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[audience murmur]

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[man] And now,
the comedy of Stiller and Meara.

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- [applause]
- [orchestral intro]

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- [applause ends]
- [Anne Meara] Thank you.

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Ladies and gentlemen, uh,
we live in a very unpredictable age.

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Anything could happen.

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Jerry and I, we'd like to show you
what might happen

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when the last two people left in the world
meet for the first time.

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- Hi!
- Hello!

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- Boy, am I glad to see you!
- Am I glad to see you!

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Boy, that was something.

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Yeah, I've been looking all over.
There's nobody.

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- I thought there was just me.
- Me too.

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- Boy, are we lucky!
- You're not kidding.

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- I never expected it.
- Yeah!

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Well, my horoscope said,
"Don't make any plans."

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[audience laughs]

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Did you see what happened to Sixth Avenue?

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Yeah, and they just finished repaving it.

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- [man cackles]
- [audience laughs]

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[Anne clears throat]

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[Jerry Stiller] Well,
I guess it's up to us.

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[Anne] Huh?

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[audience laughs]

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[Jerry] I said, uh,
I guess it's up to us now.

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[Anne] What do you mean?

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[sporadic laughter]

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[Jerry sighs] Well, I guess the pressure
is really on us now.

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[man cackles]

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[Jerry] You know,
to get things started again.

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[Anne] Oh, yeah! You're right.
We got a lot to do.

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I mean, we gotta rebuild,
clean up, plant vegetables.

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- [Jerry] Yeah. That too.
- [audience laughs]

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[Jerry] But I was thinking,
you being the last woman

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and me being the last man,

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we've got something even more important
to do than, uh…

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- that.
- [sporadic laughter]

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[Jerry] We gotta make things.

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- [audience laughs]
- [Jerry] You know, little things.

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- [Anne] You mean arts and crafts?
- [Jerry] No, no, no. I was thinking of…

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Of people. We gotta make little people.

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[interviewer] What was it like growing up
in that kind of showbiz family?

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[interviewer 2] Your dad and mom,
what were they like?

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[TV host] We absolutely, here on
this show, adore your mother and father.

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- [TV host 2] The great Stiller and Meara.
- Stiller and Meara.

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Parents of this, uh, young boy.

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[audience whoops]

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Oh, Anne and Jerry! Stiller and Meara.
You're their little boy.

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[caller] Your father
is the funniest character on Seinfeld,

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- hands down.
- I, well… I agree.

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Gives a pow on the top of his head.
It's a scream.

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Are you gonna ever bring your parents in?

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- Oh, well… into what? Into like--
- Anything.

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[interviewer] Tell me what your parents
gave you

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- as an entertainer?
- [doorbell rings]

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- [Dawn Eaton] Hello, how are you?
- [Amy Stiller] Hi.

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- [Ben Stiller] Hi.
- Are you… Are you doing…

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- I knew this was gonna happen.
- That's why I mic'd you. Yeah.

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- Is this cinéma-vérité?
- Yes.

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- [Mike Douglas] Amy and Benjy.
- [applause]

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- I got almost--
- Hi!

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- [applause continues]
- Oh, my.

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Gee, look who got daddy's curly hair, huh?

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[Anne] That's right, and hers is natural.

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- [Douglas] You laugh at Mommy and Daddy?
- [Amy and Ben] Yeah.

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[Douglas] You think they're funny?

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This is like-- This is Anne and Jerry.
I love this picture.

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[Douglas] Do they rehearse at home?

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So many great pictures.

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[Douglas] Do they
try them out on you kids?

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[Anne] How dare you exploit my children.
You just wanna pry into my private life.

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[Douglas, laughing] No, I just wondered
if you ever did bits…

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Do you have any ideas
about getting into the business?

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Are either of you musical?

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Or do you do funny things
like your mom and dad?

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Amy? [voice echoes]

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Well, I mean, the opening is just kinda
walking into the apartment and…

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- Yeah.
- But there's no real context for it.

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And I'm just thinking,
what, the opening of the movie could be…

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Maybe, since we're selling the apartment,
it's us going through everything.

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Or…

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Maybe the idea of this question.
Maybe you see the opening,

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and then it's, like, us here. And then…

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the question, like,
"Why are you even making the movie?"

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- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah, like what's…

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- Me asking you?
- Yeah.

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Okay.

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- Yeah.
- Yeah.

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Are we… We're on camera,
so shall I do it now?

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Sure. [laughs]

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Bla-bla-bla… Um…

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- So, Ben…
- [both laugh]

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[crew member] Quiet please.

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Five, four, three, two…

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[Anne, on recording] If it's about us,

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Stiller and Meara.

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[man] How two people who have…

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It's not just that they work together,

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but we wanna show what happens
that when they do work together

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they turn off on one another.

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- Just get out. Get out!
- Get out?

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- [shouting] Get out?
- Yes.

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Of course. Why didn't I think of it
before? You want me to get out…

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[man] I think it can go in any direction
at that point. It can go either--

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[woman] I think we have to stick with
Anne and Jerry, Jerry and Anne.

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[woman 2] They're not superstars.

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They're just performers who
are known to the public through the tube.

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And they're married
and they have the kids,

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and they try to do their best
with both worlds.

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- [projector whirring]
- [no audio in footage]

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[Ben] When my dad died in 2020,

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my mom had been gone
for about five years.

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And my career
had been going along for a long time,

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but things actually weren't great
in my personal life.

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I just felt out of balance and unhappy,
and kind of disconnected…

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from my family,

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from my kids, and just, kind of,
a little bit lost.

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- [Ben] Wow, that's actually really nice.
- [woman laughs]

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No, don't film me.

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[Ben now] And I started to think about
my parents, and…

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all the stress and tension
I remember seeing as a kid.

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And the pressure
when they were working together.

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[no audible dialogue]

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And how they stayed together through it.

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[Anne] We will stay together.

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- [host] I think you're…
- I know that now.

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There was a time
I didn't know it, but I know it now.

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I think I wanted to somehow
understand how they did it.

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- [box opens]
- Oh, wow.

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- It's all cassettes.
- [Eaton] Yeah. [laughs]

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- Jerry, as you know, taped everything.
- Wow.

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[Jerry] I mean, this is
all of the truth of our lives.

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[Ben] That's incredible.

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[Jerry]

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[Anne] Over the years you mean?

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This is insane. "Amy and Benjy talk."

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- [Eaton laughs]
- "Benjy and Amy talk."

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[Jerry] Let me ask you something, Benjy.
What do you like to do the most with Amy?

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[Ben] Can't believe he taped everything.

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[young Ben] Um, play Happy Face.

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- [Jerry] What is Happy Face, Benjy?
- [young Ben] Um, a game.

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[Eaton] He always had to record,
you know, whether it was personal…

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[Ben] But it drove me crazy
at the time, for sure.

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[Eaton] I think it drove Anne crazy, too.

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"You're making these tapes, Jerry,
that nobody's ever gonna hear.

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They're just gonna pile up when you die,"
she would say.

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[both laughing]

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[Ben] Well, she wasn't wrong.
[laughs softly]

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[cassette player clicks]

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- [projector whirs]
- [no audible dialogue]

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[Douglas] Where exactly do you live
in New York?

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[Jerry] We live on Riverside Drive, Mike.

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- And…
- [Anne] Yes.

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[Jerry] We have three minutes
of home movies.

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Do you know how to do this, honey?

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It's on norm, I gotta throw it on to low.
Do you put the lights out first?

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- Or do we show--
- Don't worry about the lights.

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[Ben] I knew we were gonna have to sell
the apartment that we grew up in,

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and my first instinct was to film it.

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I don't know if that's weird or not.

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It's just what my dad always did.

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[Jerry] You know, I'm studying films now.
That is I learn about how films are made.

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And that includes editing,
it includes the taking of the pictures,

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the making of the pictures,
how to put it together. Like, just--

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[Douglas] That's a bird on the table.
A pigeon.

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[Anne] Real home movies, folks.

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We're not trying to show you anything
you wouldn't see in your own home.

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[Douglas] Oh, it broke again.
It broke again. Hold it.

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I have always felt like your family
is an anomaly

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because everything is documented.

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[Anne] I didn't want no pictures.
No pictures.

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[Douglas] No pictures.

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There was something in him
that didn't wanna let go of anything.

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- [ding]
- [Anne] I think Jerry has a need

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to keep his name going.
And for some reason he thinks

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that when we check out and pass over,

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that the Smithsonian Institute
is gonna want his memorabilia.

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Once we know what you guys wanna keep,

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- the pictures, the clothes…
- Yeah.

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[Eaton] …we know what we can give

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to the national comedy center,
for the collection.

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[Ben] I mean, it's insane what he kept.

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The form for the 63rd Street Y
family day, uh, membership.

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A scuba diving mask. [laughs]

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I'm like…

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[children chatter excitedly]

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[laughs and snorts] Ah, man.

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He even saved this article
about how a sure summer hit missed.

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"Reviewers found the film
disconcertingly unfunny."

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Ouch.

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This is interesting. So there's…

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From the Windermere Hotel
in Binghamton, New York

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to Miss Anne Meara,

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11 Cornelia Street.

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"Tuesday. Dearest Annesie,

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It's awfully tough to start this letter.

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I'm sitting on the steps of the porch
looking at Charles Island,

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and it's hazy
and I miss you so much, sweetheart.

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There, I said something."

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[Anne] We met in 1953,
and in September '53 we got married.

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I said, "You can't sleep over
any more unless you marry me."

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And he did because he liked
sleeping over, I guess.

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[host and audience laugh]

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[Ben] "To Kid Meara, I miss you,
my baby. Miss you, miss you, miss you.

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Oh, how I love you."

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"Honey, you must forgive
my not calling you.

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I know you probably
waited around for hours.

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I'm just dying to touch you,
feel you, my sweetheart."

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"Anne, I just read over
what I've written up to now.

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It seems that if you just roll through it,
you could never get what I really meant.

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So, sweetheart I'm gonna tell you exactly
how to read the beginning of this letter:

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After morning phone call,
Tuesday. Jokingly."

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"To Kid Meara. With emotion.
I miss you. Possessively.

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My baby. Miss you, miss you.
Emphasize esses.

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[emphasizing esses] Miss you."
It's, like, a whole thing. [chuckles]

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It's so crazy.

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Kind of amazing. I never knew these…

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[Amy] I know,
and I love the, "Honey, honey."

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[Jerry] We were just two people
who were trying to make it in the theater.

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And we kind of fell
into each other's lives,

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because nobody else believed in us.

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[Ben] "Jerry, you wonderful nut.

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You didn't have to explain
the first part of your letter to me.

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Believe me, I got it.

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But, my sweetheart,
I'm glad you did explain it

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because the stage directions were great."

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"Jerry, you said
you were dying to touch me.

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To feel me.

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Well, my own dear man,
I am dying to be touched. To be felt.

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To be… 'blank' by you."

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[Amy gasps, chuckles]

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That's pretty good.

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- Let me see… Wait, let me look at that.
- [Ben laughs]

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Oh.

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[Jerry] Our marriage was fragmented.
We didn't see each other.

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We didn't know who we were.
We'd spend money on the telephone.

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[Ben] "I love you so much,
my darling. Jerry."

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"I miss you so much. Anne."

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[Amy] Wow.

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[Jerry] It forced us to really
bring ourselves to do something together.

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That's great.

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[Anne] Jerry always
wanted to do a comedy act.

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And I always was very haughty about that.

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I looked down on comedy.

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That stage of my life,
I was a very serious acting student.

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I carried Eleonora Duse's life
under one arm.

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An Actor Prepares, Stanislavski,
under the other.

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[Ben] Even later, as she got older,

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she always wanted me to do
more serious stuff, you know,

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I would do something like
Night at the Museum or Dodgeball.

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[woman] I've never seen
a resume quite like yours.

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- Ah! All right!
- [phone rings]

255
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That wasn't a compliment.

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[Ben] She'd be like, "Yeah, but I like
Permanent Midnight. Or Greenberg."

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- She really liked Greenberg.
- Like that was the sell-out stuff?

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- Sort of. It felt like that to me.
- Yeah.

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[Christine Taylor] The irony of that
was your mom was so good at comedy.

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[Ben] Yeah, and she could ad lib.

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She just was naturally great
at live performing.

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Yeah.

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In a way that
he had to work at much more.

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[Anne] We wanted to do comedy.

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I always liked acting more,
but he always thought I was funny.

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I myself always felt that Anne was the…

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well, let's say,
she was the strength of the act.

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[Jerry]

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[Ben] My dad grew up
as a kid watching vaudeville.

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Eddie Cantor or Jack Benny.

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And as much as he wanted
to be, you know, the funny guy,

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he saw how naturally gifted Anne was.

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He admired her so much as a performer.

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You know, he really kind of needed her.

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- He really did pull her into comedy.
- [Christine] Yeah.

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[Anne] And at that time,
the thought occurred

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we could put something together and
make a name and a living for ourselves.

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[Jerry]

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[static]

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[Jerry]

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[Anne]

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[Jerry]

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- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

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[Anne shouting]

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- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

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[Jerry]

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[Anne]

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[tearfully]

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- [young Amy]
- [Anne sobs]

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[Anne]

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[projector whirs]

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[Jerry] You see, this is a thing
we call a tape recorder, Amy.

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So if you'd like to sing a song,
we can record the song on the tape.

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- [Anne] You wanna sing a song?
- [young Amy] Yeah.

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[Ben] Look at that.
"I went in hospital 3 p.m.

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and gave birth to baby girl
at 7:48 p.m.

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Amy Belle Sawyer Stiller was born today."

298
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Wow.

299
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That's crazy, she wrote that
on the day you were born?

300
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[Jerry] Sing "Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral."

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- [Jerry] ♪ Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral ♪
- [young Amy joins in]

302
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[Ben] "She's beautiful.
Jerry came up by train.

303
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Was here 10 a.m. He is so very happy.

304
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Had to leave at 1 p.m. to get back
in time to do a 5:30 p.m. show."

305
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[Jerry] When we'd had a baby,

306
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the whole need to succeed
was very, very important in our life.

307
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I was so scared
to not make enough money to have a family.

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[no audible dialogue]

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[Ben] I think the need for success for him

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was as much about creative expression
as it was about security for the family.

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He was a very loving person.

312
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And he… he wanted to be loved.

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'Cause I don't think
he got that kind of nurturing as a kid.

314
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[Jerry] My father, when I told him
I wanna be an actor, said,

315
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"Why don't you become a stagehand?

316
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Where do you get off
trying to be Eddie Cantor,

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or Jack Benny or George Burns?
You have no right to do that."

318
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I watched my parents literally
trying to survive the Depression.

319
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My father was a cab driver first,
then he became a bus driver.

320
00:15:39,648 --> 00:15:43,694
- [car engine chugging]
- [vehicles passing]

321
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[Jerry] What was the name
of the company?

322
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- Do you remember the name?
- [Willie Stiller] Uh…

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- New York City Omnibus.
- [Jerry] That's right.

324
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- [Willie] I worked for the City.
- Yeah.

325
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[Willie] I dropped out. I could have been
an actor, whatever, I never made it.

326
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I wanted to be an actor. [laughs]

327
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[Jerry] So what did you do?
Did you go up on the stage

328
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and give it a try?

329
00:16:03,547 --> 00:16:06,675
I tried once, I think.
Once or twice. I don't remember.

330
00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:10,679
Yeah. I had talent. I have talent. Yeah.

331
00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:12,431
[Jerry] What happened? What made you stop?

332
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[Willie] I don't know.
I didn't feel like I can do it.

333
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- I got along just the same.
- [Jerry] You made ends meet, right?

334
00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:21,023
[Willie] That's right, yeah.
Whatever it was, I took it. That's all.

335
00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:22,983
What's the use complaining about it?

336
00:16:31,533 --> 00:16:34,578
[Doreen Stiller] My mother and father
had these horrible fights.

337
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Always about the money.

338
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Always about the money.

339
00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:45,172
A lot of times I was hiding under the bed.

340
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'Cause I was so scared,
and Jerry would just zoom me out.

341
00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:52,179
Jerry was very good to me.

342
00:16:53,597 --> 00:16:56,350
He was the father image
of all three of us.

343
00:16:57,768 --> 00:17:01,230
Jerry protecting me
and Arnold at the time.

344
00:17:01,313 --> 00:17:02,356
[Ben] Very protective.

345
00:17:02,439 --> 00:17:03,941
- Yes, always. Always.
- Yeah.

346
00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,320
- [Doreen] Jerry just wanted out.
- Right.

347
00:17:09,404 --> 00:17:12,491
[Doreen] And the only way out at that time
was joining the service.

348
00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:15,743
My dad's jacket from the army.

349
00:17:16,537 --> 00:17:18,829
- [Christine laughs]
- Which one?

350
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[Doreen] And when he came on back,
he went to Syracuse University.

351
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He became very involved
in the acting then.

352
00:17:27,130 --> 00:17:30,968
[Ben] I think the comedic actors
he loved when he was a kid,

353
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were such an escape for him,
and his sister and his brother.

354
00:17:34,847 --> 00:17:37,766
And in the theater, he found this home.

355
00:17:39,977 --> 00:17:44,481
Before his mom died, he took her to see
the marquee of The Golden Apple,

356
00:17:44,565 --> 00:17:46,733
which was the play
that he was in on Broadway.

357
00:17:46,817 --> 00:17:48,652
She just didn't say anything.

358
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,613
But she did say, "You stunk,"

359
00:17:51,697 --> 00:17:54,825
when she saw him in a play
in school or something?

360
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[laughing] Just horrible.

361
00:18:00,289 --> 00:18:01,373
"I said to Anne,

362
00:18:01,456 --> 00:18:04,334
'You know when they ask me
if my parents ever encouraged me,'

363
00:18:04,418 --> 00:18:06,461
I'll say, 'There was nothing to encourage.

364
00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:09,673
The truth is my father
never said anything to encourage me.

365
00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:11,008
I did it all by myself.'"

366
00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:12,384
[Amy] That's right.

367
00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:14,052
[Ben] "'Maybe,' she said,
'they were fearful.

368
00:18:14,136 --> 00:18:15,637
They didn't wanna see you get hurt.'

369
00:18:15,721 --> 00:18:17,723
Suddenly I could feel the truth.
Anne was right.

370
00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:19,933
They didn't wanna see me hurt.
Humiliated."

371
00:18:20,017 --> 00:18:22,895
- [Anne] Hm.
- [audience laughs]

372
00:18:22,978 --> 00:18:25,439
Mamma… Did you have
a good time tonight? I mean, uh…

373
00:18:25,522 --> 00:18:27,858
Did you have a good time?
I mean, did you…

374
00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:32,613
Joel, did I have a good time?
I'm overwhelmed.

375
00:18:32,696 --> 00:18:37,492
I mean, you know, it's been so long.
When you called up yesterday on the phone,

376
00:18:37,576 --> 00:18:39,369
I said, "Joel who?" you know?

