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(laughs) 982 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:11,738 And then how did you push it through? 983 00:42:11,821 --> 00:42:13,406 Well, then they said, like, 984 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:15,283 "Well, you can do it, but we're not going to produce it." 985 00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:16,909 And then it kind of blew up, 986 00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:19,162 and then, like, everybody wanted it, 987 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,789 and, like, people were calling and saying, "When can I get it?" 988 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:24,292 And the stores were take... There were, like, waiting lists 989 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:27,128 for these bags that they weren't planning on producing. 990 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:29,797 And, um, and then all the counterfeiters came out 991 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:32,300 with them, and so, like, they were appearing everywhere 992 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:33,718 whether they wanted to or not. 993 00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,262 ("Love to Love You Baby" by Tom Tom Club playing) 994 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:37,680 ♪ I... ♪ 995 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:40,141 GRACE CODDINGTON: I-I think along the same way 996 00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:41,601 as-as he does. 997 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,895 I mean, he always has a romance to his clothes 998 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:45,855 and things that I've always... 999 00:42:45,938 --> 00:42:48,191 And I'm kind of romantic, too, so... 1000 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:51,444 So I-I go towards that, um... 1001 00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,196 So I think, uh, 1002 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:54,739 I want to say it was love at first sight, 1003 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,199 -but... -(Marc laughs) 1004 00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:59,994 ♪ I love to love you, baby... ♪ 1005 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,663 GRACE: And I've seen just about every Marc show 1006 00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:04,999 since he began, I guess. 1007 00:43:05,041 --> 00:43:08,878 I'm a huge fan, and I-I'm a huge fan for a very good reason 1008 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:12,965 in that I think, you know, he's quite remarkable. 1009 00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:15,176 I-I don't know, somehow he always hits it 1010 00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:17,053 on the head for me. 1011 00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:19,680 SOFIA: I like your ladylike version, too. 1012 00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,432 MARC: There's a lot of ladylike stuff. 1013 00:43:21,516 --> 00:43:23,101 Having dressed Winona for her trial. 1014 00:43:23,184 --> 00:43:25,561 (chuckles): Having dressed Lil' Kim for her trial. 1015 00:43:25,645 --> 00:43:27,688 You know, and they... and then it's like, 1016 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,148 as soon as they need to put on this kind of 1017 00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:30,983 image of propriety-- 1018 00:43:31,067 --> 00:43:34,070 -the Winona ones are close to classics. -(Sofia laughs) 1019 00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:35,905 I think I'm gonna always look at it as a costume 1020 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,032 -because it-it just feels like it belongs... -Yeah. 1021 00:43:38,074 --> 00:43:39,784 ...to somebody who's got maturity 1022 00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:41,536 -that I don't, or that... -That's so true. 1023 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:43,538 ...you know, that belongs to another time. 1024 00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:44,956 -"Go to Marc." (chuckles) -Yeah. 1025 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:46,833 "He'll dress you for your trial." 1026 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,752 MAN: Courtney Love, is it true that, in 1993, 1027 00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:52,672 did you offer Eldon Hoke $50,000 1028 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:54,549 to murder your husband Kurt Cobain? 1029 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:56,384 Oh, God, Richard Lee. 1030 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:58,886 You suck so bad. 1031 00:43:58,928 --> 00:44:01,389 ("Sugar Water" by Cibo Matto playing) 1032 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:03,766 ♪ The velocity of time ♪ 1033 00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:09,188 ♪ Turns her voice into ♪ 1034 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,277 ♪ Sugar water ♪ 1035 00:44:16,279 --> 00:44:17,488 ♪ ♪ 1036 00:44:17,572 --> 00:44:20,241 (vocalizing) 1037 00:44:23,578 --> 00:44:26,998 (speaking French) 1038 00:44:46,058 --> 00:44:48,269 -(laughing): Wow. -(others exclaiming) 1039 00:44:48,311 --> 00:44:50,313 Look at that. 1040 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,608 That is so insane. 1041 00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:55,193 That is sick in the head. 1042 00:44:55,276 --> 00:44:56,736 (vocalizing in song) 1043 00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,447 MARC: This is so nuts. 1044 00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:08,414 ♪ The buildings are changing into coconut trees ♪ 1045 00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:10,958 ♪ Little by little. ♪ 1046 00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:16,214 (song fades) 1047 00:45:17,048 --> 00:45:20,885 MARC: In talking about what we were making with clothes, 1048 00:45:20,968 --> 00:45:22,386 let's see it blown up, you know, 1049 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:24,472 Joseph was like, "Let's just see it blown up really big 1050 00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:26,015 "and see how we feel about it. 1051 00:45:26,098 --> 00:45:28,142 Or let's see it really flat, you know." 1052 00:45:28,184 --> 00:45:31,562 And either one of those things would bring the approach 1053 00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,231 to making the bags in line 1054 00:45:33,314 --> 00:45:36,150 with the approach to making the clothes. 1055 00:45:37,235 --> 00:45:39,153 There's a leather mock-up that... 1056 00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,906 I mean, they did a leather prototype from this mock-up. 1057 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:45,076 -Yeah. -It was, uh... And then... 1058 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,869 -WOMAN: It went to the factory. -SOFIA: Oh. 1059 00:45:46,953 --> 00:45:49,497 WOMAN: Yeah. To get... 1060 00:45:49,538 --> 00:45:51,082 -JOSEPH: Made? -Made. -Yeah. 1061 00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:53,251 SOFIA: And when does that stuff all show up? 1062 00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:55,670 When's that show up? Uh... 1063 00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:57,505 -Two days before the show. -WOMAN: Yeah. 1064 00:45:57,588 --> 00:45:58,839 SOFIA: Is it always nerve-racking? 1065 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,132 -WOMAN: Yes. -(laughter) 1066 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:01,175 Always. 1067 00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:03,552 ("Reminiscences" by Nigel Hess playing) 1068 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:23,447 ♪ ♪ 1069 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:39,213 (music ends) 1070 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:42,758 It needs to be like dead Barbie. 1071 00:46:42,842 --> 00:46:44,802 (chuckles) 1072 00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:46,554 Not pink enough. 1073 00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:50,516 JIN: Okay, hers is okay. 1074 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:51,809 MARC: Um, what length are you... 1075 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,227 Can you cut the girls nails, or no? 1076 00:46:53,311 --> 00:46:55,271 JIN: Just reg... So their-their length. 1077 00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,898 -Short. Short, yeah. -MAN: Yeah, short. 1078 00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,984 MARC: Sh-Short, but... 1079 00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:03,195 Short like boyish short or girlish short? 1080 00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:05,239 -Like...? -JIN: Round short. 1081 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:06,741 -MARC: Round short like that. Okay. -JIN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1082 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:09,160 -Not, not too square. -MARC: No. 1083 00:47:09,243 --> 00:47:11,454 -No, it's too bright. -JIN: No? 1084 00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:19,754 It should be a, it should be that but pink. 1085 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:21,297 Oh, hello, Mr. Nimmo. 1086 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,883 NIMMO: Um, what do you actually sell here? 1087 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:25,593 VIVIANNE: Um, clothes. 1088 00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:28,429 These, uh, cardigans you can see through, sort of woollies. 