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HBO SPORTS DOCUMENTARIES PRESENTS

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Growing up in Ohio,
everyone wants to be a Buckeye.

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A 101 & SI STUDIOS PRODUCTION

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Ohio State is an identity of winning,

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and that's what we're about.

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A SMOKEHOUSE PICTURES PRODUCTION

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The impact of Ohio State's
athletic department

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cannot be exaggerated.

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EXECUTIVE PRODUCER JON WERTHEIM

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It's such a point of pride.

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-O-H.
-I-O!

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-O-H!
-I-O!

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-O-H!
-I-O!

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DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY NICK HIGGINS

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It was and still is

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one of the best equipped,
most well-funded,

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most lavish athletic
departments in the country.

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It's the gold standard
for college sports.

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PRODUCER DAVID GLASSER p.g.a.

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If you're a Buckeye athlete
at Ohio State,

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you are a superhero.

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I was so proud to be a Buckeye.

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It was a big, big deal.

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PRODUCERS GRANT HESLOV, p.g.a.
AND GEORGE CLOONEY p.g.a.

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We were like, "We are
Ohio State athletes here."

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That was what it was all about.

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PRODUCED BY EVA ORNER p.g.a.

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We bled OSU.

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The Buckeyes are a religion.

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We believed
in The Ohio State University.

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We believed
in the scarlet and gray...

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until we learned the truth.

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DIRECTED BY EVA ORNER

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SURVIVING OHIO STATE

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THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
COLUMBUS, OHIO

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Sexual misconduct allegations,
40 years in the making

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at The Ohio State University.

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Ohio State is investigating

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a former trainer
for the Buckeye wrestling team.

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The trainer, Dr. Richard Strauss.

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Tonight, only on 4,

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the victim who says
he's one who sparked

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the investigation

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and is opening up
about those allegations.

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When I started reporting
on the initial story in 2018,

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it focused on one man,

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a wrestler
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who alleged he'd been abused
by a team doctor.

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My initial reaction was,
"Can that be true?

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I wonder if that's true."

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But what he was saying
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that a university doctor

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had sexually molested not just him

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but other athletes as well,

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and this had gone on for decades.

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And, sure enough, others
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Another former
Ohio State student has...

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Two more former Buckeye
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More victims coming forward

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with allegations against a...

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And that just opened
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New details tonight about the alleged

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sexual misconduct involving

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an OSU wrestling team doctor.

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Who was this accused doctor?

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I had trouble finding
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It's very difficult
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of this Dr. Richard Strauss.

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The university itself
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of photographic evidence of this man.

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He's like an enigma.

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It's weird.

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It almost felt like it was by design.

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And that made this
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You know, we've always been
proudly a Buckeye family.

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When I dropped my son off at a dorm

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at The Ohio State University

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when he was 18 years old,

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my first one to leave the nest,

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I cried after I left the dorm,

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but I thought,
"Well, at least he's in good hands.

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He's at The Ohio State University."

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All of these men
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I want to know why
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how a sexual predator

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could've been allowed to be on campus

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for 20 years.

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How did it happen?

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When the Ohio State scandal broke,

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my first thought was,

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"I don't know if I want
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You know, this is... this is
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I'm not prepared for right now."

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I'm a public school teacher,

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and one day,

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I'm-I'm sitting in-in...
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and some of the other guys
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And one of the male teachers,
an older guy,

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he said, "Well, I can't
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You know, if I was there,
if this happened to me,

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I'd kick that guy's ass."

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And I'm thinking, "Man,

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you have no idea
what you're talking about."

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And the next thought was,

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"I'm gonna have to talk about this.

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Oh, shit. Here we go."

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For the Buckeyes,
it's gonna be Dan Ritchie.

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-Get up!
-Up, up!

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Stay on the leg!
Don't come across the back!

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Initially, I got into wrestling

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because my dad thought,

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"This is a great sport for him.

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You know, he can get stronger
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At the time,
I was kind of a scrawny kid.

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But there was something
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and...

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I just grew with it.

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It became part of me.

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It was pretty amazing.

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I liked being out there
by myself, relying on myself.

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I know if I put the hard work in

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and I win,
it's because I did the work.

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And I did the work.

