one, called Evyatar. 135 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,520 It had started out as on outpost 136 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,000 on the edge of the Palestinian town of Beita. 137 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,240 It was only recognised as a settlement by the Israeli state 138 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,000 a few months earlier. 139 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Hi, there. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? 140 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,640 I'm fine. How are you doing? You must be Malkiel. Yes, I am. 141 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,680 I'm Louis. How do you do? I'm fine, thank you. 142 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,600 Thank you for having us. Thank you for coming. 143 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,000 One of its founders is horse-wrangler Malkiel Bar Hai. 144 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,360 All right, so let me show you a bit about Evyatar. 145 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,960 Um, I'm just going to have to ask you not to take any films 146 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,400 of the army base. That's where they're sitting. 147 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,000 So there's an army base there? This is an army base. 148 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,560 That's where the dormitories are. 149 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,600 Really? And this is a house, there's people living here. 150 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,800 The army base is for your security? For all the region's security. 151 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,680 Uh, the story about Evyatar, this was a hilltop. 152 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:37,760 We started from day one living in tents, 153 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,200 and by the end of the month, 154 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,800 we were 50 families living here in these houses. 155 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,440 All of these houses were built back then. 156 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Coming from where? All over the country. 157 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Shall we go inside? All right. 158 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,560 It is a little untidy. 159 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,680 This is where you're living at the moment? Yes. 160 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,320 This is our humble home. 161 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,720 This is our living room, our kitchen. 162 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,840 Um... How many children do you have? 163 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Eight. Four boys and four girls. 164 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Wow. Behind here we have another kids' room. 165 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,720 This is the girls' bedroom. 166 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Two older girls, 13 and 11. They sleep here. 167 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,920 And over there, this is the laundry, bathroom and a shower. 168 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,560 So where do you stay? Mum and Dad. 169 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:30,920 This is me and my wife. You and your wife are in there. 170 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,640 If it rains? Yeah, if it does rain, so we go into the small caravan. 171 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Hopefully we'll finish building the house before winter's here. 172 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Do you enjoy being out on the frontier 173 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,200 where it's a bit more rough and ready? 174 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Where there's more uncertainty? 175 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Our mission is to settle Israel, 176 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,520 new settlements all over the country. 177 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,680 So most of the world sees this as the West Bank, 178 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:02,440 as occupied territory. It's under a military occupation. 179 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,200 Correct? Like, it's not part of the state of Israel, 180 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,440 as most nations recognise it. 181 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,040 The ancient name of this area is called Judea. 182 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,600 The meaning of Judea is it belongs to the Jews. 183 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Mm-hm. So you can't take all the history, 184 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,840 put it in the garbage and say, "OK, it's not belong to the Jews." 185 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,680 The history said it belonged to the... To Israel. 186 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960 With a selective reading of history that ignores the Palestinians 187 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800 who have lived on the land for generations, 188 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,880 the aim for settlements like Evyatar is to become full-fledged towns, 189 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,720 guarded round the clock by soldiers, 190 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,280 walled off from the millions around them. 191 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,200 The godmother of the settler project, 192 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,840 going back more than 50 years, 193 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,000 is the woman I'd seen at the Gaza border event, Daniella Weiss. 194 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,240 I want to see big cities here, 195 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,480 like a city of two million people. 196 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,280 So, it's not a settlement. A settlement is caravans, 197 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,240 it's trailers, it's a home here and a home there. 198 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,600 This is not what my dream is about. 199 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,200 The trailers in that video of Daniella 200 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,000 have now grown into the settlement of Kedumim, where she still lives. 201 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,480 Hi. 202 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,920 UNTRANSLATED RESPONSE 203 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Supported by some in the Israeli government, 204 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Daniella's viewed by others in power as a dangerous extremist. 205 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,200 She'd agreed to talk to me at home. 206 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,320 Shalom, shalom. Nice to see you. 207 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,280 So we've got pictures of you as a young woman. 208 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,080 Is the one of you getting married, is that the oldest one? 209 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,760 This is when we got together. 210 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,080 I was then 15 or something. 211 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Your parents were from...? 212 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 My mother was born in Warsaw. 213 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,600 My parents came here and invested fortunes, 214 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,600 believing that some day there will be a Jewish state. Mm-hm. 215 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,320 With their vision and their faith, 216 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,400 I continue to expand the Israel 217 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,880 and to be as close as possible to the Promised Land. 218 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,040 This is your map. 219 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,000 So this is what most of the world knows as the West Bank, 220 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,920 which you call Judea and Samaria. 221 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,280 This is what you call occupied West Bank. 222 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,000 And what the Palestinians would like to see 223 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,400 is a future state of their own. 224 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,480 No, they are not satisfied with this. But complicated issue. 225 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,000 These little pink wedges, what do they represent? 226 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,440 The Jewish communities 227 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,840 that were established since 1967. 228 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,360 I'm curious to know roughly how many settlements and outposts 229 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,960 you've been, let's say, in some way involved in the establishment of? 230 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Almost every one. 231 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,320 For real? It's 50 years. Mm-hm. 232 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,600 You know what it means? 50 years that I do what I do today. 233 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Because it's territory that was won in the '67 war, 234 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,000 under the Geneva Convention, transferring a civilian population 235 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,600 into a conquered terrain, that's considered a war crime. 