1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,225 --> 00:00:19,520 ♪ Down in some lone valley, ♪ 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,399 ♪ In a far distant place, ♪ 5 00:00:24,442 --> 00:00:28,237 ♪ Where the wild birds do whistle, ♪ 6 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:32,450 ♪ Their notes do increase ♪ 7 00:00:33,242 --> 00:00:37,329 ♪ I'm going to some far land, ♪ 8 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:40,708 ♪ My fortune to know, ♪ 9 00:00:41,917 --> 00:00:46,255 ♪ That I'll dream of pretty Saro ♪ 10 00:00:46,255 --> 00:00:49,133 ♪ Wherever I'll go ♪ 11 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:56,265 ♪ Yes, I wish I was a poet ♪ 12 00:00:56,265 --> 00:01:01,771 ♪ And could write some fine hand ♪ 13 00:01:01,771 --> 00:01:05,691 ♪ I'd write my love a letter ♪ 14 00:01:05,691 --> 00:01:09,487 ♪ That she'd understand ♪ 15 00:01:10,446 --> 00:01:14,408 ♪ I'd write it by the river ♪ 16 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:18,579 ♪ Where the waters o'erflow, ♪ 17 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:23,542 ♪ That I'll dream of pretty Saro ♪ 18 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:26,962 ♪ Wherever I go ♪ 19 00:01:28,798 --> 00:01:33,052 ♪ And I wish I was a sparrow, ♪ 20 00:01:33,344 --> 00:01:37,181 ♪ Had wings, and could fly ♪ 21 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:42,812 ♪ Straight to my love's window ♪ 22 00:01:42,812 --> 00:01:46,524 ♪ This night I draw nigh, ♪ 23 00:01:47,483 --> 00:01:51,195 ♪ All night in the arms ♪ 24 00:01:51,487 --> 00:01:55,616 ♪ Of my true love I'd lay, ♪ 25 00:01:56,492 --> 00:02:00,496 ♪ And watch those little windows ♪ 26 00:02:00,788 --> 00:02:04,166 ♪ 'Till the dawning of day ♪ 27 00:03:12,693 --> 00:03:14,320 Buddy, Buddy, Buddy, Buddy. 28 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,529 Come on a walk, Buddy? 29 00:03:27,291 --> 00:03:28,959 This plant has been here 30 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:32,379 probably as long as this house has been here. 31 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:35,674 35 years or so. 32 00:03:35,674 --> 00:03:38,594 This is probably the rarest plant in my garden, 33 00:03:39,637 --> 00:03:42,765 which I'm trying very hard to keep alive. 34 00:03:43,057 --> 00:03:44,558 I've got three or four in here. 35 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:45,601 There's one there. 36 00:03:46,644 --> 00:03:49,229 It's a kind of ginseng. 37 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:50,898 Uh, I don't know of anywhere else in the country 38 00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:52,316 where you can see this plant. 39 00:03:53,776 --> 00:03:55,653 So, this is a major, major adaptogen, 40 00:03:55,945 --> 00:04:00,699 and the word adaptogen was coined to describe this plant. 41 00:04:01,659 --> 00:04:04,411 So, the Russians are doing a whole lot of research 42 00:04:05,329 --> 00:04:07,206 on these health-promoting plants, 43 00:04:07,706 --> 00:04:12,002 and their goal was to win more gold medals at the Olympics, 44 00:04:12,294 --> 00:04:13,253 which they did. 45 00:04:15,089 --> 00:04:17,841 Now, the leaves of this are not all that different 46 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:18,884 from the leaves of this, 47 00:04:19,969 --> 00:04:21,136 but this one is the plant 48 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:23,305 that killed Abraham Lincoln's mother. 49 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:27,309 Its name will be tarnished throughout history for that. 50 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,105 Lobelia inflata. 51 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:33,357 It's because of these inflated seed pods. 52 00:04:33,649 --> 00:04:34,984 They look like little balloons. 53 00:04:36,151 --> 00:04:37,653 So, this is an emetic. 54 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:41,115 So, if you wanted to make yourself puke, this would help. 55 00:04:42,658 --> 00:04:44,827 There was this guy, Samuel Thomson, 56 00:04:45,828 --> 00:04:49,957 and he was the first person in America to advocate 57 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:51,250 for herbal medicine. 58 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:53,585 So just for a joke, 59 00:04:53,877 --> 00:04:56,547 he gives this working man tea made from this. 60 00:04:56,547 --> 00:04:58,632 He says, "Try th--" The guy's feeling kind of puny. 61 00:04:59,258 --> 00:05:00,384 "Try this." 62 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:03,637 Well, the guy goes and pukes his guck out-- guts out, 63 00:05:04,138 --> 00:05:06,473 and then he comes back an hour later, 64 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:10,019 and he says, "I feel better than I have in months." 65 00:05:12,104 --> 00:05:16,817 And this big lightbulb goes on, on Samuel Thomson's head. 66 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:19,570 And his theme was, "every man his own doctor." 67 00:05:24,074 --> 00:05:26,035 But every plant tells a story. 68 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:43,260 How old is Buddy? 69 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:46,680 Uh, I keep trying to remember. 70 00:05:46,972 --> 00:05:49,516 But six or seven, maybe, by now. 71 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,685 Time flies, you know. 72 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:56,356 Like, I-- I keep saying things were five years ago, 73 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:57,566 and then at some point I realize, 74 00:05:57,858 --> 00:05:59,318 "Oh, I better jack that up to ten." 75 00:06:01,445 --> 00:06:04,406 So, can you start by just telling us the history 76 00:06:04,406 --> 00:06:07,910 of the idea of a paradise garden, 77 00:06:08,744 --> 00:06:11,163 and your landing here? 78 00:06:11,163 --> 00:06:12,915 Uh, yeah. 79 00:06:13,916 --> 00:06:14,917 So, hello, everyone. 80 00:06:15,209 --> 00:06:16,376 Thank you for visiting. 81 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:17,836 My name is Joe Hollis. 82 00:06:18,128 --> 00:06:21,465 I'm sitting on the porch of my house at Mountain Gardens, 83 00:06:21,465 --> 00:06:22,508 my property. 84 00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:24,885 It's in Yancey County. 85 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:26,470 It's at the foot of the highest mountains 86 00:06:26,762 --> 00:06:28,597 in eastern North America, actually. 87 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:33,894 2.8 acres of land, which I purchased in 1972, 88 00:06:35,437 --> 00:06:37,064 right up against the National Forest. 89 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:42,069 Basically, I wanted to do something with my life 90 00:06:42,361 --> 00:06:45,697 that would address the current kind of disastrous situation, 91 00:06:45,989 --> 00:06:48,951 as I see it, of human life on Earth, 92 00:06:49,243 --> 00:06:52,704 or, at least, Western human life on Earth. 93 00:06:53,789 --> 00:06:58,418 It's like we are no longer occupying a niche 94 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:01,088 vis-à-vis, uh, Gaia, 95 00:07:01,088 --> 00:07:04,758 that functions either for us or for Gaia. 96 00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:09,221 I think it all really comes down to values at the base. 97 00:07:09,221 --> 00:07:12,766 Like, values is the rudder that steers the whole 98 00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:16,061 giant ship that's out there. 99 00:07:16,645 --> 00:07:18,897 It's like, what do we really want out of life? 100 00:07:18,897 --> 00:07:21,567 So I think a-- a lot of our problem, 101 00:07:21,859 --> 00:07:23,277 as-- as far as our niche goes, 102 00:07:23,569 --> 00:07:25,737 has to do with our value system. 103 00:07:26,321 --> 00:07:29,032 Over the years, we've gotten more and more into this position 104 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:31,660 where we're just unabashedly materialistic, 105 00:07:31,952 --> 00:07:33,662 and we just want more stuff, 106 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:35,414 and the more stuff we can get, 107 00:07:35,414 --> 00:07:38,000 the more successful our life has been. 108 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:42,045 So I knew I was gonna spend my life just doing 109 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:45,382 one particular experiment, you might say, 110 00:07:46,508 --> 00:07:47,634 of how to live on Earth. 111 00:07:48,844 --> 00:07:51,597 So, the concept I came up with, 112 00:07:51,597 --> 00:07:54,266 uh, I call paradise gardening, 113 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:57,060 and I have various little ways to define that. 114 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:59,521 Uh, one would be a way of life that, uh, 115 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,066 is best for Gaia, best for our species, 116 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:05,360 and best for the individual. 117 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,278 That would be a simple definition. 118 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:09,031 Another really easy definition 119 00:08:09,031 --> 00:08:10,699 would be the garden where everything you need 120 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:12,659 is there for the taking. 121 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:19,958 So, the goal all along has been to become 122 00:08:19,958 --> 00:08:22,044 a hunter-gatherer in my own garden, 123 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:28,091 and to have my garden be full enough of the things I need 124 00:08:28,091 --> 00:08:30,928 to gather to-- to supply my needs, 125 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:32,721 and the needs of, maybe, 126 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:34,223 a half a dozen other people living here. 127 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,059 The idea all along has been 128 00:08:37,351 --> 00:08:39,645 to have this be not a one-man operation, 129 00:08:39,645 --> 00:08:41,855 but a-- a small community, 130 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:44,775 like an eco-village, 131 00:08:44,775 --> 00:08:46,610 and that is still the intention, 132 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:50,113 uh, and I'm not gonna be around for a whole lot longer, 133 00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:53,825 so I'm rather urgently looking for the people 134 00:08:54,117 --> 00:08:57,329 that are gonna inherit this place, and take it over. 135 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:24,606 {\an8}So, making a formula, 136 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:26,525 which is gonna be pressed, 137 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:28,527 and then it's gonna be a tincture 138 00:09:28,527 --> 00:09:32,948 that, uh, we sell over there or in one of these. 139 00:09:32,948 --> 00:09:34,032 And, um... 140 00:09:34,866 --> 00:09:38,662 so it's kinda just like following a recipe. 