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You wanna go to that place, Chris?
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I got the other in that bag?
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Now we have to choose one, so...
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Yeah, alright.
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Let's do that.
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Alright, alright, alright,
never mind, this one is...
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Go ahead. Play Slide. Whatever.
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No way.
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No way. That song sucks.
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This'll be sad to hear.
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No way.
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That song's stupid.
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That song is really stupid.
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OK, next part,
what do I do in the intro?
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I dunno, why don't we do it
out front on the porch.
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OK, after that plane passes.
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I'm Steve Malkmus,
singer of the group.
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Here in Portland, Oregon...
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Pretty close to the airport here.
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- That's quite a plane.
- Yeah.
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Yeah, it's pretty loud.
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Not really fair to the people
that live here.
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It's pretty loud. Not really fair
to the people that live here.
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I guess we are pretty close.
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- Yeah, it's good for travel.
- Yeah.
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- I wouldn't mind...
- I wouldn't mind living out here.
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...living out here.
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Ready?
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OK, thanks, a lot for now.
That's it.
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In the middle of the fuckin'
amazing America...
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Oy!
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Oy! That was fuckin' brilliant!
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What did I tell you?
Here we are, Pavement.
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I'm sure that you are surprised,
but in fact it is true.
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Pull up a chair,
open the windows,
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and turn off the lights.
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Three and a four and...
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♪ Her mom's basement in Stockton,
California...
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♪ I've been waiting
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♪ Anticipating
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♪ The sun comes up
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♪ The blisters burn my soul
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♪ I've dreamt of this
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♪ But it never comes
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♪ But it never comes
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♪ The rising!
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- ♪ The rising!
- ♪ The rising!
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♪ Nature's dry
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♪ Faux
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We're not trying
to stay underground or trying to be big,
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we're just...
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existing.
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♪ Sun comes up
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♪ The sky won't sink my soul
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♪ Dreamin'
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♪ Of something now
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♪ Of the rising!
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♪ Nature's dry
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♪ All the groovy ones ♪
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A lotta bands of the '90s sold out.
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They're the best band of the '90s,
hands-down.
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When they announced their tour,
he called me crying
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And like,
"Mom, they just announced it."
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and he was crying, and I'm crying!
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The cosmology has been missing
a Godhead,
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and I really feel
that Pavement fulfills it.
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There's sort of a life
of any idea.
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There's limits
that you can't transcend... naturally.
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I always was hoping
that it was music for the future.
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You know, I mean, I think everyone
who's not that successful in their time
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tries to think that.
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Well done, Pavement, well done.
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You're really on the ball.
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Muchas gracias,
thank you.
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Logan Miller, 5'6",
reading for the role of Mark Ibold.
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Hey I'm Fred Hechinger, I'm reading
for the role of Bob Nastanovich.
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For Range Life.
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Thank you.
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Let's go.
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Yeah, what if we just... do our own thing?
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I mean we're more comfortable
at a CBGB's, Maxwell's, Pyramid Club...
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Should we go? Lemme go back.
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Soon as they notice the little indie bands
make a little money,
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all they want to do is just...
make them make a little more money.
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Right, OK?
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I'm Joe Keery.
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I'm 5'11".
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I live in New York City, and I'll be
auditioning for Stephen Malkmus.
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Is this what it's all gonna become?
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Bands like us doing ginormous
corporate commercial things?
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It's entirely possible.
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What a bummer.
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And now, right here on our stage tonight,
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The Beatles!
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That was jolly good!
Jolly good.
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Give me some Guns N' Roses,
'cause I like the...
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- Hi, guys!
- Hi!
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- On the green?
- Yeah!
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Yes, my name is Justise Hayward.
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26 years old.
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- Live in Brooklyn.
- Yes!
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What song are you gonna sing?
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- Gold Soundz.
- OK.
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- Yes, yes, yes.
- Try it.
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Let me figure which pitch I'm gonna do.
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Yeah take your time,
whenever you're ready.
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Go back to those gold soundz
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And keep my advent to your self
Because it's nothing I don't like
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I keep my address to yourself
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'Cause we need secrets
We need secrets
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Right now
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- Nice.
- Thank you.
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I believe that these songs
can transcend their original form.
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And I believe that because I love Pavement
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and I love musical theater.
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♪ Honey, I'm a prize and you're a catch
And we're a perfect match ♪
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And I thought,
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"Hey wouldn't it be funny
to take all these Pavement songs,
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"slacker songs, alternative,
whatever you want to call it, ironic,
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"put them into the most sincere
art form possible:
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"musical theater.
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- "See if it works."
- ♪ ...right now ♪
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- Thank you. Yeah.
- So much. Thank you.
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We've got your info.
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- Are you a Pavement fan?
- Huge fan. It's the only reason I'm here.
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I had to see what you guys were doing.
It sounds incredible.
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- Does it make sense now?
- Yeah!
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- I was like, "Is this a prank?"
- No.
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So we go one, two, three...
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I went to see a lot of musicals
in research for this,
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I watched American Idiot,
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The Green Day one,
I watched Alanis Morissette.
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I watched Almost Famous ,
I watched Fame .
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I liked this girl, I mean,
she's very, like, musical theater.
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Is she the one that kinda like...?
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She was like pumping her heel
when she was singing.
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I don't know, can all these guys tap?
We might have to...
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There's enough tappers in that group.
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The cymbal's nice, too.
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♪ See those rockers
With their long curly locks
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♪ We don't need you anymore ♪
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I feel like I'm louder
than everybody sometimes.
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I get that a lot of times too at home.
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We gotta get it going a little faster.
Let's practice your part, Scott.
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The biggest thing on everyone's mind right
now is how's this rehearsal gonna go?
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What songs are we gonna play?
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Speaking for myself,
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I'm very excited about
playing all these songs again.
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You know, thrilled to do it.
I love playing Pavement shows.
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We get to practice for about ten days.
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And then five more days.
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Pavement is gonna utilize
a sixth member for the first time ever.
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We have Rebecca Cole in our band now.
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The more people you play to,
you have to be a little more...
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You can't screw around as much.
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♪ C'mon in.
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♪ Let's go!
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♪ Grave architecture
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♪ Walk the marble malls
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♪ The monuments to those who fall
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♪ And it's a pocket less than
Narco shell-bit... ♪
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Some the critics and fans
say that you will save rock 'n roll.
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- Can you agree with that?
- Yeah, great.
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- We already have.
- Well, yeah, I think...
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It's a hard burden, but we'll save it.
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We could do that one.
People would like that one, I think.
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But I gotta remember how it goes.
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Yeah, well, actually I met Steve
on a soccer team when I was ten years old.
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He was kinda the brat of the neighborhood,
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and I was the black sheep
of the neighborhood, so...
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We kind of bonded a little bit because
he used to tease me and I'd beat him up.
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Every year about this time
Stockton community leaders put together
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three weeks worth of fun and games
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brought to a climax by a giant parade
through the streets of downtown Stockton.
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♪ Every building same height
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♪ Every street a straight line
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♪ Team colors, yellow and blue ♪
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As it is,
we're from suburban California,
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and I think our music
has that kind of second-hand distance,
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reflected in suburban culture
where everything is slightly artificial.
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There's always gonna be
that Stockton chip on your shoulder.
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We're gritty, and of course
I'm like a bougie dude or whatever,
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but at least I'm from Stockton, you know?
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We're from the Cleveland of California.
And this is Fin.
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Biologists in Stockton, California,
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have released reports
focusing on that trance-like state.
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♪ And nothing ever happens
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♪ Nothing ever happens here ♪
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Stephen and many of the others
were responsible students
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but I cared more about
going to see bands
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and working in a record store,
driving a bus, and washing dishes.
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Hello. Everyone out there,
you're listening to WTJU,
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91.1 FM. My name is Stephen...
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We're all the same age,
more of less, and so...
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we were listening to the same things.
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Bands like Swell Maps,
Wire, Pere Ubu, Sonic Youth and
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- Butthole Surfers...
- I like Can a lot.
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Weird like
Captain Beefhearty-type stuff.
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My Bloody Valentine was a big one.
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Creedence and Devo are
kind of a mix between these two bands.
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- Alex Chilton.
- A lot of S.S.T.
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I used to always think
he sounded like Buffalo Tom.
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The Smiths and The Cure.
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I think I was a little more
of a punk guy.
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- Black Flag.
- Mixed with The Doors,
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and Creedence, and Velvets.
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The Verlaines
and The Chills and Cyclops.
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Sneaky Feelings.
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One of the greatest rock bands
of all time, The Clean...
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Real fans, like us,
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bought the 12-inches as they came out.
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Scott was
the Echo the Bunnymen guy.
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Like The Replacements,
he knew about before me.
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The Flying Nun stuff
I never would have heard.
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We both liked Dinosaur Jr,
You're Living All Over Me.
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Everyone has to go through
that album but...
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we obviously mixed it pretty heavily
with The Fall.
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It took me a while--
To get even in college,
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I liked The Fall.
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I was sort of like not "the" Fall fan
at my school.
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I mean this is when I was a kid,
I kinda wanted to be cool.
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I was a bit of a poser. I still am.
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I was buying new wave punk,
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and I tried to listen to Elvis Costello,
didn't do it for me.
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I'd listen to The Jam, didn't do it.
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But then like X,
And The Specials' first album...
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Like the whole record collection
kinda melts
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into what you are.
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The music, you do as a...
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Some of it is you,
but 80% of it is like a fantasy
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of other people you like.
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♪ Some bands I like to name check
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♪ And one of them is R.E.M. ♪
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We had a noise band,
it was called Ectoslavia.
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Bob and David,
a couple of bros just from Richmond.
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And we fought a lot.
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♪ Success, it never comes ♪
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I can't remember
when I first heard them.
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Who first played them for me?
How I first got into them?
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But I was pretty young, I guess...
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Maybe my freshman year of college,
it must have been earlier.
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Some time in high school.
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They immediately became
one of my favorite bands.
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I was obsessed with Slanted and Enchanted.
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My first Pavement album
was on cassette...
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It was Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
and...
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it truly changed my life.
250
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I remember pouring over the liner notes so
I could learn every single esoteric lyric.
251
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Pavement's discography
is sort of like...
252
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I can mark where I was in my
pre-adolescence and adolescence and...
253
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You know, like college...
254
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I heard Pavement for the first time
six weeks ago.
255
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When I dove into the lyrics
and started learning them,
256
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all the songs weirdly reminded me a lot
of musicals,
257
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more than any other genre.
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♪ I'd like to invite you
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♪ To taste from my chalice
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♪ It's a special one
It's made of gold
261
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♪ Not real gold♪
262
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It was a question of how do we capture
this really specific tonality of
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Malkmus' lyrics and this group
of friends making music?
264
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And at first it was,
should we make it crazy and elevated
265
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and have everything be orchestral?
266
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But when you start getting in
to these open tunings,
267
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And then like purposefully out-of-tune
guitars in certain places?
268
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You start realizing how complicated
the songs actually are.
269
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And so I do think that, like,
putting it in the sanctity of a theater
270
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in that context is so brilliant.
271
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I love them so much,
I'd just do anything.
272
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I just didn't care even
whether it would work or not.
273
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♪ You're killing me
274
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♪ You're killing me again
275
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♪ It's not my fault
276
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♪ It's not my fault again
277
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The first song
is You're Killing Me .
278
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And that's the first song
that we ever recorded, too.
279
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Fitting choice for a first song.
280
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I just remember when we started,
we didn't want to have any bass guitar.
281
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We thought that that was
a radical thing at the time but...
282
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I suppose it's not that radical.
283
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The place has always
been called Weber Point,
284
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although until this year,
there hasn't been much to commemorate it.
285
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Now, civic leaders
have given us this rock.
286
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♪ ...deceitfully
287
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♪ She believed... ♪
288
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We went to this hippy dude's...
289
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I'll just call him a "hippy dude."
290
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Like earlier generation.
Yes is his favourite band.
291
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We just happened into his studio,
and he recorded those albums.
292
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So he was just the engineer,
293
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as the cheapest and the only one
that you could go to.
294
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I mean initially the thing was
we started the band,
295
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it was just going to be me and Scotty,
and Gary was going to be this...
296
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extra guy that's not even credited really.
297
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But he did contribute a lot.
298
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It started with the cover art
of the first record.
299
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I just made up
all this mumbo jumbo on there.
300
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Just made it weird.
301
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- People are a little confused.
- Yeah.
302
00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,019
What's up with S.M.
and Spiral Stairs?
303
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If it sucks, like,
no one will know it was us.
304
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Pavement members were re-tuning
305
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and they're gonna do another
song for you in just a moment.
306
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♪ Pa-pa-para-pa
307
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♪ Fuck you!
308
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♪ Pa-pa-para-pa...
309
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♪ Fuck you! ♪
310
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The original thing that we were
doing was deliberately trashy sounding
311
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in some ways 'cause I'd made
this record with these friends of mine,
312
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in Virginia, where we tried to sound nice,
and no one paid attention to it.
313
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So I decided I should make something
that sounded really awful.
314
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There might have also been
at the start, "Well...
315
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"you know, fuck you, we can't play."
That's cooler, you know?
316
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We're brats,
and, like, you don't have to play
317
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to make good music.
318
00:23:24,028 --> 00:23:25,029
Which you don't.
319
00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,031
Who came up
with the name Pavement?
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Scott.
321
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The other founding father,
Spiral Stairs,
322
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he arranged to press the record.
323
00:23:33,037 --> 00:23:36,040
He's the life blood of the band
in many ways.
324
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He bleeds Pavement.
325
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OK.
326
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Shall we?
327
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,012
A nice review in K was like
328
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great to us, or it's, like, the woman
from K says, "Your single's so great."
329
00:23:55,017 --> 00:23:59,021
Back in the day,
there was like a fanzine culture.
330
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:03,067
Fans, making their fanzines,
the same way we made the records.
331
00:24:03,067 --> 00:24:05,069
We got some validation there.
332
00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:07,989
You know,
Gerard Cosloy said he liked it.
333
00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:12,034
I hear you are one
of the keepers of the band's full history.
334
00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,036
- Did you...?
- I'm one of the guys.
335
00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:18,082
Did you ever think that
you would be here, in 1989?
336
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,003
I thought I'd maybe be
on this block in 1989,
337
00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:26,048
but certainly not in an installation
documenting the band's history,
338
00:24:26,048 --> 00:24:29,010
and their place
in the whole scope of things.
339
00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:30,052
No, I could not have imagined it.
340
00:24:30,094 --> 00:24:31,971
It looks incredible.
341
00:24:32,013 --> 00:24:34,056
Talk to me about
putting together this exhibit.
342
00:24:34,056 --> 00:24:37,977
You want to be as clever or as witty
as a Pavement song is.
343
00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:42,064
There's only a few bands
that have the intense fan base
344
00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:45,067
where every detail is worth scrutiny.
345
00:24:46,027 --> 00:24:49,071
And they were like,
"We're gonna tour again."
346
00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:52,074
It seemed like,
"Why shouldn't Pavement have a museum?"
347
00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:55,036
It's gonna be an outstanding autumn.
348
00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:58,039
They wanted to take the band
to the next level,
349
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,041
from being like this "hobby band"
350
00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:04,003
to being a band that actually tried
to assemble some sort of live show.
351
00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:06,005
Stephen's like, "Yeah, you have to come."
352
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:10,968
And one of the reasons I did is 'cause
I had a Chrysler LeBaron station wagon.
353
00:25:12,053 --> 00:25:14,013
Stephen sorta decided that...
354
00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:17,016
"You might have to play,
because I'm not really sure
355
00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:19,018
"how Gary is gonna handle this."
356
00:25:21,062 --> 00:25:22,063
♪ Slo-mo
357
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:26,984
♪ Got his hand stuck in the kitchen sink ♪
358
00:25:27,068 --> 00:25:30,071
I remember at first
Gary was concerned if this kid
359
00:25:30,071 --> 00:25:32,073
maybe knew how to play drums.
360
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:36,035
And I had to quickly convince him
that all I had to do was play,
361
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:39,080
that I was no threat
to his role in the band.
362
00:25:59,016 --> 00:26:03,980
♪ And the stories you hear
You know they never add up
363
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:08,067
♪ I hear the natives
Fussin' at the data chart
364
00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:12,029
♪ Be quiet, the weather's
On the night news ♪
365
00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:15,992
Effectively we're Pavement in Focus.
Welcome to the show.
366
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♪ Plastic cones, stolen rims
Are they alloy or chrome
367
00:26:21,998 --> 00:26:25,084
♪ Well, I've got style
Miles and miles
368
00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:29,046
♪ So much style that it's wasted
369
00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:33,050
♪ So much style that it's wasted
370
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:40,016
♪ So much style that it's wasted ♪
371
00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:52,987
I mean everybody wants to be considered
for these sort of things.
372
00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:57,033
People told me
I could kinda look like him.
373
00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:02,038
And... yeah, I guess...
374
00:27:02,997 --> 00:27:08,002
It's a good opportunity,
and I wanna try it out.
375
00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:12,965
It's good for my career,
maybe win an award for something.
376
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:18,054
And I don't know if--
I can't play Billy Joel.
377
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:20,056
Starts in the A,
then it goes to the F sharp,
378
00:27:20,056 --> 00:27:23,017
- And then you went to the G?
- Yeah, I was there.
379
00:27:23,017 --> 00:27:26,979
- OK, it sounds right.
- ♪ You will be my...
