1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:29,530 -(insects chittering) -(birds chirping) 4 00:00:32,156 --> 00:00:33,367 (crowd chatter) 5 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:34,952 (whispering): Going to Marc Jacob. 6 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:37,663 -(laughing) -Marc Jacobs. 7 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:38,705 ♪ ♪ 8 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:40,207 -Marc Jacobs. -Marc. 9 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:42,042 This is Marc. Marc. 10 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:43,335 It's Marc Jacobs. 11 00:00:43,418 --> 00:00:45,295 -Marc Jacobs. -Marc Jacobs. 12 00:00:45,337 --> 00:00:47,464 -Marc Jacobs. -Marc-Marc... -Marc Jacobs. 13 00:00:47,506 --> 00:00:49,841 ...Jacobs. Marc's my friend. Marc Jacob. 14 00:00:49,925 --> 00:00:51,593 ("100%" by Sonic Youth playing) 15 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:54,471 ♪ I can never forget you ♪ 16 00:00:55,305 --> 00:00:59,017 ♪ The way you rock the girls ♪ 17 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:03,188 ♪ They rule the world and love you ♪ 18 00:01:03,272 --> 00:01:06,817 ♪ A blast in the underworld ♪ 19 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:10,445 ♪ But all I know is you got no money ♪ 20 00:01:10,529 --> 00:01:14,616 ♪ But that's got nothing to do with a good time ♪ 21 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:15,993 ♪ Hey. ♪ 22 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:18,579 ♪ ♪ 23 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:29,715 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:32,968 --> 00:01:35,637 ♪ ♪ 25 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:38,223 (song ends) 26 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:41,184 JIMMY FALLON: Please welcome Anna Wintour 27 00:01:41,268 --> 00:01:42,894 and Marc Jacobs. 28 00:01:42,978 --> 00:01:44,021 -(applause and cheering) -(band playing) 29 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:47,899 ♪ Fashion, fa... fashion. ♪ 30 00:01:47,983 --> 00:01:50,152 -Marc, you-you share the couch. -Oh, yeah. 31 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:51,737 Yeah, you'll be sharing... sharing a chair 32 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:53,030 -this evening. Yes. -Okay. 33 00:01:53,071 --> 00:01:54,781 Welcome. Welcome to the show. 34 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:58,201 It's really wonderful when you see someone like Marc, 35 00:01:58,285 --> 00:02:00,037 whom I've known for so many years 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,372 and-and seen him struggle in the early days 37 00:02:02,414 --> 00:02:06,335 and become such a success and, I think, such an inspiration 38 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:09,045 to so many young designers all over the world. 39 00:02:09,086 --> 00:02:11,214 I remember my first cover. You put... 40 00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:12,674 It was Michaela, an Israeli model, 41 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:14,217 and you put her in a yellow and white dress of mine. 42 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:15,552 It was back in the days of Perry Ellis, 43 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:17,596 and I was on the subway going to work, 44 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:19,056 and someone said to me, 45 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:20,515 "You've got a dress on the cover of Vogue. 46 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:22,059 What are you doing on the subway?" 47 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,602 -(laughter) -JIMMY: They want you to take 48 00:02:23,685 --> 00:02:25,896 -a horse and carriage? Yeah. -I was like, "Well..." 49 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:27,898 (applause and laughter fade) 50 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:33,236 MARC: I mean, for-for me, 51 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:35,364 there's just so, like, so much fear in starting. 52 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:37,699 Like, again, it's like, I guess, a blank page. 53 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:40,285 And it's just like, I guess, for a writer, like, 54 00:02:40,369 --> 00:02:42,287 "What do you write?" And for a musician, 55 00:02:42,371 --> 00:02:45,540 "What do you, you know, sing or write in music?" 56 00:02:48,835 --> 00:02:50,796 (talking indistinctly) 57 00:02:56,718 --> 00:02:58,136 -MARC: All right, what have you got? -ANNA: All right. 58 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:59,596 -So you're looking at the... -Needle-punch? 59 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,597 ...needle-punch first. 60 00:03:00,681 --> 00:03:03,642 So we tried-- this is a Shetland yarn, 61 00:03:03,725 --> 00:03:05,102 and this is cashmere. 62 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,853 -We tried... -MARC: I love Shetland. 63 00:03:06,937 --> 00:03:08,939 Can we get anything more in the-- like, what gauge is this? 64 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:10,357 ANNA: This is all 7 gauge. 65 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,068 MARC: Yeah, maybe we should try a lower, 66 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:14,528 -like a 5 or a 3. -Yeah, yeah. 67 00:03:14,611 --> 00:03:17,781 Like, so it's more s-sweatery. 68 00:03:17,823 --> 00:03:18,949 ANNA: Yeah, sure. 69 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:21,118 More sw... 70 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:22,953 Yeah, so we can see the stitch more 71 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:24,663 -and it's more... -ANNA: Mm-hmm. 72 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:27,499 I was looking for something, like, sheer, 73 00:03:27,582 --> 00:03:30,377 but not polybit, not nylon, 74 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,129 nothing-- not really a synthetic. 75 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:36,299 More like a wool that was, like, a fine gauge or a woolen nylon. 76 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:39,469 So something that looks more like wool but transp-- 77 00:03:39,511 --> 00:03:43,724 Like, so maybe between the size of the yarn, the gauge 78 00:03:43,807 --> 00:03:48,603 and the, um, tension... but some-somehow 79 00:03:48,687 --> 00:03:51,231 -where we could get a sheer feeling. -Right, right. 80 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,653 To, um... 81 00:03:56,737 --> 00:03:59,030 To discuss... 82 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,411 ...how nothing there is. 83 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:06,163 -Like... (laughs) -SOFIA: The blank page helped. 84 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:08,290 The blank page... 85 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:09,958 -I feel for you. -Yeah, it's... 86 00:04:10,041 --> 00:04:11,626 No, it's just the way it is. 87 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:15,630 I-I mean, I do-- I have faith that it will become something. 88 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:18,716 So like a good leather, men's-men's leather belt. 89 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,844 -Like, not... -(Anna speaks indistinctly) 90 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:24,514 -Not like a '90s Milanese belt. -(laughs): Yeah. Okay. 91 00:04:26,892 --> 00:04:28,727 -MARC: That's kind of good. -ANNA: Nice. 92 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:31,229 I mean, if we could do it finer. It's a little... 93 00:04:31,313 --> 00:04:32,564 -I'd like it cleaner. -Mm-hmm. 94 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:34,316 -Cleaner. Okay. -MARC: Cleaner. 95 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:36,193 ANNA: Yes, so just maybe too textured for you. 96 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:37,694 -And this is very... -But, but... 97 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:39,237 ANNA: But the hand feel is good. 98 00:04:39,321 --> 00:04:40,781 These are from Enrico, different weights. 99 00:04:40,864 --> 00:04:43,992 So our objective was to get a smaller stitch size 100 00:04:44,075 --> 00:04:45,327 and to get more structure, 101 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:47,037 -ideally with more filler. -JOSEPH: Yeah. 102 00:04:47,078 --> 00:04:48,413 These are all 18 gauge 103 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:49,915 and they couldn't really add much more filler. 104 00:04:49,998 --> 00:04:51,917 MARC: With us, like, we-we get to the place, 105 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,586 or I get to the place where I'm sitting with everyone 106 00:04:54,669 --> 00:04:56,463 and we're like, "Well, we've got to do something, 107 00:04:56,546 --> 00:04:58,840 we've got to make some decisions about fabric." 108 00:04:58,882 --> 00:05:01,009 And then there's just a lot of different conversations 109 00:05:01,092 --> 00:05:03,804 that go on through the process, but I don't know 110 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:07,015 that-- I can't remember... 111 00:05:07,599 --> 00:05:10,685 ...a season or a show where we were, like, from the beginning, 112 00:05:10,769 --> 00:05:13,396 we knew what we wanted to do and it was about 113 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,358 working towards achieving that. 114 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:17,901 ANNA: Yeah. 115 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:19,778 (Anna chuckles quietly) 116 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:22,739 Okay. 117 00:05:22,823 --> 00:05:23,824 Sure? 118 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:25,492 -Yeah. -Okay. 119 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,457 ("Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" by The Platters playing) 120 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:35,085 MARC: I think the reality 121 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:38,046 of, um... 122 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:39,714 putting together the collection 123 00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:42,133 and, you know, getting to the point 124 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:47,389 of the show is like... really 125 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:49,766 a series of ideas, 126 00:05:49,808 --> 00:05:54,938 and some of them feel very, very strong or interesting. 127 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:56,940 'Cause it's a, it is a process. 128 00:05:56,982 --> 00:05:59,776 So it's like, you know, for a few months, 129 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:02,195 like, all creative energy is focused on doing this thing. 130 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,239 You know, there could be, um, 131 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:06,700 a movie night with John and Rachel 132 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:09,286 that includes The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant 133 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:10,704 and it's, like, the first time I ever saw it 134 00:06:10,787 --> 00:06:13,081 so it really visually was so stimulating 135 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:14,875 and, like, the insanity of it. 136 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,794 There was so much-- it was so loaded that it could-- 137 00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:20,297 like, of course it was gonna be a part 138 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:23,508 of what we were working on. 139 00:06:23,592 --> 00:06:25,927 I mean, because it stimulated me. 140 00:06:26,011 --> 00:06:28,013 ♪ ♪ 141 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:37,731 This is the part where we try to figure out 142 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:40,442 what the models will be wearing on their legs. 143 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:42,319 -JOSEPH: Yeah. See, this is just like... -(laughing) 144 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,487 So, there's either doing, like, 145 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:47,991 custom colors of a hosiery brand that we found... 146 00:06:48,074 --> 00:06:50,034 -ROMAN: Yeah. -...and then we have to figure out 147 00:06:50,118 --> 00:06:53,038 what degree of sheerness or opaqueness we want 148 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:55,749 and then have the colors dyed to our specifications. 149 00:06:55,832 --> 00:06:59,127 Or there-there was a plan, once upon a time, 150 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:02,130 to make them ourselves with our knitwear factories, 151 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:03,715 which we really loved that idea, 152 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:07,010 but there's very boring technical problems with that. 153 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:09,012 I mean, this was one of the Alex Katz painting 154 00:07:09,054 --> 00:07:11,681 that we were really into, just how flat, 155 00:07:11,723 --> 00:07:13,600 like, the black dresses were on all these women. 156 00:07:13,683 --> 00:07:16,102 -SOFIA: I love her. -MARC: Yeah. 157 00:07:16,186 --> 00:07:19,898 But this line, I just loved the texture of the skin, 158 00:07:19,981 --> 00:07:22,067 that it was very powdery and flat and matte. 159 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:25,236 JOSEPH: So this is... this is like mannequin leg, right? 160 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,531 This is our opaque, much more opaque... 161 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:29,824 (Delilah giggling) 162 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:31,409 JOSEPH: The... 163 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:33,036 (Joseph speaks indistinctly) 164 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:34,621 -MARC: Okay. Yeah. -Right? 165 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:37,582 -SOFIA: It does look like mannequin leg. -Yeah. -Yeah. 166 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:40,460 But is there a problem with that one? 167 00:07:40,543 --> 00:07:42,170 -JOSEPH: No. -So you can dye that any color? 168 00:07:42,253 --> 00:07:43,588 Yeah, it comes in white. 169 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:45,674 Yeah, so that's no problem at all. 170 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:47,592 -The really opaque one. -Yeah. 171 00:07:47,676 --> 00:07:48,760 The real mannequin. 172 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:50,387 MARC: Like, this is a toile 173 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,515 that Joseph made, and it's, like, um, 174 00:07:53,598 --> 00:07:55,058 -an idea, right? -Yeah. 175 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:57,560 -But it will become a much more sophisticated... -Right. 176 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:59,771 ...interpretation of this idea. 177 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:02,857 You know, we're... continuing to make clothes 178 00:08:02,941 --> 00:08:06,236 and study clothes as the fittings are happening upstairs 179 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:08,571 on the models and the castings and the music and... 180 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:09,781 Like, so, it's just, like, 181 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:11,366 that's all happening at the same time, 182 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:13,410 so, like, everything is delivered... 183 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,953 It's, like, very last minute. 184 00:08:15,036 --> 00:08:16,871 I look over my shoulder at, like, other designers 185 00:08:16,955 --> 00:08:19,541 and I think, like, "Well, the reason their work is so strong 186 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:22,085 "and so good and... is that they're so talented 187 00:08:22,127 --> 00:08:25,714 "and they probably have it all decided from the beginning 188 00:08:25,797 --> 00:08:29,092 "and then it's about, like, a really extraordinary, 189 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:33,388 "you know, um, execution of a single thought. 190 00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:35,724 "And if I could be like them, 191 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:38,183 this is the way it would turn out, too." 192 00:08:38,268 --> 00:08:40,895 ♪ ♪ 193 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:46,985 (speaking French) 194 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:55,326 ♪ ♪ 195 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:04,502 MARC: When I look at my heroes in fashion, 196 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:06,171 like, if you look at Saint Laurent 197 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:08,173 and, you know, if you read the sort of history 198 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,133 of, like, that, like, Ballet Russe collection, 199 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:11,634 which was so extraord-- 200 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,803 like how it was, like, in this fever of the night 201 00:09:13,845 --> 00:09:16,306 that, like, you know, he draped all these fabrics on the stands, 202 00:09:16,347 --> 00:09:17,640 or-- I think it was that one 203 00:09:17,682 --> 00:09:19,142 -that he did that for. -SOFIA: Oh, wow. 204 00:09:19,184 --> 00:09:20,977 MARC: I don't know, I can't remember what, 205 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:22,312 but it was one of his, like, legendary collections 206 00:09:22,395 --> 00:09:23,938 that apparently... 207 00:09:24,022 --> 00:09:26,483 You know, and it was just, like, a night of sketching 208 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,485 and, like, fabrics all over the... 209 00:09:28,526 --> 00:09:29,986 And, it's like, that's what I want. 210 00:09:30,028 --> 00:09:31,780 Like, you know, but it's just not our story. 211 00:09:31,863 --> 00:09:32,989 SOFIA: Yeah, it doesn't have, like... 212 00:09:33,031 --> 00:09:35,366 ("Cavern" by Liquid Liquid playing) 213 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:50,799 (low chatter) 214 00:09:50,882 --> 00:09:54,928 -Now, this, that cut generally fit... -Yes. 215 00:09:55,011 --> 00:10:00,767 The fun part is how the hell do we fit this sleeve, 216 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:02,310 -this super wide sleeve... -Okay. 217 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:05,021 'Cause, see, I don't want it going into a narrow... 218 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:06,356 Ah, the top. 219 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,358 It can't be na-- It's got to be large, 220 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,194 the top of the sleeve head, you know, the sleeve. 221 00:10:11,277 --> 00:10:13,530 -Ah. -So the body itself... 222 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:15,824 -Uh-huh, uh-huh. -...has to be wide up here. 223 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:17,492 -Yeah, yeah. -So we're gonna have to do 224 00:10:17,575 --> 00:10:19,661 this very kind of wide arm part. 225 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:21,287 -Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. -Because most of the sleeves, 226 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:23,665 -they hang like this, right? -Yeah, I know, it's collapse. 227 00:10:23,748 --> 00:10:25,834 -Exactly. Ah. -But what we want 228 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:27,836 -is to see this width up there. -Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 229 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:29,671 -So you just, from the side... -Side. 230 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:32,549 -...you've got all this tipping that way... -Mm-hmm. 231 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:34,551 -...and these tipping this way. -Mm. 232 00:10:34,592 --> 00:10:36,594 MARC: Interesting little backstory about this. 233 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:39,139 -SOFIA: Yeah? -This was a brocade we developed 234 00:10:39,222 --> 00:10:41,057 once for a collection a long time ago-- 235 00:10:41,099 --> 00:10:44,018 we never used it-- but it came from... 236 00:10:44,102 --> 00:10:45,812 There was an auction catalog that had 237 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:47,522 one of Elizabeth Taylor's suits 238 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,358 and it was done by Chanel for Elizabeth Taylor in a brocade. 