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[unsettling music playing]
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- [door opens]
- [woman 1] There we go.
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And everyone's wondering
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why I'm walking around
with this video camera.
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There's Claudine,
one of our collection people.
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Filmin' this so my mom
can see where I work.
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[phone rings]
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[woman 1] This is collections department.
I don't think anybody's here though.
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[laughing] I'm here, stupid.
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[woman 1] Well,
I was lookin' the other way.
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And then in here is Pammy,
and she is just a sweetheart.
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Oh, yeah.
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[woman 2] I was working
at the credit union
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in the federal building downtown.
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{\an8}Hi, Mr. Mog.
This is Amy at the credit union.
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{\an8}I was really excited
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{\an8}because I was getting ready
to close on my first house.
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So when I went to work that morning,
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I was chatting about it with my friends.
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- [woman 1] There's Claudette.
- Hi!
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[Amy] And just running around,
talking to everybody, visiting.
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Not doing any work, you know.
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Hi, Mom.
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[Amy] I really liked the people
that I worked with.
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There was a general sense of community
in the building.
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She's Mary.
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Hi, Mom and Dad.
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[Amy] And my entire friend group was work.
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Those were my friends.
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I took it for granted.
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- [crow cawing]
- [unsettling music continues]
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[Amy] The agencies
in the federal building were
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Social Security, HUD, ATF, Secret Service,
and then you had a daycare.
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[unsettling music swells]
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[muffled children's voices]
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{\an8}[woman] Little Tony was six months old
at the time.
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And I was working as a judge's bailiff
at the county courthouse down the road.
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{\an8}I wanted to see and check on him
throughout the day.
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{\an8}So the daycare
in the Murrah building was close,
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so we decided to put him there.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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A big treat coming your way
on today's Oklahoma at Four.
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We're going to be taking you
into the fantasy world...
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{\an8}I was 30 years old.
I had worked at Channel 9 for nine days.
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{\an8}Driving to work that morning,
I was excited
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{\an8}because I was gonna be
the four o'clock anchor in the afternoon,
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and we were starting to lay
the groundwork out for this new show
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that was going to be starting
at Channel 9.
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I had a green jacket
and this big white shirt,
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and I thought,
"I'm gonna get my nice jewelry on,"
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and I wanted to look good.
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And I remember driving to work
just full of excitement.
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It was a beautiful day.
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[tense music building]
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Do we have any...
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{\an8}I was working
at the University of Oklahoma
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{\an8}as a third-year resident
in emergency medicine and trauma.
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By the time I got off at 7 in the morning,
I was half-dizzy, half-nauseated,
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and wanted to go to bed.
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A friend of mine called,
and he wanted to go to breakfast.
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In the four years I was at OU,
I'd never gone to breakfast,
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but I agreed to this one time.
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[utensils clatter]
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[Amy] One of my coworkers, Robin,
who was seven months pregnant,
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came and sat down in the desk beside me.
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- And the phone rang.
- [phone rings]
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The next thing I know,
I'm hearing this roaring in my head.
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- [clock ticking]
- [tense music fades]
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[ticking stops]
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- [crashing explosion]
- [glass shatters]
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[metal groaning]
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[sinister strings playing]
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[music stops]
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[officer]
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[dispatcher]
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[officer 1]
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[officer 2]
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[officer 3]
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[birds chirping]
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[man] April 19th was a special day.
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We had a fundraiser
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for the Special Olympics.
It was a golf tournament.
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Almost all of the heads
of law enforcement agencies were there.
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{\an8}We had just hit our first tee shots,
and all of a sudden, my pager goes off.
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And then, all the other agency heads,
their pagers started going off as well.
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We were told there's been
some type of a bombing
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at the federal building.
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We then proceeded back to Oklahoma City,
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but we never thought it would be
at the level that actually occurred.
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{\an8}I'm Tammy Payne, at TV 9 newsroom.
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{\an8}If you are anywhere downtown,
you probably heard it and felt it.
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{\an8}An explosion of some kind downtown.
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Here is a live picture from Ranger 9.
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Jesse is in Chopper 9.
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Jesse, tell us
what you're seeing from the air.
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[Jesse] Tammy,
you can see thick black smoke
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billowing from the federal court building
downtown.
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We can see glass blown out
of other downtown office buildings
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about five blocks away.
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{\an8}[dramatic percussive music]
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{\an8}[Jesse] Tammy.
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Tammy.
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It looks like part of the building
has been blown away.
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We'll have to bank around
to the other side.
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[Tammy] It's the federal building,
we're being told.
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My mic is open, is that correct? If you...
Let's try to keep my mic open if we can,
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and I'll be able to talk with Jesse.
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If you are... As the chopper goes around
the side of the federal building...
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- [Jesse] Wow. Holy cow.
- [Tammy] Look at that shot.
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It is absolutely incredible.
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The side of the federal building
has been blown off. Jesse?
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[Jesse] About a third of the building
has been blown away.
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And you can see this smoke
and debris and fire on the ground.
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Downtown, on the ground.
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Uh, this is just devastating.
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And we are uncertain
what caused the explosion at this time.
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[Carl] We were having breakfast,
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and then there was this explosion
that rocked us out of our table.
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[distant sirens wailing]
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I got up and I walked to the door,
and it was raining, like, paper.
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It was, like, snowing paper.
And there was debris everywhere.
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[faint car alarm wailing]
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[Carl] But it was surreal. Dead quiet.
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[footsteps crunch softly]
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[Carl] There was a car alarm
in the distance.
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Other than that,
you could hear the birds chirping.
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[birds chirping]
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When the shockwave
propagated down the street,
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it sucked all the windows
out of the high-rise buildings.
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It just crushed all the cars flat.
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[eerie music playing]
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And I took off running
for the federal building.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Renee] When the explosion happened,
we were in court, and you could feel it.
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The ceiling tiles came in.
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Windows shattered.
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- [man] Let's go.
- [woman] Evacuate.
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People shouting, "Get out.
Evacuate. Get out."
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- [sirens wailing]
- [people screaming]
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[Renee] It was chaotic.
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[Renee] I could hear people saying,
"What happened?"
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That was when I heard the policemen
tell someone else in the crowd
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the explosion happened
at the Murrah building.
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And I was like, "No,"
and I just remember, I started screaming.
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- [fire alarm ringing]
- [music darkens]
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[Carl] When I showed up, the parking lot
was completely engulfed in flames.
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The building had been cut in half,
so you could see into the building.
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People had come out,
and they were walking like zombies,
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and they'd walk as far as they could walk
and collapse.
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They were in shock.
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One young lady made it
all the way to the curb,
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and she was staring off into space.
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So I walked up and said, "Are you okay?"
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And she looked at me, and she goes,
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"I don't know. I don't know."
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She had no idea what had happened to her.
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[anchor] Robin, on the scene.
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- Robin, are you with us?
- [Robin] Yes, I am.
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{\an8}It's unbelievable.
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{\an8}The thing everyone here is saying,
"You would never believe
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{\an8}that this would happen in Oklahoma City."
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As a reporter, and as a person,
as a human, this is my community.
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You're torn
in many different directions of
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how do you do your job,
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and how are you hurting
for all these people?
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You've treated people. What were they
telling you, the people who were hurt?
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Just shock.
They were just totally in shock.
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I remember, not too far away
was a police officer, literally just
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overwhelmed.
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[distant sirens wailing]
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I think that's maybe
the best word for all of us.
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Just... overwhelmed.
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[dramatic music pulsing]
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When you are involved in a major case,
you know it's gonna be total chaos.
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This is just ridiculous.
I mean, this... I can't believe this.
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[Bob] First thing I did
was get control of the perimeter,
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because you're trying to protect
a crime scene.
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How many times do I have to say it?
Back up!
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[Renee] The streets were blocked off.
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I kept trying to get in. Could not get in
because they wouldn't let us through.
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I remember screaming at a police officer,
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and I said, "I have to get through.
I've got to get to my son."
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"He's at the daycare."
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And at that point, he said,
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"All the children are being taken
to the hospital."
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{\an8}Quite hectic here.
They're trying to keep it together.
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{\an8}We have not had
any reports of fatalities at this point.
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{\an8}Definitely, like I said,
plenty of injuries.
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Obviously, we wanted
to get a handle of all this,
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but in this case, the savings of lives
was paramount over anything else.
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[indistinct overlapping voices]
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[Carl] It was going so fast.
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You'd have five, ten,
fifteen seconds to assess somebody.
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[man] Okay, whenever you're ready,
we're ready to--
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[Carl] So I'm looking for signs of life.
Any signs of life.
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Corneal reflexes,
respirations, heart rate, pulse.
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Anything that would give me an indication
that there's at least one sign of life.
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I would say
which ones were gonna go first,
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and which ones could wait a few minutes.
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This is one of the critical!
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And then which ones were not gonna go.
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That's mass casualty triage right there.
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Can you tell me your name?
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[Carl] And to compound all of that,
you had children.
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Can you tell me your name?
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[wailing] Our babies...
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[screaming sobs]
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[Carl] I saw only one
of those children come out
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with any signs of life.
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And right behind her,
there was an older lady
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they'd brought out on a gurney,
and both are agonally breathing.
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[siren wailing]
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But the child had
catastrophic head injuries,
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so I tell 'em to wrap her up,
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move her over
into the temporary morgue we had,
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and somebody stay with the child
until she stopped breathing.
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A lot of people didn't take that well.
And they... cussed me.
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They said,
"You gotta be fucking kidding me."
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And I said, "There's nothing to save.
I got a woman here."
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"I've got two more coming out.
We've had way too many."
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[solemn music playing]
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And when I stood up and turned around,
her mother was behind me.
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She was lost. And...
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[clicks tongue, sniffles]
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She didn't go with her child.
She just waved.
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She just like...
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When we took her away,
she just waved... and walked off.
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[music fades]
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[inhales shakily]
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- [exhales deeply]
- [helicopter blades whirring]
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[tense music playing]
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[tense music building]
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[man] Oklahoma City headquarters
was dispatching one unit after another
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to the downtown area.
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We knew something major was going on.
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{\an8}I got a radio call from my headquarters,
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{\an8}telling me to remain
in my area on routine patrol.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[Hanger] I was driving on the interstate,
coming up behind an old yellow Mercury.
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I see that there was no license plate
on the rear bumper of this vehicle...
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[police siren wails]
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...so I hit the lights and siren
and pulled him over.
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And then I opened
my driver's door and yelled,
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"Driver, step out of the vehicle."
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He didn't get out immediately.
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I yelled again,
"Driver, exit your vehicle."
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And the driver's door
of his vehicle came open.
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He was a tall, slender guy.
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A military-style haircut.
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So I ask him,
"Do you have a driver's license?"
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And he went to his right rear pocket,
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and I saw a bulge under his left arm
that looked like a weapon.
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I grabbed the outside of the jacket
where the bulge is,
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and at the same time
I'm pulling my weapon out,
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and I stick it to the back of his head.
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And he said, "Well, my weapon is loaded."
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And I nudged him in the back of the head
with the barrel of my pistol,
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and I said, "So is mine."
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I searched him and handcuffed him,
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and I take his license,
and I call my dispatcher.
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I ask her to run a check
to see if Tim McVeigh was wanted.
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The car was not reported stolen.
He's not reported wanted.
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And I can't find a criminal record,
but he was carrying a loaded weapon,
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and that's why
he was taken into physical custody.
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- [birds chirping]
- [intense percussive music]
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[woman] I remember that day.
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{\an8}I was... glued to the TV.