377
00:18:39,453 --> 00:18:42,456
[Anne] We started to play in the village
and little coffee houses

378
00:18:42,539 --> 00:18:43,624
and stuff like that.

379
00:18:43,707 --> 00:18:45,501
[Anne in sketch] You can imagine
how I felt

380
00:18:45,584 --> 00:18:48,212
when, poof, out of the blue,
you take me to dinner and a show.

381
00:18:48,295 --> 00:18:50,005
- [Jerry] Yeah.
- I figured, "What's up?"…

382
00:18:50,088 --> 00:18:52,424
[Ben] They came up with a sketch
in their living room,

383
00:18:52,508 --> 00:18:54,927
you know, 20 blocks up Broadway,

384
00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:57,638
that then they were gonna,
you know, do on stage here

385
00:18:57,721 --> 00:19:00,057
that would be beamed out
to the rest of the world.

386
00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:02,893
[Jerry] The town coordinator
came down and saw us.

387
00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:06,563
And he liked us,
and they hired us for a shot.

388
00:19:07,231 --> 00:19:08,398
One shot on Ed Sullivan.

389
00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:11,902
[Ben] Looking at the marquee
coming up there. Wow, imagine that,

390
00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:15,697
saying, you know, "Ed Sullivan Theater,
Stiller and Meara, Rolling Stones."

391
00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:19,952
[announcer] And now, here he is,
live from New York, Ed Sullivan.

392
00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:22,079
Kind of puts a lump
in your throat to think about it.

393
00:19:22,788 --> 00:19:24,998
[Anne] The time Ed Sullivan was on,

394
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there would be generations
of grandparents, parents, children,

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all watching one show.

396
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,505
[Ben] The Ed Sullivan Show was watched

397
00:19:31,588 --> 00:19:34,007
by something like
20 or 30 million people every week.

398
00:19:34,091 --> 00:19:36,009
[Ben] Does this feel natural and relaxed?

399
00:19:36,093 --> 00:19:38,846
[Stephen Colbert] Is this good?
Is this how we planned it?

400
00:19:38,929 --> 00:19:41,139
- Hi. Good to see you.
- [Ben] How's it going, man?

401
00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:42,975
[Anne] It was live
from New York, you know,

402
00:19:43,058 --> 00:19:44,726
- before Saturday Night.
- [applause]

403
00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:47,896
They first said, "Do you wanna
move into The Ed Sullivan Theater?"

404
00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:51,316
My answer was, "Is it intimidating
to be in the Ed Sullivan Theater?"

405
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,527
[Ed Sullivan] Now, ladies
and gentlemen, The Supremes.

406
00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:55,487
Yes, that's right, Elvis Presley!

407
00:19:55,571 --> 00:19:56,405
The Beatles!

408
00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,866
[Ben] I mean, this was the apex
of show business.

409
00:19:58,949 --> 00:19:59,825
Yes.

410
00:19:59,908 --> 00:20:01,994
My mom talked about
how nervous she would be

411
00:20:02,077 --> 00:20:03,996
coming out of that dressing room upstairs.

412
00:20:04,538 --> 00:20:06,123
The walk to the elevator

413
00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:09,376
which went down to the stage
and how she wanted to throw up.

414
00:20:09,459 --> 00:20:11,545
[Anne] Everybody was busy
throwing up in the wings.

415
00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:14,214
If we were smart, we would've taken drugs,
I'm telling you.

416
00:20:14,298 --> 00:20:15,757
[interviewer and audience laugh]

417
00:20:15,841 --> 00:20:17,718
[Ben] It's a whole lot of pressure.

418
00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,637
I'm curious how you even…
Do you think about that? Because…

419
00:20:20,721 --> 00:20:24,349
I always think, "You only have one chance
to do these jokes, so don't fuck it up."

420
00:20:24,433 --> 00:20:25,601
- Right.
- I mean, like,

421
00:20:25,684 --> 00:20:28,645
I slap myself in the face, hard. Twice.

422
00:20:28,729 --> 00:20:29,563
[Ben] Are you serious?

423
00:20:29,646 --> 00:20:31,106
- Like this. Ready?
- Yeah.

424
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:33,150
- Oh, is that it?
- That's it.

425
00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:35,402
[Ben] Yeah. [laughs]

426
00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:36,862
[Ben] This was it for them.

427
00:20:36,945 --> 00:20:39,781
And if they did well,
he'd invite you back the next week.

428
00:20:39,865 --> 00:20:41,366
- [applause]
- [Anne] Thank you.

429
00:20:43,619 --> 00:20:46,538
This team you're about to meet,
they're completely novel.

430
00:20:46,622 --> 00:20:48,248
They have a completely new
approach to comedy.

431
00:20:48,332 --> 00:20:50,834
[Colbert] He now directs and produces
season two of Severance.

432
00:20:50,918 --> 00:20:52,878
Please welcome back to The Late Show…

433
00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:54,713
Jerry Stiller is the young fellow

434
00:20:54,796 --> 00:20:58,258
and the girl, Anne Meara.
So let's have a nice welcome for 'em.

435
00:20:58,342 --> 00:21:00,719
- [applause]
- [Sullivan] Jerry Stiller and…

436
00:21:00,802 --> 00:21:03,096
- [orchestra playing intro]
- [audience clapping]

437
00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:04,640
[Anne] We are witnessing

438
00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:07,976
one of the greatest
human interest stories of all times.

439
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:11,980
This man had been
entombed alive for 24 hours

440
00:21:12,064 --> 00:21:14,983
in the abdominal cavity of a giant whale.

441
00:21:15,067 --> 00:21:16,401
What is your name?

442
00:21:17,027 --> 00:21:17,986
Jonah.

443
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:19,738
[audience laughs]

444
00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:24,117
Strange ironic twist
that this man sitting before us

445
00:21:24,201 --> 00:21:28,705
should bear the same name as one
who long ago endured a similar fate.

446
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:30,624
Go right ahead, Mr. Jonah.

447
00:21:30,707 --> 00:21:32,793
Somebody else
this happened to here before me?

448
00:21:32,876 --> 00:21:35,170
- [audience laughs]
- Long time ago, sir.

449
00:21:35,671 --> 00:21:38,298
- This is some place, this California.
- [audience laughs]

450
00:21:38,382 --> 00:21:40,384
[laughing] It was
quite a while ago, Mr. Jonah.

451
00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:42,261
If it happened before, it'll happen again.

452
00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:45,222
- I don't think you understand, sir.
- They should rope it off.

453
00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:46,181
[audience laughs]

454
00:21:46,265 --> 00:21:49,226
- [Anne] I'm sure they should.
- You don't leave a place like this open!

455
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,770
[Ben] They started doing
The Ed Sullivan Show in '63.

456
00:21:51,854 --> 00:21:55,941
And then, he invited them back
and they kept coming back.

457
00:21:56,024 --> 00:21:59,444
I'd just been born, they'd just moved
to this new apartment on Riverside Drive.

458
00:21:59,528 --> 00:22:01,405
I think they paid 11,000 dollars for it.

459
00:22:01,488 --> 00:22:03,866
[Anne] The Sullivan Show,
it hung over our head.

460
00:22:03,949 --> 00:22:07,286
We had to come up with six minutes
and they had to be funny.

461
00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,788
- [woman] And you wrote it all yourselves?
- [Anne] Oh, yes.

462
00:22:10,289 --> 00:22:11,874
[Ben] It was, all of sudden, security.

463
00:22:11,957 --> 00:22:15,669
But the flipside of it was
they had to do it every time.

464
00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:19,256
[Anne] 'Cause every time an Ed Sullivan
date was in the offing,

465
00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:21,800
we had two weeks to get ready
to have new material.

466
00:22:21,884 --> 00:22:25,012
- [Anne]
- [Jerry] Mrs. Claus… Mrs. Claus…

467
00:22:25,095 --> 00:22:26,096
[Anne]

468
00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:28,056
[Jerry laughing]

469
00:22:29,016 --> 00:22:30,726
[Anne]

470
00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:31,852
[Jerry laughs heartily]

471
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:35,981
[Anne laughs softly]

472
00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:37,858
[Jerry] Well, we ran out of premises,
you know?

473
00:22:37,941 --> 00:22:41,570
We had a guy and a tall girl,
and we had the boss and the wife.

474
00:22:41,653 --> 00:22:43,906
We had Anne playing Mrs. Santa Claus…

475
00:22:43,989 --> 00:22:46,658
- Oh, that elf had a crummy mouth on him.
- I see.

476
00:22:46,742 --> 00:22:49,036
- No sense of meshuggenah.
- Uh, what, Mrs. Claus?

477
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,079
It's an Eskimo word
I picked up in the neighborhood.

478
00:22:51,163 --> 00:22:52,331
- I see.
- [audience laughs]

479
00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:56,335
These became their famous
signature sketches.

480
00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:58,837
- Like Computer Dating.
- Right. Wow.

481
00:22:58,921 --> 00:23:02,925
[Jerry] The idea of playing ourselves
from our ethnic backgrounds

482
00:23:03,008 --> 00:23:04,593
had never come up before.

483
00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:07,387
[Ben] They did this sketch
which was computer dating,

484
00:23:07,471 --> 00:23:10,390
which had just been invented.
And the sketch was

485
00:23:10,474 --> 00:23:13,393
that a Jewish guy and an Irish
Catholic girl get put together.

486
00:23:13,477 --> 00:23:15,103
[Eaton] And that was Jerry's idea.

487
00:23:15,187 --> 00:23:20,150
[Jerry] And so we went home and we created
Hershey Horowitz and Mary Elizabeth Doyle.

488
00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:21,818
[Sullivan] Here's a wonderful team

489
00:23:21,902 --> 00:23:25,364
and they have a… something
they're gonna do for you right now

490
00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:29,701
I think it'll go down as, uh,
an all-time classic.

491
00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:34,873
The team of Stiller and Meara
expressing this spirit.

492
00:23:34,957 --> 00:23:37,709
- [orchestra playing intro]
- [audience clapping]

493
00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:39,002
[Anne sighs]

494
00:23:39,086 --> 00:23:41,046
- How do you do?
- How do you do?

495
00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,006
I'm Hershey Horowitz.

496
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:44,258
[audience laughing]

497
00:23:44,341 --> 00:23:46,260
I'm Mary Elizabeth Doyle.

498
00:23:46,343 --> 00:23:48,178
[audience laughing]

499
00:23:48,262 --> 00:23:49,471
"Doyle?"

500
00:23:49,555 --> 00:23:50,556
"Horowitz?"

501
00:23:50,639 --> 00:23:51,473
[audience laughing]

502
00:23:51,557 --> 00:23:52,391
Horowitz.

503
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:55,519
H-O-R-O-W-I-T-Z.

504
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:57,020
- Oh.
- Hershey.

505
00:23:57,104 --> 00:24:00,232
[Jerry] People who had seen us break it in
and rehearse, would say,

506
00:24:00,315 --> 00:24:03,360
"Well, it would never go on, because
it doesn't relate to the entire country."

507
00:24:03,443 --> 00:24:05,821
And no one had ever
done anything like that before.

508
00:24:05,904 --> 00:24:07,281
You have brothers and sisters?

509
00:24:07,364 --> 00:24:08,782
- Three brothers.
- Oh.

510
00:24:08,866 --> 00:24:10,534
Bach, Buzi and Saul.

511
00:24:10,617 --> 00:24:11,702
[audience laughing]

512
00:24:11,785 --> 00:24:13,078
- Bach?
- Bach.

513
00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:14,413
- Ba-ch.
- No. Bach.

514
00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:15,706
Bach. Excuse me.

515
00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:17,833
[Anne] That was the one
that resonated, I guess.

516
00:24:17,916 --> 00:24:21,211
And certainly with Ed Sullivan,
because he was Irish

517
00:24:21,295 --> 00:24:23,422
and his wife was Jewish, Sylvia.

518
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,090
[applause]

519
00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:28,093
[Jerry] When we finished that sketch,
he was over there

520
00:24:28,552 --> 00:24:32,014
and his beautiful blue eyes were crying,
they were weeping.

521
00:24:32,097 --> 00:24:33,348
He couldn't get over the…

522
00:24:33,432 --> 00:24:36,643
[Ben] And this ended up
being the iconic sketch for them.

523
00:24:36,727 --> 00:24:39,062
[Anne] We-- We did reach a, uh…

524
00:24:39,146 --> 00:24:40,689
- [host] Pinnacle?
- [Jerry laughs]

525
00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:42,232
[Anne] Yeah, that's good.

526
00:24:42,316 --> 00:24:44,151
[no audible dialogue]

527
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,237
[Anne] The Ed Sullivan Show for us,

528
00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:50,073
made it much easier to go out
and play nightclubs

529
00:24:50,157 --> 00:24:51,909
and command a decent salary.

530
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:55,662
It's their own style of comedy.
Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara.

531
00:24:55,746 --> 00:24:57,414
- Here they are.
- [audience clapping]

532
00:24:57,497 --> 00:25:00,042
[Jerry] They booked us
into Cleveland, Detroit,

533
00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:01,168
Milwaukee, Chicago.

534
00:25:01,251 --> 00:25:04,505
The comedy
of Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller.

535
00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:06,840
[Johnny Carson] That's the best piece
of comedy material

536
00:25:06,924 --> 00:25:08,467
I've heard in a long, long time.

537
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:11,345
They're married in real life.
He is Jewish and she's Irish.

538
00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:13,096
They're for real.

539
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:14,723
[young Amy]

540
00:25:24,107 --> 00:25:25,108
[applause]

541
00:25:25,192 --> 00:25:28,028
[Anne]

542
00:25:28,111 --> 00:25:29,154
[audience laughs]

543
00:25:29,238 --> 00:25:32,032
[Jerry]

544
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:37,955
[Anne]

545
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:39,748
[audience laughs]

546
00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:42,835
[Ben] They started to work a lot.

547
00:25:42,918 --> 00:25:44,920
People knew them, they were famous.

548
00:25:45,003 --> 00:25:46,338
And Jerry loved it.

549
00:25:46,672 --> 00:25:48,632
[Eaton] He loved to be recognized,

550
00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:50,634
happy to sign autographs,

551
00:25:50,717 --> 00:25:53,637
happy to have the accolades.

552
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,806
- [ping]
- [host] Jerry, what bothers you more?

553
00:25:55,889 --> 00:25:58,767
When somebody criticizes your performance
and you thought it was good,

554
00:25:58,851 --> 00:26:00,561
or when somebody raves
about your performance

555
00:26:00,644 --> 00:26:04,356
- and you thought it was terrible?
- When somebody criticizes me…

556
00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:05,691
- You got it. That's it.
- [ping]

557
00:26:05,774 --> 00:26:06,650
Everybody got it.

558
00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:09,736
[Ben] This success was really,
really important to him.

559
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:12,155
[no audible dialogue]

560
00:26:12,239 --> 00:26:16,827
[Ben] My mom cared about the work
but it didn't define her.

561
00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:19,288
[host] Do you wanna know,
when you come off stage?

562
00:26:19,371 --> 00:26:20,539
Uh…

563
00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:23,500
- [host] I'm just curious.
- No, I really think, uh…

564
00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:25,085
I-I don't seek it out.

565
00:26:25,169 --> 00:26:26,545
He put himself out there.

566
00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:28,672
I think sometimes
it drove my mother crazy.

567
00:26:28,755 --> 00:26:30,716
He would love
to connect with the fans, right?

568
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,093
[Ben] They'd be having a conversation,
somebody would come over,

569
00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:34,011
"Jerry, I love you!"

570
00:26:34,094 --> 00:26:35,971
And my mother would be like,
"We're talking."

571
00:26:36,722 --> 00:26:39,141
And my dad would be like,
"Tell me about your children."

572
00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:40,559
Right. No, yeah.

573
00:26:40,642 --> 00:26:43,478
I remember this one time
I literally was on the street

574
00:26:43,562 --> 00:26:45,314
talking to him about the fact

575
00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:48,567
that I felt like
he didn't pay enough attention to us

576
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:50,569
and while we were talking,
somebody on the street

577
00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:52,362
came over and said,
"Jerry, I love your work."

578
00:26:52,446 --> 00:26:54,198
And he started talking to the guy.

579
00:26:54,281 --> 00:26:57,367
That's actually hilarious,
because just a few weeks ago,

580
00:26:57,451 --> 00:27:01,747
we were all out at a restaurant
and I'd been stressed about college stuff

581
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:04,625
and the people there
wanted to get, like, a picture with you.

582
00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:06,251
And I just remember I was so frustrated,

583
00:27:06,335 --> 00:27:08,670
like, the world just has to stop
to get this picture.

584
00:27:08,754 --> 00:27:11,298
- You know what I mean?
- I think I got more of my dad in me

585
00:27:11,381 --> 00:27:13,258
- than my mom.
- Right. Than your mom. Exactly!

586
00:27:13,342 --> 00:27:14,968
- Can I ask you a favor?
- Yeah.

587
00:27:15,052 --> 00:27:17,513
- Can I say goodnight to Amy and Benjy?
- You better.

588
00:27:17,596 --> 00:27:19,223
Goodnight, Amy and Benjy.

589
00:27:22,643 --> 00:27:24,895
[Ben] When Mom and Dad were away to LA

590
00:27:24,978 --> 00:27:28,023
to do some… whatever,
game show or talk show,

591
00:27:28,732 --> 00:27:30,776
first of all,
we'd miss them when they were gone.

592
00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:32,819
But I remember that being so much fun.

593
00:27:32,903 --> 00:27:34,988
- 'Cause we would stay up late…
- [Amy] Yeah.

594
00:27:35,072 --> 00:27:37,824
…and we'd have our, like,
secret knocking on the wall.

595
00:27:37,908 --> 00:27:39,076
Yeah.

596
00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:42,287
Hit it.

597
00:27:42,371 --> 00:27:43,747
[both] Bonne nuit.

598
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:45,958
[both] Bonne nuit, finalement.

599
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:47,709
- [Amy] Buh-buh-buh!
- [Ben] B-b-b-b…

600
00:27:47,793 --> 00:27:49,503
And then I'd be like, "Bam!"

601
00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:52,464
- It was like our own little world.
- [Ben] Yeah.

602
00:27:52,548 --> 00:27:54,341
["The Rubberband Man"
by The Spinners playing]

603
00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:56,552
♪ Hand me down my walking cane ♪

604
00:27:56,635 --> 00:27:58,804
♪ Hand me down my hat… ♪

605
00:27:59,972 --> 00:28:04,017
[Ben] Our building was its own ecosystem
because it was so big.

606
00:28:04,852 --> 00:28:07,229
It was a lot of, kind of,
going back and forth

607
00:28:07,312 --> 00:28:09,022
between people's apartments

608
00:28:09,106 --> 00:28:12,317
so you go up and down the elevators,
or you go up and down the stairs.

609
00:28:12,401 --> 00:28:13,694
[song continues]

610
00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:15,362
And it was, you know, the '70s

611
00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:18,532
so definitely less gentrified
and less safe.

612
00:28:20,158 --> 00:28:22,536
And there was a real sense of community.