239 00:10:50,441 --> 00:10:55,572 So we developed basically a pattern inspired by that suit. 240 00:10:55,613 --> 00:10:57,157 And then this season, we were talking about, 241 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,033 like, having a gold brocade, and we're like, 242 00:10:59,075 --> 00:11:00,618 "Oh, well, let's look at that pattern again," 243 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,579 and we just blew it up. 244 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:04,414 We made it bigger and then more like, 245 00:11:04,455 --> 00:11:05,999 -with more relief. -JOSEPH: Yeah. 246 00:11:06,082 --> 00:11:07,792 And then the volume of the fabric is a little bit 247 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:12,797 more exaggerated, so... what goes around, comes around. 248 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:15,550 SOFIA: I like the whole "all roads lead to Liz." 249 00:11:15,633 --> 00:11:17,969 -All roads. I mean, always. -(Sofia laughs) 250 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:20,138 ♪ ♪ 251 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,318 Aren't you happy with me? 252 00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:34,736 Happy? 253 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:35,904 Trouble is, I'm too happy. 254 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:37,822 MARC: These are brooches from 255 00:11:37,906 --> 00:11:39,449 -the Elizabeth Taylor jewelry collection. -(Sofia laughs) 256 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:40,950 And I just felt very... 257 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:42,660 There was that quote by Andy Warhol 258 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:44,037 when they asked him what he'd want to come back as, 259 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,788 and he said, "I want to come back 260 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:48,124 as a diamond on Elizabeth Taylor's finger." 261 00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:50,126 -I never heard... -And I just thought, like, "Oh, wow," so... 262 00:11:50,168 --> 00:11:52,128 But, I mean, it wasn't because of that quote, 263 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:54,130 -but the quote came to mind when I... -Yeah. 264 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:55,840 We were researching and looking at jewelry, 265 00:11:55,924 --> 00:11:57,634 'cause I like this idea of the patch, 266 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,136 but, um, then I just thought it needs to have 267 00:12:00,178 --> 00:12:01,804 some kind of sense, 268 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:03,806 so I thought, like, right, Elizabeth Taylor's jewelry. 269 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:05,975 SOFIA: I can't wait to see it all come together. 270 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,311 -MARC: Me, too. -(Sofia laughs) 271 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:10,230 (blow-dryer whirring) 272 00:12:10,313 --> 00:12:12,190 ♪ ♪ 273 00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:14,984 MARC: We got very playful in the fitting room one day 274 00:12:15,026 --> 00:12:17,695 and we were just, like, stacking wigs on top of wigs and, 275 00:12:17,779 --> 00:12:20,073 -you know, like you do. -(Sofia chuckling) 276 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:23,201 And, um, I sent the pictures to Alastair, 277 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,203 and he was like, "Oh, I love it." 278 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:27,121 So we were talking about how serious that was. 279 00:12:27,205 --> 00:12:31,000 Like, maybe would we do that, would we not do that? 280 00:12:31,042 --> 00:12:33,544 The pluses and minuses of doing something theatrical 281 00:12:33,628 --> 00:12:35,296 and how that's entertaining 282 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:37,757 or keeping it more real and more about, like... 283 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,009 Anyway, so we went through all of those aspects? 284 00:12:40,051 --> 00:12:42,136 -Yeah. We did. -Right? 285 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:44,472 And... we have not come to a conclusion. 286 00:12:44,555 --> 00:12:46,266 SOFIA: Are you leaning one way or the other, or you're... 287 00:12:46,349 --> 00:12:48,559 We're leaning towards entertainment. 288 00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,312 -Entertainment and joy. -(chuckling) 289 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:55,066 ♪ Hello, Dolly ♪ 290 00:12:55,149 --> 00:12:57,026 ♪ Well, hello, Dolly... ♪ 291 00:12:57,068 --> 00:13:00,280 MARC: I went to the opening night of Hello, Dolly! 292 00:13:00,363 --> 00:13:03,032 That was my first movie in a theater. 293 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:04,993 ♪ Back where you belong... ♪ 294 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,704 SOFIA: Why do all gay men love Barbra Streisand? 295 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:08,871 MARC: I don't know. Like... 296 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,915 I love Barbra Streisand. 297 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:12,375 But I-I don't know what it is. 298 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:13,793 Wh... It's a really... 299 00:13:13,876 --> 00:13:15,044 That's a really good question. 300 00:13:15,128 --> 00:13:17,505 But I guess there's something, 301 00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:19,674 I don't know if it's the nails and the long finger 302 00:13:19,757 --> 00:13:20,842 or if it's the whole, like... 303 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:22,719 I mean, I-I don't know. 304 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:24,304 But it's not only Barbra Streisand. 305 00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:26,681 -It's like, Barbra Streisand... -SOFIA: Liza. 306 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:27,974 MARC: ...Liza Minnelli, 307 00:13:28,057 --> 00:13:29,642 -Diana Ross... -Yeah. 308 00:13:29,726 --> 00:13:31,477 ...is a big one for the gays, I think. 309 00:13:31,561 --> 00:13:33,229 SOFIA: Yeah, glamour. 310 00:13:33,271 --> 00:13:35,440 MARC: Yeah. But I think there's just a theatricality. 311 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:37,400 When you look at those women, they're so much 312 00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:40,236 like a caricature of themselves, you know, and they have that-- 313 00:13:40,278 --> 00:13:42,405 -Joan Crawford's another one. -Oh, yeah. 314 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:45,908 You know, there's like that caricature, camp. 315 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:48,119 -Camp of womanhood. Yeah. -(Marc laughs) 316 00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:51,372 ♪ Well, all the odds are ♪ 317 00:13:51,456 --> 00:13:54,042 ♪ They're in my favor ♪ 318 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:59,422 ♪ Something's bound to begin ♪ 319 00:13:59,505 --> 00:14:01,966 ♪ It's gotta happen ♪ 320 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:05,553 ♪ Happen sometime ♪ 321 00:14:05,636 --> 00:14:07,930 ♪ Maybe this time ♪ 322 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:13,811 ♪ Maybe this time I'll ♪ 323 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:20,109 ♪ Win. ♪ 324 00:14:21,903 --> 00:14:24,447 (song ends) 325 00:14:25,073 --> 00:14:29,327 I don't know when the first time I saw Cabaret was. 326 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:33,289 Uh... 327 00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:35,750 But it was... 328 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:38,920 I'm-I'm pretty sure it was Cabaret 329 00:14:39,003 --> 00:14:41,964 that made me fall in love with Bob Fosse 330 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:44,050 and then want to see Damn Yankees, 331 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:45,802 and then want to see Sweet Charity, 332 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,136 and then want to see, 333 00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:49,555 like, everything that Bob Fosse ever did. 334 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:51,099 SOFIA: I feel like all his movies were great. 335 00:14:51,182 --> 00:14:52,683 MARC: Yeah. He's just a great... 336 00:14:52,767 --> 00:14:54,185 -And All That Jazz. -All That Jazz. 337 00:14:54,268 --> 00:14:55,269 Great mind. 338 00:14:55,353 --> 00:14:57,522 ("On Broadway" by George Benson playing) 339 00:14:59,148 --> 00:15:04,654 ♪ They say the neon lights are bright on Broadway ♪ 340 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:12,245 ♪ They say there's always magic in the air... ♪ 341 00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:15,623 MARC: I think somewhere in another life 342 00:15:15,706 --> 00:15:18,501 I really want to be, um, a theater director, 343 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:19,794 or something like that. 344 00:15:19,877 --> 00:15:21,421 I don't really, but I think this... 345 00:15:21,504 --> 00:15:24,966 this has a very, like, doing the fashion thing 346 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,510 is just very linked, it's the same kind of process: 347 00:15:27,593 --> 00:15:31,431 the casting, the music, the set, the costumes. 348 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,683 Like, only in fashion, you get to do all of it. 349 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:35,977 (vocalizing in song) 350 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,023 The set design was inspired by this Jeremiah Goodman painting 351 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,609 of Diana Vreeland's apartment, Garden in Hell. 352 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:45,987 ♪ On Broadway ♪ 353 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:54,454 ♪ Looking at them just gives me the blues. ♪ 354 00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:57,582 ♪ ♪ 355 00:16:08,301 --> 00:16:10,720 ("Funky Boss" by Beastie Boys playing) 356 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:21,898 MARC: I loved, um... 357 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,774 you know, I loved back-to-school clothes. 358 00:16:23,858 --> 00:16:25,943 SOFIA: How young were you when you were starting to think 359 00:16:26,027 --> 00:16:27,570 about your back-to-school look? 360 00:16:27,612 --> 00:16:29,322 MARC: I-I have... 361 00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:33,409 I have it in my mind, like, eight or nine, but, um... 362 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:37,455 I think I was very influenced by teenagers I saw at the time 363 00:16:37,538 --> 00:16:40,583 who, I think one of them was a babysitter, 364 00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:42,877 and, um, she-- 365 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,924 the babysitter and her friends, you know, were probably 18, 19, 366 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,510 and they were wearing, like, flared jeans 367 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:53,471 and they had, like, you know, they had, like, their... 368 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:56,432 teenage hippie vibes or whatever was going on. (laughs) 369 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:57,975 Like, early '70s. 370 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:01,103 And I just looked at them, and I thought they looked so cool 371 00:17:01,145 --> 00:17:02,688 that I wanted to look like them. 372 00:17:02,772 --> 00:17:05,483 You know, like, at my young age. 373 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:07,944 ("The Candy Man" by Cibo Matto playing) 374 00:17:07,984 --> 00:17:10,363 (vocalizing) 375 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:22,791 SOFIA: Did you ever think as a kid that you would have 376 00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,460 your salon at Bergdorf Goodman? 377 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,170 (Marc laughs) 378 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:29,215 MARC: No. I mean, it is funny, the Bergdorf Goodman thing, 379 00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:31,717 because I remember going there with my grandmother. 380 00:17:31,801 --> 00:17:34,178 And my grandmother was, like, really fashiony. 381 00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:36,514 She really loved clothes. 382 00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:38,641 She was of a generation where there was, 383 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:41,394 like, a great, like, respect for clothes 384 00:17:41,477 --> 00:17:44,146 and also what was appropriate for certain things. 385 00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:47,275 So she had subscribed to that notion that gloves, 386 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:49,151 like, leather gloves, were either black or white. 387 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:51,279 Like, you just didn't wear colored leather gloves. 388 00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:53,197 (laughs): Like, I don't know where that came from. 389 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:54,657 -You know, so... -(doorbell ringing) 390 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:56,200 SOFIA: Is that where your sophistication, 391 00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:57,827 your taste, comes from? 392 00:17:57,868 --> 00:17:59,662 -And, like, you know about stuff. -I think it came... 393 00:17:59,745 --> 00:18:01,664 -Appreciation definitely came from... -(door opens) 394 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,499 I used to go shopping with her, and I used to, I just loved it 395 00:18:03,541 --> 00:18:06,210 when she'd have the beauty parlor appointment on Friday, 396 00:18:06,294 --> 00:18:08,629 and then she'd go to Bergdorf's which was down the block 397 00:18:08,713 --> 00:18:10,339 from the salon that she went to, and... 398 00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:13,843 You know, and I think, I think I saw... 399 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:18,514 or-or saw, like, beautiful or more luxurious clothes, 400 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:21,183 you know, with her. 401 00:18:21,267 --> 00:18:24,020 And she was also very... 402 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,813 like, she didn't have a lot to do, so, 403 00:18:25,855 --> 00:18:29,525 like, during the week, her outings to different places 404 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,361 were very, like, that was what her-- she did. 405 00:18:32,403 --> 00:18:34,739 So, like, Bonwit Tellers was on a certain day, 406 00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:36,657 and Saks Fifth Avenue was on a certain day, 407 00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:39,493 and Bergdorf was the day of her salon, so she would buy 408 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:41,412 certain things from certain places. Like, she's be like... 409 00:18:41,495 --> 00:18:43,456 -SOFIA: She had a schedule of... -(chuckles) 410 00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:46,709 She... Yeah. She'd, like, plan her day around that, so, like, 411 00:18:46,751 --> 00:18:49,378 then you'd know what restaurant she'd eat at for lunch, 412 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:51,339 or where she'd... Like, if she was at Lord & Taylor, 413 00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:53,382 she'd go to the Bird Cage, and she'd have chicken salad. 414 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:56,218 Like, everything was very set. 415 00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:58,512 ("Heart of Glass" by Blondie playing) 416 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:02,933 -SOFIA: Hi. -Morning. 417 00:19:03,017 --> 00:19:04,560 Good morning. 418 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,771 (continues indistinctly) 419 00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:10,149 ♪ Once I had a love, and it was a gas... ♪ 420 00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:11,817 Maybe back there. 421 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:13,194 Let's do Marc's office. 422 00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:15,154 ♪ Had a heart of glass ♪ 423 00:19:15,237 --> 00:19:19,075 ♪ Seemed like the real thing, only to find ♪ 424 00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:23,287 ♪ Mucho mistrust, love's gone behind ♪ 425 00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:27,833 ♪ In between ♪ 426 00:19:27,917 --> 00:19:31,629 ♪ What I find is pleasing, and I'm feeling fine ♪ 427 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:36,509 ♪ Love is so confusing, there's no peace of mind ♪ 428 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:40,096 ♪ If I fear I'm losing you, it's just no good ♪ 429 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:42,598 ♪ You teasing like you do. ♪ 430 00:19:42,682 --> 00:19:44,475 -(Sofia chuckling) -ROMAN: That's good. 431 00:19:44,558 --> 00:19:46,602 Go to the other side. Sort of come around 432 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:48,771 -and we can see you better. -SOFIA: My cameo. 433 00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:50,147 Yeah. 434 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:52,942 -SOFIA: No? -ROMAN: It's upside down, but it's okay. 435 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:54,944 SOFIA: But-but the words are... 436 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:56,779 Okay, then that's more important. 437 00:19:56,821 --> 00:19:59,156 (Roman and Sofia chuckling) 438 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,701 One of my favorite outfits is, it was Halloween 439 00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:04,120 and I didn't have a costume and Marc brought, got... 440 00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:05,663 -And Andrew. -Yeah, and Andrew. 441 00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:07,456 We were all having Halloween and you brought me, um, 442 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,542 -a boy's cop uniform. -Police... Yeah. 443 00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:10,960 But it fit me. It was so chic. 444 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,753 -Like, it fit me perfectly. -Yeah. 445 00:20:12,795 --> 00:20:14,422 I was like, of course, that was one of my favorite Marc outfits. 446 00:20:14,505 --> 00:20:16,132 ROMAN: How-- I'm gonna ask two questions. 447 00:20:16,173 --> 00:20:17,717 How long have you guys known each other? 448 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,468 When do you remember first meeting Sofia? 449 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:21,137 -SOFIA: Uh, at, um... -MARC: Perry Ellis. 450 00:20:21,178 --> 00:20:22,304 SOFIA: At Perry Ellis. 451 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,931 -Yeah. -Like, it was '93? 452 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:25,391 -It was... -Or '92? 453 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,892 -It was grunge. -It was grunge, 454 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:28,477 -and we were in New York. -Yeah. 455 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,480 And I asked Mom to take me to see your collection. 456 00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:34,150 But I don't... I-I must've seen it in a magazine. 457 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,693 Was it in Vogue or something? 458 00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:37,319 I-I don't know how I knew about it 459 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:38,529 'cause there was no Internet then. 460 00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:40,072 I don't know. Well, 'cause it's you. 461 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:41,449 -I know. -You know about things. That's how. 462 00:20:41,532 --> 00:20:42,825 SOFIA: I was excited. I was, like, 463 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:44,493 -early 20s. -New York was a small place. 464 00:20:44,535 --> 00:20:45,953 Sofia and Spike. This is Spike Jonze, 465 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:49,749 video director extraordinaire, Dirt magazine editor. 466 00:20:49,832 --> 00:20:53,669 And Sofia Coppola, photographer, fashion model, 467 00:20:53,711 --> 00:20:56,338 they came up to us and said, "We want to do a fashion show," 468 00:20:56,422 --> 00:20:58,007 and we were like, "Great. Whatever." 469 00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,300 And then six months later, 470 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:00,718 -they were really serious about it. -Yeah. 471 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:02,845 And then we all four got our heads together, 472 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:05,347 and the rest is history. 