1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:25,521 --> 00:01:28,361 Hi. 4 00:01:28,404 --> 00:01:33,284 Munroe Bergdorf is an internationally renowned activist, 5 00:01:33,329 --> 00:01:35,569 model, writer and broadcaster. 6 00:01:38,053 --> 00:01:41,813 To us, she is nothing short of an icon. 7 00:01:41,857 --> 00:01:45,377 We are so proud to welcome her to the United Nations. 8 00:01:45,421 --> 00:01:50,661 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ms. Munroe Bergdorf. 9 00:02:05,281 --> 00:02:07,641 Meet Munroe Bergdorf, 10 00:02:07,684 --> 00:02:12,844 a model who has been controversially appointed the UK champion 11 00:02:12,889 --> 00:02:15,089 at UN Women. 12 00:02:17,974 --> 00:02:20,694 This move was met with serious backlash, 13 00:02:20,737 --> 00:02:23,697 as Munroe Bergdorf is a trans woman. 14 00:02:29,266 --> 00:02:31,826 Talk about transgender, everyone goes crazy. 15 00:02:31,868 --> 00:02:37,188 Who would have thought five years ago, you didn't know what the hell it was? 16 00:02:37,234 --> 00:02:39,874 ...women are insulted and annoyed that once again, 17 00:02:39,916 --> 00:02:43,876 a male has taken a place which you would think should be given to a woman. 18 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,560 ...and a transgender woman. - So let's get a man 19 00:02:46,603 --> 00:02:47,603 who dresses up as a sexual fantasy... 20 00:02:47,644 --> 00:02:49,084 A man is a man 21 00:02:49,126 --> 00:02:50,126 and a woman is a woman, 22 00:02:50,167 --> 00:02:52,167 that's just common sense. 23 00:03:10,267 --> 00:03:12,067 Okay. 24 00:03:14,712 --> 00:03:17,432 Am I just reading? 25 00:03:19,397 --> 00:03:23,437 Okay. All right. 26 00:03:23,481 --> 00:03:28,681 This is just a rough... um, first draft. 27 00:03:35,813 --> 00:03:38,253 "When I was a child, I ran away from home. 28 00:03:41,099 --> 00:03:43,139 I made it as far as the recreation ground 29 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:45,941 from which I could see my house from a distance. 30 00:03:49,547 --> 00:03:51,547 I was eight years old and aware that running away 31 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:56,069 was not a realistic solution to the problem of not wanting to be there. 32 00:04:01,399 --> 00:04:02,559 This didn't, however, prevent 33 00:04:02,601 --> 00:04:06,001 several future attempts at escape. 34 00:04:06,044 --> 00:04:09,164 I continued to run away long after leaving home, 35 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:11,727 when the only thing I was running away from was me." 36 00:04:35,714 --> 00:04:39,634 Writing's always been my favourite thing to do. 37 00:04:39,678 --> 00:04:42,678 It was the subject that I was best at in school. 38 00:04:45,084 --> 00:04:49,564 Where I grew up, it was a very sleepy suburban town. 39 00:04:49,608 --> 00:04:55,528 I loved to run around in nature and collect snails. 40 00:04:55,574 --> 00:05:00,454 I was just a very curious child and just, I guess, a little bit strange. 41 00:05:03,502 --> 00:05:07,022 I don't have a very big family. 42 00:05:07,066 --> 00:05:13,106 It's me, my mom, my dad, and my younger brother. 43 00:05:13,152 --> 00:05:15,672 But I had a bit of a turbulent relationship with them. 44 00:05:15,715 --> 00:05:19,795 I didn't feel like they understood me. 45 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,959 Everybody else was part of something, 46 00:05:23,002 --> 00:05:24,842 and I couldn't be honest 47 00:05:24,884 --> 00:05:27,884 with who I was attracted to, who I had a crush on. 48 00:05:27,927 --> 00:05:31,447 I couldn't be honest about my interests. 49 00:05:31,491 --> 00:05:33,371 You know, I wanted to do ballet. 50 00:05:36,416 --> 00:05:39,336 But I was expected to be smaller, 51 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:43,699 be less effeminate, be less girly. 52 00:05:43,743 --> 00:05:48,503 To tone myself down. It was hard. 53 00:05:50,951 --> 00:05:53,951 My parents did the best that they could, but, like me, 54 00:05:53,994 --> 00:05:57,554 they were probably also scared about what they were seeing. 55 00:05:57,598 --> 00:06:00,838 Back then, TV really was the voice of God, 56 00:06:00,881 --> 00:06:05,241 and popular shows reflected the bigoted views that many people held at the time. 57 00:06:05,285 --> 00:06:07,485 - Niggers are the West Indians. - And this had a huge impact on me. 58 00:06:07,528 --> 00:06:10,288 These people are wogs! 59 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:12,730 I mean, I couldn't clean your flat 'cause it'd be tantamount 60 00:06:12,773 --> 00:06:14,933 to condoning it, wouldn't it? 61 00:06:14,975 --> 00:06:16,455 Not to mention the fact that the pair of you 62 00:06:16,497 --> 00:06:18,217 might well have AIDS. 63 00:06:18,259 --> 00:06:20,539 The mainstream was white 64 00:06:20,581 --> 00:06:22,381 and the mainstream was straight. 65 00:06:24,225 --> 00:06:25,705 The government is to ban 66 00:06:25,746 --> 00:06:28,426 the promotion of homosexuality in schools. 67 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:31,869 If Carla lived next door, would you actually go to her house? 68 00:06:31,912 --> 00:06:33,792 There's no Blacks in the community at all. 69 00:06:33,834 --> 00:06:36,514 We don't want no Blacks in our team. 70 00:06:36,557 --> 00:06:39,277 ♪ We don't want niggers in our team ♪ 71 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Even though I didn't understand it, it always felt very wrong. 72 00:06:44,165 --> 00:06:46,485 Children who need to be taught to respect 73 00:06:46,527 --> 00:06:48,647 traditional moral values 74 00:06:48,689 --> 00:06:52,809 are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be gay. 75 00:06:52,854 --> 00:06:54,654 This is the bus stop where Stephen Lawrence 76 00:06:54,696 --> 00:06:57,736 was brutally stabbed to death in a savage racial attack. 77 00:06:57,779 --> 00:07:00,619 - She used to be a man? - She's a transsexual. 78 00:07:00,662 --> 00:07:03,902 - She used to be a fella. - So, now you all know. 79 00:07:05,066 --> 00:07:07,506 And I'm sorry I didn't tell you before. 80 00:07:10,552 --> 00:07:14,392 But I remember watching FashionTV at night 81 00:07:14,436 --> 00:07:16,836 with the sound down... 82 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,480 and I just thought it was the most beautiful thing 83 00:07:21,523 --> 00:07:23,083 that I've ever seen. 84 00:07:23,125 --> 00:07:25,605 I felt like I could do anything by watching it. 85 00:07:25,647 --> 00:07:28,087 I was like, "Wow! You can do this. 86 00:07:28,130 --> 00:07:31,210 You can bring a dream to life in this way." 87 00:07:37,659 --> 00:07:39,859 Being queer at school... 88 00:07:43,225 --> 00:07:50,145 ...it was just extremely lonely and shame-inducing. 89 00:07:50,192 --> 00:07:53,592 Like, I didn't want to be queer. I didn't wanna be Black. 90 00:07:53,636 --> 00:07:55,036 I wanted to just fit in. 91 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:00,521 You begin to internalise it 92 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:04,603 and it embeds itself into your DNA. 93 00:08:04,647 --> 00:08:09,887 I'm not a human being. I represent a question mark. 94 00:08:09,932 --> 00:08:13,652 I was bullied at school consistently, 95 00:08:13,696 --> 00:08:15,896 and then when I came home, 96 00:08:15,938 --> 00:08:19,898 what I really wanted was emotional support, 97 00:08:19,942 --> 00:08:23,782 but my parents never seemed to be able to provide that. 98 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:38,839 Hello, Mummy. 99 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:43,723 So there's... there's a camera. 100 00:08:46,449 --> 00:08:50,369 You're being recorded. But it's fine. 101 00:08:50,413 --> 00:08:52,493 If you don't... if you don't... 102 00:08:52,535 --> 00:08:53,895 if you don't want to be recorded, 103 00:08:53,937 --> 00:08:55,377 then we don't have to, but, like, 104 00:08:55,418 --> 00:08:59,378 it's literally just, like, chilled. 105 00:08:59,423 --> 00:09:03,423 In an ideal world, I would love my parents to be in this film, 106 00:09:03,467 --> 00:09:06,307 but we don't live in an ideal world. 107 00:09:08,071 --> 00:09:09,231 Yeah. 108 00:09:22,886 --> 00:09:26,966 I can see what they're saying. 109 00:09:27,011 --> 00:09:29,811 Maybe they have, like, a certain idea of what it's gonna be, 110 00:09:29,853 --> 00:09:32,493 but I don't think it actually aligns 111 00:09:32,536 --> 00:09:33,856 with what you're trying to do. 112 00:09:33,898 --> 00:09:35,698 No, I know. I know. 113 00:09:35,739 --> 00:09:38,819 But I also appreciate, like, 114 00:09:38,863 --> 00:09:40,703 the fact that they wanna kind of keep... 115 00:09:40,745 --> 00:09:44,505 - Of course. - ...our relationship as like a sanctuary. 116 00:09:44,548 --> 00:09:48,548 - Yeah. - But it's... Yeah. 117 00:09:48,593 --> 00:09:50,553 I can understand both sides of it. 118 00:09:50,595 --> 00:09:52,515 Yeah, me too. 119 00:09:57,001 --> 00:09:59,521 I feel like I've got different families. 120 00:09:59,564 --> 00:10:01,764 I've got my birth family. 121 00:10:01,806 --> 00:10:07,646 And then I've got my friends family, my chosen family. 122 00:10:11,456 --> 00:10:16,056 Reece is like my other arm. He's like another brother. 123 00:10:16,101 --> 00:10:18,821 ...coming in two hours. 124 00:10:20,265 --> 00:10:23,225 I'm never not laughing when I'm with him. 125 00:10:24,029 --> 00:10:27,229 For God's sake. 126 00:10:27,272 --> 00:10:29,592 Reece is a model and a dancer 127 00:10:29,634 --> 00:10:33,914 and an incredibly creative person. 128 00:10:38,764 --> 00:10:42,684 My queerness or sexuality was suppressed 129 00:10:42,728 --> 00:10:46,208 from birth until my mid-20s 130 00:10:46,251 --> 00:10:48,971 within my biological family, 131 00:10:49,014 --> 00:10:52,334 but when you meet your chosen family, 132 00:10:52,377 --> 00:10:54,257 it's the complete opposite. 133 00:10:56,742 --> 00:10:59,942 It's like finding a gem and realizing 134 00:10:59,985 --> 00:11:03,825 that you can't drop it, you can't lose it. 135 00:11:03,869 --> 00:11:06,349 And then you're like, "Oh, I'm a gem too." 136 00:11:06,392 --> 00:11:08,712 And then, like, you've just got a bag full of gems. 137 00:11:21,567 --> 00:11:23,407 I think for most trans people, 138 00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:27,249 isolation is something that we've all experienced, 139 00:11:27,293 --> 00:11:29,813 especially during our childhood, 140 00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:36,616 and I found it easier to be friends with things or animals, 141 00:11:36,662 --> 00:11:38,862 rather than people. 142 00:11:42,468 --> 00:11:49,348 Then, as I got older, I really started to turn on myself. 143 00:11:49,395 --> 00:11:53,555 Dysphoria becomes a physical thing. 144 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,440 It's something that really puts you 145 00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:57,402 into a prison of your own body. 146 00:11:57,444 --> 00:12:00,004 I just felt so hideous 147 00:12:00,046 --> 00:12:03,206 that I just avoided looking in mirrors, 148 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:06,530 I avoided looking at my reflection in windows. 149 00:12:09,856 --> 00:12:13,856 And that continued until my early 20s, 150 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:19,300 shortly after leaving home, until I found my community. 