236 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,200 What I do here is a war crime? 237 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,000 According to the UN. And you're cooperating 238 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 with the person who committed war crimes? 239 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Well, I'm interviewing you. 240 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,680 SHE LAUGHS 241 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,840 It's a light felony. 242 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 I'd read a couple of things suggesting that you were viewed 243 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,080 as an extremist and possibly sympathising with Jewish 244 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:02,760 or Israeli terror. The confrontation is not over terror. 245 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,560 The confrontation is just on whether, yes or no... 246 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 ..we stay here. There's a quote. 247 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,280 "So alarming is the situation." 248 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,680 It's talking about the situation of settlers 249 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,960 and what they describe as settler extremism and violence. 250 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,080 "Last week Ronen Bar, the head of Israel's security service, 251 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,840 "wrote to Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, 252 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,560 "and the Defence Minister warning that what he called Jewish terror 253 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,360 "by violent settlers was doing indescribable damage to Israel." 254 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,400 The reason Ronen Bar says that I'm extremist 255 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 has nothing to do with terror. 256 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Whatever I represent 257 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,840 threatens his peaceful, 258 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,600 secular life. 259 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,200 I have nothing to do with terror. 260 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,960 He knows I have nothing to do with terror, 261 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,000 and he insists on saying it. 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,560 It's a lie. 263 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 And he knows that it's a lie. 264 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,160 Does that really explain... He doesn't like me! Mm-hm. 265 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Because I have a lot of influence. Much more than he has. 266 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Influence over who? 267 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,000 The young generation that is growing in Israel. 268 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,520 And government, too? And government what? 269 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Do you have influence over government? No question. 270 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Who did all this? 271 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Can you call Netanyahu? 272 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,120 SHE CHUCKLES 273 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,160 What do you mean? Like this? 274 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,520 Mm-hm. No, I call his aides. 275 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,680 So the idea is to force the government 276 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,680 by putting people, it starts with small settlements, 277 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,480 then they get bigger, then they get recognised by the state of Israel 278 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,840 and basically creating a new demographic reality. 279 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,600 We do not force a government. 280 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,880 We do for governments what they cannot do for themselves. 281 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,560 Um, even if you take Netanyahu now, 282 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,120 he is very happy with what we do here and also about our plans 283 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,000 to build Jewish communities in Gaza. 284 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,200 He is happy about it, but he cannot say it. 285 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 He says the opposite. 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,120 "It's not realistic." 287 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,000 Good! 288 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,280 We will make it realistic. 289 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,560 It's not forcing the government. 290 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,240 It's helping the government. 291 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,800 It's step number one in politics. 292 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,760 You don't force the government. 293 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,480 You give the government the courage, the ability, the public support, 294 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,120 the political support. 295 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,560 I think you understand what I said, even if you disagree. 296 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,160 There was something unsettling 297 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,960 about hearing Daniella's ethno-nationalist vision 298 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,360 being laid out so plainly, especially when I considered 299 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,720 the support she claimed to have from some in power. 300 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,680 With their backing, 301 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,920 the settlement project has accelerated, 302 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,240 with many of those going to live in West Bank settlements 303 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,280 coming from other countries. 304 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,680 Anyone from anywhere in the world with Jewish heritage, 305 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,040 since they qualify for Israeli citizenship, 306 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,840 can live in a settlement. 307 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,800 {\an8}Have you ever been to Judea? 308 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,440 {\an8}Well, consider this an invitation, because I could try to describe it 309 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,680 {\an8}to you in words, but it would just be impossible. 310 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Ari Abramowitz was born and raised in Texas. 311 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,960 He now helps run Arugot Farm, 312 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,200 a small retreat hosting birthdays, weddings and corporate events, 313 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,400 often catering to tourists. 314 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,560 The farm was established as an outpost in 2014 - 315 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,600 illegally, according to international law - 316 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,000 on land deep inside the occupied West Bank. 317 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,880 Hi. 318 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,400 We're going to Arugot Farm. 319 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,520 Thank you. 320 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,200 HORN TOOTS 321 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,360 HORN TOOTS AGAIN 322 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,040 Are you Ari? I am. There you are. 323 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,480 How are you doing? Good to meet you. Welcome, welcome. 324 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,960 Nice to meet you. You as well. Louis. Louis. Louis? Yes. 325 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Lewis, Louis. Louis. Yes. Or Lewis. I don't mind too much. 326 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960 Welcome to Judea. How are you doing? You've come armed. 327 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,120 I d... But we're so friendly. I know how it looks. I know. 328 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,440 I know, it's not true. 329 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,280 So this is our synagogue. 330 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,280 And I remember when I first came here, 331 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,960 I wanted to build my house here. And then I learned that, 332 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,920 according to Jewish law, you build the synagogue on the highest place, 333 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,000 which makes sense. 334 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,040 What, my home is going to be lording over the synagogue? 335 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,000 That wouldn't be right. 336 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,800 These are the Torah scrolls. 337 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,920 Is it weird to have your guns on in here? 338 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:04,040 No. My gun is here to protect the nation of Israel 339 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280 from those that seek to harm us. 340 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,240 And during a service, would you typically wear them? 341 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Yes. Is it that dangerous? 