141 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:43,875 {\an8}This is all pretty new to me this year. 142 00:09:43,875 --> 00:09:47,587 {\an8}So I've been here since probably like the second week in March, 143 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,464 so, in total, almost a year. 144 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:52,050 I was kind of interested in herbalism, 145 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:55,971 but, um, I wasn't really ready to commit to the-- 146 00:09:56,722 --> 00:09:59,933 the cost of going to a school like that. 147 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:03,020 And once-- once I saw Mountain Gardens, 148 00:10:03,312 --> 00:10:05,814 I was like, that's kinda what I'm looking for, 149 00:10:05,814 --> 00:10:08,567 is, like, this full-immersion horticultural, 150 00:10:08,859 --> 00:10:10,068 like, apprenticeship. 151 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:14,072 But, man, like, working under Joe is awesome, 152 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:17,159 because he just knows everything here. 153 00:10:17,451 --> 00:10:18,577 And so you can, like, point at something, 154 00:10:18,869 --> 00:10:20,454 and he'll know the Latin name, 155 00:10:20,746 --> 00:10:22,956 the common name, the medicinal value, 156 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:24,291 where it came from. 157 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:27,961 Like, I feel like a wizard is, like, not-- 158 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:31,131 I don't know, maybe it's not the best way to describe him, 159 00:10:31,423 --> 00:10:33,592 but he's like a plant wizard. 160 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:48,315 {\an8}Don't get me started about mushrooms. 161 00:10:50,442 --> 00:10:51,485 {\an8}They are it. 162 00:10:53,111 --> 00:10:54,613 {\an8}I've been doing this for years. 163 00:10:54,613 --> 00:10:55,864 And I'm from Chicago, 164 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:57,407 and there's a big mushroom grower there 165 00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:58,950 that used to throw away a dumpster's worth 166 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:00,786 of this stuff every day. 167 00:11:01,078 --> 00:11:02,871 And I was on the Community Gardener's Resource Committee, 168 00:11:02,871 --> 00:11:04,790 so I would collect all these blocks, and distribute 'em 169 00:11:05,082 --> 00:11:06,708 to different gardeners. 170 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:09,044 And then I used to teach a class on how to do this, 171 00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:10,420 how to take care of 'em, how to grow 'em. 172 00:11:12,547 --> 00:11:17,386 I'm really very specifically interested in the learning, 173 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:20,013 and sharing, and developing a community 174 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:22,474 and a culture of people that all know how to do this stuff. 175 00:11:23,308 --> 00:11:25,185 Um, and that aligns perfectly with, like, 176 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:27,437 what Joe's vision for this place has always been, 177 00:11:27,437 --> 00:11:31,400 a place that is an education center for this kind of living. 178 00:11:33,944 --> 00:11:35,654 The first year I came here, what year was that, Emma? 179 00:11:35,946 --> 00:11:37,447 - 2021? - 2021. 180 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:39,616 Yeah, Emma and I both arrived the first summer of 2021. 181 00:11:40,283 --> 00:11:41,368 Um... 182 00:11:42,536 --> 00:11:47,082 And, uh, that was before the fire. 183 00:11:47,791 --> 00:11:50,335 And the library was here. 184 00:11:50,335 --> 00:11:52,254 And the books were here. 185 00:11:52,254 --> 00:11:55,465 And Joe's energy levels were still really intact. 186 00:11:55,924 --> 00:11:57,509 And that was the plan, is that 2022 187 00:11:57,801 --> 00:11:59,261 was gonna be building, building, building, 188 00:11:59,261 --> 00:12:00,512 building, building and infrastructure. 189 00:12:00,804 --> 00:12:02,514 And then in March, the fire happened, 190 00:12:02,806 --> 00:12:05,517 and just caused a huge reset in the place. 191 00:12:10,981 --> 00:12:12,941 It was gonna be the 50th anniversary 192 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:16,486 of Mountain Gardens, big celebratory year. 193 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:19,614 Also my 80th birthday. 194 00:12:20,282 --> 00:12:22,534 This guy was here helping me. 195 00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:25,078 And I really kinda thought that he was the guy 196 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:27,205 I've been waiting for, or one of them, 197 00:12:28,331 --> 00:12:29,875 to take over after me. 198 00:12:30,876 --> 00:12:32,669 And he had a little bit of a drinking problem, 199 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:35,172 I have to say, and I've run into that before. 200 00:12:35,672 --> 00:12:36,756 Uh... 201 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:39,301 And in any case, he made a fire. 202 00:12:39,301 --> 00:12:41,303 And he did not put it out when he went to bed. 203 00:12:41,303 --> 00:12:44,973 And at five in the morning, the whole place was, uh, 204 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:47,392 in flames. 205 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:49,269 The entire thing burned down. 206 00:12:50,479 --> 00:12:52,981 The pavilion, the library, the tool shop, 207 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:55,233 the photovoltaic system, 208 00:12:55,233 --> 00:12:56,818 the greenhouse here caught, 209 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:59,362 it was such a big fire, the greenhouse caught on fire. 210 00:12:59,654 --> 00:13:02,532 All these trees behind us and ar-- around 211 00:13:02,532 --> 00:13:03,783 all caught on fire. 212 00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:07,579 The nursery operation, which was below this deck, 213 00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:09,831 all that gone, all the fertilizer, 214 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:11,333 all the flats, all the pots, 215 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:13,418 all the-- all the everything. 216 00:13:15,378 --> 00:13:16,421 It was... 217 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:20,800 quite shattering, needless to say. 218 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,679 So... yeah, 219 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,264 I've never really recovered from that, 220 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:27,557 and I never really will. 221 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:31,520 I think I'm suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, 222 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:34,648 and my health has really been bad ever since then. 223 00:13:35,690 --> 00:13:38,401 Hypertension, and God knows what all. 224 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:39,444 Uh... 225 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:58,004 You know, it was hard to do anything with all this rubble, 226 00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:01,049 because it was just all full of broken glass. 227 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:04,511 So a lot of it got pushed back there, 228 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:06,680 and then, burned books. 229 00:14:06,972 --> 00:14:10,475 I mean, we had this huge, uh, hoop of burned books 230 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:13,979 that-- that I was gonna try and grow mushrooms on. 231 00:14:15,397 --> 00:14:17,566 But they ended up kind of just being incorporated 232 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:19,651 into this mound back here. 233 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:22,696 Yeah, crazy stuff. 234 00:14:25,031 --> 00:14:28,702 Crazy stuff, I would not wish anybody ever 235 00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:31,705 to have to deal with that kind of thing. 236 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:42,465 The way I had it before this fire was, 237 00:14:42,757 --> 00:14:45,969 it was kind of the peak, as far as my library, 238 00:14:45,969 --> 00:14:47,637 you know, it was really first-rate. 239 00:14:47,929 --> 00:14:50,473 I mean, I can't quite imagine a better library 240 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:52,434 for the purposes that I wanted, 241 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:55,145 which was to buttress the argument I'm trying to make 242 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:57,689 about how we should be living on Earth, 243 00:14:57,689 --> 00:15:00,775 and just all this supportive material, right? 244 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:05,572 There's really no hope of ever, uh, reassembling what was there. 245 00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:07,407 Not in my lifetime. 246 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,034 That was 50 years of-- 247 00:15:09,868 --> 00:15:12,329 of accumulating, and reading, you know. 248 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,582 And-- but the idea, uh, is really just to try 249 00:15:15,874 --> 00:15:17,917 and put it back as close as possible. 250 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:25,800 That's my Dawn Redwood out there. 251 00:15:26,885 --> 00:15:31,681 Looks like it's kind of, uh, plateauing out up there. 252 00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:32,724 That's interesting. 253 00:16:21,606 --> 00:16:23,108 I'm usually reading, uh, 254 00:16:23,942 --> 00:16:27,779 ten or a dozen things at the same time. 255 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:29,531 Just kinda switching from one to another 256 00:16:29,531 --> 00:16:34,285 according to my interest of-- of the day, of the moment. 257 00:16:34,911 --> 00:16:37,580 Just trying to pin down how we should be living on Earth. 258 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:39,791 What does it mean to be a good human being? 259 00:16:41,126 --> 00:16:43,712 Well, pretty much of a disaster, you know? 260 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:46,381 We're destroying the planet, 261 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:49,384 and half the population's addicted to drugs. 262 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:52,554 Everybody's, like, stressed out like crazy. 263 00:16:52,846 --> 00:16:55,140 And, uh... 264 00:16:56,891 --> 00:16:58,810 It seems like we're constantly on the brink 265 00:16:59,102 --> 00:17:00,562 of some kind of world war, 266 00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:02,689 and the weapons get more and more intense. 267 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:06,526 And, yeah, it's a total disaster the whole way ar-- around. 268 00:17:08,403 --> 00:17:10,613 And it seems like there's a widespread feeling 269 00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,199 that, uh, there's some kind of huge crash coming. 270 00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:15,493 Of course, people have been saying that 271 00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:19,414 for thousands of years, so it remains to be seen. 272 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:20,665 But... 273 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:23,626 I don't know, certainly just in terms of the way 274 00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:26,171 the climate's changing, 275 00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:28,131 that seems pretty unavoidable. 