473 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:06,891 INTERVIEWER: You guys kind of came up with the idea 474 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:08,225 of, like, how the fashion show is gonna look 475 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:09,810 and where it was gonna be. 476 00:21:09,894 --> 00:21:11,520 How'd you come up with that idea? 477 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:13,439 SOFIA: Well, because it's, uh, Fashion Week, 478 00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:15,608 we wanted to do it in New York 479 00:21:15,691 --> 00:21:17,526 in the middle of the whole traditional Fashion Week. 480 00:21:17,568 --> 00:21:19,695 And, um, our friend Marc Jacobs just had a show down the street 481 00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:21,906 so we figured while everyone leaves that, 482 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:23,574 they could come check this out. 483 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:26,285 I just thought it'd be fun to do a fashion show, 484 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:28,788 um, but I-I never designed a line of clothes, so 485 00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:32,416 we were just talking about doing a outlaw fashion show 486 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,877 to liven things up this week. 487 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:36,921 (punk music playing) 488 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:42,551 KIM: You know, it's sort of like your dream 489 00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:44,303 is always to wake up in the morning and be able 490 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:45,805 to reach in your closet, half asleep, 491 00:21:45,888 --> 00:21:47,973 and just put on something that's gonna, like, fit 492 00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:50,768 and look fabulous and you don't have to think about it. 493 00:21:52,603 --> 00:21:54,855 MARC: When you think Milk, right, or X-girl 494 00:21:54,897 --> 00:21:57,149 and you think about, like, the perfect baby tee, 495 00:21:57,233 --> 00:21:59,360 -or whatever we called it then... -Yeah. 496 00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:02,071 ...you know that little perfectly, like... 497 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,990 If you, if you just imagine, like, 498 00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:06,492 what somebody else would be like, 499 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:08,077 "What, what are they making such a big deal about, 500 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,370 -like, a T-shirt?" -SOFIA: Yeah. 501 00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:10,412 MARC: But I remember, like, 502 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:13,582 Kim Gordon and Daisy... 503 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:17,253 and they'd be like, you know, they-they were so precise... 504 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,547 -Yeah. -...about how that miniskirt had to fit. 505 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,048 -♪ ♪ -MAN: Yeah, baby. 506 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:22,424 RITA ACKERMANN: And the world 507 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:23,843 currency markets will never lose faith 508 00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:25,511 in the deutsche mark, the dollar... 509 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:27,263 I'm exhausted. I will never catch up. 510 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:28,806 CHLOË: So what's up with Salinas? 511 00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:31,433 -Jackie Joyner-Kersee. -(blows raspberries) 512 00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:33,644 -Elizabeth Bishop. -(blows raspberries) 513 00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:34,979 Brigitte Bardot. 514 00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:36,772 When you look back at a lot of those images now-- 515 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:38,607 like when I look at, like, Chloë Sevigny and stuff-- 516 00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:42,611 it's like a lot of those images really kind of hold up 517 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:44,697 -in a way because... -Yeah. 518 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:48,033 They... it was a kind of iconic moment. 519 00:22:48,117 --> 00:22:49,535 WOMAN: Would you rather sell beer 520 00:22:49,618 --> 00:22:51,996 or drink beer or make beer? 521 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:53,831 I'd rather sell the beer. 522 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:56,041 ♪ ♪ 523 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,335 -WOMAN: Hello. How are you? -CHLOË: Hi. 524 00:22:58,419 --> 00:22:59,920 CHLOË: I'm okay. 525 00:23:00,004 --> 00:23:01,797 -Who is this? -Do you have a Guy Lyonais that checked in? 526 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:03,674 WOMAN: Can you spell the last name? 527 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:06,260 CHLOË: L-Y-O-N-A-I-S. 528 00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:07,636 WOMAN: Excuse me, miss. 529 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,138 Do you know a Guy Lyonais? 530 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:13,851 Some of the dresses looked a little stewardess, 1973, 531 00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:15,311 serving your drink. 532 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,229 MAN: Stewardess? I thought they were, like, 533 00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:18,522 factory worker, 1973. 534 00:23:18,606 --> 00:23:20,190 Factory worker, stewardess, 535 00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:21,692 -working-class woman... -Yeah. 536 00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:25,279 ...but with the svelte body. 537 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:27,197 It's just working. 538 00:23:27,281 --> 00:23:29,825 ♪ ♪ 539 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:31,994 WOMAN: There's Jules Truman. Jules Truman. 540 00:23:32,036 --> 00:23:34,038 -I got it. -Because... 541 00:23:34,121 --> 00:23:35,414 he has to get the show started, 542 00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:36,874 and I can't deal with it anymore. 543 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:39,418 (indistinct chatter) 544 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:40,711 ("Dirty Boots" by Sonic Youth playing) 545 00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:42,922 This is crazy. This is really... 546 00:23:44,048 --> 00:23:45,716 ♪ ♪ 547 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,343 -Do you know Guy Lyonais? -Who? 548 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,595 -Guy Lyonais. -No. 549 00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,430 ♪ ♪ 550 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,016 KIM GORDON: This is one of my favorite dresses 551 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:55,351 that I ever wore onstage. 552 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:56,685 It's a Marc Jacobs dress, 553 00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:58,354 and you can't tell from this picture 554 00:23:58,395 --> 00:24:01,357 but it's got all these sequins on it and... 555 00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:04,026 it was almost like being a disco ball. 556 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:05,819 ♪ ♪ 557 00:24:09,198 --> 00:24:12,326 MARC: Way back, I met this guy named Nick Egan. 558 00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:15,245 Nick Egan was very close to Malcolm McLaren 559 00:24:15,329 --> 00:24:16,622 and, um, Vivienne Westwood 560 00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:18,958 and-- well, particularly Malcolm McLaren-- 561 00:24:19,041 --> 00:24:23,921 but fast-forward many years and it's the grunge collection 562 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:28,592 at Perry Ellis, and, um, Nick Egan calls me. 563 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:31,512 And I hadn't seen or heard from him in a long time, 564 00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:34,598 and it was like, "Marc, it's Nick." 565 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:36,350 And I was, like, so happy to hear from him. 566 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:38,686 And he's like, "Listen, I'm directing, um, 567 00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:40,604 a video for Sonic Youth." 568 00:24:40,688 --> 00:24:42,564 And I was like, "Oh, my God, that's so amazing." 569 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:44,566 I was like, "I love them. They're great." 570 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,568 And he's like, "Well, I had this idea 571 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:48,570 which I presented to them and they were really into it." 572 00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:50,572 He was like, "Could we get together 573 00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:52,908 and would you be willing to meet Kim and Thurston?" 574 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:55,869 I, like... froze. 575 00:24:55,953 --> 00:24:58,414 I was like, "I-I don't know how I can meet Kim." 576 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,624 Like, it was so intimidating somehow. 577 00:25:00,708 --> 00:25:02,668 -SOFIA: Really? Why? -Yeah, I felt... 578 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,087 I-I've always been-- 579 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:06,839 I know it doesn't come across that way-- 580 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,842 but I'm-I'm pretty uncomfortable socially, 581 00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:13,137 and I am very intimidated by people I look up to. 582 00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:15,681 You know, it's just, like... 583 00:25:15,764 --> 00:25:18,600 And-and I, I thought they were just so cool. 584 00:25:18,642 --> 00:25:20,936 Like, there was, like, "How am I gonna... 585 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,272 "You know, how am I gonna bring my little, like, 586 00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:25,649 "designer chops to the table 587 00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:27,776 with all that coolness of Kim Gordon?" 588 00:25:27,818 --> 00:25:30,988 ("Sugar Kane" by Sonic Youth playing) 589 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,244 ♪ ♪ 590 00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:48,797 ♪ ♪ 591 00:25:54,511 --> 00:25:56,263 MARC: I-I sort of felt like 592 00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:59,475 it was in a bit of a weird situation, 'cause I felt like 593 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:02,269 I was, like, doing that grunge collection, 594 00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:04,646 that it was looked down on 595 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:08,776 by, like, Courtney and Kurt and people like... 596 00:26:08,859 --> 00:26:11,361 -Oh, as a poser? Or commercializing? -Right. 597 00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:13,989 So, so, I kind of felt like, "I would love to do this, 598 00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:15,574 but I don't want to be the butt of your joke." 599 00:26:15,657 --> 00:26:16,825 Oh, right. 600 00:26:16,867 --> 00:26:18,744 MARC: I mean, it's really interesting, 601 00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:21,163 like, when you look at, like... 602 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:22,790 There were so many negative reviews and, like... 603 00:26:22,873 --> 00:26:24,792 -SOFIA: Really? -Oh, yeah. And then, 604 00:26:24,875 --> 00:26:27,503 of course, the evidence of how important it was 605 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:28,837 is still everywhere you look. 606 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,048 It was all... across all genres. 607 00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,841 -It was like you had music... -Yeah. 608 00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:34,676 ...fashion, art and photography. 609 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,888 So... you know, there's all of those things 610 00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:39,807 were just undergoing this change. 611 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:41,809 ♪ ♪ 612 00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:50,317 (music stops) 613 00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:54,613 -MAN: Nice to meet you, Marc. -MARC: What's your name? 614 00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,406 -I'm Ian. -Ian. Hi, Ian. 615 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:57,783 -You wrote your question down? -I did. 616 00:26:57,866 --> 00:26:59,368 -I wrote my question down. -(chuckles): Wow. 617 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:00,744 (laughter) 618 00:27:00,828 --> 00:27:02,871 Um, so I have... I kind of have two questions. 619 00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,249 -Okay. -Um, one of them is-- 620 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:06,708 I'm at Parsons right now-- 621 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:09,878 um, so I was wondering how art school 622 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,880 kind of informed your career 623 00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,800 and how you feel like that was valuable to you. 624 00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:16,760 ♪ ♪ 625 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:22,015 EMCEE: And next, a trio of fabulous sweaters 626 00:27:22,099 --> 00:27:23,809 by Marc Jacobs. 627 00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:27,896 Hand-knit, of course, supersized shapes 628 00:27:27,938 --> 00:27:30,566 over jersey tops and flannel bottoms. 629 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,943 MARC: I loved my school years. 630 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:35,070 I mean, I worked really, really hard. 631 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,448 EMCEE: Fabulous patterns, fabulous color. 632 00:27:38,532 --> 00:27:41,285 And that extraordinary trio 633 00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:46,415 has earned Marc Jacobs the Perry Ellis Gold Thimble Award. 634 00:27:46,456 --> 00:27:47,666 MARC: Some of the teachers at Parsons 635 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,084 would tease me and say 636 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:50,919 that I was very jaded, but I grew up in the city 637 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:53,213 and I didn't feel like I was jaded. 638 00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:56,425 I just felt like I was experiencing as much as I could, 639 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:58,051 in and out of school. 640 00:27:58,135 --> 00:28:01,722 And so, um, sometimes school would be frustrating to me 641 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:04,433 because I would think, this isn't helping 642 00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:05,976 train for real life. 643 00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:09,271 Like, real life is happening outside of school. 644 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:10,439 (applause) 645 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,441 EMCEE: Don't go away, Marc. 646 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,235 Because Marc Jacobs was also voted 647 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,113 the Student Designer of the Year award. 648 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:20,282 (applause) 649 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,451 MARC: All the students, um, 650 00:28:22,492 --> 00:28:24,077 were broken into groups by designers. 651 00:28:24,161 --> 00:28:25,954 So you'd have different designers come into the school 652 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:30,000 and they'd be given, like, ten or-or whatever, eight students, 653 00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:33,629 and I was in the Perry Ellis group. 654 00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:35,255 I remember I showed him my sketches 655 00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:36,632 and he was very impressed. 656 00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:38,634 And he had-- I'd met him before. 657 00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:40,469 I met him when I was 16 at Charivari. 658 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:44,139 When Charivari opened, he was there with Jed and Patricia, 659 00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:46,642 who were his two assistants who both went to Parsons. 660 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:48,352 And it was he who told me if I was serious 661 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,687 about being a designer, I should go to Parsons 662 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,314 like his two assistants. 663 00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:53,815 And so I had these illustrations 664 00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:56,902 that were two or three figures on the page. 665 00:28:56,985 --> 00:28:58,487 So the one he chose, he was like, "Well, you can..." 666 00:28:58,528 --> 00:28:59,988 He's like, "I love any one of these. 667 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:01,657 Which one do you want to do?" 668 00:29:01,698 --> 00:29:03,158 And I was like, "Well, I have to do all three. 669 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,160 It doesn't make sense just to do one." 670 00:29:05,202 --> 00:29:06,787 And he was like, "I don't know how you're going to finish one, 671 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,664 "let alone three, but if that's what you want to do, 672 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:10,165 go for it, you know." 673 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:14,670 So I graphed out these sweater designs. 674 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,963 They were, like, these geometric designs, 675 00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:18,090 and I graphed them out on graph paper 676 00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:20,676 'cause I kind of understood the principles of, like, knitting 677 00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:22,094 after watching my grandmother. 678 00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:24,137 She had taught me how to do knit... 679 00:29:24,221 --> 00:29:25,639 You know, she taught me how to knit 680 00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:27,307 and to do needlepoint, 681 00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:29,685 and-and she actually knit the samples. 682 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,186 SOFIA: And the ones that you had at Charivari, 683 00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:32,980 -were those she actually made? -So... 684 00:29:33,063 --> 00:29:35,148 so, so, I showed those... 685 00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,276 I mean, I made all the clothes that went with the sweaters, 686 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,570 like, the skirts and the pants and the, the layering pieces, 687 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:42,364 and I showed them, 688 00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:45,075 and then Barbara Weiser, who was from Charivari, 689 00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:46,702 who I'd become very friendly with, 690 00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:49,288 she saw my work in that show 691 00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:52,374 and she said, "I would love to produce these sweaters." 692 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:54,543 MARC: And then in order to make fun of the polka dots 693 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:55,961 and to make them even less serious, 694 00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,422 and what I think is... is and always will be 695 00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:02,050 a wonderful image, is the smiley face of the '70s 696 00:30:02,092 --> 00:30:03,719 because people can't help but smile 697 00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,137 and sort of laugh when they see it. 698 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:08,223 It's, it's, uh, you know, it's really a pop icon 699 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,350 and it's something that'll be around for a long time. 700 00:30:10,392 --> 00:30:11,893 And then with the sweaters, 701 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:15,689 we did opera length... mittens. 