342 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,440 It is until it's not. 343 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Thank God, never had any issues of infiltrations here. 344 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,000 And I think it's because they know that we're...ready for it. 345 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,480 How old were you when you came to Israel? 346 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,880 I think I was 16. When you moved here? 347 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,360 I came here after high school to study Torah. 348 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,320 It was supposed to be a few months. It's called the gap year programme. 349 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Mm-hm. When you breathe the air, when you taste that, 350 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,120 when you feel mission and passion in life, 351 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,320 you can't... You can't go back. 352 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,080 This is where I choose to come and pray 353 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,920 with the creator of heaven and earth. 354 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,080 I think this is the most beautiful place in the world, right here. 355 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Where's the nearest Palestinian town? 356 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,480 I'm so uncomfortable using the word Palestinian 357 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,000 because I don't think that it exists. 358 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,960 You don't think they really exist? 359 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,000 I don't think that they exist as a real nation 360 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520 with a real claim to this land. 361 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,200 What are they, then? They are... They're Arabs. 362 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 With a connection to this land? Yes, they have a connection to it. 363 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,720 It's nowhere near the depth and... 364 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,400 I mean, we were in this land planting vineyards 365 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,840 before Muhammad was in the third grade. 366 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Is that a settlement there? 367 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,840 That is a Jewish settlement called Pnei Kedem. 368 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Pnei Kedem. Which means facing the east. 369 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,160 "Face to the east." 370 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,000 Would that be considered legal under Israeli law? I don't know. 371 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,480 You don't really care. I don't, I don't care at all. 372 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,720 At all. I don't care at all. Um, I mean... Why don't you care? 373 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,680 This land here in the heart of Judea, 374 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,920 there's some things that transcend the whims of legislation, 375 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,960 and this is one of those things. 376 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,120 For millions of Palestinians up and down the West Bank, 377 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,160 the presence of settlers makes life precarious. 378 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000 They live under Israeli military law, 379 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,440 restricted from most Israeli roads, 380 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,480 subject to frequent run-ins with the authorities 381 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 and detention without trial, 382 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,840 in a legal system that is opaque and arbitrary. 383 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,840 Israel says the measures are necessary for security. 384 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,520 I was in the South Hebron Hills during the olive harvest, 385 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,920 a time when tensions run high, with Palestinians prevented 386 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,120 from getting to trees they say they've harvested for years. 387 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 How are you doing? 388 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 VOICEOVER: I was curious to see the interactions for myself. 389 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,480 I'd heard from an Israeli activist group, 390 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,920 they were trying to help a farmer named Isaac Jabereen. 391 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,360 Louis. Salam. What's happening here today? 392 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,200 The army arrived. 393 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,560 A nearby settlement had allegedly called them 394 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,360 to report the olive picking. 395 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600 One of those on the scene was a long-time Israeli activist, 396 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,000 mathematician Kobi Snitz. 397 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Kobi, do you know... Do you know what they're doing right now? 398 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000 The army has said, "You got to leave in five minutes." 399 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,040 And now the landowner has to make a choice, uh, 400 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,160 if to try to insist on staying here and taking a risk. 401 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,520 They're liable to do anything. 402 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,440 They could arrest the Palestinians. They can arrest us. 403 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Who knows what they might do? 404 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Have you been arrested before? 405 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Do you think he would have been arrested? 406 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,400 40% of all Palestinian men have been arrested, so probably. 407 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,040 Where are you from? 408 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960 British television. 409 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Passport. 410 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,840 Can I ask why you're taking my passport? 411 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,640 I need to check. Check what? 412 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,080 QUIETLY: Check what? 413 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Nothing. They don't check nothing. They just want to scare us. 414 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,880 If he'd kept picking, he would have been arrested? 415 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,360 No, it's not to arrest. 416 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,640 It's just to evacuate the area. 417 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Meaning what, though, if he says, "I'm not leaving"? 418 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,120 I'm grateful we didn't get to that part. 419 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,160 Because what would happen? 420 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,440 I actually don't... 421 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,240 As a soldier, you would have to, what, detain him? That's... 422 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,800 I rather not speaking it. 423 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,440 SCREAMING 424 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Alongside their interactions with the army, 425 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:15,880 Palestinians throughout the West Bank 426 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,040 also suffer attacks by settlers. 427 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960 INDISTINCT SHOUTING 428 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400 These videos come from the South Hebron Hills, 429 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,520 where I'd seen the olive picking. 430 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960 In the town of Tuwani, a settler was caught on camera 431 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,880 shooting and severely injuring a Palestinian man. 432 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,440 SCREAMING 433 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240 The shooter had his gun licence revoked, but he was never arrested. 434 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,280 I'd heard of other similar incidents. 435 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,600 SCREAMING 436 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,080 In the same town of Tuwani, 437 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,120 I'd made contact with a 20-year-old Palestinian student 438 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,200 and local activist named Mohammad Hureini. 439 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600 He'd offered to take me to the top of the hill 440 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,160 to meet his neighbour who lives at a spot closest to a settlement. 441 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Louis. Nice to meet you. 442 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Thank you for having us. 443 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,600 Musahb Rabaee's house still bears the scars 444 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400 of what he says were settler attacks. 