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{\an8}And then, Charlie walks in with a guy
that's just like anybody else,
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on misdemeanor charges.
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The standard operating procedure
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for someone booked in
on traffic and misdemeanors
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is that they are released
early the next morning.
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[Marsha] I did his fingerprints.
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He was not sweaty.
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His palms didn't perspire.
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He was calm,
and he was watching TV with us.
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{\an8}Marsha Moritz and I were discussing
what we were seeing on the television,
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{\an8}and McVeigh had looked up
at the television a couple times,
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{\an8}but he never made any comment
about what he was seeing.
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Then, after that, I took his picture.
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{\an8}[anchor] Workers are having to crawl
through the wreckage to try...
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{\an8}[McVeigh]
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{\an8}[anchor] ...they're talking to victims...
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{\an8}[McVeigh]
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{\an8}[dissonant strings build]
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- [music cuts out]
- [water dripping]
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- [woman moans]
- [faint alarm blaring]
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[Amy] My body was numb...
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[faint coughing]
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...and I couldn't move.
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I couldn't really feel much of anything.
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[debris creaking]
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It was hot and dark.
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I couldn't see anything.
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When I would breathe in, it would burn.
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[faint coughing]
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I thought maybe I was dead.
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But then I heard a siren
going off in the distance.
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[siren wailing]
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I realized I was buried alive.
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I was screaming for help,
but I didn't hear anything.
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It was the most sickening...
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terrible feeling.
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It was just...
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- I was alone.
- [dramatic snare]
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- [sirens wailing]
- [dramatic percussive music]
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[Bob] At this point,
communications are shot.
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Phone systems themselves
were non-operable.
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So we set up a command post,
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and I'm literally having to use runners
to send messages
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to the various law enforcement agencies
that are there.
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And we have to determine
the source of the explosion quickly.
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[anchor] The cause of the explosion,
we've heard several reports.
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We've heard
it might be a gas main explosion.
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We're not sure what happened.
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The fire department is looking into
a gas main explosion.
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{\an8}If it wasn't a gas leak
or something in that order,
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{\an8}if it was a bombing,
it implies a level of sophistication.
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[Bob] In conferring
with my bomb technicians,
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we had a large crater
right at the front of the building,
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which would indicate
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that that was the source
of the bomb itself.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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And the direction of the blast
going toward the building.
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All of that information together,
it was our belief
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that this in fact was a bomb.
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We'd never had a bomb like this
go off in the United States.
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{\an8}Now I'm faced with a situation
that is probably going to turn out to be
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the largest investigation
in the history of the FBI.
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Just move out!
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[Jennings] It is now clear
to the investigators
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that the enormous explosion
of the federal building...
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[Frio] Still no firm numbers
on the hurt and missing,
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and still no suspects
or claims of responsibility...
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[reporter 1] ...responsible
for the bomb attack in Oklahoma.
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As Bill Neely reported...
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[reporter 2] There are no reports...
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- [reporter 3] ...Los Angeles...
- [reporter 4] ...Iran suggested suspects...
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[reporter 3] ...criminal courts building,
a building that is always...
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[indistinct chatter]
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The Oklahoma City bombing
was the biggest story in the world
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from the moment it happened.
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{\an8}It was a news story unlike anything
that any of us had ever covered,
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{\an8}because it was so big.
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And even before the FBI said
this was a terrorist attack,
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people started looking at this
and trying to figure out
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who in the hell
could possibly have done this thing.
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There were so many different, crazy tips
that were coming in very early on.
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{\an8}[phone dials]
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{\an8}[woman]
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{\an8}[man 1]
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{\an8}[man 2]
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{\an8}[woman]
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{\an8}[man 1 speaking]
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{\an8}[man 2]
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{\an8}[woman]
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{\an8}[man 1]
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- [woman]
- [beep]
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There was an FBI bulletin
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saying they were looking for a brown SUV
with two Middle Easterners in it.
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[anchor] Two suspects described
as Middle Eastern men,
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20 to 25 and 35 to 38 years old,
both with beards.
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All of a sudden,
we were all looking to see,
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was there a Middle Eastern connection?
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{\an8}According to a US government source,
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{\an8}told CBS News that it has
Middle East terrorism written all over it.
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Unofficially, the FBI is treating this
as a Middle-Eastern-related incident.
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[woman 1] A Muslim woman and a child.
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She ran by very fast, at a very high,
fast pace, with her daughter.
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And they were all dressed up,
and I thought that was odd.
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A lot of Middle Easterners
were in and out of there.
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[reporter] What were they like?
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They look... I'm sorry,
but they all look alike to me.
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Can somebody find out,
is this the second anniversary of Waco?
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- [woman 2] Same day.
- Is it the same day it blew up?
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- [woman 2] That's why it's the 19th.
- [woman 3] Same day Waco happened.
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- Jesus.
- [woman 3] In '93.
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{\an8}One of our reporters came out,
and he pointed out it was April 19th,
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{\an8}and brought up the fact
that this could be domestic terrorism.
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{\an8}I don't know
that it is too soon now to rule out
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{\an8}this attack as being some sort of payback
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{\an8}for what happened
in Waco on this day two years ago.
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[intense percussive music]
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[Lee] In 1993, there was a raid
on the Branch Davidians
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that were led by a guy named David Koresh
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who was amassing a very large arsenal
of illegal weapons in Waco.
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[dispatcher] 911, what's your emergency?
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[man] 75 men around our building,
they're shooting at us.
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Tell them there are children
and women in here and to call it off!
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[Lee] It ended up in a shoot-out
and a 51-day siege where the FBI came in.
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Bob Ricks was one of the main agents
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that was leading what happened
during the Branch Davidian siege in Waco.
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We try to focus on, are you coming out?
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It's always,
"I'm waiting for a message from God."
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We knew from the beginning
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Waco was going to be
extremely difficult to resolve.
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[tense music playing]
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[Lee] On April 19th, they tried to force
the Davidians out with tear gas,
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and a fire erupted,
killing 76 people, including 22 kids.
403
00:20:46,954 --> 00:20:49,830
- [loud boom]
- [blaze crackling]
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00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:54,835
[Lee] Waco was really the lowest point
in the modern history of the FBI,
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and it became a magnet
for all sorts of people
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who were worried about what the government
was going to do with their guns.
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That's a stinking concern
about them women and kids.
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Why did they go there to start with?
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Over a stinkin' gun,
that he has a right to have.
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All over the country,
they were having protest rallies.
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{\an8}Like the Committee of 1776,
at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington.
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If you pass illegal and unjust gun laws
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that ban our right to keep
and bear arms, God help you!
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{\an8}- And you had people forming militias.
- [shotgun fires]
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[man] ATF are the criminals, not me.
I'm a law-abiding citizen.
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I didn't murder 80-some people at Waco.
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{\an8}[Bob] There were extreme right-wing groups
talking about reprisal,
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{\an8}that people have to fight back against
what the federal government has done.
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Before the bombing in Oklahoma City,
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I'd had a situation
with the attorney general
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when she visited out here.
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I said, "You may not understand it,
but Waco is still a big deal out here."
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And her response was, "I don't think
people care about Waco anymore."
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[unnerving music]
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In fact, we'd been commanded
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to stand down
and not talk about Waco anymore.
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[Lee] Seeing those images
the day of the bombing,
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immediately it hit me,
this has got to be about Waco.
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And it was just so jarring,
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I had to stop the car,
and I threw up in a ditch.
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My assistant says,
"Bob, today is April 19th."
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And, uh, that gave me...
kind of a rush of emotion came over me,
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and at that initial time,
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I believe more than likely
that this was related to Waco.
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{\an8}There are many people in this country,
numbering in the thousands,
436
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{\an8}who consider the terrorist...
437
00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:51,744
{\an8}I say the terrorist attack,
they regard it as such.
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{\an8}...the standoff in Waco
and the fire that resulted from it
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{\an8}as their shot heard around the world.
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{\an8}They consider themselves to be at war
with the government,
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{\an8}and they believe that was the first shot.
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{\an8}There was a very real fear
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that this was the opening salvo
of something much bigger.
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- [jarring music playing]
- [helicopter blades whirring]
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[man] That morning,
I turned on the television,
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and I saw the plume of smoke.
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{\an8}I was an FBI agent
assigned to the Oklahoma City Division.
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{\an8}The A.P. Murrah Federal Building
housed a number of different agencies.
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I knew everybody there.
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When I saw the building,
I hustled out in my car,
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popped the red light up,
turned on the siren,
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and raced downtown to Oklahoma City.
453
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And I was flying.
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There's red lights going everywhere,
black smoke coming from cars,
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and then I come around a corner,
and I see the federal building.
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- [sirens wailing]
- [eerie music playing]
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I could see it,
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00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:55,559
but my brain wasn't really accepting
what I was seeing.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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And I went inside to find anybody
that had survived the bombing
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00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:02,607
that was still in the building.
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00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:05,484
But it's not uncommon
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that a person who will set off
an explosive device
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will have a secondary device planted,
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and that secondary device is an attack
on the responders.
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So there were people already looking
for any kind of a secondary device.
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[fire alarm ringing]
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{\an8}[McPherson] We're looking for evidence.
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{\an8}We're looking for explosives
that got kicked out,
470
00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:30,886
anything that's going to hurt people.
471
00:24:31,511 --> 00:24:34,181
The building was nine floors tall,
472
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:38,392
where every floor was
concrete about yea thick,
473
00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:40,227
and it had rebar in the middle of it.
474
00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:41,395
[tense percussive music]
475
00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:45,150
And the floors pancaked
when they came down.
476
00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:50,279
The top floors hit the next floor
and the next floor, until they got down
477
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,991
to where they couldn't go nowhere else,
and that's what you've got to go through.
478
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:55,326
[alarm bell ringing]
479
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:58,371
The first thing we did
was looking for wounded,
480
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:00,873
and there was doctors came down,
481
00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:03,668
and they did amputations
right there, in the building.
482
00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:07,963
When a surgeon crawled into the hole
to do the amputation,
483
00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:12,176
he handed his wallet back and said,
"If this collapses, give that to my wife."
484
00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,136
[tense music continues]
485
00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:16,931
Inside the building,
it was very difficult to maneuver.
486
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,767
Nobody knew
if the building was gonna remain standing.
487
00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:21,727
- [siren wails]
- [metal clangs]
488
00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:25,440
[Mike] There was a nurse ran in
to see if she could help,
489
00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:29,485
and a piece of concrete
fell and hit her in the head,
490
00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:30,861
and it ended up killing her.
491
00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:32,614
[alarm bells ringing]
492
00:25:35,116 --> 00:25:36,660
[indistinct yelling]
493
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,665
[man] There's bodies here.
We have a man here...
494
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,292
[Amy] I heard men's voices.
495
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:48,170
I started screaming,
and he starts yelling,
496
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,590
"Got a live one. We need backup."
497
00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,300
And he said, "We can't see you."
498
00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:56,262
"We have to follow the sound
of your voice. Keep talking to us."
499
00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:58,138
- [drilling]
- [overlapping voices]
500
00:25:58,139 --> 00:25:59,432
[man] We have another one!
501
00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:00,934
That's good.
502
00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:03,687
Check the line to it.
503
00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:07,190
[drilling continues]
504
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:08,817
[faint male voice]
505
00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:12,737
[indistinct muffled voices]
506
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:16,949
I could hear they were getting closer,
and my right hand was sticking out
507
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:18,660
of the side of the rubble pile.
508
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:23,164
And I had a sensation
that someone had brushed my hand.
509
00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:26,250
And I said, "I think
you just touched my hand."