380
00:27:27,063 --> 00:27:29,023
♪ You will be my something
381
00:27:29,023 --> 00:27:33,069
♪ You will be my bedpan wipers
382
00:27:33,069 --> 00:27:36,072
♪ Junior-leaguer, candy-striper
383
00:27:37,031 --> 00:27:39,992
♪ Convalescent
Enema essence ♪
384
00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:41,035
Enema's in there.
385
00:27:41,035 --> 00:27:43,037
♪ Better to be gray
I live to be gray ♪
386
00:27:43,037 --> 00:27:46,040
That's how the hospital was that I was at.
387
00:27:46,082 --> 00:27:48,000
Yeah, mine too...
388
00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:53,047
Were you a kid in the '90s?
389
00:27:53,047 --> 00:27:54,048
Yeah!
390
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:57,009
We were a band called Pavement.
391
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,052
OK.
392
00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,054
We were big on MTV.
393
00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:01,055
Oh, yeah.
394
00:28:02,056 --> 00:28:04,016
They need to try harder.
395
00:28:04,058 --> 00:28:06,060
Yeah, yeah,
it's like they're not even trying!
396
00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:13,025
C'mon, I want you to start
over again, and this time try!
397
00:28:16,028 --> 00:28:18,030
C'mon, let's go!
Pick it up! C'mon! Here we go!
398
00:28:18,072 --> 00:28:21,075
One, two, three, four,
yeah, c'mon, rock!
399
00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:25,079
So, you're just on the kick drum
at the start of West's part?
400
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,959
There's a shake. Someone's doing...
Is there an egg?
401
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,043
There's an egg
through the whole song.
402
00:28:31,043 --> 00:28:35,089
Our first show was in Brunswick,
New Jersey at the Court Tavern.
403
00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:42,054
We lived in Hoboken.
404
00:28:42,096 --> 00:28:44,974
And the drummer,
and the guitar player Scott,
405
00:28:44,974 --> 00:28:46,058
they flew to our house.
406
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:51,021
I really hope that we rehearsed,
but you know what,
407
00:28:51,021 --> 00:28:52,064
I don't remember that either.
408
00:28:52,982 --> 00:28:55,985
Like I hope that the first concert
wasn't the rehearsal.
409
00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:02,032
♪ I was dressed for success ♪
410
00:29:02,032 --> 00:29:04,034
Second verse drop out.
411
00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:08,998
♪ And success it never comes
412
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,004
♪ I'm the only one who laughs
413
00:29:16,964 --> 00:29:19,967
- ♪ At your jokes when they are so bad ♪
- How can you brighten the corners?
414
00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:24,054
It's the one band--
I don't know how to talk about Pavement.
415
00:29:25,055 --> 00:29:29,018
I really cannot understand.
It's like talking about...
416
00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,062
Like it's its own life-force,
417
00:29:32,062 --> 00:29:35,024
like an underground reservoir
or something.
418
00:29:35,983 --> 00:29:37,067
Instead of being a band,
419
00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:41,071
it was its own world,
that you could feel that instantly.
420
00:29:42,031 --> 00:29:44,992
That this was symbolic of a bigger thing.
421
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,077
What do you mean they're down?
422
00:29:47,077 --> 00:29:49,997
How "down" are we talking?
423
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,999
Son of a bitch!
424
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,002
I'm trying to do the hair like Spiral.
425
00:29:55,002 --> 00:29:58,005
In the '90s, did you have any...
426
00:29:59,048 --> 00:30:01,008
facial tics?
427
00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:03,010
There must have been some facial tics.
428
00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:06,055
- Maybe that?
- Maybe that's one...
429
00:30:07,014 --> 00:30:08,015
How's that?
430
00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:10,059
I think our profiles are fairly similar.
431
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:13,062
OK, that kinda looks like something...
I see a little bit of the side of...
432
00:30:13,062 --> 00:30:17,066
Being in a musical biopic
is all I've ever dreamed of.
433
00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:21,028
I have auditioned for so many,
434
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:26,033
I mean we're talking Mötley Crüe,
we're talking Beach Boys,
435
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,035
Bob Dylan.
436
00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:29,995
I said...
437
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:33,999
Pavement's gonna be the one.
And here I am.
438
00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:37,044
I mean,
Malkmus is ridiculously skilled.
439
00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:40,047
I think it sort of benefited
440
00:30:40,047 --> 00:30:44,009
a great deal from his association
with David Berman,
441
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,971
which started at college.
442
00:30:47,012 --> 00:30:50,057
Everybody else can be good but also...
443
00:30:50,975 --> 00:30:52,017
Everybody has to work at it.
444
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:56,063
Bob sort of like becomes this glue
to the entire band so...
445
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,066
I think a big part of it was...
446
00:31:00,067 --> 00:31:03,028
audiences feeling like...
447
00:31:03,988 --> 00:31:06,073
the people up there were...
aren't so far away,
448
00:31:06,073 --> 00:31:08,993
that they're rooting
for them, and they care about them.
449
00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:13,080
Pavement supports lowering the price
of insulin for all.
450
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:22,047
That costs fuckin' eight dollars
in America, it's bullshit!
451
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:26,010
I went to the horse races with him,
we talked a lot about the band.
452
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:29,054
We played music and we just co-existed.
453
00:31:29,972 --> 00:31:34,018
I was very up front that
I didn't know how to play drums,
454
00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:40,024
and I also didn't have the time
to take any lessons.
455
00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,986
So for me it was really like
an exploration into, like,
456
00:31:44,028 --> 00:31:47,031
what is the soul of a drummer?
457
00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:49,992
You know, can I identify
the inner metronome
458
00:31:50,034 --> 00:31:51,076
of what defines a drummer,
459
00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:54,079
without ever having to identify the actual
460
00:31:54,997 --> 00:31:58,000
metronome of how someone
knows how to drum?
461
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,044
Here he is,
let's hear it for Stephen Malkmus!
462
00:32:00,044 --> 00:32:02,046
Aah! Music!
463
00:32:02,046 --> 00:32:05,049
He's Mr. Pavement,
wearing his Bernie shirt!
464
00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:06,050
Causing trouble!
465
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:10,054
They're like the slacker Rolling Stones
of the '90s.
466
00:32:11,055 --> 00:32:14,016
That was the thing that captured me,
467
00:32:14,975 --> 00:32:17,978
on Crooked Rain, it was the line,
468
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,064
"Hand me the drumstick."
469
00:32:21,023 --> 00:32:22,024
I was in.
470
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:24,068
Obviously we're telling a story about
Pavement,
471
00:32:24,068 --> 00:32:25,986
but it's the story about mankind.
472
00:32:26,028 --> 00:32:29,990
A story about human beings,
about the way we treat each other.
473
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:33,077
The dynamic of the band
was a pretty unique situation
474
00:32:33,077 --> 00:32:35,996
where there was the four and the one
475
00:32:36,038 --> 00:32:37,998
and...
476
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,001
it was isolating for me, 'cause I felt...
477
00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:46,006
You know, I was just being honest
in a lot of these situations and...
478
00:32:47,007 --> 00:32:49,009
Well, I guess I felt
a little misunderstood maybe.
479
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:51,053
♪ Slow it down
480
00:32:51,053 --> 00:32:53,013
♪ The song is sacred ♪
481
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:54,056
No, no.
482
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,017
Bam, bam.
483
00:32:57,017 --> 00:33:00,062
♪ Slow it down
The song is sacred ♪
484
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,986
There's an emotional current
that I connect to in Spiral,
485
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:10,072
and in his relationship
with Malkmus...
486
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:12,032
that...
487
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:16,036
When I talk about it...
488
00:33:17,037 --> 00:33:20,040
I can't help but just get
a little bit emotional.
489
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,083
You know?
490
00:33:22,084 --> 00:33:26,004
I feel it, I feel, I'm getting...
I'm getting angry!
491
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,048
I can't even tell if it's Spiral
getting angry, or me getting angry,
492
00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:30,008
but I'm getting fucking angry!
493
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,010
I never, I haven't tried it.
494
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,053
I haven't tried it since...
495
00:33:33,095 --> 00:33:36,014
So the first one is B.
496
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,057
Yeah.
497
00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:41,019
You're rewarded for dying young
in this business.
498
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:44,064
You're struggling over some notes?
Probably have an ulcer over that.
499
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,068
Stephen's like, "You gotta quit school
500
00:33:48,986 --> 00:33:51,989
"because Sonic Youth wants us
to open up for them in Europe."
501
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:53,073
And I was just like...
502
00:33:53,991 --> 00:33:56,994
"OK, I'll do it. I'll do it" you know?
503
00:33:57,035 --> 00:34:00,038
So I left school.
504
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,001
To go on tour with Sonic Youth, and...
505
00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:06,003
of course the Pavement thing
happened, forever,
506
00:34:06,003 --> 00:34:08,005
and then in 2008 I think we were...
507
00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:15,053
I was living in Seattle
and I was kinda super low on money.
508
00:34:16,013 --> 00:34:17,097
I was like,
"Alright, I've gotta..."
509
00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:20,017
I've tried to go back to school
a couple times,
510
00:34:20,017 --> 00:34:21,018
got divorced.
511
00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:25,022
And so I went down and I applied
to be a Seattle bus driver.
512
00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,065
- Wow!
- I was like, "Alright,
513
00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,026
"that's what I'm gonna do."
514
00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:32,988
A day later, Steve calls:
515
00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:35,991
"Alright,
we're gonna do a reunion tour."
516
00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:38,076
That's how rock 'n' roll works!
517
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,996
My God, I can never be a bus driver!
518
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:48,086
I think the first time
I saw Pavement,
519
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:52,007
it was after we'd asked Pavement
to play with us.
520
00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:56,011
I was totally prepared
for Stephen to be completely snotty.
521
00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,015
♪ So look at me and say ♪
522
00:35:00,057 --> 00:35:02,059
Sometimes they were annoyingly boyish.
523
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:05,062
Actually, Stephen told me
he used to call up and leave
524
00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:10,025
long, really obnoxious music messages
on our answering machine.
525
00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:15,030
That was our initial tour with Gary,
that was like...
526
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:18,992
going to all the towns
for the first time as a full band,
527
00:35:18,992 --> 00:35:20,077
and we were feeling
the pressure of it too.
528
00:35:20,994 --> 00:35:24,039
- I fucked up, what do I do here?
- Go back to the other thing before.
529
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,042
- Before, and then what?
- Then you go back to the chorus.
530
00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:29,044
- So it's just straight...
- The end of the chorus.
531
00:35:29,086 --> 00:35:31,046
- Just lower key.
- OK, I'm...
532
00:35:31,088 --> 00:35:35,008
- I'm still confused.
- You can do it, Gary, c'mon.
533
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,011
We had a bunch of crap.
534
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,013
All our stuff was broken.
535
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:44,059
Sonic Youth had their incredibly
elaborate production,
536
00:35:44,977 --> 00:35:47,062
which at the time just
completely psyched us out.
537
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:08,000
♪ I was dressed for success
538
00:36:09,001 --> 00:36:13,005
♪ Success, it never comes
539
00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:18,051
♪ I'm the only one who laughs
540
00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:23,056
♪ At your jokes when they are so bad
541
00:36:25,017 --> 00:36:28,979
♪ Your jokes are always bad
542
00:36:30,063 --> 00:36:34,026
♪ But they're not as bad as this
543
00:36:35,068 --> 00:36:38,071
♪ Come join us in our prayers... ♪
544
00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:41,033
OK, hello, everyone!
545
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:43,994
My name is S.J. Malkmus.
546
00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:48,040
I'm in that little group, Pavement.
You might have heard of us.
547
00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:54,046
If you haven't, I'm not surprised either
so... I'm here anyway to,
548
00:36:55,005 --> 00:36:58,091
as you can see, Cologne's premier,
549
00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:05,015
indie, vinyl exposé, parking lot, sewer.
550
00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:07,976
So come on, I'm gonna tell you
a little bit about Pavement.
551
00:37:07,976 --> 00:37:10,020
This is actually
the next thing that came,
552
00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,022
Slanted and Enchanted,
553
00:37:12,022 --> 00:37:15,067
this is our ground-breaking LP.
554
00:37:16,026 --> 00:37:19,071
♪ Summer babe
555
00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:23,075
♪ Summer babe
556
00:37:26,036 --> 00:37:28,080
♪ Summer babe
557
00:37:31,041 --> 00:37:33,043
♪ Summer babe ♪
558
00:37:35,045 --> 00:37:39,007
Alright, and now we're in...
New York City!
559
00:37:54,064 --> 00:37:57,025
We weren't playing,
we were just going to Maxwell's,
560
00:37:57,025 --> 00:37:59,987
seeing bands, working in the city.
561
00:37:59,987 --> 00:38:02,072
Worked at the Whitney
as a security guard.
562
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:09,997
Steve West then took a job there as well.
563
00:38:09,997 --> 00:38:13,041
They'd talk about the miseries
of being an art security guard,
564
00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,085
and it would drive me crazy
because I would have driven bus
565
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,004
for 10 or 11 hours.
566
00:38:18,088 --> 00:38:21,049
That really was useful,
to go to New York,
567
00:38:21,049 --> 00:38:23,051
and be in that environment.
568
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:29,016
Some of the post-modern philosophies
that were in there.
569
00:38:30,017 --> 00:38:33,979
As long as you have
the kind of bullshit to back it up,
570
00:38:33,979 --> 00:38:35,981
you can kinda spin anything.
571
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:38,066
You know, anything's valid,
572
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:43,989
it's down to being a really good singer,
or having in-tune or great technique,
573
00:38:44,031 --> 00:38:45,991
That's over with.
574
00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:48,994
It's time for something new.
575
00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:01,048
I would have been in the art gallery,
576
00:39:01,048 --> 00:39:04,009
writing down shit, trying to be cool.
577
00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:10,015
I was going to write some real songs,
by my mind,
578
00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:11,975
like catchy ones.
579
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:17,022
I don't really listen
to lyrics very closely, so...
580
00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:21,026
I was just like,
"Is anyone really listening to this?"
581
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:30,035
OK, so it's...
Stories they tell
582
00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:31,078
♪ You know they never add up
583
00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:34,039
♪ I hear the natives fussin'
At the data charts
584
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,000
♪ Be quiet, the weather's
On the night news.
585
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,002
♪ Empty homes, plastic cones
586
00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:42,005
♪ Stolen rims
Are they alloy or chrome?
587
00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:47,052
♪ They get in knife fights
And their guts will spill
588
00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:49,054
♪ My cigarette's cupped to the... ♪
589
00:39:49,054 --> 00:39:51,014
Is it about wind or something?
590
00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:54,059
It's about Stockton, I don't know.
591
00:39:55,018 --> 00:39:56,061
Spilling guts.
592
00:39:59,022 --> 00:40:01,066
♪ Ice, baby
593
00:40:01,983 --> 00:40:06,029
♪ I saw your girlfriend
And she was eating her fingers
594
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,073
♪ Like just another meal
595
00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:13,995
♪ But she waits there in the levee wash
596
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:19,000
♪ Mixing cocktails
With a plastic-tipped cigar
597
00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:24,005
♪ Minerals, ice deposit daily
598
00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:28,969
♪ Drop off the first shiny robe
599
00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:33,014
♪ I've got a lot friends
I want to talk but
600
00:40:33,056 --> 00:40:41,064
♪ Not here, babe, you took 'em
601
00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:49,072
♪ Every time I sit around
I find I'm shot
602
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:53,076
♪ Every time I sit around
I find I'm shot
603
00:40:54,035 --> 00:40:58,039
♪ Every time I sit around
604
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:01,001
♪ Every time, every time, every time
605
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:05,005
♪ You're my summer babe ♪
606
00:41:09,009 --> 00:41:11,011
This is where it all started,
607
00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:14,055
with a lyric pad in his chest pocket.
608
00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:19,978
I just imagine him in his uniform
showing up.
609
00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:23,982
You know these kids showing up,
610
00:41:26,026 --> 00:41:29,988
in charge of guarding
all this priceless art?
611
00:41:30,071 --> 00:41:33,992
And here they are making
their own priceless art, it's...
612
00:41:35,076 --> 00:41:38,997
You couldn't write it.
It's stranger than fiction.
613
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,042
I mean, I thought about
going to Stockton but...
614
00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:45,045
this is where it all happened, you know?
615
00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:49,007
Slanted and Enchanted
was birthed in these halls.
616
00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:52,969
I'm doing this project about Stephen--
Do you know the band Pavement?
617
00:41:52,969 --> 00:41:53,970
- No.
- No?
618
00:41:54,012 --> 00:41:56,056
This guy Stephen Malkmus
used to work at this place
619
00:41:56,056 --> 00:41:58,016
back when it was the Whitney.
620
00:41:58,058 --> 00:42:01,978
I recommend you speak with my colleague
over there with the curly hair.
621
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,022
- OK, cool.
- These guys need to chat.
622
00:42:04,981 --> 00:42:07,025
- This used to be the Whitney, right?
- It did.
623
00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:09,986
Do you know the band Pavement?
Have you heard of that band?
624
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:10,987
Yeah.
625
00:42:10,987 --> 00:42:13,073
I know all those guys
used to work here, in this building.
626
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:16,993
They were security guards here,
guarding all the art.
627
00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:17,994
Wow.
628
00:42:18,995 --> 00:42:21,998
I thought there'd be a Pavement area
in the gift shop,
629
00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:24,960
maybe a couple of records, T-shirts or
something, but there's nothing in there.