702 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:17,899 These are mittens that are knit 703 00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:20,652 past the elbow, and again, I put little smiley faces 704 00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:23,363 on the palms of the, of the, uh, mitten. 705 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:25,240 So that was my first commercial venture, 706 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:28,910 and the label said, "Marc Jacobs for Marc and Barbara." 707 00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:30,537 ("Hey! DJ" by The World's Famous Supreme Team playing) 708 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,080 ♪ Hit it ♪ 709 00:30:32,122 --> 00:30:33,165 ♪ Huh ♪ 710 00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:37,669 ♪ We would like to dedicate this record ♪ 711 00:30:37,753 --> 00:30:39,463 ♪ To all the DJs in the entire world... ♪ 712 00:30:39,546 --> 00:30:41,673 INTERVIEWER: I know you and Marc really go way back. 713 00:30:41,757 --> 00:30:42,799 What is it about that camaraderie? 714 00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:44,217 I mean, why is it so important 715 00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:45,886 to have that support from your peers? 716 00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:47,137 Well, thank God there's Marc. 717 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:48,472 -I mean, you know... -Yeah. 718 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:49,806 It-It's like... 719 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:51,933 I-I think that, um, it just makes 720 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,226 New York much more exciting. 721 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,812 ANNA SUI: One night, it must've been 1981, 722 00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:58,357 I saw him at Danceteria on the dance floor. 723 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,984 After that, I became, like, very aware of Marc 724 00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:02,819 and, like, his style, 725 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,530 and then all of a sudden he was the news 726 00:31:05,614 --> 00:31:07,366 with his Sketchbook collection. 727 00:31:07,449 --> 00:31:10,827 ♪ Hey, DJ, just play that song, keep me dancing all night ♪ 728 00:31:10,911 --> 00:31:13,997 ♪ Thanks, girls, now thank DJs, MCs, cable TV ♪ 729 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,333 ♪ And radio station personalities ♪ 730 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:18,877 (fading): ♪ For the new tunes we hear today... ♪ 731 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,254 (low, indistinct talking) 732 00:31:28,595 --> 00:31:30,263 SOFIA: The grunge collection wasn't the first thing 733 00:31:30,347 --> 00:31:32,182 you did with Perry Ellis, was it? 734 00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:33,683 MARC: No, it was the last. 735 00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:35,185 -Oh, yeah. Did you get fired? -(laughs) 736 00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:36,645 -Did you get fired? -No, that... 737 00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:37,979 -It's a misconception... -Oh. 738 00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:39,523 -...but I really like, I like it. -Yeah. 739 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:40,982 You know, I like that, like, 740 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:42,651 -"Oh, I did this collection... -So scandalous. 741 00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:44,403 "...and I got fired for it and it was, like, you know, 742 00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:46,822 and I was so young, and I was fired," and duh, duh... 743 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,740 But it isn't really the truth. 744 00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,451 -But I mean, it's-it's the story I like to go with. -Right. 745 00:31:51,535 --> 00:31:53,495 But why was the collection, like, scandalous? 746 00:31:53,537 --> 00:31:55,872 It just seemed like that's what people were... I don't know. 747 00:31:55,956 --> 00:31:57,249 -I was excited that it was... -I guess people were 748 00:31:57,332 --> 00:32:00,335 very easily... easily scandalized. 749 00:32:00,377 --> 00:32:02,087 -I mean, why... -You're rocking the boat. 750 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:04,423 You know, I don't know why Saint Laurent's, like, 751 00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:06,174 Forties collection was so scandalous either. 752 00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:07,676 SOFIA: Yeah, it was called The Scandal Collection. 753 00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,094 I don't get that. 754 00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:10,679 Oh, because it was too close to the war. 755 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,514 MARC: Yeah, but when you look at those clothes, 756 00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:14,224 does it really look like wartime clo-- 757 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:15,725 It didn't-- like, I-I get it. 758 00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:17,519 It's, it was a really great look, 759 00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:19,187 and I think that moment 760 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:21,857 in the '70s where they embraced the '30s and '40s, 761 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,026 -like... -That's my favorite, too. 762 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:26,611 MARC: ...the chicest thing. 763 00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:28,572 ("A Whiter Shade of Pale" by Ronnie Aldrich playing) 764 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:46,715 ♪ ♪ 765 00:32:49,259 --> 00:32:51,094 MARC: Interior-wise, 766 00:32:51,178 --> 00:32:52,971 clothing-wise, like, 767 00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:56,057 I just feel like so much stylization, 768 00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:58,226 like, through the '70s lens, 769 00:32:58,268 --> 00:33:00,437 -that stuff just looks incredible. -SOFIA: I know. 770 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,564 It's the best. 771 00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,065 ♪ ♪ 772 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,151 MARC: I guess, I guess it's like everything. 773 00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:07,903 It's all... relative, right? 774 00:33:07,944 --> 00:33:11,072 So, like, what was happening in fashion 775 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:14,701 and, like, how women looked, how they were photographed, 776 00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:16,119 what kind of clothes they wore, 777 00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:17,621 you know, like models, 778 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:19,456 and then all of a sudden there was this shift 779 00:33:19,539 --> 00:33:21,583 with Corinne Day and Juergen Teller, David Sims, 780 00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:23,919 and it was all about, like, 781 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,254 you know, Kate Moss in a pair of panties 782 00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:27,923 with, like, some fairy lights, you know, like... 783 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,468 I think women couldn't become that. 784 00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:34,095 Like, they couldn't take that picture to their hairdresser 785 00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:35,472 and say, like, "I want to look like this." 786 00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:36,932 -Oh, right. -Do you know what I mean? 787 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,475 It was like an unachievable... 788 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:39,851 beauty. 789 00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:41,561 And then, you know, look at Courtney. 790 00:33:41,645 --> 00:33:43,772 Like, you know, here was this really strong woman, 791 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:47,275 and, like, she... her hair was fried and bleached, 792 00:33:47,317 --> 00:33:49,027 and, like, her lipstick was all over her face, 793 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:51,780 and she was wearing a torn dress 794 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,281 that was about five sizes too small. 795 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,076 I think that was part of the scandal, was that 796 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,662 it was just, like, so shocking. 797 00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:02,332 The thing that scares people the most is, like, anything natural. 798 00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:04,251 You know, because they can't aff-- 799 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:06,419 -It's just hard to affect, right? -Oh, right, right. 800 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,632 SOFIA: Tell me about Cindy Sherman. 801 00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:12,884 MARC: She's great. 802 00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:16,054 Cindy's great and so inspiring. 803 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,431 This idea of, like, inventing yourself 804 00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:21,434 and, um, make... creating this character, 805 00:34:21,518 --> 00:34:24,603 this cinematic character, and, like, she made that her art 806 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:26,815 and then did it so, so perfectly. 807 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:30,485 It was the Film Stills that were the first body of work 808 00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:34,281 of Cindy's that I knew of and that I fell in love with. 809 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:37,117 And I think it's almost so cliché 810 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,409 to be a designer and say, like, 811 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:39,869 "Oh, Cindy Sherman's Film Stills," 812 00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:41,538 'cause, it's, like, it's a go-to. 813 00:34:41,621 --> 00:34:43,123 You know, it's like saying Audrey Hepburn 814 00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:44,541 in Breakfast at Tiffany's. 815 00:34:44,623 --> 00:34:47,085 It's like, Cindy Sherman in Film Stills. 816 00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:56,011 Let's open this up and just sew it on 817 00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:57,846 -a little more softly. -ANNA: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 818 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:00,473 -Uh, instead a little nailed down here, right? -Right, right. 819 00:35:00,557 --> 00:35:03,476 Just want to make sure it stays there, okay? 820 00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:07,355 So it's just, like, all the styles that are happening. 821 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:09,190 So everyone knows what's going on. 822 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:11,568 SOFIA: Oh, cool. 823 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:14,988 -This is what they're working on now? -JOSEPH: Yeah. 824 00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:17,365 So, these are, like, the sequin dresses. 825 00:35:17,407 --> 00:35:19,492 I, you know, the different, like... 826 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:23,204 So I've made the first one, the second one. Like, we want... 827 00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:25,206 SOFIA: Are those gonna get sequins added to them? 828 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,001 No. These are just to check and shape by it. 829 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:29,919 So is it just toile in that kind of fabric? 830 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:32,047 Yes, yeah, exactly. 831 00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:34,507 I think the future of fashion, 832 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:37,927 the future of the world is about not living by rules 833 00:35:38,011 --> 00:35:39,846 that were established 30 years ago 834 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,348 but by doing what's right for you 835 00:35:41,431 --> 00:35:42,807 and respecting the things around you. 836 00:35:42,891 --> 00:35:45,727 And I-I don't mean to get, like, too philosophical, 837 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,271 but I think that I do what I do 838 00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:49,898 and somebody down the block does what they do, 839 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:51,149 and we can all do our own thing, 840 00:35:51,232 --> 00:35:52,442 and girls can wear what they want 841 00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:54,819 and when they want and how they want. 842 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:58,073 I'm hoping, in the future, that people stop labeling things 843 00:35:58,114 --> 00:35:59,908 like '60s or '70s or this or that, 844 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:01,868 because all of these things exist, 845 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:03,536 and they, to me, they're all classics, you know? 846 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,539 And I think we use natural fabrics 847 00:36:06,623 --> 00:36:10,627 and we make, I make the clothes that I like at this moment. 848 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,463 I show things in a certain way to project a spirit, 849 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,048 but I don't expect people to copy 850 00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:16,549 what I've done on the runway. 851 00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:18,426 I think that if you like a shirt you see on the runway, 852 00:36:18,468 --> 00:36:20,428 then you buy a shirt-- you don't need to buy the whole thing. 853 00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,264 And if you like the outfit, you should make it work for you. 854 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:24,933 You know what I mean? Not everyone is gonna look good 855 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:27,268 in a long skirt or a short skirt or a sheer skirt. 856 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:28,770 So you choose what's right for you. 857 00:36:28,812 --> 00:36:30,313 You should never listen to a designer, 858 00:36:30,397 --> 00:36:31,940 especially a man designer. 859 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:32,941 I mean, I can't wear these clothes. 860 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:34,317 It doesn't matter. 861 00:36:34,401 --> 00:36:36,945 You know? It's just a fantasy for me. 862 00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:39,322 ("Little People (Black City)" by Matthew Dear playing) 863 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,285 SOFIA: When did you start doing Louis Vuitton? 864 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:45,620 MARC: 1997. 865 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:46,621 Oh. 866 00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:49,666 And Perry Ellis was over in 1993. Right? 867 00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:52,627 And then there was a year off, which was '94... 868 00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:54,170 So '95 to '97, 869 00:36:54,254 --> 00:36:56,840 I was doing collections with Robert over there. 870 00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:58,341 SOFIA: Oh. And then, 871 00:36:58,425 --> 00:37:00,510 they didn't have clothes at Vuitton before... 872 00:37:00,593 --> 00:37:02,429 -You had to... -No, they never had anything. 873 00:37:02,512 --> 00:37:04,514 Just bags and luggage. 874 00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,182 SOFIA: Was it hard to make that different 875 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:08,476 than what you were doing at Marc? Or, like, 876 00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:10,645 -did you get a different frame of mind? -Yes. 877 00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:11,938 -Or was it really... -Yes and no. 878 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,816 It-it seemed... it seemed... 879 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:18,069 like, really impossible to make it different, 880 00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,113 but then, I think there was one day 881 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,364 where I came to this realization 882 00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:22,866 that as soon as I get on the plane 883 00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:24,409 and go to Paris, it's automatically different. 884 00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:27,287 Like, I could, I could say, like, 885 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,038 I love a black T-shirt in New York, 886 00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:31,166 and I know that what that black T-shirt would look like 887 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,917 and what fabric it would be in. 888 00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:36,546 But if I say I love a black T-shirt, once I go to Paris, 889 00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:38,214 I know that it would be, like, super finished, 890 00:37:38,298 --> 00:37:39,716 it would be this, it would be that. 891 00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:41,259 It would be a different black T-shirt, so 892 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:43,178 I did, I did come to that realization 893 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:45,263 that, like, I could love the same thing 894 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,849 but in two places it will be two different things. 895 00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:50,894 ("Sept heures du matin" by Jacqueline Taïeb playing) 896 00:37:53,855 --> 00:37:56,065 (song continues with lyrics in French) 897 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,076 (scatting) 898 00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:13,124 WOMAN: I really think about your time at Louis Vuitton 899 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:15,376 and a lot of those collaborations, 900 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,170 like, with Pharrell, for example, 901 00:38:17,253 --> 00:38:19,047 and I feel like those are people that 902 00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:22,133 are maybe not necessarily thought of within the context 903 00:38:22,217 --> 00:38:23,676 of a luxury brand like that. 904 00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:27,388 So, did those collaborations feel risky at the time, 905 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:30,391 or how was it experiencing those with them 906 00:38:30,475 --> 00:38:32,727 and bringing them into something like that? 907 00:38:32,769 --> 00:38:34,771 Hmm. Um... 908 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:40,235 I... honestly didn't... 909 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:43,780 This is... I didn't really overthink, think them. 910 00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:46,074 I thought it was great that Pharrell 911 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:47,534 was interested in making sunglasses, 912 00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:49,536 and I was like, "Yeah, come on, let's do it." 913 00:38:49,619 --> 00:38:52,288 Like, I really didn't overthink it. 914 00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,499 I have gone from a place at Louis Vuitton 915 00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:57,669 in the beginning where I was trying to be, 916 00:38:57,752 --> 00:39:01,422 you know, a good soldier and please everybody, 917 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:03,800 and then I just kind of got fed up and it was like, 918 00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:05,301 "You know what? That's not what I'm here for. 919 00:39:05,385 --> 00:39:07,720 I'm here to... to be creative." 920 00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:09,514 So I wanted to work with Stephen Sprouse. 921 00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:10,974 I wanted to work with Pharrell. 