445 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,000 So there's bullets that have come through here? Yeah. 446 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Where that bright light is? 447 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480 So what is that? Is that an outpost or... What is that? 448 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,160 Is there anyone in there? 449 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 VEHICLE APPROACHES Hang on, something's happening. 450 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,680 What is it? 451 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,760 Are they coming in? 452 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,440 SOLDIERS SHOUT 453 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080 That's a laser on the rifles. 454 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,840 What do we do? Just stay in here? 455 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680 Matan, what do you think? 456 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,040 It's not safe at the moment. 457 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520 There's obviously multiple guns pointing at us. 458 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Let's wait. 459 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 What can we do? Can we call the police? 460 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,800 This doesn't worry you? 461 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,720 After more than an hour, the soldiers appeared to lose interest, 462 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000 and the crew and I slipped away. 463 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,440 The violence committed by some settlers is often justified by them 464 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,000 as a response to violence they experience from Palestinians, 465 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,960 which is much less frequent. 466 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,000 Nevertheless, it's hard to disentangle it 467 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,080 from an ideology of the superiority of one group 468 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,680 and their rights over another, 469 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200 promoted by leaders like Daniella Weiss. 470 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,800 Hiya, how are you? 471 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Come in. 472 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,760 Hoping for more insight into her and her work, I was back. 473 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040 I have a meeting, so... 474 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680 But do have a seat. Thank you. 475 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040 So we'll just wait. Great. 476 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,000 OK. From now on, follow me... OK. ..if you want to know. 477 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Are we leaving? 478 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,480 So we're going to meet you there? All right. 479 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 I was joining Daniella and some friends of hers 480 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080 in a convoy heading towards Gaza. 481 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Mission unclear. 482 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Two hours later, we were 1km from the Gaza border 483 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280 in the Israeli town of Sderot, 484 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,000 arriving at a yeshiva, a religious school, 485 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,040 where Daniella took part in an assembly 486 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200 alongside two prominent rabbis. 487 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,320 What's happening next, Daniella? 488 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Shall we follow you? We'll follow her. 489 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Our next stop was a memorial for the victims of October 7th. 490 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Sderot had seen heavy fighting during the Hamas attacks 491 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 and suffered many losses. 492 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,040 For some passersby, Daniella held a degree of celebrity status. 493 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Then the settler convoy arrived at what seemed to be its destination. 494 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560 A viewpoint overlooking the war zone. 495 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Daniella had told me she'd signed up 800 families 496 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360 who were ready to move into Gaza. 497 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680 One of her team explained how it would work. 498 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,640 The idea seemed to be to get spiritual buy-in 499 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800 from the two rabbis. 500 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,920 One of them was next to speak, Rabbi Dov Lior. 501 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040 SINGING 502 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960 As the day ended, we were following Daniella's car, 503 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320 driving on what seemed to be army-controlled land, 504 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,880 approaching ever closer to the Gaza border. 505 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,520 You can see the destroyed houses. 506 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,520 It had previously been reported that Daniella had been illegally escorted 507 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,560 into Gaza by soldiers who supported her, 508 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080 to recce locations for settlement. 509 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Suddenly her vehicle broke away. 510 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040 HORN BLARES 511 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,240 On this occasion, she was intercepted. 512 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040 So, basically, she had a military escort 513 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560 and then she just peeled away 514 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,480 and made a sprint for the border of Gaza? Yeah. 515 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560 She's just tried to run away from the army, hasn't she? Yeah. 516 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Did you try and make a dash for the Gaza border? 517 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,040 What was happening down there? 518 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040 DANIELLA LAUGHS 519 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,760 I enjoyed it so much. 520 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,240 Our two jeeps were... Drew too much attention. 521 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,120 But what's the idea? Why do you want to go down to... 522 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,600 I wanted to... You wanted to enter Gaza? No. 523 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,160 What I wanted to do, 524 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,200 I wanted to show the rabbis 525 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,520 that Gaza 526 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,480 is not something beyond reach. 527 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,440 Would you say October 7th made people more receptive 528 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160 to your message and to your point of view? 529 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,600 No doubt. 530 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200 The October 7th 531 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,680 naturally made people more receptive 532 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,320 to the idea of the great Israel. 533 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360 But the next step, 534 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480 Jewish settlements in Gaza, 535 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000 is a very difficult step 536 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600 that demands a lot of work. 537 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,040 You have to influence the leftists, the government, 538 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,400 the nations of the world, using the magic system, Zionism. 539 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120 You redeem the land, 540 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,680 you establish communities, 541 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240 you bring Jewish families. 542 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,920 You live...live Jewish life. 543 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,600 And this will bring light instead of darkness. 544 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200 And this is how the state of Israel was established. 545 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040 And this is what we want to do in Gaza. 546 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,680 This process of making the whole of the West Bank and Gaza Jewish, 547 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120 do you feel like it's moving more quickly? 548 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000 As far as Judea and Samaria is concerned, 549 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840 so we want to move from one million to two million. 550 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680 So this is the next step. 551 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,360 This is my vision. 552 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360 Not so complicated. 