1089 00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,432 VIVIENNE: Mm. These restrict your arm movement somewhat. 1090 00:47:31,515 --> 00:47:33,768 So you're really caught right down there in bondage. 1091 00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,603 Yes, but it's... But to move in that 1092 00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:37,688 has a lot of style and flair, because as you move, 1093 00:47:37,772 --> 00:47:39,607 you can sort of see through some of the... 1094 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:40,941 -No, when you wear this... -Yes. 1095 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,860 ...you can see sort of, you know, 1096 00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:44,487 a body here with bits of lacy stuff in between... 1097 00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:46,238 MARC: So I just became 1098 00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:49,367 completely, like, obsessed with Vivienne Westwood. 1099 00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:54,121 I'd known of her and Malcolm as being the designers of 1100 00:47:54,163 --> 00:47:56,624 Sex and Seditionaries and, you know, kind of defining 1101 00:47:56,665 --> 00:47:59,043 what punk looked like in London. 1102 00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:01,921 I was just fascinated by her and by what she did. 1103 00:48:01,962 --> 00:48:06,008 Just thought it was, like, style with substance. 1104 00:48:06,092 --> 00:48:10,137 It felt like there was a thought process behind the style, 1105 00:48:10,221 --> 00:48:13,057 as opposed to just arbitrarily making some, 1106 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,518 you know, weird clothing. 1107 00:48:18,604 --> 00:48:20,398 ♪ ♪ 1108 00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:35,121 ♪ ♪ 1109 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:45,381 MARC: And then I got to meet her and 1110 00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,300 we bonded over, actually, Yves Saint Laurent. 1111 00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:51,011 It was the weirdest thing. 1112 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:54,014 So, she was having a show at Bergdorf Goodman... 1113 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:55,599 and they invited me, 1114 00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,144 she and Bergdorf invited me to join this dinner 1115 00:48:58,227 --> 00:48:59,812 after her show at Bergdorf. 1116 00:48:59,854 --> 00:49:02,189 And I was seated next to Vivienne at the table. 1117 00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:05,359 And Vivienne, you know, had a reputation for not... 1118 00:49:05,443 --> 00:49:07,945 If she didn't like you, she made n-- 1119 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,531 Like, she had no problem saying, like, "I'm not int--" 1120 00:49:10,573 --> 00:49:13,826 Like, she didn't make polite conversation, 1121 00:49:13,868 --> 00:49:16,454 and she was not, like, she didn't suffer fools. 1122 00:49:16,537 --> 00:49:18,330 SOFIA: Were you nervous to sit next to her? 1123 00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:20,040 A little bit, a little bit. Yeah. 1124 00:49:20,124 --> 00:49:23,002 I was, I was intimidated and a little nervous. 1125 00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:25,880 But we both drank a lot of red wine at this dinner, 1126 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,465 and everybody-- eventually, 1127 00:49:27,548 --> 00:49:29,216 we were the last two people at the table. 1128 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,969 And then we got into this conversation about 1129 00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:33,971 a mutual love of Yves Saint Laurent. 1130 00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:36,390 I don't know how this happened, but... 1131 00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:40,227 And she, I remember she said, like, "Don't tell anybody." 1132 00:49:40,269 --> 00:49:41,770 Like, like, it was a secret. 1133 00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:43,397 Like, she knew about Saint Laurent 1134 00:49:43,439 --> 00:49:45,065 and I knew about Saint Laurent, but don't let 1135 00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:46,692 the others know about him, you know, like... 1136 00:49:46,734 --> 00:49:49,361 It was a very... it was a very sweet and strange thing. 1137 00:49:49,445 --> 00:49:53,282 Like, they've not discovered the genius of this man, but we know. 1138 00:49:55,659 --> 00:49:57,703 (low conversations) 1139 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:08,631 MARC: So, this elastic 1140 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:10,132 is only this high. 1141 00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:12,384 It's like three... quarter of an inch, or something. 1142 00:50:12,468 --> 00:50:17,681 I just... are we gonna want this to feel more flat? 1143 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,266 We're getting a, um, the elastic 1144 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:20,851 -in the right size. -Oh, a deeper elastic? 1145 00:50:20,935 --> 00:50:22,353 -Okay. -Before the show's happening. 1146 00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:24,980 But, but the point, the rib would be... 1147 00:50:25,064 --> 00:50:27,858 MARC: I remember one of the discussions was, like, 1148 00:50:27,942 --> 00:50:30,819 this fabric that we've used before that was very rounded, 1149 00:50:30,903 --> 00:50:33,572 it was, like, a '60s fabric that's bonded to itself 1150 00:50:33,656 --> 00:50:37,243 and there's one Italian mill that made it back in the '60s. 1151 00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:39,620 And I used it for us and at Vuitton, 1152 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:40,955 but it's very round. 1153 00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:43,290 It doesn't collapse. 1154 00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,000 So when Joseph said, like, 1155 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:46,752 "Maybe me a pair of shorts," it was, like, 1156 00:50:46,794 --> 00:50:49,672 it wasn't so much that I was crazy about the idea of shorts. 1157 00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:52,591 I just like the idea of thinking about something 1158 00:50:52,675 --> 00:50:56,679 I wouldn't typically use that fabric for. 1159 00:50:58,222 --> 00:51:01,350 We just laid these fabrics out to decid-- pick colors 1160 00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,894 -for the sweaters to see what... -SOFIA: Oh. 1161 00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:06,689 sweater top would go with what leather short. 1162 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:08,232 So, you can see over... 1163 00:51:08,315 --> 00:51:10,359 SOFIA: Are the big... are the big shorts leather? 1164 00:51:10,442 --> 00:51:12,695 They are, yeah. They're a bonded leather. 1165 00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:16,907 And so we just put a little swatch next to all the colors 1166 00:51:16,991 --> 00:51:21,453 so we can kind of predict what, um... the look will be. 1167 00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:36,010 MARC: We wanted to make them, like, very naively. 1168 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:37,845 Like, so, we thought, like, 1169 00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,931 "Oh, it should look like you cut it out of fabric 1170 00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:42,600 and you sewed it together yourself." 1171 00:51:42,683 --> 00:51:46,854 And so it had no sophistication whatsoever. 1172 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:50,357 I mean, not true sophistication. 1173 00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:55,237 We made this pair of shorts with that kind of body, 1174 00:51:55,321 --> 00:51:56,864 and we were like, "That looks really good. 1175 00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,324 We really like it." 1176 00:51:58,365 --> 00:52:00,159 Then we liked the idea of it with sexy shoes 1177 00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:02,286 from the Trompe L'Oeil collection, 1178 00:52:02,369 --> 00:52:04,955 and that was kind of how it started 1179 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,000 when we... when we both, 1180 00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:10,210 Jospeh and I, had this immediate reaction 1181 00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:12,046 to, like, Delilah in this red sweater 1182 00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:14,048 with these, like, weird shorts 1183 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:15,716 and then a pair of high heel shoes. 1184 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:19,011 And we're like, "Yeah, that looks like what we want to do." 1185 00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:21,430 (crowd chatter) 1186 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:26,101 You know, we thought we would see one body... 1187 00:52:26,185 --> 00:52:27,686 -ANNA: Right, right. -...neoprene 1188 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:30,230 and one body double knit, and if we liked the double knit, 1189 00:52:30,272 --> 00:52:31,857 -that's what we would do the group. -Right. 1190 00:52:31,899 --> 00:52:34,985 -You see? So we were doing it originally... -Right, right. 1191 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:37,655 ...to see which one we preferred. 1192 00:52:37,738 --> 00:52:40,783 It's tricky, 'cause I need to order the panels. 1193 00:52:40,866 --> 00:52:42,534 -Well... -For... So... 1194 00:52:42,618 --> 00:52:44,953 But if it's double knit, you wouldn't be ordering 1195 00:52:45,037 --> 00:52:46,413 -a panel, would you? -Exactly. 