630
00:42:26,002 --> 00:42:28,004
It's funny, ever since
we started working on this project,
631
00:42:28,004 --> 00:42:30,048
and I've been working on the accent
and stuff.
632
00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:32,050
I feel like my appetite
has actually changed.
633
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:36,054
Coming back here in about a week
634
00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:38,056
without you guys, and maybe...
635
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:40,058
they might let me work
a couple of night shifts.
636
00:42:40,976 --> 00:42:43,019
I got a lot of research to do,
I got a lot of work to do.
637
00:42:43,061 --> 00:42:44,062
It's going to be a long shoot.
638
00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:50,068
♪ On an icy island in north
639
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:55,991
♪ In the woods beside the church
640
00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:01,037
♪ We can bury crimson lockets
641
00:43:01,997 --> 00:43:03,999
♪ Filled with dirt
642
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:09,045
♪ And when the April thaw
643
00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:13,091
♪ Brings us out again
644
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:17,053
♪ We can bless the arrows... ♪
645
00:43:19,055 --> 00:43:21,016
Should have wore a hat today.
646
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:27,063
It's gonna have a little effect
on your self-esteem I suppose.
647
00:43:27,063 --> 00:43:30,984
It's gonna have a little effect
on your self-esteem I suppose.
648
00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:33,069
♪ La, la, la, la, la.
649
00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:35,030
♪ La, la! ♪
650
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:37,032
The songs have a playfulness
651
00:43:37,032 --> 00:43:39,034
which I think is definitely
a part of the...
652
00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:41,036
what I would call "the Pavement spirit."
653
00:43:41,077 --> 00:43:43,038
It's got these weird...
654
00:43:43,997 --> 00:43:47,000
different tunings, yeah,
almost like blues tunings.
655
00:43:47,042 --> 00:43:51,046
How does it go? The process
of songwriting within Pavement?
656
00:43:51,087 --> 00:43:55,050
- Who comes up with the initial idea?
- Professor Malkmus.
657
00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,971
- Hey, what was that?
- Hey!
658
00:44:01,014 --> 00:44:03,058
- I heard something catchy.
- I dunno.
659
00:44:03,058 --> 00:44:05,060
Your melody's pretty good.
660
00:44:06,978 --> 00:44:09,981
- Mine's pure Bob.
- The chorus just...
661
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,026
You sing it though
because my singing is...
662
00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:15,070
It's not appropriate and it's your song.
663
00:44:16,029 --> 00:44:19,032
It's hard, you don't want to sing
another person's song.
664
00:44:19,991 --> 00:44:22,077
But I like when you sing my... songs.
665
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:24,079
Yeah, 'cause you don't have to sing.
666
00:44:27,082 --> 00:44:30,043
♪ ...that still knows the tricks
667
00:44:30,085 --> 00:44:34,047
♪ Tricks are everything to me ♪
668
00:44:34,047 --> 00:44:38,051
I feel like I can step outside
to a certain amount and think,
669
00:44:38,968 --> 00:44:41,054
"Well, that's the singer of the band,"
and I just, like,
670
00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:44,057
I see this other person down there,
it's like...
671
00:44:44,974 --> 00:44:49,062
Of course it's me, but I manage to say,
"Oh, that's the singer," you know.
672
00:44:49,062 --> 00:44:53,024
Whenever I sing, I think,
"Well, what's a singer supposed to do?"
673
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:54,984
Not what I'm supposed to do.
674
00:44:56,069 --> 00:45:01,032
♪ I told her oh, lip suction fragment ♪
675
00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:05,078
With some lyrics, they just kind of...
676
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,083
They come out of just your imagined...
What you're imagining is...
677
00:45:12,001 --> 00:45:14,045
What a singer, a cool singer would sing,
you know?
678
00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:17,048
♪ You're so beautiful to look at
When you cry
679
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:20,009
♪ Freeze, don't move
680
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:28,059
♪ You've been chosen as an
Extra in the movie adaptation
681
00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:31,062
♪ Of the sequel to your life ♪
682
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:34,023
We sent them the tape,
we sent it all around,
683
00:45:34,023 --> 00:45:37,026
the Slanted and Enchanted tape,
thinking who's gonna like it, ya know,
684
00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:39,988
just pretty exciting
to see who wanted to do it.
685
00:45:39,988 --> 00:45:42,031
We didn't send it to any major labels
or anything.
686
00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:45,034
We just sort of randomly
put 'em out, ya know?
687
00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:47,996
We just sort of randomly
put it out, ya know?
688
00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:49,998
One more time for that one.
689
00:45:54,002 --> 00:45:56,087
We just sort of randomly
put it out, ya know?
690
00:45:56,963 --> 00:45:58,006
One more time?
691
00:45:59,007 --> 00:46:00,091
♪ Stop right now ♪
692
00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:03,052
So, yeah,
actually it took like two years for it...
693
00:46:03,052 --> 00:46:06,055
So, actually, yeah, it took like two years
for it to come out, so...
694
00:46:08,057 --> 00:46:10,059
Sort of randomly put it out, ya know?
695
00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:12,061
All the songs on those tapes,
696
00:46:12,061 --> 00:46:16,024
they were just... we'll tape the tape,
like, how you felt that day.
697
00:46:16,024 --> 00:46:19,068
Even though that album
Slanted and Enchanted became
698
00:46:19,986 --> 00:46:24,032
synonymous with this lo-fi thing
that didn't really exist yet.
699
00:46:24,991 --> 00:46:29,037
In our minds it was not lo-fi,
that was like a big pop record.
700
00:46:33,041 --> 00:46:37,003
♪ Can you treat it like an oil well
701
00:46:38,004 --> 00:46:41,049
♪ When it's underground, outta sight ♪
702
00:46:41,049 --> 00:46:45,011
I came back and played it
for Bob Nastanovich and David.
703
00:46:45,011 --> 00:46:47,055
They were like, "You're set, dude."
704
00:46:48,014 --> 00:46:51,059
"Get ready,
people are gonna like you for a while."
705
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:55,021
I was still working
at the art museum and
706
00:46:55,063 --> 00:46:58,024
these people are coming
to do meetings with me, like...
707
00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:02,987
When your dreams come true
like that, it's quite...
708
00:47:03,071 --> 00:47:04,989
Quite scary.
709
00:47:06,032 --> 00:47:08,993
♪ And you never get it back
710
00:47:09,035 --> 00:47:11,996
- ♪ It's what I want
- ♪ What I want
711
00:47:13,081 --> 00:47:16,000
- ♪ It's what I want
- ♪ What I want
712
00:47:18,044 --> 00:47:22,006
♪ It's what I want, it's what I want
It's what I want
713
00:47:22,048 --> 00:47:25,051
♪ It's what I want now ♪
714
00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:30,056
♪ Tell me, tell me, tell me
715
00:47:30,974 --> 00:47:35,019
♪ I've been crowned the king of it
716
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:39,023
♪ And it is all we have so wait
717
00:47:39,983 --> 00:47:44,028
♪ To hear my words
And they're diamond sharp
718
00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:48,074
♪ I could open it up
It's up and down ♪
719
00:48:11,014 --> 00:48:13,057
- OK, so, softer.
- Softer.
720
00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:14,058
- Shorter.
- Shorter.
721
00:48:14,976 --> 00:48:16,019
- Lower.
- Lower.
722
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:18,062
He's not really rounding
his lips very much.
723
00:48:18,062 --> 00:48:22,066
And he does the classic California thing
of that claw sound.
724
00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:27,030
It's super flat but people don't normally
use their mouths all that much.
725
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:28,031
Yeah.
726
00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:32,994
- Some, but they don't go crazy with it.
- Definitely not Stephen.
727
00:48:33,036 --> 00:48:35,997
- No, no...
- I'd say the opposite.
728
00:48:35,997 --> 00:48:37,999
- Yeah, he keeps it pretty tight.
- Yeah.
729
00:48:37,999 --> 00:48:42,003
And he has a lot of "vocal fry" going on,
730
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:45,048
which is when you're pressing down
on your soft palate,
731
00:48:45,048 --> 00:48:48,009
- That's this part.
- Yeah, it just seems like he's kinda...
732
00:48:48,009 --> 00:48:50,011
living in this sort of world.
733
00:48:50,011 --> 00:48:52,055
- Yeah.
- I think he says "tunes."
734
00:48:53,014 --> 00:48:55,016
- Oh, I didn't hear that.
- Tunes.
735
00:48:55,016 --> 00:48:57,977
Yeah, he says, "I have some fun tunes."
736
00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:03,024
He seems like he's a man of contradictions
because he has this...
737
00:49:03,066 --> 00:49:06,986
really relaxed thing going on,
738
00:49:07,028 --> 00:49:09,989
but it's super tight in the back, yeah.
739
00:49:10,031 --> 00:49:15,036
I feel like it would be possible
to get a picture of Stephen's tongue.
740
00:49:15,036 --> 00:49:16,079
I would love that.
741
00:49:16,996 --> 00:49:19,040
It would be super helpful to know
742
00:49:19,999 --> 00:49:21,084
just what it looks like.
743
00:49:22,001 --> 00:49:23,086
Yeah, it would.
744
00:49:24,045 --> 00:49:26,005
- Is it announced?
- Yes.
745
00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:28,049
- It's announced?
- It's announced?
746
00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:31,010
Wow!
747
00:49:31,052 --> 00:49:36,057
- Where is it?
- It's on the Pavement's Instagram.
748
00:49:38,059 --> 00:49:40,061
- Shut up.
- I mean, this is crazy.
749
00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:47,026
When you take that tape...
750
00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:49,987
You say a prayer...
751
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,992
And you hope
the big boys upstairs like it.
752
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,042
Next thing you know,
you're signing a record company contract,
753
00:50:03,084 --> 00:50:05,044
and recording an album for real.
754
00:50:13,052 --> 00:50:15,054
The character's kinda making sense
755
00:50:15,054 --> 00:50:18,015
now that you're getting
to study these archives.
756
00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:19,058
Yeah.
757
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:23,020
You know, obviously I have so much
of his personal wardrobe
758
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,022
that he's been able to give me.
759
00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:30,027
All these clothes that he's been keeping
for 30 years because he thought
760
00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:33,072
maybe one day this could happen,
they would make a movie and...
761
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:35,032
It's happening right now.
762
00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:37,076
When you meet
the other guys in the band,
763
00:50:37,076 --> 00:50:40,037
introduce you as "Joe" to them.
764
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:41,080
- No.
- OK.
765
00:50:41,998 --> 00:50:44,083
No, no, no, it would be helpful
if you did introduce me as Stephen,
766
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:46,043
because that's how I'll approach...
767
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:50,006
the conversation with them
just fully in character.
768
00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:52,008
Again.
769
00:50:52,008 --> 00:50:55,011
♪ No more absolutes
770
00:50:56,012 --> 00:50:58,014
♪ No more absolutes ♪
771
00:50:58,055 --> 00:50:59,056
Great, one more time.
772
00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:02,059
♪ No more absolutes
773
00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:06,022
♪ No more absolutes ♪
774
00:51:06,022 --> 00:51:07,982
Stick your penitentiary.
775
00:51:07,982 --> 00:51:11,068
♪ Stick your penitentiary
776
00:51:11,986 --> 00:51:14,989
♪ Clothes inside the vent
777
00:51:14,989 --> 00:51:17,074
♪ And run along, Leigh ♪
778
00:51:18,075 --> 00:51:21,996
Is that rhythm right?
"Stick your penitentiary, clothes..."
779
00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:27,001
♪ Stick your penitentiary
Clothes inside the vent ♪
780
00:51:27,043 --> 00:51:30,004
One more time.
Three, four...
781
00:51:30,004 --> 00:51:33,007
♪ No more absolutes
782
00:51:34,008 --> 00:51:36,052
♪ No more absolutes
783
00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:42,016
♪ Stick your penitentiary
784
00:51:42,016 --> 00:51:44,060
♪ Clothes inside the vent
785
00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:47,980
♪ Run along, Leigh ♪
786
00:51:48,022 --> 00:51:50,024
One more time we have to do?
787
00:51:51,025 --> 00:51:53,027
Gary was great, every gig,
788
00:51:53,027 --> 00:51:57,073
he had this performance art thing
going through the whole tour,
789
00:51:57,073 --> 00:52:00,993
where he would find something
to give the audience,
790
00:52:00,993 --> 00:52:03,996
to pass out to the audience
as they were coming in.
791
00:52:03,996 --> 00:52:06,040
Like one place in Germany,
it was leaves.
792
00:52:07,041 --> 00:52:09,043
Compost is really important.
793
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:11,003
It was kinda borderline,
794
00:52:11,045 --> 00:52:13,965
some nights, it was like,
"What are you gonna do tonight, Gary?"
795
00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:15,007
That kind of thing.
796
00:52:15,007 --> 00:52:18,010
You could see him being frustrated.
797
00:52:23,057 --> 00:52:25,977
I ain't playing
if I ain't drinking!
798
00:52:25,977 --> 00:52:29,021
Yeah, Gary would be drumming along,
799
00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:32,024
and he'd be playing the song,
and all of sudden, he'd like...
800
00:52:32,066 --> 00:52:35,069
just hear Bob drumming,
And you'd see Gary like...
801
00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:36,988
You know...
802
00:52:37,029 --> 00:52:41,033
On his head, or out in the crowd,
or something, you know?
803
00:52:45,997 --> 00:52:49,000
Gary thought that we were...
804
00:52:49,041 --> 00:52:52,086
You know, a giant band just because
we were playing with Nirvana.
805
00:52:52,086 --> 00:52:56,007
We were playing
with Sonic Youth and stuff.
806
00:52:56,007 --> 00:52:57,049
Look at all these people here!
807
00:52:57,091 --> 00:53:01,053
He saw it as he'd finally made it.
808
00:53:01,053 --> 00:53:04,015
But... There's a bar over there.
809
00:53:04,015 --> 00:53:06,976
But he was in really bad shape
at that time.
810
00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:17,069
But he made all these
irrational demands
811
00:53:17,987 --> 00:53:19,071
in this Copenhagen hotel room.
812
00:53:19,989 --> 00:53:23,075
He flat out at the end of it,
he was like, "I quit!"
813
00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:25,036
"I absolutely quit!"
814
00:53:25,077 --> 00:53:28,080
♪ When I was a drum cadet
815
00:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,044
♪ Sold her
816
00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:38,007
♪ The skins off my second set
817
00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:40,968
♪ Yes!
818
00:53:40,968 --> 00:53:43,012
♪ See myself come running back
819
00:53:43,054 --> 00:53:45,056
♪ See myself come running back
820
00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:47,975
♪ Running back
Running back
821
00:53:48,017 --> 00:53:50,061
♪ Running, running, running back
822
00:53:50,061 --> 00:53:55,024
♪ See myself come running back
See myself come running back... ♪
823
00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:04,033
Stephen who'd become friends
with Steve West in Brooklyn,
824
00:54:04,033 --> 00:54:06,994
they were jamming all the time.
825
00:54:07,036 --> 00:54:09,997
Stephen was making up all
the Crooked Rain songs,
826
00:54:09,997 --> 00:54:13,000
and fleshing them out with Steve West.
827
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:23,010
Let's go back in, guys!
828
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:28,015
We dedicate that one to Gary.
829
00:54:28,015 --> 00:54:30,059
When he decided to get the band
back together again,
830
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:32,061
he decided to hire on Steve West.
831
00:54:32,061 --> 00:54:35,064
And I felt extremely immoral,
playing those shows,
832
00:54:35,064 --> 00:54:37,984
'cause I'm sure
that I promised Gary that,
833
00:54:37,984 --> 00:54:41,028
"I will never do a Pavement show
without you in the band."
834
00:54:41,028 --> 00:54:45,074
The fact that his place was being taken
by a friend of mine from high school,
835
00:54:45,992 --> 00:54:48,995
since I was 13 years old,
also is really heavy duty.
836
00:54:49,036 --> 00:54:57,003
I remember the day that Gary told
me how he wanted me to play this song.
837
00:54:57,044 --> 00:55:00,006
After that, that's all I've ever done.
838
00:55:01,048 --> 00:55:04,010
He said, "Don't fuck with my rules, man!"
839
00:55:04,051 --> 00:55:07,013
I don't even know what
"going platinum" means.
840
00:55:07,013 --> 00:55:10,057
But I'm ready to take it on
if it happens.
841
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,021
It's like a million records,
I think that's pretty far off.
842
00:55:15,021 --> 00:55:17,023
I don't know if we're gonna ever do that.
843
00:55:17,023 --> 00:55:19,066
- A million records?
- That's a lot of records.
844
00:55:27,033 --> 00:55:31,037
♪ Music scene is crazy
Bands start up
845
00:55:31,996 --> 00:55:36,000
♪ Each and every day
I saw another one
846
00:55:36,042 --> 00:55:40,046
♪ Just the other day
A special new band
847
00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:44,050
♪ Advertising
looks and chops a must
848
00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:46,010
♪ No big hair! ♪
849
00:55:46,052 --> 00:55:50,056
I think the quandary that I have is
how you resist becoming pretentious,
850
00:55:50,056 --> 00:55:55,019
when it seems like everybody,
everybody, all the press is...
851
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:58,064
prostrating themselves,
paying homage to Pavement,
852
00:55:58,064 --> 00:56:02,026
and putting away
their typically cynical selves and just...
853
00:56:02,026 --> 00:56:04,987
pouring on the praise,
pouring on the praise.
854
00:56:04,987 --> 00:56:07,031
Maybe you have become pretentious?