510
00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:28,460
He said,
"What color shirt do you have on?"
511
00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:31,965
I said, "I don't know."
And he said, "Think! What color shirt?"
512
00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,133
I said, "Green."
513
00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:38,263
And then as soon as I said green,
I felt a hand grab my hand.
514
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,600
I thought, "You know, this is it.
They're, one, two, three."
515
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,811
They're getting ready
to pull me up and out.
516
00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,231
- [intense music]
- [indistinct chatter on radio]
517
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,448
I'm walking around the building,
and then I looked up
518
00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,576
to the top of the debris pile,
519
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,495
and that's when I saw the LAWS rocket box.
520
00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,248
[intense music continues]
521
00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:08,959
The LAWS rocket is
a shoulder-fired rocket.
522
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,794
It shoots a big projectile.
523
00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:12,422
When it hits, it blows up.
524
00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:14,841
They take out tanks with them.
525
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,468
[Bob] And all of a sudden, I get notice
526
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,304
that another bomb's been found
inside the Murrah building.
527
00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:21,722
This building was right in it,
528
00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:23,015
and my mom's in there.
529
00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:24,016
[man 1] There's a bomb!
530
00:27:24,017 --> 00:27:25,435
[man 2] Bomb! Let's go.
531
00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,271
Everybody move back, there's a bomb!
532
00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:31,023
[woman 1] There's another bomb! Oh my God!
533
00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,193
- [indistinct chatter on radio]
- [woman 2] Stop.
534
00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:35,487
[man on radio]
535
00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:43,203
I heard a lot of commotion.
536
00:27:43,703 --> 00:27:45,704
The rubble started kind of shaking,
537
00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:49,541
and I could hear what sounded
like people running on top of me.
538
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,543
- [man 1] What's going on?
- [man 2] Another bomb.
539
00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,213
They're ordering everybody out,
including the command.
540
00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:57,174
Everybody is just pouring out
of the building on a dead run.
541
00:27:57,175 --> 00:27:59,969
- [indistinct voices]
- [faint sirens wailing]
542
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:05,350
I refused to leave.
543
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,478
I had a patrol point his gun at my leg,
"I'm gonna shoot you if you don't leave."
544
00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:10,813
"But I got these patients."
545
00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:15,151
And he was like, "I will effing shoot you
in the leg if you don't leave."
546
00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:17,152
So I left.
547
00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:19,947
{\an8}[anchor] Much concern down there
about a secondary explosion.
548
00:28:19,948 --> 00:28:22,282
{\an8}They are evacuating
downtown Oklahoma City.
549
00:28:22,283 --> 00:28:24,660
{\an8}Medical professionals
running from the scene also.
550
00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:28,498
[Amy] The men just started saying,
"There's another bomb."
551
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,127
I realized what was happening.
552
00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:37,799
And I just started telling them my name,
and to tell my family I love them.
553
00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:40,634
[water dripping softly]
554
00:28:40,635 --> 00:28:42,929
They were leaving me buried alive.
555
00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:47,683
[somber music]
556
00:28:47,684 --> 00:28:50,311
And I'd start thinking about my life, and...
557
00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:54,190
Relationships, and
558
00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:57,985
doing something with your life
to help others, and...
559
00:28:57,986 --> 00:28:59,946
I had never been a mom.
560
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:04,617
And all of a sudden,
561
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,036
it was just so clear.
562
00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:10,373
I didn't live a life true to myself.
563
00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:15,295
Now that I'm getting ready to die,
I'm thinking about it and realizing
564
00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:17,713
I don't want to live it this way.
565
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,175
I want to live it differently.
But it's too late now.
566
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,844
[somber music builds]
567
00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:28,432
[man] People, you need to go further back.
Get further back. Go further back.
568
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:31,435
- [woman] Move it, idiot!
- I need you to go further back.
569
00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:33,437
[intense percussive music]
570
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:36,733
So we walked up the ladders,
me and this trooper.
571
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:42,113
Now I've got to get it down
from the 8th floor of debris
572
00:29:42,697 --> 00:29:46,701
back down this ladder quick
because I don't want it going off.
573
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:55,584
I go over there, and on the business end
of this LAWS rocket,
574
00:29:55,585 --> 00:29:57,586
it indicated that it was live.
575
00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,671
So then we tied rope around it.
576
00:29:59,672 --> 00:30:01,673
We're carrying this box down.
577
00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,009
[intense music continues]
578
00:30:05,595 --> 00:30:07,012
[Mike] We did that.
579
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:08,472
{\an8}Put it in the truck.
580
00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:13,394
{\an8}They took it to the county's bomb range,
and they set it on fire.
581
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,273
[Bob] It was not a real device.
582
00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:23,071
It was a fake that was gonna be used
in a customs sting operation.
583
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:26,406
And that was extremely frustrating
584
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:29,661
because it caused interference
in the rescue effort.
585
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:33,122
And so then
I was able to let people go back in.
586
00:30:33,706 --> 00:30:36,583
{\an8}We also want to pass this along.
ATF agents have confirmed
587
00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:40,379
{\an8}that explosive device they found
and had people scattering for
588
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:43,465
{\an8}was a training device
found in the ATF office,
589
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:47,719
{\an8}which is one of their field offices
here in Oklahoma City in that building.
590
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,596
[reporter] There are still people inside.
591
00:30:49,597 --> 00:30:52,934
They're not sure at this point
whether some of them may be alive or not.
592
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,812
[Walt] I'm running down the street,
and I get down in this fire truck.
593
00:30:56,813 --> 00:31:00,649
I see Special Agent Matt Lotspeich,
and he clearly was upset.
594
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,276
I say, "Matt, what's going on?"
595
00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:04,570
He said, "I left somebody alive
in the building."
596
00:31:04,571 --> 00:31:07,614
We just sort of turned,
looked to the building,
597
00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:09,241
and then we both started back.
598
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:11,327
[intense music playing]
599
00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:16,915
[man] Where is she?
600
00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:19,251
[Walt] The dust was just thick,
601
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:22,005
and you could feel
the building still moving.
602
00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:24,299
And I'm thinking,
603
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:28,302
"I wish I could tell my kids
one more time that I love them."
604
00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:29,928
[music becomes poignant]
605
00:31:29,929 --> 00:31:31,347
Because at that point...
606
00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:34,893
[music darkens]
607
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,021
...I wasn't sure
that we were going to come out of there.
608
00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:40,648
[music intensifies]
609
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,192
[saw whirring]
610
00:31:44,110 --> 00:31:48,865
And then we got down
to where Amy was buried in this rubble.
611
00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:52,410
There was a slab of concrete
that was laying like this,
612
00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:55,330
and this was Amy right down here,
613
00:31:57,624 --> 00:31:58,833
buried in tons of rubble.
614
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:06,215
So I hear the men's voices,
and one of them grabs my hand.
615
00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:07,717
I got her.
616
00:32:09,135 --> 00:32:11,386
[Walt] She was able
to grab somebody's hand,
617
00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:12,930
and he was trying to work,
618
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:18,186
so he put her hand on Matt's boot,
and she was hanging on to Matt's boot.
619
00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:20,979
This time, I'm not letting go.
620
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:22,899
[intense percussive music]
621
00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:26,360
[Walt] Matt and the firemen started
handing me debris
622
00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:28,905
to hand up to the police officers
that were with us.
623
00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:31,740
Then we started seeing her.
624
00:32:31,741 --> 00:32:34,786
It's just like, "How in the world
could she even be alive?"
625
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:40,792
I was stuck,
and as they worked to uncover me,
626
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:43,962
they told me
I was actually still in my chair,
627
00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,382
upside down,
buried under about ten feet of rubble.
628
00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,968
[indistinct voice on radio]
629
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:52,886
Then all of a sudden, they said,
630
00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:55,097
"We'll count to three.
This is probably gonna hurt."
631
00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:56,724
[distant drilling]
632
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:04,648
And they counted to three and they pulled,
and I came out from under the rubble.
633
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,149
[music becomes somber]
634
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,484
Yeah, everything hurt.
635
00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,362
Every nerve came alive, but...
636
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:11,447
that didn't matter.
637
00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:15,827
They took me out of the back
of the federal building.
638
00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,288
I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
639
00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,542
I didn't know what my injuries were.
640
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:27,630
I didn't know about my friends,
but I'll never forget...
641
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:33,344
looking up at the sky
and taking those breaths of fresh air,
642
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:36,764
and promising God
I would never live my life the same.
643
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:38,891
[dramatic tone]
644
00:33:40,768 --> 00:33:43,270
[anchor] There's still a lot of fear
in downtown Oklahoma City,
645
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,023
as the authorities try
and figure out who did it
646
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,941
and what could be left of what they did.
647
00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:49,651
[tense music playing]
648
00:33:49,652 --> 00:33:53,071
Oftentimes, bombing cases
are extremely difficult
649
00:33:53,072 --> 00:33:54,948
because the evidence is destroyed.
650
00:33:54,949 --> 00:33:56,616
[faint siren wailing]
651
00:33:56,617 --> 00:34:01,246
We have to do a search
over roughly a ten-square-block area,
652
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:04,250
and gathering every piece
of evidence that we can.
653
00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:08,211
I was asked
who I would like to give assistance,
654
00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:12,299
{\an8}and I thought Danny Coulson
could be extremely helpful.
655
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,676
{\an8}He was head of the hostage rescue team.
656
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:18,431
{\an8}When I drove in, I went directly
to the command center to meet with Ricks.
657
00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:21,641
And he said, "Why don't you run
the evidence recovery,
658
00:34:21,642 --> 00:34:23,644
and I'll run the investigation?"
659
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:28,065
We sent in the evidence response team,
and started to search the site.
660
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:31,026
[Bob] We had in the hundreds of people
working the scene,
661
00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:34,530
so we systematically
could carry out the investigation.
662
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:38,700
{\an8}Law enforcement agencies believe
that it was a bomb, possibly a car bomb.
663
00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:39,910
{\an8}That hasn't been proven.
664
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:42,496
{\an8}Forensics haven't made
a determination yet.
665
00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:44,664
[Danny] We sifted through a lot of things.
666
00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:48,419
The key to it, though,
was the differential to the truck.
667
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,088
[Bob] The first key piece of evidence
668
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:54,466
{\an8}was found a block away
from the federal building,
669
00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:57,844
{\an8}in front of an apartment complex
called the Regency Towers.
670
00:34:57,845 --> 00:34:59,179
A gentleman was outside.
671
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,642
He heard this swirling noise,
almost like a helicopter,
672
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:07,062
and all of a sudden,
this rear axle flies into a car.
673
00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:11,441
The FBI came to me
because I'd worked auto theft 16 years.
674
00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:16,738
And when I saw that axle housing
so far from the borough building,
675
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:21,160
I knew it had to have come
from the truck that blew up the building.
676
00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:24,956
[Bob] The explosion was of such intensity
677
00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:27,499
that it caused the rear axle
from the truck
678
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,129
that was used to deliver the bomb
to blow out.
679
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,256
[Mike] All I could see
was the very last number,
680
00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:39,261
and I took a chem tool and a wire brush,
cleaned it down to the bare metal,
681
00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:41,556
and then got the number off the rear end.
682
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,849
And that was a huge break.
683
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,977
[Mike] And I called
the National Auto Theft Bureau,
684
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:51,941
and I told the lady, "I need you to build
this confidential number to a full VIN."
685
00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,945
She said,
"This is an active rental truck."