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And I won.

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My high school coach,

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at the beginning of the season,

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he showed me the rankings and said,

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you know, "You're ranked
number one in the state."

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I'm like, "What?" I was like...

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You know, and for me,
that was amazing.

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Ritchie, despite coming
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a lot of people doubted his ability

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for that reason,
but he's been dominant all year.

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The entire season, went undefeated,

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and I won the state tournament.

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And the 1988 state champion

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at 167 in AA,

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Dan Ritchie.

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Dan Ritchie...

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And that is what got me

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my scholarship to Ohio State.

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When I got there, it was 1988.

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My hometown, the population
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The population of Ohio State itself
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So it was overwhelming,

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but I figured, if I have wrestling,

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I have a group of guys
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And I met my roommate, Mike Schyck,

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another wrestler,

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and we hit it off immediately.

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The first time I ever met Dan,

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you know, he's got
the Vanilla Ice, like,

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shavings in his head.

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I'm like, "This is my...
my roommate? Oh, no."

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But, you know, soon enough,
we became best friends.

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We both loved wrestling,
more than loved wrestling.

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Wrestling was everything for me

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and had been since I was a kid.

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Come on, Mike!

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Growing up, I was kind of scrappy.

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Well, if we keep working together,

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we can make it to state.

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My eighth-grade year,
I ended up beating a senior.

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I made it to state.

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I was the first person
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that made it to state.

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I was in the state finals
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took second.

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My sophomore year, took third.

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Mike Schyck.

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And I won it my next two years.

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At 152 pounds, our champion,

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Mike Schyck.

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I got a lot of schools
that were sending me letters

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and recruiting stuff all the time.

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I even got personal notes
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at Ohio State, Russ Hellickson.

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Russ Hellickson
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and he was one of the best coaches
in the country.

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Fellas, I sit over there
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as a wrestling coach.

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I don't see enough fight.

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Russ was just starting
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and he promised to make winners.

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That's what I wanted.
I didn't want excuses.

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Fellas, you know, if-if nothing else,

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by the time you get back,
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of anybody on this planet.

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And Hellickson came
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Jim Jordan,

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and Jordan was a legend.

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I watched him win
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and then this guy wins
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the following year.

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I mean, it was unbelievable.

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I didn't choose Ohio State
because of Ohio State.

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I chose Ohio State
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and Jim Jordan

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and the program they were developing.

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They were gonna go all the way.

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I'm like, "I want to do that."

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That Ohio State team,

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it was gonna give me a chance
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of not only becoming
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but I had big dreams.

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I was gonna be an Olympic champion.

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Russ Hellickson, Olympian,

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he could've helped
that dream come true.

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And everybody knew
who Jim Jordan was.

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This guy was an animal.

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Very religious,

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honest.

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He was the good guy.

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And at the same time,
he could whup some ass.

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Just the perfect... perfect man.

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After a pretty tight match,
Jim came up to me, was like,

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"Man, that was...
that was like a great match.

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You know, I think we're
gonna let you on the team."

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And I was excited to be
on the team. Really excited.

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I saw such potential at Ohio State.

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You're looking around,

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your first thought is,
"National champions."

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Let's do this.

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So, leading into the beginning
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we had to get our physicals.

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I've had to do physicals
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with your family practitioner

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doing minimal stuff,
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This was a different thing.

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They had mass physicals

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where there was different stations,

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and you would go to one station

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and they would fit you
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You'd go to another station,

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they'd take your blood pressure,

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go to another station,
they'd check your reflexes.

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Finally, we made our way to a line

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that was right in front of a door.

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That line, it was kind of backed up.

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And some of the upperclassmen
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"Hey, this is gonna take you
a while."

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They were saying,

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"Oh, Doc's gonna like you."

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And they just kinda chuckled
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and I had no idea what they meant.

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Next thing you know, it's my turn.

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You walk into a room,

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and Doc's across the room.

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He had frosty white hair,

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and he just made you feel at ease

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because he was a nice guy.

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Doc Strauss was presented to us

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as the esteemed Doctor

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of Sports Medicine at Ohio State.

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Dr. Richard Strauss
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and sports medicine specialist
at Ohio State University.

