1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:21,331 --> 00:01:25,085 So I want to say, at first, I had to learn to survive, 4 00:01:25,168 --> 00:01:28,004 to be able to even stay in the water with them. 5 00:01:28,588 --> 00:01:31,841 Um, and where most people, if they were charged by a shark, 6 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:34,803 they would have, like, gotten the fuck out of the water… 7 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:37,514 Clip this on the back. 8 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:41,768 …because I stayed in the water after being rushed by a shark, right? 9 00:01:41,851 --> 00:01:44,270 I was able to actually observe natural behavior, 10 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:46,064 and that's when I started to learn 11 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:48,942 shark language. 12 00:01:50,527 --> 00:01:52,862 Everybody knows who Ocean Ramsey is. 13 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:54,447 Ocean Ramsey. 14 00:01:54,531 --> 00:01:55,365 Ocean Ramsey. 15 00:01:55,448 --> 00:01:56,950 Fearless. Daredevil. 16 00:01:57,033 --> 00:01:59,577 She's on the news. It's going around the world. 17 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,287 -Her name's Ocean? -Her name is Ocean. 18 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:04,749 But nobody knows about her story. 19 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,377 I wanna explore. 20 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:09,212 I wanna push the limits. 21 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:13,007 It's like I'm made to do this. 22 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:24,477 The emotions and the connection that I feel, 23 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,104 it's overwhelming. 24 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:29,190 This is what I'm alive for. 25 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:37,907 I'm not a crazy person. 26 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:40,243 I'm hyperaware of what they're capable of. 27 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:44,122 It's just that sharks are the calling that I have. 28 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:51,588 This is breaking barriers. Something could go wrong. 29 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:55,717 Believed to be the largest great white shark on record 30 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,302 anywhere in the world. 31 00:02:57,385 --> 00:02:59,846 She gets in the water and asks the question, 32 00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:03,641 "Why should I be afraid?" 33 00:03:19,824 --> 00:03:21,284 I'd like to be 34 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,245 I'd like to be 35 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:26,372 With you 36 00:03:27,123 --> 00:03:29,292 My little chickadee 37 00:03:30,793 --> 00:03:32,545 Just with you 38 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:35,965 'Neath the skies of blue 39 00:03:36,758 --> 00:03:37,842 Holding hands 40 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:39,344 Growing up in Hawaii 41 00:03:40,595 --> 00:03:42,972 really shaped me as a person. 42 00:03:44,974 --> 00:03:48,686 Just looking out at the ocean and the different colors 43 00:03:50,438 --> 00:03:52,565 and feeling the power in the waves. 44 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:58,738 I was actually kind of a shy kid growing up. 45 00:03:58,821 --> 00:04:00,823 Very quiet. Very quiet. 46 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:06,037 I was definitely much more drawn 47 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,082 to just interacting with animals out in nature 48 00:04:11,125 --> 00:04:15,838 rather than socializing with other humans, truthfully. 49 00:04:17,131 --> 00:04:18,716 I was like a little wild child. 50 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:26,432 Being out in nature… 51 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:33,273 makes me feel connected to something higher 52 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:34,857 and greater than myself. 53 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:44,909 The first time that I saw a shark with my own eyes, 54 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:46,953 I think I was maybe seven or eight years old. 55 00:04:54,877 --> 00:04:57,797 And it centers right below me. 56 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:06,848 And so at that moment, I have that choice. 57 00:05:07,348 --> 00:05:08,349 Do I follow it, 58 00:05:09,684 --> 00:05:12,603 or is this supposed to be something that I'm afraid of? 59 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:19,277 I swam after it for a little bit. 60 00:05:23,197 --> 00:05:28,328 That's such a cool experience to have and to have that natural fascination. 61 00:05:33,416 --> 00:05:36,294 And that fascination has never left me. 62 00:05:45,845 --> 00:05:48,556 When I'm around them, I feel most alive. 63 00:05:50,391 --> 00:05:53,895 And it's not an adrenaline rush. It's a feeling of connection, 64 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:59,233 where I feel the most myself. 65 00:06:06,532 --> 00:06:10,328 There's something so magnetic for me about sharks. 66 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:15,249 And I feel like that's because that's what my life was meant for. 67 00:06:17,418 --> 00:06:18,836 It's my point and purpose. 68 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:41,984 Photography was a passion I developed through surfing. 69 00:06:42,777 --> 00:06:44,153 In the early stages of my life, 70 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:47,615 I kind of thought that I would become a surf photographer. 71 00:06:48,282 --> 00:06:50,034 Sadly, along the way, 72 00:06:50,118 --> 00:06:53,704 I realized that if I wanted to make it as a surf photographer, 73 00:06:54,288 --> 00:06:57,333 I would have to give up the best days of surfing 74 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:00,002 in order to make money photographing it, right? 75 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:02,922 So I was like, "Ooh!" I didn't really anticipate that. 76 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:09,387 But, as a surfer growing up in Hawaii, I was petrified of sharks, right? 77 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:13,015 I think I was like seven, eight. 78 00:07:14,225 --> 00:07:17,270 And there was a lot of shark attacks. 79 00:07:18,312 --> 00:07:21,065 Coming up, we'll tell you about O'ahu's latest attack. 80 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:23,025 Shark came up from underneath it. 81 00:07:23,109 --> 00:07:25,862 The shark hit him twice, got his arm. 82 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:28,614 You don't really feel that comfortable out surfing. 83 00:07:30,032 --> 00:07:32,452 That fear spread through the whole community 84 00:07:32,535 --> 00:07:34,370 and through my whole childhood. 85 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:37,165 Under pressure from a nervous tourist industry, 86 00:07:37,248 --> 00:07:39,584 the state of Hawaii launched a shark task force 87 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,210 to deal with the attacks. 88 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:44,422 The controversial decision was made to start killing sharks. 89 00:07:46,632 --> 00:07:49,635 And I was like, "The only good shark is a dead shark." 90 00:07:56,601 --> 00:07:58,769 I was down there, Hale'iwa Harbor. 91 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:01,939 They had the tiger sharks sprawled out on the launch ramps. 92 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,817 Like 20 or 30, and cheering the fishermen on. 93 00:08:05,568 --> 00:08:07,153 I was just a scared little kid. 94 00:08:08,362 --> 00:08:09,864 Didn't really know any better. 95 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:18,414 It's sad that that was my background 96 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:21,709 up until I actually got to go dive with one, 97 00:08:21,792 --> 00:08:24,462 and it was the opposite of what I thought it would be. 98 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:34,472 A buddy of mine, we kind of started doing dive charters… 99 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:40,061 and trying to teach people more about sharks. 100 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:45,942 We kind of helped start the whole cage tourism industry out here, 101 00:08:50,696 --> 00:08:53,282 which was a really hard thing to do back in the day, 102 00:08:54,408 --> 00:08:57,453 because there was still so much fear here in the community. 103 00:08:57,537 --> 00:09:00,790 Friends that wouldn't even talk to me now because I like sharks. 104 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:03,918 They're like, "You're bringing the monsters to our hometown." 105 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:06,921 I'm like, "They're not monsters. And they were here before us." 106 00:09:07,004 --> 00:09:09,090 "We need to learn how to coexist", right? 107 00:09:09,173 --> 00:09:13,010 So that… that was what, you know, really kind of, um, 108 00:09:13,094 --> 00:09:16,097 really kind of set the stage for me meeting Ocean. 109 00:09:19,892 --> 00:09:22,311 2006 is when I first met her. 110 00:09:24,981 --> 00:09:26,232 She was teaching scuba. 111 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:29,235 I was a captain on a shark boat. 112 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:39,453 The first day, I remember she was like, "If you want to get certified under me, 113 00:09:40,788 --> 00:09:44,000 you have to come with me and you have to see sharks in the wild." 114 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:48,004 "'Cause I want you to know how sharks really are." 115 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,303 And, um, I was instantly like, "Oh my God, she's amazing." Right? 116 00:09:58,806 --> 00:10:00,808 So at the time when we met, 117 00:10:00,891 --> 00:10:03,352 I was getting out of a two-year relationship, 118 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,146 and I really wanted to be single. 119 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,403 I was like, "Oh, she's not into me. She's being super quiet. 120 00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:14,572 "She doesn't wanna talk to me. She's not into me." 121 00:10:15,906 --> 00:10:18,159 I just… I need to focus on the sharks. 122 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:22,538 Sharks are the calling that I have. 123 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:28,919 Here in Hawaii, we have over 30 different species of shark. 124 00:10:32,089 --> 00:10:33,841 Most of them will swim away. 125 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:40,598 But tiger sharks, they definitely feel different. 126 00:10:44,852 --> 00:10:47,605 They're darker on the top with these beautiful stripes. 127 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,072 And they're gonna max out usually around 18 feet in length. 128 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:03,788 They're so curious and cognitive and aware. 129 00:11:10,753 --> 00:11:13,839 They can essentially eat almost anything. 