855
00:56:09,033 --> 00:56:12,995
That is a sad thing,
to just be a critic's band.
856
00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:14,997
Always be talking about that?
857
00:56:14,997 --> 00:56:18,042
I guess we feel a little bit
annoyed by that,
858
00:56:18,042 --> 00:56:19,043
not only...
859
00:56:19,043 --> 00:56:22,046
We want to glide without the critics,
860
00:56:22,046 --> 00:56:25,049
straight into the tube.
861
00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:30,054
♪ Career, career, career, career ♪
862
00:56:30,054 --> 00:56:32,056
♪ No big hair!
863
00:56:32,056 --> 00:56:36,060
♪ Songs mean a lot
When songs are bought
864
00:56:37,019 --> 00:56:39,063
- ♪ And so are you ♪
- Great.
865
00:56:41,023 --> 00:56:43,067
We're Pavement
and that was the Pavement
866
00:56:43,067 --> 00:56:45,027
with Cut Your Hair.
867
00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:50,991
♪ Face right down to the practice room
868
00:56:50,991 --> 00:56:53,035
♪ Attention and fame
869
00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:56,997
- ♪ Career
- ♪ Career
870
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:59,041
- ♪ Career
- ♪ Career
871
00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:02,044
♪ Career... ♪
872
00:57:18,018 --> 00:57:21,021
♪ Neighbor
You call me neighbor
873
00:57:21,021 --> 00:57:22,982
♪ You do me favors
874
00:57:23,023 --> 00:57:25,025
♪ I'm not your neighbor
875
00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:28,028
♪ Don't do me favors
I'm not your neighbor
876
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:30,030
♪ Don't do me favors
877
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:32,032
♪ I'm not your neighbor
878
00:57:46,005 --> 00:57:48,007
♪ I'm not your neighbor ♪
879
00:57:49,008 --> 00:57:51,010
That was always
the great thing about Pavement,
880
00:57:51,051 --> 00:57:55,055
from Demolition Plot
and the first 7-inch on,
881
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:58,058
there was always a gradual progression...
882
00:57:58,058 --> 00:58:00,060
Alright, do you want to try
Stop Breathin?
883
00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:04,064
Crooked Rain was just like,
OK, the Nirvana thing had happened,
884
00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:06,066
because that was the time when
885
00:58:06,984 --> 00:58:11,030
"most eligible to be signed band"
stuff was floating around.
886
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:12,072
But I knew it was getting bigger.
887
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:13,991
One, two, three.
888
00:58:14,033 --> 00:58:15,034
♪ Got struck... ♪
889
00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:20,039
One, two, three. One, two, three.
One, two, three. One, two, three.
890
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:24,043
♪ Got struck by the first volley
891
00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:28,088
♪ Of the war in the corps
892
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:33,010
♪ Never held my serve... ♪
893
00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:35,971
You have different things
you can do with each record.
894
00:58:35,971 --> 00:58:39,058
Maybe this record
is a little more straight ahead,
895
00:58:39,975 --> 00:58:41,060
lyrically and stuff like that.
896
00:58:41,060 --> 00:58:44,063
And the next time,
we can do something different.
897
00:58:44,063 --> 00:58:50,027
We think we have different cards
to play every time, we played...
898
00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:55,032
This time we played gin rummy,
and next time we'll play strip poker.
899
00:58:55,032 --> 00:59:00,996
I'm kinda like taking music
that made me feel sick a little bit,
900
00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:02,039
but trying to make it good.
901
00:59:02,998 --> 00:59:07,002
Like classic rock of Silence Kid
or The Eagles, with Range Life
902
00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:10,089
so it was like bands I hated sometimes,
I still do that now.
903
00:59:11,006 --> 00:59:13,008
Yeah, I don't know why
I'm compelled to do that.
904
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:16,011
♪ ...Breathin' for me now
905
00:59:17,012 --> 00:59:20,015
♪ Write it on a postcard
906
00:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,059
♪ Dad, they broke me... ♪
907
00:59:43,998 --> 00:59:46,000
Come work on your backing vocals
on Cut Your Hair.
908
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,002
They often sound like shit.
Get in here.
909
00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:58,971
It would be cool for Range Life
if we could have, like...
910
00:59:58,971 --> 01:00:01,015
There could be one song where we...
911
01:00:02,016 --> 01:00:05,060
It actually has the lyrics
like karaoke, you know?
912
01:00:13,027 --> 01:00:16,071
After I made Crooked Rain ,
everyone heard it and they're like,
913
01:00:16,071 --> 01:00:18,073
"This is gonna be so great."
914
01:00:18,991 --> 01:00:20,075
"You're set."
915
01:00:21,035 --> 01:00:24,997
This is a proper fucking album like...
916
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,041
- Get ready!
- It is, yeah.
917
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,002
Strap it on 'cause it's going off!
918
01:00:30,002 --> 01:00:33,047
And then... So then I was like,
"Alright, that's all I have to do.
919
01:00:33,047 --> 01:00:35,049
"I can just act like I don't care.
920
01:00:36,008 --> 01:00:37,051
"It's gonna be so big."
921
01:00:38,010 --> 01:00:41,013
You know,
"It's what Kurt Cobain would do too..."
922
01:00:42,056 --> 01:00:44,016
But then it didn't happen.
923
01:01:04,995 --> 01:01:09,041
He's filming but we're not making
an album, we're just rehearsing, so...
924
01:01:09,041 --> 01:01:15,005
It's not quite as a... much drama as
that Beatles movie by Peter Jackson
925
01:01:15,005 --> 01:01:19,009
that got so much traction on social media.
926
01:01:19,009 --> 01:01:21,053
We're too soon together.
We're not at each other.
927
01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:28,060
♪ Hold on tight she wears the suit
928
01:01:29,019 --> 01:01:33,023
♪ It's got more stars than the sky
929
01:01:33,982 --> 01:01:37,069
♪ It's still forbidden to excuse
930
01:01:37,986 --> 01:01:40,072
♪ That little look in your eye
931
01:01:42,074 --> 01:01:46,995
♪ I was busted in my gut that time
932
01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:50,999
♪ That time I said, "I know it's true"
933
01:01:50,999 --> 01:01:55,003
♪ Why didn't I ask?
Why didn't I ask?
934
01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:57,047
♪ Why didn't I...? ♪
935
01:01:59,049 --> 01:02:01,051
So sorry, everyone!
936
01:02:05,013 --> 01:02:06,974
So sorry.
937
01:02:08,058 --> 01:02:10,018
We didn't know...
938
01:02:10,978 --> 01:02:12,062
You suck!
939
01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:15,065
Try to get through this one!
940
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:21,029
I think it's gonna turn out
to be a good idea to be here.
941
01:02:23,991 --> 01:02:26,034
It's kinda weird, but you know...
942
01:02:27,035 --> 01:02:28,078
So is good music.
943
01:02:28,996 --> 01:02:32,082
Scott, do you want me
to take my bass back, or not?
944
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,005
- Are you OK, are you getting it?
- I'm OK, I think there's...
945
01:02:38,046 --> 01:02:40,048
I'll practice some songs on my own.
946
01:02:40,048 --> 01:02:43,010
What time
do you usually come in?
947
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:47,055
I always stay a little later
and go over some stuff that I'm kinda...
948
01:02:47,973 --> 01:02:48,974
stuck on.
949
01:02:49,057 --> 01:02:51,059
OK, guys, I'll see you later.
950
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:56,982
For kids who felt like everything
was stupid and everything sucked,
951
01:02:57,024 --> 01:02:59,026
- They were your band.
- Range Life.
952
01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:02,029
♪ ...one thing I'll never forget
953
01:03:02,070 --> 01:03:04,990
♪ Hey, you gotta pay your dues
954
01:03:05,032 --> 01:03:07,993
♪ Before you pay the rent ♪
955
01:03:08,035 --> 01:03:13,081
In the song Range Life,
the famous dig at Smashing Pumpkins.
956
01:03:13,999 --> 01:03:19,004
It just felt a little, not "dangerous",
it's the wrong word but
957
01:03:19,004 --> 01:03:21,006
there's a lot of humor in Malkmus.
958
01:03:21,048 --> 01:03:25,010
♪ Out on tour with the Smashing Pumpkins
959
01:03:25,052 --> 01:03:29,056
♪ Nature kids
They don't have no function
960
01:03:29,056 --> 01:03:33,018
♪ I don't understand what they mean
961
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,980
♪ And I could really give a fuck
962
01:03:38,023 --> 01:03:42,027
♪ The Stone Temple Pilots
They're elegant bachelors ♪
963
01:03:43,070 --> 01:03:45,989
Did you know that you were gonna get...
964
01:03:45,989 --> 01:03:48,075
reactions to talking
about The Smashing Pumpkins
965
01:03:48,992 --> 01:03:50,035
and Stone Temple Pilots?
966
01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:54,039
We thought it would be free publicity
for the Pilots
967
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:59,044
and The Pumpkins actually,
that's why we did it, not for ourselves.
968
01:04:01,004 --> 01:04:04,007
In the third quarter,
their record sales were lagging,
969
01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:06,009
and we were paid off.
970
01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:07,010
And I hope they paid you well.
971
01:04:07,052 --> 01:04:10,013
Seeing them on The Tonight Show
972
01:04:10,013 --> 01:04:11,056
just goofing on the whole thing.
973
01:04:20,065 --> 01:04:24,069
The idea of selling out
was first established as a concept...
974
01:04:25,028 --> 01:04:30,075
I remember in the '80s when you saw
Revolution used in the Nike commercial.
975
01:04:32,035 --> 01:04:35,998
That's not what you're supposed to do
with your music or with your art.
976
01:04:35,998 --> 01:04:40,002
Doing something you're not comfortable
doing for the sake of the market,
977
01:04:40,002 --> 01:04:42,045
or for the sake of money.
978
01:04:42,045 --> 01:04:44,047
I think it's radically changed...
979
01:04:44,047 --> 01:04:46,008
No one really cares anymore.
980
01:04:46,049 --> 01:04:50,053
If I'm able to con somebody
into giving us money to do a commercial,
981
01:04:51,972 --> 01:04:53,015
then I feel like we've won.
982
01:04:53,015 --> 01:04:54,016
Nobody really cares.
983
01:04:54,016 --> 01:04:57,060
No one's looking at it like they looked
at the Beatles and the Nike commercial.
984
01:05:09,031 --> 01:05:14,036
♪ I keep my address to myself
Because it's secret
985
01:05:14,077 --> 01:05:16,997
♪ 'Cause it's secret, cret, cret, cret
986
01:05:16,997 --> 01:05:21,043
♪ Cret, cret, cret, cret, cret
987
01:05:21,084 --> 01:05:23,045
♪ Back right now ♪
988
01:05:23,045 --> 01:05:26,006
I was sitting watching that with
my 6-year-old nephew.
989
01:05:26,006 --> 01:05:29,968
We were both really excited to see
lots of Santa Claus.
990
01:05:30,010 --> 01:05:33,055
But it left us extremely confused,
What was it about?
991
01:05:35,015 --> 01:05:37,017
Yeah, I guess it was confusing.
992
01:05:37,017 --> 01:05:42,064
So you've got a reputation
for being hard to pin down.
993
01:05:42,981 --> 01:05:47,069
Anything I've read about you guys...
You sorta of have this fear of success.
994
01:05:48,028 --> 01:05:49,029
Not a fear.
995
01:05:49,071 --> 01:05:52,032
Just an unwillingness to be successful?
996
01:05:52,032 --> 01:05:56,078
No, we've done everything we can do
actually to be successful.
997
01:05:56,995 --> 01:05:58,038
Maybe the kind of success that...
998
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,043
what you consider success,
wouldn't be success to us.
999
01:06:03,043 --> 01:06:07,005
I don't like to think of music
in career terms at all.
1000
01:06:07,005 --> 01:06:08,006
Hey, Stephen,
1001
01:06:08,006 --> 01:06:11,009
this looks like the most
painful experience for you, is it?
1002
01:06:11,009 --> 01:06:12,052
- It's not bad.
- You're not sad?
1003
01:06:12,052 --> 01:06:13,053
It's just sitting next to me.
1004
01:06:13,053 --> 01:06:15,013
You're grimacing going...
1005
01:06:15,013 --> 01:06:16,056
No, no. That wasn't...
1006
01:06:16,056 --> 01:06:17,057
Well...
1007
01:06:17,974 --> 01:06:20,060
I don't...
I think you misinterpreted me again.
1008
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:24,064
Maybe I shouldn't even sing it.
1009
01:06:24,064 --> 01:06:28,026
If I was John Cougar, I would have
blown the show off, or Radiohead...
1010
01:06:28,026 --> 01:06:30,987
But we're not that big,
so I have to keep playing.
1011
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:31,988
I apologize.
1012
01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:35,033
♪ We got the money
1013
01:06:35,075 --> 01:06:36,993
♪ We got the money
1014
01:06:36,993 --> 01:06:39,996
♪ There's no survivors
1015
01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:45,043
♪ There's no survivors ♪
1016
01:06:45,961 --> 01:06:49,047
What's the best part
about being in Pavement for you?
1017
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:55,095
The best part...
1018
01:06:59,057 --> 01:07:02,978
Alright, alright, alright,
never mind, this one is...
1019
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,021
Go ahead, you decide, whatever.
1020
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,065
No way, this song sucks.
1021
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:17,033
No way, song's stupid.
1022
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,077
The song is really stupid.
1023
01:07:21,997 --> 01:07:25,041
♪ Well, I was dressed for suc...
1024
01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:30,005
♪ Success, it never comes
1025
01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:35,093
♪ And I'm the only one who laughs
1026
01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:41,016
♪ At your jokes when they are so bad
1027
01:07:42,017 --> 01:07:45,979
♪ And your jokes are always bad
1028
01:07:47,022 --> 01:07:51,026
♪ But they're not as bad as this
1029
01:07:52,986 --> 01:07:55,989
♪ Come join us in a prayer
1030
01:07:57,073 --> 01:08:00,994
♪ We'll be waiting, waiting where
1031
01:08:02,996 --> 01:08:07,000
♪ Everything's ending here ♪
1032
01:08:10,045 --> 01:08:12,047
Ladies and gentlemen,
on the lead guitar,
1033
01:08:12,047 --> 01:08:15,050
your lead vocalist tonight
all the way from Stockton, California,
1034
01:08:15,050 --> 01:08:19,012
Stephen Joseph, motherfucking, Malkmus!
1035
01:08:34,986 --> 01:08:35,987
That was actually pretty good.
1036
01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:39,991
Scott, there's a beautiful bird
in your throat, soaring!
1037
01:08:39,991 --> 01:08:42,077
- Yeah, that was good today.
- Sounding so good!
1038
01:08:42,077 --> 01:08:44,996
- You did it great.
- She's a tough critic, too, Scott.
1039
01:08:44,996 --> 01:08:46,081
I would take that.
A very tough critic.
1040
01:08:46,081 --> 01:08:48,041
It all sounded good.
1041
01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:54,005
What's the musician biopic
gold standard for you?
1042
01:08:54,047 --> 01:08:57,050
- I think Bohemian Rhapsody.
- Yeah, something like that.
1043
01:08:57,092 --> 01:08:59,010
I can imagine this...
1044
01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:02,055
Well, in some ways,
kind of pushing a little further.
1045
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:13,066
Yeah, it's the sort of character
you can see yourself playing, you know...
1046
01:09:15,026 --> 01:09:18,989
for a decade, like a Rocky
or like a Boyhood,
1047
01:09:18,989 --> 01:09:20,073
or something to come back to.
1048
01:09:20,991 --> 01:09:22,075
Right, because we're covering
1049
01:09:22,075 --> 01:09:24,035
- the '95 era.
- Right.
1050
01:09:24,035 --> 01:09:26,037
Not to say
we couldn't then very quickly
1051
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,999
make the '92 or '94 era movie as well.
1052
01:09:28,999 --> 01:09:30,041
Yeah, of course.
1053
01:09:31,084 --> 01:09:34,045
And when you go that deep
into characters, it's...
1054
01:09:35,005 --> 01:09:37,048
you know,
it can be difficult to re-surface,
1055
01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:42,012
so sometimes it's easier to just
hold your breath and keep swimming.
1056
01:09:43,013 --> 01:09:44,973
- Did you take one?
- I got one.
1057
01:09:44,973 --> 01:09:47,058
- Oh my god, love to see it!
- From production, yeah.
1058
01:09:47,058 --> 01:09:49,060
Oh wow, that is just...
1059
01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:51,980
He allowed us to take a photo.
1060
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:53,064
We went up to his house and...
1061
01:09:53,064 --> 01:09:54,983
He...
1062
01:09:54,983 --> 01:09:56,026
He had just eaten, you can see it.
1063
01:09:56,026 --> 01:09:57,986
Did you get one of the tongue?
1064
01:09:57,986 --> 01:10:00,030
He was about to go play tennis,
1065
01:10:00,030 --> 01:10:02,073
so we had to do it very quickly, but...
1066
01:10:02,073 --> 01:10:05,035
He's trying to lay it flat
whether he knows it or not,
1067
01:10:05,035 --> 01:10:06,077
because he's taking a picture.
1068
01:10:06,077 --> 01:10:09,039
It's also really cool to think
about the fact that
1069
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:14,002
all the music
and the work that I've been doing
1070
01:10:14,044 --> 01:10:15,086
has all come from this place.