1196 00:52:46,497 --> 00:52:47,748 Right now, I'm planning for it to be double knit. 1197 00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:49,291 But if you want to... 1198 00:52:49,375 --> 00:52:52,544 But only one body you're planning to be double knit. 1199 00:52:52,628 --> 00:52:54,088 -WOMAN: Correct. -ANNA: This style... 1200 00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:55,756 Right, the zip-up hoodie is gonna be bonded. 1201 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,925 Right. And what we were thinking was we would choose... 1202 00:52:57,966 --> 00:52:59,385 There would be one thing in the end. 1203 00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:00,636 -...and then you would do... -Do one thing. 1204 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,513 -Got it. -So that, for us, is a test. 1205 00:53:02,596 --> 00:53:03,806 -I see. -Yeah. 1206 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:06,433 I remember, um, I had a Groucho Marx T-shirt 1207 00:53:06,475 --> 00:53:09,103 that I was particularly proud of that I wore with suspenders, 1208 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,688 and it was pre-Mork & Mindy, 1209 00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:13,357 (laughing): but it was very that kind of look. 1210 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,276 But, um, yeah, I had a, like, this-- 1211 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,612 I don't know what in the world or where it came from, 1212 00:53:18,654 --> 00:53:20,656 but I was, like, really enamored with this, like, 1213 00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:22,324 Groucho Marx T-shirt. 1214 00:53:22,408 --> 00:53:25,452 But I was pretty meticulous when it came to clothes. 1215 00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:27,371 Like, I folded everything perfectly. 1216 00:53:27,454 --> 00:53:29,957 I mean, I folded T-shirts perfectly 1217 00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:31,542 and, like, all that stuff, 1218 00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:33,127 so I always made sure it was on a good hanger 1219 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,837 so the shoulders didn't stretch... 1220 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,841 Like, I... I had such a relationship with clothing. 1221 00:53:39,425 --> 00:53:43,846 My first outfit that I ever made was a blue, 1222 00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:47,725 like, a baby blue gas station attendant jumpsuit. 1223 00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:49,643 And that was one of the things that I thought, 1224 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,980 like, I saw... I saw, I mean, I must've seen, 1225 00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,149 'cause I don't know how I would've gotten in my head, 1226 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:56,608 like, "That's a cool thing to wear," 1227 00:53:56,692 --> 00:54:00,279 but there must've been some grown-up kid 1228 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,990 wearing, like... and I feel like it had, like, 1229 00:54:03,031 --> 00:54:04,408 patches all over it. Like, you know, 1230 00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:06,952 like a, like a gas station attendant. 1231 00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:09,830 Anyway, I had it in my head that that was, like, 1232 00:54:09,872 --> 00:54:12,249 the cool thing and that the only way I was gonna get one 1233 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,792 is if I learned how to make it. 1234 00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:16,837 So I had, like, a home ec class where we learned to sew, 1235 00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:19,381 and that was the first thing I-I sewed. 1236 00:54:19,465 --> 00:54:21,592 -JOSEPH: How's it going, over here? It's okay? -Good. 1237 00:54:21,675 --> 00:54:23,469 -Yeah, yeah. -Cloth big enough, Kenny? 1238 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:25,304 -I don't know. (laughing) -Is it big enough? 1239 00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,014 Are you gonna make it work out, Kenny? 1240 00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:29,349 Yeah, of course you will. 1241 00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:31,268 ANNA: Yeah, I can find some swatches. 1242 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:32,478 MARC: Yeah, I just want to see, 1243 00:54:32,561 --> 00:54:34,521 -like, 14 or 18. -Right, right, right. 1244 00:54:34,563 --> 00:54:38,025 If it's feasible with the timing, I'm concerned. 1245 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,236 'Cause it takes multiple steps, 1246 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,405 you know, like, the-the shaping and the... 1247 00:54:43,489 --> 00:54:45,324 So we can try, but... 1248 00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:47,242 They can put a man on the moon. 1249 00:54:47,326 --> 00:54:49,369 LA LA ANTHONY: So, Paris, let me start with you. 1250 00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:51,413 I just feel so excited to be here 1251 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,874 with the legend Marc Jacobs. 1252 00:54:53,916 --> 00:54:55,751 -I just did his campaign, and it was so incredible. -Wow. 1253 00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:58,420 And I'm just loving the dress that he made for me tonight. 1254 00:54:58,504 --> 00:55:00,214 The dress is absolutely stunning. 1255 00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:01,590 Marc, tell us about this dress. 1256 00:55:01,673 --> 00:55:03,091 Well, this dress, I'd say... 1257 00:55:03,175 --> 00:55:04,551 You know, like, I believe in collaborat-- 1258 00:55:04,593 --> 00:55:06,053 -Do you want me to hold this? -Yeah, yeah. 1259 00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:09,223 Yeah, okay. So, you know, um, collaboration of a sort. 1260 00:55:09,264 --> 00:55:10,766 So it was like a thing... 1261 00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,643 First of all, to dress Paris Hilton 1262 00:55:12,726 --> 00:55:14,353 is like how the fuck do you-- Oh, sorry-- 1263 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:15,979 how do you do that, right? 1264 00:55:16,063 --> 00:55:18,398 So I thought, like, "Well, maybe it would be interesting 1265 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,150 "and exciting to see her in a black gown, you know? 1266 00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:22,027 'Cause it's not typical for Paris." 1267 00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:23,612 So we approached her with the idea, 1268 00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:25,072 and then we added the idea of leather, 1269 00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:26,740 and she was all game and everything. 1270 00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:29,701 And then she had some comments, like, "I need a little sparkle," 1271 00:55:29,785 --> 00:55:31,411 -and, "Could you make this fabric here?" -Right. 1272 00:55:31,495 --> 00:55:33,288 And we worked together and made it happen, 1273 00:55:33,372 --> 00:55:34,540 and she looks fantastic. 1274 00:55:34,623 --> 00:55:36,708 SOFIA: Do you ever feel like, um, 1275 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,086 you're the successful designer that as a ki-- 1276 00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:42,589 your kid self would be... proud of? 1277 00:55:42,673 --> 00:55:44,299 Or, like, that... do you ever feel like, "Oh, wow, 1278 00:55:44,383 --> 00:55:45,843 I'm living the life that..." 1279 00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:48,637 the fantasy life of... of your kid self? 1280 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,347 MARC: I think, as a young person, 1281 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:52,516 I believed... 1282 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,309 that this could happen, 1283 00:55:54,393 --> 00:55:56,019 although I'm not really sure I did. 1284 00:55:56,103 --> 00:55:57,771 You know, like, now I think, 1285 00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:00,399 like, "Oh, yeah, I was like, I'm totally gonna make it." 1286 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:02,943 I know sometimes, um, before a show had happened, 1287 00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:05,779 I-I'd just kind of see, like, as the lineup was formed 1288 00:56:05,863 --> 00:56:07,990 and the show was getting ready to start, 1289 00:56:08,073 --> 00:56:11,368 and I'd kind of have these, like, outer-body experiences-- 1290 00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:12,911 I don't really even know what that means-- 1291 00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:15,122 but, like, I was looking at myself saying, like, 1292 00:56:15,163 --> 00:56:16,623 "What are you doing here?" 1293 00:56:16,707 --> 00:56:18,292 Like, "You can't... this can't be you having this show." 1294 00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:19,835 You know, like, it was just like... 1295 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:21,295 SOFIA: When you see all the models and the clothes 1296 00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:22,671 -and they're coming together. -Yeah. 1297 00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,506 And I'd have it, like, season after season, 1298 00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:26,258 -so it wasn't, like... -Oh. 1299 00:56:26,341 --> 00:56:27,759 ...with time that went away. 1300 00:56:27,801 --> 00:56:29,344 It was still that same kind of thing, like, 1301 00:56:29,428 --> 00:56:31,513 "I can't believe this is happening for me." 1302 00:56:31,597 --> 00:56:32,973 You don't know how to do the Hustle? 