130 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:21,889 They can bite through turtle shell and bone. 131 00:11:21,972 --> 00:11:23,933 The body of a 60-year-old woman… 132 00:11:24,016 --> 00:11:25,643 She didn't see the shark coming. 133 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:29,563 And they're capable of short bursts of incredible speed. 134 00:11:31,148 --> 00:11:32,817 Tiger shark! 135 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,113 People are so afraid of them. 136 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:44,787 And that fear comes from a lack of understanding. 137 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:54,505 Sharks have been around at least 400 million years. 138 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:57,925 Sylvia is one of the ocean's greatest defenders. 139 00:11:58,008 --> 00:12:01,387 This dedication has made her a kind of underwater royalty, 140 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:03,139 nicknamed Her Deepness. 141 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:05,683 Sure we can't do this underwater? 142 00:12:06,183 --> 00:12:10,646 They're a critical part of what makes the ocean function. 143 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,148 My name is Kim Holland. 144 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:15,359 I'm a research professor at the Hawai'i Institute of Marine Biology, 145 00:12:15,443 --> 00:12:19,113 and I founded the shark research group here 40 years ago. 146 00:12:20,239 --> 00:12:23,075 Sharks have evolved in this top predator role. 147 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,411 If you take out the sharks, 148 00:12:25,494 --> 00:12:28,998 then you've put a ripple effect down through the rest of the food chain. 149 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:32,042 We need the ocean. We need a healthy living ocean. 150 00:12:32,126 --> 00:12:34,712 We need all the pieces to be working 151 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:38,883 as they have worked long before there even were humans. 152 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:40,426 If we disturb that ecosystem, 153 00:12:40,509 --> 00:12:44,138 even if we don't know exactly what our impacts are, it can't be good. 154 00:12:48,142 --> 00:12:52,396 One of the worst enemies of sharks is ignorance. 155 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,232 Because people, they have that part of the story. 156 00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:58,486 We don't have the counterbalance. 157 00:12:58,569 --> 00:13:01,655 We have no understanding of what their life is like. 158 00:13:01,739 --> 00:13:05,201 We have no understanding of the struggles that they have to go through 159 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:06,327 in their daily life. 160 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:07,745 That would change the story. 161 00:13:14,835 --> 00:13:17,713 With Juan, what really caught my attention 162 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:21,050 was how he was talking about sharks. 163 00:13:23,177 --> 00:13:25,679 I could hear the passion that he had for them. 164 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:31,644 And up until that point, 165 00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:35,064 I had never met another person 166 00:13:36,273 --> 00:13:37,733 that was saying those things. 167 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:40,611 It caught my heart. 168 00:13:40,694 --> 00:13:41,904 Yeah, I'm ready. 169 00:13:44,156 --> 00:13:47,952 And then we were just going diving together every single day. 170 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,749 She's like this beautiful wild animal… 171 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:58,462 that's trying to live life as a human. 172 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:02,716 Just gotta try and keep up. 173 00:14:06,762 --> 00:14:08,097 It was cool with Juan. 174 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:10,683 It was like, "We could do this all day, every day." 175 00:14:10,766 --> 00:14:13,853 And he was, like, as obsessed as I was, I think. 176 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:23,445 Back then, she was like, "I wanna see sharks." 177 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:25,447 All the time. 178 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:30,369 That became like an obsession almost. 179 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:36,709 But here in Hawaii, 180 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:40,796 tiger sharks are the one that humans are most concerned with, 181 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,342 given how powerful that they are, how quickly they could take life. 182 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:56,729 I don't think people realize 183 00:14:57,605 --> 00:15:01,525 how much time was put into identifying the areas 184 00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:03,861 where we can guarantee to see them. 185 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:10,784 Literally thousands of drift dives… 186 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:14,955 from season to season to season, 187 00:15:16,957 --> 00:15:20,127 marking on the GPS every time we would see a shark… 188 00:15:22,671 --> 00:15:23,964 and what species, 189 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:26,258 how many. 190 00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:31,055 After finding progressively more and more sharks… 191 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,521 eventually, we found pretty much the damn near perfect site. 192 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:52,117 The strong convergent currents are 193 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:55,329 probably the biggest driver of why the sharks are there. 194 00:15:58,749 --> 00:16:02,127 The current is converging at that specific point 195 00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:04,630 because of the bottom contour of the ocean, 196 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:07,675 as well as the contour of the land. 197 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:18,894 People thought that you needed a cage because sharks were dangerous. 198 00:16:20,437 --> 00:16:24,358 But the changemakers are the ones that try something a little different, right? 199 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,614 I wanna prove to the world that they're not monsters. 200 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:32,157 That is what I wanna prove. 201 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,929 I'll be honest, 202 00:16:54,763 --> 00:16:58,183 I had nerves. I wasn't, like, you know, expressing them, 203 00:16:58,267 --> 00:17:01,562 even though I was a little uncomfortable at times, for sure. 204 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:07,401 But Ocean is definitely, you know, alpha position in our relationship. 205 00:17:07,484 --> 00:17:09,111 And I have no problem with that. 206 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:13,198 She had the lead on it, right? 207 00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:15,909 I'm just gonna film. 208 00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:25,377 They've got thicker skin, sharper teeth and they can outswim me. 209 00:17:30,841 --> 00:17:32,718 How do I not get caught off guard? 210 00:17:36,638 --> 00:17:38,057 Everything goes so fast. 211 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:42,936 I'm literally, at that moment, in front of a shark's mouth. 212 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:45,606 And in my mind, it's just like, "You gotta survive." 213 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:48,650 I'm like, "Okay, let's push down." 214 00:18:02,206 --> 00:18:04,416 Even though it looked out of control to me, 215 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:07,252 she always had this control over the situation. 216 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,846 I found that the longer I stayed down there, 217 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:21,934 the more that they would treat me sort of like another shark. 218 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:28,107 But every couple of minutes, I'd pop up to breathe. 219 00:18:34,905 --> 00:18:37,241 I decided to increase my breath hold 220 00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:40,911 in order to spend more time with them. 221 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:50,796 Free diving, if you're spending time with sharks, 222 00:18:50,879 --> 00:18:52,005 it's so much better, 223 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:56,969 because you're much more like another marine animal 224 00:18:57,845 --> 00:18:58,804 and more agile. 225 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,937 I've always had a natural edge for free diving. 226 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,524 But I wanted to better myself. 227 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:19,158 When the urges to breathe come, 228 00:19:19,783 --> 00:19:22,870 and your initial thought is, "Oh my gosh, I have to breathe," 229 00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:26,290 you can train out of that by just being like, 230 00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:30,043 "No. I realize, actually, like, my body can go longer. 231 00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:47,019 And it literally changed the way that my brain interprets pain. 232 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:05,829 I was constantly pushing myself. 233 00:20:10,584 --> 00:20:13,837 And it was the sharks that drove me to do that. 234 00:20:25,307 --> 00:20:28,227 Now I can hold my breath for over six and a half minutes. 235 00:20:34,816 --> 00:20:39,238 I would then get to watch them interacting with one another, 236 00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:43,784 and that was when I got to see their language and their communication. 237 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:51,291 There was something that I read when I was younger. 238 00:20:54,461 --> 00:20:57,214 Somebody had studied bees in a beehive 239 00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:04,304 and realized that they do a little dance to communicate to one another. 240 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,601 I think that was what branched out in my mind. 241 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,027 Sharks don't just swim at random. 242 00:21:25,492 --> 00:21:27,911 There's actually a lot of patterns. 243 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,260 It was the patterns of social hierarchy. 244 00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,723 Following or piggybacking. 245 00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:52,269 Interception or blocking. 246 00:21:56,315 --> 00:22:00,027 One of the most obvious ones to me was parallel swimming. 247 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:04,781 Two sharks line up side by side, 248 00:22:06,241 --> 00:22:07,326 sizing each other up. 249 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:15,459 And it's generally the larger shark that's gonna take that higher position. 