276 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:31,926 It's mostly just thinking about resilience, 277 00:17:32,218 --> 00:17:36,222 and then thinking about what might follow in the future. 278 00:17:37,474 --> 00:17:41,394 Like, if there is some kind of huge crash, 279 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:44,647 then what might be rebuilt, you know? 280 00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:55,408 I took a lot of my inspiration from Taoist philosophy, 281 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,787 which I've ascribed to ever since I was in high school. 282 00:17:59,537 --> 00:18:02,457 The kind of fundamental idea of Taoism 283 00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:06,669 is that the Tao, which is the way the world works, 284 00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:09,506 the way the universe works, the way everything works, 285 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:15,011 the Tao is-- is there doing what the Tao does, 286 00:18:15,887 --> 00:18:19,516 and the goal of human life is to fit ourselves in, 287 00:18:19,516 --> 00:18:23,061 because the idea is that we can gather energy 288 00:18:23,061 --> 00:18:24,687 from our surroundings, 289 00:18:25,855 --> 00:18:27,857 that energy being called qi. 290 00:18:28,358 --> 00:18:31,486 Qi is what circulates in the meridians of your body. 291 00:18:31,486 --> 00:18:34,531 Qi is, like, behind everything that happens, really. 292 00:18:34,823 --> 00:18:38,368 Often translated as energy, but not quite accurately. 293 00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:43,331 But the idea was, with this garden, 294 00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:46,334 was very much the same as the idea of human health, 295 00:18:46,334 --> 00:18:48,461 which is to balance everything. 296 00:18:48,753 --> 00:18:50,630 So you want to balance out the seasons, 297 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:52,507 you want to balance out the directions, 298 00:18:52,507 --> 00:18:54,968 you want a balance of sun and shade, 299 00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:56,845 you want a balance of moist and dry. 300 00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:59,597 These are all yin-yang axes. 301 00:18:59,889 --> 00:19:01,599 So the idea is to try and balance those all out, 302 00:19:01,891 --> 00:19:03,768 and that's gonna be your perfect qi, 303 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:05,228 just like in your body. 304 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,858 These Taoist practitioners, what they really wanted to do 305 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:14,070 was get as deep into the wilderness as they could, 306 00:19:14,571 --> 00:19:17,699 because that's where there was perfect qi, you know? 307 00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:19,659 And the closer you come to civilization, 308 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:21,911 the more that qi kind of gets diluted. 309 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:49,480 - Hi. - How are you? 310 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:52,859 How you doing? You okay? 311 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,152 - Hmm? - Are you okay? 312 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:55,862 Huh? 313 00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:58,281 - No. - No? 314 00:19:58,281 --> 00:19:59,616 You look a little anxious today. 315 00:19:59,908 --> 00:20:01,284 It's been quite a while since I've been okay. 316 00:20:01,284 --> 00:20:02,410 Yeah. 317 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:03,578 Nothing new. 318 00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:04,621 Come on in. 319 00:20:19,302 --> 00:20:21,554 Yeah, I keep getting this sense from your pulse 320 00:20:21,846 --> 00:20:24,933 that there's-- some-- something's just stuck 321 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:26,726 - right here. - Hmm. 322 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:28,728 - And it's-- it's putting too-- - That's what it is, yeah. 323 00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:30,647 It's like-- it feels like it's between my navel 324 00:20:30,939 --> 00:20:33,191 and my, uh, whatever you call this. 325 00:20:33,191 --> 00:20:35,777 - Breastbone, yeah. - Yeah. 326 00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:37,570 - Yeah. - More focused in there. 327 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:40,615 Yeah, and then it feels like it's getting stuck up here. 328 00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:42,116 Hmm. 329 00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:44,494 Are you having any shortness of breath, or... 330 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:48,706 Um, I'm not noticing that specifically, 331 00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:51,459 but then I'm not doing a great deal of... 332 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:54,087 Um... 333 00:20:54,379 --> 00:20:55,964 - Breath-shortening activity? - Yeah, exactly. 334 00:20:58,841 --> 00:21:01,094 It makes me wonder if the organ itself 335 00:21:01,094 --> 00:21:02,845 is suffering in some way. 336 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:26,828 Is it still warm? 337 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:29,539 No, it's good, it's not too hot. 338 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:31,582 Okay, good. 339 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:33,042 Just warm, just nice. 340 00:21:40,591 --> 00:21:44,053 Joe, since you have a scar here on your abdomen, these 341 00:21:44,053 --> 00:21:46,139 - might feel a little sharp. - Hmm. 342 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:47,515 But you just let me know. 343 00:21:58,276 --> 00:22:00,278 Yeah, there's somebody there. 344 00:22:00,278 --> 00:22:01,988 Yeah, you've got a live-- a live point there. 345 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,656 Somebody there. Mm-hmm. 346 00:22:07,035 --> 00:22:09,203 We're definitely going in the right direction, 347 00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:10,788 according to your pulses. 348 00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:12,290 What are you noticing? A little-- 349 00:22:12,582 --> 00:22:14,333 - This little-- This little-- - No, no. 350 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,627 I'm not really noticing anything much right this minute. 351 00:22:16,919 --> 00:22:17,837 Okay. 352 00:22:18,713 --> 00:22:20,214 Everything feels okay. 353 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:21,257 Okay. 354 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,802 I'm gonna let you have a snooze. 355 00:23:26,781 --> 00:23:29,575 You have 13 old messages. 356 00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:33,746 Uh, we were just calling. We saw your video on YouTube. 357 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:36,707 Um, we saw that you were asking for people to come live with you 358 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:39,252 and help work on the farm, and work on the place. 359 00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:41,170 Uh, we would love to do that. 360 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,005 - Well. - Hello, friends. 361 00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:45,508 Uh, my name is Phillip, and I was just curious 362 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,636 about, uh, what it would take to come down there 363 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:51,264 for a couple of days, and help you guys work. 364 00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:54,392 Uh, I just-- I-- I just, uh-- Probably like a lot of people, 365 00:23:54,392 --> 00:23:57,478 I was just made aware of you guys from the recent 366 00:23:57,478 --> 00:23:59,522 YouTube video that just, uh, that just went up. 367 00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:04,277 We just need to know if we're gonna be able 368 00:24:04,569 --> 00:24:05,903 to-- to bring our daughter. 369 00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:07,613 Um, that-- that's the one-- 370 00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:09,699 that was the one thing that we wanted to know. 371 00:24:09,699 --> 00:24:11,367 One-- One question, "Can we bring our daughter?" 372 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:12,910 Um, please give me a call back. 373 00:24:13,202 --> 00:24:14,287 Uh, 308... 374 00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:17,331 Not where-- not what do you do with your poop? 375 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:20,376 Voice message from telephone number... 376 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:25,715 So, like, a month and a half ago, 377 00:24:26,215 --> 00:24:29,927 a YouTuber came by to make a video about Joe. 378 00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:31,888 This happens all the time. 379 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,306 People contact Joe and want to make a video with him 380 00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:34,932 or do a photoshoot with him, 381 00:24:35,224 --> 00:24:36,809 and he always says yes, because he's always just wanted 382 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:38,311 his message out to more people. 383 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,814 Um, we had no idea who the guy was. 384 00:24:42,106 --> 00:24:43,441 It's on us, right? 385 00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:45,610 Um, it's this guy, Peter Santenello. 386 00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:46,777 If you go on YouTube, 387 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:48,821 and go to the search box and type "Peter", 388 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,199 just "Peter", he's the first thing that comes up. 389 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:52,491 He's huge. 390 00:24:52,992 --> 00:24:54,035 About two weeks ago now, 391 00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:55,578 the video launched, 392 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:59,916 and by this point it's got seven million views 393 00:25:00,208 --> 00:25:01,334 or something like that. 394 00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,629 Every single day the phone is ringing off the hook. 395 00:25:04,629 --> 00:25:07,715 We've got hundreds of emails from people 396 00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:10,843 that want to move here or volunteer here, 397 00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:12,845 or just come meet Joe. 398 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:16,557 But we have had people arriving with their families, 399 00:25:16,557 --> 00:25:18,601 and their kids, and their grandparents, 400 00:25:18,893 --> 00:25:21,270 expecting to, like, have houses and places to stay. 401 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:25,024 We've also had people who come, 402 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:26,692 and just aren't prepared to poop in a bucket, 403 00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:30,655 and decide they can't-- you know, this isn't for them. 404 00:25:30,655 --> 00:25:33,032 Like, I was reading emails, 405 00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:35,743 or actually listening to voicemails today, 406 00:25:35,743 --> 00:25:38,871 and one of the guys-- one of the guys wants to come 407 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:42,583 if there's a hot shower. 