686
00:35:56,612 --> 00:36:00,323
[Bob] That truck had been rented
two days before
687
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:03,535
at Elliott's Body Shop,
in Junction City, Kansas.
688
00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:05,955
{\an8}- [dramatic sting]
- [atmospheric music]
689
00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:11,459
{\an8}[Scott] The day of the bombing, I was
in a one-person office in Salina, Kansas.
690
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,879
{\an8}I thought my involvement
was going to be watching it on TV,
691
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,214
{\an8}and be frustrated
that I couldn't do something about it.
692
00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:18,842
But in the afternoon,
about three o'clock, I got a call.
693
00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,970
They tell me the truck was rented out
in Junction City, Kansas.
694
00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,472
Get over there as fast as you can,
grab the documents,
695
00:36:24,473 --> 00:36:26,349
and get them back to the lab.
696
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:29,436
And when I was reviewing
the rental documents
697
00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:31,146
from Elliott's Body Shop,
698
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:33,857
I saw that the name
that was used by the renter
699
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:34,942
{\an8}was Robert Kling.
700
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,196
We started interviewing people
701
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:40,947
from Elliott's Body Shop.
702
00:36:40,948 --> 00:36:43,659
I realized we have an opportunity
to get some sketches,
703
00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,411
and the bureau called me and said
704
00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:48,455
that they've got
a sketch artist on a plane,
705
00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:50,875
and that they should be there by morning.
706
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:54,378
[man clears throat]
707
00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:59,674
President Clinton has declared this
a federal emergency.
708
00:36:59,675 --> 00:37:01,134
There was a big debate
709
00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:04,429
over whether to release
the Ryder truck information.
710
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:08,935
Ultimately, we decided
that would create thousands of leads,
711
00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,938
so we withheld that information.
712
00:37:12,521 --> 00:37:14,981
{\an8}We have at this time no assumptions
713
00:37:14,982 --> 00:37:19,362
{\an8}with regard to who caused
this particular bombing.
714
00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:25,284
{\an8}And we have had hundreds,
if not thousands, of leads
715
00:37:25,785 --> 00:37:29,788
{\an8}from individuals calling in
to reputed eyewitnesses.
716
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:32,541
{\an8}Each one of those
is treated very seriously.
717
00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:37,671
{\an8}But at this point, we cannot speculate
with regard to who is responsible.
718
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,965
{\an8}My intent was to give assurance
719
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,593
to the American public
that this was gonna be solved.
720
00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:49,015
[somber music playing]
721
00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:50,977
[Renee] I ended up going to the church.
722
00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:55,022
It was set up as the emergency site
for everybody to go wait.
723
00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:57,483
All the families were there.
724
00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:01,611
Everybody that had somebody
in the building.
725
00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:03,531
[somber music continues]
726
00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:09,245
I remember Tony coming in.
727
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:11,956
And...
728
00:38:13,082 --> 00:38:15,542
all I could... all I remember is his face.
729
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:17,877
And we couldn't even talk.
730
00:38:17,878 --> 00:38:19,379
We just held each other.
731
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,007
[somber music continues]
732
00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:24,259
[Robin] By the time nightfall came,
733
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:27,971
my job was to talk
to all these parents who were there,
734
00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,349
who didn't know
the fate of their loved one.
735
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,726
Now we need to check in with Robin Marsh.
736
00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,394
She's with some family members
737
00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:38,482
who are one of, some of many,
who are waiting for news. Robin?
738
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,443
{\an8}Yes. With us right now
are the Cooper family.
739
00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:43,778
{\an8}We've got a picture of little Antonio.
740
00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:45,448
{\an8}He is six months old.
741
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,368
This is the baby
we're all praying for right now.
742
00:38:50,536 --> 00:38:54,289
{\an8}What we've heard
is that, possibly, a child,
743
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:58,084
{\an8}a John Doe that has not been named,
could be the Cooper baby.
744
00:38:58,085 --> 00:39:01,212
{\an8}Mrs. Cooper, you work downtown.
Tell me about your morning.
745
00:39:01,213 --> 00:39:05,676
{\an8}Is that a routine to take baby Antonio
to the daycare center?
746
00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:09,846
{\an8}Yes, every day I drop him off, and...
747
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:13,558
{\an8}I go see him every day at lunch,
and today I didn't get to go.
748
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,477
{\an8}[somber music continues]
749
00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:18,064
And I remember that first night,
it got really cold.
750
00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,691
The temperatures dropped down. [sniffles]
751
00:39:22,735 --> 00:39:26,613
It started raining, and I'm just like,
"Lord, please don't let my baby
752
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:29,658
be in that building, cold and hungry, and...
753
00:39:31,118 --> 00:39:32,369
and hurt."
754
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,371
It was the worst night ever.
755
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,457
[wind billowing]
756
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:42,587
{\an8}The last thing anyone needed down here,
we're now getting, and that is rain.
757
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,840
{\an8}But you can see back behind me
sort of an eerie sight.
758
00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:47,717
Rescue efforts continue this evening,
759
00:39:47,718 --> 00:39:51,179
and while they are holding out hope
that they will find survivors,
760
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:55,600
{\an8}one lady who had spent all day
helping pull victims out of the rubble
761
00:39:55,601 --> 00:39:59,312
{\an8}said she fears that the death toll will be
in the hundreds.
762
00:39:59,313 --> 00:40:01,273
[somber music continues]
763
00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:04,484
[music fades]
764
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,612
[soft poignant music playing]
765
00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,784
There's a story with a happy ending
this morning in Oklahoma City.
766
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:15,453
The story of Amy Petty,
trapped for five hours
767
00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:18,873
in the rubble of the Murrah building
before finally being rescued.
768
00:40:18,874 --> 00:40:20,917
This morning,
she's at Presbyterian Hospital
769
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:22,252
in Oklahoma City.
770
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:23,504
How are you feeling?
771
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,756
{\an8}Sore, but very fortunate to be alive.
772
00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:29,260
{\an8}[anchor] What are doctors telling you
about your condition?
773
00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:34,557
Um, I'm just gonna be sore,
and I have a large cut on my leg.
774
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,183
But I'll be fine.
775
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:43,982
The phone was ringing nonstop,
776
00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:46,651
with family members of my coworkers
777
00:40:46,652 --> 00:40:48,987
calling to ask if I had seen...
778
00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:50,280
[inaudible]
779
00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:53,659
...that person at work that day.
Did I see what they had on?
780
00:40:56,036 --> 00:40:57,872
And I don't remember.
781
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,333
I hope that they find them.
782
00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:04,545
I hope they find them, and they're alive.
783
00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:07,089
- [music brightens]
- [grinding]
784
00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:20,269
[Jenifer] April 19th was a terrible day,
785
00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:25,483
{\an8}and April 20th
was the moment where people...
786
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:28,277
{\an8}came together.
787
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:34,074
People were bringing food.
People were bringing all kinds of things.
788
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:38,077
{\an8}[anchor] You can see it by the sign.
People are lining up to help.
789
00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:40,121
{\an8}[woman] Even though
we have our differences,
790
00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:43,417
{\an8}at least we can come together
as one to help someone.
791
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:50,715
[Jenifer] You began to see
that for this one act
792
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,801
of madness and terror,
793
00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:56,555
there were hundreds
and eventually thousands
794
00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:58,473
of acts of kindness.
795
00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:02,269
Of people reaching out
and trying to make it better.
796
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,231
[Danny] They set up a shopping center
inside our perimeter.
797
00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:08,191
If you didn't have boots,
they'd give you boots.
798
00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:11,319
If you wanted something to eat,
they had it. Would not take a nickel.
799
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,155
{\an8}The people of Oklahoma were unbelievable.
800
00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:16,283
I think it's what kept everybody going.
801
00:42:22,456 --> 00:42:24,832
{\an8}[intense pulsating music playing]
802
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:26,334
[Scott] The sketch artist arrived
803
00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:28,545
{\an8}and started working
with the three witnesses
804
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:29,921
{\an8}from Elliott's Body Shop.
805
00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,799
[intense music continues]
806
00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,512
He was surprised
because the first witness was describing
807
00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:40,056
a white male that looks
like he'd been in the military.
808
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:41,767
Not a Middle Eastern male.
809
00:42:43,352 --> 00:42:45,395
And it's seven o'clock.
810
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:46,854
We had two sketches.
811
00:42:46,855 --> 00:42:49,190
John Doe one, and the other, John Doe two.
812
00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:50,985
[music darkens]
813
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:57,907
And then I got teams of agents to go out
and do a canvas of the Junction City area,
814
00:42:57,908 --> 00:43:00,410
to see if there was any sightings
of these two people.
815
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:02,412
[man] Did you notice a Ryder truck,
or a large...
816
00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:03,746
[Bob] We set up roadblocks.
817
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:06,958
We interviewed everybody
that might have seen the Ryder truck
818
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,128
or seen anybody suspicious
operating in that area.
819
00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:11,839
[intense music continues]
820
00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:15,926
{\an8}[Marsha] That morning, I called
the court clerk's office.
821
00:43:17,386 --> 00:43:20,347
{\an8}I was trying to get Timothy McVeigh
in court that day.
822
00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:25,644
And they said, "We can't get him in today.
We're busy." So I said, "Okay."
823
00:43:27,187 --> 00:43:29,106
We kept Timothy McVeigh in another day.
824
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,651
How are you doing?
We're conducting an investigation
825
00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:35,612
on the Oklahoma City bombing.
826
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,365
{\an8}Agents took copies of the sketch
and went to restaurants,
827
00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:42,327
auto parts stores, or hotels.
828
00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:45,163
[Lee] FBI agents
literally went door to door,
829
00:43:45,164 --> 00:43:48,666
asking, "Have you seen this?
Do you know these guys?"
830
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,544
[Scott] They covered a lot of businesses
in four hours.
831
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,379
And then we got very lucky
832
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,466
when one team went
into the Dreamland Hotel,
833
00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:58,761
and spoke to the owner, Lea McGowan.
834
00:43:59,386 --> 00:44:02,889
When he asked her, "Have you had anybody
in here recently with a Ryder truck?"
835
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:05,058
She says, "As a matter of fact, I did."
836
00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:09,937
We show her the artist's conception
from Elliott's Body Shop,
837
00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,815
and she says,
"Yeah, that looks a lot like the person
838
00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:15,151
who was here that had the Ryder truck."
839
00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:18,072
It was the overall picture of Mr. McVeigh.
840
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:21,574
And they looked at me,
and, "McVeigh?" like I'm lying.
841
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:24,078
I'm not lying. He wrote down Mr. McVeigh.
842
00:44:24,703 --> 00:44:27,164
This is the first time
we heard the name Tim McVeigh.
843
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,918
{\an8}I asked, "Has anybody done
an NCIC offline search?"
844
00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:35,672
NCIC is the database
for every arrest made in the country.
845
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,590
[intense music continues]
846
00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:42,178
[Walt] In 1995, there were actual
computer tapes that would tell you
847
00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,681
if a person had been pulled over.
848
00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:48,018
It'll tell you where they got pulled over,
when they got pulled over.
849
00:44:48,852 --> 00:44:52,188
But if you want
something off that offline data,
850
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:56,485
you have to ask the computer
to find this name.
851
00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,614
Then you load a tape, it searches it.
852
00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:03,450
Unload it, load another one,
it searches it.
853
00:45:04,243 --> 00:45:05,702
Like it was in slow motion.
854
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,496
[whirring]
855
00:45:08,330 --> 00:45:10,833
[Bob] At the same time,
we check phone records.
856
00:45:11,834 --> 00:45:17,840
Any calls that have been made from room 25
at the Dreamland Motel, rented by McVeigh.