613
00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:25,497
So all my friends were in the building.

614
00:28:25,581 --> 00:28:28,667
Adam Max. His dad
was Peter Max, the artist.

615
00:28:31,879 --> 00:28:33,505
We'd go up there
and Peter would have

616
00:28:33,589 --> 00:28:36,008
all these really interesting people over.

617
00:28:36,091 --> 00:28:37,968
Like the Swami Satchidananda

618
00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:41,305
and all these
kinda hip, groovy '70s people.

619
00:28:41,388 --> 00:28:43,515
[song continues]

620
00:28:45,726 --> 00:28:48,228
There was a lot of creative energy
in the building and…

621
00:28:49,271 --> 00:28:52,900
I started to pick up a camera
the way my dad always did.

622
00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:55,527
[song ends]

623
00:28:56,361 --> 00:28:58,238
Making my own movies.

624
00:28:58,697 --> 00:29:00,073
- [camera whirrs]
- [slate claps]

625
00:29:02,618 --> 00:29:06,121
[young Ben] Good evening.
This is "The Benjamin Stiller Hour".

626
00:29:06,205 --> 00:29:08,373
[young Amy] Intermission.

627
00:29:08,457 --> 00:29:11,251
My dad got me a Super 8 camera.

628
00:29:11,335 --> 00:29:12,711
Got me editing equipment.

629
00:29:15,464 --> 00:29:19,426
For me, it became sort of a safe harbor.

630
00:29:22,429 --> 00:29:24,640
When they were away or fighting…

631
00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:25,599
[no sound on footage]

632
00:29:25,682 --> 00:29:28,977
…or weren't focusing on us
because they were working so much,

633
00:29:30,687 --> 00:29:32,356
it was something to fall into.

634
00:29:34,525 --> 00:29:35,817
[projector clicks]

635
00:29:35,901 --> 00:29:37,277
[camera whirrs]

636
00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:47,287
[Ben] Hard thing to imagine
the apartment's not gonna exist anymore.

637
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:55,712
Basically, whenever it is that you decide,
"Okay, we've got this stuff out",

638
00:29:55,796 --> 00:29:57,714
realtors are gonna say,

639
00:29:57,798 --> 00:30:01,468
"Okay, let's clear it out
and let's stage it."

640
00:30:02,636 --> 00:30:05,556
[Amy] It's not a reality…
I'm not in touch with it right now.

641
00:30:05,639 --> 00:30:07,349
- [Ben] Yeah. And that's, to me…
- To be honest.

642
00:30:07,432 --> 00:30:10,978
[Ben] …what's really gonna, kind of,
really make everything feel real.

643
00:30:11,061 --> 00:30:13,689
- [Amy] Exactly.
- It's just this place not being here.

644
00:30:18,277 --> 00:30:20,279
[no audio in footage]

645
00:30:36,378 --> 00:30:38,547
[young Amy]

646
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,924
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

647
00:30:41,008 --> 00:30:42,843
[Anne]

648
00:30:42,926 --> 00:30:46,388
[Jerry] Very few people are lucky enough
to find, uh, together

649
00:30:46,471 --> 00:30:48,640
what they dream about as kids.

650
00:30:49,266 --> 00:30:51,351
Frankly, I mean, we're very fortunate

651
00:30:51,435 --> 00:30:54,062
to find our love and our happiness
in the work that we do.

652
00:30:54,146 --> 00:30:56,648
And we get a great charge
out of making it happen.

653
00:30:58,692 --> 00:31:01,695
[Ben] I remember there was a folding,
white accordion door.

654
00:31:01,778 --> 00:31:03,614
[Anne] Oh, I had to be able
to do all things.

655
00:31:03,697 --> 00:31:07,284
Wife, lover, sweetheart, pal, cook.
Then you say, "Well, I'll do the cooking."

656
00:31:07,367 --> 00:31:09,661
[Ben] And when that door was closed,
they were working.

657
00:31:10,037 --> 00:31:12,915
[Anne]

658
00:31:12,998 --> 00:31:15,834
[Ben] And that was time
to not bother them.

659
00:31:15,918 --> 00:31:18,295
[Anne]

660
00:31:18,378 --> 00:31:20,339
[Jerry]

661
00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:23,091
[Ben] Sometimes hearing laughter,
sometimes hearing raised voices.

662
00:31:23,175 --> 00:31:25,177
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

663
00:31:27,721 --> 00:31:32,601
[Ben] Never knowing if that was real
or them rehearsing something.

664
00:31:32,684 --> 00:31:35,604
She's the funniest woman in the world
off stage and on stage.

665
00:31:35,687 --> 00:31:38,857
Now, the thing is, when she does
these funny things, I am being…

666
00:31:38,941 --> 00:31:40,859
I am an exploiter, an opportunist.

667
00:31:40,943 --> 00:31:43,654
I'll take a pencil and start
to write it down. The minute I do that…

668
00:31:43,737 --> 00:31:46,365
He'll say, "We can use that on a show."
And I'm ready to kill him.

669
00:31:46,448 --> 00:31:49,618
I said-- Again, where does the act end
and the marriage begin?

670
00:31:50,035 --> 00:31:51,453
I hate you.

671
00:31:51,954 --> 00:31:54,289
You hate me? I hate you.

672
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:57,668
You don't know what hate is,
the kind of hate I have for you.

673
00:31:57,751 --> 00:31:58,794
[scattered laughter]

674
00:31:58,877 --> 00:32:01,338
My hate for you is such a hate…

675
00:32:01,421 --> 00:32:02,422
[audience laughs]

676
00:32:02,506 --> 00:32:04,174
…such a hot hate.

677
00:32:04,258 --> 00:32:05,133
[audience laughs]

678
00:32:05,217 --> 00:32:08,679
I hate you with hot,
heaping hunks of hate.

679
00:32:08,762 --> 00:32:09,596
[audience laughs]

680
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,181
[Jerry] We have a sketch we call "Hate".

681
00:32:11,265 --> 00:32:12,349
The heat of your hot hate…

682
00:32:12,432 --> 00:32:16,436
[Jerry] I say to Anne, "I hate you."
And she says, "You hate me? I hate you."

683
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,772
And one day, Amy, who's six,
came into the room

684
00:32:18,856 --> 00:32:22,067
and she heard us saying this to each other
and we looked at her for a moment

685
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:24,027
and we didn't know what to say,
so we said,

686
00:32:24,111 --> 00:32:28,240
"Amy, Mommy-Daddy rehearse.
Mommy-Daddy rehearse."

687
00:32:28,323 --> 00:32:30,993
And Amy looked at us
and she started to smile.

688
00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:33,537
Well, about two weeks later,
we were fighting.

689
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:34,955
[host laughs]

690
00:32:35,038 --> 00:32:36,456
Amy walked in and she said…

691
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:38,959
"Mommy-Daddy rehearse?"
"No, Mommy-Daddy fight."

692
00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:42,129
- "Get outta here!"
- It gets to be a little complicated.

693
00:32:42,212 --> 00:32:45,257
- I hated you before I met you.
- I hated you before you were born.

694
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:47,676
[Ben] To me, that's one of the things
that I think about

695
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,554
is just how that became, sort of, like,

696
00:32:50,637 --> 00:32:52,973
"Yeah, that's the laugh.
That's the funny joke."

697
00:32:53,056 --> 00:32:55,350
But what is the reality
of that story, though?

698
00:32:55,434 --> 00:32:57,060
[sighs]

699
00:32:57,144 --> 00:32:58,145
We don't know, Ben.

700
00:32:58,228 --> 00:33:00,689
That's why we're so messed up. That's why…

701
00:33:00,772 --> 00:33:02,357
That's why we're doing this documentary?

702
00:33:02,441 --> 00:33:05,152
We're gonna figure it out
by going through this stuff.

703
00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:08,322
[TV host] Anne and Jerry
live in a large apartment on the West Side

704
00:33:08,405 --> 00:33:10,991
with their daughter, Amy, and son, Benjy.

705
00:33:11,074 --> 00:33:14,244
Much of their comedy material
begins at home.

706
00:33:14,328 --> 00:33:18,373
Apparently, this is one marriage
where there is no communications problem.

707
00:33:18,457 --> 00:33:20,250
- I--
- He doesn't even pick up his underwear

708
00:33:20,334 --> 00:33:21,835
on the floor. He doesn't.

709
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:23,003
This is the way you talk

710
00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:24,922
in front of these people
here in New York City?

711
00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:26,423
I mean, where were you raised, that…

712
00:33:26,507 --> 00:33:28,717
If you're an artist,
you don't worry about underwear.

713
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,429
- You don't worry about things like…
- What am I? Chopped liver?

714
00:33:32,513 --> 00:33:35,057
[TV host] But what is important
is that Anne and Jerry

715
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:37,476
put family life first
and show business second.

716
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:42,022
[Jerry] It's 1976, and I'm filming
my son Benjy coming down the hill.

717
00:33:42,105 --> 00:33:45,567
To about three miles an hour
on this madness of life.

718
00:33:45,651 --> 00:33:48,237
Do you ever have any aspirations
of being in theater or…

719
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,490
- What the hell is this gizmo here?
- [Jerry laughs]

720
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,660
I'm Ben Stiller, doing the voiceover
for this whole show.

721
00:33:54,743 --> 00:33:56,787
Whatever happened
to the sweet little old Alice

722
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:58,497
we once knew in Wonderland?

723
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:02,084
It's a very early hour.
It's, uh, 6:30 in the morning

724
00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:03,502
[in fast-forward]
I'm going back to sleep. Goodbye.

725
00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:07,130
[Ben] You know, you grow up around
these very unique theater people.

726
00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:08,047
[Amy] Yeah.

727
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:11,510
[Ben] Always up to, like,
do weird improvisations and stuff.

728
00:34:11,592 --> 00:34:15,138
ABC Sports, interviewing
the great Italian diver.

729
00:34:15,222 --> 00:34:18,600
[in Italian accent] I know I'm gonna win
because I got my lucky, uh, shirt on.

730
00:34:18,684 --> 00:34:21,687
- Let-Let's see you dive.
- [own accent] Are you kiddin'?

731
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:24,773
- Commercial! Quick.
- Cut! Cut!

732
00:34:25,315 --> 00:34:27,317
[Ben] When we were kids,
he would do crazy characters.

733
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,235
- I feel like you do that, too.
- [Ben laughs]

734
00:34:29,319 --> 00:34:32,406
- [Ella Stiller] I love that we do that.
- I do, too. That's who we are.

735
00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:34,199
Well, I better get going now.

736
00:34:34,283 --> 00:34:37,661
[both kids] Aw, we love you, Mr. Apple.

737
00:34:37,744 --> 00:34:42,748
Oh, one more thing.
The name's Mr. Anaragreenapopo.

738
00:34:43,292 --> 00:34:46,295
[young Ella] Daddy, can you do that
one more time, except louder?

739
00:34:46,378 --> 00:34:47,880
- Anaragreenapopo.
- [laughter]

740
00:34:47,963 --> 00:34:49,547
[TV host] Benjy, your mother says

741
00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:52,259
that she'd like you maybe to grow up
to be a big producer

742
00:34:52,342 --> 00:34:55,137
and then you could give her
and your dad starring roles.

743
00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:56,513
Would you hire these two?

744
00:34:56,597 --> 00:34:59,600
- No.
- [host] You wouldn't? Benjy.

745
00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:01,351
- What is this?
- [host] What is it? Yeah.

746
00:35:01,435 --> 00:35:03,061
Boy, how fast they forget!

747
00:35:03,145 --> 00:35:05,063
Well, I would hire somebody else.

748
00:35:05,147 --> 00:35:06,106
- Why?
- Why?

749
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:08,066
It'd be hard to work with you.

750
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:09,484
[all laughing]

751
00:35:09,568 --> 00:35:14,156
So, Benjy, would you cast
your parents in, uh… in your movies?

752
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,575
- Well, no.
- [Ben laughs]

753
00:35:16,658 --> 00:35:19,578
- Why not?
- Well, I don't think I'd cast them.

754
00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:20,662
[Ben laughs]

755
00:35:20,746 --> 00:35:23,290
Well, I think they'd be rather hard
to work with.

756
00:35:23,373 --> 00:35:26,502
- [Ben continues to laugh]
- I think I would cast somebody else.

757
00:35:28,837 --> 00:35:30,088
I didn't sound like that.

758
00:35:30,172 --> 00:35:34,801
Well, see, the movie I was gonna make,
they wouldn't be right for it.

759
00:35:34,885 --> 00:35:36,220
It's… It wouldn't…

760
00:35:36,303 --> 00:35:38,305
How would you like to work
for the State Department?

761
00:35:38,388 --> 00:35:41,058
[host laughs]
No, why? What's the movie about?

762
00:35:41,141 --> 00:35:47,272
I'll be making adventure or a murder
or something like that, but never comedy.

763
00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:49,733
I don't like comedy. I don't like comedy.

764
00:35:49,816 --> 00:35:50,817
[zipper fastens]

765
00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:53,070
Ow!

766
00:35:53,153 --> 00:35:55,656
[rapping] ♪ I'm Ben, I'm Ben
It's my show, yo ♪

767
00:35:55,739 --> 00:35:57,950
[Ben] "Fox's new Sunday night show,
The Ben Stiller Show,

768
00:35:58,033 --> 00:36:00,661
premiering tomorrow night
at 7:30 on Channel 5

769
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:03,789
is… [laughs] is a feeble collection
of film sketches,

770
00:36:03,872 --> 00:36:06,291
starring a comic
clearly not ready for prime time."

771
00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:07,960
[laughs]

772
00:36:08,043 --> 00:36:10,838
"You too can get probably
get your own TV show like Ben Stiller

773
00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:12,631
if you come from a showbiz family.

774
00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:15,759
His parents are likeable comics,
Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller."

775
00:36:15,843 --> 00:36:17,886
"Offspring of a Comedy Line."

776
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:20,681
You know, for me, going out
trying to have my own career,

777
00:36:20,764 --> 00:36:23,600
so much of it was tied into my parents.

778
00:36:23,684 --> 00:36:26,812
They just cast a very big shadow.

779
00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:31,024
Both as entertainers, actors, comedians.
But then just also as people.

780
00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:35,612
And I think for a long time,
I felt like it was so much to live up to.

781
00:36:35,696 --> 00:36:37,155
Part of me really wanted

782
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,575
- to just distance myself from them.
- Yeah.

783
00:36:40,284 --> 00:36:42,286
Oh, Mr. Munster.

784
00:36:42,369 --> 00:36:45,372
[Christine laughs]
I'm laughing as you're saying that

785
00:36:45,455 --> 00:36:48,542
because you're so contradicting yourself

786
00:36:48,625 --> 00:36:53,255
because one of them or both of them
were always in things you did. [laughs]

787
00:36:53,338 --> 00:36:55,215
Because I wasn't stupid. They were funny.

788
00:36:55,299 --> 00:36:57,801
Even in my audition tape
for Saturday Night Live…

789
00:36:57,885 --> 00:36:59,678
Look, Ma, big favor, big favor.

790
00:36:59,761 --> 00:37:01,263
I got a writer in there
who's all dried up.

791
00:37:01,346 --> 00:37:03,849
I got-- I got a lot of, uh,
material I need.

792
00:37:03,932 --> 00:37:05,559
- I got-- You talked so fast.
- Start again.

793
00:37:05,642 --> 00:37:07,186
- What is this?
- That's old stuff.

794
00:37:07,269 --> 00:37:09,313
- Daddy and I did that a long…
- Stiller and Meara stuff?

795
00:37:09,396 --> 00:37:11,440
- Yeah, on The Sullivan Show, honey.
- This is good.

796
00:37:11,523 --> 00:37:12,733
- No, it's not.
- Wait a minute.

797
00:37:12,816 --> 00:37:14,109
It's 30 years old. It's not pertinent.

798
00:37:14,193 --> 00:37:16,528
[Ben] I was using them completely.
[laughs]

799
00:37:16,612 --> 00:37:18,697
In case you just joined us,
we're spending a day in my life.

800
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:20,699
[Ben now] One of the sketches
we did on the show

801
00:37:20,782 --> 00:37:22,534
was us all going
to family therapy together.

802
00:37:22,618 --> 00:37:24,077
I come from a show business family…

803
00:37:24,161 --> 00:37:26,330
- [Ben now] We actually did go to therapy.
- [Ella laughs]

804
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:27,873
It's my life.

805
00:37:27,956 --> 00:37:29,875
[sighs] Okay, I'd like to talk

806
00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:33,128
about how the rest of the family
feels intimidated by my success.

807
00:37:33,212 --> 00:37:35,631
- [laughs]
- [doctor] Jerry, please.

808
00:37:35,714 --> 00:37:37,633
No, I mean, you know…
I think it's obvious.

809
00:37:37,716 --> 00:37:40,052
You can't deal with the fact
I'm more successful than you are.

810
00:37:40,135 --> 00:37:41,303
What's he talking about?

811
00:37:41,386 --> 00:37:43,680
I'm so sick of Ben
monopolizing the conversation.

812
00:37:43,764 --> 00:37:45,807
- This happens every time.
- All right.

813
00:37:45,891 --> 00:37:48,685
- This is my sister Amy.
- No! Really. You come in here

814
00:37:48,769 --> 00:37:50,395
and you're the biggest baby
I've ever seen.

815
00:37:50,479 --> 00:37:53,440
You just use our lives as fodder
for your little show. It's disgusting.

816
00:37:53,524 --> 00:37:55,317
- Little show?
- Yes, little show, Benjy.

817
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,985
Why don't you tell everybody

818
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:58,904
about the time you wet your bed
with your girlfriend?

819
00:37:58,987 --> 00:38:00,822
- Shut up, Amy!
- That's 'cause it's true!

820
00:38:00,906 --> 00:38:03,033
- [Anne] Stop it!
- Shut up! I hate you!

821
00:38:03,116 --> 00:38:06,912
[Ben laughs] And it was ridiculous
'cause nobody knew who I was at the time.

822
00:38:06,995 --> 00:38:09,289
Screw you and your little dog too!

823
00:38:09,373 --> 00:38:11,208
Look out! She's got an egg! Aaah!

824
00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:13,669
[Ben] But the line was always
blurred in our family.

825
00:38:13,752 --> 00:38:16,046
I mean, we grew up
around them working together

826
00:38:16,129 --> 00:38:18,674
and improvising to create their act.

827
00:38:18,757 --> 00:38:22,803
And that's what we did as kids
'cause they did it and it worked for them.

828
00:38:22,886 --> 00:38:24,471
I'll split your lip for ya!

829
00:38:24,555 --> 00:38:27,140
- A woman seems to be--
- This is Mommy talking to ya, sweetheart.

830
00:38:27,224 --> 00:38:30,060
[Ben] It worked so well
that it literally became their identity

831
00:38:30,143 --> 00:38:31,812
and their livelihood.

832
00:38:31,895 --> 00:38:35,232
I'd always been funny by accident.
It was Jerry that got me to do comedy.