553 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,520 Daniella's vision has been made possible by the Israeli occupation. 554 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,800 But it in turn has led to the creation 555 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400 of a vast military infrastructure, 556 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,960 which impacts every aspect of Palestinian life. 557 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840 Nowhere is it more evident than in Hebron. 558 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,320 Hebron is an ancient biblical city, 559 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,960 home to some 200,000 Palestinians, 560 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080 a place holy to three major religions. 561 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120 Hi, how are you? Fine, thank you. Where you guys from? 562 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600 We're from a British TV crew. 563 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000 In 1968, the year after it was occupied by Israel, 564 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,400 a community of Jewish settlers moved in illegally. 565 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360 They now number around 700, 566 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520 existing in a cordon of military protection. 567 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,320 I visited in 2010, 568 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880 when I'd spent time with a settler leader. 569 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,560 Now 14 years on, I was curious 570 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,040 about life within the Palestinian community. 571 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,400 I'm Louis. Hi, Louis. Nice to meet you. Welcome. 572 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,880 Thank you for having us. 573 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, 574 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840 was born here in a settler-occupied area. 575 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,280 You've got fences all around? All around. 576 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,320 Fences from here... Yeah. 577 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,240 Who lives on the other side? Israeli settlers. 578 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,280 You've got army there. What are they doing? Have they come for a reason? 579 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040 No. They come for intimidation. 580 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,480 How are you? 581 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000 They're not speaking but I think what they would say is, 582 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,280 "Well, we're here to provide security for the settlers 583 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,000 "who live here, and want to live in peace, 584 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,280 "and experience animosity from the Palestinians." 585 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,320 So they want to live in peace at the expense of my basic human rights. 586 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600 I didn't choose to live in Hebron. I was born in Hebron. It's my land. 587 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,680 It's my homeland. Mm-hm. The settlers chose to come here, 588 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,480 and if it's not safe for them, 589 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,280 why they continue building more and more settlements in my own city? 590 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,240 By international law, the settlements are illegal. 591 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,320 They don't see us as equal human beings 592 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,920 who deserve the same rights they do. 593 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880 Lead the way. Yeah. 594 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,360 For nearly 20 years, Issa has been an advocate 595 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,240 for nonviolent resistance against the occupation. 596 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,400 He is one of around 30,000 Palestinians living inside 597 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,160 the high-security area of Hebron, the so-called sterile zone. 598 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,040 For them, just doing their shopping, going to work, or going to school 599 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920 means passing through military checkpoints. 600 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,600 Let's see how it works. 601 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840 Hi. Hi. How are you guys doing? 602 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680 Good. How are you? Fine. Everything OK? 603 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440 I need your passport, please. 604 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,320 All of you. OK? 605 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120 Uh, sure. What for? Why? Check. 606 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,040 Why? Hi, Issa. How are you doing, mate? How you doing? Hi. 607 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000 Why you cover your faces? 608 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400 Because of the cold. No! 609 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280 Come on, guys. Don't hide. 610 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,280 Only gangs hide their faces. 611 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000 You are a military. You should have your faces obvious to everybody. 612 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400 You know Issa? He lives here. Yes. Yeah, he lives here. 613 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,320 He says it's making life very difficult 614 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680 to have the military presence here. What are you doing here? 615 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,640 What are you all doing here? What am I doing here? Making a documentary. 616 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,360 A documentary? Yeah, for British television. Of what? Of what? 617 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,640 About settlers in the West Bank. Settlers in the West Bank? Yes. 618 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,160 OK. And what do you tell to the television about the settlements? 619 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,400 It's not about what I'm telling them, it's about what I'm hearing 620 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,440 from the people who I speak to. Where do you live? 621 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000 I don't... I don't want to tell you. OK. 622 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800 I told you where I was staying. UNTRANSLATED 623 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560 Say that again. 624 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560 UNTRANSLATED 625 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560 What does that mean? 626 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,920 It's, "Enjoy from the trip in Hebron here." Thank you. 627 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960 Wish you all the best, guys. 628 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560 How is life here? Is it... 629 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600 It's like... You're very well-armed. 630 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,400 Do you... Do you... 631 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320 Is there a situation here that needs careful control? 632 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,760 Of course. What is it? Tell me about it. 633 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160 What was he saying about Arabi? 634 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,280 No, he wanted to see if you're an Arab. 635 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200 He asked you if you speak Arabic. 636 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,040 Hello, how are you doing? What's up? Hey, how are you doing? 637 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200 I'm doing excellent. American? What do I look, Chinese? 638 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120 Yeah. From Brooklyn? 639 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600 You bet. Let me just pull over to the side. OK. 640 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320 Do you know him? No, he doesn't live here. 641 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440 You OK? 642 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,880 Do you need help? Are you OK? No. 643 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,720 Are you stuck? Are you in a rut? 644 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,240 Why are you filming me? 645 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200 SOLDIER SIGHS 646 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200 It's all good, don't worry, 647 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400 we can't even see your face. Look, you're obscured. 648 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,800 No-one can even see who you are. 649 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,960 Don't worry. I don't know what to do with you. 650 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560 I have work to do. Get on with your work, you're fine. 651 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,800 You stay here in the check post and filming everything. 652 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,360 You can't do this here, OK? 653 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,240 Come with me. No, you can't do that. 654 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,360 Come with me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't touch me. 655 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,600 No violence. You just touched me. Don't touch me. No violence. 