1071
01:10:18,006 --> 01:10:24,012
I've been so deep in S.M.
that to go back into Steve, S.H...
1072
01:10:25,055 --> 01:10:29,017
You know, I'm thinking it might be
difficult to kind of shake it off,
1073
01:10:29,017 --> 01:10:32,979
because that "fry" is something
I've really gotten used to.
1074
01:10:33,021 --> 01:10:35,982
- Yeah.
- I feel like I can't really tell anymore,
1075
01:10:35,982 --> 01:10:39,069
but I feel like my body
has really adapted to the "fry."
1076
01:10:39,069 --> 01:10:40,987
You're doing it now.
1077
01:10:41,029 --> 01:10:42,989
Right now? Yeah.
1078
01:10:43,031 --> 01:10:45,033
I thought this was something
you would just...
1079
01:10:45,033 --> 01:10:46,993
That you can just...
1080
01:10:47,035 --> 01:10:50,080
You can drop it and go away
and it'd be all.
1081
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:53,041
You can't just sort of...?
1082
01:10:54,042 --> 01:10:56,086
It might be, I don't know.
1083
01:10:56,086 --> 01:11:00,006
I mean, this is the first time
we've worked together.
1084
01:11:00,090 --> 01:11:03,009
Yeah. I think I've made a big mistake.
1085
01:11:03,051 --> 01:11:06,012
It's... I wouldn't say...
You don't...
1086
01:11:07,055 --> 01:11:10,016
- I think I've made a really big mistake.
- No, no, no, no.
1087
01:11:14,062 --> 01:11:16,022
It's a possibility but that doesn't...
1088
01:11:16,022 --> 01:11:17,983
I don't think I really want to be Stephen.
1089
01:11:17,983 --> 01:11:21,027
I don't want to be Stephen anymore
I don't think so much.
1090
01:11:23,029 --> 01:11:24,030
Joe.
1091
01:11:25,073 --> 01:11:26,074
Joe.
1092
01:11:27,993 --> 01:11:29,035
- Stephen?
- Yeah.
1093
01:11:30,036 --> 01:11:33,039
- You almost ready?
- Joe being Stephen...
1094
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:35,083
I can't even believe I'm calling him Joe.
1095
01:11:38,003 --> 01:11:41,006
It's weird 'cause now when
I look at pictures of Stephen Malkmus,
1096
01:11:41,006 --> 01:11:43,008
I think he looks like Joe Keery.
1097
01:11:44,050 --> 01:11:46,011
So it's becoming like a thing.
1098
01:12:16,041 --> 01:12:18,043
Who puts out a three-sided record?
1099
01:12:18,043 --> 01:12:19,085
Chris, why'd we agree to this?
1100
01:12:19,961 --> 01:12:22,047
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
was a hit for us.
1101
01:12:22,047 --> 01:12:25,008
Nearly doubled the sales
of Slanted and Enchanted.
1102
01:12:25,008 --> 01:12:26,092
The singles were top-notch.
1103
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:28,011
You were on The Tonight Show.
1104
01:12:28,011 --> 01:12:31,014
Which we all agreed was lame and fake,
1105
01:12:31,014 --> 01:12:33,058
and you played poorly,
which we appreciated,
1106
01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:35,018
which I appreciated.
1107
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:38,021
Right. And what do you do
with this complete freedom?
1108
01:12:38,021 --> 01:12:41,983
How do you repay us for keeping
this operation as intimate as possible?
1109
01:12:42,025 --> 01:12:45,987
You release a sprawling 18-track
record with no clear hits.
1110
01:12:45,987 --> 01:12:48,073
There's three sides on it,
we left the fourth side blank!
1111
01:12:49,032 --> 01:12:51,993
Just baffling choices, guys.
Non-choices.
1112
01:12:51,993 --> 01:12:54,996
I didn't think anybody
ever made a 3-sided record
1113
01:12:54,996 --> 01:12:56,998
so I thought it was kind of funny.
1114
01:12:56,998 --> 01:13:00,001
Oh, it's hilarious.
You know why no one's done it?
1115
01:13:00,043 --> 01:13:03,004
Because it's masturbatory,
pretentious bullshit.
1116
01:13:03,088 --> 01:13:05,006
Alright, rolling sound.
1117
01:13:06,007 --> 01:13:09,010
Quietly listening
to the blank side of Wowee Zowee.
1118
01:13:11,012 --> 01:13:12,055
- Camera...
- Fuck.
1119
01:13:12,097 --> 01:13:14,057
Speed.
One Golf, take one, D Mark.
1120
01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:17,060
And...
1121
01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:20,063
Can I have a little bit of Jason
to start right there?
1122
01:13:20,063 --> 01:13:21,981
And action.
1123
01:13:31,032 --> 01:13:33,993
I know I listened to it,
I liked the record.
1124
01:13:33,993 --> 01:13:38,039
There's lots of interesting sounds
on it and...
1125
01:13:38,998 --> 01:13:41,042
You know, it's just a record where
we got out of our heads a little bit.
1126
01:13:41,042 --> 01:13:43,086
I think it's more fun to listen to.
1127
01:13:44,003 --> 01:13:48,049
And there's more there,
it's a long album, it's an hour long.
1128
01:13:48,091 --> 01:13:51,010
And my hope is that...
1129
01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:53,054
To buy this song,
the listener gets value for money.
1130
01:13:53,054 --> 01:13:54,973
Yeah!
It's a better value.
1131
01:13:55,014 --> 01:13:57,016
I thought a ten-song record
would be cool.
1132
01:13:57,058 --> 01:13:59,978
That this was like the re-issue
before the re-issue,
1133
01:13:59,978 --> 01:14:01,020
but I lost that battle.
1134
01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:03,982
At that time, we were pretty cocky,
we were like...
1135
01:14:04,065 --> 01:14:06,985
You know,
"We could put out anything."
1136
01:14:06,985 --> 01:14:12,031
When that record came out, it was
really the first time we got any backlash.
1137
01:14:12,991 --> 01:14:16,035
It's still our least amount
of records we've ever sold.
1138
01:14:16,035 --> 01:14:17,996
Three-sided vinyl...
1139
01:14:19,038 --> 01:14:22,000
A record with it's own B-sides on it,
that's smart thinking to me.
1140
01:14:22,041 --> 01:14:23,960
I think it's our best record.
1141
01:14:24,002 --> 01:14:28,006
I think it's a "Fuck you-
we-don't-want-any-fans" record.
1142
01:14:28,047 --> 01:14:31,050
What would you say
is your favorite Pavement album?
1143
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:33,011
Do you have one?
1144
01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:35,013
Yeah, Wowee Zowee would be mine.
1145
01:14:35,054 --> 01:14:39,976
It kinda captured the weirdness,
perverted side of our band.
1146
01:14:40,018 --> 01:14:41,060
...half-baked.
1147
01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:43,980
Remember how Smashing Pumpkins
had you black-listed
1148
01:14:44,022 --> 01:14:45,064
from Lollapalooza last summer?
1149
01:14:45,064 --> 01:14:47,984
They've come back,
and offered it to you again,
1150
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:48,985
And you're doing it.
1151
01:14:48,985 --> 01:14:50,987
This summer, because of record sales
the way they are...
1152
01:14:50,987 --> 01:14:53,031
We don't want to be the band that like...
1153
01:14:53,072 --> 01:14:55,992
sells out and sounds worse and, like...
1154
01:14:56,034 --> 01:14:57,994
it's reaching for something
they're not...
1155
01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:01,039
We're very satisfied
with our level of success.
1156
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,960
But there was a thought maybe
they're gonna be this like...
1157
01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:07,045
Nirvana-type band...
1158
01:15:07,045 --> 01:15:10,965
But then we gave them Wowee Zowee,
and I picked Rattled by the Rush,
1159
01:15:10,965 --> 01:15:12,050
and Father to a Sister of Thought.
1160
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:16,054
These two really mellow songs
are just slow and not...
1161
01:15:16,971 --> 01:15:19,057
But I didn't know, I think I was smoking
a lot of grass back then.
1162
01:15:19,057 --> 01:15:21,017
To me, they sounded like hits.
1163
01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:24,979
Chris, when the fuck have we cared about
what Rolling fucking Stone thinks, dude?
1164
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:29,025
Look, you guys made a loosey-goosey,
bullshit record,
1165
01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:32,028
to avoid becoming the band
that your last record
1166
01:15:32,028 --> 01:15:33,988
promised that you might be.
1167
01:15:33,988 --> 01:15:37,033
It's not Metal Machine Music,
it's a cool record.
1168
01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:39,077
I like it.
1169
01:15:40,995 --> 01:15:44,082
Well, if you gave us that record,
we'd all be in here celebrating.
1170
01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:47,001
Malkmus!
1171
01:15:58,012 --> 01:16:00,014
Stephen... Stephen!
1172
01:16:03,977 --> 01:16:06,980
I would never do anything
to compromise your integrity.
1173
01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:09,023
Gerard and I have your back.
1174
01:16:09,065 --> 01:16:11,025
- Yeah, I know.
- Yeah?
1175
01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:15,029
Hey.
1176
01:16:15,029 --> 01:16:17,991
After we signed our
distro deal with Atlantic,
1177
01:16:17,991 --> 01:16:19,993
who kept their logos off your record?
1178
01:16:23,997 --> 01:16:28,960
Do you remember what you said
when Nirvana asked you to play with them?
1179
01:16:29,002 --> 01:16:30,044
You said...
1180
01:16:31,045 --> 01:16:34,048
"Who plays first?"
And what did I do?
1181
01:16:35,091 --> 01:16:37,969
You went back and asked,
"Who plays first?"
1182
01:16:37,969 --> 01:16:39,971
Because I support you.
1183
01:16:42,015 --> 01:16:44,058
Does the tour come to New York?
1184
01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:47,979
What if it really was a moment like this?
1185
01:16:47,979 --> 01:16:48,980
In life?
1186
01:16:49,022 --> 01:16:50,064
Yeah, where he's like,
"Stephen, come on."
1187
01:16:50,064 --> 01:16:52,066
As far as I know,
there never has been.
1188
01:16:52,066 --> 01:16:55,028
What do you mean?
"It's gonna be in New York?"
1189
01:16:55,028 --> 01:16:57,989
I mean,
that was a factual concern
1190
01:16:57,989 --> 01:17:01,993
because he specifically said,
"Does Lollapalooza play New York?"
1191
01:17:02,035 --> 01:17:05,079
And then he was embarrassed about doing it
in front of a New York crowd.
1192
01:17:05,997 --> 01:17:09,000
♪ It has a nice ring
when you laugh
1193
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,003
♪ At the low life opinions
1194
01:17:12,045 --> 01:17:15,006
♪ And we're coming to the chorus now ♪
1195
01:17:15,048 --> 01:17:19,010
With our type of music,
because it's not always so immediate.
1196
01:17:19,052 --> 01:17:22,013
It's not just the hits right away,
like Oasis.
1197
01:17:22,013 --> 01:17:26,976
People have to love it like an album,
and they have to get into it over time,
1198
01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:30,063
and develop a relationship with it.
1199
01:17:31,022 --> 01:17:34,067
We're doing our own thing,
we hope people can understand.
1200
01:17:36,986 --> 01:17:39,072
♪ And you can never quarantine the past ♪
1201
01:17:41,074 --> 01:17:44,077
In this context, it's so mind-blowing.
1202
01:17:53,044 --> 01:17:55,004
I don't know
1203
01:17:55,088 --> 01:17:58,007
if this is a good idea.
1204
01:17:58,091 --> 01:18:03,054
I just think that
of all the bands you could do this for,
1205
01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:07,975
bands that Pavement touched up against,
in one way or another,
1206
01:18:08,017 --> 01:18:12,980
Sonic Youth, Nirvana,
all these bands from the '90s,
1207
01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:17,068
You couldn't do a stage show like this
with any of their songs.
1208
01:18:18,069 --> 01:18:22,073
But you can translate Pavement
right up there onto that stage.
1209
01:18:23,074 --> 01:18:25,076
And that means you have to try.
1210
01:18:27,078 --> 01:18:29,997
We're a couple of months
into this process here.
1211
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:31,999
Michael, he's nervous.
1212
01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:36,003
He says he went through this
when he starred in American Idiot .
1213
01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:41,008
He's talking to me about this
and I can't answer because...
1214
01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:45,972
My answer is,
"Yeah, this could be a terrible idea."
1215
01:19:02,029 --> 01:19:04,073
♪ There is no
1216
01:19:06,033 --> 01:19:09,078
♪ Castration fear
1217
01:19:14,041 --> 01:19:16,043
♪ In a chair
1218
01:19:18,045 --> 01:19:20,047
♪ You will be
1219
01:19:22,049 --> 01:19:24,010
♪ With me
1220
01:19:26,971 --> 01:19:28,055
♪ We'll dance
1221
01:19:30,057 --> 01:19:32,059
♪ We'll dance
1222
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,022
♪ We'll dance
1223
01:19:37,064 --> 01:19:39,984
♪ We'll dance
1224
01:19:42,069 --> 01:19:47,074
♪ But no one will dance with us
1225
01:19:49,035 --> 01:19:52,997
♪ In this zany town
1226
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,001
♪ Chim-chim-chim
Sing a song of praise
1227
01:19:57,043 --> 01:20:00,004
♪ For your elders
1228
01:20:00,046 --> 01:20:02,048
♪ They're in the back
1229
01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:10,973
♪ Pick out some Brazilian nuts
For your engagement
1230
01:20:12,975 --> 01:20:16,062
♪ Check that expiration date, man
1231
01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:19,065
♪ It's later than you think
1232
01:20:20,024 --> 01:20:23,069
♪ You can't enjoy yourself
I can't enjoy myself
1233
01:20:23,986 --> 01:20:28,032
♪ You can't enjoy yourself
I can't enjoy myself
1234
01:20:29,033 --> 01:20:31,035
♪ Move that swing
1235
01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:34,997
♪ And watch it break straight like an arc
1236
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,084
♪ Maybe we could dance
1237
01:20:40,044 --> 01:20:42,088
♪ Maybe we could dance
1238
01:20:44,006 --> 01:20:46,092
♪ Maybe we could dance
1239
01:20:47,009 --> 01:20:49,053
♪ Together
1240
01:20:51,013 --> 01:20:53,015
♪ Together
1241
01:20:54,976 --> 01:20:57,019
♪ Together ♪
1242
01:21:00,064 --> 01:21:02,984
Scene 21, interior, Ohio.
1243
01:21:03,025 --> 01:21:05,069
Mark and Bob are just
playing ping pong once again.
1244
01:21:05,987 --> 01:21:08,072
Doubles against Elastica.
1245
01:21:09,031 --> 01:21:11,033
That dude Opie was so nice.
1246
01:21:11,033 --> 01:21:13,995
We should have him over
to play ping pong sometime.
1247
01:21:13,995 --> 01:21:17,039
I think you mean Moby,
the bald guy with the glasses?
1248
01:21:17,081 --> 01:21:19,000
You saw what happened out there.
1249
01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:21,085
People were turning and walking away
as soon as we started.
1250
01:21:21,085 --> 01:21:24,005
I don't know what kind of band
you'd have to be
1251
01:21:24,005 --> 01:21:25,089
to succeed at 3pm like that.
1252
01:21:25,089 --> 01:21:28,009
So I've been thinking, three shows.
1253
01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:30,970
The venues are horrible.
1254
01:21:31,012 --> 01:21:35,016
We're mostly playing in the daylight,
so it's like a red planet Mars out there.
1255
01:21:35,057 --> 01:21:38,019
So we need to be called...
1256
01:21:38,019 --> 01:21:41,022
Pi, like the symbol.
1257
01:21:42,023 --> 01:21:45,985
Yeah, fucking hilarious,
you can't spell Pavement without Pi.
1258
01:21:46,027 --> 01:21:48,070
No, no Pavement. Just Pi.
1259
01:21:48,988 --> 01:21:50,990
Kind of like Kraftwerk
or some weird thing.
1260
01:21:51,032 --> 01:21:53,993
So because you think
we're in a ridiculous position,
1261
01:21:53,993 --> 01:21:56,037
you want to try to screw it up?
1262
01:21:56,996 --> 01:22:00,082
You take something that could go alright,
and do your own what-the-fuck version?
1263
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,003
Lollapalooza '95 off to a great start.
1264
01:22:07,006 --> 01:22:08,090
Imposters.
1265
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:11,010
Imposters.
1266
01:22:12,011 --> 01:22:13,054
We can't deliver the goods.
1267
01:22:13,054 --> 01:22:16,057
It's hard to imagine being so comfortable
behaving in this fashion.
1268
01:22:16,057 --> 01:22:19,018
Isn't it more effort for you to go against
the flow like this?
1269
01:22:19,018 --> 01:22:21,020
Wouldn't it be simpler
to just say, "Sure".
1270
01:22:22,021 --> 01:22:23,981
I'm rolling.
1271
01:22:26,025 --> 01:22:28,069
Remember that show, Stranger Things?
1272
01:22:29,028 --> 01:22:30,071
In that part where I say...
1273
01:22:30,988 --> 01:22:33,032
"Frenetic!" or "Genetic!"
I'm gonna say...
1274
01:22:33,032 --> 01:22:34,992
"Eleven!"
1275
01:22:35,034 --> 01:22:37,995
'Cause they have a cult following
they'll hear that and be like...
1276
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:40,039
"Wow! I like them too."
1277
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:41,999
Eleven!
1278
01:22:48,047 --> 01:22:52,009
I am here, live,
and in the studio with Pavement!