151 00:12:26,633 --> 00:12:29,433 As soon as I got to the city, I was like, "Wow! 152 00:12:29,476 --> 00:12:34,516 I can connect with people and I don't feel like I'm going mad." 153 00:12:34,561 --> 00:12:37,041 I started to understand sexuality, 154 00:12:37,084 --> 00:12:40,084 started to understand gender. 155 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:42,087 I didn't wanna play by the rules. 156 00:12:42,129 --> 00:12:45,529 Oh, I understand the rules, I'm just not doing this. 157 00:12:53,541 --> 00:12:55,181 And it was only then 158 00:12:55,222 --> 00:12:59,182 that I started to realise that I was trans, 159 00:12:59,226 --> 00:13:01,346 that I wanted to begin my transition. 160 00:13:19,767 --> 00:13:21,807 - Hi, sister. - Hey. 161 00:13:23,211 --> 00:13:25,131 - Oh! - Hello! 162 00:13:25,173 --> 00:13:27,133 - How you doing? - I'm good. I don't wanna get shit on you. 163 00:13:27,175 --> 00:13:29,495 - I don't mind. - Ooh, you hot and sweaty. 164 00:13:29,537 --> 00:13:33,177 - Yeah. - Have you got SPF? 165 00:13:34,863 --> 00:13:35,983 Do you have some? 166 00:13:36,024 --> 00:13:38,784 Yeah, we should put some on, shouldn't we? 167 00:13:38,827 --> 00:13:40,547 Yeah, let's do it together. 168 00:13:40,589 --> 00:13:42,989 So when I first met Munroe, 169 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:47,111 we crossed paths while I was waiting outside an event 170 00:13:47,155 --> 00:13:50,635 because I was too nervous to go inside. 171 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,919 She naturally took me under her wing without thinking about it. 172 00:13:56,965 --> 00:13:59,565 You look like a hot me... No, not even a hot mess. 173 00:13:59,608 --> 00:14:02,488 You said what you said! 174 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:08,454 We keep it, like, we keep it happy, 175 00:14:08,497 --> 00:14:12,257 so, in a sense, we can escape from everything. 176 00:14:14,303 --> 00:14:17,543 She doesn't have to be Munroe Bergdorf around me. 177 00:14:17,586 --> 00:14:20,586 She can just be my sister. 178 00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:23,269 Because in the nicest way possible, I'm like, 179 00:14:23,312 --> 00:14:25,632 "I don't want what you have." 180 00:14:25,674 --> 00:14:29,834 It's too much, it's the expectations, the pressure, 181 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:32,559 the way that people are so intrusive, 182 00:14:32,601 --> 00:14:36,361 but I can help just being by her side. 183 00:14:48,578 --> 00:14:52,018 - We are on our way to Trans Pride. - Yes, we is. 184 00:14:52,061 --> 00:14:54,781 I think it's like the third Trans Pride ever. 185 00:14:54,824 --> 00:14:56,904 Today is doll day. 186 00:14:58,628 --> 00:15:01,908 ♪ Look at me, you wanna say freedom ♪ 187 00:15:01,951 --> 00:15:05,271 - Hi! Hi. - You're amazing. 188 00:15:05,315 --> 00:15:07,355 Oh, thank you. 189 00:15:07,397 --> 00:15:08,837 My life a few years ago 190 00:15:08,878 --> 00:15:11,638 is unrecognisable from what it is now. 191 00:15:11,681 --> 00:15:13,441 ...lovely meeting you, but I'm just... 192 00:15:13,483 --> 00:15:14,843 Yeah, I love you so much. 193 00:15:14,885 --> 00:15:16,805 - Oh, thank you. - Yeah, hi. Sorry. 194 00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:22,210 But it's so surreal 195 00:15:22,252 --> 00:15:27,212 that I don't know how to process it. 196 00:15:27,257 --> 00:15:31,977 Being trans is being closer to who you actually are 197 00:15:32,022 --> 00:15:34,462 and how you actually feel. 198 00:15:34,504 --> 00:15:38,264 You learn to honour other people. 199 00:15:38,308 --> 00:15:45,308 Transitioning is survival, it's love, it's autonomy. 200 00:15:45,356 --> 00:15:46,596 It's freedom. 201 00:15:48,078 --> 00:15:50,758 Thank you. I was think... Hi. 202 00:15:53,244 --> 00:15:54,684 Yeah, sure. 203 00:15:55,926 --> 00:15:58,006 Shall we... Shall we... Like this? 204 00:15:58,048 --> 00:15:59,088 Yes. 205 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:01,090 - Like, hold it... - Yes. 206 00:16:01,132 --> 00:16:04,972 The way in which we are challenging systems 207 00:16:05,016 --> 00:16:10,616 and holding them to account, I'm both hopeful and scared. 208 00:16:10,661 --> 00:16:12,181 - What do we want? - Trans rights! 209 00:16:12,223 --> 00:16:13,423 Why do we want them? 210 00:16:13,464 --> 00:16:16,104 That's our human rights. 211 00:16:27,358 --> 00:16:31,398 I'd started working in queer nightlife in London. 212 00:16:34,365 --> 00:16:40,525 And I continued my medical transition. It was incredible. 213 00:16:40,572 --> 00:16:44,452 I felt like I could be whoever I wanted to be. 214 00:16:46,818 --> 00:16:48,778 I could make mistakes, I could change, 215 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:55,020 I could have access to other trans people so that I knew... 216 00:16:55,066 --> 00:16:57,466 what I was feeling and what was happening to me 217 00:16:57,509 --> 00:17:00,629 wasn't something completely out of the unknown, 218 00:17:00,672 --> 00:17:04,072 and also, being trans, you do feel under surveillance, 219 00:17:04,116 --> 00:17:08,156 and to be around people who were watching me 220 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,120 but for the right reasons. 221 00:17:13,525 --> 00:17:17,765 It was around that time that I met Ava. 222 00:17:27,419 --> 00:17:29,059 She was trans too, 223 00:17:29,101 --> 00:17:33,821 and there was just an understanding between us. 224 00:17:41,554 --> 00:17:45,394 I think meeting her really made me realise, 225 00:17:45,438 --> 00:17:49,758 you know, what actual love is. 226 00:17:49,802 --> 00:17:51,722 There was just a massive connection there... 227 00:17:53,045 --> 00:17:55,085 and we explored it 228 00:17:55,128 --> 00:18:00,248 and there was lots of, like, tension and chemistry, 229 00:18:00,293 --> 00:18:03,853 and it just felt like a bit of a whirlwind. 230 00:18:08,781 --> 00:18:13,341 I'd just never really experienced unconditional love, 231 00:18:13,386 --> 00:18:15,626 that I'm good enough as I am. 232 00:18:21,154 --> 00:18:23,674 It was just really beautiful. 233 00:18:30,964 --> 00:18:34,284 Back then, there was a significant shift 234 00:18:34,327 --> 00:18:36,287 in trans acceptance. 235 00:18:36,329 --> 00:18:40,209 Shows likeOrange Is the New Black andTransparent 236 00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:45,653 created an increased sense of social awareness 237 00:18:45,699 --> 00:18:48,259 and felt like an exciting time. 238 00:18:48,302 --> 00:18:49,902 My name is Sarah McBride 239 00:18:49,943 --> 00:18:53,583 and I am a proud transgender American. 240 00:18:56,750 --> 00:19:00,110 Seeing that shift definitely inspired me 241 00:19:00,154 --> 00:19:03,554 and I guess it helped me to feel confident enough 242 00:19:03,597 --> 00:19:05,717 to realise some of the childhood dreams 243 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:10,879 that I'd always had but had kept secret. 244 00:19:10,925 --> 00:19:12,725 It wasn't necessarily that I wanted to be a model 245 00:19:12,767 --> 00:19:16,567 because I was the prettiest or that I was the tallest, 246 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:18,930 'cause I'm not, and I'm okay with that. 247 00:19:18,973 --> 00:19:22,733 But it was I wanted to be part of the creative process. 248 00:19:22,777 --> 00:19:25,177 So when I started meeting people, 249 00:19:25,219 --> 00:19:30,379 photographers, designers, stylists, magazine editors, 250 00:19:30,425 --> 00:19:32,305 I was getting modelling jobs, 251 00:19:32,346 --> 00:19:36,266 trying to take every single opportunity that I could. 252 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:41,510 I could, you know, throw a look and, um, I could give an energy, 253 00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:45,276 and then I just found myself being cast 254 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,920 by quite influential people, 255 00:19:48,963 --> 00:19:50,443 and then that level of influence 256 00:19:50,485 --> 00:19:52,245 got higher and higher and higher. 257 00:19:52,287 --> 00:19:56,767 That was the beginning of me realizing that I could. 258 00:19:58,693 --> 00:20:02,533 It helped me feel powerful in my difference. 259 00:20:02,577 --> 00:20:04,857 It was something that I could stand tall in, 260 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:07,180 for the first time to be respected 261 00:20:07,222 --> 00:20:11,542 as the person that I wanted to be, and to find my voice. 262 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:13,786 I just want people that are trans 263 00:20:13,829 --> 00:20:15,749 to just be able to walk down the street, and... 264 00:20:15,791 --> 00:20:17,311 There's so many other people that have 265 00:20:17,352 --> 00:20:18,872 exactly the same feelings as us 266 00:20:18,914 --> 00:20:21,274 and we're not alone in those feelings, 267 00:20:21,316 --> 00:20:22,876 so the more that we talk 268 00:20:22,918 --> 00:20:25,998 and the more that we create that conversation, 269 00:20:26,041 --> 00:20:30,041 the further that things will push forward at a quicker rate. 270 00:20:30,085 --> 00:20:33,565 I was filled with confidence and hope 271 00:20:33,609 --> 00:20:35,969 of what the world could look like. 272 00:20:36,011 --> 00:20:38,891 I'm pleased to say I'm joined by Munroe Bergdorf, 273 00:20:38,934 --> 00:20:40,974 a transgender advocate and activist 274 00:20:41,016 --> 00:20:45,216 who says London has encouraged her to be herself. 275 00:20:46,622 --> 00:20:49,582 Then everything just changed. 276 00:20:51,827 --> 00:20:54,907 I received an email out of the blue from L'Oréal. 277 00:20:54,951 --> 00:20:58,071 I thought it was spam, and then I did some digging 278 00:20:58,114 --> 00:20:59,794 and it was legit. 279 00:20:59,835 --> 00:21:01,675 I was just like, 280 00:21:01,717 --> 00:21:04,157 "This is the biggest beauty company in the world 281 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,400 and they wanna work with me, 282 00:21:05,441 --> 00:21:08,281 and I haven't seen many trans people 283 00:21:08,324 --> 00:21:10,724 in beauty campaigns." 284 00:21:10,767 --> 00:21:15,287 We shot the campaign in Paris. It was a real out-of-body experience. 285 00:21:15,331 --> 00:21:19,171 Not many people know that it was trans women of colour 286 00:21:19,215 --> 00:21:20,695 that fought for gay rights, 287 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:22,497 that started the Stonewall riots, 288 00:21:22,539 --> 00:21:27,499 which eventually led to the gay rights movement. 289 00:21:27,544 --> 00:21:31,344 Because we are all worth it. 290 00:21:31,388 --> 00:21:35,588 But as great as the opportunity was, 291 00:21:35,632 --> 00:21:37,992 the takedown was ten times worse. 292 00:21:41,077 --> 00:21:43,557 Saying what you really feel 293 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,720 and being who you really are 294 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:48,362 can get you into a lot of trouble. 295 00:21:48,405 --> 00:21:51,005 One person is dead and 19 are injured 296 00:21:51,048 --> 00:21:53,248 after a speeding vehicle drove into protesters 297 00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:56,090 marching peacefully through downtown Charlottesville. 298 00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:58,053 This comes after a day of clashes 299 00:21:58,095 --> 00:22:00,575 between alt-right protesters and counter-demonstrators 300 00:22:00,617 --> 00:22:02,777 earlier this morning. 