656 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,000 Listen to me. Yeah, I'm listening. 657 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,840 Come, come. No. 658 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,200 I'm from the military, OK? Mm-hm. IDF, Israel Defence Forces. 659 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,760 I'm above the police here in the West Bank. OK. 660 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,040 I'm the highest responsibility of law. OK. 661 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120 We'll tell it like this, OK? 662 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,560 And as this man, IDF, I need to tell you, 663 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480 not staying here. OK. We'll move along. That's fine. 664 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480 OK. Leave. Leave this place. Leave this area, OK? 665 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,120 Yeah, we'll move along. Right now. Yalla. Louis, let's go. 666 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120 OK. Yalla. Let's go. 667 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,840 So who lives here? Palestinian families. 668 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,080 And where are they? They are hiding behind their doors. 669 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,280 What would stop these shops from being open? 670 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,240 It's closed by military orders 671 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,080 and marked as closed shops. It's marked. 672 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080 From this shop would be five families, at least, 673 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560 live and earn their living. 674 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,440 Look, this is something new. 675 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,280 This, not to hire Arab workers in Israel. 676 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,560 Two faces, the faces of an Arab and a face of a terrorist. 677 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,400 This is how they stereotype us. 678 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480 Middle finger. 679 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,000 He gave you the middle finger? Yes, to you, too. 680 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640 You think it was to me? To you. I think it was to you. To you. 681 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,320 To both of us. Because you deserve the middle finger 682 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520 if you report about Palestinians. 683 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800 UNTRANSLATED 684 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,360 Wait, wait. ID, please. 685 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,840 For what reason? 686 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000 It's the policies. 687 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,080 Yes. 688 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,080 That one? 689 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120 Why can't he... Why can't he be with us? 690 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,040 How come Palestinians can't come down here? 691 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,360 It seems ironic that that's the visitor's centre, right? 692 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,760 For tourists and whatnot? 693 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,880 And he can't actually visit in his own...in his own city. 694 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,720 You knew that was going to happen. 695 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,160 No, it's new that they asked me to come back to here. 696 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,800 He told me that I'm allowed only to here. 697 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,240 So they expanded the closed area for me. 698 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,800 What's it all about? 699 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,160 Taking more and more land. 700 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,280 It's about fragmented life, restricted life for Palestinians. 701 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,640 No quality life. 702 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,760 You live with the basics, with the basics, 703 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,480 even with less than basics of a family need... 704 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080 ..to make you leave. And they are doing well. 705 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200 The majority of the houses are empty. 706 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,520 Families are leaving. 707 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,000 You could flip it and say, well, if they really wanted 708 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,320 to occupy the whole of Hebron, or at least this area, 709 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,400 they could literally deport Palestinians. 710 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,040 They do it slowly. 711 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,760 But now, they are speeding up. 712 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,840 They want approval from their allies and their partners in the world. 713 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,240 Is it worth going through to see the other side? 714 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,920 Yes, I can show you. To see what it looks like? 715 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,520 This gives you a little flavour of what it was like in there before? 716 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,520 Yes. The market was much more busy inside. 717 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520 It was our Oxford Street inside. 718 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,400 So busy, my father used to hold my arm not to lose me. 719 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,800 Not any more. It's closed completely. Restricted. 720 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,880 In order to get back in, we can't go through there now, 721 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,280 cos they've closed it. It's closed now. So how do we get back in? 722 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040 You try from another checkpoint. Mm-hm. 723 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440 Through here? Yes. 724 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,240 Louis. 725 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,040 Coming through? Yes. All right. 726 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,160 OK, just a moment, just a moment. 727 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,400 When it's green. With the green light, go in. 728 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,480 This one, please. 729 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,400 So now we're on the other side of the area 730 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,120 where you couldn't walk before, right? Yes. 731 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,400 Where they stopped you from walking in front of the visitors' centre. 732 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520 But you need to get home. Yes. So what will you do? 733 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,520 I will go around again. 734 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,640 I will go outside this checkpoint, 735 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,160 go around, to enter from another checkpoint, 736 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,320 and wait till the checkpoint opens, to get into my house with my son. 737 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,080 You definitely can't come this way? 738 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,080 I can't come this way. OK. 739 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,240 I can... They won't let you through? No, they will not. 740 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,960 I'm not allowed. I was happy to meet you. Thank you so much. 741 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,440 Bye-bye. Take care. Bye-bye. 742 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840 On the drive back from Hebron, 743 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,960 I reflected on the separate lives lived by Israelis and Palestinians 744 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680 and the unequal system of rights and justice. 745 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,240 We ran into a traffic jam, caused by a bomb scare. 746 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,760 The road, the main artery in the West Bank, 747 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640 is one of the few shared by Israelis and Palestinians. 748 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160 For once, all were subject to delay. 749 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,360 It was a sobering experience visiting Hebron again. 750 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360 Issa had told me he believed life was being made intolerable 751 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960 for Palestinians deliberately 752 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920 to make them leave 753 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040 and that the process was speeding up since October 7th. 754 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,000 And it was true that some settlers I'd met supported the deportation 755 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,480 of Palestinians who won't submit to Jewish authority. 756 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,640 One of them was Ari, a Texan, born and raised in Houston, 757 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,000 now resident deep inside the occupied West Bank. 758 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,120 Good to see you. Good to see you. How are you? I'm all right. 