857
00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:23,928
On Saturday night,
he made a call to a local restaurant,
858
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:28,684
where an order had been placed
by a Robert Kling.
859
00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:33,814
We know that Robert Kling is the name
that was used to rent the Ryder truck.
860
00:45:34,314 --> 00:45:38,276
So now we know that either Timothy McVeigh
is Robert Kling
861
00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:41,113
or is associated with a Robert Kling.
862
00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:47,327
We have zeroed in on at least one
of the conspirators of this bombing.
863
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:49,037
[music stops]
864
00:45:57,004 --> 00:45:58,463
[indistinct voices]
865
00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,883
{\an8}Investigators have identified a vehicle
866
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:04,511
{\an8}that was used in connection
with yesterday's attack
867
00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:07,473
on the federal building
here in Oklahoma City.
868
00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:11,058
Further investigation has determined
869
00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:14,729
that two white males
were associated with this vehicle.
870
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:16,023
[journalists chattering]
871
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,651
Composite sketches of these two men
have been prepared.
872
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,862
Anyone with information
about these two men
873
00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:26,116
should provide it immediately
to the nearest FBI office.
874
00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:29,286
[Jenifer] It blew my mind
when we saw the sketches.
875
00:46:29,995 --> 00:46:31,788
{\an8}Looks like a couple of Bubbas!
876
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,540
{\an8}It looks like some guys wanted
for a beer truck robbery.
877
00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:36,375
{\an8}This does not look like the guys
878
00:46:36,376 --> 00:46:39,754
you think have masterminded
this incredible explosion.
879
00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:42,715
And I think we wanted to think
someone else did it to us.
880
00:46:42,716 --> 00:46:45,593
And again, Mitch and Jenifer,
what a change this is,
881
00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:47,136
from when all of the spin,
882
00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,223
and the sense of the thing
seemed to be Islamic fundamentalists,
883
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:54,602
and now, suddenly,
the focus of attention is back on Waco.
884
00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,146
[Jenifer] The focus
is back on domestic terrorism
885
00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:58,981
as opposed to international terrorism.
886
00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:02,318
And you realize... [huffs]
887
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,197
Wow. But that's us.
888
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:15,289
[anchor] Sadness is still great,
889
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:18,167
{\an8}and it is growing
by the hour here in Oklahoma City.
890
00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:21,337
{\an8}The anger is too. We hear it from people
who are calling our station.
891
00:47:21,338 --> 00:47:23,798
Let's look at the suspect
information we have,
892
00:47:23,799 --> 00:47:25,884
put out by the FBI yesterday afternoon.
893
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:29,637
[anchor 2] Firstly, the media unveiled
a white male, about 5'10".
894
00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:33,267
[McVeigh]
895
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,162
[metal clangs]
896
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:56,957
[whirring]
897
00:48:00,168 --> 00:48:02,170
[intense music plays]
898
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:05,965
[Walt] Get up the next morning,
come to the command post.
899
00:48:05,966 --> 00:48:09,136
Everybody's excited,
and I'm like, "What's going on?"
900
00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:12,013
[Bob] Walt Lamar comes into my office
901
00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:14,140
and says,
"Boss, you're not gonna believe it."
902
00:48:14,141 --> 00:48:17,727
"Timothy McVeigh
was arrested in Perry, Oklahoma,
903
00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:20,021
about an hour after the bombing."
904
00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,355
[intense music continues]
905
00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:24,817
[Charlie] Mid-morning, I receive
a telephone call from the FBI,
906
00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:27,738
and they want to know
if Tim McVeigh is still in jail.
907
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:29,614
And so I said,
908
00:48:29,615 --> 00:48:32,199
{\an8}"McVeigh has already been taken
to the courtroom,
909
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,454
{\an8}and is standing before the judge
as we speak."
910
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:39,833
He was 35, 45 minutes away
from walking out the door.
911
00:48:41,418 --> 00:48:42,835
[Bob] He is the linchpin
912
00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:45,671
that is gonna hold
this whole investigation together.
913
00:48:45,672 --> 00:48:48,090
I direct Danny to go up to Perry
914
00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:52,178
and to prepare for transportation
of McVeigh back to Oklahoma City.
915
00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:53,721
He said, "Danny, go get him."
916
00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:54,806
[music continues]
917
00:48:58,226 --> 00:48:59,894
[indistinct overlapping voices]
918
00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:02,021
[Robin] We start hearing
that there's an arrest,
919
00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:05,483
{\an8}and that someone is in Perry, Oklahoma,
at the Noble County Courthouse.
920
00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:07,152
[engine starts, revs]
921
00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,322
So I get in the car with the photographer
and we go to Perry.
922
00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:13,867
- [engine revving]
- [tires screeching]
923
00:49:15,243 --> 00:49:18,788
{\an8}We have a special report from CBS,
a possibility of one arrest.
924
00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:20,873
{\an8}Let's see if we can go to that right now.
925
00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:25,836
{\an8}We're told that a suspect, a person
is under arrest in Perry, Oklahoma,
926
00:49:25,837 --> 00:49:28,589
{\an8}that meets the description
of one of the suspects,
927
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:31,343
a composite picture of which
was released yesterday.
928
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,720
{\an8}And then, simultaneous to Perry,
929
00:49:34,721 --> 00:49:37,724
{\an8}we found out
about a raid in Decker, Michigan.
930
00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:41,477
Because on his jail booking card,
931
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:45,649
McVeigh used a Decker address
as his home address.
932
00:49:46,316 --> 00:49:48,442
[Bob] And at the Dreamland Motel,
933
00:49:48,443 --> 00:49:52,489
Timothy McVeigh used
the same address in Michigan.
934
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:57,160
So someone in that house
is directly connected to the bomb itself.
935
00:49:57,744 --> 00:50:00,663
[Lee] That very quickly got out
to national media.
936
00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:04,125
{\an8}[anchor] The authorities have located
a possible suspect in a house
937
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,126
{\an8}in a rural area
938
00:50:05,127 --> 00:50:10,256
{\an8}and is surrounded by federal authorities,
local authorities, state authorities.
939
00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,384
{\an8}[Lee] We've got televisions
all over the newsroom, and you look up,
940
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:17,263
{\an8}and there are live shots
of a farmhouse in Decker, Michigan,
941
00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:19,348
{\an8}where a raid is going down.
942
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:23,853
{\an8}[Bob] We learn that that farmhouse
is owned by a James Nichols,
943
00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:27,440
{\an8}and he has a brother named Terry Nichols,
that also lives there.
944
00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:29,942
{\an8}[anchor 1] This house
or the outbuilding behind it
945
00:50:29,943 --> 00:50:34,697
{\an8}may have either a Jerry Lynn Nichols,
a James Douglas Nichols, some brothers,
946
00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:37,491
{\an8}one, both of them,
or some family members of them.
947
00:50:37,492 --> 00:50:42,204
And they are two possible suspects
in this Oklahoma City bombing.
948
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,832
That's the connection here,
you see, to Decker, Michigan.
949
00:50:44,833 --> 00:50:46,959
And we've learned,
too, the name of the man
950
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,254
arrested in Perry, Oklahoma.
A Timothy McVeigh.
951
00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:53,841
That is the person that was arrested
today in Perry, Oklahoma.
952
00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:57,219
We surround the house,
and it gets all on national TV,
953
00:50:57,220 --> 00:51:00,556
{\an8}so it was extremely dangerous.
954
00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,350
{\an8}[anchor 2] They're going into the house.
Walking into the house.
955
00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:06,146
{\an8}You can probably see it
even better than I can.
956
00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:09,857
{\an8}Looks like they're going into the house.
957
00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:15,071
{\an8}The FBI went into the house in Decker,
and they didn't find anybody.
958
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:17,115
{\an8}[dark suspenseful music]
959
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:19,784
[music fades]
960
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:23,037
{\an8}[anchor 2] Right now we want to go live
to Perry, Oklahoma, with Robin Marsh.
961
00:51:23,038 --> 00:51:24,121
{\an8}Robin.
962
00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,791
{\an8}[Robin] In the meantime,
while we're there broadcasting live,
963
00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,543
more people come,
and I then look around me,
964
00:51:29,544 --> 00:51:31,420
and there's thousands of people there.
965
00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:34,131
And there are media
from all across the world
966
00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:35,883
in this small Oklahoma town.
967
00:51:35,884 --> 00:51:39,804
{\an8}And you're watching
some plainclothes officials coming in
968
00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:41,388
{\an8}to the Noble County Jail.
969
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:43,974
{\an8}They were just driven up
by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.
970
00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:46,227
{\an8}McVeigh was very close to getting out.
971
00:51:46,228 --> 00:51:47,812
{\an8}He was gonna get out of there.
972
00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:50,564
{\an8}But we were lucky to get there
before he was released.
973
00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,943
{\an8}If we had not found
Timothy McVeigh when we did,
974
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:57,488
it would've been
an excruciating period of time
975
00:51:57,489 --> 00:51:58,948
for everybody involved.
976
00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:00,116
[intense music playing]
977
00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:02,618
{\an8}[Danny] I remember walking up the stairs,
978
00:52:02,619 --> 00:52:04,995
{\an8}and there was a gentleman there,
with a cowboy hat.
979
00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:07,289
{\an8}He walked up and said,
"You boys from the FBI?"
980
00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:08,457
I said, "Yes, sir."
981
00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:10,668
He said, "If you have trouble
with the evidence,
982
00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:13,255
{\an8}put that boy out the back gate,
we'll have him."
983
00:52:13,755 --> 00:52:16,675
{\an8}Tensions were high.
This crowd wanted to see him.
984
00:52:17,342 --> 00:52:20,178
They should let him loose out front,
let everybody have at him.
985
00:52:20,762 --> 00:52:23,055
{\an8}[man] If they're guilty,
kill the son of a bitches.
986
00:52:23,056 --> 00:52:24,724
- [woman] Go tell the camera.
- Kill him.
987
00:52:25,433 --> 00:52:27,853
- Kill him.
- [boy] I think they should kill him too.
988
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,940
[Robin] I look up, there's a SWAT team
on the top of the Noble County Courthouse.
989
00:52:32,941 --> 00:52:36,319
I just kept thinking,
"They got to get this guy out."
990
00:52:37,112 --> 00:52:41,323
I was really concerned about a bad guy
trying to take him or kill him.
991
00:52:41,324 --> 00:52:43,784
I mean, if he's part of an organization,
992
00:52:43,785 --> 00:52:46,620
if I was running it,
the first thing I'd kill would be him.
993
00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:48,581
I don't want him spilling the beans.
994
00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:50,207
[crowd chatters indistinctly]
995
00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:54,295
We just waited and waited.
The anticipation was getting very high.
996
00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:55,672
[music intensifies]
997
00:52:56,464 --> 00:52:59,259
The first time I saw McVeigh,
he looked like the composite.
998
00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:01,636
[McVeigh]
999
00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:10,311
It's my duty to protect McVeigh.
1000
00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:13,480
I don't want to protect him,
but it's my job.
1001
00:53:13,481 --> 00:53:16,902
[McVeigh]
1002
00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:29,163
[music fades]
1003
00:53:29,164 --> 00:53:30,789
- [chatter]
- [distant barking]
1004
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:31,708
Thank you.
1005
00:53:47,682 --> 00:53:49,434
[crowd members wailing]
1006
00:53:51,019 --> 00:53:53,063
[crowd booing, yelling]
1007
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,984
[McVeigh]
1008
00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:13,374
[Robin] Mr. McVeigh just sped away,
1009
00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:16,962
here from the Noble County Courthouse,
in small Perry, Oklahoma.