1279
01:22:52,009 --> 01:22:54,053
Who are going to be playing
at the East Center today,
1280
01:22:54,053 --> 01:22:56,013
as part of Lollapalooza.
1281
01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:58,057
New album is called Wowee Zowee.
1282
01:22:59,016 --> 01:23:00,059
I love to say it!
1283
01:23:00,059 --> 01:23:02,019
But it's a weird album,
I gotta say that,
1284
01:23:02,019 --> 01:23:04,063
I got the record here and
1285
01:23:04,063 --> 01:23:05,981
I think there's something wrong with mine
1286
01:23:05,981 --> 01:23:08,984
because one of the sides
of the record is completely blank.
1287
01:23:11,028 --> 01:23:14,990
It's just... who am I to say, but
it seems like with this album
1288
01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:19,078
maybe you're trying to deliberately
alienate your fans or potential fans?
1289
01:23:21,038 --> 01:23:23,082
Sorry, is there a question or?
1290
01:23:23,082 --> 01:23:29,046
You were one of the first people
to have that vocal style of like...
1291
01:23:32,049 --> 01:23:34,969
You can try to sing other ways,
I can't sing like Eddie Vedder,
1292
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:36,053
I don't have a baritone.
1293
01:23:37,012 --> 01:23:38,055
You know,
I would if I could, maybe.
1294
01:23:38,055 --> 01:23:40,057
Singing out of tune is...
1295
01:23:40,975 --> 01:23:42,059
a revolutionary act.
1296
01:23:42,059 --> 01:23:46,021
The style captures the message,
praxis, you know?
1297
01:23:46,021 --> 01:23:48,065
So it's what?
Activism on your part?
1298
01:23:48,983 --> 01:23:50,025
Call it "slacktivism"?
1299
01:23:50,067 --> 01:23:52,069
The first question,
Stephen, is...
1300
01:23:52,069 --> 01:23:55,072
First record you ever bought?
1301
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:58,993
Well, the first record
that I actually purchased...
1302
01:24:00,077 --> 01:24:02,997
was Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog.
1303
01:24:02,997 --> 01:24:04,039
Re-enforce power structures.
1304
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:08,002
I'm not sure who wrote the music,
but you might know the song...
1305
01:24:08,002 --> 01:24:10,963
♪ Jeremiah was a bullfrog
1306
01:24:11,046 --> 01:24:13,048
♪ Was a good friend of mine ♪
1307
01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:14,967
Where are you trying
to take this band?
1308
01:24:14,967 --> 01:24:16,093
If this is the album
that you want to put out.
1309
01:24:16,969 --> 01:24:19,013
No, we don't think about it
in the same way.
1310
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:22,975
This is music.
1311
01:24:23,017 --> 01:24:25,019
It's fun.
1312
01:24:25,019 --> 01:24:27,980
It's work, and that's not fun.
1313
01:24:28,022 --> 01:24:32,985
We want to reach people
but only with the most pure intentions.
1314
01:24:35,070 --> 01:24:38,991
I would definitely be like,
"Dude, why are you fucking this band up?"
1315
01:24:39,033 --> 01:24:41,994
I guess I already knew
that the music business
1316
01:24:41,994 --> 01:24:43,996
was a weird place to exist.
1317
01:24:44,038 --> 01:24:47,041
When you're younger,
you have a little more like...
1318
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,084
Think you're the hottest shit, maybe,
1319
01:24:50,002 --> 01:24:53,088
even if you don't say it,
you're modest in the interviews and stuff.
1320
01:24:56,050 --> 01:24:58,052
He's given that up.
He admits that.
1321
01:24:58,052 --> 01:25:01,096
I wasn't thinking about that
at all when we were making the record.
1322
01:25:01,972 --> 01:25:04,058
Everything is going to be great.
People are going to love us.
1323
01:25:04,058 --> 01:25:08,062
But there are other people on the business
side, that were working their butt off.
1324
01:25:09,063 --> 01:25:11,023
- Hello.
- Hey, man, listen.
1325
01:25:11,023 --> 01:25:13,025
Forget Rolling Stone.
Fuck Rolling Stone.
1326
01:25:13,025 --> 01:25:14,068
We got something better.
1327
01:25:14,985 --> 01:25:16,028
Alright.
1328
01:25:16,028 --> 01:25:18,989
We just got a call from Lorne Michaels,
1329
01:25:19,031 --> 01:25:22,993
and they want you, Pavement,
to be the musical guest
1330
01:25:22,993 --> 01:25:24,995
on an upcoming episode of SNL.
1331
01:25:27,998 --> 01:25:31,001
- Hello?
- Yeah, I'm here.
1332
01:25:32,044 --> 01:25:36,966
Yeah, so listen, the other thing is
the host apparently is Quentin Tarantino.
1333
01:25:37,007 --> 01:25:39,009
And if you buy into this kind of shit,
1334
01:25:39,009 --> 01:25:42,054
that's the episode that all the so-called
cool kids are gonna be taping.
1335
01:25:42,054 --> 01:25:43,055
Right.
1336
01:25:43,055 --> 01:25:46,058
We feel like this is a no-brainer.
1337
01:25:46,058 --> 01:25:49,019
Let's hear you say, "Great."
1338
01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:51,063
Or "Fucking, yes!"
1339
01:25:51,063 --> 01:25:54,984
- When do we show up?
- When should we be there?
1340
01:25:58,070 --> 01:26:01,991
Nah, I don't wanna do that.
1341
01:26:02,992 --> 01:26:04,076
Or I could go back and I could see
1342
01:26:04,076 --> 01:26:07,997
if you could fuck it up
like The Replacements--
1343
01:26:07,997 --> 01:26:09,039
Well, not like The Replacements but...
1344
01:26:09,999 --> 01:26:12,042
Elvis Costello? I don't know.
1345
01:26:13,002 --> 01:26:15,045
- Wear a fuckin' dress?
- Yeah.
1346
01:26:17,047 --> 01:26:19,008
I'll do this show.
1347
01:26:19,967 --> 01:26:22,011
Show the animal doing tricks.
1348
01:26:22,052 --> 01:26:25,014
- Yeah, we could go on after the animals.
- Stephen!
1349
01:26:25,014 --> 01:26:29,977
This is an opportunity to get in front
of five million viewers! Maybe more!
1350
01:26:30,019 --> 01:26:33,022
That's a lot of ears,
that's ten million ears!
1351
01:26:34,064 --> 01:26:36,025
It's whatever you want, man, ya know?
1352
01:26:36,025 --> 01:26:39,987
Just let us know what you want to do,
and we got your back, alright?
1353
01:26:41,071 --> 01:26:43,032
Everything else good?
1354
01:26:45,034 --> 01:26:46,035
Not great.
1355
01:26:46,076 --> 01:26:50,039
The sets are poor,
the attendance is mild...
1356
01:26:50,998 --> 01:26:53,083
Vibes are generally poor.
1357
01:26:55,044 --> 01:26:57,004
- Alrighty, then.
- Alright.
1358
01:26:57,004 --> 01:26:58,047
- Check in soon.
- Bye, bye.
1359
01:27:15,064 --> 01:27:19,068
- Check, check, check...
- The new word is "fungi".
1360
01:27:19,985 --> 01:27:20,986
"Fungi."
1361
01:27:20,986 --> 01:27:22,029
What's the word?
1362
01:27:22,071 --> 01:27:24,073
- Fungi.
- Fungi?
1363
01:27:24,073 --> 01:27:27,993
Like he ran into the woods
and found some fungi.
1364
01:27:28,035 --> 01:27:31,038
I take my mushrooming
knife into the woods...
1365
01:27:38,087 --> 01:27:41,048
Scene 11. Interior.
Pavement's room. Backstage.
1366
01:27:41,048 --> 01:27:44,009
We see a gig poster for
Lollapalooza '95,
1367
01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:46,053
and the date for the show,
July 4, 1995.
1368
01:27:47,012 --> 01:27:48,973
There is a calm normalcy to this all,
1369
01:27:49,014 --> 01:27:51,016
but a tension that suggests
the dam is about to break.
1370
01:27:51,016 --> 01:27:54,979
I would love my parents to see
the great Pavement show.
1371
01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:58,065
I have a feeling that this show
may be in fact legendary.
1372
01:28:10,077 --> 01:28:13,038
♪ ...always bad
1373
01:28:14,999 --> 01:28:18,043
♪ But not as bad as this ♪
1374
01:28:20,045 --> 01:28:22,047
It's gonna be fine.
1375
01:28:23,007 --> 01:28:25,050
We practiced a lot, so I feel like...
1376
01:28:27,011 --> 01:28:29,013
I don't have...
I'm feeling confident...
1377
01:28:30,014 --> 01:28:33,017
We practiced like
more than we ever practiced.
1378
01:28:33,017 --> 01:28:34,059
Really?
1379
01:28:34,059 --> 01:28:38,063
It's weird to be better
when it doesn't really matter.
1380
01:28:39,023 --> 01:28:41,984
Ya know what I mean,
like I wish I would have...
1381
01:28:42,026 --> 01:28:45,029
There's good things about
being lackadaisical.
1382
01:28:45,029 --> 01:28:46,071
But, also...
1383
01:28:47,031 --> 01:28:50,075
Like just moving forward always is
"I gotta do the next thing."
1384
01:28:50,075 --> 01:28:53,037
But this is all done,
so you are just re-creating something.
1385
01:28:53,037 --> 01:28:58,000
There's no next thing,
so you can really dial it in a little bit.
1386
01:28:58,042 --> 01:29:00,002
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1387
01:29:01,003 --> 01:29:03,047
Watch the show be totally shit...
1388
01:29:05,007 --> 01:29:06,050
♪ Maybe
1389
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:10,971
♪ Someone's going to save me
1390
01:29:11,972 --> 01:29:15,017
♪ My heart is made of gravy
1391
01:29:15,059 --> 01:29:20,022
♪ And the laps I swim
From lunatics don't count
1392
01:29:20,022 --> 01:29:23,025
♪ Open up your stockings
1393
01:29:24,026 --> 01:29:27,988
♪ Pull out all the things
You never wanted
1394
01:29:28,030 --> 01:29:30,991
♪ From room service calls ♪
1395
01:29:31,033 --> 01:29:33,035
This is a five minute call, everybody.
1396
01:29:33,035 --> 01:29:37,081
I'm in New York City
in front of 472 Greenwich Street,
1397
01:29:37,081 --> 01:29:42,044
where Chris Lombardi lived when he
co-founded Matador Records in 1989.
1398
01:29:42,044 --> 01:29:46,048
Today Matador's signature band,
Pavement, is being honored
1399
01:29:46,048 --> 01:29:49,009
with the opening
of their very own museum show.
1400
01:30:08,028 --> 01:30:09,988
Everyone, here we go.
1401
01:30:09,988 --> 01:30:13,033
Welcome to Slanted! Enchanted!
1402
01:31:16,096 --> 01:31:22,060
♪ Your doctor's leaving for
The holiday season
1403
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:27,983
♪ Got crystal ice picks
No gift for the gab
1404
01:31:28,984 --> 01:31:34,031
♪ And in the parking lot
Is the sedan he bought
1405
01:31:34,072 --> 01:31:39,995
♪ He never, he never
Complains when it's hot
1406
01:31:40,078 --> 01:31:47,002
♪ He sold a swollen daughter
a sauna on a Tucson ridge
1407
01:31:52,090 --> 01:31:59,014
♪ They're soaking up the fauna
Doing blotters, I don't know which
1408
01:31:59,973 --> 01:32:02,017
♪ Which, which
1409
01:32:02,017 --> 01:32:05,062
♪ Boys are dying on these streets ♪
1410
01:32:35,968 --> 01:32:42,975
♪ In a netherworld of foreign feeds
1411
01:32:48,063 --> 01:32:52,067
♪ Well I've got style
Miles and miles
1412
01:32:52,067 --> 01:32:55,028
♪ So much style that it's leavin' ♪
1413
01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:58,991
♪ Bring on the major leagues ♪
1414
01:33:37,029 --> 01:33:40,073
Thank you, West Virginia!
Pavement are up next!
1415
01:33:40,073 --> 01:33:43,035
Dicky Barrett, the singer
of the Bosstones, drenched in sweat,
1416
01:33:43,035 --> 01:33:44,995
wearing a suit,
comes over to them.
1417
01:33:44,995 --> 01:33:48,999
Heads up, they started hosing
down the crowd since it's so fuckin' hot.
1418
01:33:48,999 --> 01:33:51,043
So there's kind of a mud pit
in front of the stage.
1419
01:33:51,043 --> 01:33:53,003
Meaning what?
1420
01:33:53,045 --> 01:33:56,048
There's some lunkheads
lookin' like they want to fling some mud.
1421
01:33:56,089 --> 01:33:58,008
So look out, is all.
1422
01:33:58,008 --> 01:34:00,010
Dicky gives
an enthusiastic fist pump,
1423
01:34:00,052 --> 01:34:02,012
and the suited Bosstones
all leave the stage.
1424
01:34:02,054 --> 01:34:04,014
We focus on our guys.
1425
01:34:04,056 --> 01:34:08,018
There is a sense that they are
on the precipice of a major league, tense,
1426
01:34:08,018 --> 01:34:10,020
and perhaps troubling moment,
1427
01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:12,064
waiting on the edge of a battle vibe.
1428
01:34:26,036 --> 01:34:30,999
♪ Look up to people
So tall to you
1429
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,960
♪ I can't
1430
01:34:34,002 --> 01:34:37,047
♪ So I won't stand
1431
01:34:37,047 --> 01:34:40,050
♪ Up chuck
1432
01:34:40,050 --> 01:34:42,052
♪ Break luck
1433
01:34:43,011 --> 01:34:48,016
♪ Look for the splinters
You might see where they come in
1434
01:34:48,058 --> 01:34:50,060
♪ So go down
1435
01:34:51,019 --> 01:34:53,021
♪ Sweet Yardley
1436
01:34:54,981 --> 01:34:58,068
♪ I won't let you fall down
1437
01:34:59,027 --> 01:35:01,071
♪ Sweet Yardley
1438
01:35:03,031 --> 01:35:06,076
♪ I won't let you fall down
1439
01:35:06,993 --> 01:35:10,038
♪ Here, now ♪
1440
01:35:26,054 --> 01:35:30,016
♪ Generation
1441
01:35:31,059 --> 01:35:34,980
♪ Generation
1442
01:35:35,021 --> 01:35:38,024
♪ Generation
1443
01:35:39,067 --> 01:35:42,988
♪ Generation
1444
01:35:45,991 --> 01:35:47,993
Do you have a cigarette?
1445
01:35:53,999 --> 01:35:56,001
♪ Fight this generation
1446
01:35:56,042 --> 01:35:57,961
♪ Fight this generation
1447
01:35:58,044 --> 01:36:01,006
♪ Fight this
Fight this generation
1448
01:36:01,047 --> 01:36:03,049
♪ Fight this generation
1449
01:36:03,091 --> 01:36:05,051
♪ Fight this generation ♪
1450
01:36:35,999 --> 01:36:39,044
I can only get mud thrown at me
so many times.
1451
01:36:53,016 --> 01:36:55,060
Fuck you! Fuck you!
1452
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:57,020
Motherfuckers!
1453
01:36:58,063 --> 01:37:00,982
Fuck you! Fuck you!
1454
01:37:01,983 --> 01:37:04,027
Fuck you, motherfuckers!
1455
01:37:05,987 --> 01:37:08,031
Fuck you, motherfuckers!
Fuck you!
1456
01:37:09,991 --> 01:37:12,994
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
1457
01:37:18,041 --> 01:37:20,043
Fuck you!
1458
01:37:21,044 --> 01:37:23,004
Fuck you!
1459
01:37:23,046 --> 01:37:25,048
Fuck-- God!
1460
01:37:30,095 --> 01:37:32,055
I love to be muddy.
1461
01:37:32,055 --> 01:37:34,057
Nah, fuck that shit.
1462
01:37:36,059 --> 01:37:38,061
- Yeah!
- That fucking sucks.
1463
01:37:38,061 --> 01:37:41,064
You're all from fucking D.C.!
Fuck You!
1464
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:47,028
Man, that just fucking sucks!
1465
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:53,994
Look at these guys.
The band that ruined Lollapalooza.
1466
01:37:55,996 --> 01:37:57,998
Is that what you want
your legacy to be?
1467
01:37:58,039 --> 01:38:01,042
Like being a heavy metal band in 1992.
1468
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,045
Can't ruin something
that's already been ruined.
1469
01:38:05,046 --> 01:38:07,007
We can't do it.
1470
01:38:07,966 --> 01:38:10,051
We're not Sonic Youth.
We're not Hole.
1471
01:38:10,051 --> 01:38:13,013
- We're not Opie.
- Moby. Moby!
1472
01:38:14,014 --> 01:38:17,058
Can't figure out how to be like those
bands, while still be in this band.
1473
01:38:17,058 --> 01:38:20,020
I don't want you to be
like those other bands,
1474
01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:22,981
I want you to be Pavement!
1475
01:38:26,067 --> 01:38:29,070
- That old refrain...
- It doesn't matter.
1476
01:38:29,988 --> 01:38:32,991
If I had a buck for every single time
you said "it doesn't matter,"
1477
01:38:33,033 --> 01:38:35,994
then I'd make more money
than I'll ever make in this fuckin' band.