301 00:22:15,833 --> 00:22:18,673 Munroe Bergdorf reportedly posted this on Facebook: 302 00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:20,076 "Honestly I don't have energy 303 00:22:20,117 --> 00:22:21,477 to talk about the racial violence 304 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,239 of white people any more. 305 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Yes, all white people." 306 00:22:24,882 --> 00:22:27,362 Those are the words which saw model Munroe Bergdorf 307 00:22:27,405 --> 00:22:28,685 sacked by L'Oréal. 308 00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:30,046 The cosmetic giant said 309 00:22:30,087 --> 00:22:31,927 Bergdorf's comments were, quote, 310 00:22:31,969 --> 00:22:34,529 "At odds with the company's values." 311 00:22:44,142 --> 00:22:47,062 It really forced me to fight for myself 312 00:22:47,105 --> 00:22:50,665 in a way that I had never fought for myself before. 313 00:22:50,708 --> 00:22:52,028 "All white people are racist." 314 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:53,990 As a white person I find that offensive. 315 00:22:54,032 --> 00:22:55,312 Please let me speak. 316 00:22:55,353 --> 00:22:58,153 You must have known when you wrote 317 00:22:58,196 --> 00:23:00,876 your very public Facebook post 318 00:23:00,919 --> 00:23:05,039 just how sensitive those words were going to be. 319 00:23:05,083 --> 00:23:08,123 You seem to think that white people are uniquely evil. 320 00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:10,126 - I'm talking about society. - No, no. You said, 321 00:23:10,168 --> 00:23:13,888 "Whites are the most violent and oppressive people." 322 00:23:13,932 --> 00:23:15,652 "Honestly, I don't have the energy 323 00:23:15,694 --> 00:23:16,974 to talk about racial violence 324 00:23:17,015 --> 00:23:18,855 of white people any more. 325 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:20,657 Yes, all white people." 326 00:23:20,699 --> 00:23:22,899 Do you think that all white people are racist? 327 00:23:22,941 --> 00:23:27,541 I don't think that all white people are, by nature, racist. 328 00:23:27,586 --> 00:23:29,626 Um, from conception to birth, 329 00:23:29,668 --> 00:23:32,228 I think that we are all the same, 330 00:23:32,271 --> 00:23:35,231 but we need to speak about how we're socialised as a people, 331 00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:38,034 and my post was based 332 00:23:38,076 --> 00:23:41,876 on socialisation and racism as a structure. 333 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,400 You say there's a context to the comments that you made. 334 00:23:44,443 --> 00:23:47,923 I was angry and I think everybody was angry at that point, 335 00:23:47,967 --> 00:23:50,287 but I wrote it because I wanted to talk about 336 00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:52,049 where the root of racism is. 337 00:23:52,091 --> 00:23:54,371 I suppose the trouble people have with it 338 00:23:54,413 --> 00:23:56,213 is the accusatory nature of it. 339 00:23:56,255 --> 00:23:59,335 It's only accusatory because I'm not a white man. 340 00:23:59,378 --> 00:24:02,738 The only reason why that status got the traction that it did 341 00:24:02,782 --> 00:24:05,342 is because it was such a scandal 342 00:24:05,384 --> 00:24:09,664 that a Black transgender queer woman spoke up against racism. 343 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:13,629 The response that I've had over the last two days 344 00:24:13,673 --> 00:24:16,833 has been the worst time of my life. 345 00:24:19,198 --> 00:24:20,838 All hell broke loose. 346 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Somehow I'm the problem for speaking about the problem, 347 00:24:25,765 --> 00:24:30,325 and I was suddenly responsible for racism against white people, 348 00:24:30,370 --> 00:24:34,370 for talking about racism against Black people. 349 00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:44,262 People threaten to kill you. 350 00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:48,464 I had people saying that they were gonna break into my house, 351 00:24:48,508 --> 00:24:51,988 they knew where I lived, they were gonna cut my head off and fuck my skull. 352 00:24:52,032 --> 00:24:55,032 Politicians drumming up hate towards me. 353 00:24:55,075 --> 00:25:00,075 I had news stations dedicating entire segments 354 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,560 to what an awful person I was 355 00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:05,842 for speaking out against racism, essentially. 356 00:25:05,886 --> 00:25:07,086 It was scary. 357 00:25:08,849 --> 00:25:11,049 I don't have words... 358 00:25:18,539 --> 00:25:20,579 You immediately came out after you were fired 359 00:25:20,621 --> 00:25:23,701 with all the stuff about all the insults you've had and so on and so on. 360 00:25:23,744 --> 00:25:25,824 Of course you're going to get insulted. 361 00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:28,106 Now you're playing your old trick of being the victim. 362 00:25:49,851 --> 00:25:54,331 I'm an ideology, I'm a nightmare, I'm a joke. 363 00:25:57,378 --> 00:26:00,778 My whole world implodes. 364 00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:05,784 I didn't feel lovable. 365 00:26:05,827 --> 00:26:08,867 Why would anybody want to be with someone 366 00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:11,750 who's being dragged through the mud in the press 367 00:26:11,793 --> 00:26:14,473 every single day? 368 00:26:14,516 --> 00:26:19,156 I felt undatable and didn't feel like I deserved Ava's love 369 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,960 and I just couldn't accept it. 370 00:26:21,002 --> 00:26:23,642 I didn't feel like I had anything to give her 371 00:26:23,685 --> 00:26:26,765 and she felt quite neglected. 372 00:26:27,609 --> 00:26:29,409 So we broke up. 373 00:26:32,854 --> 00:26:34,974 I just shut down. 374 00:26:41,463 --> 00:26:44,623 I... I don't think I've ever felt like... 375 00:26:47,709 --> 00:26:49,669 like just so on my own. 376 00:26:49,711 --> 00:26:53,231 It was, uh... But, like, not just so on my own. 377 00:26:53,275 --> 00:26:56,235 It was like... 378 00:26:56,278 --> 00:27:00,958 I just felt like my life just didn't... didn't matter. 379 00:27:01,003 --> 00:27:02,603 It was just... 380 00:27:06,969 --> 00:27:09,809 It was like I couldn't be pushed far enough. 381 00:27:19,181 --> 00:27:25,181 I'm susceptible to a good debate and a clip came up... 382 00:27:26,309 --> 00:27:28,589 and I was really struck by it. 383 00:27:29,712 --> 00:27:31,912 I felt she was relentlessly 384 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:33,474 having to defend herself. 385 00:27:33,516 --> 00:27:35,116 Let me speak instead of speaking over me. 386 00:27:35,158 --> 00:27:36,718 The floor is yours. - Okay. 387 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,519 So, basically, instead of taking it personally, 388 00:27:39,562 --> 00:27:41,362 please think about how to be part of the solution... 389 00:27:41,404 --> 00:27:43,524 Why don't you think about being part of the solution? 390 00:27:43,566 --> 00:27:45,566 - I am part of the solution. - You're not. You're causing more division. 391 00:27:45,608 --> 00:27:48,608 - I'm not causing more division. - You're basically causing more division... 392 00:27:48,651 --> 00:27:51,251 - Piers, by speaking about... - ...by telling all white people... 393 00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,734 - Piers, let me speak. - ...they're racist. 394 00:27:53,777 --> 00:27:56,337 By talking about racism is not causing a divide. 395 00:27:56,379 --> 00:27:58,859 There's a divide anyway. We need to be speaking about 396 00:27:58,902 --> 00:28:02,422 what the root of racism, what the root of sexism is. 397 00:28:02,465 --> 00:28:05,105 Just thought, "Fucking hell, she's amazing." 398 00:28:05,148 --> 00:28:09,468 I love how she handled herself in that. 399 00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:14,633 What I thought I saw was a fragile superstar in waiting. 400 00:28:17,481 --> 00:28:19,641 He said, "Kim, you've got to check out this woman. 401 00:28:19,683 --> 00:28:20,963 She's incredible." 402 00:28:23,847 --> 00:28:25,807 I sent her this email, 403 00:28:25,849 --> 00:28:29,649 "I'd really love to chat to you about managing you." 404 00:28:29,693 --> 00:28:34,693 To have somebody see and believe me 405 00:28:34,738 --> 00:28:41,778 and want to help and nurture and guide, it felt right. 406 00:28:41,826 --> 00:28:45,826 We met in a coffee shop and, um... 407 00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:48,350 She kind of stopped me from talking and said, 408 00:28:48,392 --> 00:28:50,112 "I would like to work with you, 409 00:28:50,154 --> 00:28:52,874 so shall we just talk about what we're gonna do?" 410 00:28:52,917 --> 00:28:58,797 For me personally, it was quite intimidating. 411 00:28:58,843 --> 00:29:01,563 I hadn't managed anybody like that before, 412 00:29:01,606 --> 00:29:07,326 somebody so smart, so incredibly driven, 413 00:29:07,372 --> 00:29:10,932 but where there was so much at stake. 414 00:29:10,975 --> 00:29:12,255 You don't need to put up with racism. 415 00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:13,897 Does it help that Kanye West... 416 00:29:13,938 --> 00:29:16,138 She could do nothing right 417 00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:17,620 in the eyes of the media, 418 00:29:17,662 --> 00:29:19,302 because every time she raised her head 419 00:29:19,344 --> 00:29:20,744 above the parapet, 420 00:29:20,785 --> 00:29:22,745 someone was ready to just knock her 421 00:29:22,787 --> 00:29:24,387 straight back down again. 422 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,869 The NSPCC has ended its relationship 423 00:29:26,911 --> 00:29:29,471 with transgender activist Munroe Bergdorf, 424 00:29:29,514 --> 00:29:31,354 following safeguarding concerns. 425 00:29:31,396 --> 00:29:33,036 This is the third time now 426 00:29:33,078 --> 00:29:37,078 that you've been removed from a very public role. 427 00:29:37,122 --> 00:29:38,762 What do you think is behind that? 428 00:29:38,803 --> 00:29:41,603 Transphobia. It's not just me. 429 00:29:41,646 --> 00:29:43,726 Being a trans person in the UK at the moment 430 00:29:43,769 --> 00:29:45,489 is like being a second-class citizen. 431 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:47,490 So explain what you meant by, 432 00:29:47,532 --> 00:29:49,012 "If you lop off your dick and wear a dress, 433 00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:50,574 doesn't make you a fucking woman." 434 00:29:50,616 --> 00:29:52,096 Well, it doesn't make you a fucking woman. 435 00:29:52,137 --> 00:29:53,857 It makes you a man without a cock. 436 00:29:53,899 --> 00:29:56,499 Let me put that to you. Munroe... 437 00:29:56,542 --> 00:30:00,742 The fact is that we exist and that we deserve respect 438 00:30:00,786 --> 00:30:03,106 just like anybody else, which... 439 00:30:03,148 --> 00:30:05,748 ...Germaine is obviously not willing to give. 440 00:30:05,791 --> 00:30:08,951 Munroe, can you talk us through your stage of transitioning? 441 00:30:08,994 --> 00:30:10,514 Um... 442 00:30:10,556 --> 00:30:14,196 - What procedures have you had? - What procedure? 