1010
00:54:17,462 --> 00:54:20,839
He was brought here on a traffic charge
and a weapons charge,
1011
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,426
but the DA and the judge here
did not realize who this man was.
1012
00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:28,013
{\an8}Due to other matters the judge and I had,
we had to wait until this morning.
1013
00:54:28,014 --> 00:54:31,850
{\an8}We've said all day long, in most cases,
this guy would've bonded out yesterday.
1014
00:54:31,851 --> 00:54:35,437
{\an8}- [man] How do you feel about that now?
- Uh, God was watching us.
1015
00:54:35,438 --> 00:54:37,690
{\an8}- [dramatic tone]
- [intense music plays]
1016
00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:41,151
{\an8}At the same time,
the FBI did start collecting evidence.
1017
00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,363
{\an8}It was at the home
of James Nichols and his brother, Terry.
1018
00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:46,907
{\an8}The Nichols brothers
are very anti-government.
1019
00:54:46,908 --> 00:54:49,660
{\an8}They don't believe
in our government system, our banks.
1020
00:54:49,661 --> 00:54:52,330
{\an8}They're full of this government hatred.
1021
00:54:52,914 --> 00:54:55,165
[Bob] We learn a lot about Terry Nichols,
1022
00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:59,211
who is one of Timothy McVeigh's
closest associates.
1023
00:54:59,212 --> 00:55:01,297
[Lee] The FBI found out really quickly
1024
00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:04,550
that this guy named Tim McVeigh
had lived up there for a time,
1025
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:07,136
and had been an army buddy
with Terry Nichols.
1026
00:55:07,137 --> 00:55:08,721
{\an8}- [dramatic sting]
- [music continues]
1027
00:55:08,722 --> 00:55:10,347
{\an8}[Scott] And we found a company photo
1028
00:55:10,348 --> 00:55:14,269
{\an8}that had both Terry Nichols
and Tim McVeigh in that photograph.
1029
00:55:14,894 --> 00:55:17,646
At that point,
I set every bit of my attention
1030
00:55:17,647 --> 00:55:20,483
on trying to figure out
where Terry Nichols might be.
1031
00:55:21,192 --> 00:55:26,156
We learned about a former wife
of Terry Nichols named Lana Padilla.
1032
00:55:27,073 --> 00:55:30,744
Lana Padilla told us that Terry was living
in Herington, Kansas, now.
1033
00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:33,787
Herington's only a short drive
down the road
1034
00:55:33,788 --> 00:55:36,832
from where the Ryder truck was rented
in Junction City, Kansas,
1035
00:55:36,833 --> 00:55:39,044
so we're really interested
in Terry Nichols now.
1036
00:55:40,086 --> 00:55:42,212
So we set up on Terry Nichols' house
1037
00:55:42,213 --> 00:55:44,007
with the instructions of,
1038
00:55:44,591 --> 00:55:48,303
"Try not to get noticed,
but don't let him get away."
1039
00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:51,638
[Scott] The agents sat there a while,
1040
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:55,684
until they saw Terry Nichols
and his wife and child come out,
1041
00:55:55,685 --> 00:55:58,146
and get in the truck
and start to drive off.
1042
00:55:58,646 --> 00:55:59,898
As the agents follow,
1043
00:56:00,398 --> 00:56:04,234
Terry Nichols turned around
and passed the street that he lived on,
1044
00:56:04,235 --> 00:56:07,864
and headed down toward
the Herington Department of Public Safety.
1045
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:11,283
[Bob] It looks like
he makes the surveillance,
1046
00:56:11,284 --> 00:56:13,619
and he goes into
the local police department
1047
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,079
and turns himself in.
1048
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,625
{\an8}He has been tentatively identified
as Terry Nichols of Michigan.
1049
00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:23,003
{\an8}He surrendered to local police,
we are told, in Herington, Kansas.
1050
00:56:23,004 --> 00:56:24,839
[sirens wailing]
1051
00:56:39,604 --> 00:56:41,897
[Danny] McVeigh was with me
in the backseat.
1052
00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:43,857
He starts to get up and I sat him down,
1053
00:56:43,858 --> 00:56:47,487
and I said, "You will behave on this trip,
or I'll hurt you."
1054
00:56:48,238 --> 00:56:51,074
"Be a gentleman, and we'll be
a gentleman." He said, "Yes, sir."
1055
00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:55,994
So I handcuffed him to the floor
in the center of the helicopter
1056
00:56:55,995 --> 00:56:59,081
because I didn't want him
bailing out and killing himself.
1057
00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:02,043
We want this guy alive.
We don't want him dead.
1058
00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:05,088
But we don't know exactly
what we have here.
1059
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,798
This is one guy. This is a guy.
1060
00:57:07,799 --> 00:57:11,468
Is he part of a bigger conspiracy,
and there's people trying to kill him?
1061
00:57:11,469 --> 00:57:15,556
We didn't know.
So I got on the intercom with the pilot.
1062
00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:16,849
[rotor blades chopping]
1063
00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:20,394
I said, "Put this thing on the deck.
I don't want a LAW rocket up my ass."
1064
00:57:20,395 --> 00:57:21,354
And he went...
1065
00:57:22,188 --> 00:57:26,734
We literally jumped over fences.
We were that low on the deck.
1066
00:57:27,235 --> 00:57:29,194
And McVeigh never blinked.
1067
00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:30,321
He sat just like...
1068
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,158
Didn't look left. Didn't look right.
1069
00:57:33,658 --> 00:57:35,576
Stone cold.
1070
00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:37,454
[intense pulsating music playing]
1071
00:57:44,377 --> 00:57:47,213
Bob Ricks arranged for us
to take him to Tinker Air Force Base.
1072
00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:50,508
Plus, he sent an FBI SWAT team
for security.
1073
00:57:58,975 --> 00:58:00,058
[music fades]
1074
00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:03,813
Tonight, the arrest of one American,
another American being questioned.
1075
00:58:06,149 --> 00:58:08,192
[Danny] In the police department
there in Herington,
1076
00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:11,236
{\an8}they interview Terry Nichols
for ten hours.
1077
00:58:11,237 --> 00:58:12,779
{\an8}[suspenseful music playing]
1078
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:14,365
[Scott] We start talking to him.
1079
00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:17,577
He did not seem flustered.
He did not seem nervous.
1080
00:58:19,996 --> 00:58:22,164
He was cold and calm.
1081
00:58:22,165 --> 00:58:23,290
[music builds]
1082
00:58:23,291 --> 00:58:26,627
We kept going back over
them going to gun shows,
1083
00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:28,962
and them talking about building bombs.
1084
00:58:28,963 --> 00:58:31,215
It was the longest interview
I'd ever done.
1085
00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:33,927
We were able to hit him
with some pretty hard stuff.
1086
00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:39,015
I said, "Do you think there's any chance
that McVeigh could've done this?"
1087
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,227
And his response was,
1088
00:58:42,727 --> 00:58:44,979
"He could've done it
without me knowing about it."
1089
00:58:45,563 --> 00:58:47,356
But then, Terry made the statement,
1090
00:58:47,357 --> 00:58:51,110
"I know as much as Tim McVeigh does
about how to make bombs."
1091
00:58:52,403 --> 00:58:55,989
We never did get him to say
"I did it" or "We did it,"
1092
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:59,160
but when I heard those two things,
as far as I'm concerned,
1093
00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:01,245
that's what I needed.
1094
00:59:01,246 --> 00:59:03,039
[suspenseful music intensifies]
1095
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,457
Now there is no doubt
1096
00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:09,879
that if we put this guy before a jury,
they would find him guilty.
1097
00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:13,632
[crowd yelling indistinctly]
1098
00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:14,926
[music fades out]
1099
00:59:19,264 --> 00:59:22,140
First, we'll take a look
at the news headlines this morning.
1100
00:59:22,141 --> 00:59:25,852
Federal agents are moving forward
in their investigation of the bombing.
1101
00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:27,688
Some would say with amazing speed.
1102
00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:30,399
{\an8}One man has now been charged,
others are being questioned.
1103
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,651
{\an8}There is a hint of more arrests to come.
1104
00:59:32,652 --> 00:59:34,278
[moody tense music plays]
1105
00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:39,576
While Terry has turned himself in,
the FBI agents are searching his home.
1106
00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:42,619
The question became, is he the only one?
1107
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:46,790
Is he a part of a group?
And is this going to happen again?
1108
00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:48,418
[tense music continues]
1109
00:59:50,253 --> 00:59:52,379
They didn't know
if there might be tripwires
1110
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:54,590
or anything
that might set off an explosion.
1111
00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:57,718
[indistinct male voice on radio]
1112
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,804
[indistinct radio message continues]
1113
01:00:01,472 --> 01:00:04,558
So the search warrant teams were using
an abundance of caution
1114
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,977
before they finally started
executing the search.
1115
01:00:06,978 --> 01:00:10,063
- [man on radio] Come over here.
- [crackling]
1116
01:00:10,064 --> 01:00:12,066
[indistinct chatter on radio]
1117
01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:17,196
We find a trove of evidence
inside that house.
1118
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:20,490
We found five rolls of primer det,
blasting caps.
1119
01:00:20,491 --> 01:00:22,409
{\an8}We found a calling card,
1120
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,455
and a receipt for 2,000 pounds
of ammonium nitrate.
1121
01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:30,125
After the bombing, Nichols was trying
to get rid of this stuff.
1122
01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:34,129
And he was throwing so much
ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his yard,
1123
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:36,256
the neighbors said
it looked like it was snowing.
1124
01:00:36,257 --> 01:00:40,093
[Jon] Now we're starting to put together
a good case against Terry Nichols
1125
01:00:40,094 --> 01:00:41,262
as well as Tim McVeigh.
1126
01:00:41,763 --> 01:00:44,848
But we knew, in a case like this,
we needed an insider.
1127
01:00:44,849 --> 01:00:46,559
[music becomes ominous]
1128
01:00:49,228 --> 01:00:50,062
[music fading]
1129
01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:53,357
I call the division in Buffalo,
that's where McVeigh was from,
1130
01:00:53,358 --> 01:00:55,360
and I had them get his father.
1131
01:00:56,778 --> 01:00:59,738
{\an8}And I'm feeling a lot of sympathy for him.
1132
01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:01,407
{\an8}I mean, if this had been my son,
1133
01:01:01,908 --> 01:01:04,410
I couldn't have stood that.
That would've been horrible.
1134
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:10,040
So I ask him, I said,
"Who would your son do this with?"
1135
01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:11,208
[dark music playing]
1136
01:01:11,209 --> 01:01:13,920
He said, "Terry Nichols
and Michael Fortier."
1137
01:01:15,171 --> 01:01:16,004
Bingo.
1138
01:01:16,005 --> 01:01:17,297
{\an8}[dramatic tone]
1139
01:01:17,298 --> 01:01:19,299
[Bob] Michael Fortier, Terry Nichols,
1140
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,594
and Tim McVeigh served in the military
at the same time,
1141
01:01:22,595 --> 01:01:25,180
and they were like three peas in a pod.
1142
01:01:25,181 --> 01:01:29,602
They were very close to each other,
shared anti-government beliefs.
1143
01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:32,521
And he's now living in Arizona.
1144
01:01:32,522 --> 01:01:35,607
[Danny] Bob Ricks, he said,
"We need to approach Michael Fortier."
1145
01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:36,650
"I want you to do it."