250 00:22:20,589 --> 00:22:23,300 Or occasionally, I would see them actually turn over 251 00:22:23,383 --> 00:22:25,761 at that individual that's sizing up with them. 252 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:28,930 Like, "Hey, don't do that." 253 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,867 Dropping its pectoral fins down. 254 00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:52,704 This is a little bit of a threat display. 255 00:22:57,626 --> 00:23:01,046 I realized that if I'm tense or nervous or stressed, 256 00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:05,384 whatever those emotions are, they are reflected in your body, 257 00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:08,345 in small muscle movements. 258 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:13,141 The sharks are so highly evolved that they pick up on it. 259 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:18,188 It feels like they're reading your mind. 260 00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:24,736 If you can make your intentions very clear in your mind, 261 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:27,781 your muscles in your body will sort of reflect that. 262 00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:33,578 And it makes you look at the world like a shark. 263 00:23:42,212 --> 00:23:45,674 Opening this door, it really opened my eyes. 264 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,647 It wasn't until a little while later 265 00:24:00,730 --> 00:24:05,068 I became more accustomed to recognizing certain individuals. 266 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:18,999 I didn't even realize like, you know, "It's Nikki," yet. 267 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:21,751 You know, we're not on a "first-name basis" yet, 268 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:23,044 but I recognize her. 269 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:27,549 I remember some of the scars that she had. 270 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,013 Like, "Do you remember me?" 271 00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:35,515 "Is that you?" 272 00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:41,146 Kind of like waving at a friend, like, "Hey." 273 00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:50,530 Sharks have a nictitating membrane, which is actually their eyelid. 274 00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:53,408 And it folds up instead of down. 275 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:56,453 They use it for protection. 276 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,416 I love seeing them fight it. 277 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:05,003 And, like, as they get close, they wanna keep it open. 278 00:25:05,086 --> 00:25:06,379 And they wanna look. 279 00:25:14,471 --> 00:25:17,724 Nikki would come up and then open her eyes 280 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:20,352 and look at me. 281 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:25,565 "Yeah, I see you." You know what I mean? 282 00:25:31,112 --> 00:25:35,158 When the eye is lifted, it just shows the level of trust. 283 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,371 What if I just put my hand out? 284 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:43,458 And I'm just gonna adapt to whatever she's giving me. 285 00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,336 And then Nikki responds to that. 286 00:25:58,181 --> 00:26:00,850 There's something going on here that I can't explain. 287 00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:02,644 Like, they are communicating. 288 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:10,485 In that moment of contact, there is so much said. 289 00:26:12,988 --> 00:26:14,614 Sharks have this sensory system 290 00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:18,326 where they can feel the electrical output from living organisms. 291 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:22,122 So she's literally feeling who I am 292 00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:25,083 on a level that we don't sense the world. 293 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:37,721 Not everything can be quantified. 294 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:43,018 It doesn't mean that it's not happening. 295 00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:56,406 So at that point, I remember I was getting really good images 296 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:58,408 and, you know, trying to get out there 297 00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:01,661 and get the message across. 298 00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:07,250 But still, the conversation was, "Monster, monster." 299 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,549 But we just gotta change the music, change the way we look at sharks. 300 00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:17,218 Flip the perception. 301 00:27:34,736 --> 00:27:36,946 When I had Ocean in the photos, 302 00:27:38,031 --> 00:27:40,450 it was, like, that key component where they're like, 303 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:41,993 "Why isn't she getting eaten?" 304 00:27:50,585 --> 00:27:52,295 From that moment that I realized 305 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,632 that human component of interacting with sharks is the difference, 306 00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:58,843 that people can connect with and really see sharks differently. 307 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:02,681 "Oh my gosh, maybe they're not like Jaws." 308 00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:11,731 Since that moment, I've just filmed every interaction that I possibly can. 309 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,737 That was what I needed to do every single day. 310 00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:25,286 Putting yourself out there… 311 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,164 …is also just putting yourself out there for criticism. 312 00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:37,757 I'm very nervous about this whole Ocean Ramsey thing. 313 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:39,217 In Hawaiian practice, 314 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:42,470 you don't force yourself onto something else. 315 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:44,305 You allow something to come to you. 316 00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,308 She's notorious for it. 317 00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:51,563 Everyone in the shark industry knows who she is and what she does. 318 00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:53,982 More for the Gram and more for the shot. 319 00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,485 People see that, they wanna be part of it, it draws them in. 320 00:28:58,069 --> 00:28:59,863 Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it. 321 00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:01,656 People don't listen to us anyway… 322 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,117 What are we even here for? To pick up the pieces. 323 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,370 To do this and put it out to masses and let people see that, 324 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:09,664 it sends the wrong message. 325 00:29:10,248 --> 00:29:11,958 'Cause everybody thinks they can do it. 326 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:17,130 If a shark makes that connection with you, that's, I think, a different story. 327 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:22,135 I want to know you. I want to feel you. I want to understand. 328 00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:26,389 Whatever reason you feel the need to have your hand on this animal, 329 00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:29,768 you better understand what's going on and what you're getting yourself into. 330 00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:34,898 You watch Ocean and Juan, they understand the shark. 331 00:29:36,316 --> 00:29:38,401 You won't find many people like that. 332 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:42,363 Understand in their mind and their heart and being in sync. 333 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:44,783 Not only with the shark but in the ocean. 334 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:49,496 To see this young woman at peace with these big animals 335 00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:54,959 causes us to see through her eyes, to see them differently. 336 00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:59,506 I think that that's a very good way to change the human perceptions. 337 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:04,636 What they are trying to show is that we don't have to be afraid of the animals. 338 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:09,432 That's what they are really trying to make people understand. 339 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,226 She gets in the water and… 340 00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:16,773 and asks the question, "Why should I be afraid?" 341 00:30:16,856 --> 00:30:19,317 Most of the time, you're gonna get away with it, 342 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,236 but some of the time, you're not. 343 00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:33,832 It's a weird line that we run that's like, how do you find that balance 344 00:30:33,915 --> 00:30:37,669 between, you know, humanizing and showing their personality 345 00:30:37,752 --> 00:30:40,630 and how incredible they are and that they're not monsters? 346 00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:44,425 But then they're apex predators, not puppies. 347 00:30:48,304 --> 00:30:49,722 And if it doesn't go well, 348 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:52,684 it's on us. We're offshore. 349 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,561 It's not like anyone needs to know. 350 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:57,230 We don't have kids. 351 00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:01,651 We don't really have anything that we're risking except for our own lives. 352 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:07,198 I'm good to go anytime. Like, what is it? 353 00:31:07,282 --> 00:31:11,327 It's not the years in your life. It's the life in your years. 354 00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:13,621 And I'm-- Phew, wow, Shark. 355 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,499 -Sharkey can clear the room! -You know how to clear a room. 356 00:31:16,583 --> 00:31:20,795 He's like, "Oh yeah. Remember me? Remember." 357 00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:24,716 I hope he doesn't start to pick up on this, 358 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,886 that if he starts to do that, I'll roll the window down. 359 00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,141 Fashionably on Aloha Time. 360 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:34,726 Yeah, guys! 361 00:31:34,809 --> 00:31:36,269 Sorry we're late! 362 00:31:36,352 --> 00:31:37,395 Oh. 363 00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:40,940 Yeah. You're so big, every time! 364 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,902 Look what I brought you. They're shark tattoos. 