1303 00:56:33,015 --> 00:56:34,725 No, I do not know how to do hustle bustle. 1304 00:56:34,808 --> 00:56:36,476 -You're too young. Come on. -I'm not too young... 1305 00:56:36,518 --> 00:56:38,645 Do this. You have to do the slide thing. 1306 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:39,688 Follow me. Don't be so stiff. 1307 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:41,523 -I can't do this. -Relax, relax. 1308 00:56:41,607 --> 00:56:43,984 SOFIA: Do you ever feel satisfied by a collection? 1309 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:45,861 Like, that it turns out the way you imagined it? 1310 00:56:45,944 --> 00:56:47,362 Or you never know what it's gonna be? 1311 00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:49,239 MARC: Um, I feel... 1312 00:56:49,323 --> 00:56:50,866 That was... 1313 00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:54,036 There was that one show we did with Karole Armitage 1314 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:55,537 right before the, um... 1315 00:56:55,621 --> 00:56:56,830 Oh, the dance one? 1316 00:56:56,914 --> 00:56:59,124 -Yeah. Yeah. -Right before the pandemic? 1317 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:00,459 (indistinct chatter) 1318 00:57:00,542 --> 00:57:01,835 MARC: We're all sitting around, 1319 00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:03,587 trying to think, like, "What is this show?" 1320 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:05,505 Like, we're in the Armory and that's all we know. 1321 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,382 There has to be something 1322 00:57:07,466 --> 00:57:08,675 credible about this. 1323 00:57:08,759 --> 00:57:10,344 There needs to be an idea here. 1324 00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:12,095 Like, I just don't want, like, a bunch of dancers. 1325 00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:14,181 Out of that conversation, 1326 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,142 Karole Armitage's name came to mind. 1327 00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,603 I mean, she was amazing back then. 1328 00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:21,396 It was like if Edie Segwick were a punk ballerina. 1329 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,856 -Wow. -It was very that. 1330 00:57:22,898 --> 00:57:24,691 We started talking about an idea, 1331 00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:26,693 and then we auditioned dancers. 1332 00:57:26,735 --> 00:57:28,570 We saw hundreds of people. 1333 00:57:28,654 --> 00:57:30,364 On the second floor, we created a dance studio, 1334 00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:32,324 and she started choreographing this piece, 1335 00:57:32,407 --> 00:57:33,659 and they were working around the clock. 1336 00:57:33,742 --> 00:57:35,535 And then we had fittings. 1337 00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:36,870 It was crazy. 1338 00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,539 But, see, I-I-- That kind of crazy, I love, 1339 00:57:39,581 --> 00:57:41,500 'cause you just feel like... 1340 00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:43,627 you feel like something's, you know, happening. 1341 00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:46,505 You're making something, and it's exciting and all that. 1342 00:57:46,588 --> 00:57:48,882 And then I was blown away by the show. 1343 00:57:52,177 --> 00:57:55,931 ("Orchestra Rehearsal" by Anton Batagov playing) 1344 00:58:04,731 --> 00:58:06,900 And then we said, 1345 00:58:06,942 --> 00:58:09,403 "Oh, shit, we have to make all these clothes for the dancers." 1346 00:58:09,444 --> 00:58:10,904 We wanted them to be dressed 1347 00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:14,533 in a way that was similar enough to the vibe of the show 1348 00:58:14,574 --> 00:58:17,077 that you would lose the dancers and the models. 1349 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,412 -SOFIA: Yeah, I love that. -You know, that they wouldn't 1350 00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:20,706 be, like... them versus us. 1351 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,001 After that show, 1352 00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:28,755 I had such a feeling that came over me. 1353 00:58:28,797 --> 00:58:33,135 I can re-feel it right now. 1354 00:58:33,677 --> 00:58:36,513 If this was my last show, I'd be happy with... 1355 00:58:36,596 --> 00:58:38,265 Like, I'd be happy, like, 1356 00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:40,600 to end my whole career on this show. 1357 00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:43,478 Like, it just felt-- I was really super satisfied. 1358 00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:44,896 Now, when I go back, 1359 00:58:44,938 --> 00:58:46,940 I still find fault with some of the clothes. 1360 00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,442 -Like, some of the clothes are problematic. -Really? 1361 00:58:48,483 --> 00:58:49,568 -But... -Really? Oh, I... 1362 00:58:49,651 --> 00:58:51,570 -But the show... -No one... 1363 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:53,196 -...as a thing, -(applause) 1364 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,949 as a collaboration, as a thing, 1365 00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:58,493 as a seven-minute piece of theater, 1366 00:58:58,577 --> 00:59:00,787 I thought, was amazing. 1367 00:59:00,829 --> 00:59:02,122 ♪ ♪ 1368 00:59:02,164 --> 00:59:05,000 (cheering, applause) 1369 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,628 -(birds chirping) -(vehicle passes) 1370 00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:10,255 WOMAN: No problem. No problem. 1371 00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:12,716 -MARC: Did you meet Giuseppe? -ROMAN: I did not. 1372 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,302 -How many years we worked together? -30. 1373 00:59:15,343 --> 00:59:16,636 30 years. 1374 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,764 We've been-- He's been working with me on shoes 1375 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:21,558 and making all the shoes for the shows since 30 years. 1376 00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:26,813 I make, uh, 105, 106 défilé with you. 1377 00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:28,982 -MARC: 106 défilé? Yeah. Wow. -Sì. 1378 00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:30,817 -Mm. Why are they so big? -Huh? 1379 00:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,611 Why are they so big? They're men? 1380 00:59:32,694 --> 00:59:34,988 -'Cause they're kind of like clown shoes. -Oh. 1381 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:36,156 (chime dings) 1382 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:40,160 ("Big Spender" by Joseph Gershenson playing) 1383 00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:44,081 ♪ ♪ 1384 00:59:46,166 --> 00:59:48,210 (chime dings) 1385 00:59:54,257 --> 00:59:56,343 Hey, mister, can I talk to you for a minute? 1386 00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:58,011 Got a cigarette for me, mister, huh? 1387 00:59:58,095 --> 00:59:59,971 Hey, mister, do you speak Spanish? 1388 01:00:00,055 --> 01:00:02,224 Hey, tiger, you want to dance? A little dance won't hurt you. 1389 01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:03,809 Come here, cowboy. I want to tell you something. 1390 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:05,727 Moshi, moshi, ikaga desu-ka, baby? 1391 01:00:05,811 --> 01:00:07,354 Ooh, you're so tall. 1392 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:10,023 MARC: So often I like the same images as a starting point. 1393 01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:13,485 And the lineup of all the dance hall girls 1394 01:00:13,568 --> 01:00:16,363 in "Big Spender," you know, in the number in Sweet Charity, 1395 01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:18,657 it's just one of those things, like... 1396 01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:20,992 -That you always... -It's just I'll never... 1397 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:23,328 -not be inspired by that image. -(laughs) 1398 01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:26,206 So there's one scene, and it's all the different dancers 1399 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:28,875 against the, like, bar. 1400 01:00:28,959 --> 01:00:30,544 And you see them all in profile, 1401 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,295 and they all have these different wigs 1402 01:00:32,379 --> 01:00:33,880 and very powdery skin, 1403 01:00:33,964 --> 01:00:37,008 and they just look kind of like broken dolls, 1404 01:00:37,092 --> 01:00:39,761 -in a way that only Fosse could do. -Mm. (chuckles) 1405 01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:43,223 ♪ So let me get right to the point ♪ 1406 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:50,856 ♪ I don't pop my cork for every guy I see ♪ 1407 01:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,733 ♪ Hey, big spender... ♪ 1408 01:00:53,775 --> 01:00:55,110 MARC: And it's so-- it's so right. 1409 01:00:55,193 --> 01:00:56,862 Like... like, to make eye contact 1410 01:00:56,903 --> 01:00:59,906 with the audience is, like, really disturbs people. 1411 01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:03,451 Or to point at them, really. Like, you know, it's really... 