833
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:38,193
It's much easier to be funny
by accident than to be funny, you know…

834
00:38:38,277 --> 00:38:40,863
- [Jerry] And I was…
- …two times a night at a nightclub.

835
00:38:40,946 --> 00:38:43,532
[Ben] He was always, you know,
mining and pulling it out of her

836
00:38:43,615 --> 00:38:45,367
because he admired her so much.

837
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:49,162
But that also put stress on their…
And pressure on her.

838
00:38:49,246 --> 00:38:51,748
[Anne] You think each of these vignettes
is gonna be a winner.

839
00:38:51,832 --> 00:38:53,584
But, when you tell it, it's not funny.

840
00:38:53,667 --> 00:38:57,421
- And if I tell it, it becomes funny.
- [Jerry] Yeah. Yeah.

841
00:38:57,504 --> 00:39:01,633
[Ben] After having to do these
incredibly high-pressure gigs,

842
00:39:01,717 --> 00:39:03,719
just wanting to let off steam…

843
00:39:07,139 --> 00:39:10,309
she'd go to Patsy's
and she'd have her vodka.

844
00:39:12,978 --> 00:39:14,479
It was hard.

845
00:39:16,231 --> 00:39:17,816
This summer, I was a little edgy.

846
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:21,195
We were in a trailer. Benjy came up to me.
And I said, "What is it?"

847
00:39:21,278 --> 00:39:24,698
And Amy came over to Benjy
and she says, "Leave Mommy alone.

848
00:39:24,781 --> 00:39:27,451
Can't you see
she's under a lot of pressure?"

849
00:39:27,534 --> 00:39:29,036
[Jerry] Here's what happened.
She'd scream at them

850
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,330
and then, uh, they'd look at me
in a strange way.

851
00:39:31,413 --> 00:39:32,456
"What does she mean by that?"

852
00:39:32,539 --> 00:39:35,250
[whispering] I says, "You know,
she's got a show to do tomorrow night.

853
00:39:35,334 --> 00:39:37,794
She's a little upset about
what she has to do. Don't mind her."

854
00:39:37,878 --> 00:39:39,671
What you whispering for?
What is this, Watergate?

855
00:39:39,755 --> 00:39:40,589
[host laughs]

856
00:39:40,672 --> 00:39:42,424
What is this? Just speak into the tape.

857
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,052
- [Jerry] Say hello, Ben.
- Hi.

858
00:39:46,053 --> 00:39:48,889
I don't know what you're doing.
You're going crazy.

859
00:39:49,348 --> 00:39:51,183
[Anne] This child…

860
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:53,519
[laughing] has been rented
for the occasion.

861
00:39:53,602 --> 00:39:55,479
- [young Ben] Hello.
- [Anne] What's your name?

862
00:39:55,562 --> 00:39:57,940
- I said it was Benjy.
- What's your name?

863
00:39:58,023 --> 00:39:59,566
- We rented this little girl.
- Amy.

864
00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:01,401
[laughing] Oh, my God!

865
00:40:01,485 --> 00:40:03,028
[Anne] Amy is waiting for a parent…

866
00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:03,946
Well, we had a…

867
00:40:04,029 --> 00:40:06,365
But don't you think
we had a colorful childhood?

868
00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:09,701
Yeah. I just see Mom…
Like, that to me is, like…

869
00:40:10,702 --> 00:40:12,871
I think of it--
Yes, of course it was colorful.

870
00:40:12,955 --> 00:40:16,834
But I also see, like,
Mom's definitely… drunk.

871
00:40:16,917 --> 00:40:19,336
You think she's drunk? I don't think so.

872
00:40:19,711 --> 00:40:20,963
Are you kidding?

873
00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:25,425
And I feel that… I also know
that's why I'm reacting like that, too.

874
00:40:25,509 --> 00:40:26,385
- I can see…
- Mmm.

875
00:40:26,468 --> 00:40:29,179
"Why are you acting so… crazy?"

876
00:40:29,263 --> 00:40:31,515
I don't know if she was drunk.

877
00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:35,644
Or they were just joking around.
I mean, Dad wasn't exactly normal, either.

878
00:40:35,727 --> 00:40:38,313
I see him happy.
Yeah, no they were definitely…

879
00:40:38,397 --> 00:40:40,899
- [Anne]
- I don't know if he is, but…

880
00:40:40,983 --> 00:40:42,860
- [Anne] We rented this little girl.
- Amy. Amy.

881
00:40:42,943 --> 00:40:46,280
[Jerry] Uh…

882
00:40:54,329 --> 00:40:57,499
[Anne]

883
00:41:00,002 --> 00:41:03,964
With Jerry, you know, if you have
a second drink he says, "Stop that.

884
00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:05,215
You don't know who you are."

885
00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:07,092
Does she get silly after… a couple?

886
00:41:07,176 --> 00:41:10,345
He says, "Don't do that.
Everything you do reflects on me."

887
00:41:10,429 --> 00:41:12,890
Anne falls asleep on the coats,
usually, when that happens.

888
00:41:12,973 --> 00:41:15,559
I do. I usually find a room, you know,
where the coats are.

889
00:41:15,642 --> 00:41:17,686
And I end up dribbling on someone's mink.

890
00:41:17,769 --> 00:41:20,856
- No… It's very harmless.
- Not mine. I don't have a mink, lady.

891
00:41:20,939 --> 00:41:22,149
- Not me.
- You know, today…

892
00:41:22,232 --> 00:41:28,030
[Ben] When she was drinking,
my dad never really knew how to handle it.

893
00:41:28,113 --> 00:41:30,991
[Quin] Do you think he was afraid
to talk to her about it?

894
00:41:31,074 --> 00:41:33,160
[Ben] I think he loved her so much,

895
00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:36,205
- and he was so committed to her.
- Right.

896
00:41:36,288 --> 00:41:38,290
Also, the act and what they did together,

897
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:40,667
- it was so important that that worked…
- Yes. Yeah.

898
00:41:40,751 --> 00:41:44,421
…that he had to figure out
how to deal with that on his own.

899
00:41:44,505 --> 00:41:48,717
But I think I resented him
for not acknowledging it to us.

900
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,220
He loved us more than anything,
but I think he was just trying

901
00:41:51,303 --> 00:41:53,055
- to figure out how to navigate that.
- Right.

902
00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:56,725
And I got so angry at him
for not being there for us.

903
00:41:56,808 --> 00:41:58,727
But I don't think I even understood that.

904
00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:01,146
- Yeah.
- For a while.

905
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:02,189
[Jerry]

906
00:42:02,272 --> 00:42:03,440
I have to blame my--

907
00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:11,615
- [Anne] So…
- [Jerry]

908
00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:17,704
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

909
00:42:19,498 --> 00:42:21,834
[Jerry]

910
00:42:25,712 --> 00:42:28,590
[young Amy]

911
00:42:34,513 --> 00:42:36,098
[Jerry laughs]

912
00:42:36,181 --> 00:42:38,892
- [Jerry]
- [young Amy]

913
00:42:46,817 --> 00:42:49,152
[Anne] I am going wacky from guilt.

914
00:42:49,236 --> 00:42:51,154
I am the rottenest wife
and mother in the world.

915
00:42:51,238 --> 00:42:52,781
Now I'm putting myself down

916
00:42:52,865 --> 00:42:56,326
only in the hopes it will make me feel
better after saying it. You understand?

917
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:57,286
You mean to everybody?

918
00:42:57,369 --> 00:42:59,329
[woman] So the children say,
"No, you're not, Mommy."

919
00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:02,749
[Anne] Yeah, anything.
Because I'm not home enough.

920
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:07,004
And I wouldn't mind, if I could
carry it off, but I feel so rotten.

921
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:16,221
[Christine] I feel like your mom would
always own her, sort of, shortcomings.

922
00:43:16,305 --> 00:43:19,183
[Ben] Yeah, she was very open
about all of that.

923
00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:21,226
[Christine] So open about it.

924
00:43:21,602 --> 00:43:26,940
And really loved to talk about
all the things she didn't do.

925
00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:28,442
Like as a parent and a mother

926
00:43:28,525 --> 00:43:31,528
and how she screwed up
and, "We were working, we missed this."

927
00:43:34,072 --> 00:43:36,700
She would see me as a new mother

928
00:43:37,451 --> 00:43:39,077
and during those moments

929
00:43:39,161 --> 00:43:42,873
where it was crazy and frenetic
and your mom would just say, like,

930
00:43:42,956 --> 00:43:44,499
how great a job I was doing.

931
00:43:44,583 --> 00:43:48,378
Like, it was a way to make me
feel so good about what I was doing.

932
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:53,759
But also her acknowledging
what she couldn't do.

933
00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:57,804
"And the minute his heart
didn't feel quite so tight…"

934
00:44:00,849 --> 00:44:02,768
[Ben] But I think a lot of it, for her,

935
00:44:02,851 --> 00:44:07,064
came out of being overwhelmed
at being a mom,

936
00:44:07,147 --> 00:44:11,235
because she really felt so…
unprepared to be a mom.

937
00:44:11,318 --> 00:44:12,319
[Christine] Right.

938
00:44:12,402 --> 00:44:14,696
[Ben] You know,
what a traumatic thing it was

939
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:16,698
to lose her mom at such a young age.

940
00:44:16,782 --> 00:44:21,495
And then when she had Amy and I
and being overwhelmed by that,

941
00:44:21,578 --> 00:44:25,415
and the pressure of having to go
and do the act on Ed Sullivan

942
00:44:25,499 --> 00:44:28,836
and go do these shows. And it was hard.

943
00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:32,047
How about in your family?
Were you the youngest of the children?

944
00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:35,634
I am… I think I'm like you.
I think… Are you an only child?

945
00:44:35,717 --> 00:44:37,386
No, no. I just act like one.

946
00:44:37,469 --> 00:44:40,013
[laughs and coughs]

947
00:44:40,097 --> 00:44:42,933
Do you know what that means?
That means I'm probably a little spoilt.

948
00:44:43,016 --> 00:44:46,061
No, well, I'm the best and the worst,
I was an only child.

949
00:44:46,144 --> 00:44:49,314
Oh, you were an only… Were you closest
to your mother or your father?

950
00:44:49,773 --> 00:44:53,193
I, uh… I guess…
My mother died when I was young.

951
00:44:53,277 --> 00:44:55,070
I was a daddy's girl.

952
00:44:55,153 --> 00:44:56,488
[music drowns out dialogue]

953
00:44:56,572 --> 00:44:59,449
["O'Brien is Tryin' to Learn
To Talk Hawaiian" by Ada Jones playing]

954
00:44:59,533 --> 00:45:01,994
[Anne] I was an Irish princess
from Long Island.

955
00:45:03,495 --> 00:45:05,747
My mother loved movies.

956
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:10,586
I loved movies 'cause she did.

957
00:45:12,212 --> 00:45:15,841
I wanted to be like that. I wanted to be,
you know, on the silver screen.

958
00:45:16,717 --> 00:45:18,719
[song ends]

959
00:45:19,887 --> 00:45:22,055
[Ben] This is… She wrote to her mom.

960
00:45:22,431 --> 00:45:27,311
"To my mom. Now when it comes to poetry,
I think I'm just a flop.

961
00:45:27,394 --> 00:45:31,064
But all that I can say is this,
'I think you're just tops.'

962
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:34,151
- Love, Anne."
- That looks like my handwriting.

963
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,154
[Ben] Wow.

964
00:45:37,863 --> 00:45:41,491
"Just a little gift to make you
happy on Mother's Day. Love, Anne."

965
00:45:42,492 --> 00:45:44,453
- Oh, my God.
- [Amy gasps]

966
00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:47,664
[Anne] It was just my father and me.
And, you know…

967
00:45:47,748 --> 00:45:50,334
I could wind my father around my finger,

968
00:45:50,417 --> 00:45:55,005
'cause he was, like, distraught
and nervous ever since my mother died.

969
00:46:03,597 --> 00:46:05,933
[Ben] "It's October 15th, 1940,

970
00:46:06,016 --> 00:46:09,603
and I'm sitting on a milk box
near the side of a bungalow we rented

971
00:46:09,686 --> 00:46:12,022
far away from our old house
on Baker Hill Road.

972
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:14,733
And my mother was still unhappy.

973
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:18,820
Many neighbors
were milling about on the front lawn,

974
00:46:18,904 --> 00:46:20,697
and an ambulance
had pulled up to the curb.

975
00:46:21,448 --> 00:46:25,285
My father was in the house with paramedics
who were trying to revive my mother

976
00:46:25,369 --> 00:46:29,039
who had turned on the gas
and inhaled eternity."

977
00:46:32,084 --> 00:46:35,045
[John Guare] You know, she told me
about her mother's suicide.

978
00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:36,255
Which shocked me.

979
00:46:36,338 --> 00:46:38,757
[Ben] Her mother obviously
was suffering from depression,

980
00:46:38,841 --> 00:46:40,551
but they would say
that she would get blue.

981
00:46:40,634 --> 00:46:43,136
- Never said she was depressed.
- [Guare] No, she was just blue.

982
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:44,555
- She would get blue.
- [Ben] Yeah.

983
00:46:44,972 --> 00:46:48,725
And I think that's where Anne's
comic genius came from,

984
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:51,687
was her trying to cheer up May.

985
00:46:54,439 --> 00:46:58,986
I think her mother, May, is always
one step behind the audience.

986
00:46:59,069 --> 00:47:02,239
And so she's there
to keep her mother alive.

987
00:47:03,073 --> 00:47:07,744
Both Anne and Jerry
had come out of a real dark place.

988
00:47:07,828 --> 00:47:10,873
Their lives were always
reaching for the light.

989
00:47:11,415 --> 00:47:13,667
[applause]

990
00:47:14,918 --> 00:47:16,503
[Jerry] I love working with Anne,

991
00:47:16,587 --> 00:47:20,132
and I feel vibes when I'm with Anne
that I don't feel with anybody else.

992
00:47:20,215 --> 00:47:22,551
Now, why that happens, I can't explain it.

993
00:47:22,634 --> 00:47:24,928
Maybe it's some sort of a terrible need

994
00:47:25,012 --> 00:47:27,514
that one person has for another.
I feel very strongly.

995
00:47:27,598 --> 00:47:30,184
[Ben] For me, growing up,
seeing them work together,

996
00:47:30,267 --> 00:47:33,103
the act was what was moving them forward.

997
00:47:34,229 --> 00:47:37,191
But there was that tension in the marriage

998
00:47:37,274 --> 00:47:40,402
that came from them
wanting different things.

999
00:47:40,485 --> 00:47:42,988
Yet being tied into the act together.

1000
00:47:43,071 --> 00:47:46,533
- What do we do when we have a fight?
- We cry a lot, we hit each other.

1001
00:47:46,617 --> 00:47:48,035
What does anyone do?

1002
00:47:48,118 --> 00:47:52,039
Well, Anne and I have a way of dealing
with all husband-and-wife arguments…

1003
00:47:52,122 --> 00:47:53,916
[Jerry] The worst thing
that can happen to anybody

1004
00:47:53,999 --> 00:47:56,043
is indifference. It's the absence…

1005
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,546
I've never been indifferent to you, Jerry.
I've always felt and cared about you.

1006
00:47:59,630 --> 00:48:02,841
I've never been indifferent.
You know, I…

1007
00:48:02,925 --> 00:48:04,718
- Tell me how you felt.
- No, you've never been…

1008
00:48:04,801 --> 00:48:07,012
Well I've always felt
that when you had something to say…

1009
00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:08,847
Get in touch
with the real feelings within you.

1010
00:48:08,931 --> 00:48:11,767
Well…The reality of it all is
that when you're married to someone…

1011
00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:14,311
- They wanna hear your own feelings.
- [audience laughs]

1012
00:48:14,394 --> 00:48:17,606
[Ben] The dynamic of their whole,
sort of shtick was,

1013
00:48:17,689 --> 00:48:19,608
"Jerry, shut up. That's not interesting."

1014
00:48:19,691 --> 00:48:21,235
I don't know what that means, Jerry.

1015
00:48:21,318 --> 00:48:22,903
I get to say, "Shut up," now.

1016
00:48:22,986 --> 00:48:25,239
You've never talked so long
at one stretch, ever,

1017
00:48:25,322 --> 00:48:27,491
- without me interrupting.
- [host laughs]

1018
00:48:27,574 --> 00:48:29,034
Why did I let you do that?

1019
00:48:29,117 --> 00:48:31,703
When you talk about contributing
that includes both of us.

1020
00:48:31,787 --> 00:48:32,955
I don't want the people to think

1021
00:48:33,038 --> 00:48:35,374
I am stopping any idea
you might have in your brain.

1022
00:48:35,457 --> 00:48:37,709
[host 2] So speak up, Jerry, if you wish.

1023
00:48:37,793 --> 00:48:40,462
[Ben] That was also their dynamic in life

1024
00:48:40,546 --> 00:48:43,173
that they knew worked for their act.

1025
00:48:43,257 --> 00:48:45,592
I think any woman in the audience
would understand.

1026
00:48:45,676 --> 00:48:50,472
If you're together 24 hours a day,
I'm telling you, Lily, you can go bananas.

1027
00:48:50,556 --> 00:48:54,101
- I mean, really, first of all, he messes…
- [Lily] I see him very seldom.

1028
00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:56,395
- Once or twice on the weekend.
- Yes, about that…

1029
00:48:56,478 --> 00:48:57,980
- [Jerry laughs]
- I meant to speak to you.

1030
00:48:58,063 --> 00:48:59,439
[Ben] I just wonder sometimes,

1031
00:48:59,523 --> 00:49:01,859
what kind of toll that took
on their actual relationship.

1032
00:49:01,942 --> 00:49:05,028
Derek, is everything okay?
I've been trying to reach you for a week.

1033
00:49:05,112 --> 00:49:06,113
A week?

1034
00:49:06,196 --> 00:49:10,909
[Ben] I think in our relationship, I feel
like that's what you were feeling from me.

1035
00:49:10,993 --> 00:49:14,204
When we got together
and then started working together,

1036
00:49:14,288 --> 00:49:15,747
in the beginning,

1037
00:49:15,831 --> 00:49:18,959
I had this natural aversion…

1038
00:49:19,585 --> 00:49:21,837
- [laughing] Yes.
- Did you feel that?

1039
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,214
I mean, I do feel like there was history.

1040
00:49:25,591 --> 00:49:28,969
And I think a lot of it
was your experience

1041
00:49:29,052 --> 00:49:32,973
of what that ultimately
meant for a relationship,

1042
00:49:33,056 --> 00:49:34,850
that it could put extra strain

1043
00:49:34,933 --> 00:49:38,395
when you're eating, sleeping,
breathing each other in that way.

1044
00:49:38,478 --> 00:49:40,689
[Derek] You understand the world
doesn't revolve around you…

1045
00:49:40,772 --> 00:49:41,607
[director] Good.

1046
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:46,028
[Christine] I also felt
like there was a fear for you, for me,

1047
00:49:46,111 --> 00:49:49,865
of, like, what that would
look like to the outside world.