408 00:25:42,583 --> 00:25:43,751 I bathe in the creek. 409 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:49,632 It's been very, uh, interesting just to see 410 00:25:49,924 --> 00:25:54,011 the, uh, quantity of responses, 411 00:25:54,011 --> 00:25:56,055 and, you know, how many people are so desperate 412 00:25:56,347 --> 00:25:57,473 to live like this. 413 00:25:57,473 --> 00:25:58,724 It's really kind of a... 414 00:25:59,517 --> 00:26:01,936 I mean, I guess I probably could have guessed that, 415 00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:04,689 but to just see it... 416 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:05,731 ...is, uh, 417 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:08,442 is, uh, kind of an eye-opener, 418 00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:11,821 and it makes me think a lot about where we want to go 419 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:16,659 in the future, as far as, uh, trying to respond to that. 420 00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:19,578 You know, that-- that it's not really that we need 421 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,747 to get out there and convince people 422 00:26:22,623 --> 00:26:24,333 that there's a better way to live, 423 00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:27,420 uh, because plenty of them are already convinced. 424 00:26:38,389 --> 00:26:40,558 Uh, I had been in the Peace Corps, 425 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:42,184 spent three years in Borneo 426 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:44,937 with, uh, Native Peoples, tribal society. 427 00:26:45,229 --> 00:26:50,401 And it was all very fascinating and life-changing. 428 00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:53,696 In particular, uh, coming from an urban, uh, 429 00:26:53,696 --> 00:26:55,197 kind of environment, 430 00:26:55,489 --> 00:26:58,826 I was very impressed to see people who pretty much 431 00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:00,661 ran their own lives. 432 00:27:00,661 --> 00:27:02,121 They built their houses, they grew their food, 433 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,749 they-- you know, they had not too much communication 434 00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:06,459 with the outside world. 435 00:27:08,377 --> 00:27:10,838 What I had realized was that these people were probably 436 00:27:10,838 --> 00:27:13,549 healthier and happier than anybody I knew in America, 437 00:27:13,841 --> 00:27:17,762 with this, uh, totally almost opposite lifestyle 438 00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:18,888 to what we lead here. 439 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:23,601 And history, what we call history, 440 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,603 is only a couple thousand years old, 441 00:27:25,603 --> 00:27:27,104 since the beginning of writing. 442 00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:30,024 Well, we were here for a million years before that, 443 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:33,277 doing stuff on this planet. 444 00:27:33,277 --> 00:27:35,988 The Bible says that Eden was a garden, 445 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,533 and humans were put in there to dress it, and keep it. 446 00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:43,621 I don't get a lot of my ideas out of the Bible, 447 00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:47,750 but that's, I think, a very succinct expression 448 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,878 of a human niche, of a successful human niche. 449 00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:55,591 It's too bad the Bible then says we got kicked out. 450 00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:59,220 Because we didn't, we just left voluntarily, 451 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:02,306 and we could go back in if we want to. 452 00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:16,737 {\an8}We're here at my yurt, 453 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:18,656 {\an8}where I've lived for... 454 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:21,492 {\an8}almost three and a half years, 455 00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:27,206 {\an8}and it was the first, like, permanent structure we built. 456 00:28:27,498 --> 00:28:28,624 Before that, I was just living 457 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:31,544 a full spring and summer just out of a tent. 458 00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:34,755 I've known Joe for almost a decade. 459 00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:37,508 He wasn't the quickest friend I ever made, 460 00:28:37,508 --> 00:28:38,551 but he's one of the, like, 461 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:42,430 most amazing friends I've ever had. 462 00:28:43,264 --> 00:28:45,599 And very much the process of becoming his friend 463 00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:50,438 were totally and specifically inspirational to this. 464 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:55,192 I think he really wanted to fuel that commitment in me 465 00:28:55,192 --> 00:28:57,486 that he felt 50 years ago, 466 00:28:57,945 --> 00:29:00,656 and wanted to support and nurture that as a part 467 00:29:00,656 --> 00:29:02,575 of, like, that's what he does, 468 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,118 and that's what he's always wanted to see. 469 00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:08,497 Gardens are pretty quiet. 470 00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:10,166 I just cover-cropped everything, 471 00:29:10,166 --> 00:29:12,501 and I've been turning the goat loose in there 472 00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:15,171 to just root around, and crap everywhere. 473 00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:21,010 So we have a pretty diverse medicine garden 474 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:22,219 that's back over here, 475 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,430 that we're sorta doubling up for next year. 476 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:25,931 And there we're growing, like, 477 00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:28,934 a pretty wide variety of mostly garden medicinals. 478 00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:35,232 And then there are a lot of, like, staple foods 479 00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:38,486 that are very easy to grow, and kind of, like, 480 00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:41,447 give you the most bang for your buck. 481 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:47,578 And this will be where we have, like, classes. 482 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:50,289 It's gonna be our apothecary where we do a lot of our, like, 483 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:53,417 plant medicine making, and things like that. 484 00:29:54,084 --> 00:29:56,128 Like, we're not gonna be total hermits our whole lives. 485 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:57,796 Like, we're gonna have classes out here, 486 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,465 and do some workshops, 487 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:01,091 and some events, and things like that. 488 00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:03,928 And we wanted some public-facing infrastructure 489 00:30:03,928 --> 00:30:06,931 that, um, is akin, again, 490 00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:08,390 to how Mountain Gardens is set up. 491 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:18,067 This is gonna be a library. 492 00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:22,988 An old-school, Mountain Garden-style library. 493 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,908 This is what we were working on right when the fire happened. 494 00:30:28,035 --> 00:30:29,995 We took a lot of the time and a lot of the resources 495 00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,121 that were going into the build here 496 00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,166 and diverted them in Joe's direction 497 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:38,128 for the last year and a half. 498 00:30:38,128 --> 00:30:40,798 Until I saw what that meant when somebody spends, like, 499 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:45,344 decades accumulating everything that there is to know 500 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:46,679 about some particular, 501 00:30:46,971 --> 00:30:48,973 very interesting topics, like bats. 502 00:30:50,683 --> 00:30:52,059 Mind-bending. 503 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,938 And something I really wanted for myself ever since then. 504 00:30:56,230 --> 00:31:00,568 So, another tick of inspiration 505 00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:04,280 from Joe Hollis, and his life's work. 506 00:31:05,573 --> 00:31:06,615 Gotta have a library. 507 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,121 Okay. 508 00:31:44,111 --> 00:31:45,487 {\an8} 509 00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:51,744 What's up? 510 00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:56,707 I have some very significant news about my health. 511 00:31:59,668 --> 00:32:04,632 The news is that I have stage four cancer. 512 00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:11,555 CT scan done today shows a definite malignant mass 513 00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:15,601 at the head of the pancreas, with a resulting blockage 514 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,853 of the pancreatic duct, bile duct, 515 00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:20,356 SMA, whatever that means. 516 00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:25,110 He has evidence of metastatic lesions to the liver 517 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:28,030 and lymph nodes, so it's spreading around. 518 00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:32,910 This is just my, uh, general practitioner, 519 00:32:34,203 --> 00:32:36,330 who said that I might have three months. 520 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:37,581 Oh, shit. 521 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:42,586 But on the whole, I'm pretty poorly disposed 522 00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:45,631 towards doing anything that's gonna diminish 523 00:32:45,923 --> 00:32:50,636 my quality of life, which I think chemo does do. 524 00:32:53,806 --> 00:32:57,685 Uh, my entire concern is the future of Mountain Garden 525 00:32:57,685 --> 00:32:58,686 much more than my-- 526 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,688 Than your personal, okay. 527 00:33:00,688 --> 00:33:02,064 That is my happiness. 528 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:03,857 - And there's-- - Yeah. 529 00:33:04,108 --> 00:33:06,944 There's not a distinction between the two. 530 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:11,573 And, um, and it's just been huge for me 531 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:14,076 that Ryan has agreed to stick around. 