922 00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:12,600 I wanted to work with Nigo. 923 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,769 Whatever it was, I just said, "We're going to do it." 924 00:39:14,811 --> 00:39:16,688 What's really interesting is that now 925 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:19,440 some of those people who were so resistant 926 00:39:19,482 --> 00:39:22,443 now are saying, you know, how great certain things were, 927 00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:24,070 and it's just like, when, you know, 928 00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:25,947 and I roll my eyes in my head, and I just think, 929 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:28,616 like, "Ugh, they were all arguing against this, 930 00:39:28,658 --> 00:39:30,451 and now they all think it's, like, the greatest thing." 931 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:33,121 But whatever, that's sometimes the way life is. 932 00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:34,956 Under the tutelage of Marc, 933 00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:37,375 I mean, you know, he-he's an amazing guy. 934 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:40,587 He's been so gracious and so generous 935 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:45,508 and-and with-with, uh, his intelligence and his direction. 936 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:50,763 The greatest taste, greatest designer unto yourself, 937 00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:54,142 greatest taste and people that you have 938 00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:56,185 and would like to collaborate with, 939 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,480 I mean, just like GOAT, GOAT, GOAT level. 940 00:39:59,564 --> 00:40:00,899 -GOAT level. -(Marc scoffs) 941 00:40:00,982 --> 00:40:04,319 -Thanks. -Like-like, people know who Murakami is. 942 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,946 He has a really incredible, 943 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,615 you know, portfolio. 944 00:40:08,698 --> 00:40:10,909 Man, when you gave him that platform 945 00:40:10,992 --> 00:40:14,787 to do what you guys did together, 946 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:18,666 it was like a magnet for so many of us who were 947 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:20,376 watching the brand, like... 948 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:22,503 we're like, "Okay, Vuitton is a different place." 949 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:25,798 ("Kiss and Tell" by Bryan Ferry playing) 950 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,225 MARC: For me, collaborating with artists of different types-- 951 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:38,853 musicians, contemporary artists, 952 00:40:38,895 --> 00:40:41,648 um, actors-- we all share that passion, 953 00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:45,109 which is the idea of creating something, changing something. 954 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:46,736 And that's very exciting. 955 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:48,571 Looks like, uh, the kind of new era 956 00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:52,533 because the art become to the exactly the entertainment. 957 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:56,537 Like, you know, the first time people mention for the 958 00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:58,039 correlation with fashion and art, 959 00:40:58,081 --> 00:41:01,292 but maybe in the near future, they see the, you know, 960 00:41:01,376 --> 00:41:03,211 the kind of, uh, new entertainment. 961 00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:05,463 ("Veridis Quo" by Daft Punk playing) 962 00:41:08,591 --> 00:41:11,427 Oh, I thought the show was beautiful and exciting, 963 00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:13,388 and I loved the Richard Prince naughty nurses. 964 00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,223 ♪ ♪ 965 00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:28,736 There was some really great, uh, French punks in the art world. 966 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:33,574 You know, Duchamp was, like, the ultimate punk rock artist, 967 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:35,660 and that was part of what I thought about 968 00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:37,704 when I came here. 969 00:41:37,787 --> 00:41:39,747 This is like so much of French culture. 970 00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:42,875 It's, like, in order to, like, in order to change something 971 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:44,919 and in order to make it cool, like, you have to deface it. 972 00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:46,504 Like, you have to show it no respect. 973 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:48,589 You know, like, and so, 974 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:50,758 so that thinking kind of brought me 975 00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:54,512 to the idea of graffiti or defacing this, like, you know, 976 00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,389 "You can't touch the monogrammed print. 977 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:57,849 It's sacred," and duh, duh, duh. 978 00:41:57,932 --> 00:41:59,434 I was like, "Yeah, we should just write all over it." 979 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,686 ♪ ♪ 980 00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:08,943 SOFIA: Were they like, "No, you can't"? 981 00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:10,319 Yeah, they said, "No, you can't." (laughs) 982 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:11,738 And then how did you push it through? 983 00:42:11,821 --> 00:42:13,406 Well, then they said, like, 984 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:15,283 "Well, you can do it, but we're not going to produce it." 985 00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:16,909 And then it kind of blew up, 986 00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:19,162 and then, like, everybody wanted it, 987 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,789 and, like, people were calling and saying, "When can I get it?" 988 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:24,292 And the stores were take... There were, like, waiting lists 989 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:27,128 for these bags that they weren't planning on producing. 990 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:29,797 And, um, and then all the counterfeiters came out 991 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:32,300 with them, and so, like, they were appearing everywhere 992 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:33,718 whether they wanted to or not. 993 00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,262 ("Love to Love You Baby" by Tom Tom Club playing) 994 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:37,680 ♪ I... ♪ 995 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:40,141 GRACE CODDINGTON: I-I think along the same way 996 00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:41,601 as-as he does. 997 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,895 I mean, he always has a romance to his clothes 998 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:45,855 and things that I've always... 999 00:42:45,938 --> 00:42:48,191 And I'm kind of romantic, too, so... 1000 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:51,444 So I-I go towards that, um... 1001 00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,196 So I think, uh, 1002 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:54,739 I want to say it was love at first sight, 1003 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,199 -but... -(Marc laughs) 1004 00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:59,994 ♪ I love to love you, baby... ♪ 1005 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,663 GRACE: And I've seen just about every Marc show 1006 00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:04,999 since he began, I guess. 1007 00:43:05,041 --> 00:43:08,878 I'm a huge fan, and I-I'm a huge fan for a very good reason 1008 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:12,965 in that I think, you know, he's quite remarkable. 1009 00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:15,176 I-I don't know, somehow he always hits it 1010 00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:17,053 on the head for me. 1011 00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:19,680 SOFIA: I like your ladylike version, too. 1012 00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,432 MARC: There's a lot of ladylike stuff. 1013 00:43:21,516 --> 00:43:23,101 Having dressed Winona for her trial. 1014 00:43:23,184 --> 00:43:25,561 (chuckles): Having dressed Lil' Kim for her trial. 1015 00:43:25,645 --> 00:43:27,688 You know, and they... and then it's like, 1016 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,148 as soon as they need to put on this kind of 1017 00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:30,983 image of propriety-- 1018 00:43:31,067 --> 00:43:34,070 -the Winona ones are close to classics. -(Sofia laughs) 1019 00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:35,905 I think I'm gonna always look at it as a costume 1020 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,032 -because it-it just feels like it belongs... -Yeah. 1021 00:43:38,074 --> 00:43:39,784 ...to somebody who's got maturity 1022 00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:41,536 -that I don't, or that... -That's so true. 1023 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:43,538 ...you know, that belongs to another time. 1024 00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:44,956 -"Go to Marc." (chuckles) -Yeah. 1025 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:46,833 "He'll dress you for your trial." 1026 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,752 MAN: Courtney Love, is it true that, in 1993, 1027 00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:52,672 did you offer Eldon Hoke $50,000 1028 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:54,549 to murder your husband Kurt Cobain? 1029 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:56,384 Oh, God, Richard Lee. 1030 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:58,886 You suck so bad. 1031 00:43:58,928 --> 00:44:01,389 ("Sugar Water" by Cibo Matto playing) 1032 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:03,766 ♪ The velocity of time ♪ 1033 00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:09,188 ♪ Turns her voice into ♪ 1034 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,277 ♪ Sugar water ♪ 1035 00:44:16,279 --> 00:44:17,488 ♪ ♪ 1036 00:44:17,572 --> 00:44:20,241 (vocalizing) 1037 00:44:23,578 --> 00:44:26,998 (speaking French) 1038 00:44:46,058 --> 00:44:48,269 -(laughing): Wow. -(others exclaiming) 1039 00:44:48,311 --> 00:44:50,313 Look at that. 1040 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,608 That is so insane. 1041 00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:55,193 That is sick in the head. 1042 00:44:55,276 --> 00:44:56,736 (vocalizing in song) 1043 00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,447 MARC: This is so nuts. 1044 00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:08,414 ♪ The buildings are changing into coconut trees ♪ 1045 00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:10,958 ♪ Little by little. ♪ 1046 00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:16,214 (song fades) 1047 00:45:17,048 --> 00:45:20,885 MARC: In talking about what we were making with clothes, 1048 00:45:20,968 --> 00:45:22,386 let's see it blown up, you know, 1049 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:24,472 Joseph was like, "Let's just see it blown up really big 1050 00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:26,015 "and see how we feel about it. 1051 00:45:26,098 --> 00:45:28,142 Or let's see it really flat, you know." 1052 00:45:28,184 --> 00:45:31,562 And either one of those things would bring the approach 1053 00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,231 to making the bags in line 1054 00:45:33,314 --> 00:45:36,150 with the approach to making the clothes. 1055 00:45:37,235 --> 00:45:39,153 There's a leather mock-up that... 1056 00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,906 I mean, they did a leather prototype from this mock-up. 1057 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:45,076 -Yeah. -It was, uh... And then... 1058 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,869 -WOMAN: It went to the factory. -SOFIA: Oh. 1059 00:45:46,953 --> 00:45:49,497 WOMAN: Yeah. To get... 1060 00:45:49,538 --> 00:45:51,082 -JOSEPH: Made? -Made. -Yeah. 1061 00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:53,251 SOFIA: And when does that stuff all show up? 1062 00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:55,670 When's that show up? Uh... 1063 00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:57,505 -Two days before the show. -WOMAN: Yeah. 1064 00:45:57,588 --> 00:45:58,839 SOFIA: Is it always nerve-racking? 1065 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,132 -WOMAN: Yes. -(laughter) 1066 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:01,175 Always. 1067 00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:03,552 ("Reminiscences" by Nigel Hess playing) 1068 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:23,447 ♪ ♪ 1069 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:39,213 (music ends) 1070 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:42,758 It needs to be like dead Barbie. 1071 00:46:42,842 --> 00:46:44,802 (chuckles) 1072 00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:46,554 Not pink enough. 1073 00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:50,516 JIN: Okay, hers is okay. 1074 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:51,809 MARC: Um, what length are you... 1075 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,227 Can you cut the girls nails, or no? 1076 00:46:53,311 --> 00:46:55,271 JIN: Just reg... So their-their length. 1077 00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,898 -Short. Short, yeah. -MAN: Yeah, short. 1078 00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,984 MARC: Sh-Short, but... 1079 00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:03,195 Short like boyish short or girlish short? 1080 00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:05,239 -Like...? -JIN: Round short. 1081 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:06,741 -MARC: Round short like that. Okay. -JIN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1082 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:09,160 -Not, not too square. -MARC: No. 1083 00:47:09,243 --> 00:47:11,454 -No, it's too bright. -JIN: No? 1084 00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:19,754 It should be a, it should be that but pink. 1085 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:21,297 Oh, hello, Mr. Nimmo. 1086 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,883 NIMMO: Um, what do you actually sell here? 1087 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:25,593 VIVIANNE: Um, clothes. 1088 00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:28,429 These, uh, cardigans you can see through, sort of woollies. 1089 00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,432 VIVIENNE: Mm. These restrict your arm movement somewhat. 1090 00:47:31,515 --> 00:47:33,768 So you're really caught right down there in bondage. 1091 00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,603 Yes, but it's... But to move in that 1092 00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:37,688 has a lot of style and flair, because as you move, 1093 00:47:37,772 --> 00:47:39,607 you can sort of see through some of the... 1094 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:40,941 -No, when you wear this... -Yes. 1095 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,860 ...you can see sort of, you know, 1096 00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:44,487 a body here with bits of lacy stuff in between... 1097 00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:46,238 MARC: So I just became 1098 00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:49,367 completely, like, obsessed with Vivienne Westwood. 1099 00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:54,121 I'd known of her and Malcolm as being the designers of 1100 00:47:54,163 --> 00:47:56,624 Sex and Seditionaries and, you know, kind of defining 1101 00:47:56,665 --> 00:47:59,043 what punk looked like in London. 1102 00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:01,921 I was just fascinated by her and by what she did. 1103 00:48:01,962 --> 00:48:06,008 Just thought it was, like, style with substance. 1104 00:48:06,092 --> 00:48:10,137 It felt like there was a thought process behind the style, 1105 00:48:10,221 --> 00:48:13,057 as opposed to just arbitrarily making some, 1106 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,518 you know, weird clothing. 1107 00:48:18,604 --> 00:48:20,398 ♪ ♪ 1108 00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:35,121 ♪ ♪ 1109 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:45,381 MARC: And then I got to meet her and 1110 00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,300 we bonded over, actually, Yves Saint Laurent. 1111 00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:51,011 It was the weirdest thing. 1112 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:54,014 So, she was having a show at Bergdorf Goodman... 1113 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:55,599 and they invited me, 1114 00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,144 she and Bergdorf invited me to join this dinner 1115 00:48:58,227 --> 00:48:59,812 after her show at Bergdorf. 1116 00:48:59,854 --> 00:49:02,189 And I was seated next to Vivienne at the table. 1117 00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:05,359 And Vivienne, you know, had a reputation for not... 1118 00:49:05,443 --> 00:49:07,945 If she didn't like you, she made n-- 1119 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,531 Like, she had no problem saying, like, "I'm not int--" 1120 00:49:10,573 --> 00:49:13,826 Like, she didn't make polite conversation, 1121 00:49:13,868 --> 00:49:16,454 and she was not, like, she didn't suffer fools. 1122 00:49:16,537 --> 00:49:18,330 SOFIA: Were you nervous to sit next to her? 1123 00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:20,040 A little bit, a little bit. Yeah. 1124 00:49:20,124 --> 00:49:23,002 I was, I was intimidated and a little nervous. 1125 00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:25,880 But we both drank a lot of red wine at this dinner, 1126 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,465 and everybody-- eventually, 1127 00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:29,216 we were the last two people at the table. 1128 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,969 And then we got into this conversation about 1129 00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:33,971 a mutual love of Yves Saint Laurent. 1130 00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:36,390 I don't know how this happened, but... 1131 00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:40,227 And she, I remember she said, like, "Don't tell anybody." 1132 00:49:40,269 --> 00:49:41,770 Like, like, it was a secret. 1133 00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:43,397 Like, she knew about Saint Laurent 1134 00:49:43,439 --> 00:49:45,065 and I knew about Saint Laurent, but don't let 1135 00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:46,692 the others know about him, you know, like... 1136 00:49:46,734 --> 00:49:49,361 It was a very... it was a very sweet and strange thing. 1137 00:49:49,445 --> 00:49:53,282 Like, they've not discovered the genius of this man, but we know. 1138 00:49:55,659 --> 00:49:57,703 (low conversations) 1139 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:08,631 MARC: So, this elastic 1140 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:10,132 is only this high. 1141 00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:12,384 It's like three... quarter of an inch, or something. 1142 00:50:12,468 --> 00:50:17,681 I just... are we gonna want this to feel more flat? 1143 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,266 We're getting a, um, the elastic 1144 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:20,851 -in the right size. -Oh, a deeper elastic? 1145 00:50:20,935 --> 00:50:22,353 -Okay. -Before the show's happening. 