759 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600 A little under the weather. I'm sorry to hear that. 760 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960 Thank you for having us back. 761 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,040 Hoping to understand a little better, 762 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,560 I'd returned to see him again. 763 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,640 OK. We're ready for the coffee. 764 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,280 I really hope I do this right. 765 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560 I never know if you wear those guns just for effect. 766 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,280 I don't know what effect I'm looking for. 767 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,800 Do I want to look more militant? 768 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,200 Yeah, no, I'm not wearing it just for effect. Do you want to sit down? 769 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,600 We've talked a lot about how you see the, uh... 770 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,760 the importance of Jewish presence 771 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,480 in what was termed the biblical land of Israel. 772 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,480 Are you saying that you see Israel 773 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880 as playing a role for modelling a new kind of, 774 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,840 what, nationalism? Is that... Is that right? 775 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,000 I think that all of what's happening in the world right now is leading us 776 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,920 as a nation to open our eyes to who we are. 777 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,240 We are the tip of the spear fighting the battles of America 778 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,680 in defending 779 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,280 the entire Western world. 780 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,920 And not just the Western world, 781 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,400 anyone who wants any semblance of liberty and freedom in their lives. 782 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,520 Nevertheless, there are millions of people up and down the area, 783 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,680 uh, Arabs, Muslims, who aren't living free, right? 784 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,280 They're enclosed without the same rights, 785 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,240 without national self-determination 786 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,320 and, in many respects, feeling besieged. 787 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,520 And I just wonder, do you see that? 788 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,760 I don't have tremendous compassion for a society that has 789 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,160 an unquenchable, genocidal, 790 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,640 theological bloodlust. It's like a death cult. 791 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,040 It seems to me there's a danger with that characterisation 792 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560 of Palestinians. You define them as eliminationist 793 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040 and hateful and...and genocidal. 794 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,680 Yeah, I used the words death cult also. As a death cult. 795 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,040 Um... That that then permits you to almost create a mirror image 796 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,720 of that, that you say, "Well, if they want to do that to us, 797 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,600 "then we need to do that to them." 798 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,560 I think that when you're living amongst people 799 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,320 who have perpetually proven, not only by word but by deed, 800 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640 that they want your blood spilled in the streets, 801 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,280 that they want to murder your children, 802 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,200 that they want to slay all of you, kill all of you 803 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,480 in the most horrific genocidal way... 804 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,720 All of the polls showed after October 7th that these people 805 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,320 who you continuously call the Palestinian people, 806 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,320 that I reject the very premise 807 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,680 that they are actually a real nation for a lot of reasons. I mean... 808 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,680 But the millions of people who have nothing to do with October 7th, 809 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,840 right? Who actually just would like to live free, full lives. 810 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,880 If that's really what they wanted, 811 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,760 they would have had it a long time ago. 812 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,000 They want to wipe Israel off the map. 813 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200 They want every last Jew dead. 814 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,920 Because... So what's the answer? 815 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000 The answer is for us to declare sovereignty 816 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,720 over all of Judea and Samaria, 817 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,480 and all of the land of Israel, and Gaza. 818 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800 And to settle Gaza and all of Judea and Samaria 819 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,880 with Jews in the land of Israel. 820 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,200 Did the question annoy you? 821 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,120 Annoy me? I just... I hear it so often. 822 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,240 And it feels like it's being addressed again and again and again. 823 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,480 Even if the entire world is pointing accusing fingers 824 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000 and gnashing their teeth in rage and anger, 825 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,360 we know the righteousness and the truth of our cause, 826 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,000 even if we stand alone. 827 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,240 That's what it means to be a Hebrew. That's what it means to be a Jew. 828 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,080 If we know the truth of our cause, that's all we need. 829 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,200 For Ari, it was clear that nothing is greater than the word of God. 830 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,840 And that word had led him to believe that it was the divine right 831 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,760 of the Jewish people to settle and rule this land. 832 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200 Good to see you. See you later. 833 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,400 God should bless and protect you. Amen. 834 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,080 The Bible was, as he saw it, a land deed to the West Bank. 835 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,200 With an afternoon free, 836 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,000 I stopped for coffee in the Palestinian city of Nablus... 837 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,880 ..surrounded by the ancient architecture of the old city, 838 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,840 and the undeniable fact of the hundreds of thousands of people 839 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320 living there, and their aspirations for statehood. 840 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,840 At the edge of the city, we were held up at one of the many 841 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,000 checkpoints that control the people entering and leaving. 842 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,080 Can you put the gun down? 843 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,320 Where are you from? From London. London. 844 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,200 You've been in the market? Yes. 845 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,680 You also? 846 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,160 Yes. Yes. 847 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320 She work with you? Yes. She's American. 848 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,680 Can you show me ID? 849 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,200 Me? 850 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,320 Everyone. 851 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,720 Yeah, sure. 852 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,200 It's very slow going. 853 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,040 We're in there... in that queue for an hour or more. 854 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,560 What, uh... 855 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,720 How much time you going to stay in Israel? 856 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,720 Hang on, but I don't think we're in Israel. 857 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,000 Huh? Are we in Israel? 