365 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:45,028 -Thank you! -Yeah! 366 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,239 So you can have a tattoo like your dad. 367 00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:54,787 So I was thinking we could make these cute little shark bracelets. 368 00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:58,249 Wait, how did the shark lose its teeth? 369 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,419 So, sharks are so lucky. They never have to go to the dentist. 370 00:32:01,502 --> 00:32:03,254 I met Ocean and Juan, 371 00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:05,840 and I had just done this little baby project with them. 372 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,928 We went on one dive, and I think I contacted them immediately. 373 00:32:10,011 --> 00:32:13,014 And I was like, "Hey, I wanna do this again." 374 00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:21,230 When you are swimming with a big shark, 375 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:26,527 there is an energy and there is a presence to it 376 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:28,488 that's really difficult to describe. 377 00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:39,374 You just realize that you're swimming with something 378 00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:43,002 that's been around in some form or another since before trees. 379 00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:49,133 You're swimming with a dinosaur. 380 00:33:00,269 --> 00:33:03,856 Ocean and Juan, they're perfectly conditioned and skilled 381 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,316 to do what they're doing. 382 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:08,444 They live it. 383 00:33:12,865 --> 00:33:14,742 And I think it's much more dangerous 384 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:17,161 for a person who wouldn't be able to live it. 385 00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:31,259 Phew, I would honestly say I'm still scared every time. 386 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:37,598 It's really important to be calm 387 00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:41,394 and to be a competent predator in their presence. 388 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,481 There's kind of no room for weakness with them. 389 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:52,780 But as I encounter a shark, I don't know what their history is. 390 00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:57,243 I don't know what their history is with humans. 391 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:02,123 That is going to be a factor into the way that they interact with me. 392 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:10,173 Oh gosh. There's like-- Okay. So Kalihi, Kalihi, Kalihi… 393 00:34:12,175 --> 00:34:13,342 Hi, Kalihi! 394 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,721 Kalihi means "the edge" in Hawaiian. 395 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,437 She came in as a juvenile, very powerful juvenile. 396 00:34:26,689 --> 00:34:29,817 Watching her rush up to anything. 397 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:31,986 Bump. Bite. 398 00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:36,324 Wow. 399 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:39,327 She's so much more intense than the others. 400 00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:44,791 She's very smart. 401 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:52,840 Kalihi threw something that I hadn't seen before. 402 00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:56,761 Coming up and like chomping on the surface… 403 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,227 to create bubbles. 404 00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,605 So it'd be like blind on the surface. 405 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:13,152 She throws so many curveballs. 406 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:19,367 The way that she would try and, like, turn her body around, 407 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:24,789 it was almost like she had learned my methods. 408 00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:27,708 I don't know how. 409 00:35:30,336 --> 00:35:32,463 I knew that she knew what she was doing. 410 00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:34,507 And I wasn't gonna second guess her. 411 00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:37,051 I was never gonna give her any seed of doubt. 412 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,804 It's not a video game. 413 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:43,891 There's no pause. 414 00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,153 She was challenging Ocean. 415 00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:09,041 Accept the risks. Acknowledge them and move on. 416 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:23,055 All that time in the water, the sharks were teaching me. 417 00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:25,975 They were shaping my movements in the water 418 00:36:26,058 --> 00:36:28,186 the way that they shape other animals. 419 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:42,617 They would approach me from different angles. 420 00:36:56,631 --> 00:37:00,509 They would show me that they like to use their countershading from below. 421 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,898 Those experiences helped me learn to redirect. 422 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:16,275 Pushing down. 423 00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:19,654 Locking at the elbow. 424 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,334 It's almost like a beautiful dance. 425 00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:37,880 If she wanted the sharks to come closer, she would put her head down, 426 00:37:38,965 --> 00:37:40,091 tuck into a ball. 427 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:48,140 If you need more space, all you have to do is go vertical, posture up. 428 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,687 Be a little bit more direct with that eye contact. 429 00:37:56,357 --> 00:38:00,069 So let them know, "Hey, I'm an equal predator, and I'm aware." 430 00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:06,617 When you need to hold your ground, you hold your ground. 431 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:18,796 She's so aware, just, like, so knowledgeable about the animals. 432 00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:31,058 For me, behind the camera, sometimes I get a little complacent. 433 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,981 When you're looking through a lens, it's sort of tunnel vision. 434 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,819 I have to look out for him. 435 00:38:58,461 --> 00:39:00,004 She's taught me so much. 436 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:04,050 All the behaviors. 437 00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:07,803 And then, this is how you do it strategically to make it safe. 438 00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:16,187 Ocean's really made it more of a… kind of, more of a science. 439 00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:39,460 If you're on a longboard, you're less likely to get approached. 440 00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:42,630 If you're swimming with someone, you're less likely to get approached. 441 00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:47,510 Minimizing splashing, minimizing anything that can draw attention to yourself. 442 00:39:47,593 --> 00:39:48,844 I'm just gonna take a pause… 443 00:39:48,928 --> 00:39:51,972 Keeping humans separate from sharks isn't a reality. 444 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:54,558 There's gonna be a lot of people that wanna swim, surf, and dive, 445 00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:56,268 and they're gonna encounter sharks. 446 00:39:56,352 --> 00:39:57,395 I want people to be safe 447 00:39:57,478 --> 00:40:00,314 because when an accident happens, that doesn't help my cause, 448 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,149 that doesn't help shark conservation, 449 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,693 that doesn't help the reputation of a shark. 450 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:07,613 And so I feel a very strong moral obligation 451 00:40:07,696 --> 00:40:12,159 to make sure that people stay safe and that they are taught how to stay safe. 452 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:17,456 One of the things about shark attacks is that in almost all cases, 453 00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:22,711 the person attacked, um, never knew that they were gonna be attacked. 454 00:40:23,295 --> 00:40:27,675 So they never had the chance to take evasive action. 455 00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:33,347 My perspective on what she does, it's more for show than it is for science. 456 00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:36,767 If you are a scientist or you are not a scientist, 457 00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:40,354 that doesn't matter that much. For me, what matters 458 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:46,402 is the amount of time that you spend with these animals. 459 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:49,697 I think she probably has a strong understanding of shark behavior 460 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:52,616 because of the time that she spent in the water with these animals. 461 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:54,660 But in the actual research community, 462 00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:57,997 she doesn't have any respect. 463 00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:00,249 It might seem to some that 464 00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:03,836 because she allows herself to be photographed 465 00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:06,046 and tell her stories, 466 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,424 that's not what a scientist does. 467 00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,595 But what does a scientist do except observe carefully 468 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,139 and share the view? 469 00:41:20,102 --> 00:41:22,980 We've been doing the field ID data sets for 15 years now. 470 00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:33,199 And we've got 300 different sharks identified. 471 00:41:48,756 --> 00:41:50,925 To me, they're as unique, 472 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:53,594 as individual, 473 00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:58,349 as important as any human being. 