1146 00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:24,980 But, but the point, the rib would be... 1147 00:50:25,064 --> 00:50:27,858 MARC: I remember one of the discussions was, like, 1148 00:50:27,942 --> 00:50:30,819 this fabric that we've used before that was very rounded, 1149 00:50:30,903 --> 00:50:33,572 it was, like, a '60s fabric that's bonded to itself 1150 00:50:33,656 --> 00:50:37,243 and there's one Italian mill that made it back in the '60s. 1151 00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:39,620 And I used it for us and at Vuitton, 1152 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:40,955 but it's very round. 1153 00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:43,290 It doesn't collapse. 1154 00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,000 So when Joseph said, like, 1155 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:46,752 "Maybe me a pair of shorts," it was, like, 1156 00:50:46,794 --> 00:50:49,672 it wasn't so much that I was crazy about the idea of shorts. 1157 00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:52,591 I just like the idea of thinking about something 1158 00:50:52,675 --> 00:50:56,679 I wouldn't typically use that fabric for. 1159 00:50:58,222 --> 00:51:01,350 We just laid these fabrics out to decid-- pick colors 1160 00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,894 -for the sweaters to see what... -SOFIA: Oh. 1161 00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:06,689 sweater top would go with what leather short. 1162 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:08,232 So, you can see over... 1163 00:51:08,315 --> 00:51:10,359 SOFIA: Are the big... are the big shorts leather? 1164 00:51:10,442 --> 00:51:12,695 They are, yeah. They're a bonded leather. 1165 00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:16,907 And so we just put a little swatch next to all the colors 1166 00:51:16,991 --> 00:51:21,453 so we can kind of predict what, um... the look will be. 1167 00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:36,010 MARC: We wanted to make them, like, very naively. 1168 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:37,845 Like, so, we thought, like, 1169 00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,931 "Oh, it should look like you cut it out of fabric 1170 00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:42,600 and you sewed it together yourself." 1171 00:51:42,683 --> 00:51:46,854 And so it had no sophistication whatsoever. 1172 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:50,357 I mean, not true sophistication. 1173 00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:55,237 We made this pair of shorts with that kind of body, 1174 00:51:55,321 --> 00:51:56,864 and we were like, "That looks really good. 1175 00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,324 We really like it." 1176 00:51:58,365 --> 00:52:00,159 Then we liked the idea of it with sexy shoes 1177 00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:02,286 from the Trompe L'Oeil collection, 1178 00:52:02,369 --> 00:52:04,955 and that was kind of how it started 1179 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,000 when we... when we both, 1180 00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:10,210 Jospeh and I, had this immediate reaction 1181 00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:12,046 to, like, Delilah in this red sweater 1182 00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:14,048 with these, like, weird shorts 1183 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:15,716 and then a pair of high heel shoes. 1184 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:19,011 And we're like, "Yeah, that looks like what we want to do." 1185 00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:21,430 (crowd chatter) 1186 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:26,101 You know, we thought we would see one body... 1187 00:52:26,185 --> 00:52:27,686 -ANNA: Right, right. -...neoprene 1188 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:30,230 and one body double knit, and if we liked the double knit, 1189 00:52:30,272 --> 00:52:31,857 -that's what we would do the group. -Right. 1190 00:52:31,899 --> 00:52:34,985 -You see? So we were doing it originally... -Right, right. 1191 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:37,655 ...to see which one we preferred. 1192 00:52:37,738 --> 00:52:40,783 It's tricky, 'cause I need to order the panels. 1193 00:52:40,866 --> 00:52:42,534 -Well... -For... So... 1194 00:52:42,618 --> 00:52:44,953 But if it's double knit, you wouldn't be ordering 1195 00:52:45,037 --> 00:52:46,413 -a panel, would you? -Exactly. 1196 00:52:46,497 --> 00:52:47,748 Right now, I'm planning for it to be double knit. 1197 00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:49,291 But if you want to... 1198 00:52:49,375 --> 00:52:52,544 But only one body you're planning to be double knit. 1199 00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:54,088 -WOMAN: Correct. -ANNA: This style... 1200 00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:55,756 Right, the zip-up hoodie is gonna be bonded. 1201 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,925 Right. And what we were thinking was we would choose... 1202 00:52:57,966 --> 00:52:59,385 There would be one thing in the end. 1203 00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:00,636 -...and then you would do... -Do one thing. 1204 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,513 -Got it. -So that, for us, is a test. 1205 00:53:02,596 --> 00:53:03,806 -I see. -Yeah. 1206 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:06,433 I remember, um, I had a Groucho Marx T-shirt 1207 00:53:06,475 --> 00:53:09,103 that I was particularly proud of that I wore with suspenders, 1208 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,688 and it was pre-Mork & Mindy, 1209 00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:13,357 (laughing): but it was very that kind of look. 1210 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,276 But, um, yeah, I had a, like, this-- 1211 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,612 I don't know what in the world or where it came from, 1212 00:53:18,654 --> 00:53:20,656 but I was, like, really enamored with this, like, 1213 00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:22,324 Groucho Marx T-shirt. 1214 00:53:22,408 --> 00:53:25,452 But I was pretty meticulous when it came to clothes. 1215 00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:27,371 Like, I folded everything perfectly. 1216 00:53:27,454 --> 00:53:29,957 I mean, I folded T-shirts perfectly 1217 00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:31,542 and, like, all that stuff, 1218 00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:33,127 so I always made sure it was on a good hanger 1219 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,837 so the shoulders didn't stretch... 1220 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,841 Like, I... I had such a relationship with clothing. 1221 00:53:39,425 --> 00:53:43,846 My first outfit that I ever made was a blue, 1222 00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:47,725 like, a baby blue gas station attendant jumpsuit. 1223 00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:49,643 And that was one of the things that I thought, 1224 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,980 like, I saw... I saw, I mean, I must've seen, 1225 00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,149 'cause I don't know how I would've gotten in my head, 1226 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:56,608 like, "That's a cool thing to wear," 1227 00:53:56,692 --> 00:54:00,279 but there must've been some grown-up kid 1228 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,990 wearing, like... and I feel like it had, like, 1229 00:54:03,031 --> 00:54:04,408 patches all over it. Like, you know, 1230 00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:06,952 like a, like a gas station attendant. 1231 00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:09,830 Anyway, I had it in my head that that was, like, 1232 00:54:09,872 --> 00:54:12,249 the cool thing and that the only way I was gonna get one 1233 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,792 is if I learned how to make it. 1234 00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:16,837 So I had, like, a home ec class where we learned to sew, 1235 00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:19,381 and that was the first thing I-I sewed. 1236 00:54:19,465 --> 00:54:21,592 -JOSEPH: How's it going, over here? It's okay? -Good. 1237 00:54:21,675 --> 00:54:23,469 -Yeah, yeah. -Cloth big enough, Kenny? 1238 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:25,304 -I don't know. (laughing) -Is it big enough? 1239 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,014 Are you gonna make it work out, Kenny? 1240 00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:29,349 Yeah, of course you will. 1241 00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:31,268 ANNA: Yeah, I can find some swatches. 1242 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:32,478 MARC: Yeah, I just want to see, 1243 00:54:32,561 --> 00:54:34,521 -like, 14 or 18. -Right, right, right. 1244 00:54:34,563 --> 00:54:38,025 If it's feasible with the timing, I'm concerned. 1245 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,236 'Cause it takes multiple steps, 1246 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,405 you know, like, the-the shaping and the... 1247 00:54:43,489 --> 00:54:45,324 So we can try, but... 1248 00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:47,242 They can put a man on the moon. 1249 00:54:47,326 --> 00:54:49,369 LA LA ANTHONY: So, Paris, let me start with you. 1250 00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:51,413 I just feel so excited to be here 1251 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,874 with the legend Marc Jacobs. 1252 00:54:53,916 --> 00:54:55,751 -I just did his campaign, and it was so incredible. -Wow. 1253 00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:58,420 And I'm just loving the dress that he made for me tonight. 1254 00:54:58,504 --> 00:55:00,214 The dress is absolutely stunning. 1255 00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:01,590 Marc, tell us about this dress. 1256 00:55:01,673 --> 00:55:03,091 Well, this dress, I'd say... 1257 00:55:03,175 --> 00:55:04,551 You know, like, I believe in collaborat-- 1258 00:55:04,593 --> 00:55:06,053 -Do you want me to hold this? -Yeah, yeah. 1259 00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:09,223 Yeah, okay. So, you know, um, collaboration of a sort. 1260 00:55:09,264 --> 00:55:10,766 So it was like a thing... 1261 00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,643 First of all, to dress Paris Hilton 1262 00:55:12,726 --> 00:55:14,353 is like how the fuck do you-- Oh, sorry-- 1263 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:15,979 how do you do that, right? 1264 00:55:16,063 --> 00:55:18,398 So I thought, like, "Well, maybe it would be interesting 1265 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,150 "and exciting to see her in a black gown, you know? 1266 00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:22,027 'Cause it's not typical for Paris." 1267 00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:23,612 So we approached her with the idea, 1268 00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:25,072 and then we added the idea of leather, 1269 00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:26,740 and she was all game and everything. 1270 00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:29,701 And then she had some comments, like, "I need a little sparkle," 1271 00:55:29,785 --> 00:55:31,411 -and, "Could you make this fabric here?" -Right. 1272 00:55:31,495 --> 00:55:33,288 And we worked together and made it happen, 1273 00:55:33,372 --> 00:55:34,540 and she looks fantastic. 1274 00:55:34,623 --> 00:55:36,708 SOFIA: Do you ever feel like, um, 1275 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,086 you're the successful designer that as a ki-- 1276 00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:42,589 your kid self would be... proud of? 1277 00:55:42,673 --> 00:55:44,299 Or, like, that... do you ever feel like, "Oh, wow, 1278 00:55:44,383 --> 00:55:45,843 I'm living the life that..." 1279 00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:48,637 the fantasy life of... of your kid self? 1280 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,347 MARC: I think, as a young person, 1281 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:52,516 I believed... 1282 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,309 that this could happen, 1283 00:55:54,393 --> 00:55:56,019 although I'm not really sure I did. 1284 00:55:56,103 --> 00:55:57,771 You know, like, now I think, 1285 00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:00,399 like, "Oh, yeah, I was like, I'm totally gonna make it." 1286 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:02,943 I know sometimes, um, before a show had happened, 1287 00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:05,779 I-I'd just kind of see, like, as the lineup was formed 1288 00:56:05,863 --> 00:56:07,990 and the show was getting ready to start, 1289 00:56:08,073 --> 00:56:11,368 and I'd kind of have these, like, outer-body experiences-- 1290 00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:12,911 I don't really even know what that means-- 1291 00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:15,122 but, like, I was looking at myself saying, like, 1292 00:56:15,163 --> 00:56:16,623 "What are you doing here?" 1293 00:56:16,707 --> 00:56:18,292 Like, "You can't... this can't be you having this show." 1294 00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:19,835 You know, like, it was just like... 1295 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:21,295 SOFIA: When you see all the models and the clothes 1296 00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:22,671 -and they're coming together. -Yeah. 1297 00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,506 And I'd have it, like, season after season, 1298 00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:26,258 -so it wasn't, like... -Oh. 1299 00:56:26,341 --> 00:56:27,759 ...with time that went away. 1300 00:56:27,801 --> 00:56:29,344 It was still that same kind of thing, like, 1301 00:56:29,428 --> 00:56:31,513 "I can't believe this is happening for me." 1302 00:56:31,597 --> 00:56:32,973 You don't know how to do the Hustle? 1303 00:56:33,015 --> 00:56:34,725 No, I do not know how to do hustle bustle. 1304 00:56:34,808 --> 00:56:36,476 -You're too young. Come on. -I'm not too young... 1305 00:56:36,518 --> 00:56:38,645 Do this. You have to do the slide thing. 1306 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:39,688 Follow me. Don't be so stiff. 1307 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:41,523 -I can't do this. -Relax, relax. 1308 00:56:41,607 --> 00:56:43,984 SOFIA: Do you ever feel satisfied by a collection? 1309 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:45,861 Like, that it turns out the way you imagined it? 1310 00:56:45,944 --> 00:56:47,362 Or you never know what it's gonna be? 1311 00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:49,239 MARC: Um, I feel... 1312 00:56:49,323 --> 00:56:50,866 That was... 1313 00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:54,036 There was that one show we did with Karole Armitage 1314 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:55,537 right before the, um... 1315 00:56:55,621 --> 00:56:56,830 Oh, the dance one? 1316 00:56:56,914 --> 00:56:59,124 -Yeah. Yeah. -Right before the pandemic? 1317 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:00,459 (indistinct chatter) 1318 00:57:00,542 --> 00:57:01,835 MARC: We're all sitting around, 1319 00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:03,587 trying to think, like, "What is this show?" 1320 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:05,505 Like, we're in the Armory and that's all we know. 1321 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,382 There has to be something 1322 00:57:07,466 --> 00:57:08,675 credible about this. 1323 00:57:08,759 --> 00:57:10,344 There needs to be an idea here. 1324 00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:12,095 Like, I just don't want, like, a bunch of dancers. 1325 00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:14,181 Out of that conversation, 1326 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,142 Karole Armitage's name came to mind. 1327 00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,603 I mean, she was amazing back then. 1328 00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:21,396 It was like if Edie Segwick were a punk ballerina. 1329 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,856 -Wow. -It was very that. 1330 00:57:22,898 --> 00:57:24,691 We started talking about an idea, 1331 00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:26,693 and then we auditioned dancers. 1332 00:57:26,735 --> 00:57:28,570 We saw hundreds of people. 1333 00:57:28,654 --> 00:57:30,364 On the second floor, we created a dance studio, 1334 00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:32,324 and she started choreographing this piece, 1335 00:57:32,407 --> 00:57:33,659 and they were working around the clock. 1336 00:57:33,742 --> 00:57:35,535 And then we had fittings. 1337 00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:36,870 It was crazy. 1338 00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,539 But, see, I-I-- That kind of crazy, I love, 1339 00:57:39,581 --> 00:57:41,500 'cause you just feel like... 1340 00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:43,627 you feel like something's, you know, happening. 1341 00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:46,505 You're making something, and it's exciting and all that. 1342 00:57:46,588 --> 00:57:48,882 And then I was blown away by the show. 1343 00:57:52,177 --> 00:57:55,931 ("Orchestra Rehearsal" by Anton Batagov playing) 1344 00:58:04,731 --> 00:58:06,900 And then we said, 1345 00:58:06,942 --> 00:58:09,403 "Oh, shit, we have to make all these clothes for the dancers." 1346 00:58:09,444 --> 00:58:10,904 We wanted them to be dressed 1347 00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:14,533 in a way that was similar enough to the vibe of the show 1348 00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:17,077 that you would lose the dancers and the models. 1349 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,412 -SOFIA: Yeah, I love that. -You know, that they wouldn't 1350 00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:20,706 be, like... them versus us. 1351 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,001 After that show, 1352 00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:28,755 I had such a feeling that came over me. 1353 00:58:28,797 --> 00:58:33,135 I can re-feel it right now. 1354 00:58:33,677 --> 00:58:36,513 If this was my last show, I'd be happy with... 1355 00:58:36,596 --> 00:58:38,265 Like, I'd be happy, like, 1356 00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:40,600 to end my whole career on this show. 1357 00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:43,478 Like, it just felt-- I was really super satisfied. 1358 00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:44,896 Now, when I go back, 1359 00:58:44,938 --> 00:58:46,940 I still find fault with some of the clothes. 1360 00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,442 -Like, some of the clothes are problematic. -Really? 1361 00:58:48,483 --> 00:58:49,568 -But... -Really? Oh, I... 1362 00:58:49,651 --> 00:58:51,570 -But the show... -No one... 1363 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:53,196 -...as a thing, -(applause) 1364 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,949 as a collaboration, as a thing, 1365 00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:58,493 as a seven-minute piece of theater, 1366 00:58:58,577 --> 00:59:00,787 I thought, was amazing. 1367 00:59:00,829 --> 00:59:02,122 ♪ ♪ 1368 00:59:02,164 --> 00:59:05,000 (cheering, applause) 1369 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,628 -(birds chirping) -(vehicle passes) 1370 00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:10,255 WOMAN: No problem. No problem. 1371 00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:12,716 -MARC: Did you meet Giuseppe? -ROMAN: I did not. 1372 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,302 -How many years we worked together? -30. 1373 00:59:15,343 --> 00:59:16,636 30 years. 1374 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,764 We've been-- He's been working with me on shoes 1375 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:21,558 and making all the shoes for the shows since 30 years. 1376 00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:26,813 I make, uh, 105, 106 défilé with you. 1377 00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:28,982 -MARC: 106 défilé? Yeah. Wow. -Sì. 1378 00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:30,817 -Mm. Why are they so big? -Huh? 1379 00:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,611 Why are they so big? They're men? 1380 00:59:32,694 --> 00:59:34,988 -'Cause they're kind of like clown shoes. -Oh. 1381 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:36,156 (chime dings) 1382 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:40,160 ("Big Spender" by Joseph Gershenson playing) 1383 00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:44,081 ♪ ♪ 1384 00:59:46,166 --> 00:59:48,210 (chime dings) 1385 00:59:54,257 --> 00:59:56,343 Hey, mister, can I talk to you for a minute? 