1412 01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:06,037 And-and I just-- I thought, like... 1413 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,582 I've looked at this so many times, and I found it 1414 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:11,585 so cool, but I didn't realize, like, 1415 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:12,961 when you broke it down, how, like... 1416 01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:16,715 you know, how smart every little gesture was. 1417 01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:19,843 ("The Pompeii Club (Rich Man's Frug)" playing) 1418 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,310 The precision of every little gesture 1419 01:01:28,393 --> 01:01:34,274 created a feeling of discomfort or titillation 1420 01:01:34,357 --> 01:01:35,525 or whatever it was. 1421 01:01:35,609 --> 01:01:38,320 And he was a really incredible man. 1422 01:01:38,403 --> 01:01:39,487 Like, a really-- genius. 1423 01:01:39,571 --> 01:01:41,364 -SOFIA: Oh, okay. Mm. -MARC: Yeah. 1424 01:01:41,448 --> 01:01:42,908 (indistinct chatter) 1425 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,618 MARC: I think she's just trying to loosen up the models 1426 01:01:44,659 --> 01:01:46,036 a little bit, get them to do what I want 1427 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:47,954 -but, like, also, like, relax. -Yeah. 1428 01:01:48,038 --> 01:01:49,623 -Did you tell her how... their personalities? -Well, yeah. 1429 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:51,791 I said which arms go forward 1430 01:01:51,833 --> 01:01:53,585 -and which arms go behind. -Oh. 1431 01:01:53,668 --> 01:01:55,503 And which arms are out at the side. 1432 01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:56,713 Oh, fun. (chuckles) 1433 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:59,424 (indistinct chatter) 1434 01:01:59,507 --> 01:02:01,968 WOMAN: Hi, everyone. 1435 01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,429 Um, Faye, I'll walk you through so you know it. 1436 01:02:04,471 --> 01:02:08,099 It's a simple... simple runway, but there is a beautiful set 1437 01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,435 that you have to work your way around. So... 1438 01:02:10,518 --> 01:02:12,479 14, Diane. 1439 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,272 15, Caren. 1440 01:02:14,356 --> 01:02:16,066 16, Camille. 1441 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:18,318 17, Luiza. 1442 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,071 18, Victoria. 1443 01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:26,826 MARC: Um, Delilah's little... 1444 01:02:26,868 --> 01:02:29,663 -Yes. Yeah. -Do y... arms out like this? 1445 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,665 (stammering) Uh, I think they're... 1446 01:02:31,706 --> 01:02:33,208 Uh, they can just be in front like this. 1447 01:02:33,291 --> 01:02:34,417 -They can just be in front. -In front of the dress? 1448 01:02:34,501 --> 01:02:35,752 Yeah. Yeah. 1449 01:02:35,835 --> 01:02:37,337 -JOSEPH: I'd say. -MARC: Okay. Okay. 1450 01:02:37,379 --> 01:02:40,173 Let's see. Delilah should keep her arms 1451 01:02:40,257 --> 01:02:41,967 a little bit like this, like a ballerina. 1452 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:43,969 She's got, like, the little white tights 1453 01:02:44,052 --> 01:02:46,263 and that little minidress, but not like-like that. 1454 01:02:46,346 --> 01:02:48,181 But just like... Sh-She does it automatically. 1455 01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:49,849 -Okay. Okay. -If you just tell her... 1456 01:02:49,891 --> 01:02:51,518 -What I don't want is this. -Here she is. 1457 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,853 -Okay. -Delilah, you're gonna be a little bit like this, right? 1458 01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:55,981 -Just like a little ballerina... -Perfect. 1459 01:02:56,064 --> 01:02:57,941 ...cocktail waitress, dance hall girl. 1460 01:02:58,024 --> 01:03:00,151 -"Can I take your order?" -Exactly. 1461 01:03:00,235 --> 01:03:02,988 I think, over the years, what's happened is the story, 1462 01:03:03,071 --> 01:03:05,323 to me, just becomes a-a piece of entertainment. 1463 01:03:05,407 --> 01:03:07,200 Like, it's not about the clothes at all. 1464 01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:10,495 Like, the clothes may be the main part of the story, 1465 01:03:10,578 --> 01:03:12,205 but it's really about, 1466 01:03:12,247 --> 01:03:16,042 like, telling a little story in seven minutes and, you know, 1467 01:03:16,126 --> 01:03:17,877 and-and that's made out of shapes and colors 1468 01:03:17,919 --> 01:03:19,879 and fabrics and... 1469 01:03:19,921 --> 01:03:21,464 Even if it's not abstract, 1470 01:03:21,548 --> 01:03:23,550 there's just more of an abstract approach to it. 1471 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:25,218 Just like... whatever. 1472 01:03:25,302 --> 01:03:26,636 Put this together. Tell the story. 1473 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,723 (indistinct chatter) 1474 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:32,684 She's very Mrs. Robinson, this one. (chuckles) 1475 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:34,519 But not. 1476 01:03:34,561 --> 01:03:37,314 Like Mrs. Robinson if I were redoing The Graduate. (laughs) 1477 01:03:37,397 --> 01:03:39,399 BENJAMIN: You give me a drink, you put on music. 1478 01:03:39,441 --> 01:03:41,609 Now you start opening up your personal life to me 1479 01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:44,070 -and tell me your husband won't be home for hours. -So? 1480 01:03:44,112 --> 01:03:46,406 Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me. 1481 01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:48,825 (laughing) 1482 01:03:52,287 --> 01:03:56,082 ("Ambient Chopin" by Peter Murray playing) 1483 01:03:56,166 --> 01:03:59,044 MARC: I have some very fond memories of watching my mother 1484 01:03:59,127 --> 01:04:01,921 do her makeup when she'd go out on a date. 1485 01:04:02,005 --> 01:04:04,049 I could sit there for hours and sort of watch her 1486 01:04:04,132 --> 01:04:07,969 as she'd choose her clothes and put her makeup on. 1487 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,971 She took a piece of black velvet ribbon 1488 01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:11,931 and she'd scrape it with a knife 1489 01:04:11,973 --> 01:04:13,808 so that she could take the pile from the black velvet 1490 01:04:13,892 --> 01:04:16,936 to make the lashes even thicker and clumpier. 1491 01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:19,064 I just think the idea of transformation 1492 01:04:19,147 --> 01:04:21,608 and creating this person that you want to be 1493 01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:25,612 or show the world at any given time is part of human nature 1494 01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:28,281 and the joy of being a woman, 1495 01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:30,992 man, or-or a person. 1496 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:35,747 (music fades) 1497 01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:37,248 MARC: My father... 1498 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:38,917 SOFIA: He was an agent at William Morris. 1499 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,461 -MARC: Yeah. -Crazy. In New York? 1500 01:04:41,503 --> 01:04:43,963 -MARC: Yeah. Yeah. -Wow. And so he... 1501 01:04:44,005 --> 01:04:45,590 That's where he met my mother. 1502 01:04:45,673 --> 01:04:48,510 She was, like, doing temp work as a receptionist. 1503 01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:50,845 SOFIA: And your dad was an agent for, like, actors and stuff? 1504 01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,680 He was in Variety. 1505 01:04:52,764 --> 01:04:54,474 That was what he did first, which is... 1506 01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:57,268 Then he went to TV. 1507 01:04:57,352 --> 01:05:00,063 TV. But it was right before he died. 1508 01:05:00,146 --> 01:05:03,191 My favorite, favorite memories of my father 1509 01:05:03,274 --> 01:05:05,485 were when he would take me to the office. 1510 01:05:05,568 --> 01:05:06,986 That was, like, the most... 1511 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:09,781 Like, I met the different agents, and you... 1512 01:05:09,864 --> 01:05:12,158 You know, you-- I don't know. I... 1513 01:05:12,242 --> 01:05:14,244 Really, the best memories I have. 1514 01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:16,162 SOFIA: How old were you when you went to live 1515 01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,456 -with your grandmother? -So, I'm always a little bit 1516 01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:19,791 unclear about this, 1517 01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:21,000 'cause I think there was a period of time 1518 01:05:21,084 --> 01:05:22,377 where I was living with her 1519 01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:25,505 but I was still not living with her full-time. 1520 01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:28,133 -You'd just stay with her? -I stayed with her a lot. 1521 01:05:28,216 --> 01:05:32,262 And then I don't know whether it was 13 or 14 1522 01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:35,014 that I was moved-in full-time. 1523 01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:38,184 I had a stepdad who was very... not good 1524 01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:40,019 and, um, not a nice person. 1525 01:05:40,103 --> 01:05:42,981 And he didn't like her, and she didn't like him. 1526 01:05:43,064 --> 01:05:45,024 He forbid me to call her or to see her. 1527 01:05:45,066 --> 01:05:46,818 And I was just, like, not having it. 1528 01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:49,571 (low chatter) 1529 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:55,452 MARC: With Diane, one of the things I was very sure of 1530 01:05:55,535 --> 01:05:59,456 was, like, a very irregular, really exaggerated eyelash. 