474 00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,524 Me and Ocean started working together in 2006. 475 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:09,902 It was about five years in when Roxy came into our lives. 476 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,114 The first time that we saw her, 477 00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:17,952 her jaw was freshly broken and it looked horrible. 478 00:42:19,787 --> 00:42:22,122 I don't know. For me, I could feel her pain. 479 00:42:23,457 --> 00:42:25,960 I could just see it in the way she was swimming. 480 00:42:27,419 --> 00:42:30,297 And I remember getting some footage of her. 481 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,717 Everyone's like, "Oh my God. It's a monster. It's disgustingly scary." 482 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:38,514 She's not the monster. 483 00:42:39,348 --> 00:42:42,893 The monster is the people that did that to her. 484 00:42:48,857 --> 00:42:51,485 Imagine having your jaw broken open. 485 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:57,283 And imagine what that would be like to try and eat. 486 00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:06,000 Her best chances of feeding are really coming from 487 00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:08,836 fish that's already been caught or is already dead, 488 00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:12,256 which is usually found on a hook or in a net. 489 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,385 She has a lot working against her. 490 00:43:16,468 --> 00:43:18,637 And then to have the SAT tag on top of that… 491 00:43:20,514 --> 00:43:23,267 She gets entangled more than any other animal 492 00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:24,435 because of that tag. 493 00:43:32,818 --> 00:43:35,779 A lot of times, we remove fishing line and stuff from other sharks, 494 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:37,656 they just bolt off. 495 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:45,122 But with Roxy, after so many years of removing that, 496 00:43:45,205 --> 00:43:47,541 I definitely know she recognizes us. 497 00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:56,008 There's so much emotion around her with me personally. 498 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,681 In 1999, I broke my back in a rock climbing accident. 499 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:07,770 The line snapped, I fell like 50 feet. 500 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,069 You know, and someone tells you you're not gonna be able to walk again, 501 00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,821 like, hoo, that's a game changer, right? 502 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:25,371 Is it even worth going anymore? 503 00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:33,754 I spend so much time with Juan, 504 00:44:33,837 --> 00:44:37,841 and I see how much pain he's in, like, with his back, constantly. 505 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:47,726 And I feel that those two get each other and connect on a different level 506 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:50,646 because they're both constantly struggling with pain. 507 00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:56,485 It's just beautiful to get to see them interact together. 508 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,949 We're supposed to keep the elbow locked, but… 509 00:45:10,124 --> 00:45:15,045 I feel so relaxed at times, and I'll just let it bend. 510 00:45:57,629 --> 00:46:01,800 It's just baffling to me the way that animals can be treated. 511 00:46:04,428 --> 00:46:06,680 It was really that moment in time where you realize 512 00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:09,099 they really don't have protection. 513 00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:13,479 Like, there were no legal repercussions for just killing a shark here. 514 00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:23,739 Nearly 100 baby hammerhead sharks found dead in Hawaii. 515 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:27,868 These pups likely died after being caught in a fisherman's gill net. 516 00:46:30,037 --> 00:46:32,581 They're not protected from the wasteful killing. 517 00:46:36,668 --> 00:46:38,170 Things like shark fishing. 518 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:53,936 Killing a shark, like Roxy, right? 519 00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,814 Breaking their jaw out, dragging them out of the water 520 00:46:57,314 --> 00:46:58,982 just to take a picture with them. 521 00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:11,703 I feel… 522 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:19,628 I'm not really that great about, like, putting… 523 00:47:20,546 --> 00:47:22,673 putting words to, like, emotions. 524 00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:28,554 Of course, you feel heartbroken about that. It's suffering. 525 00:47:33,058 --> 00:47:34,101 At this point, 526 00:47:35,769 --> 00:47:41,316 shark populations were down to fewer than 10% for most large species. 527 00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:47,698 All of them are headed towards the brink of extinction. 528 00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:52,452 Okay, so where are we? 529 00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:53,370 Here. 530 00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:57,124 And where are we going to… 531 00:47:58,417 --> 00:47:59,334 Fish market. 532 00:48:01,086 --> 00:48:05,591 And then when I realized shark finning was going on… 533 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:11,763 and that shark populations were being decimated around the planet 534 00:48:11,847 --> 00:48:15,392 for this wasteful bowl of soup, it lit a fire in me. 535 00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,190 Shark… 536 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:24,443 Countries all around the world are killing them, 537 00:48:24,526 --> 00:48:26,737 and it happens out of sight and out of mind. 538 00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:30,657 -Do you know what kind of shark? -Huh? 539 00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:31,867 Is this the whale shark? 540 00:48:33,619 --> 00:48:37,664 Even if they weren't a keystone species, super important for marine ecosystems, 541 00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:38,832 even if they weren't, 542 00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:41,793 just to kill an animal for less than 2% of its body… 543 00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:46,506 Why would anyone do that just for a bowl of soup? 544 00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:53,347 Where is the biggest problem? 545 00:48:54,097 --> 00:48:57,142 The biggest problem I saw straight in front of me was 546 00:48:57,225 --> 00:49:00,270 sharks being exterminated. Okay, that's the problem. 547 00:49:00,354 --> 00:49:03,857 So how do you get that information out? It's through visual imagery. 548 00:49:08,445 --> 00:49:10,072 I'll use my appearance. 549 00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:14,368 I'll put myself out there for a cause. 550 00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:20,540 People look first and listen second. 551 00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:23,377 Catching people's attention. 552 00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:29,675 And then being able to get that good message through… 553 00:49:31,343 --> 00:49:33,637 is something that I definitely aim for. 554 00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:36,682 This is small-scale. This is every single day. 555 00:49:41,228 --> 00:49:43,939 With those images, you could actually reach 556 00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:45,816 so many more people 557 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,527 than any of the other things that we've done. 558 00:49:50,404 --> 00:49:53,198 It's an opportunity to reach the entire public. 559 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:21,143 As a female, I'll get a different level of attention for it 560 00:50:21,226 --> 00:50:23,729 and I'll get a higher level of criticism. 561 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:28,108 Not everyone's gonna agree with you. 562 00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:34,448 Keyboard warriors, millions of miles away. 563 00:50:39,786 --> 00:50:41,621 People are like, "You're gonna die." 564 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:44,374 I'm like, "I hope you have a wonderful day and a long life too." 565 00:50:47,669 --> 00:50:51,381 People want to comment on my appearance or my approach to conservation. 566 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,216 I challenge them to do better. 567 00:50:54,926 --> 00:50:56,803 So it is what it is. 568 00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:58,722 Just gotta work with it, right? 569 00:51:03,727 --> 00:51:08,565 Ultimately, we knew we had to do something more extreme to cut through the bullshit. 570 00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:10,776 Jaws. 571 00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,492 The deepest fear that everybody has of sharks. 572 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,036 It's always the image of a great white. 573 00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:29,086 And so we wanted to go to get this picture 574 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,132 to try and show connection between human and great white shark, 575 00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:36,301 the "anti-Jaws." 576 00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:42,808 And in Hawaii, we do get them coming through every year, 577 00:51:42,891 --> 00:51:44,768 but it's so rare to see them. 578 00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:49,022 Like the unicorn of the ocean. 579 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:51,983 Rare to ever see, 580 00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:55,821 let alone actually be in the water and have one swim up to you. 581 00:52:01,827 --> 00:52:04,996 There's only a few places in the world where we know we can find great whites 582 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,292 and that you can dive with great whites, and, um, one place is Guadalupe. 583 00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:32,440 My first time diving with great whites. 584 00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:36,736 The chum and the fish is all going down current that direction. 585 00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:39,823 And the shark should come from that direction. 586 00:52:40,323 --> 00:52:42,951 And he comes from the bow of the boat. 587 00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:47,622 Eyes open, making eye contact with each person. 588 00:52:54,754 --> 00:52:55,922 And then he dives down. 589 00:52:56,006 --> 00:52:59,593 And then the next thing he's coming straight up from the bottom so fast. 590 00:52:59,676 --> 00:53:02,429 And it's just like a blur of white. Boom! 591 00:53:07,225 --> 00:53:10,770 What it made me realize is that if they wanted humans, 592 00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:13,315 we'd never have a chance. 