1048
00:49:49,948 --> 00:49:51,825
- I mean, it was very loaded.
- Yeah.

1049
00:49:52,951 --> 00:49:58,165
[Ben] I was feeling, like, "Wait a minute,
I don't want to become my parents."

1050
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:05,172
[no audible dialogue]

1051
00:50:16,934 --> 00:50:18,685
This was my dad's room.

1052
00:50:20,687 --> 00:50:22,147
My mom's room is next door.

1053
00:50:22,231 --> 00:50:26,527
And… I don't know
when they started getting to the point

1054
00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:29,279
of having separate bedrooms, but they did.

1055
00:50:29,363 --> 00:50:33,075
Adjoining. A nice suite.
But I think that's how they wanted it.

1056
00:50:33,158 --> 00:50:35,118
Uh, they were married for 62 years.

1057
00:50:35,577 --> 00:50:36,870
What was their relationship?

1058
00:50:36,954 --> 00:50:40,457
What was their agreement with each other
that they were able to, you know,

1059
00:50:40,541 --> 00:50:42,251
make it work for that long?

1060
00:50:42,334 --> 00:50:44,586
I don't think of it
in terms of their closeness.

1061
00:50:44,670 --> 00:50:46,672
'Cause I feel like they were very close.

1062
00:50:47,881 --> 00:50:50,050
But they also
were very, very different, too.

1063
00:50:50,133 --> 00:50:51,969
My Margaret Mary's 15.

1064
00:50:52,052 --> 00:50:53,720
- She's no Einstein.
- Uh-huh.

1065
00:50:53,804 --> 00:50:56,306
She don't know the Hudson Tubes
from the fallopian tubes.

1066
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:58,392
- [audience laughs]
- I see. Well, Mrs. Mulcahy…

1067
00:50:58,475 --> 00:51:01,436
She's gonna be in a lot of trouble
if she tries to get to Jersey.

1068
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,564
- [audience laughs]
- Uh, Mrs. Mulcahy…

1069
00:51:03,647 --> 00:51:04,606
Do you feel that…

1070
00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:09,486
[Ben] When I look at them doing their act,
I see Dad working so hard.

1071
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:13,115
He's drilled it over and over again,
and he doesn't wanna screw it up.

1072
00:51:13,198 --> 00:51:16,076
And Mom just letting it flow.

1073
00:51:16,785 --> 00:51:18,120
I remember Mom going, like,

1074
00:51:18,203 --> 00:51:21,206
"Daddy stayed up 'til five in the morning
memorizing his lines."

1075
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:25,127
I mean, there's a perfectionism
that I think you and I have inherited.

1076
00:51:25,210 --> 00:51:27,004
Some of it's good…

1077
00:51:27,087 --> 00:51:28,839
- But some of it…
- [both laugh]

1078
00:51:28,922 --> 00:51:30,674
- Some of it's good.
- But some of it…

1079
00:51:30,757 --> 00:51:33,135
it takes away our enjoyment of things.

1080
00:51:33,218 --> 00:51:34,511
That's exactly right.

1081
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:37,806
[whispering]

1082
00:51:37,890 --> 00:51:40,350
- [Anne] Huh?
- [whispering]

1083
00:51:40,434 --> 00:51:46,398
[Ben] Jerry was very serious,
and he rehearsed morning, noon and night.

1084
00:51:46,982 --> 00:51:48,483
[Jerry] Good enough, got you.

1085
00:51:49,026 --> 00:51:50,360
[Anne laughs] Okay, Jerry.

1086
00:51:50,444 --> 00:51:53,280
[Amy] He would struggle
over every word, every sentence.

1087
00:51:53,363 --> 00:51:54,573
[Ben] Oh, yeah.

1088
00:51:54,656 --> 00:51:56,658
[chatter on set]

1089
00:51:58,911 --> 00:52:00,245
[whispers lines indistinctly]

1090
00:52:01,455 --> 00:52:05,125
[Jerry]

1091
00:52:06,793 --> 00:52:08,295
[Anne]

1092
00:52:08,378 --> 00:52:10,339
[Jerry]

1093
00:52:10,422 --> 00:52:13,800
[Anne]

1094
00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:19,056
[Jerry]

1095
00:52:19,515 --> 00:52:20,891
[Anne]

1096
00:52:20,974 --> 00:52:21,934
[Jerry]

1097
00:52:24,603 --> 00:52:27,189
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

1098
00:52:27,272 --> 00:52:29,107
[Anne]

1099
00:52:34,947 --> 00:52:37,991
[Ben] He definitely had the work ethic,
and I think that kept him…

1100
00:52:38,075 --> 00:52:39,535
That's how he got to where he got to

1101
00:52:39,618 --> 00:52:43,455
but it was impossible
for him to… let go.

1102
00:52:43,539 --> 00:52:48,043
[Anne]

1103
00:52:48,126 --> 00:52:49,878
[Jerry]

1104
00:52:49,962 --> 00:52:53,590
[Anne]

1105
00:52:58,262 --> 00:53:03,016
[Jerry]

1106
00:53:06,395 --> 00:53:08,230
[Anne]

1107
00:53:11,817 --> 00:53:13,986
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

1108
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:16,113
[Jerry clears his throat]

1109
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:20,409
[Anne]

1110
00:53:20,492 --> 00:53:22,578
Well, you do a lot
of strange things, honey.

1111
00:53:22,661 --> 00:53:24,121
- [audience laughs]
- I do.

1112
00:53:24,204 --> 00:53:25,038
You sure do.

1113
00:53:25,122 --> 00:53:28,208
- You do some strange things, too.
- There's no need to get personal.

1114
00:53:28,292 --> 00:53:31,545
Well, why would I want starch
in a collar that says, "Do not starch."?

1115
00:53:31,628 --> 00:53:34,006
- To keep your chin up.
- [audience laughs]

1116
00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:36,466
- You got a weak chin.
- I have a weak chin, huh?

1117
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:39,136
- So does your mother.
- [audience laughs]

1118
00:53:39,219 --> 00:53:42,347
[Amy] Where would Mom be
without Dad, in a way, you know?

1119
00:53:42,431 --> 00:53:44,600
[Ben] I look at it
"Where would Dad be without Mom?"

1120
00:53:45,392 --> 00:53:49,229
I don't know if Dad would have had
a career in comedy without Mom.

1121
00:53:50,314 --> 00:53:54,193
He was so committed to her,
in that he needed to…

1122
00:53:55,068 --> 00:53:57,779
it to work with her.
I think he loved her very much.

1123
00:53:59,156 --> 00:54:02,743
He wasn't willing to risk
maybe losing her,

1124
00:54:02,826 --> 00:54:08,498
or risk her not being there
for them and for their act.

1125
00:54:10,834 --> 00:54:12,628
[Anne]

1126
00:54:14,421 --> 00:54:15,756
[Jerry]

1127
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,217
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

1128
00:54:30,979 --> 00:54:35,400
[Anne]

1129
00:54:48,247 --> 00:54:50,332
[Jerry]

1130
00:54:50,415 --> 00:54:53,085
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

1131
00:54:57,673 --> 00:54:58,590
[Anne]

1132
00:54:58,674 --> 00:54:59,550
[Jerry]

1133
00:55:00,008 --> 00:55:02,678
[Anne]

1134
00:55:20,487 --> 00:55:23,282
[Ben] I always thought about my mom,

1135
00:55:23,365 --> 00:55:26,368
and how she really connected
with Christine.

1136
00:55:27,744 --> 00:55:29,955
I could, sort of,
hear my mom's voice in my head

1137
00:55:30,038 --> 00:55:33,417
when I was really focused
on the work too much.

1138
00:55:34,376 --> 00:55:35,919
I remember my mom telling me,

1139
00:55:36,003 --> 00:55:38,255
"You really need
to be there for your family."

1140
00:55:38,338 --> 00:55:41,675
[Christine in video] Well, eight pounds,
two ounces. That was a week earlier.

1141
00:55:41,758 --> 00:55:44,303
[Christine] I feel like
there was the period of time

1142
00:55:44,386 --> 00:55:46,972
where work was a really big priority.

1143
00:55:47,055 --> 00:55:53,395
And, you know, as we talk about this I now
see that… that parallel with your dad.

1144
00:55:53,478 --> 00:55:55,898
That when you put
really good work out there

1145
00:55:55,981 --> 00:56:00,110
you would still just see
the one thing that didn't work.

1146
00:56:00,194 --> 00:56:03,530
- [Ben] Right.
- The defeat. The, like, absolute defeat.

1147
00:56:04,489 --> 00:56:11,496
And the behind the scenes of how
we kind of navigate those waters for you

1148
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:16,919
did sort of become this family, like,
us saying "Okay, so what if?" You know?

1149
00:56:17,002 --> 00:56:19,546
Like, "If it doesn't do well,
la-da-da-da-da.

1150
00:56:19,630 --> 00:56:21,423
- If it does do well…" you know?
- Yeah.

1151
00:56:21,507 --> 00:56:23,550
And I think… I mean, you know…

1152
00:56:23,634 --> 00:56:25,761
- I think the word is…
- This sucks. [chuckles]

1153
00:56:25,844 --> 00:56:27,387
Yeah, it's also, you know,

1154
00:56:27,471 --> 00:56:31,767
it's like, "Don't try to pretend
that it's not affecting you,

1155
00:56:31,850 --> 00:56:34,144
- just be able to voice it."
- Right.

1156
00:56:34,770 --> 00:56:36,396
You know, for better or worse.

1157
00:56:38,106 --> 00:56:39,066
[background chatter]

1158
00:56:39,149 --> 00:56:42,486
[Christine] I remember Anne
would pull me aside and she's like,

1159
00:56:42,569 --> 00:56:44,363
- "You take care of you."
- [Ben laughs]

1160
00:56:44,446 --> 00:56:45,906
- Like, she had my back.
- Yeah.

1161
00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:47,908
[laughing] And you were her son.

1162
00:56:50,744 --> 00:56:52,204
[Jerry]

1163
00:56:53,914 --> 00:56:57,668
[Anne]

1164
00:56:58,460 --> 00:57:00,420
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

1165
00:57:00,504 --> 00:57:02,422
- [Jerry]
- [Anne] Yeah.

1166
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:05,592
- That's all.
- [Jerry]

1167
00:57:07,553 --> 00:57:09,972
- [Anne grunts]
- [Jerry]

1168
00:57:10,055 --> 00:57:12,057
[Anne]

1169
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:19,731
[Ben] I keep coming up against,
you know, "You're your parents' son."

1170
00:57:19,815 --> 00:57:21,567
And when you become a parent

1171
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:25,112
you think you're gonna
not make the mistakes your parents made.

1172
00:57:25,195 --> 00:57:27,489
- And you end up…
- [Quin] You always fall into doing them.

1173
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:31,076
…making different mistakes,
or some of the same mistakes.

1174
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,662
[background chatter]

1175
00:57:33,745 --> 00:57:35,831
[Ben] Ella recently said to me,

1176
00:57:35,914 --> 00:57:39,376
"I literally can't ever remember
you being around when I was growing up."

1177
00:57:39,459 --> 00:57:41,044
- Yeah.
- [Ben laughs]

1178
00:57:41,128 --> 00:57:44,965
Let's get to what you've been doing
over this past week.

1179
00:57:45,048 --> 00:57:48,427
Well, I've just been working a lot.
You know, my family was in LA,

1180
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:50,679
so I've just been
really working full time.

1181
00:57:50,762 --> 00:57:53,265
I only had one day off this week. Uh…

1182
00:57:53,348 --> 00:57:56,185
- So, yeah…
- Aww. Well…

1183
00:57:56,268 --> 00:57:59,229
But for all the mistakes I made
as a parent… Yes, I have made a couple.

1184
00:57:59,313 --> 00:58:00,772
[both laugh]

1185
00:58:00,856 --> 00:58:02,357
I know it's shocking to you.

1186
00:58:02,441 --> 00:58:06,403
And also… yeah, I was, uh, cut. [laughs]

1187
00:58:07,529 --> 00:58:10,365
I cut you out of
Secret Life of Walter Mitty.

1188
00:58:10,449 --> 00:58:12,701
It's probably the worst decision
I've ever made in my life.

1189
00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:16,413
- What?
- You look cute in your outfit.

1190
00:58:16,914 --> 00:58:18,081
This is for… I work.

1191
00:58:18,165 --> 00:58:21,210
- It's not all about you, Walter.
- What?

1192
00:58:21,293 --> 00:58:23,128
- [Ben] Aww, you're so cute.
- I was really scared.

1193
00:58:23,212 --> 00:58:27,799
I remember I was really, really scared.
It didn't make sense in the movie.

1194
00:58:27,883 --> 00:58:34,056
No, no, I… What it relates to is my own
issues with my own obsession with my work,

1195
00:58:34,139 --> 00:58:36,850
- or "perfectionism".
- Yeah.

1196
00:58:37,809 --> 00:58:39,478
[Ben] Does that resonate with you?

1197
00:58:39,561 --> 00:58:41,855
- Maybe. Yeah, I would think so.
- With me? [laughs]

1198
00:58:41,939 --> 00:58:45,150
[Quin] I think, there's things, you know,
after a tough day,

1199
00:58:45,234 --> 00:58:47,110
you know, or something was going wrong,

1200
00:58:47,194 --> 00:58:50,989
you can get very much in your own head.
You know what I mean?

1201
00:58:51,073 --> 00:58:54,826
And I think, once you kind of go
into that place…

1202
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:56,161
hard to get you out of it.

1203
00:58:56,245 --> 00:59:00,582
So that would, kind of, put a damper
on the… you know, fun part

1204
00:59:00,666 --> 00:59:02,668
about being on vacation.
You know what I mean?

1205
00:59:02,751 --> 00:59:05,462
You have all these hats
that you're trying to balance, you know?

1206
00:59:05,546 --> 00:59:08,757
Being a director, an actor, you know,
a producer, writer.

1207
00:59:08,841 --> 00:59:11,051
But also just, like, a father. Right?

1208
00:59:11,552 --> 00:59:18,141
Um, and sometimes I felt that that
would come last to these other things.

1209
00:59:22,521 --> 00:59:23,897
[Ben] There was this one time

1210
00:59:23,981 --> 00:59:26,525
I was sitting in the kitchen
with Quin when he was little,

1211
00:59:26,608 --> 00:59:29,278
and telling him I was gonna do
Night at the Museum 3,

1212
00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:31,738
and I had to go to Canada
for a few months.

1213
00:59:32,573 --> 00:59:35,367
I just saw his face sort of drop
and he said,

1214
00:59:35,951 --> 00:59:37,953
"I wish you could stay home."

1215
00:59:38,787 --> 00:59:41,123
And I remember
pathetically sort of saying,

1216
00:59:41,206 --> 00:59:44,918
"But you love Night at the Museum."
[laughs] But it didn't matter to him.

1217
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:47,546
[no audio in footage]

1218
00:59:47,629 --> 00:59:50,841
[Ben] The irony is I thought I was doing
so much better than my parents

1219
00:59:51,884 --> 00:59:55,345
I thought I was pulling it off.
I was flying home on the weekends,

1220
00:59:55,429 --> 00:59:59,516
and having special places for the kids
to play when they come visit the set.

1221
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,729
But, in reality,
and just hearing them talk about it,

1222
01:00:03,812 --> 01:00:08,859
you know, for them, it was the same thing
I was going through as a kid.

1223
01:00:08,942 --> 01:00:11,945
And I just couldn't see that
at all at the time.

1224
01:00:15,782 --> 01:00:17,951
- When we separated…
- [Christine] Right.

1225
01:00:18,035 --> 01:00:22,456
My feeling was, "Oh, I'm failing at this."
And, like, "Look at my parents."

1226
01:00:23,207 --> 01:00:26,793
They have this incredible
50-plus-year marriage.

1227
01:00:26,877 --> 01:00:30,464
- Yeah.
- And I can't, you know, live up to that.

1228
01:00:33,842 --> 01:00:36,929
[Anne] It's not so easy being married
to you. You know what I mean?

1229
01:00:37,012 --> 01:00:38,722
- Do you love me?
- What?

1230
01:00:38,805 --> 01:00:41,391
- Do you love me?
- [romantic orchestral music starts]

1231
01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:44,353
♪ Do you love me? ♪

1232
01:00:45,312 --> 01:00:46,688
Do I what?

1233
01:00:47,648 --> 01:00:50,359
♪ Do you love me? ♪

1234
01:00:50,943 --> 01:00:53,820
♪ Do I love you? ♪

1235
01:00:53,904 --> 01:00:59,576
♪ With our children growing older
And your mother back in town ♪

1236
01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:05,290
♪ You're upset, you want out
Go inside, go lie down… ♪

1237
01:01:05,374 --> 01:01:07,918
[Anne] The nightclubs drove me meshuggah.

1238
01:01:08,001 --> 01:01:09,920
That need to go out there,

1239
01:01:10,003 --> 01:01:12,756
and just be hilarious every minute,
two shows a night.

1240
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,592
[slurring] In front of a lot of people
who didn't care who I was.

1241
01:01:15,676 --> 01:01:16,802
[normal voice] You know?

1242
01:01:16,885 --> 01:01:21,515
I… I said, "Jerry, I don't know where
the act ends and the marriage begins."

1243
01:01:21,598 --> 01:01:23,267
[Jerry] ♪ I'm asking you a question… ♪

1244
01:01:23,350 --> 01:01:28,564
[Guare] The entity of Stiller and Meara
had… become oppressive to them.

1245
01:01:29,565 --> 01:01:31,316
I think they felt trapped by it.

1246
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,402
[song continues faintly]

1247
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:37,322
[Jerry] My wife, Annie,
in addition to being a comedian,

1248
01:01:37,406 --> 01:01:39,241
is also a dramatic actress.

1249
01:01:39,324 --> 01:01:41,910
But no one knew it
when we were comedians.

1250
01:01:41,994 --> 01:01:43,996
And this is something she always wanted.

1251
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:48,083
Now, as comedians, you couldn't project
two images at the same time.

1252
01:01:48,166 --> 01:01:50,043
One day she said,
"I wanna do this kind of thing.

1253
01:01:50,127 --> 01:01:52,796
I want it to happen this way."
And I said, "I'm gonna let you do it."

1254
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,008
♪ After quite a few years ♪

1255
01:01:59,011 --> 01:02:04,725
♪ It's nice to know ♪

1256
01:02:04,808 --> 01:02:07,895
- [audience claps]
- [orchestra ends with a flourish]

1257
01:02:07,978 --> 01:02:09,354
[mouthing] I love you.

1258
01:02:09,688 --> 01:02:11,690
[Jerry] We had to stop doing this act.

1259
01:02:12,399 --> 01:02:16,653
Which was a… a risk because
we were starting to, in a way, take off.

1260
01:02:19,406 --> 01:02:21,200
I'm finished with the follies,

1261
01:02:21,825 --> 01:02:24,328
and the vanities
and the scandals. All of them.

1262
01:02:25,204 --> 01:02:29,249
[scoffs] God, the years I wasted
with that cheap stuff.