1531 01:05:59,539 --> 01:06:01,958 And so she used, like, black nail polish, 1532 01:06:02,041 --> 01:06:03,918 like, so they'd have some shine in them. 1533 01:06:04,002 --> 01:06:06,004 But also to make these kind of clumps. 1534 01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:10,133 -Okay, so clump. Clump, clump, clump. -Yeah. Yeah. 1535 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:11,968 Lower one's still not so clumpy. 1536 01:06:12,051 --> 01:06:15,722 -They're very, like, straight line-y. -Yeah. 1537 01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:17,807 (stammers) Is that something you... 1538 01:06:17,891 --> 01:06:19,100 you think it looks better like that? 1539 01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:20,351 No, it's just 'cause we have... 1540 01:06:20,435 --> 01:06:21,895 But then, over time, it starts... 1541 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,563 -They un-pinch? -Yeah. 1542 01:06:23,605 --> 01:06:25,064 MARC: You can't glue them? 1543 01:06:25,106 --> 01:06:26,483 -DIANE: Well, we're using nail polish. -Yeah. 1544 01:06:26,566 --> 01:06:28,151 -DIANE: Yeah. -But... 'Cause you know what I mean? 1545 01:06:28,234 --> 01:06:29,944 -DIANE: Yes. -It's like one, two, three, four. 1546 01:06:30,028 --> 01:06:31,905 -They just look like straight lines. -Yeah. Yeah. 1547 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:33,948 MARC: Whereas here, you get those nice triangles 1548 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:35,658 -and shapes. -Yeah. 1549 01:06:35,742 --> 01:06:37,869 I think we have to... Like, here they're good, aren't they? 1550 01:06:37,952 --> 01:06:40,038 Better. 1551 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,292 -Better. -It's lining on the top, 1552 01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,753 -and then I brush the underneath into it. -Okay. Okay. 1553 01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:51,257 -DIANE: So it's not super defined all over. -Okay. 1554 01:06:51,341 --> 01:06:54,344 DIANE: So you just get the emphasis on the top shape. 1555 01:06:54,427 --> 01:06:56,304 (low chatter) 1556 01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:58,515 -It's like the cut crease, no brow. -Yes. Yeah. 1557 01:06:58,598 --> 01:07:01,643 -Cut crease with a brow. And brow. -Yeah. -Yeah. 1558 01:07:01,726 --> 01:07:04,395 And then there's no brow at all, which was what we saw yesterday. 1559 01:07:04,479 --> 01:07:07,565 -Yeah. -Yes. With nothing on the eye. 1560 01:07:07,649 --> 01:07:09,526 (low chatter) 1561 01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:14,864 MARC: See, there, the skin and the highlight... 1562 01:07:14,948 --> 01:07:16,407 DIANE: Looked great. 1563 01:07:16,491 --> 01:07:18,535 -Yeah. Well, I mean... -Because you're getting the... 1564 01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,828 -Huh? -That is the beauty light, there. -Yeah. 1565 01:07:20,912 --> 01:07:22,497 Beauty light. 1566 01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,082 -That's what we need all over the world. -(chuckles) 1567 01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:25,792 In the weeks leading up to the show, 1568 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:27,293 it'd just get faster and faster. 1569 01:07:27,335 --> 01:07:29,212 So there's, like, more that has to get done 1570 01:07:29,295 --> 01:07:31,130 and patterns get corrected, 1571 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:33,800 and then they have to go out to Italy to be sewn 1572 01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:35,260 and come back and whatever. 1573 01:07:35,343 --> 01:07:38,263 So it does feel like it all accelerates in the f... 1574 01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:41,307 the f-four weeks before the show 1575 01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:46,187 and more in the two weeks before the show. But, um... 1576 01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:48,439 SOFIA: Though, at this point, you have no idea what... 1577 01:07:48,523 --> 01:07:51,317 MARC: I really don't have any idea at all. 1578 01:07:51,401 --> 01:07:53,695 ("My Love is Better" by Annie playing) 1579 01:07:56,739 --> 01:08:00,410 ♪ ♪ 1580 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,835 ♪ Coming with a lie, here we go again... ♪ 1581 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,129 MARC: Very often, especially lately, 1582 01:08:11,212 --> 01:08:14,132 you know, there's just a type of sound that I feel 1583 01:08:14,215 --> 01:08:17,510 is both dramatic and-and, 1584 01:08:17,594 --> 01:08:19,345 like, kind of emotionally stimulating. 1585 01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:21,514 And, you know, the Armory 1586 01:08:21,555 --> 01:08:24,350 is a very big place, and I-I feel like 1587 01:08:24,392 --> 01:08:26,310 the only music that stands up to it are, like, 1588 01:08:26,352 --> 01:08:29,022 -really great composers. You know? -Dramatic. Yeah. 1589 01:08:29,063 --> 01:08:31,232 (music fades) 1590 01:08:33,734 --> 01:08:36,863 ("Richter: Spring 1" by Max Richter playing) 1591 01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:48,499 ♪ ♪ 1592 01:08:56,591 --> 01:08:58,635 ♪ ♪ 1593 01:09:01,595 --> 01:09:03,348 SOFIA: Do you remember when you first met Marc? 1594 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:06,975 Yes. I think it was at Honmura An's, is my memory. 1595 01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,810 And I have to ask him if this is true. 1596 01:09:08,895 --> 01:09:10,188 It was with Sadie Coles, 1597 01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:11,856 and it was when he was interested in art. 1598 01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:15,568 We had dinner, and we just, like, hit it off instantly. 1599 01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:19,863 I think we just, like, had a conversation about, um, 1600 01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,408 like Pina Bausch and also, like, 1601 01:09:22,492 --> 01:09:24,786 just, like, weird, unusual things 1602 01:09:24,868 --> 01:09:27,246 that John and I really liked to talk about. 1603 01:09:27,287 --> 01:09:30,291 And he knew about really unusual things 1604 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:31,917 like Rainer Fassbinder. 1605 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:35,587 -Fassbinder. -That's what they had a big connection about. 1606 01:09:35,671 --> 01:09:39,550 And it was just interesting about the eye of a designer 1607 01:09:39,591 --> 01:09:42,428 who was so particular-- the same eye as John, 1608 01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:45,515 but then John does it through paint. 1609 01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:48,518 I remember I was, like, cutting up 1610 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,770 some drawings of-- I was making copies 1611 01:09:50,812 --> 01:09:54,148 of Piranesi-like ruins. 1612 01:09:54,691 --> 01:09:56,943 And then he's like, "Do you want to come over 1613 01:09:56,984 --> 01:09:58,820 and talk to me about doing set?" 1614 01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:02,281 And the show was on February 14, and it was February 1. 1615 01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:04,701 And then I'm making all these Puritan girls, 1616 01:10:04,784 --> 01:10:06,119 like the Puritans 1617 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,663 from, like, America, 16-something. 1618 01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,040 And he said, "Your carriage is called 1619 01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:12,375 "'Puritan's Delight.' 1620 01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:14,335 And these girls have been my inspiration." 1621 01:10:14,419 --> 01:10:15,712 And he says, "Can you bring in 1622 01:10:15,795 --> 01:10:17,672 what you're working on by tomorrow?" 1623 01:10:17,755 --> 01:10:20,174 And so I-I think I stayed up all night doing all this stuff. 1624 01:10:20,258 --> 01:10:22,552 I brought it in as a little paper set, 1625 01:10:22,635 --> 01:10:24,595 and he said, "It's fantastic. 1626 01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:27,014 And just do whatever she says. Make it happen." 1627 01:10:27,098 --> 01:10:28,433 I just think you need air. 1628 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:29,600 -We want to see the neck? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1629 01:10:29,684 --> 01:10:31,185 Probably want this to be a little... 1630 01:10:31,269 --> 01:10:33,020 Yeah, I just, I just want to see some space, 1631 01:10:33,104 --> 01:10:35,481 especially 'cause you're gonna have these collars in here, 1632 01:10:35,523 --> 01:10:37,734 and-and I just think it looks more beautiful. 1633 01:10:37,817 --> 01:10:41,320 -("Ashes to Ashes" by Warpaint) -♪ In such an early song ♪ 1634 01:10:41,362 --> 01:10:43,030 ♪ I've heard a rumor from ground control... ♪ 1635 01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:46,242 MARC: But it is crazy, when you think of the amount of work 1636 01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:48,202 and the amount of people to make something 1637 01:10:48,286 --> 01:10:50,204 -that's seen only once. -Yeah, for seven minutes. 1638 01:10:50,288 --> 01:10:51,706 -Yeah. -Ever. 1639 01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:53,458 ♪ I'm happy... ♪ 1640 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:56,878 MARC: I had seen this picture of, um, some dolls 1641 01:10:56,961 --> 01:10:59,672 that Taboo had made, and it was of the Supremes. 1642 01:10:59,714 --> 01:11:03,009 And they were just so naively done, which was so sweet. 