593 00:53:13,398 --> 00:53:16,026 People wouldn't be, like, bitten by sharks. 594 00:53:16,109 --> 00:53:17,360 They'd be disappearing. 595 00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:38,965 So, really, for the first time in my life, 596 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:43,178 I decided to go and start observing 597 00:53:43,261 --> 00:53:45,764 the behavior of a specific species of shark 598 00:53:47,182 --> 00:53:48,558 from within a cage. 599 00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:09,246 Just watching the way the sharks interact with each other, 600 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:12,415 watching their conversations, 601 00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:15,627 and getting to know the language. 602 00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:37,983 There's a certain level of nervousness, but it's more excitement. 603 00:54:44,197 --> 00:54:48,618 And it's that feeling of like, "Okay, I'm ready for this now." 604 00:55:01,047 --> 00:55:06,303 Learning, observing, noticing when I was, like, getting locked in here, 605 00:55:06,386 --> 00:55:09,514 and, oop, there's one right here on the side. I missed that one. 606 00:55:13,643 --> 00:55:17,564 Now, do I know 100% what's gonna happen when I'm outside this cage? 607 00:55:18,898 --> 00:55:19,733 No. 608 00:55:41,254 --> 00:55:43,131 And then I saw this beautiful shark. 609 00:55:49,471 --> 00:55:51,514 The most dominant female in the area. 610 00:55:58,104 --> 00:56:02,150 Her curiosity towards me was quite profound. 611 00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:10,909 She's looking at me. 612 00:56:19,209 --> 00:56:23,713 Maybe this isn't the right way to say it, but it almost felt like an invitation. 613 00:57:13,346 --> 00:57:18,351 No one had interacted with a white shark in that way prior to that day. 614 00:57:25,942 --> 00:57:27,861 This was that anti-Jaws moment. 615 00:57:37,537 --> 00:57:38,830 And gave it to GoPro 616 00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,124 and they released it as a conservation thing. 617 00:57:50,341 --> 00:57:52,385 That's when everything changed. 618 00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:54,304 -Ocean Ramsey. -Ocean Ramsey. 619 00:57:54,387 --> 00:57:56,181 -Ocean Ramsey. -Ocean Ramsey. 620 00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:57,724 -Her name's Ocean? -Her name is Ocean. 621 00:57:57,807 --> 00:58:01,519 A fearless daredevil who swims with great whites. 622 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:04,272 This woman is actually swimming with a great white shark. 623 00:58:04,355 --> 00:58:07,317 No! That's a giant shark. 624 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,444 I'm not sure how much the shark liked that. 625 00:58:09,527 --> 00:58:12,071 Great white sharks are simply misunderstood. 626 00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:14,616 So, like any rational person, she swims with them. 627 00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:17,368 If we were playing To Tell the Truth right now, 628 00:58:17,452 --> 00:58:20,455 I could put any two people next to you and no one would ever pick 629 00:58:20,538 --> 00:58:22,790 you're the one that went swimming with a great white shark. 630 00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:27,170 The community began to grow. 631 00:58:28,755 --> 00:58:32,258 Also, there were some business opportunities 632 00:58:33,051 --> 00:58:35,220 to passively raise awareness, 633 00:58:37,263 --> 00:58:39,182 which was really good for the sharks. 634 00:58:46,147 --> 00:58:48,066 There's now more and more people 635 00:58:48,149 --> 00:58:51,569 who want to explore and learn more about shark behavior. 636 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:54,239 And we're there to introduce people to sharks. 637 00:58:54,322 --> 00:58:57,075 You guys can come in. Just stay super close to the boat. 638 00:59:00,453 --> 00:59:02,080 And helping to keep people safe. 639 00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:07,585 There's nothing like empowering someone with personal, first-hand perspective. 640 00:59:08,336 --> 00:59:09,712 For them to be able to say, 641 00:59:09,796 --> 00:59:12,966 "I was in the water with a shark and it was a beautiful experience." 642 00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:21,057 And to appreciate what a shark truly is, 643 00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:24,102 and that will be inspiring to them to help protect them. 644 00:59:28,773 --> 00:59:33,736 I mean, the tricky part is the balance of this whole thing, right? 645 00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:40,618 Is like, we need to protect these animals. 646 00:59:49,502 --> 00:59:55,967 But I saw what that animal can do to a human being. 647 00:59:58,094 --> 00:59:59,887 This morning, people on high alert 648 00:59:59,971 --> 01:00:02,223 at a popular surf spot in O'ahu. 649 01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:05,518 This time, a 25-year-old surfer's in critical condition 650 01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:07,103 after he was attacked by a shark. 651 01:00:07,186 --> 01:00:09,897 Colin Cook was surfing off O'ahu's North Shore 652 01:00:09,981 --> 01:00:12,233 when the shark suddenly appeared. 653 01:00:14,152 --> 01:00:16,070 It was, like, a beautiful day. 654 01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:19,032 And the water looked clear and really inviting. 655 01:00:19,866 --> 01:00:22,535 I had been out there, you know, for a couple hours. 656 01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:26,456 And I remember, at that point, thinking I probably should get a wave in. 657 01:00:27,248 --> 01:00:31,002 And out of nowhere, I remember being slammed by something 658 01:00:31,085 --> 01:00:32,462 and getting pulled under. 659 01:00:32,545 --> 01:00:34,297 I kind of opened my eyes underwater 660 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:38,468 and realized that there was, like, a large shark attached to my leg. 661 01:00:39,093 --> 01:00:42,263 And I was able to break free and swim to the surface. 662 01:00:42,347 --> 01:00:44,307 This finger… tip of the finger was missing, 663 01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:46,643 and these three fingers were hanging over the side. 664 01:00:46,726 --> 01:00:48,853 I thought, "Oh, that was it. I'm okay." 665 01:00:48,936 --> 01:00:51,981 And then I looked back at my leg, and it was completely gone. 666 01:00:52,065 --> 01:00:55,735 And I realized at that point, like, I'm done, I'm dead. 667 01:00:57,612 --> 01:01:01,199 I just felt a sense that I was supposed to be there. 668 01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:05,495 Whoa. I don't know how much we can get into this, guys, 669 01:01:05,578 --> 01:01:08,956 but, like the shark bit his leg here. 670 01:01:10,625 --> 01:01:13,878 And the leash was on the ankle. 671 01:01:13,961 --> 01:01:16,214 Because of the placement of the bite, 672 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,800 since Colin climbed back on his board, 673 01:01:18,883 --> 01:01:22,762 the shark was ripping him around by the leash, like, when I got to him. 674 01:01:23,596 --> 01:01:27,392 At that point, I looked over and heard, "Hold on, buddy, I'm coming for you." 675 01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:31,104 Keoni happened to be paddling by me on a stand-up paddleboard. 676 01:01:31,187 --> 01:01:32,855 Ocean and Juan had told me, like, 677 01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:36,651 "Listen, tiger shark's gonna have a ton of power moving forward." 678 01:01:37,276 --> 01:01:39,404 "But if you can make it miss, 679 01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:43,199 then you've got like ten, 12 seconds for it to turn around." 680 01:01:43,991 --> 01:01:46,327 And I hit it as hard as I could. 681 01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,122 I tried to push it down in the water column. 682 01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:53,167 I remember as soon as I hit her down and I knew that her mouth was passing us, 683 01:01:53,251 --> 01:01:55,878 I threw the paddle and I put him on my back, 684 01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:59,257 and we started paddling in. 685 01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:02,427 I had, like, virtually no life left in me. 686 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:05,513 It was kind of hard to breathe. And… 687 01:02:06,097 --> 01:02:08,808 I remember I was kind of telling Keoni my last wishes. 688 01:02:09,517 --> 01:02:12,603 He said, "Hey, man, just tell my mom I love her." 689 01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:18,776 We've been close ever since this happened. 690 01:02:19,777 --> 01:02:22,280 It's kind of a unique bond that we have. 691 01:02:24,365 --> 01:02:26,868 You know, he's almost like this hero to me. 692 01:02:26,951 --> 01:02:29,412 Cook made it to shore with the help of a friend. 693 01:02:29,495 --> 01:02:33,624 His left leg had to be amputated and he lost parts of two of his fingers, 694 01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:35,209 but he's still here. 695 01:02:35,293 --> 01:02:38,629 Keoni Bowthorpe was awarded the Carnegie Medal. 696 01:02:38,713 --> 01:02:42,467 It's given to those who risk their lives to an extraordinary degree 697 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:44,385 to save someone else. 698 01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:46,763 It's such a wonderful hero story 699 01:02:47,722 --> 01:02:52,059 that my heart just… it just feels crushed. 700 01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:55,271 It's… it's just a tragedy. 701 01:02:55,354 --> 01:03:01,152 And the only thing that I can do is look for the positive in any situation. 702 01:03:01,235 --> 01:03:03,738 And that's the fact that it's so rare. 703 01:03:10,995 --> 01:03:14,916 All day, every day, sharks are swimming past surfers, swimmers and divers. 704 01:03:24,550 --> 01:03:26,969 And if they looked at us as a natural prey item… 705 01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,143 these kinds of incidents would be happening all the time. 706 01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:40,983 And yet it's so rare. 707 01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:53,955 I feel like my job is not just to protect humans from sharks… 708 01:03:56,123 --> 01:03:59,418 it's also to protect sharks from humans. 709 01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,176 I sometimes go through these periods of time 710 01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:09,095 where you've gotten to know these individuals, 711 01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:11,222 and then you don't see them for a couple of years. 