1386 00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:58,011 Got a cigarette for me, mister, huh? 1387 00:59:58,095 --> 00:59:59,971 Hey, mister, do you speak Spanish? 1388 01:00:00,055 --> 01:00:02,224 Hey, tiger, you want to dance? A little dance won't hurt you. 1389 01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:03,809 Come here, cowboy. I want to tell you something. 1390 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:05,727 Moshi, moshi, ikaga desu-ka, baby? 1391 01:00:05,811 --> 01:00:07,354 Ooh, you're so tall. 1392 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:10,023 MARC: So often I like the same images as a starting point. 1393 01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:13,485 And the lineup of all the dance hall girls 1394 01:00:13,568 --> 01:00:16,363 in "Big Spender," you know, in the number in Sweet Charity, 1395 01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:18,657 it's just one of those things, like... 1396 01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:20,992 -That you always... -It's just I'll never... 1397 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:23,328 -not be inspired by that image. -(laughs) 1398 01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:26,206 So there's one scene, and it's all the different dancers 1399 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:28,875 against the, like, bar. 1400 01:00:28,959 --> 01:00:30,544 And you see them all in profile, 1401 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,295 and they all have these different wigs 1402 01:00:32,379 --> 01:00:33,880 and very powdery skin, 1403 01:00:33,964 --> 01:00:37,008 and they just look kind of like broken dolls, 1404 01:00:37,092 --> 01:00:39,761 -in a way that only Fosse could do. -Mm. (chuckles) 1405 01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:43,223 ♪ So let me get right to the point ♪ 1406 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:50,856 ♪ I don't pop my cork for every guy I see ♪ 1407 01:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,733 ♪ Hey, big spender... ♪ 1408 01:00:53,775 --> 01:00:55,110 MARC: And it's so-- it's so right. 1409 01:00:55,193 --> 01:00:56,862 Like... like, to make eye contact 1410 01:00:56,903 --> 01:00:59,906 with the audience is, like, really disturbs people. 1411 01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:03,451 Or to point at them, really. Like, you know, it's really... 1412 01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:06,037 And-and I just-- I thought, like... 1413 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,582 I've looked at this so many times, and I found it 1414 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:11,585 so cool, but I didn't realize, like, 1415 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:12,961 when you broke it down, how, like... 1416 01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:16,715 you know, how smart every little gesture was. 1417 01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:19,843 ("The Pompeii Club (Rich Man's Frug)" playing) 1418 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,310 The precision of every little gesture 1419 01:01:28,393 --> 01:01:34,274 created a feeling of discomfort or titillation 1420 01:01:34,357 --> 01:01:35,525 or whatever it was. 1421 01:01:35,609 --> 01:01:38,320 And he was a really incredible man. 1422 01:01:38,403 --> 01:01:39,487 Like, a really-- genius. 1423 01:01:39,571 --> 01:01:41,364 -SOFIA: Oh, okay. Mm. -MARC: Yeah. 1424 01:01:41,448 --> 01:01:42,908 (indistinct chatter) 1425 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,618 MARC: I think she's just trying to loosen up the models 1426 01:01:44,659 --> 01:01:46,036 a little bit, get them to do what I want 1427 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:47,954 -but, like, also, like, relax. -Yeah. 1428 01:01:48,038 --> 01:01:49,623 -Did you tell her how... their personalities? -Well, yeah. 1429 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:51,791 I said which arms go forward 1430 01:01:51,833 --> 01:01:53,585 -and which arms go behind. -Oh. 1431 01:01:53,668 --> 01:01:55,503 And which arms are out at the side. 1432 01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:56,713 Oh, fun. (chuckles) 1433 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:59,424 (indistinct chatter) 1434 01:01:59,507 --> 01:02:01,968 WOMAN: Hi, everyone. 1435 01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,429 Um, Faye, I'll walk you through so you know it. 1436 01:02:04,471 --> 01:02:08,099 It's a simple... simple runway, but there is a beautiful set 1437 01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,435 that you have to work your way around. So... 1438 01:02:10,518 --> 01:02:12,479 14, Diane. 1439 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,272 15, Caren. 1440 01:02:14,356 --> 01:02:16,066 16, Camille. 1441 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:18,318 17, Luiza. 1442 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,071 18, Victoria. 1443 01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:26,826 MARC: Um, Delilah's little... 1444 01:02:26,868 --> 01:02:29,663 -Yes. Yeah. -Do y... arms out like this? 1445 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,665 (stammering) Uh, I think they're... 1446 01:02:31,706 --> 01:02:33,208 Uh, they can just be in front like this. 1447 01:02:33,291 --> 01:02:34,417 -They can just be in front. -In front of the dress? 1448 01:02:34,501 --> 01:02:35,752 Yeah. Yeah. 1449 01:02:35,835 --> 01:02:37,337 -JOSEPH: I'd say. -MARC: Okay. Okay. 1450 01:02:37,379 --> 01:02:40,173 Let's see. Delilah should keep her arms 1451 01:02:40,257 --> 01:02:41,967 a little bit like this, like a ballerina. 1452 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:43,969 She's got, like, the little white tights 1453 01:02:44,052 --> 01:02:46,263 and that little minidress, but not like-like that. 1454 01:02:46,346 --> 01:02:48,181 But just like... Sh-She does it automatically. 1455 01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:49,849 -Okay. Okay. -If you just tell her... 1456 01:02:49,891 --> 01:02:51,518 -What I don't want is this. -Here she is. 1457 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,853 -Okay. -Delilah, you're gonna be a little bit like this, right? 1458 01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:55,981 -Just like a little ballerina... -Perfect. 1459 01:02:56,064 --> 01:02:57,941 ...cocktail waitress, dance hall girl. 1460 01:02:58,024 --> 01:03:00,151 -"Can I take your order?" -Exactly. 1461 01:03:00,235 --> 01:03:02,988 I think, over the years, what's happened is the story, 1462 01:03:03,071 --> 01:03:05,323 to me, just becomes a-a piece of entertainment. 1463 01:03:05,407 --> 01:03:07,200 Like, it's not about the clothes at all. 1464 01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:10,495 Like, the clothes may be the main part of the story, 1465 01:03:10,578 --> 01:03:12,205 but it's really about, 1466 01:03:12,247 --> 01:03:16,042 like, telling a little story in seven minutes and, you know, 1467 01:03:16,126 --> 01:03:17,877 and-and that's made out of shapes and colors 1468 01:03:17,919 --> 01:03:19,879 and fabrics and... 1469 01:03:19,921 --> 01:03:21,464 Even if it's not abstract, 1470 01:03:21,548 --> 01:03:23,550 there's just more of an abstract approach to it. 1471 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:25,218 Just like... whatever. 1472 01:03:25,302 --> 01:03:26,636 Put this together. Tell the story. 1473 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,723 (indistinct chatter) 1474 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:32,684 She's very Mrs. Robinson, this one. (chuckles) 1475 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:34,519 But not. 1476 01:03:34,561 --> 01:03:37,314 Like Mrs. Robinson if I were redoing The Graduate. (laughs) 1477 01:03:37,397 --> 01:03:39,399 BENJAMIN: You give me a drink, you put on music. 1478 01:03:39,441 --> 01:03:41,609 Now you start opening up your personal life to me 1479 01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:44,070 -and tell me your husband won't be home for hours. -So? 1480 01:03:44,112 --> 01:03:46,406 Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me. 1481 01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:48,825 (laughing) 1482 01:03:52,287 --> 01:03:56,082 ("Ambient Chopin" by Peter Murray playing) 1483 01:03:56,166 --> 01:03:59,044 MARC: I have some very fond memories of watching my mother 1484 01:03:59,127 --> 01:04:01,921 do her makeup when she'd go out on a date. 1485 01:04:02,005 --> 01:04:04,049 I could sit there for hours and sort of watch her 1486 01:04:04,132 --> 01:04:07,969 as she'd choose her clothes and put her makeup on. 1487 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,971 She took a piece of black velvet ribbon 1488 01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:11,931 and she'd scrape it with a knife 1489 01:04:11,973 --> 01:04:13,808 so that she could take the pile from the black velvet 1490 01:04:13,892 --> 01:04:16,936 to make the lashes even thicker and clumpier. 1491 01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:19,064 I just think the idea of transformation 1492 01:04:19,147 --> 01:04:21,608 and creating this person that you want to be 1493 01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:25,612 or show the world at any given time is part of human nature 1494 01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:28,281 and the joy of being a woman, 1495 01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:30,992 man, or-or a person. 1496 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:35,747 (music fades) 1497 01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:37,248 MARC: My father... 1498 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:38,917 SOFIA: He was an agent at William Morris. 1499 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,461 -MARC: Yeah. -Crazy. In New York? 1500 01:04:41,503 --> 01:04:43,963 -MARC: Yeah. Yeah. -Wow. And so he... 1501 01:04:44,005 --> 01:04:45,590 That's where he met my mother. 1502 01:04:45,673 --> 01:04:48,510 She was, like, doing temp work as a receptionist. 1503 01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:50,845 SOFIA: And your dad was an agent for, like, actors and stuff? 1504 01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,680 He was in Variety. 1505 01:04:52,764 --> 01:04:54,474 That was what he did first, which is... 1506 01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:57,268 Then he went to TV. 1507 01:04:57,352 --> 01:05:00,063 TV. But it was right before he died. 1508 01:05:00,146 --> 01:05:03,191 My favorite, favorite memories of my father 1509 01:05:03,274 --> 01:05:05,485 were when he would take me to the office. 1510 01:05:05,568 --> 01:05:06,986 That was, like, the most... 1511 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:09,781 Like, I met the different agents, and you... 1512 01:05:09,864 --> 01:05:12,158 You know, you-- I don't know. I... 1513 01:05:12,242 --> 01:05:14,244 Really, the best memories I have. 1514 01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:16,162 SOFIA: How old were you when you went to live 1515 01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,456 -with your grandmother? -So, I'm always a little bit 1516 01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:19,791 unclear about this, 1517 01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:21,000 'cause I think there was a period of time 1518 01:05:21,084 --> 01:05:22,377 where I was living with her 1519 01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:25,505 but I was still not living with her full-time. 1520 01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:28,133 -You'd just stay with her? -I stayed with her a lot. 1521 01:05:28,216 --> 01:05:32,262 And then I don't know whether it was 13 or 14 1522 01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:35,014 that I was moved-in full-time. 1523 01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:38,184 I had a stepdad who was very... not good 1524 01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:40,019 and, um, not a nice person. 1525 01:05:40,103 --> 01:05:42,981 And he didn't like her, and she didn't like him. 1526 01:05:43,064 --> 01:05:45,024 He forbid me to call her or to see her. 1527 01:05:45,066 --> 01:05:46,818 And I was just, like, not having it. 1528 01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:49,571 (low chatter) 1529 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:55,452 MARC: With Diane, one of the things I was very sure of 1530 01:05:55,535 --> 01:05:59,456 was, like, a very irregular, really exaggerated eyelash. 1531 01:05:59,539 --> 01:06:01,958 And so she used, like, black nail polish, 1532 01:06:02,041 --> 01:06:03,918 like, so they'd have some shine in them. 1533 01:06:04,002 --> 01:06:06,004 But also to make these kind of clumps. 1534 01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:10,133 -Okay, so clump. Clump, clump, clump. -Yeah. Yeah. 1535 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:11,968 Lower one's still not so clumpy. 1536 01:06:12,051 --> 01:06:15,722 -They're very, like, straight line-y. -Yeah. 1537 01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:17,807 (stammers) Is that something you... 1538 01:06:17,891 --> 01:06:19,100 you think it looks better like that? 1539 01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:20,351 No, it's just 'cause we have... 1540 01:06:20,435 --> 01:06:21,895 But then, over time, it starts... 1541 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,563 -They un-pinch? -Yeah. 1542 01:06:23,605 --> 01:06:25,064 MARC: You can't glue them? 1543 01:06:25,106 --> 01:06:26,483 -DIANE: Well, we're using nail polish. -Yeah. 1544 01:06:26,566 --> 01:06:28,151 -DIANE: Yeah. -But... 'Cause you know what I mean? 1545 01:06:28,234 --> 01:06:29,944 -DIANE: Yes. -It's like one, two, three, four. 1546 01:06:30,028 --> 01:06:31,905 -They just look like straight lines. -Yeah. Yeah. 1547 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:33,948 MARC: Whereas here, you get those nice triangles 1548 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:35,658 -and shapes. -Yeah. 1549 01:06:35,742 --> 01:06:37,869 I think we have to... Like, here they're good, aren't they? 1550 01:06:37,952 --> 01:06:40,038 Better. 1551 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,292 -Better. -It's lining on the top, 1552 01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,753 -and then I brush the underneath into it. -Okay. Okay. 1553 01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:51,257 -DIANE: So it's not super defined all over. -Okay. 1554 01:06:51,341 --> 01:06:54,344 DIANE: So you just get the emphasis on the top shape. 1555 01:06:54,427 --> 01:06:56,304 (low chatter) 1556 01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:58,515 -It's like the cut crease, no brow. -Yes. Yeah. 1557 01:06:58,598 --> 01:07:01,643 -Cut crease with a brow. And brow. -Yeah. -Yeah. 1558 01:07:01,726 --> 01:07:04,395 And then there's no brow at all, which was what we saw yesterday. 1559 01:07:04,479 --> 01:07:07,565 -Yeah. -Yes. With nothing on the eye. 1560 01:07:07,649 --> 01:07:09,526 (low chatter) 1561 01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:14,864 MARC: See, there, the skin and the highlight... 1562 01:07:14,948 --> 01:07:16,407 DIANE: Looked great. 1563 01:07:16,491 --> 01:07:18,535 -Yeah. Well, I mean... -Because you're getting the... 1564 01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,828 -Huh? -That is the beauty light, there. -Yeah. 1565 01:07:20,912 --> 01:07:22,497 Beauty light. 1566 01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,082 -That's what we need all over the world. -(chuckles) 1567 01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:25,792 In the weeks leading up to the show, 1568 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:27,293 it'd just get faster and faster. 1569 01:07:27,335 --> 01:07:29,212 So there's, like, more that has to get done 1570 01:07:29,295 --> 01:07:31,130 and patterns get corrected, 1571 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:33,800 and then they have to go out to Italy to be sewn 1572 01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:35,260 and come back and whatever. 1573 01:07:35,343 --> 01:07:38,263 So it does feel like it all accelerates in the f... 1574 01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:41,307 the f-four weeks before the show 1575 01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:46,187 and more in the two weeks before the show. But, um... 1576 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:48,439 SOFIA: Though, at this point, you have no idea what... 1577 01:07:48,523 --> 01:07:51,317 MARC: I really don't have any idea at all. 1578 01:07:51,401 --> 01:07:53,695 ("My Love is Better" by Annie playing) 1579 01:07:56,739 --> 01:08:00,410 ♪ ♪ 1580 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,835 ♪ Coming with a lie, here we go again... ♪ 1581 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,129 MARC: Very often, especially lately, 1582 01:08:11,212 --> 01:08:14,132 you know, there's just a type of sound that I feel 1583 01:08:14,215 --> 01:08:17,510 is both dramatic and-and, 1584 01:08:17,594 --> 01:08:19,345 like, kind of emotionally stimulating. 1585 01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:21,514 And, you know, the Armory 1586 01:08:21,555 --> 01:08:24,350 is a very big place, and I-I feel like 1587 01:08:24,392 --> 01:08:26,310 the only music that stands up to it are, like, 1588 01:08:26,352 --> 01:08:29,022 -really great composers. You know? -Dramatic. Yeah. 1589 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:31,232 (music fades) 1590 01:08:33,734 --> 01:08:36,863 ("Richter: Spring 1" by Max Richter playing) 1591 01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:48,499 ♪ ♪ 1592 01:08:56,591 --> 01:08:58,635 ♪ ♪ 1593 01:09:01,595 --> 01:09:03,348 SOFIA: Do you remember when you first met Marc? 1594 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:06,975 Yes. I think it was at Honmura An's, is my memory. 1595 01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,810 And I have to ask him if this is true. 1596 01:09:08,895 --> 01:09:10,188 It was with Sadie Coles, 1597 01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:11,856 and it was when he was interested in art. 1598 01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:15,568 We had dinner, and we just, like, hit it off instantly. 1599 01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:19,863 I think we just, like, had a conversation about, um, 1600 01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,408 like Pina Bausch and also, like, 1601 01:09:22,492 --> 01:09:24,786 just, like, weird, unusual things 1602 01:09:24,868 --> 01:09:27,246 that John and I really liked to talk about. 1603 01:09:27,287 --> 01:09:30,291 And he knew about really unusual things 1604 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:31,917 like Rainer Fassbinder. 1605 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:35,587 -Fassbinder. -That's what they had a big connection about. 1606 01:09:35,671 --> 01:09:39,550 And it was just interesting about the eye of a designer 1607 01:09:39,591 --> 01:09:42,428 who was so particular-- the same eye as John, 1608 01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:45,515 but then John does it through paint. 1609 01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:48,518 I remember I was, like, cutting up 1610 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,770 some drawings of-- I was making copies 1611 01:09:50,812 --> 01:09:54,148 of Piranesi-like ruins. 1612 01:09:54,691 --> 01:09:56,943 And then he's like, "Do you want to come over 1613 01:09:56,984 --> 01:09:58,820 and talk to me about doing set?" 1614 01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:02,281 And the show was on February 14, and it was February 1. 1615 01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:04,701 And then I'm making all these Puritan girls, 1616 01:10:04,784 --> 01:10:06,119 like the Puritans 1617 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,663 from, like, America, 16-something. 1618 01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,040 And he said, "Your carriage is called 1619 01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:12,375 "'Puritan's Delight.' 1620 01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:14,335 And these girls have been my inspiration." 1621 01:10:14,419 --> 01:10:15,712 And he says, "Can you bring in 1622 01:10:15,795 --> 01:10:17,672 what you're working on by tomorrow?" 1623 01:10:17,755 --> 01:10:20,174 And so I-I think I stayed up all night doing all this stuff. 1624 01:10:20,258 --> 01:10:22,552 I brought it in as a little paper set, 1625 01:10:22,635 --> 01:10:24,595 and he said, "It's fantastic. 1626 01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:27,014 And just do whatever she says. Make it happen." 