532 00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:38,684 I've been watching him decline in health for a while, 533 00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:43,522 and I had a feeling that there was something big going on. 534 00:33:43,814 --> 00:33:44,982 Um... 535 00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:48,819 So when he told me the-- the prognosis, 536 00:33:49,111 --> 00:33:51,238 um, well, I mean, I was instantly saddened, 537 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:52,865 and I, like, put my hand on his leg, 538 00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:55,200 and then I, like, gave him a hug, 539 00:33:55,492 --> 00:33:58,203 and got really overwhelmed and sad, 540 00:33:58,203 --> 00:33:59,538 but he, like, didn't-- he wasn't-- 541 00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:01,206 that's not what he was up for, truthfully. 542 00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:02,374 He was like, it's okay, it's okay. 543 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:03,834 Like, it's all right, I'm good. 544 00:34:06,628 --> 00:34:09,047 When he asked me to stick around and shepherd it forward, 545 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,593 I was overwhelmed, humbled. 546 00:34:12,593 --> 00:34:13,927 Uh... 547 00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:18,182 Yeah, I was totally taken aback. 548 00:34:19,141 --> 00:34:20,517 Um, so... 549 00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:22,478 I think it's a big responsibility, 550 00:34:22,478 --> 00:34:24,062 and a beautiful project, 551 00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:27,399 um, and I think the right people are gonna show up, 552 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,318 and it's gonna be able to be what he wants it to be. 553 00:34:46,335 --> 00:34:50,214 All right, I just want to show you guys some weeding 554 00:34:50,214 --> 00:34:51,590 right here around my house, 555 00:34:52,466 --> 00:34:54,384 because there's a lot of good stuff in this area. 556 00:34:57,846 --> 00:35:00,766 All right, I don't know how much you all are gonna remember, 557 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,186 but try and remember as much as you can. 558 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,773 This is the Shortia, 559 00:35:09,858 --> 00:35:11,068 oconee bells. 560 00:35:12,319 --> 00:35:15,113 An extremely rare and desirable wildflower 561 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:17,491 that we want to keep. 562 00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:21,703 We want to get rid of all this stuff. 563 00:35:21,703 --> 00:35:24,289 That looks like a little currant or gooseberry. 564 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:25,374 We want that. 565 00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:27,709 This is all more ajuga that we don't want. 566 00:35:29,795 --> 00:35:31,880 And we don't want goldenrod. 567 00:35:34,007 --> 00:35:38,220 Uh, and then it gets back into that Schisandra stuff. 568 00:35:39,763 --> 00:35:41,974 It'd be nice to get a bunch of this Spikenard fruit, 569 00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:43,517 and do something with it. 570 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:45,102 They're-- they're quite delicious. 571 00:35:45,394 --> 00:35:46,728 - Have you eaten any? - No. 572 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:47,855 Well, they're not bad. 573 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,106 Okay. 574 00:35:52,776 --> 00:35:54,736 Oh, wow. It's nice. 575 00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:58,699 That looks like a really nice little fern there. 576 00:35:58,991 --> 00:36:00,450 It's got a tag. 577 00:36:00,742 --> 00:36:03,245 So we're going to start making our own tags pretty soon. 578 00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:06,748 We've got the 75 that that guy made for us, 579 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,001 but it's by no means everything in the garden. 580 00:36:14,882 --> 00:36:15,924 Echinacea pallida. 581 00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:21,847 They're better than the other Echinacea, medicinally. 582 00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:24,349 We're good to get done. 583 00:36:26,268 --> 00:36:28,687 And that's the end of this walk. I've gotta go lay down. 584 00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:30,063 Okay. 585 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,444 {\an8}So I read through your case a little bit, 586 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:20,572 {\an8}and, uh, you know, learned about what's going on. 587 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,324 {\an8}So I'd love to hear, in your words, 588 00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:23,951 just kind of how things started. 589 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,578 And it seems like it's happened pretty rapidly, 590 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,331 in terms of a diagnosis. 591 00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:31,333 As far as the cancer goes, 592 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:35,712 so, I started having stomach pain about a month ago. 593 00:37:36,171 --> 00:37:39,383 Eventually they said, "You need to get a CT scan." 594 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,137 And that was, I think, about a week or ten days ago. 595 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:47,140 And that's when this was discovered. 596 00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:48,600 - Mm-hmm. - Anyway, 597 00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:50,477 now it's progressed enough, Now I'm on hospice. 598 00:37:51,812 --> 00:37:55,315 I've got some morphine, uh... 599 00:37:55,315 --> 00:37:57,234 that I can take, 600 00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:59,569 and then I can supplement that, apparently, with this oxycodone. 601 00:37:59,569 --> 00:38:01,196 I've had a-- 602 00:38:01,196 --> 00:38:02,572 I've not been able to sleep through the night. 603 00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:05,075 I wake up at-- in the-- at three a.m. or so, 604 00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:07,119 from the pain, usually. 605 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,621 There's issues about constipation, 606 00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:11,540 which I never had before in my life. 607 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,127 And lots of, uh, issues around heartburn, 608 00:38:15,127 --> 00:38:17,004 which I also never had before in my life. 609 00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:18,213 Everything's new. 610 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,215 I've never had any of these problems, 611 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:25,012 or anything ro-- remotely resembling these problems. 612 00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:26,847 Let me ask you this. 613 00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:29,558 It sounds like they decided not to do any therapy for you, 614 00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:32,310 and instead just put you in hospice. 615 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,021 Was there a thought that they didn't think 616 00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,355 you would have any benefit? 617 00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,316 At this point, I'm not really worried about 618 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,111 or thinking that it's going to ever be cured. 619 00:38:41,987 --> 00:38:43,905 I'm just looking for a little more time, 620 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:48,910 because I'm desperately trying to, uh, turn my place here 621 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:50,704 into a kind of an eco-village, 622 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,623 and I've got to recruit the right people for it. 623 00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:57,544 It's going to take about six people to carry on my work here. 624 00:38:57,544 --> 00:38:59,296 To carry out your work there. 625 00:38:59,588 --> 00:39:02,507 Uh, So I'm just looking for a little extra time, 626 00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:05,052 but I don't want-- the-- the chemo's just gonna-- 627 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,179 It might give me extra time, 628 00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:09,347 but I'll be functioning even more poorly, 629 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,351 so I won't be able to take advantage of that time. 630 00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:20,400 ♪ Oh, Death ♪ 631 00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:23,195 ♪ Oh, Death ♪ 632 00:39:23,612 --> 00:39:25,072 ♪ Won't you spare me ♪ 633 00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:29,034 ♪ Over another year ♪ 634 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,162 ♪ Well, what is this ♪ 635 00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:34,164 ♪ That I can't see ♪ 636 00:39:34,456 --> 00:39:36,458 ♪ With ice-cold hands ♪ 637 00:39:36,458 --> 00:39:39,252 ♪ Taking hold on me ♪ 638 00:39:40,587 --> 00:39:42,631 ♪ Well, I am Death ♪ 639 00:39:42,631 --> 00:39:44,716 ♪ None can excel ♪ 640 00:39:45,008 --> 00:39:46,968 ♪ I'll open the door ♪ 641 00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:49,679 ♪ To heaven or hell ♪ 642 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:52,933 ♪ Oh, Death ♪ 643 00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:55,352 ♪ Someone would pray ♪ 644 00:39:55,644 --> 00:40:01,149 ♪ Please don't take me 'til another day ♪ 645 00:40:01,149 --> 00:40:03,110 ♪ The children pray ♪ 646 00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:04,903 ♪ The preacher preached ♪ 647 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:09,407 ♪ Time and mercy is out of your reach ♪ 648 00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,911 ♪ In death I've come ♪ 649 00:40:13,203 --> 00:40:15,247 ♪ To take the soul ♪ 650 00:40:15,247 --> 00:40:16,623 ♪ To leave the body ♪ 651 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:19,626 ♪ And leave it cold ♪ 652 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:24,923 ♪ To drop the flesh Off of the frame ♪ 653 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:26,925 ♪ The earth and worms ♪ 654 00:40:27,217 --> 00:40:29,845 ♪ Both have claim ♪ 655 00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:35,433 ♪ My wealth is all at your command ♪ 656 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:39,646 ♪ If you'll remove your icy hand ♪ 657 00:40:40,355 --> 00:40:42,357 ♪ Now, Death, oh, Death ♪ 658 00:40:42,357 --> 00:40:44,734 ♪ Please consider my age ♪ 659 00:40:45,026 --> 00:40:49,072 ♪ Please don't take me at this stage ♪ 660 00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:52,159 ♪ Oh, the young ♪ 661 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,536 ♪ The rich, the poor ♪ 662 00:40:54,828 --> 00:41:00,125 ♪ They're all alike to me, you know ♪ 663 00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:02,460 ♪ Oh, Death ♪ 664 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:05,338 ♪ Oh, oh, Death ♪ 665 00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:08,175 ♪ Won't you spare me over ♪ 666 00:41:08,175 --> 00:41:11,136 ♪ Another year ♪ 667 00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:14,639 ♪ Won't you spare me over ♪ 668 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,517 ♪ Another year ♪ 669 00:41:18,435 --> 00:41:21,188 ♪ Won't you spare me over ♪ 670 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:25,567 ♪ 'Til another year ♪ 671 00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:48,173 These were teeny-tiny trees, 672 00:41:48,465 --> 00:41:51,259 every single one of these. 