712 01:04:16,644 --> 01:04:18,104 You're like, "Did they get hooked 713 01:04:18,187 --> 01:04:20,773 "and get their jaw broken open or wrapped up in a net? 714 01:04:20,857 --> 01:04:22,608 "Are they caught in a fishing line?" 715 01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:24,944 "Did they die?" 716 01:04:28,322 --> 01:04:30,366 We hadn't seen Roxy in a long time. 717 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:42,253 She had a rope going down into her stomach with a hook. 718 01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:50,219 I couldn't cut that 719 01:04:50,303 --> 01:04:53,723 because if we put tension on it, you could just see the pain in her. 720 01:04:56,183 --> 01:04:58,644 God, that broke my heart to see that. 721 01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:04,734 You could tell that she was just super weak. 722 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,669 In my head, I was just like, "Okay, she's probably not gonna make it." 723 01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:33,262 I got to say goodbye at least, you know? 724 01:05:43,439 --> 01:05:47,109 I was most afraid for the sharks 725 01:05:47,193 --> 01:05:51,906 at the point where I had really fallen in love with them as individuals. 726 01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:55,034 So let's do something to actually help save them. 727 01:05:57,411 --> 01:05:59,956 So we tried to get a law passed 728 01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,000 to make policy change, 729 01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:08,673 to get them to be fully protected from wasteful killing in Hawaii. 730 01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:13,094 Next bill is HB1734. 731 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:15,554 Relating to marine life protection. 732 01:06:16,722 --> 01:06:17,848 It's a long one. 733 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:30,236 Can you speak into the microphone? 734 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,571 Sorry. Can you guys hear me okay? 735 01:06:35,074 --> 01:06:38,452 It was dropping everything that was going on in our life. 736 01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:42,123 The social media strategy, we'll just keep going on that one. 737 01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:45,668 I don't need to sleep. Let's get this done 738 01:06:45,751 --> 01:06:48,379 and try and get as much media out there as possible. 739 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:53,092 Aloha, I'm Ocean Ramsey. I'm a shark and marine conservationist and scientist. 740 01:06:53,175 --> 01:06:56,971 Sharks are crucial for the health and balance of marine ecosystems 741 01:06:57,054 --> 01:06:59,098 and need and deserve to be protected. 742 01:06:59,181 --> 01:07:03,227 I think she thinks like a shark. And that I mean as a compliment. 743 01:07:03,310 --> 01:07:05,938 Take a stand against shark fishing and elect local leaders 744 01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:08,441 that will establish laws to help protect sharks. 745 01:07:09,191 --> 01:07:10,234 Hi, you guys. 746 01:07:13,946 --> 01:07:17,992 Rallying in the community to try and get people to bombard the politicians. 747 01:07:18,075 --> 01:07:19,452 The sad reality is 748 01:07:19,535 --> 01:07:24,165 it's over 100 million sharks are killed every year. 749 01:07:24,248 --> 01:07:26,834 Why protect them? Why do we actually need sharks? 750 01:07:26,917 --> 01:07:30,087 If we remove them from our ocean, everything falls apart. 751 01:07:30,171 --> 01:07:32,423 70% of the air that you breathe comes from the oceans, 752 01:07:32,506 --> 01:07:35,676 and sharks are a vital component to that healthy marine ecosystem. 753 01:07:37,136 --> 01:07:39,180 In order to make a change 754 01:07:40,473 --> 01:07:41,766 in the time that we need, 755 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:44,977 I think that we really must work together. 756 01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:47,730 We must work as a team. 757 01:07:48,981 --> 01:07:51,817 In my district in South Maui, there's been a spate of shark attacks. 758 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:55,071 The fact that a couple instances are happening are likely due 759 01:07:55,154 --> 01:07:58,616 to the increase in the number of people that are spending time in the water. 760 01:07:59,116 --> 01:08:01,368 My name is Juan Oliphant, shark conservationist. 761 01:08:01,452 --> 01:08:03,287 It wasn't just Juan and I going. 762 01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:06,082 It was a whole bunch of people in the community. 763 01:08:06,665 --> 01:08:10,836 Hawaii State Capitol Building. Room 312. Hope you can make it. 764 01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:17,551 Shark species will go extinct without our protection. 765 01:08:17,635 --> 01:08:22,139 We've had incidents of sharks being caught and strung up on street signs, 766 01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:23,891 like hung from the neck. 767 01:08:24,391 --> 01:08:26,811 Submitting testimony online. 768 01:08:29,855 --> 01:08:33,150 From all the different organizations that we work with. 769 01:08:35,069 --> 01:08:38,030 She's so driven on so many different platforms. 770 01:08:39,573 --> 01:08:41,117 It's hard to keep up with her. 771 01:08:42,451 --> 01:08:44,870 Not everyone's gonna agree with you. 772 01:08:45,538 --> 01:08:49,250 There's a huge competition between sharks and fishermen. 773 01:08:49,333 --> 01:08:51,919 Some fishermen kept opposing it. 774 01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:57,383 I don't believe that catching and killing sharks is a major problem in Hawaii. 775 01:08:57,466 --> 01:08:58,425 That's not true. 776 01:08:58,509 --> 01:09:00,302 It causes a lot of chaos. 777 01:09:00,386 --> 01:09:03,597 There have been malicious killings, very intentional killings. 778 01:09:03,681 --> 01:09:06,976 -Is that or is that not self-defense? -That's debatable. 779 01:09:07,059 --> 01:09:09,937 No, no, no. We're gonna learn from nature. 780 01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:12,940 What academic publications have you published? 781 01:09:13,023 --> 01:09:15,943 When I look at your website, it's very commercial in nature. 782 01:09:16,026 --> 01:09:19,071 They underestimate Ocean about the toughness 783 01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:21,157 that she is and she has. 784 01:09:24,368 --> 01:09:26,078 We're in opposition of this bill. 785 01:09:26,162 --> 01:09:27,746 I'm in full support. 786 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:29,540 I'm testifying in opposition to this bill. 787 01:09:29,623 --> 01:09:33,210 So I'm here to give the manō the full protection. 788 01:09:36,505 --> 01:09:38,507 We put in so much effort. 789 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:44,638 But it failed. 790 01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:55,149 Year after year after year. 791 01:10:00,487 --> 01:10:04,450 That's when I definitely would see her in her most dark phases. 792 01:10:06,327 --> 01:10:07,912 And she's a different person. 793 01:10:08,412 --> 01:10:14,585 It's just… Her mindset definitely changes to being, like, a lot more negative. 794 01:10:17,171 --> 01:10:19,715 She just doesn't know how to stop. 795 01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:21,217 I know. 796 01:10:23,928 --> 01:10:26,388 She's just gonna work herself to death. 797 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:34,647 I just know that she's battling something tough. 798 01:10:40,694 --> 01:10:45,532 She doesn't really open up to me even about it because, um… 799 01:10:47,576 --> 01:10:48,786 I don't know why. 800 01:11:33,914 --> 01:11:38,961 I definitely felt, like, major depression, which I-- 801 01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:42,089 It's funny, I actually feel bad about feeling depressed 802 01:11:42,172 --> 01:11:46,302 because you have so many opportunities, so many things that are going on for you. 803 01:11:47,469 --> 01:11:50,723 And, you know, it's like everybody goes through struggles. 804 01:12:09,366 --> 01:12:13,037 I wanted to feel like I'm there in those moments with her. 805 01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:19,752 I couldn't do this without him. 806 01:12:21,211 --> 01:12:24,548 He's the only person, I think, that understands me. 807 01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:35,100 Everything that we've been through together has only made us stronger. 808 01:12:43,817 --> 01:12:46,987 By 2019, we've been working for four years 809 01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:48,947 trying to, like, get that law passed. 810 01:12:52,076 --> 01:12:54,495 The next deadline for the bill to be reintroduced 811 01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:56,538 was coming up at the end of the week. 812 01:12:58,624 --> 01:13:03,837 And we knew we were coming up short again on support from the politicians. 813 01:13:08,092 --> 01:13:09,718 And then it happens. 814 01:13:16,683 --> 01:13:22,022 We heard about a whale that was coming onto the reef in Waikiki. 815 01:13:25,442 --> 01:13:26,610 It was a dead whale. 816 01:13:29,613 --> 01:13:31,907 I'm instantly like, "Ooh," 817 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:35,953 because a dead whale carcass is gonna attract sharks. 818 01:13:37,913 --> 01:13:39,123 So we were in the water. 819 01:13:39,206 --> 01:13:41,667 There were tiger sharks and we were observing them. 820 01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:50,092 And at one point, the tiger sharks disappeared. 821 01:13:58,225 --> 01:14:00,060 And then everything was quiet. 822 01:14:09,486 --> 01:14:12,614 But I'm hearing little dolphin noises. 823 01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:16,243 And I'm seeing some flashes down in the deep. 824 01:14:21,832 --> 01:14:23,500 And then up from the depths… 825 01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:30,132 comes this massive great white shark. 826 01:14:31,216 --> 01:14:32,426 Oh my God! 827 01:15:03,916 --> 01:15:06,710 She's so huge, 20-plus foot. 828 01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:12,341 Juan was able to actually get in really close. 829 01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:16,929 And you could see her trying to just take down more of this whale meat. 830 01:15:20,849 --> 01:15:23,810 And all the bits of whale flesh 831 01:15:23,894 --> 01:15:27,606 are sort of coming out the side of her gills. 832 01:15:38,825 --> 01:15:41,036 It just seems so surreal. 833 01:15:43,789 --> 01:15:48,085 There's no word to describe what that experience was like. 834 01:16:00,222 --> 01:16:02,140 And she goes right to the boat. 835 01:16:03,934 --> 01:16:05,978 And it sounds like metal on metal. 836 01:16:06,061 --> 01:16:09,064 And you just realize, like, how thick their skin is. 837 01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:05,787 It just seems so much more beautiful than I could have imagined. 838 01:17:24,556 --> 01:17:26,808 With her, it's a different feeling. 839 01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:30,729 I don't feel, like, the need to breathe. 840 01:17:33,565 --> 01:17:36,276 The emotions and the connection that I feel, 841 01:17:37,361 --> 01:17:38,487 it's overwhelming. 842 01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:49,289 This is what I'm supposed to do. 843 01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:03,261 This is what I'm alive for. 844 01:18:13,313 --> 01:18:16,191 This isn't a movie. This is real. 845 01:18:16,274 --> 01:18:17,984 This is a 20-foot great white. 846 01:18:18,068 --> 01:18:22,030 The largest great white shark on record anywhere in the world. 