1263
01:02:36,507 --> 01:02:39,259
[Guare] I'd written the play,
The House of Blue Leaves.

1264
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,472
There was this character, Bunny,
the hero's girlfriend.

1265
01:02:43,555 --> 01:02:47,100
And we saw everybody for the part.

1266
01:02:47,184 --> 01:02:49,895
And one day
the producer called me and he said,

1267
01:02:49,978 --> 01:02:53,357
"I'm having lunch in The Russian Tea Room,
and I've just seen Bunny.

1268
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,609
She's at the next table
and I'm listening to her.

1269
01:02:55,692 --> 01:02:57,110
It's Anne Meara."

1270
01:02:58,153 --> 01:03:00,948
And I said, "But does she work
with Stiller and Meara?

1271
01:03:01,031 --> 01:03:04,284
Does she work alone?" He said,
"Well there's only one way to find out."

1272
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,790
When I met Anne,
I was thrilled to know, my God,

1273
01:03:09,873 --> 01:03:12,334
that she'd been in the original
Ulysses in Nighttown

1274
01:03:12,417 --> 01:03:14,628
and, you know, was a serious actor.

1275
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:19,341
Her agent did not want her
to do a play off Broadway.

1276
01:03:19,716 --> 01:03:22,302
At that point,
off-Broadway was not prestigious,

1277
01:03:22,386 --> 01:03:24,805
it was really an alternate theater.

1278
01:03:26,056 --> 01:03:29,726
Her agent felt
it would be damaging to her career.

1279
01:03:31,562 --> 01:03:34,857
She didn't care, and she signed on.

1280
01:03:39,152 --> 01:03:41,572
And there's one thing I hope you can find,

1281
01:03:41,655 --> 01:03:44,324
where Anne brought
her little boy. [chuckles]

1282
01:03:44,408 --> 01:03:45,659
- Ben.
- [Ben laughs]

1283
01:03:46,076 --> 01:03:48,620
[no audio in footage]

1284
01:03:48,704 --> 01:03:50,706
[Guare] We're standing in front
of the Truck and Warehouse Theater.

1285
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:53,834
You're holding a copy of my script,
and you're going through it,

1286
01:03:53,917 --> 01:03:56,420
- making changes, ripping out pages…
- [Ben laughs]

1287
01:03:56,503 --> 01:03:59,882
And I'm bowing and scraping, "Yes,
thank you, thank you, Mr. Stiller."

1288
01:03:59,965 --> 01:04:01,049
Yes.

1289
01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:03,427
[no audio in footage]

1290
01:04:03,844 --> 01:04:08,265
[Ben] What I think is amazing, is that
after doing the comedy for so many years,

1291
01:04:08,348 --> 01:04:11,310
she was able to transition
into serious roles.

1292
01:04:11,393 --> 01:04:13,145
Plays by Eugene O'Neill

1293
01:04:13,228 --> 01:04:15,981
and Richard Greenberg
and respected playwrights.

1294
01:04:18,358 --> 01:04:20,152
[Jerry] The fact that Annie's doing this

1295
01:04:20,235 --> 01:04:24,573
makes me feel very, very important,
and part of a dream that's coming true.

1296
01:04:28,994 --> 01:04:33,081
[host] How do you make the marriage
survive, in terms of domestic competition?

1297
01:04:33,165 --> 01:04:34,541
I mean, you're all actors.

1298
01:04:34,625 --> 01:04:36,502
There's a natural competitiveness,
I would think,

1299
01:04:36,585 --> 01:04:37,628
between a husband and a wife.

1300
01:04:37,711 --> 01:04:40,464
Well, in our case,
Annie is doing all the work right now

1301
01:04:40,547 --> 01:04:42,799
in terms of, uh, appearances.

1302
01:04:42,883 --> 01:04:44,843
She is in a play
called The House of Blue Leaves,

1303
01:04:44,927 --> 01:04:47,721
which keeps her going, uh, constantly…

1304
01:04:47,804 --> 01:04:49,848
[Ben] I think the prospect
of working alone

1305
01:04:49,932 --> 01:04:51,266
was something he both wanted,

1306
01:04:51,350 --> 01:04:54,102
but was also probably
pretty daunting after having success,

1307
01:04:54,186 --> 01:04:56,939
to think about
if he could do it on his own.

1308
01:05:03,403 --> 01:05:08,242
The thing that people don't realize
is my dad was a very spiritual person.

1309
01:05:09,034 --> 01:05:11,161
There was, like, an energy with him.

1310
01:05:11,245 --> 01:05:13,580
If you had, like, hurt your elbow
or something

1311
01:05:13,664 --> 01:05:17,751
he would, like, just put some energy
on it for you. Things like that.

1312
01:05:19,378 --> 01:05:21,505
He just was a very deep person.

1313
01:05:23,715 --> 01:05:26,009
He had a real belief in himself.

1314
01:05:29,054 --> 01:05:33,100
I remember there was a time when
we all went on vacation to Spain and…

1315
01:05:34,518 --> 01:05:37,479
they invited people to come down.
It was a bloodless bull fight.

1316
01:05:39,147 --> 01:05:41,400
And he got in the ring with a bull.

1317
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:46,238
He… did that.

1318
01:05:49,116 --> 01:05:50,200
He had something in him

1319
01:05:50,284 --> 01:05:53,287
where he was willing
to jump in the ring and go for it.

1320
01:05:55,163 --> 01:06:00,836
I feel like I'm always trying
to live up to the type of person he was.

1321
01:06:01,170 --> 01:06:04,131
[Christopher Walken] Look, your father
was a kind of a saint, you know?

1322
01:06:04,214 --> 01:06:08,177
There was something about him
that's nine years old.

1323
01:06:09,511 --> 01:06:10,721
- Yeah.
- You know?

1324
01:06:11,305 --> 01:06:13,140
- Stays there.
- Yeah.

1325
01:06:13,223 --> 01:06:16,476
- Here's a note from your dad.
- Oh, wow.

1326
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,563
"Dear Chris,
Your mirror note is on my mirror.

1327
01:06:19,646 --> 01:06:20,772
Keep on breaking wind

1328
01:06:20,856 --> 01:06:23,650
through those fine Harrod silky shorts."

1329
01:06:23,734 --> 01:06:25,277
- Yeah.
- [Ben laughs]

1330
01:06:25,861 --> 01:06:28,363
This is amazing, actually, all this stuff.

1331
01:06:28,780 --> 01:06:30,324
Yep. Hurlyburly.

1332
01:06:30,407 --> 01:06:32,534
I mean, I remember this play so well

1333
01:06:32,618 --> 01:06:36,413
'cause you guys did this,
Mike Nichols directed it.

1334
01:06:36,496 --> 01:06:39,666
Did you-- Is that where you guys,
kind of, became close, you and Jerry?

1335
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:42,836
No, I knew Jerry from way before that.

1336
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,254
- 60 years ago.
- [Ben] Right.

1337
01:06:44,338 --> 01:06:47,424
[Walken] Joe Papp was starting
the Delacorte Theater.

1338
01:06:47,508 --> 01:06:51,803
- [Ben] Shakespeare in the Park.
- Yeah. And Jerry did shows for him.

1339
01:06:51,887 --> 01:06:53,597
- [Ben] Yeah.
- And maybe Anne, too.

1340
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,642
- [Ben] Early on, yeah.
- And that's when I met them.

1341
01:06:57,226 --> 01:06:59,603
Your mom, kind of, scared me a little bit.

1342
01:06:59,686 --> 01:07:00,729
Yeah.

1343
01:07:00,812 --> 01:07:02,356
She… Your mom would look at me

1344
01:07:02,439 --> 01:07:05,609
and I knew that,
you know, she had my number.

1345
01:07:05,692 --> 01:07:07,486
[Ben laughs]

1346
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:10,072
- [Walken] No?
- Yeah.

1347
01:07:10,155 --> 01:07:13,408
[Walken] She'd look at me and I could
tell, "She knows you're up to no good."

1348
01:07:13,492 --> 01:07:14,701
- [laughs]
- Yeah.

1349
01:07:14,785 --> 01:07:16,620
But also, I worked with Jerry.

1350
01:07:16,703 --> 01:07:20,415
And when you work with people,
it's a very intimate thing.

1351
01:07:20,499 --> 01:07:21,333
[Ben] Right.

1352
01:07:21,416 --> 01:07:24,711
[Walken] I think of it, like,
in the circus, the trapeze thing.

1353
01:07:24,795 --> 01:07:27,047
You know, where you do the flip,

1354
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:30,008
and you gotta be sure
that somebody's hands are there.

1355
01:07:30,092 --> 01:07:32,386
You know, that you can catch them.

1356
01:07:32,469 --> 01:07:35,848
Jerry was like that,
he was, like, really solid.

1357
01:07:36,473 --> 01:07:37,391
What's up, Z?

1358
01:07:38,267 --> 01:07:41,144
- You won't believe it.
- You know me, I'll believe anything.

1359
01:07:41,228 --> 01:07:42,604
A train's been hijacked.

1360
01:07:44,731 --> 01:07:45,566
I don't believe it.

1361
01:07:46,066 --> 01:07:47,401
[Jerry] I did a movie.

1362
01:07:47,484 --> 01:07:50,612
I was asked to do a movie
called Taking of Pelham One Two Three.

1363
01:07:50,696 --> 01:07:52,155
[Quin] Such a great film.

1364
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:54,408
This is Pelham. What happened to Garber?

1365
01:07:55,284 --> 01:07:56,660
Even great men have to pee.

1366
01:07:57,661 --> 01:08:00,038
I just like the way
that it excites us all, you know?

1367
01:08:00,122 --> 01:08:02,624
You know, and I can tell
that it excites you, too.

1368
01:08:02,708 --> 01:08:05,002
- 'Cause you got to be…
- [Ben] Yeah, I got to be…

1369
01:08:05,085 --> 01:08:07,045
[Quin] …in the back of a car
for one of the scenes.

1370
01:08:07,129 --> 01:08:08,630
Transit authority.

1371
01:08:09,423 --> 01:08:10,465
Still gotta pay.

1372
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:11,967
[Ben] When they're shooting this scene,

1373
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,761
I'm there the whole time
in the back seat of the car.

1374
01:08:14,845 --> 01:08:17,264
It was the first movie set
that I was ever on.

1375
01:08:17,346 --> 01:08:20,392
Hey, can you account
for your whereabouts today, Mr. Latimer.

1376
01:08:20,475 --> 01:08:23,103
Do you remember, shooting that,
thinking, "This is so cool.

1377
01:08:23,187 --> 01:08:25,189
My dad's play--, you know,
with Walter Matthau."

1378
01:08:25,272 --> 01:08:28,108
Something clicked inside of me, like,
this is the kinda thing I wanna do.

1379
01:08:28,192 --> 01:08:30,903
- You sure?
- Sure? Ask anybody.

1380
01:08:30,986 --> 01:08:33,363
It's like one of the classic endings
of a movie.

1381
01:08:33,447 --> 01:08:36,617
Sorry if we bothered you, Mr. Longman.
Come on, Rico.

1382
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:39,243
He sneezes.
Cuts to the door, the door opens

1383
01:08:39,328 --> 01:08:41,997
and then Walter Matthau
sticks his head in like that.

1384
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,497
[door squeaks]

1385
01:08:43,582 --> 01:08:46,335
Then, just, the music comes in.
Da-da-da…

1386
01:08:46,417 --> 01:08:50,087
["End Title" from The Taking of Pelham
One Two Three by David Shire playing]

1387
01:08:55,844 --> 01:08:57,386
[Anne] If the need arose,

1388
01:08:58,055 --> 01:09:01,183
uh, I think we'd play a club tomorrow.
If the need arose.

1389
01:09:01,265 --> 01:09:04,353
But I enjoy much more, and I think you do…

1390
01:09:04,435 --> 01:09:05,645
Tell me to shut up if you want.

1391
01:09:05,729 --> 01:09:07,689
- Shut up, Anne. Let me tell you about us.
- Okay.

1392
01:09:07,773 --> 01:09:09,608
- [host] Do you agree with her?
- I love it when he's masterful.

1393
01:09:09,691 --> 01:09:12,861
["End Title" continues playing]

1394
01:09:12,944 --> 01:09:15,822
[young Ben] Here at the Paramount Theater,
plays The Ritz,

1395
01:09:15,906 --> 01:09:19,158
starring Rita Moreno and Jerry Stiller.

1396
01:09:19,243 --> 01:09:20,743
[Merv Griffin] What's his hit? The Ritz.

1397
01:09:20,827 --> 01:09:22,828
[Anne] Yeah. Oh, listen folks,
if you get to New York

1398
01:09:22,912 --> 01:09:25,374
you gotta see my husband
'cause he's terrific.

1399
01:09:25,457 --> 01:09:28,502
And Jack Weston and Rita Moreno
are also starring in the show,

1400
01:09:28,585 --> 01:09:29,419
it's called The Ritz.

1401
01:09:29,502 --> 01:09:30,462
What's it about?

1402
01:09:30,546 --> 01:09:33,298
Well, it takes place in a gay steam bath.

1403
01:09:33,381 --> 01:09:34,966
[audience laughs]

1404
01:09:36,134 --> 01:09:37,636
And it's funny.

1405
01:09:37,719 --> 01:09:39,054
["End Title" continues playing]

1406
01:09:39,136 --> 01:09:42,390
[Ben] It was when they were
at the height of their popularity,

1407
01:09:42,474 --> 01:09:45,769
in terms of what they were getting offered
and what they were developing.

1408
01:09:45,853 --> 01:09:47,895
That's the Airport '75 script.

1409
01:09:47,979 --> 01:09:50,482
♪ California, here I come ♪

1410
01:09:50,566 --> 01:09:54,611
[Ben] I actually made Airport '76,
which was a remake of Airport '75

1411
01:09:54,695 --> 01:09:58,907
starring Amy and Libra Max, Adam's sister
and Halle Michaels from downstairs.

1412
01:09:58,991 --> 01:10:01,910
This is it. Count your beads, folks.

1413
01:10:01,994 --> 01:10:04,580
- ["End Title" continues playing]
- [airplane engines roar]

1414
01:10:06,498 --> 01:10:08,625
- [screaming]
- [laughter]

1415
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:11,420
[panicked shouting]

1416
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,340
[Jerry] We are getting further
into this idea of separation.

1417
01:10:15,424 --> 01:10:16,842
There's a certain element

1418
01:10:16,925 --> 01:10:20,721
of being away from each other
and being together that's very good.

1419
01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:23,473
Have you seen each other a lot lately?

1420
01:10:23,557 --> 01:10:28,937
Well, we haven't but, uh, I enjoy working
and I enjoy seeing him work.

1421
01:10:29,021 --> 01:10:30,147
The reunions are great.

1422
01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:32,566
[young Ben]

1423
01:10:37,029 --> 01:10:38,405
[Ben] We moved out to California.

1424
01:10:38,822 --> 01:10:41,700
We were living at an apartment
called The Westview Tower.

1425
01:10:42,409 --> 01:10:43,952
Just south of Sunset.

1426
01:10:44,912 --> 01:10:46,622
We were going to Disneyland

1427
01:10:46,705 --> 01:10:49,416
and Knott's Berry Farm,
and Universal Studios for the tour.

1428
01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,920
On the set,
watching them film my mom's show.

1429
01:10:53,003 --> 01:10:55,547
[host] Joining me is my special guest,
Annie Meara.

1430
01:10:55,631 --> 01:10:58,258
Anne is starring
in a special CBS world premiere

1431
01:10:58,342 --> 01:10:59,968
called Kate McShane.

1432
01:11:00,052 --> 01:11:03,055
- [Anne] Thank you so much.
- And Anne is going to be serious.

1433
01:11:03,138 --> 01:11:05,057
- [Anne] Yes.
- Kate McShane's a serious person.

1434
01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:07,601
- That's right, she's a lawyer
- No fooling around.

1435
01:11:08,101 --> 01:11:10,437
- How do I look? Okay?
- You look nervous.

1436
01:11:10,521 --> 01:11:12,189
Oh, some pal you are.

1437
01:11:12,272 --> 01:11:15,067
Don't hit that kid in cold blood,
only in the heat of anger.

1438
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:17,152
I'm sorry, kid. I'm sorry.

1439
01:11:17,236 --> 01:11:21,323
[Ben] First thing I did
which was in my mom's TV show,

1440
01:11:21,406 --> 01:11:25,118
they gave me the part
of the son of a client of hers.

1441
01:11:25,202 --> 01:11:28,038
It was in Paramount Studios
and I was waiting to go on,

1442
01:11:28,121 --> 01:11:31,124
and there was a red light
called a cue light.

1443
01:11:31,208 --> 01:11:33,293
They said,
"When the light goes on you come out."

1444
01:11:33,377 --> 01:11:35,295
And I was so nervous coming out.

1445
01:11:35,379 --> 01:11:36,672
I know that.

1446
01:11:36,755 --> 01:11:38,590
You were more brave than me.

1447
01:11:38,674 --> 01:11:41,593
Well, you did Lovers and Other Strangers,
when you were eight.

1448
01:11:41,677 --> 01:11:43,887
[Amy] I know, but you can tell
I'm scared out of my mind.

1449
01:11:43,971 --> 01:11:48,517
And it's hysterical, I'm singing off-key,
and Cloris Leachman chimes in to help.

1450
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,730
[singing off-key] ♪ I love you truly ♪

1451
01:11:53,814 --> 01:11:57,025
[both] ♪ Truly dear ♪

1452
01:11:57,109 --> 01:12:00,445
- She did sing off-key, and…
- She did not sing off-key.

1453
01:12:00,529 --> 01:12:02,656
- The child was beautiful.
- [audience laughs]

1454
01:12:02,739 --> 01:12:04,992
Never saw such a beautiful… Amy Stiller.

1455
01:12:05,075 --> 01:12:08,287
And Benjy's a wonderful kid, too.
Just in case he's watching.

1456
01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:09,955
- [scattered laughter]
- Does he sing?

1457
01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:12,416
No, but he does the spoons.

1458
01:12:12,499 --> 01:12:13,917
[laughter]

1459
01:12:14,001 --> 01:12:16,170
This is the part
of the documentary where we edit

1460
01:12:16,253 --> 01:12:20,591
and we cut to
us on The Mike Douglas Show, 1974.

1461
01:12:20,674 --> 01:12:24,136
Now just relax. Remember there's just
30 million people watching.

1462
01:12:24,219 --> 01:12:25,846
[Mike and audience laugh]

1463
01:12:25,929 --> 01:12:27,931
[Ben] I remember
the lights being really bright.

1464
01:12:28,015 --> 01:12:32,186
Not wanting to screw up.
And not realizing how bad we sounded,

1465
01:12:32,269 --> 01:12:33,729
- I don't think.
- Yeah.