443 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,920 We knew that Munroe didn't want 444 00:30:16,962 --> 00:30:20,602 to just be paraded around on these shows 445 00:30:20,646 --> 00:30:24,726 and panels and news bits to just repeat what she'd said. 446 00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:26,210 She wanted much more for herself. 447 00:30:26,252 --> 00:30:28,492 She was much more ambitious than that, 448 00:30:28,534 --> 00:30:30,694 and we were for her. 449 00:30:33,819 --> 00:30:36,179 - Hi. - Hello. 450 00:30:36,222 --> 00:30:38,622 Do you wanna come over? I'm just having a fitting. 451 00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:41,104 But it's just all of, like, the outfit options 452 00:30:41,147 --> 00:30:43,507 for, like, GAY TIMES. 453 00:30:44,751 --> 00:30:46,471 Ooh! Well done! 454 00:30:46,512 --> 00:30:48,312 Yeah, with like, um... 455 00:30:48,354 --> 00:30:50,034 This is really nice. It's got a nice strip... 456 00:30:50,076 --> 00:30:52,036 - What size is that? - 10 to 12. 457 00:30:52,078 --> 00:30:57,038 It was like, I'm not willing to live a life broken, 458 00:30:57,083 --> 00:30:59,843 and I'm definitely not gonna live a life broken 459 00:30:59,886 --> 00:31:01,686 for these arseholes, 460 00:31:01,728 --> 00:31:04,128 so I think the only option 461 00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:07,010 is to pick myself up and thrive and shine 462 00:31:07,053 --> 00:31:13,293 and be the most optimum version of myself. 463 00:31:17,304 --> 00:31:18,304 Love it. 464 00:31:18,345 --> 00:31:19,705 What we want is 465 00:31:19,746 --> 00:31:22,186 to help and to guide 466 00:31:22,229 --> 00:31:24,789 and to support. 467 00:31:24,831 --> 00:31:27,631 She had goals she wanted to reach 468 00:31:27,674 --> 00:31:31,234 and we had to together figure out the best way to get there. 469 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,760 Her goal within that was to be on the cover ofVogue. 470 00:31:37,805 --> 00:31:41,045 That's what she'd dreamt about since being a kid 471 00:31:41,088 --> 00:31:42,768 and hiding them under her bed. 472 00:31:44,652 --> 00:31:46,012 We always said to Munroe 473 00:31:46,053 --> 00:31:50,093 to move into this fashion world, 474 00:31:50,137 --> 00:31:54,497 she needed to sort of build her own brand. 475 00:31:59,707 --> 00:32:03,507 Munroe's passion really lay in activism 476 00:32:03,551 --> 00:32:05,231 and within fashion, 477 00:32:05,273 --> 00:32:09,073 and she wanted to be able to combine the two 478 00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:12,516 to really amplify her voice. 479 00:32:18,886 --> 00:32:20,966 The train just needs taking out. 480 00:32:21,009 --> 00:32:24,209 I'm gonna try and do this as quick as I can anyway. 481 00:32:24,252 --> 00:32:26,492 It's such a pressure of people not believing 482 00:32:26,534 --> 00:32:28,854 that you were actually a woman... 483 00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:35,539 unless you look so undeniable. 484 00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:43,709 And when that's the condition 485 00:32:43,752 --> 00:32:48,192 of you being believed to be who you are... 486 00:32:48,236 --> 00:32:52,236 then your defence is, "Well, I'm gonna double down", 487 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,320 and I guess that kind of stuck. 488 00:32:54,362 --> 00:32:56,442 I guess it's like armour. 489 00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:04,810 I could just turn up to my engagements without any make-up on 490 00:33:04,853 --> 00:33:07,653 and my hair pulled back in braids like I want to, 491 00:33:07,696 --> 00:33:11,456 and it wouldn't be a thing, and I used to, 492 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:15,780 but you just get so, so bashed. 493 00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:23,749 I love to just be, like, in sweats all the time, 494 00:33:23,792 --> 00:33:26,912 but, like, I guess that's not the image that I portray of myself 495 00:33:26,956 --> 00:33:29,356 because I kind of feel like it's vulnerable 496 00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:31,718 and it's, like, really me. 497 00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:41,929 I feel like I can take people 498 00:33:41,971 --> 00:33:44,731 taking shots at the put-together version of me 499 00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:47,214 'cause it's not really real. 500 00:33:51,701 --> 00:33:53,221 I struggle 'cause I think, 501 00:33:53,262 --> 00:33:55,262 "Is that why I look the way that I look? 502 00:33:55,304 --> 00:33:59,064 Is that why I'm so hyper-fem with my presentation 503 00:33:59,108 --> 00:34:02,188 because it's a defence mechanism?" 504 00:34:06,196 --> 00:34:08,196 It's got nothing to do with my womanhood 505 00:34:08,238 --> 00:34:09,758 because I'm a woman regardless. 506 00:34:09,799 --> 00:34:15,199 It's about keeping people at arm's length. 507 00:34:15,245 --> 00:34:18,285 And I feel like if they were to tear apart the vulnerable version, 508 00:34:18,328 --> 00:34:20,888 then I wouldn't really have anything left. 509 00:34:31,021 --> 00:34:34,181 We got opportunities with people 510 00:34:34,224 --> 00:34:37,544 who were prepared to embrace all of Munroe. 511 00:34:37,587 --> 00:34:39,707 A lot of it was in her own community, 512 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:44,030 but it started to trickle out quite quickly. 513 00:34:44,074 --> 00:34:49,954 Sometimes it happens where everything aligns, 514 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,680 and this was her time. 515 00:34:55,566 --> 00:35:00,566 Britain, what a year it's been. What a decade. 516 00:35:00,611 --> 00:35:04,451 We've come so far, fought so fiercely, 517 00:35:04,495 --> 00:35:08,415 and reshaped the world to include us in it. 518 00:35:08,459 --> 00:35:14,859 Celebrating all queer bodies, no matter what form they may take. 519 00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:18,145 Long live our Qweens. 520 00:35:18,189 --> 00:35:20,149 She went full force 521 00:35:20,191 --> 00:35:22,991 and achieved far greater 522 00:35:23,034 --> 00:35:25,554 than I think any of us could have predicted. 523 00:35:25,596 --> 00:35:29,196 There was lots of accolades to be celebrated 524 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,880 but also a hell of a lot of communication 525 00:35:33,925 --> 00:35:37,285 surrounding the trans community, the Black community. 526 00:35:37,328 --> 00:35:42,728 It was a lot, but it was a hugely exciting time for Munroe. 527 00:35:42,774 --> 00:35:44,334 Munroe is... 528 00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:46,895 ...a person who constantly challenges 529 00:35:46,938 --> 00:35:48,818 prejudice and injustice. 530 00:35:51,903 --> 00:35:55,503 Munroe Bergdorf! 531 00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:58,669 We show up for us. 532 00:35:58,710 --> 00:36:00,430 It is my absolute honour 533 00:36:00,472 --> 00:36:02,072 to present Munroe Bergdorf 534 00:36:02,113 --> 00:36:05,353 for the honorary degree of Doctor of Letters 535 00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:06,877 of the University of Brighton. 536 00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:18,889 Munroe Bergdorf named byBritish Vogue 537 00:36:18,931 --> 00:36:22,491 as one of the 25 most influential women 538 00:36:22,534 --> 00:36:24,454 in the country. 539 00:36:24,496 --> 00:36:27,456 She's been named among 100 Great Black Britons. 540 00:36:27,499 --> 00:36:28,659 The first transgender woman 541 00:36:28,701 --> 00:36:31,661 to be on the front cover of Cosmopolitan UK. 542 00:36:31,704 --> 00:36:34,104 Let's bring that back to South Africa. 543 00:36:34,146 --> 00:36:38,426 What's the significance of Munroe Bergdorf? 544 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:41,150 The significance is that the moment you now have 545 00:36:41,193 --> 00:36:42,593 a trans woman on a front cover, 546 00:36:42,635 --> 00:36:44,715 you are validating our existence. 547 00:36:51,123 --> 00:36:53,643 I just received a voice note 548 00:36:53,686 --> 00:36:57,606 telling me that I'm gonna be on the cover ofBritish Vogue. 549 00:36:59,852 --> 00:37:03,532 What? 550 00:37:03,576 --> 00:37:08,536 I thinkBritish Vogue is the pinnacle of everything 551 00:37:08,581 --> 00:37:12,821 that I never thought that I would ever get to achieve. 552 00:37:14,547 --> 00:37:17,187 This feels like a dream. 553 00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:22,070 To be part of this cover, if I'd seen this growing up, 554 00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:24,795 I just think it would have been so empowering to see 555 00:37:24,838 --> 00:37:28,798 that queerness can take on so many forms. 556 00:37:43,016 --> 00:37:48,136 It started to feel like things falling into place. 557 00:37:48,782 --> 00:37:50,102 - Hello. - Hello! 558 00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:53,423 A big part was that I no longer felt like 559 00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:56,587 I was doing it alone. 560 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:58,110 Everyone needs allies, 561 00:37:58,152 --> 00:38:02,632 and my allies are Justin and Kim. 562 00:38:04,158 --> 00:38:07,678 - That's me. - Oh, it is you. Oh, right. Oh, my God! 563 00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:11,161 I couldn't even tell. Because her head's not in it. 564 00:38:11,205 --> 00:38:14,285 - Her head's not in it. - That'll be me. 565 00:38:14,328 --> 00:38:16,488 The trans fight is an important fight 566 00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:19,130 that affects all of us. 567 00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:23,013 Especially as a straight, white, cisgender guy, 568 00:38:23,057 --> 00:38:27,057 it's really important for me to help fight those battles. 569 00:38:27,101 --> 00:38:30,141 And for Munroe, the next thing she wanted to do 570 00:38:30,184 --> 00:38:32,184 was to write her book. 571 00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:38,629 As a trans person, as a queer person, 572 00:38:38,673 --> 00:38:40,193 I wanted to be able to tell my story 573 00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:44,714 because the shame that I felt throughout my life 574 00:38:44,759 --> 00:38:46,279 was so isolating 575 00:38:46,321 --> 00:38:48,761 and I needed to get that pain out. 576 00:38:51,206 --> 00:38:55,246 Munroe was about to step into writing something 577 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:59,010 that would take her to the absolute depths. 578 00:38:59,054 --> 00:39:01,014 It was potentially gonna put Munroe 579 00:39:01,056 --> 00:39:05,176 in an incredibly vulnerable headspace, 580 00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:07,420 and we had to prepare for that. 581 00:39:11,586 --> 00:39:15,066 I had an immense amount of trauma 582 00:39:15,110 --> 00:39:16,710 that I hadn't been acknowledging 583 00:39:16,752 --> 00:39:19,712 and I was just in a hamster wheel, 584 00:39:19,755 --> 00:39:22,395 going and going and going and going, 585 00:39:22,437 --> 00:39:28,597 and the trauma was right there this whole time. 586 00:39:28,644 --> 00:39:31,404 When you look at your life on pages 587 00:39:31,446 --> 00:39:33,126 and you can join all the dots together, 588 00:39:33,168 --> 00:39:36,808 you start to understand yourself in a different way. 589 00:39:43,379 --> 00:39:46,059 Perfect. Okey doke. Lights up. 590 00:39:48,143 --> 00:39:51,463 We're filmingQueerpiphany. 