1146
01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,570
{\an8}- [intense music pulsating]
- [airplane engine roars]
1147
01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:47,912
{\an8}We arranged with the sheriff
to have him brought in to talk to me.
1148
01:01:49,455 --> 01:01:51,207
And he looked like a rat.
1149
01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:56,420
We said, "We want to talk to you
about the bombing in Oklahoma."
1150
01:01:56,421 --> 01:01:57,671
And he got indignant.
1151
01:01:57,672 --> 01:02:01,842
I do not believe
that Tim blew up any building in Oklahoma.
1152
01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:04,761
[anchor] McVeigh lived in Kingman
off and on the past year.
1153
01:02:04,762 --> 01:02:06,805
Fortier helped him find a job.
1154
01:02:06,806 --> 01:02:08,056
I don't want to talk.
1155
01:02:08,057 --> 01:02:11,268
[anchor 2] Kingman resident Mike Fortier,
army buddy of McVeigh,
1156
01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:14,146
some sources say,
potentially a major witness in the case,
1157
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:16,314
{\an8}his trailer raided by the FBI.
1158
01:02:16,315 --> 01:02:18,692
His life in recent weeks
turned upside down
1159
01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:20,695
by federal agents and the media.
1160
01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:24,072
The problem was
that we didn't have enough information
1161
01:02:24,073 --> 01:02:25,700
to charge Michael Fortier.
1162
01:02:28,911 --> 01:02:30,413
[music becomes sinister]
1163
01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:35,417
The most important thing
that we found at Terry Nichols' house
1164
01:02:35,418 --> 01:02:38,880
that really tied Michael Fortier
to the bombing was the calling card.
1165
01:02:39,464 --> 01:02:42,883
You have to go back in time
because we all didn't have cell phones,
1166
01:02:42,884 --> 01:02:45,886
but you could get a calling card
that was prepaid,
1167
01:02:45,887 --> 01:02:48,639
and every so often,
you'd have to replenish those funds.
1168
01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:50,432
They got that calling card
1169
01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,809
'cause they thought
that'd hide their identity.
1170
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:55,271
We used that calling card as a roadmap.
1171
01:02:56,147 --> 01:02:59,357
[Lee] This calling card was the key piece
1172
01:02:59,358 --> 01:03:03,779
that allowed the FBI
to map the entire spider web.
1173
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:07,324
But it led them to places that they
wouldn't have known about otherwise.
1174
01:03:07,325 --> 01:03:09,659
[dialing on phone]
1175
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,163
[Bob] And now we can go back
to trace where they were
1176
01:03:13,164 --> 01:03:15,373
whenever they'd travel around the country,
1177
01:03:15,374 --> 01:03:17,876
when they were purchasing
components for the bombing.
1178
01:03:17,877 --> 01:03:20,378
- [dramatic rumbling sting]
- [music continues]
1179
01:03:20,379 --> 01:03:22,506
The other thing this calling card told us
1180
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:25,926
was that instead of this big,
broad conspiracy
1181
01:03:25,927 --> 01:03:27,762
that we suspected initially,
1182
01:03:28,554 --> 01:03:31,432
it was limited
to just a small group of people.
1183
01:03:32,391 --> 01:03:36,521
But we needed to gather evidence
that's sufficient for a prosecution.
1184
01:03:37,021 --> 01:03:40,148
[Jon] You have an insider telling
what happened. It goes a long ways,
1185
01:03:40,149 --> 01:03:43,945
especially if you corroborate
everything they're telling you.
1186
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:48,031
We had a lot of arguments about that,
but we all came to the conclusion.
1187
01:03:48,032 --> 01:03:50,618
Sometimes you have to make a deal
with the devil.
1188
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,788
I remember he said,
"You don't understand. We're at war."
1189
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:56,832
I said, "No, we're not.
I'd have killed you already."
1190
01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:00,001
He said, "It's about the Constitution."
I said, "It is."
1191
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:02,420
"We're gonna arrest you
under the Constitution."
1192
01:04:02,421 --> 01:04:04,881
"I'm gonna convict you
under the Constitution."
1193
01:04:04,882 --> 01:04:05,799
"And one day,
1194
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,219
we're gonna strap you to a gurney,
stick a needle in your arm,
1195
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:12,306
and we're going to execute you
under the Constitution."
1196
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,727
And while we all can't stomach
the deal with Michael Fortier,
1197
01:04:17,436 --> 01:04:18,937
we knew it needed to be made.
1198
01:04:18,938 --> 01:04:20,939
He gave us a lot of information.
1199
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:23,817
That may've been
the biggest break in the whole case.
1200
01:04:23,818 --> 01:04:26,904
He talked about meeting
with McVeigh in his kitchen,
1201
01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:31,116
and how McVeigh talked about
how he was going to construct the bomb.
1202
01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:32,784
And he used soup cans
1203
01:04:32,785 --> 01:04:36,664
to show how McVeigh was gonna try
to make a shaped charge.
1204
01:04:37,164 --> 01:04:41,293
After Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh
had acquired the bomb components,
1205
01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:44,547
they showed Michael Fortier
the bomb components.
1206
01:04:45,464 --> 01:04:46,548
[music continues]
1207
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:50,260
[Bob] Tim McVeigh convinces him
to take a trip to Oklahoma City,
1208
01:04:50,261 --> 01:04:53,388
and he shows him
where the bombing is going to take place.
1209
01:04:53,389 --> 01:04:57,268
After that occurred, I think
Michael Fortier realized, this is real.
1210
01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:01,021
[Jon] He absolutely knew
what Tim McVeigh was going to do.
1211
01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:04,775
He could've stopped all of this
with an anonymous phone call.
1212
01:05:05,443 --> 01:05:07,736
[anchor] Charged with having
prior knowledge of the bombing,
1213
01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:10,655
he will testify
against McVeigh and Nichols
1214
01:05:10,656 --> 01:05:12,657
in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.
1215
01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:14,869
- [dramatic tone]
- [somber music plays]
1216
01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:27,130
[Jon] It was tough for all of us,
and we realized that there's a possibility
1217
01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:29,341
{\an8}of three infants
still being in that building.
1218
01:05:29,342 --> 01:05:33,595
{\an8}We're zeroing in on now an area possibly
where those infants will be found.
1219
01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:35,389
[somber music continues]
1220
01:05:42,146 --> 01:05:43,772
[Renee] I remember the day they announced
1221
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:47,777
that they were able to get to the area
where the babies' bodies were.
1222
01:05:48,569 --> 01:05:53,157
We were so overjoyed
that they were just able to find him.
1223
01:05:53,866 --> 01:05:56,034
Not that he was alive, but they found him.
1224
01:05:56,035 --> 01:05:58,536
That was what it turned into,
1225
01:05:58,537 --> 01:06:01,666
you know, just,
"Please just let him all be there."
1226
01:06:03,042 --> 01:06:04,126
[inhales sharply]
1227
01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,801
After that, at night,
1228
01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:16,180
I would drive down
to the prison where he was.
1229
01:06:17,056 --> 01:06:18,933
Just sit out there.
1230
01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:29,694
Just sit out there in the dark,
1231
01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:34,240
wondering how I could get in
so I could hurt him.
1232
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:37,410
[somber music continues]
1233
01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:43,665
The arrest of Tim McVeigh was the result
of an extraordinary combination
1234
01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:46,793
of skill, luck, and timing
on the part of the very government
1235
01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:49,129
he allegedly detests for incompetence.
1236
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:50,755
There are so many questions.
1237
01:06:50,756 --> 01:06:53,675
One of the most puzzling,
if he is guilty as charged,
1238
01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:55,636
what led him to do this?
1239
01:06:56,137 --> 01:07:01,725
{\an8}Everybody wanted to find out who he was,
and why he did what he did.
1240
01:07:01,726 --> 01:07:06,688
{\an8}And there was a reporter from Buffalo
named Lou Michel who got the scoop
1241
01:07:06,689 --> 01:07:10,443
{\an8}that everybody in the world was after
as they were covering the bombing.
1242
01:07:11,652 --> 01:07:13,654
- [buzzer]
- [metal clanging]
1243
01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:15,865
[man] While he was in prison,
1244
01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:22,079
{\an8}Dan Herbeck and I recorded
about 60 hours of conversations with him.
1245
01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:24,373
And for the most part,
1246
01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:29,420
the depth of these conversations
has never been heard by anyone before.
1247
01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:34,424
There was word that he was
an army veteran from the first Gulf War,
1248
01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:38,428
that he liked guns,
but he was really a mystery to everybody.
1249
01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:41,724
- [ominous music playing]
- So we started with his childhood.
1250
01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:46,312
[McVeigh]
1251
01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:50,441
The bully theme runs so deep in his DNA
1252
01:07:51,275 --> 01:07:55,738
because he was this skinny little kid
who got picked on.
1253
01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:58,074
[McVeigh]
1254
01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:13,756
We can't find that he ever had
a meaningful relationship with a woman.
1255
01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:17,593
He almost fit the description
of a school shooter.
1256
01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:20,428
[Lou] He had comic book collections,
1257
01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:22,889
and he wound up selling
that comic book collection
1258
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:28,229
so that he could buy guns,
because guns made him feel secure.
1259
01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:32,607
[Lee] From a really young age,
he was fascinated with guns.
1260
01:08:32,608 --> 01:08:36,861
There's a photograph of McVeigh
hanging from a tree
1261
01:08:36,862 --> 01:08:39,281
with a shoulder holster
with a pistol in it.
1262
01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:45,412
That fits into this macho type
of military guy that he's trying to be.
1263
01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:48,414
[George Bush Sr.] As commander in chief,
1264
01:08:48,415 --> 01:08:52,168
I can report to you,
aggression is defeated.
1265
01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:54,255
- The war is over.
- [applause]
1266
01:08:55,464 --> 01:08:57,715
He came home from the first Gulf War.
1267
01:08:57,716 --> 01:08:59,300
He had a Bronze Star.
1268
01:08:59,301 --> 01:09:01,720
He'd killed a couple of Iraqis.
1269
01:09:02,471 --> 01:09:06,015
But even in the army, he was an outsider.
1270
01:09:06,016 --> 01:09:08,978
[McVeigh]
1271
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:19,864
After the first Gulf War,
he was a lost soul.
1272
01:09:20,614 --> 01:09:22,073
Wandering around the country,
1273
01:09:22,074 --> 01:09:25,618
bouncing from Decker, Michigan,
with the Nichols brothers,
1274
01:09:25,619 --> 01:09:28,873
over to Kingman, Arizona,
to Michael Fortier.
1275
01:09:29,373 --> 01:09:31,041
[McVeigh]
1276
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:42,552
As McVeigh was roaming the country,
going from gun show to gun show,
1277
01:09:42,553 --> 01:09:47,849
he was listening constantly
to these right-wing radio hosts,
1278
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:52,771
that were peddling conspiracy theories
and spewing this anti-government rhetoric.
1279
01:09:53,272 --> 01:09:56,733
[Lou] "We hate the government.
They're gonna take our guns away."
1280
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:58,903
And McVeigh was in that fringe.
1281
01:09:59,653 --> 01:10:01,447
Dead. Right in the heart.
1282
01:10:02,364 --> 01:10:04,365
They're taking away our rights.
1283
01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:05,325
[man] What rights?
1284
01:10:05,326 --> 01:10:06,744
Our rights for guns.
1285
01:10:07,369 --> 01:10:11,664
[Lee] His anger toward the government
was just building and building.
1286
01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:15,251
So he turned to the book
that he idolized, The Turner Diaries.