858 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800 You're in Israel now. Are we? Yes. 859 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,640 In the West Bank, no? 860 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,200 In the north of the West Bank, 861 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,000 I was heading back to the settlement of Evyatar, 862 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400 where I'd been hosted by Malkiel, the horse-wrangler. 863 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,240 Since my visit, I'd learned a little more about the settlement's 864 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,720 relations with its neighbouring Palestinian town of Beita. 865 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,800 How Beita had been subject to settler attacks 866 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,120 and how it, in turn, had organised regular protests of the settlement. 867 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,720 Demonstrators had been killed and others wounded during the clashes. 868 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:38,840 SIREN WAILS 869 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640 One of the deaths of a Turkish-American volunteer, 870 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,040 Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, made headlines. 871 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,680 Now the settlement was holding a festival 872 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,480 to celebrate its recent recognition by the Israeli State. 873 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,200 MUSIC PLAYS 874 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,600 Entertainments had been laid on 875 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,280 and families from settlements from around the West Bank 876 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,200 had converged for a day of music and activities. 877 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,880 One of those speaking was Daniella. 878 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,360 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 879 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,560 How are you? 880 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,560 You want to go there? Yeah, it's a bit quieter. 881 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,120 As the festivities wound down, I had a moment to speak to Daniella 882 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,600 on a hilltop overlooking the Palestinian town of Beita. 883 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920 So you've been talking about settling. 884 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,720 You've talked about displacing, wanting the Palestinians to go, 885 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,640 you said, to Africa, to Canada, to England, 886 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,160 you don't care where. Turkey. Mm-hm. 887 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280 What would be wrong with either a two-state solution 888 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,920 or a one-state solution where everyone had the same rights? 889 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:27,000 We want to have a Jewish state based on Jewish rules, 890 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520 on Jewish values. 891 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,000 It's not a relationship of neighbours. Why not? 892 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,400 Cos we are two different nations. 893 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,560 Different. I just wonder whether you feel, 894 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,840 or you're aware that, um...you know, 895 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,400 they're really suffering. And there's been settlers 896 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,440 rampaging through the area of the West Bank, 897 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,960 so there's all this... Agitation. 898 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280 ..death. Tragedy. Right? Tragedy. 899 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,960 When a people is invaded, right? 900 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,040 And then put under a military occupation, 901 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800 deprived of their rights, 902 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,760 that anger seems to be an understandable response, 903 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,320 an appropriate response. 904 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640 There is no such thing as settler violence. 905 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,560 Did I speak... I don't know if... I don't mind saying it again. 906 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,320 Mm-hm. And I don't mind... I will be glad to explain. 907 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,400 You don't believe it's real? There are videos. You can see them. 908 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,720 You see what? OK. 909 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,600 Let's say... Mm-hm. 910 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,920 ..we have a camera here. Yes. 911 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760 And I do this. Yeah. 912 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,480 Do something. You don't mind what I did to you? 913 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,560 You don't... Well, I won't do that to you. 914 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,960 You won't do that. No. 915 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000 And then the camera takes just part. 916 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,440 Mm-hm. 917 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,960 You don't have the full picture. 918 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,200 Then I say you're violent. 919 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,560 You're violent against a woman. 920 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,360 This is exactly what is going on all the time with what you call, 921 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,760 er... Settler violence. Settler violence. 922 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,240 Settlers do not wake up in the morning, 923 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,120 or do not go and wait for sundown to attack. 924 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,760 No, no, no, no. 925 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,000 Why should we wake up in the morning and think about violence? 926 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000 Why? Our life is good! 927 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880 Because you want the Palestinians to leave. 928 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,760 No! No, no, no! You've said so. 929 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,120 I said that what is on my mind all the time... 930 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,640 ..is how to bring more people to settle the land. 931 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,800 This a new development by Jews. 932 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,960 This is Yitzhar, this we can... 933 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240 Here we can develop. Here we cannot develop. 934 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,600 I never think in terms of... I know this is Beita. 935 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,840 Mm-hm. I don't think in... I don't think about Beita. 936 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,480 Why not? Because I think about, I am a Jew. 937 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040 They're people. I'm a settler. They're people. I'm a human being. 938 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,080 Yes, you are. And so are they. So I do not think about this. 939 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,520 You're thinking about tribalism. Thinking of your own people 940 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,360 to the exclusion... It would be understandable 941 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,960 to think of your own people or your own children first. 942 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,000 But to think about other people, other children not at all? 943 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120 That seems sociopathic. 944 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,640 DANIELLA CHUCKLES 945 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,200 I can, uh... Doesn't it? 946 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,480 No, not at all. This is normal. 947 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640 To my children, I give everything 948 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,600 because I... The normal thing, normal thing for me 949 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,040 is to pray for my own people. 950 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,600 That's it. So now I continue. 951 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120 I hoped you'd push me back. 952 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,920 And so I said goodbye to Daniella 953 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,240 and her extreme ideology delivered with a smile. 954 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,200 14 years on from my first visit, 955 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,000 with the horror of October 7th in the interim 956 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,280 and the ongoing devastation of Gaza, 957 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,800 the settler dream shows no sign of abating... 958 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,600 ..along with the dislocation, displacement and death 959 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,000 that follows inevitably in its train. 960 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,840 Advanced by ideologues, 961 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,880 backed up by those in power 962 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,320 and accountable only to God.