591 00:39:51,507 --> 00:39:53,947 - Oh, yes, baby, we're talking queer. - Oh! 592 00:39:53,989 --> 00:39:55,629 - We're talking epiphanies. - Love it. 593 00:39:55,671 --> 00:39:58,391 We're talking Queerpiphany! 594 00:39:58,434 --> 00:39:59,914 I love a mashed-together word. 595 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,799 Gay rights! 596 00:40:09,005 --> 00:40:13,605 Tayce and I have a show for MTV UK. 597 00:40:13,649 --> 00:40:16,209 I never thought that I would see 598 00:40:16,252 --> 00:40:19,532 a Black trans woman and a Black drag queen 599 00:40:19,575 --> 00:40:22,135 not be the sidekick. 600 00:40:26,583 --> 00:40:27,863 Ooh. 601 00:40:31,347 --> 00:40:34,147 That's a lawsuit. 602 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,990 Yeah, this is a very joyful show. 603 00:40:37,033 --> 00:40:38,913 Obviously, we touch on adversity, 604 00:40:38,955 --> 00:40:42,635 but the main crux of it is really just having fun. 605 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,559 Gonna get ya. 606 00:40:46,603 --> 00:40:49,603 Tayce and I are interviewing 607 00:40:49,646 --> 00:40:52,446 queer icons, public figures, 608 00:40:52,489 --> 00:40:55,449 about the moments in pop culture 609 00:40:55,492 --> 00:40:56,852 that helped them understand 610 00:40:56,893 --> 00:40:59,253 their queerness and their identity. 611 00:40:59,296 --> 00:41:03,576 I kind of think about when I was, you know, in my teens 612 00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:04,940 and I knew I was trans, 613 00:41:04,982 --> 00:41:08,222 but I didn't really pick up on the clues. 614 00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:09,545 And then your life just needs 615 00:41:09,586 --> 00:41:11,226 to kind of take its turn, doesn't it? 616 00:41:11,268 --> 00:41:13,748 And you look back and you're like, "Okay, well, I mean, 617 00:41:13,791 --> 00:41:15,551 this is what was meant to happen all along." 618 00:41:15,592 --> 00:41:17,632 I always think maybe I did know 619 00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:19,355 and I just didn't wanna acknowledge it at all. 620 00:41:19,396 --> 00:41:22,076 I think if I hadn't moved down to London, 621 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,839 I don't know how quickly I would have noticed... 622 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:28,962 There you go. London turns everyone queer. 623 00:41:29,006 --> 00:41:32,286 London, then, needs to be cancelled next, guys. 624 00:41:37,054 --> 00:41:39,294 MAKE-UP ARTIST: How's it going with the book? 625 00:41:39,337 --> 00:41:41,697 It... I just... I don't even know 626 00:41:41,739 --> 00:41:46,179 how I've managed to get it to this point. 627 00:41:46,224 --> 00:41:51,824 Yeah, oh, my God, just getting this book fucking in, 628 00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:53,549 I'm just, oh... 629 00:41:53,591 --> 00:41:55,991 Everyone's always like, "But isn't it cathartic?" 630 00:41:56,034 --> 00:41:57,714 when I talk to them about this book. 631 00:41:57,755 --> 00:41:59,235 - What does that mean? - And it's like, "No." 632 00:41:59,277 --> 00:42:03,277 It means, like, doesn't it help you get your feelings out? 633 00:42:03,321 --> 00:42:05,001 Oh. And you said it made you feel worse. 634 00:42:05,043 --> 00:42:06,603 I feel like it's made me feel worse. 635 00:42:06,644 --> 00:42:09,404 - It's been really tough. - Yeah. 636 00:42:12,010 --> 00:42:13,810 Reading it back, I'm like, "How... 637 00:42:13,852 --> 00:42:19,452 How did I claw myself to this point?" 638 00:42:25,263 --> 00:42:28,103 Writing this book's confronting, 639 00:42:28,146 --> 00:42:31,746 like I had a mirror held up to me for the first time 640 00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:33,630 and I could no longer deny 641 00:42:33,672 --> 00:42:36,472 what I'd been denying for so long. 642 00:42:36,515 --> 00:42:39,155 An immense amount of pain. 643 00:42:40,999 --> 00:42:45,359 Are people going to understand or are they going to blame me? 644 00:42:45,404 --> 00:42:48,124 Because I blamed myself. 645 00:42:48,167 --> 00:42:52,167 In this book, I started to realise how much I do that. 646 00:42:53,973 --> 00:42:57,333 It's your fault that you ended up in abusive relationships. 647 00:42:57,376 --> 00:42:59,816 It was your fault that you were on the internet, 648 00:42:59,859 --> 00:43:02,859 exposing yourself to paedophiles, 649 00:43:02,902 --> 00:43:06,222 and it was your fault that you were hooking up with somebody 650 00:43:06,265 --> 00:43:09,665 who was making child pornography of you. 651 00:43:16,235 --> 00:43:20,075 I guess, like, I just, you know, I really just wanted to be loved 652 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:24,279 and I guess I looked... I looked for that in the wrong places. 653 00:43:24,323 --> 00:43:28,683 It's easy to end up with people who will manipulate 654 00:43:28,728 --> 00:43:32,248 that desperation and that loneliness. 655 00:43:35,134 --> 00:43:37,774 And you end up chasing it 656 00:43:37,817 --> 00:43:41,537 because you are love-bombed initially 657 00:43:43,062 --> 00:43:45,702 and promised the world, 658 00:43:45,745 --> 00:43:47,945 and then, slowly but surely, 659 00:43:47,987 --> 00:43:51,307 you're isolated from your friends. 660 00:43:51,351 --> 00:43:53,871 You're controlled. You're told what to wear. 661 00:43:53,914 --> 00:43:56,114 You're cut off from your parents. 662 00:43:56,156 --> 00:43:57,876 You're told that your parents don't love you. 663 00:43:57,918 --> 00:44:00,038 You're told that no one else will love you 664 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000 apart from this person. 665 00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:06,162 And before you know it, they've got you. 666 00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:14,010 I've been in the most abusive of situations. 667 00:44:14,054 --> 00:44:17,294 I've been violently raped. I've been stalked. 668 00:44:18,138 --> 00:44:21,098 I've been harassed. 669 00:44:21,141 --> 00:44:24,261 I've been dehumanised, been beaten. 670 00:44:31,592 --> 00:44:35,952 I wanna live a life where I can free myself of all of the pain, 671 00:44:35,996 --> 00:44:41,156 but it's hard enough revisiting my own worst experiences, 672 00:44:41,202 --> 00:44:43,802 never mind knowing that I'm doing this 673 00:44:43,844 --> 00:44:46,124 on behalf of so many others. 674 00:45:05,026 --> 00:45:08,666 At that time, theVogue cover hit the stands 675 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:12,470 and we felt like we'd won. 676 00:45:12,513 --> 00:45:16,153 But at the same time, there was absolutely no denying 677 00:45:16,197 --> 00:45:20,717 what was going on societally with trans rights. 678 00:45:20,762 --> 00:45:22,962 Should Ricky Gervais be allowed to go on stage 679 00:45:23,004 --> 00:45:26,004 and take the mick out of the LGBTQ+ community? 680 00:45:26,047 --> 00:45:27,567 'Cause that's what he's been doing. 681 00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:29,889 I love the new women. I know they're new women. 682 00:45:29,931 --> 00:45:31,131 They're great, aren't they? 683 00:45:31,172 --> 00:45:32,492 The new ones we've been seeing lately, 684 00:45:32,534 --> 00:45:34,454 the ones with beards and . 685 00:45:34,496 --> 00:45:37,176 They're as good as... 686 00:45:37,219 --> 00:45:39,259 They're as good as gold. I love them. 687 00:45:39,301 --> 00:45:41,781 Personally, I think yes, he should be able to. 688 00:45:41,823 --> 00:45:44,263 If they wanna be treated equally, he attacks everyone. 689 00:45:44,306 --> 00:45:46,346 Around a hundred people have protested 690 00:45:46,388 --> 00:45:49,068 outside Netflix headquarters in California 691 00:45:49,111 --> 00:45:52,151 over the broadcast of a comedy special by Dave Chapelle 692 00:45:52,194 --> 00:45:53,794 which they say is transphobic. 693 00:45:53,836 --> 00:45:55,196 I, personally, am not afraid 694 00:45:55,237 --> 00:45:57,037 of other people's freedom of expression. 695 00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,159 I'm sorry if I hurt anybody, 696 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,000 et cetera, et cetera, yada-yada-ya. 697 00:46:00,042 --> 00:46:01,842 Everything I'm supposed to say. 698 00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:06,444 There was huge backward steps going on, 699 00:46:06,488 --> 00:46:08,288 socially and politically. 700 00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:10,810 I'm a plain-talking Yorkshire woman, 701 00:46:10,853 --> 00:46:16,093 and I know that a woman is a woman. 702 00:46:16,138 --> 00:46:18,778 In the UK alone, we've had Naomi Hersi, 703 00:46:18,821 --> 00:46:20,381 for example, who was murdered last year, 704 00:46:20,423 --> 00:46:22,743 Amy Griffiths a few months ago as well, 705 00:46:22,785 --> 00:46:26,705 so these attacks are real and actual. 706 00:46:26,749 --> 00:46:29,269 2022 could be the most anti-trans 707 00:46:29,312 --> 00:46:31,432 legislative year in history. 708 00:46:31,474 --> 00:46:33,994 Uganda's parliament has passed a bill 709 00:46:34,036 --> 00:46:38,356 which would criminalise people who identify as LGBTQ. 710 00:46:38,401 --> 00:46:40,481 Homosexual acts are already illegal 711 00:46:40,523 --> 00:46:42,203 in the East African country, 712 00:46:42,245 --> 00:46:44,285 but the bill seeks to go further 713 00:46:44,327 --> 00:46:45,767 and criminalise people 714 00:46:45,808 --> 00:46:48,008 on the basis of their sexual identity. 715 00:46:48,051 --> 00:46:50,851 For us, this means death. 716 00:46:50,894 --> 00:46:52,774 Munroe was now a global voice 717 00:46:52,816 --> 00:46:56,856 and expected to speak on behalf of the community. 718 00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:01,420 And her mental health was being affected a lot. 719 00:47:01,464 --> 00:47:03,024 It was incredibly overwhelming. 720 00:47:03,066 --> 00:47:05,306 There was a hell of a lot of pressure. 721 00:47:05,348 --> 00:47:07,108 And we had concerns. 722 00:47:09,312 --> 00:47:11,392 Also, writing this book, 723 00:47:11,434 --> 00:47:14,394 it was just everything all at once. 724 00:47:14,438 --> 00:47:20,038 The government must die! 725 00:47:20,083 --> 00:47:24,523 This was a lot for one person to handle. 726 00:47:31,135 --> 00:47:33,735 It was really beginning to affect Munroe 727 00:47:33,777 --> 00:47:35,617 physically as well as mentally 728 00:47:35,659 --> 00:47:38,419 and we were really worried about her. 729 00:47:48,752 --> 00:47:51,392 - Munroe? - Munroe. 730 00:47:54,999 --> 00:47:57,159 How I feel about public speaking 731 00:47:57,201 --> 00:48:00,561 largely depends on what's going on in my personal life. 732 00:48:00,604 --> 00:48:03,604 I often think, "Am I gonna be able to deliver?" 733 00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:04,848 Right. 734 00:48:08,412 --> 00:48:11,932 I don't know what I'm saying on stage. 735 00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:15,416 - Shall we go in a quiet corner? - Yes, please. 736 00:48:19,384 --> 00:48:23,064 I'm just pleased that you're here and you are on the stage, Munroe. 