1287
01:10:15,252 --> 01:10:17,253
[mysterious music playing]
1288
01:10:17,254 --> 01:10:18,838
[Lee] The Turner Diaries is a book
1289
01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:21,174
that was written
by a man named William Pierce,
1290
01:10:21,175 --> 01:10:23,344
who was a longtime neo-Nazi.
1291
01:10:25,054 --> 01:10:29,015
It told the story
of a white supremacist revolutionary
1292
01:10:29,016 --> 01:10:33,812
that led an insurrection
against the federal government.
1293
01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:40,443
And it's regarded as a bible
for right-wing extremists.
1294
01:10:40,444 --> 01:10:43,739
[McVeigh]
1295
01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:55,125
{\an8}Probably the most important idea
expressed in The Turner Diaries
1296
01:10:55,626 --> 01:11:01,214
{\an8}is that each person has to stop being
a spectator and start being a participant.
1297
01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:02,382
[Lee] In The Turner Diaries,
1298
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:06,010
you have an illustration
of the main character
1299
01:11:06,011 --> 01:11:09,472
blowing up the FBI headquarters
with a truck bomb.
1300
01:11:09,473 --> 01:11:13,768
The truck is loaded with the same kind
of ammonium nitrate explosives
1301
01:11:13,769 --> 01:11:15,645
that McVeigh used in his bombing.
1302
01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:19,691
{\an8}Then, Waco happens in '93.
1303
01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:21,402
{\an8}Just arrived today.
1304
01:11:23,237 --> 01:11:25,530
Somebody told me
a lot of people would be scared
1305
01:11:25,531 --> 01:11:27,408
to put something on like this.
1306
01:11:28,575 --> 01:11:29,742
[loud boom]
1307
01:11:29,743 --> 01:11:33,663
[anchor] As many as 86 people are thought
to have died in yesterday's inferno,
1308
01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:35,581
including some 17 children.
1309
01:11:35,582 --> 01:11:37,500
[anchor 2] There remain serious questions
1310
01:11:37,501 --> 01:11:40,253
of why the FBI
chose to go in in such force.
1311
01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:41,713
[reporter] It's hard to remember
1312
01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:43,965
that all of this started
with a search warrant
1313
01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:46,676
and a cache of allegedly illegal weapons.
1314
01:11:46,677 --> 01:11:50,471
[Lee] And for somebody like McVeigh,
this was absolute evidence
1315
01:11:50,472 --> 01:11:54,392
that the feds were after people like him.
1316
01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:58,521
And now he has his sense of purpose.
1317
01:11:58,522 --> 01:12:01,108
[McVeigh]
1318
01:12:13,412 --> 01:12:15,872
He thought that he could be the hero,
1319
01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:19,042
to alert everybody in America
that it was time
1320
01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:21,669
to take on the government
before they came for your guns.
1321
01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:25,924
The bombing, he had hoped
that that would spark a revolution.
1322
01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:29,595
[McVeigh speaking]
1323
01:12:36,018 --> 01:12:37,186
[music becomes eerie]
1324
01:12:39,688 --> 01:12:41,231
[eerie music continues]
1325
01:12:42,608 --> 01:12:45,276
[anchor] The grand jury
delivered its indictment at a courthouse
1326
01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:48,488
across the street from the site
of the worst terrorist attack
1327
01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:50,198
ever in the United States.
1328
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:51,324
The indictment alleges
1329
01:12:51,325 --> 01:12:54,535
that Timothy McVeigh
and Terry Nichols alone
1330
01:12:54,536 --> 01:12:56,496
planned and executed the bombing.
1331
01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:58,998
Also indicted today, Michael Fortier.
1332
01:12:58,999 --> 01:13:01,459
Charged with having
prior knowledge of the bombing,
1333
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:04,462
he will testify
against McVeigh and Nichols
1334
01:13:04,463 --> 01:13:06,714
in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.
1335
01:13:06,715 --> 01:13:09,592
[Jon] With what he told us,
by the time we got in the courtroom,
1336
01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:11,469
the case was really overwhelming.
1337
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:13,514
[moody tense music plays]
1338
01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:16,891
Today, the government's star witness
against Timothy McVeigh
1339
01:13:16,892 --> 01:13:19,268
takes the stand
at the Oklahoma City bombing trial.
1340
01:13:19,269 --> 01:13:21,437
Michael Fortier is expected
to tell the jury
1341
01:13:21,438 --> 01:13:25,066
that McVeigh told him in detail
how he was going to build a bomb
1342
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:27,402
and blow up the federal building
in Oklahoma City.
1343
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,279
I really struggled with the trial.
1344
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,698
I didn't want any part of the trial.
1345
01:13:32,699 --> 01:13:34,575
{\an8}I did not want to go to it.
1346
01:13:34,576 --> 01:13:37,286
{\an8}I just almost tried to pretend
it wasn't happening.
1347
01:13:37,287 --> 01:13:40,873
{\an8}[anchor] In just 11 days of testimony,
the prosecution has presented
1348
01:13:40,874 --> 01:13:42,750
{\an8}more than 90 witnesses,
1349
01:13:42,751 --> 01:13:45,963
{\an8}giving McVeigh a motive
and tracing his movements.
1350
01:13:46,463 --> 01:13:49,757
Ultimately, McVeigh wanted to take
credit for the bombing
1351
01:13:49,758 --> 01:13:51,217
that he'd carried out.
1352
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:53,846
[McVeigh]
1353
01:14:08,861 --> 01:14:10,361
[moody music continues]
1354
01:14:10,362 --> 01:14:11,864
[foreboding dull hammering]
1355
01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:18,203
{\an8}[woman] We, the jury,
1356
01:14:19,037 --> 01:14:21,665
find as follows in the case
of Timothy McVeigh, count one.
1357
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:23,792
{\an8}- [spluttering sobs]
- Conspiracy.
1358
01:14:24,418 --> 01:14:25,418
{\an8}Guilty.
1359
01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:26,795
[whooping and cheering]
1360
01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:30,841
- Guilty.
- [crowd cheers, applauds]
1361
01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:33,218
{\an8}[Amy] When the verdict was read,
1362
01:14:34,094 --> 01:14:36,596
{\an8}it was like
somebody let air out of a tire.
1363
01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:39,099
It's over. It's over.
1364
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,479
[woman] Based upon these considerations,
the jury recommends, by unanimous vote,
1365
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,689
that the following sentence be imposed,
1366
01:14:46,690 --> 01:14:50,568
that defendant Timothy McVeigh
will be sentenced to death.
1367
01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:52,905
- [woman] Guilty.
- [crowd cheers, applauds]
1368
01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:55,324
[unnerving string music plays]
1369
01:15:01,121 --> 01:15:04,500
I didn't want him to die
when they decided to execute him.
1370
01:15:05,459 --> 01:15:06,876
I wanted to protest.
1371
01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:09,295
{\an8}[anchor] Timothy McVeigh
showed no reaction,
1372
01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:12,840
{\an8}never flinched
as he heard the jury vote for death.
1373
01:15:12,841 --> 01:15:14,175
[music becomes somber]
1374
01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:16,511
[Renee] This is not right. It's not fair.
1375
01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:20,598
He's taking the easy road out.
We have to live with this. He doesn't.
1376
01:15:20,599 --> 01:15:22,351
[somber music continues]
1377
01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:28,190
[church bells tolling]
1378
01:15:31,777 --> 01:15:33,195
[somber music continues]
1379
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:42,538
[music becomes poignant]
1380
01:15:49,169 --> 01:15:52,214
[Walt] When I talk
about the Oklahoma Standard, it's real.
1381
01:15:56,843 --> 01:15:59,972
{\an8}Hundreds of stories of people that day
1382
01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:01,723
{\an8}that responded.
1383
01:16:02,474 --> 01:16:05,810
I just wanted to help the people,
the victims and their families.
1384
01:16:05,811 --> 01:16:07,688
[Walt] They stood up for one another.
1385
01:16:10,691 --> 01:16:12,400
They looked after one another.
1386
01:16:12,401 --> 01:16:14,903
Let him know
there's still some good in the world.
1387
01:16:15,654 --> 01:16:17,197
[Walt] They saved one another.
1388
01:16:20,242 --> 01:16:22,076
They prayed for each other.
1389
01:16:22,077 --> 01:16:25,080
Yeah, a prayer for people
who've lost loved ones.
1390
01:16:26,164 --> 01:16:29,792
And you think about
what that collective response means.
1391
01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:34,798
People need someone just to lean on,
someone to hold their hand, to hug them.
1392
01:16:36,008 --> 01:16:38,719
[Walt] Neighbors, friends, relatives,
moms and dads.
1393
01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:40,637
Their children.
1394
01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:46,768
That's us.
1395
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:55,776
[Charlie] The Oklahoma Standard
shined brightly.
1396
01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:58,238
{\an8}It shows what Oklahoma people are about.
1397
01:16:58,989 --> 01:17:00,449
{\an8}That they're caring people.
1398
01:17:01,074 --> 01:17:02,701
[somber music playing]
1399
01:17:09,374 --> 01:17:11,375
- [blast of air]
- [explosion thunders]
1400
01:17:11,376 --> 01:17:12,918
[metal groans]
1401
01:17:12,919 --> 01:17:14,962
[somber music continues]
1402
01:17:14,963 --> 01:17:16,632
[explosions echo]
1403
01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:19,384
- [bell tolls]
- [rumbling]
1404
01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:25,349
- [somber music continues]
- [distant explosion thunders]
1405
01:17:27,184 --> 01:17:29,018
[Carl] All this mass casualty training
I'd had,
1406
01:17:29,019 --> 01:17:32,564
never once did anyone train me
on the human factor.
1407
01:17:33,857 --> 01:17:36,151
The one thing
I didn't know going into that
1408
01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:39,404
was what it was gonna do to me.
1409
01:17:41,782 --> 01:17:44,910
That bothers me still,
and that little girl I triaged.
1410
01:17:45,535 --> 01:17:46,787
That I had to let go.
1411
01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:49,665
That really bothers me.
1412
01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:51,833
[somber music continues]
1413
01:18:00,008 --> 01:18:05,305
[Renee] My second son, Carlos Moore Jr.,
was born on Little Tony's birthday.
1414
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,851
And I was a helicopter mom
for a long time, and many years.
1415
01:18:10,352 --> 01:18:14,106
[chuckles] So, it's okay.
I'm okay with that.
1416
01:18:14,606 --> 01:18:16,441
[somber music continues]
1417
01:18:17,401 --> 01:18:20,569
He is the love of my life. [chuckles]
1418
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,990
Yeah. He's 22 now. I can't believe it.
1419
01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:27,994
But yeah, I love him. [giggles]
1420
01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:37,295
[Amy] I'm very blessed
to have a second chance.
1421
01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:41,883
And I hope that it honors
1422
01:18:44,094 --> 01:18:47,138
the lives of the people
that don't have a second chance,
1423
01:18:47,139 --> 01:18:48,640
that I'm embracing mine.
1424
01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:50,767
[music builds]
1425
01:18:58,191 --> 01:19:00,026
[moody percussive music]
1426
01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:38,482
- [light drum snare]
- [music becomes solemn]
1427
01:20:01,046 --> 01:20:02,756
[solemn music continues]
1428
01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:23,567
[music stops]
1429
01:20:23,568 --> 01:20:25,070
[silence]
1430
01:20:35,831 --> 01:20:37,207
[solemn music plays]
1431
01:21:41,146 --> 01:21:42,856
[solemn music continues]
1432
01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:10,383
[music darkens]
1433
01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:26,900
[music fades to silence]