1643 01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:06,220 And then one of my favorite videos of the Supremes 1644 01:11:06,304 --> 01:11:08,347 is this appearance that-- 1645 01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,641 they were on The Tennessee Ernie Ford show, 1646 01:11:10,725 --> 01:11:13,895 and it's Diana singing "Reflections," 1647 01:11:13,978 --> 01:11:16,522 and it's the three of them just in these, like, spangly dresses. 1648 01:11:16,606 --> 01:11:19,609 And I just always have been mesmerized by that. 1649 01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:24,322 ♪ Crying reflects a hurt I can't control ♪ 1650 01:11:24,405 --> 01:11:26,365 ♪ 'Cause although you're gone ♪ 1651 01:11:26,449 --> 01:11:29,368 ♪ I keep holding on ♪ 1652 01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:31,287 ♪ To the happy times ♪ 1653 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:34,207 ♪ Ooh, when you were mine ♪ 1654 01:11:34,832 --> 01:11:39,462 ♪ As I peer through the window of lost time ♪ 1655 01:11:39,545 --> 01:11:41,589 ♪ Looking over my yesterday ♪ 1656 01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:47,136 ♪ And all the love I gave all in vain ♪ 1657 01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:49,180 ♪ All the love ♪ 1658 01:11:49,263 --> 01:11:50,556 ♪ All the love that I've wasted... ♪ 1659 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,683 SOFIA: I love that the mirrors on the bags 1660 01:11:52,767 --> 01:11:54,227 -come from the Supremes. -Yeah, like... 1661 01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:55,728 I would never have put that together. 1662 01:11:55,812 --> 01:11:57,313 I mean, they weren't mirrored. They were sequined. 1663 01:11:57,396 --> 01:11:58,981 -But it's still, like... it... -Yeah. 1664 01:11:59,065 --> 01:12:00,900 MARC: Just if, like, if you had to do it yourself. 1665 01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:02,944 ("Tigerlily" by La Roux playing) 1666 01:12:07,782 --> 01:12:09,617 All these girls are girls who like boys, 1667 01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:11,744 and I think, like, you know, I'm not really into, 1668 01:12:11,828 --> 01:12:14,789 like, accessories at the moment, like, jewelry. 1669 01:12:14,872 --> 01:12:17,291 So I said, "Oh, we'll just make the boys the accessories." 1670 01:12:17,375 --> 01:12:19,669 ("Tigerlily" continues playing) 1671 01:12:23,089 --> 01:12:26,509 Happy birthday, Katie! I love you! 1672 01:12:26,592 --> 01:12:29,595 ♪ Tonight out on the streets I'm gonna follow you ♪ 1673 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:33,140 ♪ And tell you all about a scene that you would kill for ♪ 1674 01:12:33,224 --> 01:12:36,602 ♪ You're gonna love what's running right in front of you ♪ 1675 01:12:36,686 --> 01:12:39,772 ♪ But you won't see it by the light of the sun. ♪ 1676 01:12:39,856 --> 01:12:41,440 (song ends) 1677 01:12:46,779 --> 01:12:49,657 ♪ ♪ 1678 01:12:57,498 --> 01:12:59,667 (crowd chatter) 1679 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,341 It's showtime. 1680 01:13:08,175 --> 01:13:11,470 We are very not linear, in terms of the way we work. 1681 01:13:11,512 --> 01:13:14,849 And it's kind of like we're always looking 1682 01:13:14,932 --> 01:13:16,559 for something that we're interested in 1683 01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:18,144 or excited by, right? 1684 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:20,855 And then you can't kind of find inspiration that way. 1685 01:13:20,938 --> 01:13:22,857 You kind of have to be doing something 1686 01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:25,484 and you have, like, some kind of connection to it. 1687 01:13:25,568 --> 01:13:27,695 And I don't remember at what point in the process, 1688 01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:30,281 but we had been talking about all these different things-- 1689 01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:31,532 about scale, about size-- 1690 01:13:31,616 --> 01:13:34,327 and then something came up somewhere, 1691 01:13:34,368 --> 01:13:35,453 and I saw that picture 1692 01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,955 of the table at the Broad 1693 01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,708 that I had seen and experienced many times. 1694 01:13:40,791 --> 01:13:43,044 And, um, so then I looked up Robert Therrien, 1695 01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:45,296 and I was just like, "Oh, well, this folding table and chairs 1696 01:13:45,379 --> 01:13:47,757 just sums it up for me." 1697 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,135 And I kind of felt very much this kindred spirit, 1698 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:53,429 'cause everyday things, whatever "everyday" 1699 01:13:53,512 --> 01:13:56,557 means to you, is like the wonder of the inspiration 1700 01:13:56,641 --> 01:13:58,392 you find in them, 1701 01:13:58,476 --> 01:14:01,604 the way he thinks, how he gets to where he's going. 1702 01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:05,524 I just feel like that feels really like what we're doing. 1703 01:14:05,566 --> 01:14:07,568 (indistinct chatter) 1704 01:14:15,576 --> 01:14:17,870 -What you doing? Came undone? -Yeah. 1705 01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:20,706 So should we get Joseph or some-somebody? 1706 01:14:20,748 --> 01:14:22,708 (Wali speaking indistinctly) 1707 01:14:22,792 --> 01:14:25,211 Yeah. Okay, so we don't want that to happen 1708 01:14:25,252 --> 01:14:26,629 when you've got the jacket on. 1709 01:14:26,712 --> 01:14:31,342 So can we get-- Somebody find me Joseph or-- Joseph? 1710 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:32,927 Joseph, Wali's top keeps opening 1711 01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:34,470 -when she puts the jacket on. -Oh, really? All right. 1712 01:14:34,553 --> 01:14:36,013 -Yeah, the snaps. -Oh, okay. 1713 01:14:36,097 --> 01:14:37,390 So I think if you pin it or whatever you want to do. 1714 01:14:37,431 --> 01:14:39,266 -Yeah, yeah. -But when she... 1715 01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:40,434 As soon as she does this. 1716 01:14:40,518 --> 01:14:41,978 (Joseph speaks indistinctly) 1717 01:14:42,061 --> 01:14:43,646 -We've only got ten minutes. -Okay, then I'll... 1718 01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:46,357 -But your nail polish still looks good. -Yeah. 1719 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:47,817 -Right? -Yeah. 1720 01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:49,610 -I was just talking... -Yeah, that's it. 1721 01:14:49,694 --> 01:14:51,529 -Like that. -MARC: Got it. 1722 01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,114 SOFIA: But do you always get nervous 1723 01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,241 right before, even though you've done this a million times? 1724 01:14:55,282 --> 01:14:58,077 Yeah. I do, and I don't... 1725 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,162 I don't know. It's like... 1726 01:15:00,246 --> 01:15:01,580 Yeah, I get really nervous. 1727 01:15:01,622 --> 01:15:05,251 It's, like, such a physical thing. 1728 01:15:05,334 --> 01:15:07,211 -SOFIA: I can feel it for you. -I think it's just very... 1729 01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:08,462 I don't know. Maybe... 1730 01:15:08,546 --> 01:15:11,090 Is it different for you? Like, I feel... 1731 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:12,717 I feel very fright... 1732 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,429 Like, I-I mean, obviously, I work to show the work. 1733 01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:18,264 -Yeah. -But then showing the work 1734 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:19,598 is a very frightening thing. 1735 01:15:19,682 --> 01:15:21,642 How many minutes left? 1736 01:15:26,772 --> 01:15:30,651 We have to start in four minutes, people! 1737 01:15:30,735 --> 01:15:33,154 Literally four minutes! 1738 01:15:33,237 --> 01:15:34,697 I'm ready. Like... 1739 01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:36,449 but the girls aren't quite ready. 1740 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,325 So when the girls are ready, 1741 01:15:38,409 --> 01:15:40,453 then I'm like, "Oh, my God, do we really have to wait 1742 01:15:40,494 --> 01:15:41,954 for the audience? Do we really?" 1743 01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:43,372 -Yeah. Yeah. -You know, I want to get them dressed. 1744 01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:44,957 I want to get going. 1745 01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:47,126 And I've been, like, super impatient on a couple of shows 1746 01:15:47,168 --> 01:15:49,795 where, you know, I was insisting with KCD backstage, 1747 01:15:49,879 --> 01:15:51,589 like, "I don't care if it's five-of." 1748 01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:53,591 -Oh. -And they're like, "No, you've got to, like, 1749 01:15:53,674 --> 01:15:55,968 at least wait till 6:00." You know. 1750 01:15:56,052 --> 01:15:58,304 (crowd chatter) 1751 01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:11,901 You have two minutes. 1752 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:15,863 Two minutes. 1753 01:16:17,656 --> 01:16:19,950 -It's one minute, Duffy. You gonna be okay? -Yeah. 1754 01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:22,870 Okay. It's 6:00. We're starting the show. 1755 01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,872 -It's 6:00. We're starting the show. -Making the announcement. 1756 01:16:24,955 --> 01:16:27,958 -Yeah, we're making the announcement now. -Okay. 1757 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,754 (soft chatter) 1758 01:16:35,716 --> 01:16:37,051 We are now late! 1759 01:16:37,134 --> 01:16:39,095 -Can we please start the show? -Yes. 1760 01:16:39,178 --> 01:16:40,846 -Yes. Now. -Starting the show fully. 