737 00:48:23,107 --> 00:48:29,467 - No, I'm up for it. I'm really up for it. - Yeah. 738 00:48:29,514 --> 00:48:34,274 Being the first transperson to achieve certain things 739 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:37,159 can weigh quite heavy 'cause you're like, 740 00:48:37,202 --> 00:48:38,922 "I need to get this right." 741 00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:52,693 And there's a lot of spectators watching. 742 00:49:03,228 --> 00:49:07,548 It makes me feel like I am on a rollercoaster 743 00:49:07,593 --> 00:49:12,313 and it's just going up and up and up. 744 00:49:15,561 --> 00:49:19,321 ...model, activist, Munroe Bergdorf. 745 00:49:19,365 --> 00:49:24,245 Give it up for Munroe. 746 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:27,530 Hello, Pride in London. 747 00:49:27,573 --> 00:49:31,693 It's so good to be here today. Thank you so much for having me. 748 00:49:34,460 --> 00:49:37,140 This year's theme is "All Our Pride" 749 00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:39,743 and Pride is for all of us. 750 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:48,390 Words just stopped coming out of my mouth. 751 00:50:10,897 --> 00:50:12,577 At Pride... 752 00:50:14,301 --> 00:50:16,381 the mask just started to slip. 753 00:50:36,924 --> 00:50:41,204 Tonight's honouree is a crucial voice in the trans community, 754 00:50:41,248 --> 00:50:45,568 using her far-reaching influence to educate and inspire. 755 00:50:45,612 --> 00:50:47,492 The winner of the GAY TIMESHonour 756 00:50:47,534 --> 00:50:49,694 for British Community Trailblazer, 757 00:50:49,737 --> 00:50:50,617 Munroe Bergdorf. 758 00:50:55,262 --> 00:50:57,982 For... 759 00:50:58,025 --> 00:51:00,265 For four or five years, 760 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:06,347 I've really tried my hardest to be a beacon for my community, 761 00:51:06,394 --> 00:51:11,194 and over the last six months I've really struggled 762 00:51:11,238 --> 00:51:14,638 with my mental health and... 763 00:51:19,607 --> 00:51:23,647 And then it was around this time 764 00:51:23,691 --> 00:51:27,451 that I found out that Ava had passed away. 765 00:51:58,927 --> 00:52:00,847 Hey, I've literally just heard. 766 00:52:00,889 --> 00:52:04,889 Um, I really hope you're okay. 767 00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:07,293 Yeah, message me if you can, if you're up to it. 768 00:52:07,336 --> 00:52:08,696 Just sending lots of love. 769 00:52:10,299 --> 00:52:12,819 Hey, M, if you wanna talk, I'm here. 770 00:52:12,861 --> 00:52:16,901 Just letting you know. Um, just give me a shout. 771 00:52:16,945 --> 00:52:18,785 Hey, sis. 772 00:52:18,827 --> 00:52:21,027 I tried to call you, but you didn't answer. 773 00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:24,350 Can you holla me back so I know that you're doing good, please? 774 00:52:24,393 --> 00:52:27,033 So we're clearing the diary for the next couple of weeks, 775 00:52:27,076 --> 00:52:31,476 and let's maybe rethink Fashion Week and New York. 776 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,280 Babe, 777 00:52:33,322 --> 00:52:35,722 give me some communication so I know you're doing okay. 778 00:52:35,764 --> 00:52:39,764 I know how you get, you might not wanna talk about it, but... 779 00:52:39,809 --> 00:52:42,129 ...when you're feeling up to it, give me a shout. 780 00:52:42,171 --> 00:52:44,371 I'm around today... 781 00:52:44,413 --> 00:52:46,773 ...so let's talk... 782 00:53:13,163 --> 00:53:17,363 When anyone passes away, if it's suicide, 783 00:53:17,407 --> 00:53:20,527 you always kind of feel like if I had done more, 784 00:53:20,570 --> 00:53:24,570 would they still be around? 785 00:53:24,614 --> 00:53:27,214 It's just difficult to hear about, like, 786 00:53:27,257 --> 00:53:30,377 how hard things were for her. 787 00:53:36,146 --> 00:53:41,346 For somebody to, like, not know how to go on with their life 788 00:53:41,391 --> 00:53:44,031 is complete and utter isolation, 789 00:53:44,074 --> 00:53:50,874 and I've been there, like, right at the brink... 790 00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:54,962 but to actually do it, 791 00:53:55,005 --> 00:53:58,805 that's just the saddest thing that I can imagine. 792 00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:03,570 And I think that it's only rivalled by the sadness 793 00:54:03,614 --> 00:54:08,694 that this leaves behind with all of the people that loved them. 794 00:54:11,021 --> 00:54:15,581 She will always be the love of my life. 795 00:54:20,351 --> 00:54:25,231 I don't think I've ever loved anyone as much as I loved her. 796 00:54:25,276 --> 00:54:29,756 I think... I don't... I... I hope I... I mean, I hope I do. 797 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,240 I hope I... I hope I meet... I hope I have many more loves. 798 00:54:34,285 --> 00:54:39,285 Because what a waste. If... If we can't love, then what's the point? 799 00:54:54,906 --> 00:54:58,506 The amount of people that I've known to die 800 00:54:58,550 --> 00:55:02,950 for various reasons... 801 00:55:02,994 --> 00:55:07,914 in just really sad, sad ways... 802 00:55:07,959 --> 00:55:10,839 and people are always like, "Oh, this person had such a sad life." 803 00:55:10,882 --> 00:55:13,522 I say, "No, we live in a fucking sad society, 804 00:55:13,565 --> 00:55:15,165 like, we live in a society 805 00:55:15,207 --> 00:55:17,967 that pushes people to kill themselves, 806 00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:21,010 that pushes families to kick out their children, 807 00:55:21,053 --> 00:55:25,293 that pushes people to hate themselves." 808 00:55:25,337 --> 00:55:27,777 And it makes me so angry, 809 00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:30,660 and that's why we need to keep fighting. 810 00:55:34,426 --> 00:55:38,826 The life expectancy for a transgender woman is so young, 811 00:55:38,871 --> 00:55:44,311 and for it to be Ava is just heartbreaking. 812 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,440 Just a friendly reminder, folks, 813 00:55:49,482 --> 00:55:51,202 that the fasten seatbelts sign is still illuminated, 814 00:55:51,243 --> 00:55:53,643 so please remain seated with your seatbelts fastened... 815 00:56:00,493 --> 00:56:02,653 I guess Ava passing 816 00:56:02,695 --> 00:56:05,855 just made me realise that I'm alive. 817 00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:12,020 I have to live, I have to keep going, 818 00:56:12,065 --> 00:56:16,785 and even though all of this shit just keeps happening, 819 00:56:16,829 --> 00:56:23,709 like, I'm alive and I make sure that I'm looking after myself. 820 00:56:23,756 --> 00:56:26,636 I just need to just not let 821 00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,119 her no longer being alive be in vain. 822 00:56:29,162 --> 00:56:33,002 I need to make sure that I'm living every day. 823 00:56:37,931 --> 00:56:43,331 Hello, sister. How are you? I hope you're good. Um... 824 00:56:43,376 --> 00:56:46,656 I wanted to send you a quick voice note to check in with you 825 00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,180 and wanted to quickly wish you 826 00:56:49,222 --> 00:56:53,222 the biggest heap of luck for walking 827 00:56:53,266 --> 00:56:59,066 and I hope you're handling everything okay mentally. 828 00:56:59,112 --> 00:57:04,472 I love you and stay strong, keep being a bad beetch. 829 00:57:07,521 --> 00:57:08,761 Aw. 830 00:57:28,502 --> 00:57:32,702 It's New York Fashion Week. We encouraged Munroe not to go. 831 00:57:32,747 --> 00:57:36,627 But it doesn't really matter how bad things are 832 00:57:36,671 --> 00:57:38,311 for her in her personal life, 833 00:57:38,352 --> 00:57:42,672 to Munroe, it's an opportunity to represent, 834 00:57:42,717 --> 00:57:46,157 and to her, that's more important. 835 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,400 We walk down and then back, and then we go again? 836 00:57:50,445 --> 00:57:52,365 Yeah, so you're doing a double loop, right? 837 00:57:52,407 --> 00:57:54,527 You're gonna hug the benches. 838 00:57:54,569 --> 00:57:57,249 You're gonna come in over here on that side. 839 00:57:57,292 --> 00:58:00,812 I think I'm just starting to get back to myself. 840 00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:08,337 Fashion gives me joy. Feeling like you're in the moment. 841 00:58:08,383 --> 00:58:11,383 The expression and the artistry. 842 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,040 I feel like I'm having a breakthrough, 843 00:58:28,083 --> 00:58:30,843 and it feels really weird 844 00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:36,406 to have it come from a really sad situation. 845 00:58:41,056 --> 00:58:47,216 It's made me realise that I can't live in fear any more. 846 00:58:49,024 --> 00:58:50,944 And there's a real opportunity here 847 00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:54,906 for me to make things better for people like Ava. 848 00:58:56,752 --> 00:58:59,912 I've decided that I want to dedicate the book to Ava, 849 00:58:59,955 --> 00:59:01,795 in memory of her. 850 00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:08,081 I'm just gonna have to live for both of us now. 851 00:59:28,424 --> 00:59:31,664 - Ah! Billy, that's, like, nearly out. - Ah, Billy, that's out! 852 00:59:31,708 --> 00:59:33,668 - Do I push it back in? - No! 853 00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:36,390 Upwards. Not to anyone. Upwards, upwards. Up. 854 00:59:36,432 --> 00:59:39,472 Whoo! I caught it! 855 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,199 - Amazing. - Yeah. Look. 856 00:59:45,241 --> 00:59:49,321 Okay, wait. I actually wanna do a speech for you. 857 00:59:49,366 --> 00:59:50,846 - Yes! - So I'm gonna stand up. 858 00:59:50,887 --> 00:59:52,807 I don't wanna look at my phone, but I have, like, 859 00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:54,689 five really tiny, small bullet points. 860 00:59:54,731 --> 00:59:56,971 - You made notes! - Not notes, just bullet points. 861 00:59:57,013 --> 00:59:59,253 - Okay, that's fine. - But I will stand. 862 00:59:59,296 --> 01:00:02,616 And you will see the Mugler. 863 01:00:02,659 --> 01:00:04,619 Um, okay. 864 01:00:04,661 --> 01:00:09,061 I really appreciate you, and it's like a heavy weight 865 01:00:09,106 --> 01:00:12,826 to be that first Black trans UK woman 866 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:14,870 and all the shit that they put on that, 867 01:00:14,912 --> 01:00:19,592 but I think that's something you should honour very deeply. 868 01:00:19,636 --> 01:00:24,956 I feel like we have to focus, even if we don't want to, 869 01:00:25,002 --> 01:00:28,562 on all the hardships that you've endured 870 01:00:28,606 --> 01:00:30,446 throughout your career and life 871 01:00:30,487 --> 01:00:33,647 because I believe that it has made you 872 01:00:33,691 --> 01:00:36,891 the woman that you are today... 873 01:00:36,934 --> 01:00:42,254 and I wanna thank you for creating my first chosen family. 874 01:00:42,299 --> 01:00:45,219 You was my first chosen sibling. 875 01:00:45,262 --> 01:00:47,462 So happy birthday, Munroe. 876 01:00:47,505 --> 01:00:49,025 - Love you. - Love you loads. 877 01:00:49,066 --> 01:00:50,706 Yeah, we love you. 878 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:58,270 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 879 01:00:58,316 --> 01:01:01,676 - Thank you. - Make a big wish. 880 01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:02,839 Don't tell us what it is, though. 