673 00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:55,096 Pretty amazing how they've grown up. 674 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,646 I really think that Joe should be buried up here, 675 00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,190 because this is where it started. 676 00:42:08,193 --> 00:42:11,446 {\an8}40 years ago, 1983, 677 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,992 {\an8}uh, my life in New England was falling apart, 678 00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:18,245 {\an8}and I decided to follow the ridgetop 679 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:19,996 {\an8}of the Appalachian Mountains, 680 00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:21,957 {\an8}and see where I landed. 681 00:42:23,792 --> 00:42:25,835 Coming all the way from New Hampshire, 682 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:29,089 and I had a dog, a little black dog. 683 00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:31,299 And I thought I was like Dorothy, 684 00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:35,512 following the yellow brick road, and looking for a home. 685 00:42:36,805 --> 00:42:39,182 And I pull the truck up, 686 00:42:39,641 --> 00:42:43,520 and out of the cabin comes the wizard. 687 00:42:44,646 --> 00:42:46,022 He came out. 688 00:42:46,314 --> 00:42:49,734 Joe had, like, more hair, and it was, like, out. 689 00:42:50,402 --> 00:42:52,696 And he just came, and hunched. 690 00:42:52,696 --> 00:42:53,989 He was always hunched over, 691 00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:56,032 because he's always looking at plants. 692 00:42:56,866 --> 00:43:00,161 And he looked up, and I just laughed. 693 00:43:00,161 --> 00:43:01,288 I said, "You're the wizard." 694 00:43:03,081 --> 00:43:04,082 "Hi, I'm Dorothy." 695 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,793 I just loved it. 696 00:43:06,793 --> 00:43:08,795 It felt like, you know, paradise. 697 00:43:12,716 --> 00:43:14,634 So, Joe said I could live in the yurt 698 00:43:14,926 --> 00:43:16,303 if I worked in the garden, 699 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:20,056 and then I started to build the house. 700 00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:21,349 And I was pregnant. 701 00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:25,103 When I became pregnant is when I married Joe, 702 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:29,733 and then we were married for ten years. 703 00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:37,699 My only regrets is that when I left, I just left. 704 00:43:39,743 --> 00:43:43,621 And Joe was angry that I left, 705 00:43:44,456 --> 00:43:47,334 and we hadn't talked in 25 years. 706 00:43:49,085 --> 00:43:51,004 So, that's a long time. 707 00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:56,301 So I regret that. 708 00:43:56,301 --> 00:44:01,181 And it's sad that tragedy has to bring us together again, 709 00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:03,516 but... 710 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,602 that's-- 711 00:44:06,603 --> 00:44:07,645 that's life. 712 00:44:09,356 --> 00:44:13,276 We all have these chapters that make up a book, 713 00:44:14,611 --> 00:44:18,907 and Joe is quite the character of those chapters. 714 00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:22,285 It's pretty amazing what he's done. 715 00:44:38,843 --> 00:44:40,261 There's a ton of blue cohosh right there. 716 00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:41,805 Oh, yeah. Do you wanna grab it? 717 00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:43,473 - Yeah, do you have a bag? - Yeah, here. 718 00:44:49,437 --> 00:44:51,022 So there's a fair amount of ginseng up here. 719 00:44:51,314 --> 00:44:56,778 I've been trying to protect it for 20 or 30 years. 720 00:45:03,785 --> 00:45:07,747 So do you have any memories of collecting ginseng 721 00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:10,333 in your youth? 722 00:45:11,376 --> 00:45:12,877 Yeah, I mean, all sorts of things. 723 00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:15,171 Just wild crafting. 724 00:45:15,964 --> 00:45:20,552 I'm not sure I have a strong gauge on what normal 725 00:45:20,844 --> 00:45:24,806 kid things are, but I would say 726 00:45:25,098 --> 00:45:26,683 traipsing around the woods 727 00:45:26,683 --> 00:45:29,936 was definitely a huge part of growing up. 728 00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:35,900 Part of my dad's legacy is the work here, 729 00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:38,820 and then the other part is... 730 00:45:40,989 --> 00:45:45,326 influencing, uh, how people perceive the world. 731 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:51,541 It has definitely affected how I perceive it. 732 00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:16,649 I read to Jeffrey at night, 733 00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:18,902 and it was a large variety of stuff. 734 00:46:19,194 --> 00:46:21,654 I'm curious which things you remember. 735 00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:24,491 Yeah. Oh, gosh. 736 00:46:24,491 --> 00:46:26,618 I mean, it was always a billion things 737 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:29,454 that were, um, 738 00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,708 beyond my level at the time. 739 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,877 Um... 740 00:46:36,169 --> 00:46:37,295 Because I was trying to elevate. 741 00:46:37,545 --> 00:46:39,506 Right, yes, well, you did a good job. 742 00:46:39,923 --> 00:46:42,926 And then there was a certain amount of just singing. 743 00:46:43,593 --> 00:46:45,637 I still, I will just... 744 00:46:47,013 --> 00:46:48,389 be sitting outside somewhere, 745 00:46:48,389 --> 00:46:50,934 and getting eaten up by mosquitoes, 746 00:46:51,226 --> 00:46:54,229 and start singing "Black Flies" to myself. 747 00:46:54,229 --> 00:46:55,647 Because you sang-- 748 00:46:55,897 --> 00:46:57,732 - ♪ The little black flies ♪ - Yeah. 749 00:46:57,732 --> 00:47:00,818 ♪ Always the black flies no matter where you go ♪ 750 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:04,072 ♪ Die with the black flies picking your bones ♪ 751 00:47:04,364 --> 00:47:08,117 - Yeah. - ♪ In North Ontario, ♪ 752 00:47:08,409 --> 00:47:10,995 ♪ In North Ontario ♪ 753 00:47:13,331 --> 00:47:14,874 As far as memories, 754 00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,502 it's just all the celebrations up here. 755 00:47:17,794 --> 00:47:18,795 Pretty well-known. 756 00:47:20,129 --> 00:47:23,049 We had the hot tub going, and there'd be a drum circle, 757 00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:25,718 and there'd just be people wandering around in the garden. 758 00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:31,015 Totally regret that I never kept a guestbook, 759 00:47:32,058 --> 00:47:34,435 or even a list of all the apprentices that were here, 760 00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,604 by year, by year, and all the visitors. 761 00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,606 I mean, it would be terrific. 762 00:47:38,606 --> 00:47:39,649 It would be a great book. 763 00:47:41,067 --> 00:47:42,652 But it never happened. 764 00:47:45,488 --> 00:47:48,366 It's all just in people's memory banks. 765 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:52,912 Hmm. 766 00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:25,570 Yeah, one more time! 767 00:48:26,779 --> 00:48:27,905 Okay. 768 00:48:29,073 --> 00:48:31,659 We're kind of at a culminating moment 769 00:48:31,659 --> 00:48:33,202 of two years of work. 770 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:37,040 Two Marches ago was when this fire occurred 771 00:48:37,332 --> 00:48:38,499 that really took out the jeweled-- 772 00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:40,335 cen-- the crown jewel of the entirety 773 00:48:40,335 --> 00:48:42,503 of Mountain Gardens, the library, apothecary, 774 00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:44,130 kitchen, gathering space, 775 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:45,548 common area, classroom, 776 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,593 all-purpose centerpiece to the whole property. 777 00:48:48,885 --> 00:48:50,762 So this amazing crew of ten professionals 778 00:48:51,054 --> 00:48:55,141 has showed up today to really just see this through 779 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:57,644 to a clean and succinct ending, 780 00:48:57,644 --> 00:49:00,688 so that Joe has his library back. 781 00:49:00,688 --> 00:49:04,484 Mountain Gardens has its real center of gravity returned. 782 00:49:08,196 --> 00:49:10,615 And I don't know, like, 783 00:49:10,907 --> 00:49:13,284 primarily it's just, like, I saw-- 784 00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:15,036 I've seen Joe for all of five minutes this morning, 785 00:49:15,036 --> 00:49:16,954 but I saw, like, the look on his face 786 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:19,499 when he saw what we all see, 787 00:49:19,499 --> 00:49:21,042 that this is gonna be done today. 788 00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:29,634 You know, after seeing you, Kevin, it's pioneer Kevin. 789 00:49:29,634 --> 00:49:32,095 - Right on. For the most part. - Thank you, everyone. 790 00:49:32,095 --> 00:49:33,680 - Hey, Joe. Thank you. - Yeah, I appreciate it. 791 00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,932 Thank you. 792 00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:38,059 This is like a dream. 793 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,687 - Now. - My pleasure. 794 00:50:06,629 --> 00:50:09,799 We're gonna have a Zoom call? 795 00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:12,635 We're gonna have a Zoom call with Lee. 796 00:50:12,635 --> 00:50:14,971 No, it's not. 797 00:50:15,263 --> 00:50:16,556 - No, it's not. - It's Caroline. 798 00:50:18,641 --> 00:50:20,601 {\an8} 799 00:50:20,601 --> 00:50:21,978 {\an8} 800 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:24,480 {\an8}- Hello? Is this Joe? 801 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,940 {\an8}Yes, it is. 802 00:50:26,232 --> 00:50:29,485 How can I be of support to you? 803 00:50:29,485 --> 00:50:31,821 I've got, uh, maybe a month to live, 804 00:50:32,113 --> 00:50:33,322 maybe not quite. 805 00:50:33,906 --> 00:50:35,408 So I'm-- 806 00:50:36,492 --> 00:50:40,288 Um, I'm working with a book called, Preparing to Die. 807 00:50:41,205 --> 00:50:46,586 This one is very much following the Tibetan tradition. 808 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:49,088 Do you have familiarity 809 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:50,590 with Tibetan Buddhism? 