1761 01:16:40,888 --> 01:16:42,890 -Now. Now. -Starting the show. Everyone... 1762 01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:44,809 MARC: We're starting the show now. 1763 01:16:44,892 --> 01:16:47,061 ("Metamorphosis One" by Philip Glass playing) 1764 01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:58,072 ♪ ♪ 1765 01:17:14,547 --> 01:17:16,757 ♪ ♪ 1766 01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:26,767 ♪ ♪ 1767 01:17:44,285 --> 01:17:46,954 ♪ ♪ 1768 01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:58,924 ♪ ♪ 1769 01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:24,366 ♪ ♪ 1770 01:18:45,304 --> 01:18:47,348 ♪ ♪ 1771 01:18:59,026 --> 01:19:00,778 ♪ ♪ 1772 01:19:25,302 --> 01:19:28,264 ♪ ♪ 1773 01:19:50,494 --> 01:19:53,163 Standing by. Um... 1774 01:19:54,623 --> 01:19:56,542 In three, two, one. 1775 01:20:00,504 --> 01:20:02,589 (cheering, applause) 1776 01:20:14,393 --> 01:20:16,228 (cheering, applause fades) 1777 01:20:16,312 --> 01:20:18,063 (birds chirping) 1778 01:20:18,147 --> 01:20:19,898 (giggles) 1779 01:20:22,776 --> 01:20:24,445 (chuckles) 1780 01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:40,794 SOFIA: How's the morning after the show? 1781 01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:44,631 Um... um, it's okay. 1782 01:20:44,715 --> 01:20:47,343 It's okay. I'm j-- I'm... 1783 01:20:47,426 --> 01:20:49,261 I'm very tired. 1784 01:20:49,345 --> 01:20:51,430 Do you feel like there's some catharsis 1785 01:20:51,472 --> 01:20:55,934 or that you work out things from... childhood wounds 1786 01:20:56,018 --> 01:20:59,229 in being able to make these imaginary worlds or...? 1787 01:20:59,313 --> 01:21:01,607 MARC: Yeah, so when I was much younger 1788 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:05,736 and... like, my family fell apart-- 1789 01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:07,696 you know, my dad died and all this stuff-- 1790 01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:09,740 I think I... 1791 01:21:09,823 --> 01:21:11,575 My solution, you know, 1792 01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:16,121 to all this chaos and mental illness and all this stuff 1793 01:21:16,163 --> 01:21:18,499 was, like, go to your room and make your room 1794 01:21:18,582 --> 01:21:21,251 into this safe place and-- where you can express yourself 1795 01:21:21,335 --> 01:21:24,046 and you can feel comfortable and you can feel happy, you know. 1796 01:21:24,129 --> 01:21:28,300 And I do think-- I do think that that was like... 1797 01:21:28,384 --> 01:21:31,470 It-it may not be... 1798 01:21:31,512 --> 01:21:34,807 Like, that, that felt like the beginning 1799 01:21:34,848 --> 01:21:39,103 of my understanding of how... 1800 01:21:39,186 --> 01:21:42,231 I have, like... my hiding place, 1801 01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:45,317 but I also have my world, and then I also have 1802 01:21:45,401 --> 01:21:47,152 that place where I can make something. 1803 01:21:47,236 --> 01:21:49,530 And maybe what came after was like, okay, I can make something 1804 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:50,989 and I want to share it. 1805 01:21:51,073 --> 01:21:53,075 SOFIA: I remember you used to really crash. 1806 01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:54,660 -Yeah. -'Cause you used to be really down, 1807 01:21:54,701 --> 01:21:55,828 I feel like, after a show. 1808 01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:57,162 Well, the down thing will happen. 1809 01:21:57,204 --> 01:21:58,747 Like, um, my friend Lana, 1810 01:21:58,831 --> 01:22:01,166 she-she calls it "post-art-done." 1811 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:03,043 -Oh, yeah. -As opposed to "postpartum." 1812 01:22:03,127 --> 01:22:05,003 I always say it's postpartum, but that is "post-art-done." 1813 01:22:05,045 --> 01:22:06,463 -Yeah. -So she changed it. 1814 01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:08,257 'Cause she's like, after she makes a movie, 1815 01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,468 she's like, "There's this... such excitement," 1816 01:22:11,552 --> 01:22:13,971 but then, like-- and you can't really explain it-- 1817 01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:16,932 but I guess it's like giving birth, in a sense. 1818 01:22:17,015 --> 01:22:18,684 There's, like, this comedown. 1819 01:22:18,767 --> 01:22:22,187 And no matter how you feel about the work you've done, 1820 01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:24,731 you just can't avoid it, it's gonna happen. 1821 01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:26,024 MARC: Girls, it looks amazing. 1822 01:22:26,108 --> 01:22:28,527 You look gorgeous. It's really great. 1823 01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:31,864 I started obsessing over, like, a certain mistake yesterday 1824 01:22:31,947 --> 01:22:34,074 or-or something I didn't like yesterday, 1825 01:22:34,158 --> 01:22:36,201 and then I was like, "Just let it go, let it go." 1826 01:22:36,285 --> 01:22:38,537 But they'll catch up to me, you know, 1827 01:22:38,579 --> 01:22:39,913 as I see more photos 1828 01:22:39,997 --> 01:22:44,001 or as I read reviews or... 1829 01:22:44,084 --> 01:22:45,878 I have a little distance, you know? 1830 01:22:45,919 --> 01:22:48,046 Then I'll start, like, getting... 1831 01:22:48,088 --> 01:22:50,549 I guess, down and a bit, like, agitated. 1832 01:22:50,632 --> 01:22:53,010 My shrink always says, like, "Obsessing over something 1833 01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,387 "that happened a week ago isn't gonna change 1834 01:22:55,471 --> 01:22:57,431 what happened a week ago." You know? 1835 01:22:57,514 --> 01:23:01,351 But I somehow believe that if I obsess over it long enough, 1836 01:23:01,435 --> 01:23:03,896 like, it will fix itself, you know. 1837 01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:05,647 And of course I don't really believe it. 1838 01:23:05,731 --> 01:23:09,443 But then I think, "History tells me I said that every time." 1839 01:23:09,526 --> 01:23:13,405 That's the thing about, like, joy in work, 1840 01:23:13,489 --> 01:23:17,117 is that, if you can tap into those few moments 1841 01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:19,995 or those few days or the, you know, whatever it is, 1842 01:23:20,078 --> 01:23:23,832 then-then you kind of... want to do it again. 1843 01:23:23,916 --> 01:23:25,292 You know? 1844 01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:36,803 ♪ Ten decisions shape your life ♪ 1845 01:23:36,887 --> 01:23:41,099 ♪ You'll be aware of five about ♪ 1846 01:23:41,141 --> 01:23:44,353 ♪ Seven ways to go through school ♪ 1847 01:23:44,436 --> 01:23:48,357 ♪ Either you're noticed or left out ♪ 1848 01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:52,945 ♪ Seven ways to get ahead ♪ 1849 01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:57,449 ♪ Seven reasons to drop out ♪ 1850 01:23:59,493 --> 01:24:04,164 ♪ When I said, "I can see me in your eyes" ♪ 1851 01:24:04,248 --> 01:24:08,794 ♪ You said, "I can see you in my bed" ♪ 1852 01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:12,839 ♪ That's not just friendship, that's romance, too ♪ 1853 01:24:12,923 --> 01:24:17,636 ♪ You like music we can dance to ♪ 1854 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:21,473 ♪ Sit me down ♪ 1855 01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:25,185 ♪ Shut me up ♪ 1856 01:24:25,269 --> 01:24:30,065 ♪ I'll calm down ♪ 1857 01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:34,194 ♪ And I'll get along with you. ♪ 1858 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:36,697 (song ends) 1859 01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,324 -("Line Up" by Elastica playing) -(grunting in song) 1860 01:24:58,302 --> 01:25:01,555 ♪ Drivel Head wears her glad rags ♪ 1861 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:05,642 ♪ She's got her keys, money and fags ♪ 1862 01:25:06,602 --> 01:25:10,022 ♪ I know that her mind is made up ♪ 1863 01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:12,566 ♪ To get rocked ♪ 1864 01:25:15,277 --> 01:25:19,114 ♪ Drivel Head needs a new man ♪ 1865 01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:23,327 ♪ As only a drivel head can ♪ 1866 01:25:24,202 --> 01:25:27,539 ♪ He's a hormonal nightmare ♪ 1867 01:25:27,623 --> 01:25:30,417 ♪ So beware ♪ 1868 01:25:31,084 --> 01:25:34,338 ♪ Another victim of line up in line ♪ 1869 01:25:34,421 --> 01:25:37,799 ♪ Line up in line is all I remember ♪ 1870 01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:40,344 (grunting) 1871 01:25:41,553 --> 01:25:44,431 ♪ Oh, how their favors change ♪ 1872 01:25:44,514 --> 01:25:47,434 ♪ You could have been kinder ♪ 1873 01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:51,563 ♪ Yes, yes, line up in line ♪ 1874 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:55,817 ♪ Line up in line is all I remember ♪ 1875 01:25:58,612 --> 01:26:01,573 ♪ Oh, how their favors change ♪ 1876 01:26:01,615 --> 01:26:05,786 ♪ You could have been mine, uh ♪ 1877 01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:13,877 (grunting) 1878 01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:30,143 ♪ Drivel Head knows all the stars ♪ 1879 01:26:30,227 --> 01:26:34,398 ♪ Loves to suck their shining guitars ♪ 1880 01:26:34,481 --> 01:26:37,943 ♪ They've all been right up her stairs ♪ 1881 01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:40,445 ♪ Do you care? ♪ 1882 01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:41,738 ♪ No. ♪ 1883 01:26:41,822 --> 01:26:42,989 (song ends) 1884 01:26:43,073 --> 01:26:44,866 ♪ ♪ 1885 01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:46,618 (music fades)