847 01:18:22,114 --> 01:18:24,991 And the oldest too, 50 years old. 848 01:18:25,075 --> 01:18:27,160 The shark made a surprise appearance 849 01:18:27,244 --> 01:18:28,704 off the coast of O'ahu this week. 850 01:18:28,787 --> 01:18:31,331 Diver Ocean Ramsey swam alongside her. 851 01:18:31,415 --> 01:18:33,834 Ramsey has traveled the globe studying sharks… 852 01:18:33,917 --> 01:18:38,672 The attention that came on Hawaii for having great white sharks 853 01:18:39,548 --> 01:18:40,966 was huge. 854 01:18:41,049 --> 01:18:42,759 She is doing this to kind of show 855 01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:46,012 that not all sharks can prove deadly to humans. 856 01:18:46,096 --> 01:18:49,766 And it's raising the need to protect these animals versus vilify them. 857 01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:52,769 -Do you think she has a point there? -No. 858 01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:56,690 There was controversy around it, saying, "Oh, you shouldn't touch a shark." 859 01:18:56,773 --> 01:18:59,526 You absolutely don't need to harass wild animals 860 01:18:59,609 --> 01:19:01,111 to show they're not dangerous. 861 01:19:01,194 --> 01:19:02,404 Look, but don't touch. 862 01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:12,330 The controversy was actually good because it kept it in the news longer. 863 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:19,463 And it kept a shark in the news in a good way. 864 01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:25,177 Because it was people saying, "Oh, you shouldn't touch them." 865 01:19:26,511 --> 01:19:27,679 Like, people care. 866 01:19:30,348 --> 01:19:34,144 On the inside, I was like, "Oh my gosh, people actually care about a shark." 867 01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:41,777 There's a lot of controversy about how close you should get to a white shark. 868 01:19:41,860 --> 01:19:44,321 In general, I don't think the sharks give a darn. 869 01:19:45,197 --> 01:19:47,449 Um, I don't think that it's harassment. 870 01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:49,075 I don't agree with it, 871 01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:51,620 but the level of good that they could potentially be doing 872 01:19:51,703 --> 01:19:54,915 for the overall population of shark conservation… 873 01:19:56,792 --> 01:19:58,835 There can be a lot of good done as well. 874 01:19:58,919 --> 01:20:02,881 People kill 70 to 100 million sharks every year. 875 01:20:02,964 --> 01:20:03,965 Her numbers are startling, 876 01:20:04,049 --> 01:20:06,343 that they're killing that many of those beautiful creatures. 877 01:20:06,426 --> 01:20:07,427 -Yeah. -That's alarming. 878 01:20:07,511 --> 01:20:10,096 The timing of the shark's visit comes as Ramsey pushes 879 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:14,142 for stronger legislation to protect the mammoth creatures of the sea. 880 01:20:15,393 --> 01:20:16,853 Right then, that week, 881 01:20:16,937 --> 01:20:20,398 was where we needed to schedule this bill to protect sharks. 882 01:20:21,149 --> 01:20:25,862 And I'm like, "Okay, I'm on the level." I'm like, "Bring it, let's go." 883 01:20:28,782 --> 01:20:29,866 This is Roxy. 884 01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:33,495 Right now, she's currently swimming around with a wire leader in her throat. 885 01:20:33,578 --> 01:20:37,541 Many people have come out to meet her and see her and fall in love with her 886 01:20:37,624 --> 01:20:40,126 and ask me all the time on social media, "Is she alive?" 887 01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:41,628 And honestly, I can't say. 888 01:20:42,337 --> 01:20:45,423 These animals are going to be banished from the planet, 889 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:47,634 and there's no way back. 890 01:20:48,218 --> 01:20:49,636 It's on the line right now. 891 01:20:49,719 --> 01:20:54,057 We have the best chance we will ever have right now. 892 01:20:54,140 --> 01:20:58,520 Just stop killing sharks to begin to heal the ocean. 893 01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:02,399 Thanks, everybody, for coming out. 894 01:21:02,983 --> 01:21:06,194 As you can see, very little opposition, so… 895 01:21:06,278 --> 01:21:10,156 That wasn't by accident. That was because you folks have been organizing 896 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,618 and pushing this issue for quite some time now, so… 897 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:19,457 If we can be open enough to see things from multiple perspectives, 898 01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:23,169 we have a greater chance of finding that balance 899 01:21:23,253 --> 01:21:27,924 and connection with our fellow creatures of this world. 900 01:21:28,008 --> 01:21:32,220 Man has always eliminated things when they're afraid of things. 901 01:21:32,304 --> 01:21:35,432 You're going into their environment, you know. 902 01:21:35,515 --> 01:21:37,100 It's our environment too, 903 01:21:37,183 --> 01:21:40,604 but how do we coexist? You know, that's the real lesson. 904 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:46,276 Good news! 905 01:21:48,069 --> 01:21:50,530 House Bill 553, 906 01:21:50,614 --> 01:21:54,409 a bill for an act relating to the protection of sharks. 907 01:21:54,492 --> 01:22:00,415 This establishes the offense of intentionally and knowingly 908 01:22:00,498 --> 01:22:04,210 capturing, entangling, or killing a shark 909 01:22:04,294 --> 01:22:06,546 in state marine waters. 910 01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:12,886 And House Bill 553 is now law in Hawaii as Act 51. 911 01:22:23,021 --> 01:22:26,149 It's now illegal to kill sharks in Hawaii. 912 01:22:30,236 --> 01:22:34,699 But the bigger thing is that this law is now already in use, 913 01:22:34,783 --> 01:22:36,701 and it can be given to other states. 914 01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:41,456 It just takes a few people to speak up, and things can change. 915 01:22:51,299 --> 01:22:52,759 Ooh! 916 01:22:52,842 --> 01:22:54,844 That is Roxy. 917 01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:59,224 Oh God, yeah! 918 01:23:01,851 --> 01:23:03,228 When she came back, 919 01:23:04,187 --> 01:23:06,815 levels of excitement and happiness, you're just like, 920 01:23:06,898 --> 01:23:10,026 "She's alive. She's here. She's kicking it." 921 01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:13,738 Unbelievable. Yeah, baby, what's up? 922 01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,366 Ah, love this shark. 923 01:23:16,866 --> 01:23:18,785 Oh, Roxy. 924 01:23:36,177 --> 01:23:39,514 We were thrilled to see her, like, just looking so healthy. 925 01:23:43,977 --> 01:23:46,813 Something happened. Someone helped her out, 926 01:23:46,896 --> 01:23:51,401 and she was, yeah, on fire. She was amazing. 927 01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:58,450 Getting to see her just thriving, that was a relief. 928 01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:04,622 And knowing that Roxy and Nikki and Kalihi 929 01:24:04,706 --> 01:24:08,084 and all these sharks that we grew up with that are like family to us 930 01:24:08,168 --> 01:24:09,669 are now officially protected, 931 01:24:10,378 --> 01:24:11,838 it makes me super happy. 932 01:24:21,097 --> 01:24:24,225 My mom, she helped me get into conservation as well. 933 01:24:25,977 --> 01:24:26,936 What was her thing? 934 01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:30,732 You're only a limited amount of time on the planet. 935 01:24:30,815 --> 01:24:33,651 Let's just try and make it better than when you found it. 936 01:24:33,735 --> 01:24:36,321 That was always her thing. It always stuck with me. 937 01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:40,492 So I was like, "Oh, yeah, so I got to find what's my thing that I can do 938 01:24:40,575 --> 01:24:43,244 to make it a little bit better than where I found it." 939 01:24:43,328 --> 01:24:47,165 And I feel like that's with the ocean and with the sharks for me, 940 01:24:47,248 --> 01:24:49,125 for sure, 100%. Yeah. 941 01:24:50,627 --> 01:24:54,297 Yeah. Yes. That one got me a little teary-eyed. 942 01:24:54,380 --> 01:24:56,007 Jeez, I'm all emotional today. 943 01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:58,843 It's the hot-- You guys got it so hot in here. 944 01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:02,514 There is a swelling storm 945 01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:08,061 And I'm caught up In the middle of it all 946 01:25:10,688 --> 01:25:12,690 There is a light… 947 01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:17,445 I think it'd be hard to overstate the significance of what they're doing. 948 01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:21,616 You could do far worse 949 01:25:23,284 --> 01:25:24,619 in heroes for your kids. 950 01:25:26,454 --> 01:25:30,542 It comes and goes in waves 951 01:25:30,625 --> 01:25:34,879 It always does 952 01:25:34,963 --> 01:25:37,048 It always does… 953 01:25:37,132 --> 01:25:40,051 I think people just want my signature sometimes 954 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:44,722 'cause they think that I'm going to die and then the book will be worth more. 955 01:25:44,806 --> 01:25:47,392 …flood 956 01:25:47,475 --> 01:25:50,812 Into the flood 957 01:25:50,895 --> 01:25:54,399 And the freedom of falling 958 01:25:54,482 --> 01:25:57,402 The feeling I thought was set in stone 959 01:25:57,485 --> 01:25:59,988 It slips through my fingers… 960 01:26:00,071 --> 01:26:04,284 Everything that I've accomplished, no one would know about it 961 01:26:04,367 --> 01:26:08,913 without his incredible talent and skills and eye. 962 01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:12,876 It comes and goes in waves 963 01:26:13,459 --> 01:26:15,295 And carries us away 964 01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:18,339 I've watched my wild youth 965 01:26:18,423 --> 01:26:19,757 Disappear… 966 01:26:19,841 --> 01:26:22,343 Colin Cook survived a shark attack. 967 01:26:22,427 --> 01:26:25,346 It's a big weekend for Cook because he was back in the water. 968 01:26:25,930 --> 01:26:29,100 It's a great day to be down here. It's inspiring to see everybody. 969 01:26:29,184 --> 01:26:30,310 …back again? 970 01:26:30,393 --> 01:26:33,563 Is it ever coming back again? 971 01:26:33,646 --> 01:26:35,607 Take me back to the feeling when… 972 01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:39,944 I wanna meet more sharks and explore this beautiful planet. 973 01:26:40,028 --> 01:26:42,238 While I'd like to be able to continue that, 974 01:26:42,322 --> 01:26:44,741 you know, you never know when you're gonna go. 975 01:26:46,242 --> 01:26:49,495 But if it happens from a shark, I'm always big on going on the record of, 976 01:26:49,579 --> 01:26:53,208 you know, I'm putting myself in these more extreme situations. 977 01:26:53,291 --> 01:26:55,126 So definitely don't blame the shark. 978 01:26:57,170 --> 01:27:00,506 And the freedom of falling 979 01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:03,551 The feeling I thought was set in stone 980 01:27:03,635 --> 01:27:06,763 It slips through my fingers 981 01:27:06,846 --> 01:27:09,140 I'm trying hard to let go 982 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:13,478 It comes and goes in waves 983 01:27:13,561 --> 01:27:15,355 It carries us away