810 00:50:50,882 --> 00:50:51,883 No, I do not. 811 00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:54,177 So I'm in deep water. 812 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,596 I'm just trying to work my way through it. 813 00:50:57,930 --> 00:51:00,016 When we no longer-- 814 00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:02,560 when consciousness and karma, that is what is gonna travel. 815 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,562 - Right. - When that no longer 816 00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:07,899 is of body, it can be very confusing. 817 00:51:07,899 --> 00:51:09,358 Yes, I gather. 818 00:51:09,609 --> 00:51:11,235 Yes, and you might be experiencing 819 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:12,904 some of that confusion now, 820 00:51:12,904 --> 00:51:15,072 as the elements are dissolving in your body. 821 00:51:15,948 --> 00:51:18,701 Yeah, I find myself getting weaker every day. 822 00:51:20,036 --> 00:51:22,497 What the-- the Tibetan Book of the Dead 823 00:51:22,789 --> 00:51:27,001 is telling us is that if we are, um, 824 00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:30,713 experiencing anything other than loving kindness 825 00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:32,423 and compassion, 826 00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:36,719 it's a projection of the mind, the mind that is traveling. 827 00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:40,848 Okay, so any time from now until the time 828 00:51:40,848 --> 00:51:43,601 you take your last gross breath, 829 00:51:44,143 --> 00:51:47,939 any time that you're fearful or angry or irritated, 830 00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:49,690 if your mind allows, 831 00:51:49,982 --> 00:51:52,527 you'll recognize that it's a projection. 832 00:51:52,527 --> 00:51:55,238 As soon as you recognize that it is a projection, 833 00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:56,864 you're liberated from it. 834 00:51:58,115 --> 00:51:59,659 - Yes, that's very good. - Okay? 835 00:51:59,909 --> 00:52:03,329 And-- but in truth, I'm not having any such feelings. 836 00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:05,498 - Okay, good. - I've-- I have a terrific 837 00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:07,708 - support group. - Good. 838 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,794 And we're having a lot, we're really enjoying-- 839 00:52:10,086 --> 00:52:13,756 I've-- the last week or so has been some of the best days 840 00:52:14,048 --> 00:52:15,591 of my life since Covid. 841 00:52:15,591 --> 00:52:17,009 Oh, that's wonderful. 842 00:52:17,009 --> 00:52:18,678 Yeah, so I'm really good on that front. 843 00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:20,054 How are you experiencing it? 844 00:52:21,389 --> 00:52:23,724 I've been saying for several years to people 845 00:52:23,724 --> 00:52:26,143 that I'm ready to die. 846 00:52:27,103 --> 00:52:30,314 That my quality of life has deteriorated very badly. 847 00:52:30,606 --> 00:52:31,983 - And-- - Uh-huh. 848 00:52:31,983 --> 00:52:35,111 And the news, global, poli-- national, 849 00:52:35,403 --> 00:52:37,405 w-- ecological, whatever, 850 00:52:37,405 --> 00:52:40,491 all the news is exceedingly gloomy, 851 00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:43,619 with no signs that anything's gonna get any better. 852 00:52:44,495 --> 00:52:48,374 So, yeah, I'd be just as happy to leave, to not come back. 853 00:52:48,791 --> 00:52:50,543 Right. 854 00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:53,546 But I'd be torn, because I love the planet so much, you know. 855 00:52:53,546 --> 00:52:55,590 - I know. I know. - It's so beautiful. 856 00:52:56,424 --> 00:52:59,302 Hard to tear yourself away from all this beauty. 857 00:54:18,464 --> 00:54:21,634 Apparently, you're gonna get the total, uh, clearance. 858 00:54:21,926 --> 00:54:24,220 So, this is Peace Corps training in Hawaii. 859 00:54:25,346 --> 00:54:27,473 Uh, we were there for three months. 860 00:54:31,394 --> 00:54:33,187 That looks like Mount Kinabalu. 861 00:54:33,604 --> 00:54:34,772 That was up in Sabah. 862 00:54:35,064 --> 00:54:36,565 I went there for a vacation one time. 863 00:54:37,483 --> 00:54:39,443 It's the highest mountain for, like, a million miles 864 00:54:39,735 --> 00:54:41,320 - in every direction. - Oh, wow. 865 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,780 It just sticks up in the middle of Borneo. 866 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:48,244 Just wait for this mountain explorer photo coming up. 867 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,371 Pardon me? 868 00:54:50,371 --> 00:54:51,580 Oh, you'll see. 869 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,709 - Wow. - Yeah. 870 00:54:55,001 --> 00:54:57,128 That's awesome, huh? 871 00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:00,965 And me, and our guide. 872 00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:06,137 Oh, this guy's a Punan. 873 00:55:06,762 --> 00:55:08,264 So, they're totally nomadic. 874 00:55:08,264 --> 00:55:09,598 They live out in the woods. 875 00:55:10,391 --> 00:55:12,643 They're almost extinct. 876 00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:15,896 Lots of effort's been made to save them. 877 00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:17,606 They're very... 878 00:55:17,898 --> 00:55:20,526 out with blowpipes, and do all interesting things. 879 00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:24,321 So, uh, they don't have clocks or watches or calendars. 880 00:55:30,828 --> 00:55:32,621 And I don't know what that's about. 881 00:55:32,621 --> 00:55:34,707 That is not Malay architecture. 882 00:55:34,707 --> 00:55:36,417 I believe that said Bangkok. 883 00:55:36,917 --> 00:55:39,045 Yeah, it sure looks like Bangkok. 884 00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:42,673 But I don't even remember going to Bangkok. 885 00:55:44,633 --> 00:55:45,676 - Nobody does. - Yeah. 886 00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:47,970 Nobody remembers goin' to Bangkok. 887 00:55:49,472 --> 00:55:51,057 So, this is a church there. 888 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:53,184 - Wow. - The Catholic Church, 889 00:55:53,476 --> 00:55:54,935 the, uh, bishop there, 890 00:55:55,561 --> 00:55:57,188 was a huge supporter of the arts. 891 00:55:58,022 --> 00:56:00,733 And he hired the very best artists. 892 00:56:02,068 --> 00:56:03,527 But that's their art style. 893 00:56:06,072 --> 00:56:07,323 And it shows up in everything. 894 00:56:07,615 --> 00:56:10,034 That beadwork in my house, my tattoos. 895 00:56:10,326 --> 00:56:11,285 Amazing. 896 00:56:24,673 --> 00:56:25,716 That's everything. 897 00:56:26,467 --> 00:56:28,219 - That's it? - That's it. 898 00:56:28,219 --> 00:56:30,262 All right. 899 00:56:30,262 --> 00:56:31,555 Thank you, thank you. 900 00:56:32,223 --> 00:56:34,475 - Oh. Yeah. - That was great. 901 00:56:34,475 --> 00:56:35,684 Yeah, that's really cool. 902 00:56:36,602 --> 00:56:38,687 Oh, I have some really great news tonight. 903 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:42,066 So, that whole river was going to be flooded. 904 00:56:43,484 --> 00:56:45,444 Every one of those villages would have been gone. 905 00:56:46,362 --> 00:56:49,865 Uh, it's this international scheme that goes on with dams. 906 00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:51,367 And here, too. 907 00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:52,618 And it's happening all over the world. 908 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:54,537 And it's always the most primitive examples 909 00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:55,871 who really will table it. 910 00:56:56,163 --> 00:56:57,289 Who get it. 911 00:56:58,332 --> 00:57:00,126 It's been going on for, like, 20 years. 912 00:57:00,126 --> 00:57:01,585 - Wow. - All these primitive 913 00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:04,213 people are standing, trying to do roadblocks. 914 00:57:04,213 --> 00:57:05,506 - You know? - Wow. 915 00:57:05,798 --> 00:57:07,216 And it's lost, they've now lost it. 916 00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,301 And meanwhile, they're logging away. 917 00:57:09,301 --> 00:57:11,595 And so there's this huge timber company 918 00:57:11,595 --> 00:57:13,681 called Samling International. 919 00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:16,976 And they're the ones that are chopping everything down. 920 00:57:16,976 --> 00:57:20,521 And, uh, Save Our Rivers is really fighting back. 921 00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:24,733 And I got an email this morning that they won the suit. 922 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,027 Yeah. 923 00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:28,654 - Wow. - Yeah! 924 00:57:28,654 --> 00:57:30,406 - So great. - That's awesome. 925 00:57:30,406 --> 00:57:32,241 Yeah, I mean, that'll change everything. 926 00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:34,702 Only 'cause if one place can do it. 927 00:57:34,702 --> 00:57:35,953 - Yeah. - You know? 928 00:57:36,412 --> 00:57:38,122 But it'll get a lot of international attention. 929 00:57:38,414 --> 00:57:40,249 It'll be in The New York Times, that court case. 930 00:57:40,249 --> 00:57:41,542 Hmm, wow. 931 00:57:41,834 --> 00:57:43,252 There was reporters from all over the world. 932 00:57:44,086 --> 00:57:46,130 It breaks me up. 933 00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:48,799 - Aww! - I'm just very, very happy. 934 00:57:50,301 --> 00:57:51,343 - That's good. - Yeah. 935 00:58:00,019 --> 00:58:02,646 ♪ I love my love ♪ 936 00:58:02,646 --> 00:58:05,524 ♪ And, well, he knows ♪ 937 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,278 ♪ I love the ground ♪ 938 00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:13,616 ♪ Whereon he goes ♪ 939 00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:17,620 ♪ If you know more ♪ 940 00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:20,915 ♪ On Earth I see ♪ 941 00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:25,252 ♪ I can't serve you ♪ 942 00:58:25,669 --> 00:58:29,381 ♪ As you have me ♪ 943 00:58:29,381 --> 00:58:31,967 ♪ But still I hope ♪ 944 00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:35,971 ♪ The day will come ♪ 945 00:58:35,971 --> 00:58:39,391 ♪ When you and I ♪ 946 00:58:39,892 --> 00:58:44,855 ♪ Shall be as one ♪ 947 00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:48,400 ♪ I go to the Clyde ♪ 948 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,445 ♪ For to mourn and weep ♪ 949 00:58:52,905 --> 00:58:55,115 ♪ So dissatisfied ♪ 950 00:58:55,407 --> 00:58:59,328 ♪ I never could sleep ♪ 951 00:59:00,371 --> 00:59:02,748 ♪ I'll write for you ♪ 952 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,459 ♪ A few short lines ♪ 953 00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:09,880 ♪ And I'd suffer death ♪ 954 00:59:10,172 --> 00:59:13,759 ♪ Ten thousand times ♪ 955 00:59:15,094 --> 00:59:18,347 ♪ So fare thee well ♪ 956 00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:21,308 ♪ My own true love ♪ 957 00:59:22,685 --> 00:59:25,312 ♪ Our time has passed ♪ 958 00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:29,858 ♪ And I wish you well ♪ 959 00:59:30,859 --> 00:59:33,612 ♪ But still I hope ♪ 960 00:59:33,904 --> 00:59:36,532 ♪ The day will come ♪ 961 00:59:37,491 --> 00:59:41,036 ♪ When you and I ♪ 962 00:59:41,328 --> 00:59:44,748 ♪ Shall be as one ♪ 963 00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:50,129 ♪ I love my love ♪ 964 00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:53,173 ♪ And well, he knows ♪ 965 00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:57,845 ♪ I love the ground ♪ 966 00:59:58,137 --> 01:00:03,892 ♪ Whereon he goes ♪ 967 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:07,021 ♪ With the prettiest face ♪ 968 01:00:07,021 --> 01:00:11,150 ♪ And the neatest hands ♪ 969 01:00:12,651 --> 01:00:17,156 ♪ I love the ground ♪ 970 01:00:17,656 --> 01:00:22,995 ♪ Whereon he stands ♪ 971 01:00:57,988 --> 01:00:59,823 Digging a grave is just this... 972 01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:06,580 expression of care that I've never really had 973 01:01:06,872 --> 01:01:08,582 the opportunity to put out into the world, 974 01:01:08,874 --> 01:01:10,834 or towards someone I cared about like that. 975 01:01:12,628 --> 01:01:14,505 At this moment, it's just so clear to me 976 01:01:14,797 --> 01:01:19,301 how entangled my personal world is with Joe's existence. 