1466
01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:37,441
[scratchily playing "Chopsticks"]

1467
01:12:44,281 --> 01:12:47,075
[labored playing continues]

1468
01:12:57,294 --> 01:12:58,712
[young Ben and Amy finish]

1469
01:12:58,795 --> 01:13:00,797
[audience applauds and cheers]

1470
01:13:01,548 --> 01:13:03,050
Bravo! Bravo!

1471
01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:04,885
[Amy scoffs]

1472
01:13:05,302 --> 01:13:06,678
- [ping]
- [host] Mr. Jerry Stiller

1473
01:13:06,762 --> 01:13:09,056
- and his wife Anne Meara.
- [audience applauds]

1474
01:13:09,139 --> 01:13:12,434
How's the show going? I know Anne
is shooting her new series for the fall.

1475
01:13:12,518 --> 01:13:13,810
And Jerry's got a show, too.

1476
01:13:13,894 --> 01:13:16,104
- [Anne] Joe and Sons.
- Isn't that something?

1477
01:13:16,188 --> 01:13:18,732
- You guys both got a series this year.
- Yes. It's…

1478
01:13:18,815 --> 01:13:19,942
[audience applauds]

1479
01:13:20,025 --> 01:13:22,861
- CBS is keeping our marriage together.
- [audience laughs]

1480
01:13:22,945 --> 01:13:25,739
[Ben] If both of those shows
had been successful,

1481
01:13:25,822 --> 01:13:27,491
that would have changed
our life a lot.

1482
01:13:27,574 --> 01:13:30,536
They probably would have had to move
to LA or spend a lot of time there.

1483
01:13:30,619 --> 01:13:33,580
- What are you? A tree?
- I am the mighty oak.

1484
01:13:33,664 --> 01:13:34,498
[audience laughs]

1485
01:13:34,581 --> 01:13:36,083
- [Gene Shalit] Anne Meara.
- What?

1486
01:13:36,166 --> 01:13:39,169
Why don't you summarize
your feelings about 1975.

1487
01:13:39,962 --> 01:13:42,631
Uh, we had a very good year, Jerry and I.

1488
01:13:42,714 --> 01:13:44,675
- You mean emotionally?
- You mean you both got cancelled?

1489
01:13:44,758 --> 01:13:46,802
- That was good?
- Yeah, well we got to do it.

1490
01:13:46,885 --> 01:13:50,097
I mean, anyway. Yeah, we had two series
that went down the tubes

1491
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:53,225
But… What? You know?
I hate to be Pollyanna,

1492
01:13:53,308 --> 01:13:55,352
"Better to have done it,
than never have done it at all."

1493
01:13:55,435 --> 01:13:58,564
And, uh, we bought
some good Christmas presents this year.

1494
01:13:58,647 --> 01:14:00,941
Next year,
we don't promise the family nothing.

1495
01:14:01,024 --> 01:14:03,610
- Look at Dad. Look at Dad.
- Yeah, Dad's like, "Gene!"

1496
01:14:03,694 --> 01:14:06,154
- Dad wants to punch him in the face.
- Yeah.

1497
01:14:06,238 --> 01:14:07,155
[both laugh]

1498
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:11,159
[Ben] My mom wanted to be happy,
independent of performing.

1499
01:14:11,243 --> 01:14:14,079
And I think for my dad,
performing was so important to him,

1500
01:14:14,162 --> 01:14:16,832
- it was part of his happiness.
- [Quin] Right.

1501
01:14:16,915 --> 01:14:18,917
So they had that tension between them.

1502
01:14:19,001 --> 01:14:21,003
But they didn't talk to me about it.

1503
01:14:21,086 --> 01:14:24,590
You know, why would they lay
their career issues on us?

1504
01:14:24,673 --> 01:14:26,633
[Quin] But yet, you'd just be around it.

1505
01:14:26,717 --> 01:14:29,636
- And we would feel it. Yeah.
- That tension. Yeah.

1506
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,472
[Ben] Things were changing
in the business,

1507
01:14:32,556 --> 01:14:34,766
and it was kind of a tough time for them.

1508
01:14:39,104 --> 01:14:41,690
They were doing
guest spots on different shows.

1509
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:47,529
They had these moments
where they had some success

1510
01:14:47,613 --> 01:14:48,864
without each other.

1511
01:14:49,448 --> 01:14:52,743
They started to do
movie roles here and there.

1512
01:14:52,826 --> 01:14:55,245
It's the human tragicomedy, Tommy.

1513
01:14:55,329 --> 01:14:57,206
It's enough to make a stone cry!

1514
01:14:57,289 --> 01:14:58,999
[Ben] My mom
worked on Archie Bunker's Place.

1515
01:14:59,082 --> 01:15:01,835
She got two nominations
for Archie Bunker's Place.

1516
01:15:01,919 --> 01:15:04,755
Don't you kids
ever think of anyone but yourself?

1517
01:15:04,838 --> 01:15:08,091
[Ben] They were just trying
to find their way separately.

1518
01:15:11,553 --> 01:15:16,183
I think this period was harder for my dad
because he had such a need for approval.

1519
01:15:17,017 --> 01:15:19,353
And as obsessed as he was with the work,

1520
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:25,150
I realized, making all those mistakes
when I got older, with my kids,

1521
01:15:25,943 --> 01:15:29,905
um, that… you know, it's really hard.

1522
01:15:29,988 --> 01:15:31,990
It's really hard to…

1523
01:15:32,616 --> 01:15:35,118
balance that out.
And I made so many mistakes.

1524
01:15:35,202 --> 01:15:37,538
I think I made more mistakes
than my dad did.

1525
01:15:38,163 --> 01:15:39,289
Now you're talking.

1526
01:15:40,374 --> 01:15:42,125
That's a pretty nice suit you got there.

1527
01:15:42,668 --> 01:15:45,963
- My old man.
- Hey, he must be something special.

1528
01:15:46,296 --> 01:15:47,673
[Ben] When I think about it,

1529
01:15:47,756 --> 01:15:50,133
he'd be the one
who was there for us in moments of crisis.

1530
01:15:50,217 --> 01:15:53,971
When I was homesick at camp,
he came up and visited me.

1531
01:15:54,054 --> 01:15:56,557
Or when I took acid
when I was 16 and was freaked out,

1532
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,102
he was the one
who would meditate with me and…

1533
01:16:00,185 --> 01:16:03,355
I mean, my mom couldn't handle it.
She would, sort of, shut down.

1534
01:16:03,438 --> 01:16:07,401
But when he was there,
he could be very sensitive and paternal.

1535
01:16:08,652 --> 01:16:12,865
I think he really wanted to shelter us
from the pain that he felt.

1536
01:16:12,948 --> 01:16:15,200
[interviewer] Did you encourage Ben
to get into the business?

1537
01:16:15,284 --> 01:16:17,202
[Jerry] No, I thought it was
too tough a business.

1538
01:16:17,286 --> 01:16:20,455
I hated the idea of that, uh, rejection.

1539
01:16:20,539 --> 01:16:23,083
I didn't want that to go for Ben or Amy.

1540
01:16:23,166 --> 01:16:29,298
[Ben] He was the type of person
who could not help but try to help.

1541
01:16:29,381 --> 01:16:32,259
And he wouldn't tell me.
That drove me crazy.

1542
01:16:32,342 --> 01:16:35,721
He'd, like… Literally I would get
a bad review, once I started working,

1543
01:16:35,804 --> 01:16:38,140
and he would write a letter
to the reviewer…

1544
01:16:39,183 --> 01:16:41,059
[laughing] about how wrong he was.

1545
01:16:41,768 --> 01:16:46,523
[Amy] Dad had an overprotectiveness
that kind of… it stifled me.

1546
01:16:46,607 --> 01:16:49,443
[Ben] He would do stuff
'cause he didn't trust that we could…

1547
01:16:49,526 --> 01:16:50,903
[both] Do it on our own.

1548
01:16:50,986 --> 01:16:53,739
You have to make mistakes.
You have to… You have to fall.

1549
01:16:53,822 --> 01:16:56,116
And he didn't want that.
And then I think…

1550
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:59,328
I felt, like, um, paralyzed.

1551
01:17:00,746 --> 01:17:04,208
The thing is that you had something
that you could sink your teeth into.

1552
01:17:04,291 --> 01:17:08,045
I don't remember, for me, having anything
that I felt that way about.

1553
01:17:08,128 --> 01:17:11,924
I just felt intimidated and 'cause I was
the oldest, I had all this expectation.

1554
01:17:12,007 --> 01:17:14,593
- [Anne] Dead air, dead air!
- Nah, it's not dead air.

1555
01:17:16,094 --> 01:17:18,889
I'm just sick of it. I'm sick of Dad.
I'm sick of…

1556
01:17:20,474 --> 01:17:22,267
sick of everything. Leave…

1557
01:17:25,145 --> 01:17:27,231
These films tend to be negative.

1558
01:17:28,398 --> 01:17:30,651
[Amy] And it was a really tough time
for women.

1559
01:17:30,734 --> 01:17:32,819
[Ben] Yeah, and also we weren't anonymous.

1560
01:17:33,737 --> 01:17:36,657
So we couldn't really fail anonymously.

1561
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:38,659
[Amy] No, and I had a lot
of opportunities,

1562
01:17:38,742 --> 01:17:41,119
and I just didn't know
what to do with them.

1563
01:17:42,538 --> 01:17:43,705
I didn't know who I was.

1564
01:17:43,789 --> 01:17:46,375
You know, I look back on it
and it was so painful.

1565
01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:48,293
- And… I didn't…
- Yeah. Did you…?

1566
01:17:48,377 --> 01:17:49,670
What did you wanna do?

1567
01:17:49,753 --> 01:17:51,713
[Amy] Well [sighs]… I just want--

1568
01:17:51,797 --> 01:17:54,049
When I did the nurse
in Romeo and Juliet, I was, like,

1569
01:17:54,132 --> 01:17:56,218
"I just wanna make people laugh.
I just wanna do this."

1570
01:17:56,301 --> 01:17:59,054
That's why all those years, when I was
waitressing and you were getting famous,

1571
01:17:59,137 --> 01:18:01,473
do you know how fucking hard
that was for me?

1572
01:18:01,557 --> 01:18:04,852
I mean, some of it was character building.
But… to a point.

1573
01:18:07,771 --> 01:18:11,900
Obviously, like,
children of actors have their issues…

1574
01:18:11,984 --> 01:18:13,652
- [Ben] Right.
- …in life.

1575
01:18:14,027 --> 01:18:18,240
And even though, like, you are
the actor parent in this situation,

1576
01:18:18,323 --> 01:18:22,786
you're also someone I can relate to
as having had the actor parent.

1577
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:25,414
- Right. Yeah.
- Like, I can't relate to that with mom.

1578
01:18:25,497 --> 01:18:27,791
- Right. 'Cause she had--
- Well, she is an actor parent.

1579
01:18:27,875 --> 01:18:30,711
- She had normie parents.
- She-- Normie! [laughs]

1580
01:18:31,211 --> 01:18:32,838
[Ella laughing] That's horrible.

1581
01:18:37,676 --> 01:18:39,636
[TV host] They are the parents
of two children.

1582
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,848
And their marriage has been running
successfully for more than 21 years.

1583
01:18:42,931 --> 01:18:45,017
At least we hope… We told them
they couldn't get separated

1584
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,769
until after this show was on.
And then the repeat again.

1585
01:18:47,853 --> 01:18:49,479
After the repeat you can do
whatever you want.

1586
01:18:49,563 --> 01:18:51,940
- Then we can split into the sunset.
- Then you can split.

1587
01:18:52,024 --> 01:18:53,275
[Jerry] When we started

1588
01:18:53,358 --> 01:18:56,904
we felt that the success of the act
would make the marriage work.

1589
01:18:56,987 --> 01:18:59,114
Then something else happens.

1590
01:18:59,198 --> 01:19:02,826
- You have to have success in your life.
- [Anne] The pressure.

1591
01:19:02,910 --> 01:19:04,995
And if the success…

1592
01:19:05,078 --> 01:19:07,956
can get in the way
of that kind of marriage thing,

1593
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,166
that you want together,

1594
01:19:09,249 --> 01:19:11,418
then you have to be willing
to give something up.

1595
01:19:11,502 --> 01:19:14,254
You see, when you start
you don't know it's going to happen.

1596
01:19:14,338 --> 01:19:17,049
Let's say you start a marriage.
Do you know you're gonna last that long?

1597
01:19:17,132 --> 01:19:18,467
All the wrong reasons, didn't we?

1598
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:20,928
Right. And all of a sudden
you kind of grow up.

1599
01:19:21,011 --> 01:19:23,680
And what you're doing in your mind
is renegotiating the marriage

1600
01:19:23,764 --> 01:19:24,723
as you go along.

1601
01:19:27,226 --> 01:19:28,393
[Eaton] Their marriage…

1602
01:19:29,436 --> 01:19:30,812
they worked at it a lot.

1603
01:19:34,608 --> 01:19:36,735
They did individual therapy.

1604
01:19:37,402 --> 01:19:39,404
They did couples therapy.

1605
01:19:40,030 --> 01:19:43,033
They were going
two, three times a week, I think.

1606
01:19:43,909 --> 01:19:48,288
And they always went afterwards
for coffee and they would talk and bond.

1607
01:19:51,208 --> 01:19:53,627
[Jerry] What we learned
through the therapy, too,

1608
01:19:53,710 --> 01:19:57,047
was that our personal lives were
more important than the theater lives.

1609
01:19:57,130 --> 01:20:01,885
And I started to really
prick differently at our life.

1610
01:20:02,469 --> 01:20:05,305
[Ben] I think they let go
of a lot of that resentment.

1611
01:20:06,098 --> 01:20:09,560
I saw them just come closer together
and take care of each other.

1612
01:20:11,103 --> 01:20:14,314
Our television series were cancelled
but our marriage is alive.

1613
01:20:14,398 --> 01:20:15,399
[Anne] That's right.

1614
01:20:15,482 --> 01:20:17,943
Which is very difficult to do
in a business like this.

1615
01:20:18,026 --> 01:20:21,613
I really didn't know,
if by going out to California,

1616
01:20:21,697 --> 01:20:23,365
Anne and I would really be together

1617
01:20:23,448 --> 01:20:26,451
after doing these things separately
and together and what have you.

1618
01:20:26,535 --> 01:20:30,122
And I'm so glad that we've done this
and it really worked out.

1619
01:20:31,081 --> 01:20:33,458
- This is kinda cool. Can I read this?
- [Ben] Yeah.

1620
01:20:33,542 --> 01:20:35,544
They had a pilot, you know?

1621
01:20:36,253 --> 01:20:37,087
- And…
- Yeah.

1622
01:20:37,171 --> 01:20:40,299
So it said, "CBS
has announced their line-up…"

1623
01:20:40,382 --> 01:20:41,550
- Who…? Is this Dad?
- Yeah.

1624
01:20:41,633 --> 01:20:42,926
[audience laughs]

1625
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:46,555
Jerry, we don't have time for that now.

1626
01:20:46,638 --> 01:20:47,639
[audience laughs]

1627
01:20:47,723 --> 01:20:50,517
Time for what?
Happy anniversary, that's all.

1628
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,313
Oh, yeah. Happy anniversary.

1629
01:20:54,396 --> 01:20:57,482
[Amy] "I may need to back off
from speculating

1630
01:20:57,566 --> 01:20:59,443
as to whether the pilot
will be picked up.

1631
01:20:59,526 --> 01:21:05,741
Anne says, 'Don't spoil being together
by bringing up the pilot.'

1632
01:21:05,824 --> 01:21:09,077
I realize that this is what
has created the gap between us.

1633
01:21:09,161 --> 01:21:13,749
My desperate need to tie
what we do on stage

1634
01:21:13,832 --> 01:21:15,459
with when we're together.

1635
01:21:15,542 --> 01:21:20,631
My grasp for success,
my wanting it so desperately,

1636
01:21:20,714 --> 01:21:26,386
I've become aware of something within me
that tells me I'm okay more."

1637
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:28,305
[pages flicking]

1638
01:21:30,557 --> 01:21:33,519
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

1639
01:21:35,229 --> 01:21:36,605
[Jerry]

1640
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:52,955
- [Anne]
- [Jerry]

1641
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:58,335
[Anne]

1642
01:21:58,418 --> 01:21:59,503
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

1643
01:21:59,586 --> 01:22:03,257
- [Jerry]
- [Anne]

1644
01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:06,343
[shouting] No one tells Frank Costanza
what to do!

1645
01:22:06,426 --> 01:22:09,304
That's right! Who the hell are they?
How dare they?

1646
01:22:11,014 --> 01:22:12,474
Ow! Dad.

1647
01:22:12,558 --> 01:22:15,894
[Jerry] I was 65 years old,
not getting any work.

1648
01:22:15,978 --> 01:22:18,021
And I was left hanging.

1649
01:22:18,105 --> 01:22:20,524
I got the call from Larry David.

1650
01:22:20,607 --> 01:22:23,068
He said, "We want you to replace
the father in Seinfeld."

1651
01:22:23,151 --> 01:22:26,530
You know, I couldn't bring myself
to spend one of these.

1652
01:22:26,613 --> 01:22:29,283
I got some kind of a…

1653
01:22:29,366 --> 01:22:30,576
phobia!

1654
01:22:30,659 --> 01:22:31,743
[audience laughs]

1655
01:22:31,827 --> 01:22:35,080
Ridiculous? I'll show you ridiculous.
Give me!

1656
01:22:35,163 --> 01:22:39,168
I just feel like he had all of this stuff
inside of him, that kinda…

1657
01:22:39,251 --> 01:22:40,961
- It came out…
- It came out in Seinfeld.

1658
01:22:41,044 --> 01:22:44,131
When my blood pressure gets too high,
the man on the tape tells me to say,

1659
01:22:44,214 --> 01:22:45,674
[shouting] "Serenity now!"

1660
01:22:45,757 --> 01:22:48,010
I got in touch with what I call
my "inner rage".

1661
01:22:48,093 --> 01:22:49,469
- At least, that's what my…
- [host laughs]

1662
01:22:49,553 --> 01:22:51,054
That's what my wife
Anne Meara used to say.

1663
01:22:51,138 --> 01:22:54,308
We went… You wanna talk, Jerry?
I don't wanna interrupt you at any time.

1664
01:22:54,391 --> 01:22:57,352
If you feel the need to say something,
just let it out.

1665
01:22:57,436 --> 01:22:59,396
'Cause we're Mike's guests
on the show this week.

1666
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,273
- That's right--
- And I feel that as co-hosts,

1667
01:23:01,356 --> 01:23:03,275
we could contribute in some way.

1668
01:23:03,358 --> 01:23:05,944
[Ben] Him, you know,
letting out all of that steam

1669
01:23:06,028 --> 01:23:09,656
that was kept… tamped down in life.

1670
01:23:10,699 --> 01:23:14,745
That, partly might have been
where that character came out of.

1671
01:23:16,038 --> 01:23:18,290
[Jerry] Everybody, sing with me!