881 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,960 - Oh! - All right. 882 01:01:04,002 --> 01:01:05,562 All right, be careful. 883 01:01:05,603 --> 01:01:08,443 They're sparkly ones. 884 01:01:08,486 --> 01:01:11,846 - Oh. - Oh, as if. As if. 885 01:01:11,890 --> 01:01:13,330 What am I? 12? 886 01:01:13,371 --> 01:01:15,611 There's always been a voice inside of me 887 01:01:15,653 --> 01:01:20,613 that was unsure whether or not I would make it past 35. 888 01:01:20,658 --> 01:01:24,418 So to be 36 is exciting 889 01:01:24,462 --> 01:01:27,742 because I've got so much to look forward to 890 01:01:27,786 --> 01:01:29,186 and to be grateful for. 891 01:01:29,227 --> 01:01:31,307 Yay! 892 01:01:50,008 --> 01:01:53,248 With Felix, I think it was... 893 01:01:54,413 --> 01:01:56,173 I was ready... 894 01:01:57,496 --> 01:02:00,616 and I don't think either of us really saw it coming. 895 01:02:02,101 --> 01:02:05,781 It's just been a bit of a fairy tale, to be honest, 896 01:02:05,824 --> 01:02:09,384 and I've lowered my defences and I've opened myself up 897 01:02:09,428 --> 01:02:12,908 to the possibility of love again. 898 01:02:16,515 --> 01:02:19,875 And I guess I've just been 899 01:02:19,919 --> 01:02:22,319 building my vision for the future, 900 01:02:22,361 --> 01:02:24,601 not defining myself by accomplishments 901 01:02:24,644 --> 01:02:28,964 but how good a friend I am and how good a girlfriend I am 902 01:02:29,008 --> 01:02:31,088 and, you know, who I want to be 903 01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:35,530 outside of accolades and column inches. 904 01:02:35,575 --> 01:02:38,415 I guess my entire way of viewing my life 905 01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:40,698 and who I am just shifted 906 01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:42,740 and I'm so much happier because of it. 907 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,400 This is BBC News. Our headlines. 908 01:03:03,443 --> 01:03:05,043 A 15-year-old boy and girl 909 01:03:05,085 --> 01:03:06,605 are arrested on suspicion of murder 910 01:03:06,646 --> 01:03:08,366 following the death of 16-year-old... 911 01:03:08,408 --> 01:03:10,208 Brianna Ghey found dead 912 01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:12,210 in a park in Warrington. 913 01:03:12,252 --> 01:03:15,532 The girl who killed Brianna was fascinated by her. 914 01:03:15,575 --> 01:03:18,375 The boy referred to her as "it". 915 01:03:33,033 --> 01:03:35,753 These institutions who continually drive 916 01:03:35,796 --> 01:03:37,876 this horrendous culture war, 917 01:03:37,918 --> 01:03:40,598 who are driving negative perceptions of trans people, 918 01:03:40,641 --> 01:03:42,641 for them to come out here and say, "What a tragedy, 919 01:03:42,683 --> 01:03:45,683 what a sad loss of life we see here", 920 01:03:45,726 --> 01:03:48,526 I'm like, "You all played a part in the current culture 921 01:03:48,569 --> 01:03:50,449 around trans people at the moment." 922 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,080 And that just brings a whole new bunch 923 01:04:22,123 --> 01:04:24,123 of worries and concerns. 924 01:04:24,165 --> 01:04:29,045 It's very, very scary to be, like, trans in the UK right now, 925 01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:30,370 or trans anywhere. 926 01:04:39,981 --> 01:04:42,501 The worst thing that could possibly happen 927 01:04:42,544 --> 01:04:45,224 is the murder of a child. 928 01:04:45,267 --> 01:04:48,267 It's because of the culture 929 01:04:48,310 --> 01:04:52,030 and environment of violence that we are currently in. 930 01:04:52,074 --> 01:04:54,834 Like a lot of trans people in the UK, 931 01:04:54,876 --> 01:04:57,836 it's a very toxic environment that we're navigating right now, 932 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,680 and it's steadily gotten worse over the past five years. 933 01:05:00,722 --> 01:05:02,242 And when you say it's got worse, Munroe, 934 01:05:02,284 --> 01:05:04,164 what do you mean, over the last five years? 935 01:05:04,206 --> 01:05:05,446 'Cause some people would hope 936 01:05:05,487 --> 01:05:07,127 that we would have been making progress. 937 01:05:07,169 --> 01:05:10,609 Yes, and I think there's a lot of, um... 938 01:05:10,652 --> 01:05:14,652 there's a lot of toxic debate, and as we have seen this week, 939 01:05:14,697 --> 01:05:16,937 - you know, trans people are at risk... - Yeah. 940 01:05:16,979 --> 01:05:21,019 ...and are in danger and, you know, paying with our lives. 941 01:05:21,063 --> 01:05:23,423 They are much more at risk than they are the danger, of course. 942 01:05:23,466 --> 01:05:25,466 Well, exactly. 943 01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:30,950 It's the collective frustration of our community, 944 01:05:30,993 --> 01:05:34,273 screaming at the top of our lungs that we want our rights, 945 01:05:34,317 --> 01:05:38,077 that we want our safety, that we want our healthcare, 946 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,640 that we want to be heard, 947 01:05:39,682 --> 01:05:44,762 because if we aren't, this is what happens. 948 01:05:44,807 --> 01:05:46,527 We are all part of society. 949 01:05:46,569 --> 01:05:49,449 Society is creating a culture of violence. 950 01:05:49,492 --> 01:05:53,412 Culture wars have consequences. 951 01:05:55,578 --> 01:06:00,018 For trans people, within the spaces that I move in, 952 01:06:00,063 --> 01:06:04,143 in fashion, things are getting better. 953 01:06:04,187 --> 01:06:06,227 But within wider society, 954 01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:08,509 things aren't getting better. 955 01:06:12,195 --> 01:06:14,475 And that's why I'm trying to create awareness 956 01:06:14,517 --> 01:06:17,957 outside of our community, 957 01:06:18,001 --> 01:06:20,241 to wider society, 958 01:06:21,244 --> 01:06:23,364 so that change can happen. 959 01:06:40,544 --> 01:06:44,224 I guess this is the moment of truth. 960 01:06:44,268 --> 01:06:45,948 With the launch of this book, 961 01:06:45,989 --> 01:06:48,309 I do feel exposed. 962 01:06:48,352 --> 01:06:50,712 It's nerve-racking. 963 01:07:01,245 --> 01:07:02,565 - Hey. - Hello. 964 01:07:02,606 --> 01:07:04,566 - You all right? - I'm good. How are you? 965 01:07:04,608 --> 01:07:06,088 Could you help me do these up, please? 966 01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:07,170 I'm worried that you're nervous. 967 01:07:07,211 --> 01:07:08,211 What? Don't say that. 968 01:07:08,252 --> 01:07:09,332 That's gonna make me nervous. 969 01:07:09,373 --> 01:07:11,613 No. But you don't need to be. 970 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:18,660 I just want people, like... 971 01:07:18,703 --> 01:07:22,623 I hope that there's, like, more people come. 972 01:07:30,034 --> 01:07:31,394 Freaking out. 973 01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:36,959 Whoo! Right. 974 01:07:37,001 --> 01:07:40,201 - Here we go, guys. - Deep breaths. Some deep breaths. 975 01:08:06,111 --> 01:08:07,591 Without further ado, 976 01:08:07,633 --> 01:08:09,433 please give a really, really warm welcome 977 01:08:09,474 --> 01:08:11,754 to Munroe Bergdorf and Clara Amfo. 978 01:08:11,797 --> 01:08:15,357 Thank you. 979 01:08:23,288 --> 01:08:24,728 Oh, wow. 980 01:08:24,770 --> 01:08:27,890 Munroe, first up, in this moment, how are you? 981 01:08:27,933 --> 01:08:32,053 Wow. Well, I have been so nervous in the lead-up to this event. 982 01:08:32,097 --> 01:08:38,057 Writing a memoir is a real, um, excavation of your past. 983 01:08:38,104 --> 01:08:40,024 In going through your life 984 01:08:40,066 --> 01:08:43,986 and trying to see it with adult eyes, 985 01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:47,510 you get to, you know, hug your inner child a lot, 986 01:08:47,553 --> 01:08:50,473 so there's been so much healing from it as well. 987 01:08:50,516 --> 01:08:52,716 Um, but even, you know, just being here... 988 01:08:52,758 --> 01:08:55,118 The thread that runs throughout the book 989 01:08:55,161 --> 01:08:57,001 is really one of isolation 990 01:08:57,043 --> 01:09:03,683 and the effects of homophobia, transphobia, racism, misogyny. 991 01:09:03,730 --> 01:09:07,570 You often experience that on your own. 992 01:09:09,616 --> 01:09:11,936 But then you start sharing your stories, 993 01:09:11,978 --> 01:09:14,978 and when we start listening to each other's stories 994 01:09:15,021 --> 01:09:18,861 and speaking up and sharing how it made us feel, 995 01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,785 people can see themselves in us, 996 01:09:21,828 --> 01:09:25,748 and you can see yourself in another person, 997 01:09:25,792 --> 01:09:31,112 and it's a connection that stems that isolation. 998 01:09:31,158 --> 01:09:34,518 - Hi. - I just could relate so much of what you were saying. 999 01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:36,881 It just meant a lot to me to hear. 1000 01:09:36,923 --> 01:09:40,683 You're making us fight harder, especially in Africa, 1001 01:09:40,727 --> 01:09:42,647 where we literally don't have role models. 1002 01:09:42,689 --> 01:09:44,929 And you doing something like this 1003 01:09:44,972 --> 01:09:46,852 and being available on the internet and everywhere, 1004 01:09:46,894 --> 01:09:48,614 - it changes the world. - Thank you. 1005 01:09:48,655 --> 01:09:50,455 - I do thank you so much. - Thank you. 1006 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,980 We are the product of everything that we've ever experienced, 1007 01:09:57,024 --> 01:09:59,784 but we're also the product of each other, 1008 01:09:59,827 --> 01:10:01,907 and I think that that's such a beautiful thing. 1009 01:10:01,949 --> 01:10:04,149 Ultimately, it's really about just showing up 1010 01:10:04,191 --> 01:10:05,711 for each other's causes. 1011 01:10:05,753 --> 01:10:07,873 We don't have all of each other's answers, 1012 01:10:07,915 --> 01:10:10,755 but we need to come together and talk. 1013 01:10:10,798 --> 01:10:13,678 Just don't keep it to yourself. Share your stories. 1014 01:10:13,721 --> 01:10:15,321 And you shared your story beautifully. 1015 01:10:15,363 --> 01:10:19,883 - Munroe, thank you so, so, so much... - Thank you. 1016 01:10:19,927 --> 01:10:24,767 ...for being so excellent. 1017 01:10:24,812 --> 01:10:28,532 - Thank you. - Yes, go on, give it up for Munroe. 1018 01:10:31,939 --> 01:10:33,379 Do I stand up? 1019 01:10:37,545 --> 01:10:39,825 ...my sisters were like some of the only Black people in our school. 1020 01:10:39,867 --> 01:10:42,027 Oh, God, yeah, I know how that feels. 1021 01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:43,470 You just made me really happy 1022 01:10:43,511 --> 01:10:45,471 and I'm glad that you are where you are now. 1023 01:10:45,513 --> 01:10:47,353 I transitioned four years ago 1024 01:10:47,395 --> 01:10:51,435 because I finally had people show me that it was possible. 1025 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,399 Not only do you inspire young people, 1026 01:10:53,441 --> 01:10:56,161 you inspire trans elders too. 1027 01:10:56,204 --> 01:10:57,884 And now I'm gonna cry. 1028 01:10:57,926 --> 01:11:00,606 You are one of many beacons of hope, 1029 01:11:00,649 --> 01:11:02,969 and we're so grateful. 