1478
01:38:35,994 --> 01:38:37,037
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
1479
01:38:37,037 --> 01:38:39,039
There it is,
two bucks in my pocket.
1480
01:38:39,998 --> 01:38:42,000
Are we a band?
1481
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,045
Are we a group of buds jammin' tunes,
or is this a job?
1482
01:38:45,045 --> 01:38:48,006
Because when we started this band
five years ago back
1483
01:38:48,006 --> 01:38:50,008
in Nowheresville, Stockton,
1484
01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:53,094
I didn't think we'd get much further
than selling a few hundred EPs,
1485
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:55,972
so it's all gravy, it's all good.
1486
01:38:56,014 --> 01:38:58,016
Why does everything have to be
a strategic decision?
1487
01:38:58,016 --> 01:39:00,977
Because I wanna be
as good as we can be.
1488
01:39:01,019 --> 01:39:03,021
Alright? And I wanna be
as respected as we can be.
1489
01:39:03,021 --> 01:39:05,023
I wanna be as popular as we can be.
1490
01:39:05,023 --> 01:39:07,067
And every time you say that
"it doesn't fuckin' matter,"
1491
01:39:07,984 --> 01:39:10,987
you rob us of going
the next step forward, it's bullshit!
1492
01:39:10,987 --> 01:39:13,073
Maybe we already are
and you don't realize it yet!
1493
01:39:13,073 --> 01:39:15,992
Alright! Take it down a notch!
1494
01:39:16,034 --> 01:39:18,078
I've been in the same band as you
since the beginning!
1495
01:39:19,037 --> 01:39:20,080
Bullshit.
1496
01:39:20,997 --> 01:39:22,040
I got hit...
1497
01:39:22,999 --> 01:39:26,002
in my body with a rock
so I thought the show was over.
1498
01:39:29,047 --> 01:39:31,007
I'm sorry.
1499
01:39:32,967 --> 01:39:34,969
There, are you happy?
1500
01:39:36,012 --> 01:39:38,014
Yep, I am.
1501
01:39:39,057 --> 01:39:43,019
So fuckin' uncomfortable, I've got
so much dirt and mud in my asshole.
1502
01:39:45,063 --> 01:39:48,983
They wanna kick you off the tour,
and part of me thinks I should let them,
1503
01:39:48,983 --> 01:39:52,028
but I know that you don't want that,
I know that you don't wanna get fired.
1504
01:39:52,987 --> 01:39:55,990
I know that you wanna give that 100%
of that 50%
1505
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:58,076
that you think you might be able to give.
1506
01:40:21,015 --> 01:40:24,060
I didn't know how they got all
that clothing from the West Virginia show,
1507
01:40:24,060 --> 01:40:26,062
Lollapalooza, where they threw mud at us.
1508
01:40:27,021 --> 01:40:30,024
But that's it. And it's still dirty
after all these years.
1509
01:40:30,024 --> 01:40:31,067
Nobody did their laundry.
1510
01:40:31,067 --> 01:40:34,988
I've got the actual amp
with the mud on it, the bass amp.
1511
01:40:34,988 --> 01:40:36,990
- So you still have the same bass amp?
- Yeah.
1512
01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:39,993
We got a lot of great press
out of that really tough moment.
1513
01:40:39,993 --> 01:40:42,996
And the best thing about being the drummer
and facing the crowd,
1514
01:40:42,996 --> 01:40:46,040
I could dodge all the mud
that was thrown.
1515
01:40:46,082 --> 01:40:49,002
And I had cymbals to block me too.
1516
01:40:49,002 --> 01:40:52,005
So I didn't get hit like I think
Stephen got hit.
1517
01:40:57,010 --> 01:41:00,054
♪ I was dressed for success
1518
01:41:01,055 --> 01:41:05,018
♪ But success, it never comes
1519
01:41:06,978 --> 01:41:09,981
♪ And I'm the only one who laughs... ♪
1520
01:41:10,023 --> 01:41:13,026
You're just arriving,
this must be a little overwhelming?
1521
01:41:13,985 --> 01:41:16,029
Sorry, I'm just freaked out.
1522
01:41:16,029 --> 01:41:18,031
Yeah, right, this is your life?
1523
01:41:19,032 --> 01:41:20,992
Start crying.
1524
01:41:21,993 --> 01:41:23,995
♪ But they're not as bad as... ♪
1525
01:41:24,037 --> 01:41:26,998
I thought it was supposed to be fake.
1526
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,082
This is all real.
1527
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,044
No, I never thought
that I would be an art museum.
1528
01:41:32,045 --> 01:41:35,006
I could spend a long time
just looking right here.
1529
01:41:35,048 --> 01:41:37,967
♪ They're coming to the chorus now
1530
01:41:38,009 --> 01:41:42,013
♪ Keep my address to yourself
'Cause we need secrets... ♪
1531
01:41:42,013 --> 01:41:44,057
It's a bit overwhelming...
1532
01:41:44,057 --> 01:41:46,059
But it's amazing to see it all up here.
1533
01:41:47,018 --> 01:41:50,980
That was on a door in Toronto,
I believe it was, at Lollapalooza.
1534
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:52,023
My daughter just said,
1535
01:41:52,023 --> 01:41:54,984
"Oh, yeah, I remember seeing that
in the basement for about 10 years."
1536
01:41:54,984 --> 01:41:58,029
♪ This is the slow, sick,
Sucking part of me
1537
01:41:58,071 --> 01:42:01,991
♪ This is the slow, sick,
Sucking part of me
1538
01:42:02,033 --> 01:42:05,078
♪ This is the slow, sick,
Sucking part of me ♪
1539
01:42:06,037 --> 01:42:09,999
A lot of this stuff
I haven't seen probably since it came out.
1540
01:42:09,999 --> 01:42:13,002
Of course I never thought it would be
of any significance
1541
01:42:13,002 --> 01:42:14,087
besides from ourselves.
1542
01:42:14,963 --> 01:42:18,007
Actually I work in horse-racing
where nobody's ever heard of Pavement.
1543
01:42:18,049 --> 01:42:21,010
So it's weird to go from a world where
1544
01:42:21,010 --> 01:42:23,012
people celebrate this kind of band.
1545
01:42:23,054 --> 01:42:26,057
We always figured it was kind of obscure.
1546
01:42:36,025 --> 01:42:40,029
So we're here with a
treasure trove of Pavement archives.
1547
01:42:40,029 --> 01:42:42,031
- It's true.
- You just walked in.
1548
01:42:42,073 --> 01:42:44,033
First impressions?
1549
01:42:45,034 --> 01:42:48,997
I like the Steve Keene artwork
and there's a lot of people here.
1550
01:42:49,038 --> 01:42:52,041
Does it feel vulnerable
to have some of these things
1551
01:42:52,041 --> 01:42:54,002
in the public for the first time?
1552
01:42:55,003 --> 01:42:59,966
Yeah, I'm impressed that I took the time
to write all this stuff by hand.
1553
01:43:00,008 --> 01:43:04,053
Unfortunately you're like in a museum,
it's kinda like old person stuff...
1554
01:43:04,971 --> 01:43:08,016
It's a little bit like that stuff you see
where the people are at The Kitchen,
1555
01:43:08,016 --> 01:43:13,062
and they're like...
honoring an older artist, before they...
1556
01:43:15,023 --> 01:43:17,025
turn ashes to ashes, dust to dust,
so it's...
1557
01:43:19,068 --> 01:43:24,991
♪ Time is a one way track
And I am not coming back
1558
01:43:24,991 --> 01:43:30,038
♪ I dream in beige
Why'd you leave me so far now
1559
01:43:30,038 --> 01:43:35,043
♪ I bleed in beige
Why'd you leave me so far now ♪
1560
01:43:38,004 --> 01:43:41,049
These give me a little PTSD
to be honest.
1561
01:43:41,049 --> 01:43:43,092
So, it's kinda like too many shows.
1562
01:43:43,968 --> 01:43:46,012
This shit means a lot because...
1563
01:43:47,013 --> 01:43:49,057
You know,
the industry always doubted us,
1564
01:43:49,974 --> 01:43:53,019
said that we were... slackers...
1565
01:43:53,061 --> 01:43:56,022
that we didn't have a hit in us, you know?
1566
01:43:56,022 --> 01:43:58,983
And people believed, 'cause...
you know, look.
1567
01:43:59,067 --> 01:44:01,069
No one would have thought
1568
01:44:01,069 --> 01:44:04,072
at the time that these albums
could go gold, let alone platinum.
1569
01:44:05,031 --> 01:44:07,075
- And these records don't lie.
- No.
1570
01:44:07,992 --> 01:44:13,081
We had a very problematic relationship
with this media corporation.
1571
01:44:13,998 --> 01:44:16,000
Just another group
that tried to keep us down.
1572
01:44:17,001 --> 01:44:19,003
I think of this
as sort of an olive branch,
1573
01:44:19,003 --> 01:44:21,005
you know, saying,
"Hey, we were wrong.
1574
01:44:22,006 --> 01:44:23,007
"You guys are cool."
1575
01:44:23,049 --> 01:44:27,053
♪ Don't you know?
I could make it dry, make it dry
1576
01:44:27,053 --> 01:44:30,056
♪ Make it dry, make it dry
1577
01:44:30,974 --> 01:44:34,018
♪ I've been crowned, the king of it ♪
1578
01:44:35,019 --> 01:44:36,062
Not proud about this.
1579
01:44:36,980 --> 01:44:40,984
Sometimes you got bills to pay,
and stuff...
1580
01:44:41,985 --> 01:44:45,029
A little embarrassing this corner,
it's like a little sell-out corner.
1581
01:44:45,029 --> 01:44:47,991
But there was no kombucha back then.
1582
01:44:48,032 --> 01:44:50,994
Did you see
the Abercrombie Fitch ad?
1583
01:44:50,994 --> 01:44:53,037
Yeah. It's funny, right?
1584
01:44:53,997 --> 01:44:56,040
It's so insanely bad.
1585
01:44:59,043 --> 01:45:02,046
♪ Starlings in the slipstream ♪
1586
01:45:16,019 --> 01:45:18,021
See how rowdy
it gets, right?
1587
01:45:18,021 --> 01:45:21,983
People might just,
like in real art museums,
1588
01:45:21,983 --> 01:45:23,985
people steal things off the walls.
1589
01:45:23,985 --> 01:45:27,030
No, it's an amazing...
We got to see so many incredible bands
1590
01:45:27,071 --> 01:45:29,032
play some of my favorite Pavement songs.
1591
01:45:29,073 --> 01:45:33,995
It's just a dream come true.
I took one of the shirts off the wall.
1592
01:45:34,037 --> 01:45:37,999
I hereby christen Pavement 33-22.
1593
01:45:45,048 --> 01:45:48,051
It can mean a lot to you,
even if it's not like...
1594
01:45:48,051 --> 01:45:50,011
It can mean enough to do this.
1595
01:45:51,095 --> 01:45:56,059
It's kind of reified
that we are an important group.
1596
01:45:58,061 --> 01:46:02,023
I mean there's a lot of joy to be...
1597
01:46:02,023 --> 01:46:03,066
sentimental.
1598
01:46:04,025 --> 01:46:06,069
And people relate to that, I think.
1599
01:46:10,031 --> 01:46:12,992
We're like fitting
and doing stuff and then...
1600
01:46:12,992 --> 01:46:15,078
filming all these scenes
with Chris and Gerard...
1601
01:46:15,078 --> 01:46:16,079
...over the weekend.
1602
01:46:16,079 --> 01:46:19,040
Right, Chris and Gerard
in quotation marks.
1603
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,043
That's pretty amazing prop stuff.
1604
01:46:22,043 --> 01:46:25,088
Yeah you know we got
some Gold Soundz premium lager.
1605
01:46:25,088 --> 01:46:27,090
See, that's not realistic.
1606
01:46:29,008 --> 01:46:30,093
It doesn't taste realistic either.
1607
01:46:31,052 --> 01:46:34,972
If someone had said, "We're shooting
something about a band,"
1608
01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:36,057
I wouldn't think,
1609
01:46:36,057 --> 01:46:38,059
"Oh this is Pavement,"
or whatever.
1610
01:46:39,018 --> 01:46:40,061
Like, "Cool..."
1611
01:46:40,061 --> 01:46:44,023
So what's happening now?
What are you guys about to do?
1612
01:46:45,024 --> 01:46:46,984
That actually sounds alright.
1613
01:46:47,068 --> 01:46:48,986
You in?
1614
01:46:50,029 --> 01:46:51,989
You guys, go for it.
1615
01:46:52,073 --> 01:46:54,992
I'm gonna hang back,
work on some tunes.
1616
01:46:55,034 --> 01:46:56,994
Something new.
1617
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,040
I can't wait to hear it.
1618
01:47:01,082 --> 01:47:03,000
I love you, man.
1619
01:47:06,087 --> 01:47:08,005
See you, Steve.
1620
01:48:04,061 --> 01:48:07,023
♪ Hey, listen to me
1621
01:48:07,023 --> 01:48:09,066
♪ I'm on the stereo
1622
01:48:09,066 --> 01:48:11,027
♪ Stereo
1623
01:48:12,028 --> 01:48:14,989
♪ Baby, baby, baby
1624
01:48:15,031 --> 01:48:17,033
♪ In stereo ♪
1625
01:48:29,003 --> 01:48:30,046
Please welcome Pavement!
1626
01:48:30,046 --> 01:48:32,006
Please welcome Pavement.
1627
01:48:35,009 --> 01:48:38,012
♪ High-ho silver ride
1628
01:48:39,013 --> 01:48:42,016
♪ Take another ride to see me home
1629
01:48:42,058 --> 01:48:48,981
♪ Get off the air
I'm on the stereo, stereo
1630
01:48:49,065 --> 01:48:51,984
♪ Oh, my baby, baby, baby
1631
01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:53,027
♪ Baby, baby, baby
1632
01:48:53,027 --> 01:48:55,029
♪ Gave me malaria
1633
01:48:55,029 --> 01:48:56,989
♪ Hysteria ♪
1634
01:49:27,061 --> 01:49:29,063
I'll try to look like you,
you try to look like me.
1635
01:49:29,063 --> 01:49:30,064
That sounds good.
1636
01:49:33,025 --> 01:49:38,072
Thank you everybody for coming here
to the New York premiere of Range Life.
1637
01:49:38,990 --> 01:49:41,993
It's been an amazing journey so far,
and now it's finally coming out.
1638
01:49:41,993 --> 01:49:43,035
Joe Keery.
1639
01:49:44,036 --> 01:49:48,040
Pavement has a very interesting story,
but they're not Mötley Crüe.
1640
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:53,004
And that was my challenge as a writer,
how to heighten this story,
1641
01:49:53,045 --> 01:49:55,047
to the most epic rock saga of the '90s.
1642
01:49:55,047 --> 01:49:58,050
The movie I suppose
got compressed into this thing.
1643
01:49:58,050 --> 01:50:01,012
I kinda totally forgot
or blocked out of my mind.
1644
01:50:02,054 --> 01:50:04,056
So I have to watch it again, I think.
1645
01:50:04,056 --> 01:50:08,978
I would be curious as to how
people will interpret this.
1646
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:10,980
You know...
1647
01:50:11,063 --> 01:50:13,983
I can't really process, ya know...
1648
01:50:14,066 --> 01:50:15,985
any of it, so...
1649
01:50:15,985 --> 01:50:19,989
The selling out thing, that's weird for me
'cause like it's such a blip in my...
1650
01:50:20,072 --> 01:50:21,073
like...
1651
01:50:21,991 --> 01:50:25,036
So relatively irrelevant
to my feel of the band, you know?
1652
01:50:25,036 --> 01:50:27,038
The climax is where the climax is,
1653
01:50:27,038 --> 01:50:29,999
- then we tell the story we had to tell.
- Fine, it's a movie.
1654
01:50:29,999 --> 01:50:31,042
I hear you.
1655
01:50:35,046 --> 01:50:36,088
Thank you.
1656
01:50:37,006 --> 01:50:40,051
As long as people are seeing films,
as long as they're listening to music,
1657
01:50:40,051 --> 01:50:43,012
you'll be listening to Pavement,
and watching Range Life.
1658
01:50:47,016 --> 01:50:50,061
Maybe we can start doing
some exercises to remove...
1659
01:50:50,061 --> 01:50:53,064
Like an exorcism of Malkmus from me.
1660
01:51:01,989 --> 01:51:06,994
We had people who knew the band,
people's parents come up to me,
1661
01:51:06,994 --> 01:51:09,038
while we were working and say,
1662
01:51:09,038 --> 01:51:11,999
"I just saw a ghost."
1663
01:51:12,041 --> 01:51:16,003
"I just saw Stephen,
young Stephen."
1664
01:51:16,045 --> 01:51:17,963
But it was me.
1665
01:51:20,007 --> 01:51:22,051
You know, that's cool for me.
1666
01:51:30,059 --> 01:51:32,061
Oh, buddy!
1667
01:51:39,985 --> 01:51:41,987
So, I'm going
to ask you a question:
1668
01:51:41,987 --> 01:51:43,072
Why did Pavement break up?
1669
01:51:43,989 --> 01:51:48,077
Just too much touring,
too many interviews.
1670
01:51:52,039 --> 01:51:54,041
- Too many questions.
- Fair, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1671
01:51:54,041 --> 01:51:56,001
I get it, I hear you.
1672
01:51:56,043 --> 01:51:58,003
That's pretty much it, yeah.
1673
01:51:58,045 --> 01:52:01,006
Or Stop Breathin',
Are you gonna Stop Breathin' to me?