1672
01:23:18,373 --> 01:23:21,168
♪ Take me out to the ball… ♪

1673
01:23:21,251 --> 01:23:23,420
[Jerry] As much as you love
the theater

1674
01:23:23,504 --> 01:23:25,797
and as much as you
get out of an audience,

1675
01:23:25,881 --> 01:23:28,884
when you get on television,
the whole world sees you.

1676
01:23:28,967 --> 01:23:32,179
Which is wonderful for me, because
I always wanted to be loved by everybody.

1677
01:23:32,262 --> 01:23:33,096
[Anne laughs]

1678
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:35,349
- How are you?
- I watch your show. I like that.

1679
01:23:35,432 --> 01:23:39,061
- Jerry Stiller, right? How's Meara?
- [Jerry] Anne Meara is in good shape.

1680
01:23:40,646 --> 01:23:42,523
[Ben] I think when Seinfeld happened
for my dad,

1681
01:23:42,606 --> 01:23:44,900
my mom was able
to relax a little bit, too,

1682
01:23:44,983 --> 01:23:47,778
because she wasn't needed for his success.

1683
01:23:50,614 --> 01:23:52,533
That might have been a relief for her.

1684
01:23:53,075 --> 01:23:55,244
[Anne] I think I'm at the age where,
you know,

1685
01:23:55,327 --> 01:23:58,413
if you're not reflecting on things,
there's something…

1686
01:23:58,497 --> 01:24:02,209
You're screwed up. And it's never too late
to make changes. That's all I'm saying.

1687
01:24:02,292 --> 01:24:03,919
[background cheering]

1688
01:24:04,002 --> 01:24:07,422
[Ben] She finally quit smoking
and she stopped drinking.

1689
01:24:07,506 --> 01:24:13,345
And she acknowledged…
where all this stuff had come from, too.

1690
01:24:13,428 --> 01:24:15,681
[Anne] Many people feel
that it's too painful

1691
01:24:15,764 --> 01:24:17,474
to explore certain areas,

1692
01:24:17,558 --> 01:24:23,230
but I have found it very helpful
to get in touch with past upsets

1693
01:24:23,313 --> 01:24:26,024
that weren't dealt with at the time.

1694
01:24:26,108 --> 01:24:28,485
And when things
aren't dealt with at the time,

1695
01:24:28,569 --> 01:24:32,990
they usually come out
in unproductive ways later.

1696
01:24:33,699 --> 01:24:36,702
[Ben] It was beautiful.
I mean, she really, you know…

1697
01:24:38,620 --> 01:24:39,705
…grew.

1698
01:24:39,788 --> 01:24:41,874
But my dad would never
accept it, you know?

1699
01:24:41,957 --> 01:24:46,753
Even when she went to AA
and would go to meetings every day,

1700
01:24:46,837 --> 01:24:49,756
and she'd say, "Jerry,"
you know, "I'm an alcoholic."

1701
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,092
And he would say,
"No, don't be so tough on yourself.

1702
01:24:52,176 --> 01:24:54,803
You know, it's a lot of pressure and…"

1703
01:24:54,887 --> 01:24:59,850
You know, he didn't ever
want to criticize her in that way.

1704
01:24:59,933 --> 01:25:02,728
He always had
this unconditional love for her.

1705
01:25:04,688 --> 01:25:07,774
- Is this her original After-Play binder?
- [Amy] I found that in her stuff.

1706
01:25:07,858 --> 01:25:09,568
[Ben] Wow. That's so cool.

1707
01:25:10,611 --> 01:25:13,447
Anne is the star and playwright
of After-Play,

1708
01:25:13,530 --> 01:25:16,617
an off-Broadway show
at Theater Four in New York City.

1709
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:18,869
It was confusing. Mikey!

1710
01:25:18,952 --> 01:25:20,829
It's an epic, for God's sake!

1711
01:25:20,913 --> 01:25:23,457
- That scene with the mittens!
- [girl] What mittens?

1712
01:25:23,540 --> 01:25:26,502
She's talking about two girls, which are,
I think, standing in for you and me.

1713
01:25:26,585 --> 01:25:29,463
"Suzie and Polly? What's wrong with them?
They're gorgeous."

1714
01:25:29,546 --> 01:25:32,257
[Ben] "They have a lot of anger.
I was never there for them.

1715
01:25:32,341 --> 01:25:34,384
Even when I was there, I wasn't there."

1716
01:25:34,468 --> 01:25:37,846
[Amy] "Stop beating yourself.
You were a terrific mother."

1717
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:39,848
[Ben] "We both had a career,
for God's sake."

1718
01:25:39,932 --> 01:25:42,518
[Amy] "We were both so busy
trying to get rich and famous."

1719
01:25:42,601 --> 01:25:45,479
I feel like I'm talking, uh,
to myself up there.

1720
01:25:45,562 --> 01:25:48,398
Maybe because I'm…
Those lines that Anne has written

1721
01:25:48,482 --> 01:25:52,194
are essentially stuff we've said
at one time in our lives.

1722
01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:55,948
[Ben] "So great being with you guys.
Maybe I will have another drink.

1723
01:25:56,031 --> 01:25:58,367
Raziel hands her the earring.

1724
01:25:58,450 --> 01:26:00,160
I believe you dropped this."

1725
01:26:00,244 --> 01:26:02,496
"My earring! I thought it was lost."

1726
01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:05,374
"Nothing is lost, ma'am."

1727
01:26:13,006 --> 01:26:16,134
[Ben] I feel like… Maybe it's 'cause
of my own experience of my marriage

1728
01:26:16,218 --> 01:26:20,722
but, like, I just have
so much more empathy for them now.

1729
01:26:20,806 --> 01:26:24,268
Because… I think, because of what
I've gone through in my life

1730
01:26:24,351 --> 01:26:27,521
and seeing how hard it is
to do what they did.

1731
01:26:27,604 --> 01:26:29,606
He used to love coming out here,

1732
01:26:29,690 --> 01:26:30,983
- Grandpa Jerry.
- [Quin] Oh, yeah.

1733
01:26:31,066 --> 01:26:34,278
[Ben] Christine and I,
we'd been separated for a few years

1734
01:26:34,361 --> 01:26:36,280
and then when COVID happened,

1735
01:26:36,363 --> 01:26:40,826
we made the decision
to come back to the house with the kids.

1736
01:26:41,493 --> 01:26:43,704
- [Ben] And then that tree…
- [Quin] And that one right there.

1737
01:26:43,787 --> 01:26:45,831
That was his favorite tree.
The big pine.

1738
01:26:45,914 --> 01:26:48,125
[Ben] All of a sudden,
we were together in the house,

1739
01:26:48,208 --> 01:26:52,212
and during that time,
I started to make the movie, too.

1740
01:26:53,714 --> 01:26:55,883
So there was sort of this coming together.

1741
01:26:56,550 --> 01:27:00,971
- And her using that word, "joyless".
- Yeah.

1742
01:27:01,054 --> 01:27:04,641
[Ben] Us talking about what we
were going through, our issues,

1743
01:27:04,725 --> 01:27:08,187
and looking at what my parents
had been through, too,

1744
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:10,397
in a way I hadn't looked at it before.

1745
01:27:14,651 --> 01:27:17,237
[Anne] If anybody told me,
that at my age I would…

1746
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:21,283
you know, be happier
than I was in younger years,

1747
01:27:21,366 --> 01:27:22,951
I would say, "How could that be?"

1748
01:27:23,035 --> 01:27:25,996
Well, that's great, isn't it?
To discover that that's possible.

1749
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:29,416
- [audience applauds]
- Thank you. You're very kind.

1750
01:27:29,499 --> 01:27:31,210
[applause continues]

1751
01:27:31,293 --> 01:27:35,255
I… I'd like to say a little bit…
A little bit about my life. I hope it…

1752
01:27:35,339 --> 01:27:38,175
[Jerry] I've been going out
doing evenings,

1753
01:27:38,258 --> 01:27:41,094
where I come out and I, uh, do my life.

1754
01:27:41,178 --> 01:27:43,555
I… I get a great kick out of it.

1755
01:27:43,639 --> 01:27:47,142
It's the part of my life where…
Actually, it's what I always wanted to do.

1756
01:27:47,226 --> 01:27:48,852
I always wanted to work alone.

1757
01:27:49,353 --> 01:27:51,480
[audience laughs]

1758
01:27:51,563 --> 01:27:53,565
I know. I know. It's just…

1759
01:27:53,649 --> 01:27:55,692
- [Anne] Thank you, very…
- [audience laughs]

1760
01:27:55,776 --> 01:27:58,070
Oh, there she is. That's…

1761
01:27:58,153 --> 01:28:00,697
That's my wife. The lovely…
[theatrically] Anne Meara.

1762
01:28:00,781 --> 01:28:02,574
- That's her, yes.
- [audience applauds]

1763
01:28:04,076 --> 01:28:06,995
[Jerry]

1764
01:28:09,456 --> 01:28:11,416
You get so serious.

1765
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:12,918
It gets, like, grim.

1766
01:28:13,001 --> 01:28:15,462
It's like you're doing
the haftarah at your Bar Mitzvah.

1767
01:28:15,546 --> 01:28:17,047
[audience laughs]

1768
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:20,884
- [Jerry]
- [Jerry and interviewer laugh]

1769
01:28:20,968 --> 01:28:22,636
- How do you do?
- Oh, how do you do?

1770
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:24,388
I'm Hershey Horowitz.

1771
01:28:24,471 --> 01:28:25,722
[audience laughs]

1772
01:28:25,806 --> 01:28:28,308
Uh, I'm Mary Elizabeth Doyle.

1773
01:28:28,392 --> 01:28:30,143
[audience laughs]

1774
01:28:30,227 --> 01:28:31,603
- [Jerry] Is it you?
- [Anne] Is it you?

1775
01:28:31,687 --> 01:28:32,729
- It's me.
- It's me, too.

1776
01:28:32,813 --> 01:28:35,524
- Mary Elizabeth Doyle.
- Hershey Horowitz.

1777
01:28:35,607 --> 01:28:37,818
- Oh, it's good to see…
- You haven't changed one bit!

1778
01:28:37,901 --> 01:28:39,361
[Anne] Oh, stop.

1779
01:28:39,444 --> 01:28:41,822
[no audible dialogue]

1780
01:28:45,409 --> 01:28:48,245
[interviewer] What in your career
is your proudest achievement?

1781
01:28:49,663 --> 01:28:53,166
Uh, my proudest achievement
in my life is, uh…

1782
01:28:53,250 --> 01:28:55,294
is getting to know my husband
in a real way.

1783
01:29:00,966 --> 01:29:04,219
And respecting him
and respecting what we did together.

1784
01:29:24,323 --> 01:29:27,034
Okay. Sure you want half of this?

1785
01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:30,370
[Anne] I hate that tofu stuff.

1786
01:29:30,454 --> 01:29:33,957
[Ben] She wrote a few plays
and then she wrote about her life.

1787
01:29:34,041 --> 01:29:35,876
Like, this is all dreams.

1788
01:29:41,256 --> 01:29:44,301
"Jerry lying on bed with me and Ben,
up in Nantucket.

1789
01:29:44,843 --> 01:29:46,637
We're holding hands, Jerry and me.

1790
01:29:47,346 --> 01:29:49,556
I feel his hands and his skin.

1791
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:54,394
The sun on my back,
lying in the bed next to the window.

1792
01:29:54,478 --> 01:29:58,524
Jerry says, 'Damn plane never took off.
So, I came home.'"

1793
01:30:00,776 --> 01:30:02,152
We had a house in Nantucket

1794
01:30:03,195 --> 01:30:05,197
and that was one of their favorite places.

1795
01:30:06,657 --> 01:30:09,743
That's where they're both
buried together now, too.

1796
01:30:14,581 --> 01:30:16,875
After my mom had her stroke,

1797
01:30:16,959 --> 01:30:19,294
she really couldn't communicate.

1798
01:30:19,378 --> 01:30:22,297
But if you looked in her eyes,
you could see that she was in there.

1799
01:30:24,341 --> 01:30:27,636
She was basically totally paralyzed.

1800
01:30:27,719 --> 01:30:28,971
But she could…

1801
01:30:31,682 --> 01:30:36,645
When we'd say something funny,
she would laugh.

1802
01:30:37,688 --> 01:30:39,273
[no audio in footage]

1803
01:30:39,356 --> 01:30:42,609
All we would do is hang out with her
and try to make her laugh.

1804
01:30:43,318 --> 01:30:45,737
Amy would do characters
and I would do characters.

1805
01:30:45,821 --> 01:30:47,656
[no audio in footage]

1806
01:30:50,492 --> 01:30:53,537
If I said something that made her laugh,
I felt that I'd done good.

1807
01:30:54,997 --> 01:30:57,040
'Cause she was a tough audience.

1808
01:31:03,714 --> 01:31:05,674
[Jerry] For a number of years.

1809
01:31:05,757 --> 01:31:07,593
Two years, three years. Whatever.

1810
01:31:08,468 --> 01:31:10,053
And then I…

1811
01:31:19,354 --> 01:31:20,189
[chuckles]

1812
01:31:37,289 --> 01:31:38,123
I…

1813
01:32:16,036 --> 01:32:18,163
[Jerry] Are there any resentments at all?

1814
01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:22,501
- [Anne] No, I really don't. No more.
- Okay.

1815
01:32:22,584 --> 01:32:27,548
- [Anne] I love you very much.
- I know. I love you, too. Same way.

1816
01:32:28,048 --> 01:32:30,050
[mic clatters]

1817
01:32:42,145 --> 01:32:44,565
[no audible dialogue]

1818
01:32:44,648 --> 01:32:46,817
- [Ben] Love you.
- [Ella] I love you so much.

1819
01:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,153
- [Jerry] So, tell me something, Daddy.
- [Willie] Huh?

1820
01:32:50,237 --> 01:32:52,656
[Jerry] Is this better than anything,
just being alive?

1821
01:32:52,739 --> 01:32:55,617
[Willie] Yes. That's the way, uh, life is.

1822
01:32:55,701 --> 01:32:59,246
[Jerry] Yeah?
When we go, we'll go together, you and me.

1823
01:32:59,329 --> 01:33:01,623
[Willie] Yeah, all right. Okay,
hold hands and everything else.

1824
01:33:01,707 --> 01:33:03,542
[Jerry] That's right. We'll hold hands.

1825
01:33:03,959 --> 01:33:06,170
We can have a good time together,
wherever we're going.

1826
01:33:06,253 --> 01:33:07,087
[Willie] Yep. Yep.

1827
01:33:07,171 --> 01:33:09,047
[Jerry] You'll take me to shows again
when we get up there?

1828
01:33:09,131 --> 01:33:12,676
[Willie] I used to take you…
Yeah, when I go, I'll take you any place.

1829
01:33:12,759 --> 01:33:15,888
- [Jerry] You wanna say something to Ben?
- [Willie] Hey, Ben. How's everything?

1830
01:33:15,971 --> 01:33:18,056
[Jerry] You wanted
to say hello to Amy, right?

1831
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:22,394
She's in show business, too,
you know? Very, very talented little girl.

1832
01:33:22,477 --> 01:33:25,856
[Willie] It's like a miracle.
Uh, it goes from one…

1833
01:33:26,273 --> 01:33:28,317
one person to another…

1834
01:33:29,151 --> 01:33:31,195
[Jerry] You can call it a miracle
if you want to.

1835
01:33:31,278 --> 01:33:35,407
- [Willie] Yeah. I can.
- Yeah, sometimes the talent is…

1836
01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:37,701
is in you somewhere,
and it goes on down.

1837
01:33:37,784 --> 01:33:40,579
[Willie] Yeah. Yeah. [laughs]

1838
01:33:45,626 --> 01:33:48,378
- [Willie] What is this?
- [Jerry] It's a tape recorder.

1839
01:33:48,462 --> 01:33:50,464
- [Willie] A tape recorder? Oh.
- Yeah.

1840
01:33:51,632 --> 01:33:53,717
Whatever you say is on that tape.

1841
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,928
- So they'll hear you forever.
- Yeah. [laughs]

1842
01:33:56,428 --> 01:33:58,180
[Jerry] You'll never be lost.

1843
01:34:00,057 --> 01:34:01,808
[projector whirring]

1844
01:34:01,892 --> 01:34:03,143
[projector clicks off]

1845
01:34:11,610 --> 01:34:17,491
["Unchained Melody"
by Sonny & Cher playing]

1846
01:34:17,574 --> 01:34:23,455
♪ Oh, my love ♪

1847
01:34:23,539 --> 01:34:26,875
♪ My darling ♪

1848
01:34:26,959 --> 01:34:33,298
♪ I've hungered for your touch ♪

1849
01:34:34,967 --> 01:34:41,181
♪ A long lonely time ♪

1850
01:34:46,311 --> 01:34:52,442
♪ And time goes by ♪

1851
01:34:52,526 --> 01:34:55,904
♪ So, so slowly ♪

1852
01:34:55,988 --> 01:35:01,785
♪ And time can do so much ♪

1853
01:35:03,579 --> 01:35:10,460
♪ Are you still mine? ♪

1854
01:35:14,965 --> 01:35:19,178
♪ I need your love ♪

1855
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,893
♪ I need your love ♪

1856
01:35:28,937 --> 01:35:34,526
♪ God speed your love ♪

1857
01:35:36,695 --> 01:35:38,822
♪ To me ♪

1858
01:35:44,620 --> 01:35:47,664
♪ Lonely mountains gaze ♪

1859
01:35:47,748 --> 01:35:51,668
♪ At the sea, at the sea ♪

1860
01:35:51,752 --> 01:35:57,257
♪ At the lonely arms of the sea ♪

1861
01:35:59,051 --> 01:36:01,970
♪ All alone I gaze ♪

1862
01:36:02,054 --> 01:36:06,099
♪ At the sea, at the sea ♪

1863
01:36:06,183 --> 01:36:09,144
♪ All alone I gaze ♪

1864
01:36:09,228 --> 01:36:11,230
♪ Faithfully ♪

1865
01:36:28,038 --> 01:36:33,836
♪ Oh, my love ♪

1866
01:36:34,753 --> 01:36:36,880
♪ My darling ♪

1867
01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:44,096
♪ I've hungered for your touch ♪

1868
01:36:45,722 --> 01:36:52,104
♪ A long, lonely time ♪

1869
01:36:56,859 --> 01:37:03,115
♪ And time goes by ♪

1870
01:37:03,198 --> 01:37:06,994
♪ So, so slowly ♪

1871
01:37:07,494 --> 01:37:12,916
♪ And time can be so much ♪

1872
01:37:14,168 --> 01:37:21,175
♪ Are you still mine? ♪

1873
01:37:25,220 --> 01:37:29,474
♪ I need your love ♪

1874
01:37:32,394 --> 01:37:38,358
♪ I need your love ♪

1875
01:37:39,484 --> 01:37:44,656
♪ God speed your love ♪

1876
01:37:45,866 --> 01:37:50,829
♪ To me ♪

1877
01:37:55,709 --> 01:37:59,588
♪ Whoa ♪

1878
01:38:03,675 --> 01:38:05,677
[song ends]