977 01:01:20,386 --> 01:01:21,887 I know he's always wanted to make things seem 978 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:23,680 accessible to people, 979 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,391 see this place as an example of something 980 01:01:25,391 --> 01:01:27,976 that they could take into their own paradigm 981 01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,646 or life goals or whatever they want, 982 01:01:30,938 --> 01:01:33,774 but I don't think he knows how much that means 983 01:01:34,066 --> 01:01:38,153 to give someone a better sense of their own belonging. 984 01:01:38,445 --> 01:01:41,824 Like, that's as much as a person can offer another person. 985 01:01:42,574 --> 01:01:43,617 It's sad. 986 01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:46,412 I've cried so much in the last two months, 987 01:01:46,412 --> 01:01:48,288 more than I have in the last two years, 988 01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:49,540 and, uh... 989 01:01:50,916 --> 01:01:55,129 I am going to miss him so much. 990 01:02:02,511 --> 01:02:04,430 So much gratitude though, like... 991 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,186 ...yeah, just, like, 992 01:02:11,478 --> 01:02:13,564 an un-- unfathomable amount of gratitude. 993 01:02:32,708 --> 01:02:35,711 Getting to watch someone receive visitors, 994 01:02:36,003 --> 01:02:37,337 and spend lovely time, 995 01:02:37,629 --> 01:02:39,715 and have final conversations, 996 01:02:39,715 --> 01:02:41,717 um, getting to witness that, 997 01:02:41,717 --> 01:02:43,260 uh, it's pretty beautiful. 998 01:02:43,552 --> 01:02:45,387 Getting to actually say goodbye is pretty beautiful, 999 01:02:45,387 --> 01:02:46,555 while someone's still here. 1000 01:02:50,184 --> 01:02:52,227 I love the idea that I keep hearing 1001 01:02:52,227 --> 01:02:55,606 in every sort of version of what happens after, 1002 01:02:55,898 --> 01:02:57,566 about there being a bright light. 1003 01:02:57,566 --> 01:02:59,485 For-- like, it's Poltergeist taught me that. 1004 01:02:59,485 --> 01:03:01,028 Like, "Go to the light, go to the light." 1005 01:03:02,946 --> 01:03:04,615 But I don't know what happens after. 1006 01:03:04,615 --> 01:03:06,909 Um, I like to see how content he is 1007 01:03:07,451 --> 01:03:08,994 about his place, and that it's coming, 1008 01:03:08,994 --> 01:03:10,078 and that he's ready for it. 1009 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,503 Such a beautiful fall. 1010 01:03:18,045 --> 01:03:21,131 To be buried in the fall, it-- it seems perfect. 1011 01:03:23,759 --> 01:03:25,260 You know, the leaves fall, 1012 01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:27,095 and then you can fall into the ground. 1013 01:03:30,891 --> 01:03:34,436 I mean, we-- we're only here for a short period of time 1014 01:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,522 in the scheme of things, 1015 01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:38,649 you know, so we might as well 1016 01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:42,069 make the best of the time that we have. 1017 01:03:42,778 --> 01:03:46,657 And-- and I think what's happened here 1018 01:03:46,657 --> 01:03:49,743 at Mountain Gardens is-- is kind of remarkable. 1019 01:03:50,577 --> 01:03:52,412 And it's just gonna keep living on. 1020 01:04:01,672 --> 01:04:03,966 I think, like, the timeless quality of death 1021 01:04:03,966 --> 01:04:05,634 is probably just that. 1022 01:04:05,634 --> 01:04:07,803 It's, like, timelessness, 1023 01:04:09,012 --> 01:04:10,514 you're no longer bound by time, 1024 01:04:10,806 --> 01:04:11,932 and... 1025 01:04:12,641 --> 01:04:15,018 probably experiencing a great amount of freedom in that. 1026 01:04:16,812 --> 01:04:18,605 That seems kinda beautiful to me. 1027 01:04:18,605 --> 01:04:20,357 It occurs to me all the time that we're just, like, 1028 01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:22,526 trapped in time, and, like, 1029 01:04:22,818 --> 01:04:24,444 worried about time running out. 1030 01:04:25,112 --> 01:04:26,530 All that scarcity, 1031 01:04:26,822 --> 01:04:30,284 all that fear of dying, and aging, and losing, 1032 01:04:30,993 --> 01:04:34,580 and that seems like the point where we become un-trapped. 1033 01:04:41,503 --> 01:04:44,298 {\an8} 1034 01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:54,808 This one's about death. 1035 01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:59,438 I'm currently reading this from the "Ultimate Ancestor" chapter. 1036 01:05:00,772 --> 01:05:03,984 I take refuge in the, uh, 1037 01:05:05,235 --> 01:05:06,945 Taoist attitude towards death. 1038 01:05:07,988 --> 01:05:09,031 Um... 1039 01:05:10,991 --> 01:05:14,453 Uh, and death is fairly imminent for me at this point in time. 1040 01:05:16,705 --> 01:05:20,250 And this is my bulwark, so to speak. 1041 01:05:23,378 --> 01:05:26,256 "Wonderful, how the Maker of Things is turning me 1042 01:05:26,256 --> 01:05:29,676 into this crumpled thing. 1043 01:05:29,676 --> 01:05:32,596 He hunches my back. 1044 01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:34,973 He hunches me, and sticks out my back. 1045 01:05:36,892 --> 01:05:40,395 The five pipes of the spine run up above my head, 1046 01:05:40,395 --> 01:05:43,649 and my chin hides down in my navel. 1047 01:05:43,649 --> 01:05:46,360 My shoulders are higher than my crown, 1048 01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:50,822 and a knobbly bone in my neck points up at the sky. 1049 01:05:51,782 --> 01:05:54,576 The energies of yin and yang are all awry. 1050 01:05:55,827 --> 01:05:58,538 His heart was at ease, and he had nothing to do. 1051 01:05:59,748 --> 01:06:03,543 He tottered out to look at his reflection in the well. 1052 01:06:04,586 --> 01:06:08,173 Ugh, the Master of Things still goes on turning me 1053 01:06:08,173 --> 01:06:09,883 into this crumpled thing. 1054 01:06:11,009 --> 01:06:12,052 Do you hate it? 1055 01:06:13,345 --> 01:06:14,846 No, why should I hate it? 1056 01:06:14,846 --> 01:06:17,307 Little by little, he'll borrow my left arm 1057 01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:20,143 to transform it into a cock. 1058 01:06:21,687 --> 01:06:23,480 And it will be while I am listening 1059 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,440 to the cock crow at dawn. 1060 01:06:26,525 --> 01:06:28,777 Little by little, he'll borrow my right arm 1061 01:06:29,736 --> 01:06:32,114 to transform it into a crossbow. 1062 01:06:33,615 --> 01:06:35,659 And it will be while I am waiting 1063 01:06:35,659 --> 01:06:37,369 for a roasted owl for dinner. 1064 01:06:38,662 --> 01:06:41,707 Little by little, he'll borrow and transform 1065 01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:46,086 my buttocks into wheels, my demon into a horse. 1066 01:06:46,378 --> 01:06:48,630 And they'll be there for me to ride. 1067 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:51,341 I'll never have to harness a team again. 1068 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,886 Besides, to get life 1069 01:06:54,886 --> 01:06:56,430 is to be on time, 1070 01:06:56,430 --> 01:06:59,599 and to lose it is to be on course." 1071 01:07:13,989 --> 01:07:14,865 ♪ My dearest dear, ♪ 1072 01:07:15,157 --> 01:07:18,410 ♪ The time draws near ♪ 1073 01:07:18,952 --> 01:07:21,955 ♪ When you and I must part ♪ 1074 01:07:22,914 --> 01:07:27,919 ♪ And no one knows the inner grief ♪ 1075 01:07:28,462 --> 01:07:31,923 ♪ Of my poor aching heart ♪ 1076 01:07:32,758 --> 01:07:37,053 ♪ Or what I've suffered for your sake, ♪ 1077 01:07:37,763 --> 01:07:41,266 ♪ The one I love so dear ♪ 1078 01:07:42,267 --> 01:07:47,105 ♪ I wish that I could go with you ♪ 1079 01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:50,567 ♪ Or you might tarry here ♪ 1080 01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:56,698 ♪ I wished your breast was made of glass ♪ 1081 01:07:57,157 --> 01:08:00,410 ♪ And in it I'd behold ♪ 1082 01:08:00,869 --> 01:08:05,165 ♪ My name in secret I would write ♪ 1083 01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:08,877 ♪ In letters of bright gold ♪ 1084 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,382 ♪ My name in secret I would write ♪ 1085 01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:18,303 ♪ Believe me when I say ♪ 1086 01:08:19,179 --> 01:08:23,558 ♪ You are the man that I'll love best ♪ 1087 01:08:24,184 --> 01:08:27,479 ♪ Unto my dying day ♪ 1088 01:08:28,939 --> 01:08:33,985 ♪ And when you're on some distant shore ♪ 1089 01:08:34,694 --> 01:08:38,365 ♪ Think on your absent friend ♪ 1090 01:08:39,157 --> 01:08:44,037 ♪ And when the wind blows high and clear ♪ 1091 01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:48,291 ♪ A line to me, pray send ♪ 1092 01:08:49,543 --> 01:08:54,506 ♪ And when the wind blows high and clear ♪ 1093 01:08:55,173 --> 01:08:58,760 ♪ Pray send it, love, to me ♪ 1094 01:08:59,719 --> 01:09:04,933 ♪ That I might know by your hand-write ♪ 1095 01:09:05,517 --> 01:09:09,771 ♪ How times has gone with thee ♪ 1096 01:09:50,353 --> 01:09:51,479 {\an8} 1097 01:09:51,771 --> 01:09:54,149 {\an8}♪ Just a few more weary days ♪ 1098 01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:59,779 {\an8}♪ And then I'll fly away ♪ 1099 01:10:00,572 --> 01:10:05,285 {\an8}♪ To a land where joy shall never end ♪ 1100 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:09,873 {\an8}♪ I'll fly away ♪ 1101 01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:14,085 {\an8}♪ I'll fly away ♪ 1102 01:10:14,377 --> 01:10:15,921 {\an8}♪ Oh, glory ♪ 1103 01:10:15,921 --> 01:10:19,341 {\an8}♪ I'll fly away ♪ 1104 01:10:19,341 --> 01:10:20,967 {\an8}♪ In the morning ♪ 1105 01:10:21,259 --> 01:10:23,511 {\an8}♪ When I die ♪ 1106 01:10:23,511 --> 01:10:26,097 {\an8}♪ Hallelujah, by and by ♪ 1107 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:35,482 {\an8}♪ I'll fly away ♪ 1108 01:10:35,482 --> 01:10:37,359 {\an8}♪ Oh, glory ♪ 1109 01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,820 {\an8}♪ I'll fly away ♪ 1110 01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:42,530 {\an8}♪ In the morning ♪ 1111 01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:44,991 {\an8}♪ When I die ♪ 1112 01:10:44,991 --> 01:10:48,119 {\an8}♪ Hallelujah, by and by ♪ 1113 01:10:48,828 --> 01:10:53,792 {\an8}♪ ♪I'll fly away