1674
01:52:11,058 --> 01:52:16,981
One, two, three, 19 million,
thousand, little birds explode.
1675
01:52:17,022 --> 01:52:18,065
In the Pavement style.
1676
01:52:18,065 --> 01:52:19,984
Let's just do the fast part.
1677
01:52:20,067 --> 01:52:23,028
That other part sucks.
Just do the fast part.
1678
01:52:23,028 --> 01:52:26,073
♪ Be as it may,
I'm happy to say, I'm alive
1679
01:52:27,032 --> 01:52:30,995
♪ 'Cause miles accrued
And passengers add up
1680
01:52:31,036 --> 01:52:34,039
♪ But the message in the mirror says
Stick with me ♪
1681
01:52:36,041 --> 01:52:37,960
Oh, shit.
1682
01:52:45,009 --> 01:52:48,012
♪ The damage has been done
1683
01:52:51,056 --> 01:52:55,060
♪ I am not having fun anymore
1684
01:53:02,026 --> 01:53:05,988
♪ I am not having fun anymore
1685
01:53:10,993 --> 01:53:13,078
♪ The damage has been done
1686
01:53:17,041 --> 01:53:21,045
♪ I am not having fun anymore
1687
01:53:22,046 --> 01:53:26,967
♪ Do what you do when you try what you get
When you see the light
1688
01:53:27,009 --> 01:53:30,012
♪ Come down, I'll set my hope
1689
01:53:30,971 --> 01:53:33,057
♪ In a wonderful hospital man ♪
1690
01:53:33,057 --> 01:53:37,019
At that point in those years,
when you played so many shows,
1691
01:53:37,019 --> 01:53:40,064
and you're that burned out,
you're just...
1692
01:53:41,023 --> 01:53:46,028
All you really wanna do is
get it over with on a good note.
1693
01:53:46,028 --> 01:53:48,989
And thankfully I really thought
that we did that.
1694
01:53:48,989 --> 01:53:50,032
Hi, I'm Steve.
1695
01:53:50,032 --> 01:53:52,034
- Do you want to come in?
- Sure.
1696
01:53:52,034 --> 01:53:54,078
- Give me your hand.
- OK.
1697
01:53:54,078 --> 01:53:56,997
♪ ...lock up the shots again
1698
01:53:56,997 --> 01:54:01,043
♪ But, Ann, don't you cry
1699
01:54:01,085 --> 01:54:04,004
♪ Don't you cry
1700
01:54:04,088 --> 01:54:07,049
♪ Don't you cry
1701
01:54:07,091 --> 01:54:09,051
♪ Don't you cry
1702
01:54:10,094 --> 01:54:12,972
♪ Don't you cry
1703
01:54:13,055 --> 01:54:16,016
♪ Don't you cry
1704
01:54:16,976 --> 01:54:19,019
♪ Don't you cry
1705
01:54:19,061 --> 01:54:21,021
♪ Don't you cry ♪
1706
01:54:21,021 --> 01:54:25,025
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1707
01:54:27,027 --> 01:54:32,992
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1708
01:54:33,033 --> 01:54:36,996
♪ Bring on the major leagues ♪
1709
01:54:37,037 --> 01:54:41,083
You know we're just a band
who enjoys doing the records and...
1710
01:54:43,043 --> 01:54:46,005
playing shows, it's very simple.
1711
01:55:05,983 --> 01:55:10,029
♪ Open call for prison architects
1712
01:55:13,032 --> 01:55:18,078
♪ Send me your blueprints ASAP
1713
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:26,045
♪ Stack the walls such
That I cannot breathe
1714
01:55:29,006 --> 01:55:33,010
♪ Man is breedin' forever
1715
01:55:38,015 --> 01:55:43,020
♪ I hope soon to leave from the east ♪
1716
01:55:43,062 --> 01:55:46,023
♪ ...myself with my hand ♪
1717
01:55:48,067 --> 01:55:51,987
♪ No more absolutes
1718
01:55:52,029 --> 01:55:55,032
♪ No more absolutes
1719
01:56:02,998 --> 01:56:05,042
♪ And run along, Leigh ♪
1720
01:56:07,044 --> 01:56:11,006
I like them so much more now that
they've sold out and gone on Report.
1721
01:56:14,009 --> 01:56:16,053
We'll be back with a performance
by the Pavements.
1722
01:56:16,053 --> 01:56:18,972
♪ ...to those gold soundz
1723
01:56:19,014 --> 01:56:21,058
♪ And keep my advent to your self ♪
1724
01:56:21,058 --> 01:56:23,977
Do you think the '90s
is having a moment now?
1725
01:56:24,019 --> 01:56:25,062
- Sort of, yeah.
- Is that what you're saying?
1726
01:56:26,021 --> 01:56:29,983
Well, I think that's a good thing
because that benefits me.
1727
01:56:31,026 --> 01:56:32,069
So I hope if goes on forever.
1728
01:56:35,989 --> 01:56:38,992
♪ Show me a word
That rhymes with Pavement...
1729
01:56:38,992 --> 01:56:42,037
- ♪ A word that rhymes with pavement
- ♪ That rhymes with pavement
1730
01:56:42,996 --> 01:56:44,081
♪ A word that rhymes with Pavement
1731
01:56:44,998 --> 01:56:48,043
♪ And I won't kill your parents
And roast them on a spit
1732
01:56:48,043 --> 01:56:52,005
♪ And don't you try to etch it
Or permanently... ♪
1733
01:56:52,047 --> 01:56:55,050
There was new life
breathed into Harness Your Hopes .
1734
01:56:55,050 --> 01:56:57,094
New life into Pavement really.
1735
01:56:58,011 --> 01:57:00,055
Now I know and it made me feel bad.
1736
01:57:00,097 --> 01:57:05,018
Bad but I didn't put it on the album.
Like nobody said, "That's a great song."
1737
01:57:05,060 --> 01:57:07,020
- Or something.
- Oh, I'm sure I did.
1738
01:57:08,063 --> 01:57:10,065
Welcome back to the Mina Kimes Show.
1739
01:57:13,068 --> 01:57:16,029
♪ I wish I was Stephen Malkmus ♪
1740
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:20,033
Stephen Malkmus really harnessed
the acerbic talk-singing
1741
01:57:20,033 --> 01:57:22,035
of Lou Reed
with post-punk influences.
1742
01:57:22,995 --> 01:57:24,997
Greta! I'm a huge fan!
1743
01:57:24,997 --> 01:57:28,000
- Oh, thank you so much!
- Yeah, yeah. Bob, nice to meet you.
1744
01:57:29,084 --> 01:57:32,045
- Nice to meet you. I remember Barbie.
- Yeah!
1745
01:57:32,045 --> 01:57:34,006
- Yeah...
- I know.
1746
01:57:34,047 --> 01:57:36,049
My one daughter heard it called,
1747
01:57:36,049 --> 01:57:39,052
- she heard her name, her last name--
- Oh, she did?
1748
01:57:39,052 --> 01:57:40,053
- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.
1749
01:57:40,053 --> 01:57:44,057
It's one of my greatest happinesses
that's it's in the movie.
1750
01:57:44,057 --> 01:57:47,019
Well if you're trying to sound
cool and smart,
1751
01:57:47,019 --> 01:57:49,062
you're gonna talk about Pavement.
1752
01:57:50,063 --> 01:57:51,982
That's right.
1753
01:57:52,024 --> 01:57:56,028
- What therapy the movie was for you!
- I love you, buddy.
1754
01:57:56,028 --> 01:57:58,071
I'm going into my character too.
1755
01:57:58,071 --> 01:58:00,073
- I know!
- Smooth things over!
1756
01:58:00,073 --> 01:58:03,035
I'm in the dressing room backstage,
1757
01:58:03,035 --> 01:58:06,997
right before Pavement's
about to play our last New York show.
1758
01:58:08,999 --> 01:58:10,000
Yeah.
1759
01:58:17,049 --> 01:58:19,051
Spit on a Stranger.
1760
01:58:23,055 --> 01:58:25,015
- An important song...
- Roll it.
1761
01:58:25,015 --> 01:58:26,016
To all of us.
1762
01:58:29,061 --> 01:58:32,022
♪ However you feel
1763
01:58:32,064 --> 01:58:35,025
♪ Whatever it takes
1764
01:58:35,025 --> 01:58:37,986
♪ Whenever it's real
1765
01:58:38,028 --> 01:58:40,989
♪ Whatever awaits
1766
01:58:41,031 --> 01:58:43,075
♪ Whatever you need
1767
01:58:43,992 --> 01:58:46,036
♪ However so slight
1768
01:58:46,078 --> 01:58:48,997
♪ Whenever it's real
1769
01:58:49,039 --> 01:58:52,000
♪ Whenever it's right
1770
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,089
♪ I've been thinking long and hard
About the things you said to me
1771
01:58:58,048 --> 01:59:02,010
♪ Like a bitter stranger
1772
01:59:03,011 --> 01:59:08,058
♪ And now I see the long, the short
The middle and what's in between
1773
01:59:09,977 --> 01:59:13,021
♪ I could spit on a stranger
1774
01:59:13,021 --> 01:59:15,023
♪ Pull me out
1775
01:59:15,065 --> 01:59:18,068
♪ You're a bitter stranger
1776
01:59:18,986 --> 01:59:21,029
♪ Pour me out
1777
01:59:21,029 --> 01:59:24,992
♪ I see the sunshine in your eyes ♪
1778
01:59:25,033 --> 01:59:27,077
Former art museum security guards.
1779
01:59:27,077 --> 01:59:31,081
Pavement have taken the main stage
at the Tibet Freedom Concert.
1780
01:59:31,999 --> 01:59:34,001
You're bonding together again
1781
01:59:34,001 --> 01:59:36,962
on stuff
that you did all those years ago.
1782
01:59:37,004 --> 01:59:39,089
But now you've got
a different outlook on life.
1783
01:59:40,048 --> 01:59:45,012
Have you kind of maybe considered
prolonging this honeymoon?
1784
01:59:45,012 --> 01:59:48,974
All our sharing, our children
and all the things we share now.
1785
01:59:49,016 --> 01:59:52,019
We would just say,
"Why don't we also share the band?"
1786
01:59:52,019 --> 01:59:55,063
We're wrinkled and gray and stuff
1787
01:59:55,063 --> 02:00:02,029
but everyone in the band is so grateful
and psyched to be there this time because
1788
02:00:02,988 --> 02:00:06,033
you just remember
all the good stuff and...
1789
02:00:06,074 --> 02:00:08,076
It means a lot to all of us.
1790
02:00:08,994 --> 02:00:12,998
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1791
02:00:14,041 --> 02:00:18,045
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1792
02:00:19,046 --> 02:00:24,009
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1793
02:00:25,010 --> 02:00:28,096
♪ Bring on the major leagues
1794
02:00:29,014 --> 02:00:33,018
♪ They'll wind you down sometime
Kids like wine
1795
02:00:33,018 --> 02:00:40,067
♪ Magic Christians chew my rind
'Cause bad girls are always bad girls
1796
02:00:53,038 --> 02:00:55,999
♪ I was dressed for success ♪
1797
02:00:55,999 --> 02:00:58,043
♪ Bring on the major leagues ♪
1798
02:00:58,043 --> 02:01:01,004
♪ But success it never comes ♪
1799
02:01:01,046 --> 02:01:04,007
♪ Bring on the major leagues ♪
1800
02:01:04,007 --> 02:01:05,008
♪ You're killing me
1801
02:01:05,008 --> 02:01:07,052
♪ Killing me, killing me
1802
02:01:07,094 --> 02:01:08,971
♪ Killing me
1803
02:01:09,012 --> 02:01:10,013
♪ Killing me ♪
1804
02:01:11,974 --> 02:01:15,018
♪ Bring on the major leagues ♪
1805
02:01:25,028 --> 02:01:27,990
♪ A shady lane
1806
02:01:27,990 --> 02:01:30,033
♪ Everybody wants one
1807
02:01:30,075 --> 02:01:33,036
♪ A shady lane
1808
02:01:33,036 --> 02:01:35,038
♪ Everybody needs one
1809
02:02:20,083 --> 02:02:22,044
That's it, that's the finale!
1810
02:02:43,023 --> 02:02:46,026
♪ The damage has been done
1811
02:02:46,068 --> 02:02:50,072
♪ And I'm not having fun anymore
1812
02:02:50,989 --> 02:02:52,991
♪ To those above
1813
02:02:52,991 --> 02:02:55,994
♪ Take us out, throw us down
1814
02:02:56,036 --> 02:02:57,996
♪ Shove us out
1815
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:02,000
♪ Don't you cry, don't you cry ♪
1816
02:03:04,002 --> 02:03:07,089
♪ Come join us in a prayer
1817
02:03:08,090 --> 02:03:12,969
♪ We'll be waiting, waiting where ♪
1818
02:03:13,053 --> 02:03:14,054
Hell, yeah.
1819
02:03:14,054 --> 02:03:18,058
♪ Everything's ending here ♪
1820
02:03:19,017 --> 02:03:21,061
All I have to say
about this is I would never release this,
1821
02:03:21,061 --> 02:03:24,981
'cause we're on tour in Europe
and I haven't had a chance to cut my hair.
1822
02:03:24,981 --> 02:03:27,067
So as far as I'm concerned,
I look like an idiot.
1823
02:03:27,067 --> 02:03:30,028
This is where he got his idea
for cuttin' his hair?
1824
02:03:31,029 --> 02:03:33,990
I love that hairstyle, it's funny.
You look like a mushroom man.
1825
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:35,033
I look stupid.
1826
02:03:35,033 --> 02:03:36,076
You look like a mushroom head.
1827
02:03:36,076 --> 02:03:37,994
Yeah.
1828
02:03:38,036 --> 02:03:39,996
- How do you look, Mark?
- I think it's...
1829
02:03:40,038 --> 02:03:42,082
I haven't seen myself
and I probably won't, either.
1830
02:03:44,042 --> 02:03:49,047
I disagree with Stephen, I think that
it's an important document of our past.
1831
02:04:15,031 --> 02:04:18,034
You know I don't have any games
on there anymore.
1832
02:04:22,038 --> 02:04:24,040
I made a little mistake.
1833
02:04:24,082 --> 02:04:27,002
I made a little mistake, guys.
1834
02:04:28,086 --> 02:04:29,963
Pueblo and
1835
02:04:29,963 --> 02:04:31,006
Heckler Spray, Linden
1836
02:04:32,007 --> 02:04:33,049
Debris Slide
1837
02:04:33,967 --> 02:04:36,011
No. Heckler Spray...
1838
02:04:36,052 --> 02:04:39,055
- Pueblo...
- Pueblo, Heckler Spray, Linden,
1839
02:04:39,055 --> 02:04:41,016
Embassy Road, Debris Slide.
1840
02:04:44,019 --> 02:04:46,062
Very minor changes.
The order has changed.
1841
02:04:46,062 --> 02:04:48,064
After Pueblo...
1842
02:04:50,025 --> 02:04:54,029
He put Heckler Spray slash Linden...
1843
02:04:57,032 --> 02:04:58,992
Roxy changed it around.
1844
02:04:58,992 --> 02:05:01,036
Roxy wants to hear Cut Your Hair, so...
1845
02:05:01,036 --> 02:05:04,998
And Steve agreed, so we got rid of
Serpentine Pad and...
1846
02:05:38,073 --> 02:05:41,076
Listen up. As one of the divisions
on the Pavement group,
1847
02:05:41,993 --> 02:05:44,037
and there is a parent in residence.
1848
02:05:44,996 --> 02:05:47,082
- Which I am.
- Residence? Oh, no!
1849
02:05:50,001 --> 02:05:52,045
We are here to introduce... Pavement.
1850
02:06:01,012 --> 02:06:03,014
Stephen, the singer.
1851
02:06:08,061 --> 02:06:14,025
♪ Grave architecture
1852
02:06:16,987 --> 02:06:20,031
♪ Walk the marble malls
1853
02:06:20,073 --> 02:06:24,035
♪ The monuments to those who fall ♪
1854
02:06:24,995 --> 02:06:28,999
I'm going to encourage you
to listen to this song,
1855
02:06:29,082 --> 02:06:31,960
Otherwise, go to the fucking bathroom.
1856
02:06:32,002 --> 02:06:34,045
Let's just stick to the list,
I didn't make it. Let's do it.
1857
02:06:34,087 --> 02:06:36,047
Two, three...
1858
02:06:48,059 --> 02:06:50,979
It's gonna be in the credits
as the movie goes down,
1859
02:06:50,979 --> 02:06:52,981
like you have to watch
another 15 minutes...
1860
02:06:53,023 --> 02:06:55,984
- People walk out.
- What huge assholes these guys are.
1861
02:06:56,985 --> 02:07:02,032
Yeah, we were trying so hard to find
an asshole moment, we finally found it.
1862
02:07:02,991 --> 02:07:07,078
♪ You're my summer babe
1863
02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:13,001
♪ Summer babe
1864
02:07:15,003 --> 02:07:17,088
♪ Summer babe
1865
02:07:20,008 --> 02:07:23,011
♪ Summer babe ♪
1866
02:07:27,057 --> 02:07:30,018
- Thank you.
- Thank you all.
1867
02:07:38,985 --> 02:07:43,031
♪ I need to sleep
1868
02:07:45,992 --> 02:07:49,996
♪ I need to sleep
1869
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:55,043
♪ I need to sleep ♪