1627 01:10:27,098 --> 01:10:28,433 I just think you need air. 1628 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:29,600 -We want to see the neck? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1629 01:10:29,684 --> 01:10:31,185 Probably want this to be a little... 1630 01:10:31,269 --> 01:10:33,020 Yeah, I just, I just want to see some space, 1631 01:10:33,104 --> 01:10:35,481 especially 'cause you're gonna have these collars in here, 1632 01:10:35,523 --> 01:10:37,734 and-and I just think it looks more beautiful. 1633 01:10:37,817 --> 01:10:41,320 -("Ashes to Ashes" by Warpaint) -♪ In such an early song ♪ 1634 01:10:41,362 --> 01:10:43,030 ♪ I've heard a rumor from ground control... ♪ 1635 01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:46,242 MARC: But it is crazy, when you think of the amount of work 1636 01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:48,202 and the amount of people to make something 1637 01:10:48,286 --> 01:10:50,204 -that's seen only once. -Yeah, for seven minutes. 1638 01:10:50,288 --> 01:10:51,706 -Yeah. -Ever. 1639 01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:53,458 ♪ I'm happy... ♪ 1640 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:56,878 MARC: I had seen this picture of, um, some dolls 1641 01:10:56,961 --> 01:10:59,672 that Taboo had made, and it was of the Supremes. 1642 01:10:59,714 --> 01:11:03,009 And they were just so naively done, which was so sweet. 1643 01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:06,220 And then one of my favorite videos of the Supremes 1644 01:11:06,304 --> 01:11:08,347 is this appearance that-- 1645 01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,641 they were on The Tennessee Ernie Ford show, 1646 01:11:10,725 --> 01:11:13,895 and it's Diana singing "Reflections," 1647 01:11:13,978 --> 01:11:16,522 and it's the three of them just in these, like, spangly dresses. 1648 01:11:16,606 --> 01:11:19,609 And I just always have been mesmerized by that. 1649 01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:24,322 ♪ Crying reflects a hurt I can't control ♪ 1650 01:11:24,405 --> 01:11:26,365 ♪ 'Cause although you're gone ♪ 1651 01:11:26,449 --> 01:11:29,368 ♪ I keep holding on ♪ 1652 01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:31,287 ♪ To the happy times ♪ 1653 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:34,207 ♪ Ooh, when you were mine ♪ 1654 01:11:34,832 --> 01:11:39,462 ♪ As I peer through the window of lost time ♪ 1655 01:11:39,545 --> 01:11:41,589 ♪ Looking over my yesterday ♪ 1656 01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:47,136 ♪ And all the love I gave all in vain ♪ 1657 01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:49,180 ♪ All the love ♪ 1658 01:11:49,263 --> 01:11:50,556 ♪ All the love that I've wasted... ♪ 1659 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,683 SOFIA: I love that the mirrors on the bags 1660 01:11:52,767 --> 01:11:54,227 -come from the Supremes. -Yeah, like... 1661 01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:55,728 I would never have put that together. 1662 01:11:55,812 --> 01:11:57,313 I mean, they weren't mirrored. They were sequined. 1663 01:11:57,396 --> 01:11:58,981 -But it's still, like... it... -Yeah. 1664 01:11:59,065 --> 01:12:00,900 MARC: Just if, like, if you had to do it yourself. 1665 01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:02,944 ("Tigerlily" by La Roux playing) 1666 01:12:07,782 --> 01:12:09,617 All these girls are girls who like boys, 1667 01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:11,744 and I think, like, you know, I'm not really into, 1668 01:12:11,828 --> 01:12:14,789 like, accessories at the moment, like, jewelry. 1669 01:12:14,872 --> 01:12:17,291 So I said, "Oh, we'll just make the boys the accessories." 1670 01:12:17,375 --> 01:12:19,669 ("Tigerlily" continues playing) 1671 01:12:23,089 --> 01:12:26,509 Happy birthday, Katie! I love you! 1672 01:12:26,592 --> 01:12:29,595 ♪ Tonight out on the streets I'm gonna follow you ♪ 1673 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:33,140 ♪ And tell you all about a scene that you would kill for ♪ 1674 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:36,602 ♪ You're gonna love what's running right in front of you ♪ 1675 01:12:36,686 --> 01:12:39,772 ♪ But you won't see it by the light of the sun. ♪ 1676 01:12:39,856 --> 01:12:41,440 (song ends) 1677 01:12:46,779 --> 01:12:49,657 ♪ ♪ 1678 01:12:57,498 --> 01:12:59,667 (crowd chatter) 1679 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,341 It's showtime. 1680 01:13:08,175 --> 01:13:11,470 We are very not linear, in terms of the way we work. 1681 01:13:11,512 --> 01:13:14,849 And it's kind of like we're always looking 1682 01:13:14,932 --> 01:13:16,559 for something that we're interested in 1683 01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:18,144 or excited by, right? 1684 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:20,855 And then you can't kind of find inspiration that way. 1685 01:13:20,938 --> 01:13:22,857 You kind of have to be doing something 1686 01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:25,484 and you have, like, some kind of connection to it. 1687 01:13:25,568 --> 01:13:27,695 And I don't remember at what point in the process, 1688 01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:30,281 but we had been talking about all these different things-- 1689 01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:31,532 about scale, about size-- 1690 01:13:31,616 --> 01:13:34,327 and then something came up somewhere, 1691 01:13:34,368 --> 01:13:35,453 and I saw that picture 1692 01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,955 of the table at the Broad 1693 01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,708 that I had seen and experienced many times. 1694 01:13:40,791 --> 01:13:43,044 And, um, so then I looked up Robert Therrien, 1695 01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:45,296 and I was just like, "Oh, well, this folding table and chairs 1696 01:13:45,379 --> 01:13:47,757 just sums it up for me." 1697 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,135 And I kind of felt very much this kindred spirit, 1698 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:53,429 'cause everyday things, whatever "everyday" 1699 01:13:53,512 --> 01:13:56,557 means to you, is like the wonder of the inspiration 1700 01:13:56,641 --> 01:13:58,392 you find in them, 1701 01:13:58,476 --> 01:14:01,604 the way he thinks, how he gets to where he's going. 1702 01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:05,524 I just feel like that feels really like what we're doing. 1703 01:14:05,566 --> 01:14:07,568 (indistinct chatter) 1704 01:14:15,576 --> 01:14:17,870 -What you doing? Came undone? -Yeah. 1705 01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:20,706 So should we get Joseph or some-somebody? 1706 01:14:20,748 --> 01:14:22,708 (Wali speaking indistinctly) 1707 01:14:22,792 --> 01:14:25,211 Yeah. Okay, so we don't want that to happen 1708 01:14:25,252 --> 01:14:26,629 when you've got the jacket on. 1709 01:14:26,712 --> 01:14:31,342 So can we get-- Somebody find me Joseph or-- Joseph? 1710 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:32,927 Joseph, Wali's top keeps opening 1711 01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:34,470 -when she puts the jacket on. -Oh, really? All right. 1712 01:14:34,553 --> 01:14:36,013 -Yeah, the snaps. -Oh, okay. 1713 01:14:36,097 --> 01:14:37,390 So I think if you pin it or whatever you want to do. 1714 01:14:37,431 --> 01:14:39,266 -Yeah, yeah. -But when she... 1715 01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:40,434 As soon as she does this. 1716 01:14:40,518 --> 01:14:41,978 (Joseph speaks indistinctly) 1717 01:14:42,061 --> 01:14:43,646 -We've only got ten minutes. -Okay, then I'll... 1718 01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:46,357 -But your nail polish still looks good. -Yeah. 1719 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:47,817 -Right? -Yeah. 1720 01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:49,610 -I was just talking... -Yeah, that's it. 1721 01:14:49,694 --> 01:14:51,529 -Like that. -MARC: Got it. 1722 01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,114 SOFIA: But do you always get nervous 1723 01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,241 right before, even though you've done this a million times? 1724 01:14:55,282 --> 01:14:58,077 Yeah. I do, and I don't... 1725 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,162 I don't know. It's like... 1726 01:15:00,246 --> 01:15:01,580 Yeah, I get really nervous. 1727 01:15:01,622 --> 01:15:05,251 It's, like, such a physical thing. 1728 01:15:05,334 --> 01:15:07,211 -SOFIA: I can feel it for you. -I think it's just very... 1729 01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:08,462 I don't know. Maybe... 1730 01:15:08,546 --> 01:15:11,090 Is it different for you? Like, I feel... 1731 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:12,717 I feel very fright... 1732 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,429 Like, I-I mean, obviously, I work to show the work. 1733 01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:18,264 -Yeah. -But then showing the work 1734 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:19,598 is a very frightening thing. 1735 01:15:19,682 --> 01:15:21,642 How many minutes left? 1736 01:15:26,772 --> 01:15:30,651 We have to start in four minutes, people! 1737 01:15:30,735 --> 01:15:33,154 Literally four minutes! 1738 01:15:33,237 --> 01:15:34,697 I'm ready. Like... 1739 01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:36,449 but the girls aren't quite ready. 1740 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,325 So when the girls are ready, 1741 01:15:38,409 --> 01:15:40,453 then I'm like, "Oh, my God, do we really have to wait 1742 01:15:40,494 --> 01:15:41,954 for the audience? Do we really?" 1743 01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:43,372 -Yeah. Yeah. -You know, I want to get them dressed. 1744 01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:44,957 I want to get going. 1745 01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:47,126 And I've been, like, super impatient on a couple of shows 1746 01:15:47,168 --> 01:15:49,795 where, you know, I was insisting with KCD backstage, 1747 01:15:49,879 --> 01:15:51,589 like, "I don't care if it's five-of." 1748 01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:53,591 -Oh. -And they're like, "No, you've got to, like, 1749 01:15:53,674 --> 01:15:55,968 at least wait till 6:00." You know. 1750 01:15:56,052 --> 01:15:58,304 (crowd chatter) 1751 01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:11,901 You have two minutes. 1752 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:15,863 Two minutes. 1753 01:16:17,656 --> 01:16:19,950 -It's one minute, Duffy. You gonna be okay? -Yeah. 1754 01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:22,870 Okay. It's 6:00. We're starting the show. 1755 01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,872 -It's 6:00. We're starting the show. -Making the announcement. 1756 01:16:24,955 --> 01:16:27,958 -Yeah, we're making the announcement now. -Okay. 1757 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,754 (soft chatter) 1758 01:16:35,716 --> 01:16:37,051 We are now late! 1759 01:16:37,134 --> 01:16:39,095 -Can we please start the show? -Yes. 1760 01:16:39,178 --> 01:16:40,846 -Yes. Now. -Starting the show fully. 1761 01:16:40,888 --> 01:16:42,890 -Now. Now. -Starting the show. Everyone... 1762 01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:44,809 MARC: We're starting the show now. 1763 01:16:44,892 --> 01:16:47,061 ("Metamorphosis One" by Philip Glass playing) 1764 01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:58,072 ♪ ♪ 1765 01:17:14,547 --> 01:17:16,757 ♪ ♪ 1766 01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:26,767 ♪ ♪ 1767 01:17:44,285 --> 01:17:46,954 ♪ ♪ 1768 01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:58,924 ♪ ♪ 1769 01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:24,366 ♪ ♪ 1770 01:18:45,304 --> 01:18:47,348 ♪ ♪ 1771 01:18:59,026 --> 01:19:00,778 ♪ ♪ 1772 01:19:25,302 --> 01:19:28,264 ♪ ♪ 1773 01:19:50,494 --> 01:19:53,163 Standing by. Um... 1774 01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:56,542 In three, two, one. 1775 01:20:00,504 --> 01:20:02,589 (cheering, applause) 1776 01:20:14,393 --> 01:20:16,228 (cheering, applause fades) 1777 01:20:16,312 --> 01:20:18,063 (birds chirping) 1778 01:20:18,147 --> 01:20:19,898 (giggles) 1779 01:20:22,776 --> 01:20:24,445 (chuckles) 1780 01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:40,794 SOFIA: How's the morning after the show? 1781 01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:44,631 Um... um, it's okay. 1782 01:20:44,715 --> 01:20:47,343 It's okay. I'm j-- I'm... 1783 01:20:47,426 --> 01:20:49,261 I'm very tired. 1784 01:20:49,345 --> 01:20:51,430 Do you feel like there's some catharsis 1785 01:20:51,472 --> 01:20:55,934 or that you work out things from... childhood wounds 1786 01:20:56,018 --> 01:20:59,229 in being able to make these imaginary worlds or...? 1787 01:20:59,313 --> 01:21:01,607 MARC: Yeah, so when I was much younger 1788 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:05,736 and... like, my family fell apart-- 1789 01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:07,696 you know, my dad died and all this stuff-- 1790 01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:09,740 I think I... 1791 01:21:09,823 --> 01:21:11,575 My solution, you know, 1792 01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:16,121 to all this chaos and mental illness and all this stuff 1793 01:21:16,163 --> 01:21:18,499 was, like, go to your room and make your room 1794 01:21:18,582 --> 01:21:21,251 into this safe place and-- where you can express yourself 1795 01:21:21,335 --> 01:21:24,046 and you can feel comfortable and you can feel happy, you know. 1796 01:21:24,129 --> 01:21:28,300 And I do think-- I do think that that was like... 1797 01:21:28,384 --> 01:21:31,470 It-it may not be... 1798 01:21:31,512 --> 01:21:34,807 Like, that, that felt like the beginning 1799 01:21:34,848 --> 01:21:39,103 of my understanding of how... 1800 01:21:39,186 --> 01:21:42,231 I have, like... my hiding place, 1801 01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:45,317 but I also have my world, and then I also have 1802 01:21:45,401 --> 01:21:47,152 that place where I can make something. 1803 01:21:47,236 --> 01:21:49,530 And maybe what came after was like, okay, I can make something 1804 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:50,989 and I want to share it. 1805 01:21:51,073 --> 01:21:53,075 SOFIA: I remember you used to really crash. 1806 01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:54,660 -Yeah. -'Cause you used to be really down, 1807 01:21:54,701 --> 01:21:55,828 I feel like, after a show. 1808 01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:57,162 Well, the down thing will happen. 1809 01:21:57,204 --> 01:21:58,747 Like, um, my friend Lana, 1810 01:21:58,831 --> 01:22:01,166 she-she calls it "post-art-done." 1811 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:03,043 -Oh, yeah. -As opposed to "postpartum." 1812 01:22:03,127 --> 01:22:05,003 I always say it's postpartum, but that is "post-art-done." 1813 01:22:05,045 --> 01:22:06,463 -Yeah. -So she changed it. 1814 01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:08,257 'Cause she's like, after she makes a movie, 1815 01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,468 she's like, "There's this... such excitement," 1816 01:22:11,552 --> 01:22:13,971 but then, like-- and you can't really explain it-- 1817 01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:16,932 but I guess it's like giving birth, in a sense. 1818 01:22:17,015 --> 01:22:18,684 There's, like, this comedown. 1819 01:22:18,767 --> 01:22:22,187 And no matter how you feel about the work you've done, 1820 01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:24,731 you just can't avoid it, it's gonna happen. 1821 01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:26,024 MARC: Girls, it looks amazing. 1822 01:22:26,108 --> 01:22:28,527 You look gorgeous. It's really great. 1823 01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:31,864 I started obsessing over, like, a certain mistake yesterday 1824 01:22:31,947 --> 01:22:34,074 or-or something I didn't like yesterday, 1825 01:22:34,158 --> 01:22:36,201 and then I was like, "Just let it go, let it go." 1826 01:22:36,285 --> 01:22:38,537 But they'll catch up to me, you know, 1827 01:22:38,579 --> 01:22:39,913 as I see more photos 1828 01:22:39,997 --> 01:22:44,001 or as I read reviews or... 1829 01:22:44,084 --> 01:22:45,878 I have a little distance, you know? 1830 01:22:45,919 --> 01:22:48,046 Then I'll start, like, getting... 1831 01:22:48,088 --> 01:22:50,549 I guess, down and a bit, like, agitated. 1832 01:22:50,632 --> 01:22:53,010 My shrink always says, like, "Obsessing over something 1833 01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,387 "that happened a week ago isn't gonna change 1834 01:22:55,471 --> 01:22:57,431 what happened a week ago." You know? 1835 01:22:57,514 --> 01:23:01,351 But I somehow believe that if I obsess over it long enough, 1836 01:23:01,435 --> 01:23:03,896 like, it will fix itself, you know. 1837 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:05,647 And of course I don't really believe it. 1838 01:23:05,731 --> 01:23:09,443 But then I think, "History tells me I said that every time." 1839 01:23:09,526 --> 01:23:13,405 That's the thing about, like, joy in work, 1840 01:23:13,489 --> 01:23:17,117 is that, if you can tap into those few moments 1841 01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:19,995 or those few days or the, you know, whatever it is, 1842 01:23:20,078 --> 01:23:23,832 then-then you kind of... want to do it again. 1843 01:23:23,916 --> 01:23:25,292 You know? 1844 01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:36,803 ♪ Ten decisions shape your life ♪ 1845 01:23:36,887 --> 01:23:41,099 ♪ You'll be aware of five about ♪ 1846 01:23:41,141 --> 01:23:44,353 ♪ Seven ways to go through school ♪ 1847 01:23:44,436 --> 01:23:48,357 ♪ Either you're noticed or left out ♪ 1848 01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:52,945 ♪ Seven ways to get ahead ♪ 1849 01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:57,449 ♪ Seven reasons to drop out ♪ 1850 01:23:59,493 --> 01:24:04,164 ♪ When I said, "I can see me in your eyes" ♪ 1851 01:24:04,248 --> 01:24:08,794 ♪ You said, "I can see you in my bed" ♪ 1852 01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:12,839 ♪ That's not just friendship, that's romance, too ♪ 1853 01:24:12,923 --> 01:24:17,636 ♪ You like music we can dance to ♪ 1854 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:21,473 ♪ Sit me down ♪ 1855 01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:25,185 ♪ Shut me up ♪ 1856 01:24:25,269 --> 01:24:30,065 ♪ I'll calm down ♪ 1857 01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:34,194 ♪ And I'll get along with you. ♪ 1858 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:36,697 (song ends) 1859 01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,324 -("Line Up" by Elastica playing) -(grunting in song) 1860 01:24:58,302 --> 01:25:01,555 ♪ Drivel Head wears her glad rags ♪ 1861 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:05,642 ♪ She's got her keys, money and fags ♪ 1862 01:25:06,602 --> 01:25:10,022 ♪ I know that her mind is made up ♪ 1863 01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:12,566 ♪ To get rocked ♪ 1864 01:25:15,277 --> 01:25:19,114 ♪ Drivel Head needs a new man ♪ 1865 01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:23,327 ♪ As only a drivel head can ♪ 1866 01:25:24,202 --> 01:25:27,539 ♪ He's a hormonal nightmare ♪ 1867 01:25:27,623 --> 01:25:30,417 ♪ So beware ♪ 1868 01:25:31,084 --> 01:25:34,338 ♪ Another victim of line up in line ♪ 1869 01:25:34,421 --> 01:25:37,799 ♪ Line up in line is all I remember ♪ 1870 01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:40,344 (grunting) 1871 01:25:41,553 --> 01:25:44,431 ♪ Oh, how their favors change ♪ 1872 01:25:44,514 --> 01:25:47,434 ♪ You could have been kinder ♪ 1873 01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:51,563 ♪ Yes, yes, line up in line ♪ 1874 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:55,817 ♪ Line up in line is all I remember ♪ 1875 01:25:58,612 --> 01:26:01,573 ♪ Oh, how their favors change ♪ 1876 01:26:01,615 --> 01:26:05,786 ♪ You could have been mine, uh ♪ 1877 01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:13,877 (grunting) 1878 01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:30,143 ♪ Drivel Head knows all the stars ♪ 1879 01:26:30,227 --> 01:26:34,398 ♪ Loves to suck their shining guitars ♪ 1880 01:26:34,481 --> 01:26:37,943 ♪ They've all been right up her stairs ♪ 1881 01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:40,445 ♪ Do you care? ♪ 1882 01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:41,738 ♪ No. ♪ 1883 01:26:41,822 --> 01:26:42,989 (song ends) 1884 01:26:43,073 --> 01:26:44,866 ♪ ♪ 1885 01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:46,618 (music fades)