1030 01:11:03,011 --> 01:11:05,651 Thank you. Oh! Come here. 1031 01:11:05,694 --> 01:11:08,094 - Thank you so, so much. - Thank you. 1032 01:11:08,136 --> 01:11:11,016 You sound like someone that's been in a really, really dark place... 1033 01:11:11,059 --> 01:11:14,139 - Yeah. - ...and now, like, sun radiates from you, 1034 01:11:14,182 --> 01:11:16,302 and I just feel like that gives me hope, 1035 01:11:16,345 --> 01:11:19,225 that that's, like, part of my hope. 1036 01:11:19,268 --> 01:11:21,948 When I think about being shy and not using my voice, 1037 01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:23,150 like, in activism as well, 1038 01:11:23,192 --> 01:11:25,712 I'm like, "Munroe can do it, I can do it." 1039 01:11:25,754 --> 01:11:28,794 - Yeah, yeah. Thank you. - Thank you so much. 1040 01:11:43,292 --> 01:11:47,612 It's like I'd just played the Super Bowl. 1041 01:11:47,656 --> 01:11:51,536 I don't think I've felt that happy in a very long time. 1042 01:11:56,185 --> 01:11:59,745 Even if I've never seen anybody like myself 1043 01:11:59,789 --> 01:12:01,949 in some of the rooms that I'm in, 1044 01:12:01,991 --> 01:12:05,951 I'm not afraid to be that first person. 1045 01:12:05,995 --> 01:12:08,355 That there's something incredibly important 1046 01:12:08,398 --> 01:12:12,238 in seeing marginalised people in positions of power. 1047 01:12:12,281 --> 01:12:13,921 Ladies and gentlemen, 1048 01:12:13,963 --> 01:12:16,283 UN Women UK Changemaker, 1049 01:12:16,326 --> 01:12:18,566 Ms. Munroe Bergdorf. 1050 01:12:20,009 --> 01:12:24,369 But with change comes pushback. 1051 01:12:24,414 --> 01:12:26,494 UN Women UK charity 1052 01:12:26,536 --> 01:12:30,736 has now just chosen a transgender model as their first UK champion. 1053 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:33,580 ...UK's model and not just any trans model, 1054 01:12:33,623 --> 01:12:35,263 they gave it to Munroe Bergdorf. 1055 01:12:35,305 --> 01:12:38,465 ...says organisations have labelled Bergdorf unsuitable... 1056 01:12:38,508 --> 01:12:40,788 ...are insulted and annoyed 1057 01:12:40,831 --> 01:12:43,671 that once again a male has taken a place 1058 01:12:43,713 --> 01:12:45,233 which you would think appropriately 1059 01:12:45,275 --> 01:12:46,715 should be given to a woman. 1060 01:12:47,677 --> 01:12:49,237 But pushback 1061 01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:50,839 is a sign of progress. 1062 01:12:52,683 --> 01:12:54,803 A lot of people will have, um, heard 1063 01:12:54,845 --> 01:12:56,765 about a beauty campaign that I was involved in, 1064 01:12:56,807 --> 01:12:59,887 and I was actually sacked from that campaign, 1065 01:12:59,930 --> 01:13:02,530 and actually today I'm now a consultant 1066 01:13:02,573 --> 01:13:05,253 for that same brand that sacked me. 1067 01:13:05,295 --> 01:13:08,455 Um, because I think it's really important... Thank you. 1068 01:13:10,701 --> 01:13:13,781 The way that the world is going is that, you know, 1069 01:13:13,824 --> 01:13:16,464 people are dating and procreating 1070 01:13:16,507 --> 01:13:17,907 outside of their races. 1071 01:13:17,948 --> 01:13:21,068 People are identifying in diverse ways 1072 01:13:21,112 --> 01:13:26,072 that for so long they haven't had the confidence to. 1073 01:13:26,117 --> 01:13:28,317 People aren't afraid any more 1074 01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:29,919 in the ways that they were, 1075 01:13:29,961 --> 01:13:32,321 and this is why it's so important that the imagery, 1076 01:13:32,363 --> 01:13:35,443 when it comes to advertising, when it comes to fashion, 1077 01:13:35,486 --> 01:13:37,166 is progressive. 1078 01:13:37,208 --> 01:13:39,928 It's really important that we be the change, 1079 01:13:39,971 --> 01:13:43,051 rather than waiting for the people that are... 1080 01:13:43,094 --> 01:13:46,854 that should be making the change to change things. 1081 01:13:46,898 --> 01:13:49,418 Thank you for your work, for your voice, for your courage 1082 01:13:49,460 --> 01:13:51,180 and for your time with us today. 1083 01:13:51,222 --> 01:13:54,462 - Thank you so much for having me. - Thank you, Munroe. 1084 01:14:16,368 --> 01:14:18,768 I love that. Get that sign. 1085 01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:22,490 "Give me oestrogen, you cowards." 1086 01:14:22,534 --> 01:14:27,534 Last year, I feel like I lost my voice and my direction 1087 01:14:27,579 --> 01:14:30,339 and I really had to have a reckoning 1088 01:14:30,382 --> 01:14:34,862 with what I wanted and who I am. 1089 01:14:34,907 --> 01:14:39,347 But now I'm ready to not only be a voice for my community 1090 01:14:39,391 --> 01:14:45,311 but also speak up for myself and show up when I'm needed. 1091 01:14:45,357 --> 01:14:47,117 We're here, we're trans, 1092 01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:50,159 we're gonna throw some hands! 1093 01:14:53,606 --> 01:14:56,006 Look around, everybody! 1094 01:14:56,048 --> 01:14:59,368 Look at all of the beautiful people that are here today. 1095 01:15:01,934 --> 01:15:05,934 Can we all make some noise for the incredible, the legendary, 1096 01:15:05,978 --> 01:15:09,058 Munroe Bergdorf, everybody! 1097 01:15:13,426 --> 01:15:18,066 Happy Trans Pride, everyone! 1098 01:15:18,111 --> 01:15:21,351 I feel so, so, so blessed to be here. 1099 01:15:23,196 --> 01:15:25,996 When I began my transition 13 years ago, 1100 01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:28,759 I couldn't have imagined this time that we're in. 1101 01:15:28,801 --> 01:15:30,641 We've got so much to be angry about, 1102 01:15:30,683 --> 01:15:31,923 but I think it's really important 1103 01:15:31,965 --> 01:15:34,485 that we stand in the love as well, 1104 01:15:34,527 --> 01:15:36,447 and that we don't look at the darkness 1105 01:15:36,489 --> 01:15:37,889 for long enough for it to blind us, 1106 01:15:37,931 --> 01:15:40,371 to remember that we are the light. 1107 01:15:44,257 --> 01:15:46,577 Trans rights frees everyone. 1108 01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:49,940 All that we're fighting for is bodily autonomy. 1109 01:15:49,983 --> 01:15:53,463 The right to do with and what you want with your body, 1110 01:15:53,507 --> 01:15:56,067 and that stands for everyone. 1111 01:15:56,109 --> 01:16:00,669 Allies, we need you to be fighting with us now more than ever. 1112 01:16:00,714 --> 01:16:03,274 We are less than one percent of the population. 1113 01:16:03,317 --> 01:16:04,517 If you don't fight with us, 1114 01:16:04,558 --> 01:16:06,638 then things are not gonna change. 1115 01:16:08,802 --> 01:16:10,482 There is hope. 1116 01:16:10,524 --> 01:16:13,204 We've seen how far the gay rights movement has come 1117 01:16:13,247 --> 01:16:15,087 in just over 50 years. 1118 01:16:15,129 --> 01:16:18,089 I feel massively excited to where we will be 1119 01:16:18,132 --> 01:16:22,092 as the trans community in less time than that. 1120 01:16:22,136 --> 01:16:25,016 We are on the precipice of a breakthrough. 1121 01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:29,420 All of this today, all of this today, 1122 01:16:29,463 --> 01:16:32,823 this is the change in real time. 1123 01:16:35,029 --> 01:16:38,229 Thank you so, so much. Love and rage. 1124 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,720 Happy Pride! 1125 01:16:52,366 --> 01:16:53,846 When I was younger, 1126 01:16:53,888 --> 01:16:56,928 I think it was harder for me to use my words 1127 01:16:56,971 --> 01:16:59,851 because I didn't really know who I was. 1128 01:16:59,894 --> 01:17:03,094 Make some noise for Munroe Bergdorf, everybody! 1129 01:17:03,137 --> 01:17:06,257 I didn't want to be queer. I didn't wanna be Black. 1130 01:17:06,301 --> 01:17:08,021 I wanted to just fit in. 1131 01:17:09,664 --> 01:17:11,584 But now, those two things 1132 01:17:11,626 --> 01:17:14,706 are the things that I love most about myself. 1133 01:17:19,995 --> 01:17:22,675 The likelihood is that I'm gonna be an old woman 1134 01:17:22,717 --> 01:17:26,437 by the time that the world starts to resemble 1135 01:17:26,481 --> 01:17:29,001 the one that I want it to look like. 1136 01:17:30,645 --> 01:17:32,165 But I've fought so hard 1137 01:17:32,207 --> 01:17:35,607 to be able to be the person that I am. 1138 01:17:37,653 --> 01:17:39,853 I'm not gonna give up. 1139 01:17:53,709 --> 01:17:57,269 ♪ Connected by moonlight, red light, spotlight ♪ 1140 01:17:57,313 --> 01:18:02,593 ♪ Dancing barefoot, freedom, train going north ♪ 1141 01:18:02,638 --> 01:18:06,718 ♪ Eating, pomegranate, souls, gossip... ♪ 1142 01:18:06,762 --> 01:18:09,602 - Ah! Thank you. - Thank you, thank you. 1143 01:18:09,645 --> 01:18:14,845 ♪ Big dreams, touching under the table, you live... ♪ 1144 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:19,450 They just asked me to be a contributing editor. Ooh! 1145 01:18:19,495 --> 01:18:23,415 ♪ Ooh, I want your future... ♪ 1146 01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:28,499 ...two, three, girl power! 1147 01:18:28,544 --> 01:18:31,344 ♪ I want your future... ♪ 1148 01:18:31,387 --> 01:18:37,827 A seagull landed on my head and stole my doughnut. That was a hate crime. 1149 01:18:37,874 --> 01:18:41,874 ♪ Packaging, promising a future, smoking...♪ 1150 01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:43,958 Munroe meets Pip. 1151 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,800 ♪ And you're running, running ♪ 1152 01:18:45,842 --> 01:18:49,162 ♪ You're running, you're running into the moment ♪ 1153 01:18:49,205 --> 01:18:51,645 ♪ A moment, a moment ♪ 1154 01:18:51,688 --> 01:18:56,168 ♪ The moment of pleasure, the moment, the moment ♪ 1155 01:18:56,212 --> 01:18:59,212 ♪ The moment of freedom, the moment ♪ 1156 01:18:59,256 --> 01:19:03,456 ♪ The moment of clarity, the moment, the moment ♪ 1157 01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:08,340 ♪ The moment of us two, just us two, just us two ♪ 1158 01:19:26,804 --> 01:19:30,804 ♪ I want your future ♪ 1159 01:19:30,848 --> 01:19:35,088 ♪ I want your joy ♪ 1160 01:19:35,132 --> 01:19:39,052 ♪ I want your future ♪ 1161 01:19:39,096 --> 01:19:43,376 ♪ I want your sexuality ♪ 1162 01:19:43,420 --> 01:19:47,420 ♪ I want your future ♪ 1163 01:19:47,465 --> 01:19:51,705 ♪ I want your joy ♪ 1164 01:19:51,749 --> 01:19:55,669 ♪ I want your future ♪ 1165 01:19:55,713 --> 01:19:58,713 ♪ I want your sexuality ♪ 1166 01:19:58,756 --> 01:20:02,836 ♪ Feel it burnin', burnin' inside me ♪ 1167 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,520 ♪ Like roses and water and oceans and fire ♪ 1168 01:20:06,564 --> 01:20:11,004 ♪ And you feel it, feel it, flying inside you ♪ 1169 01:20:11,049 --> 01:20:15,169 ♪ Like thickness and children and love and our history ♪ 1170 01:20:15,213 --> 01:20:19,373 ♪ I call you from nowhere and then you are everywhere ♪ 1171 01:20:19,417 --> 01:20:23,377 ♪ It's us two in the moment, in the moment of pleasure ♪ 1172 01:20:23,421 --> 01:20:27,661 ♪ And this is brotherhood, sisterhood, otherhood ♪ 1173 01:20:27,706 --> 01:20:31,426 ♪ And you reach down and pull out my lungs ♪ 1174 01:20:31,469 --> 01:20:36,989 ♪ And you hold them so gently and you are breathing for me ♪ 1175 01:20:37,035 --> 01:20:41,195 ♪ I let you, just let you, I let you breathe for me ♪ 1176 01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:44,199 ♪ I tell you, I tell you when you need it ♪ 1177 01:20:44,242 --> 01:20:50,442 ♪ That I'll breathe for you, for you, for you, for you ♪