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He is also editor
of the medical journal,

261
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Physician and Sports Medicine.

262
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He was Dr. Richard Strauss

263
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from The Ohio State University,

264
00:13:09,997 --> 00:13:12,792
and he had the badge
on his left chest to prove it.

265
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He did the entire body check.

266
00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:18,964
Checked our skin.

267
00:13:19,048 --> 00:13:20,716
Because with wrestling, skin issues

268
00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:23,219
might keep you off the wrestling mat
because they're contagious.

269
00:13:24,386 --> 00:13:27,348
He checked under our arms,
checked our vitals.

270
00:13:27,431 --> 00:13:29,892
And then he tells me
to turn the lights off.

271
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And he got down on a stool

272
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and tapped the side
of your legs and say,

273
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"All right, drop 'em."

274
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And it's dark.

275
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Can't even see anything, you know?

276
00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,323
And I'm looking over at him,

277
00:13:44,406 --> 00:13:46,283
and he's got... a light pen.

278
00:13:47,701 --> 00:13:50,621
And I'm standing there,
you know, looking down on a man

279
00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,958
who has a flashlight in his mouth
at my groin level,

280
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and I'm seeing the top of his head.

281
00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:57,670
It-It's just really weird.

282
00:13:58,379 --> 00:13:59,505
And...

283
00:14:00,130 --> 00:14:02,842
from that point, he would grab--

284
00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:04,218
grab your penis,

285
00:14:04,301 --> 00:14:05,845
and he's moving it around,

286
00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:07,012
moving it around.

287
00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,223
I was speechless.

288
00:14:09,306 --> 00:14:13,018
The entire time, you're just
sitting there trying to...

289
00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:16,939
talk yourself out of getting
an erection. I'm not gonna lie.

290
00:14:17,022 --> 00:14:18,774
Like, that is the one thing
you're just--

291
00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,484
Like, I am not-- Like...

292
00:14:20,568 --> 00:14:22,528
Now you're questioning
your sexuality or something.

293
00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:24,321
You're like, "What is--"

294
00:14:24,405 --> 00:14:26,323
And he would catch you
right before you say something.

295
00:14:26,407 --> 00:14:27,658
He said, "I'm just being thorough."

296
00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:33,080
And when you come out,

297
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we all kind of make this...

298
00:14:35,499 --> 00:14:38,043
You know, we kinda joke
because we didn't know

299
00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:39,587
what we were going through.

300
00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:43,340
And I'm sure I had
the same look coming out like,

301
00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,260
"What-- What was that?
I don't get it."

302
00:14:46,343 --> 00:14:48,429
And everyone's making fun of you.

303
00:14:50,097 --> 00:14:53,100
It didn't feel right,
but I just... accepted it.

304
00:14:55,102 --> 00:14:57,187
And it's not something
we're gonna sit around

305
00:14:57,271 --> 00:15:00,316
and have a-a bunch
of conversations about.

306
00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,943
Now run a mile.
I want you to run as hard as you can.

307
00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:04,361
I want you to remember your time.

308
00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:06,739
And the coaches acted
like everything was normal.

309
00:15:07,364 --> 00:15:10,242
They didn't make anything of it.
Their focus was on training.

310
00:15:11,076 --> 00:15:12,328
Ready, go.

311
00:15:13,662 --> 00:15:15,789
I came from a conservative family.

312
00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:17,541
You know, do what you're told.

313
00:15:17,666 --> 00:15:18,959
Do this. Okay.

314
00:15:19,043 --> 00:15:20,628
Coach tells you to do this. Okay.

315
00:15:20,711 --> 00:15:22,880
Coach tells you to go here.
Go, "Okay."

316
00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:24,548
I didn't know what that was.

317
00:15:25,215 --> 00:15:26,550
But we are here to wrestle.

318
00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:29,219
- O-H!
- I-O!

319
00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:32,014
And as we progressed
through the wrestling season,

320
00:15:32,097 --> 00:15:35,017
Russ and Jimmy beat
the living tar out of us.

321
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,187
Three things
will be the key to success.

322
00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:41,023
We're gonna concentrate today
on self.

323
00:15:42,107 --> 00:15:44,109
They brought me
from an average wrestler

324
00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,028
to a really good wrestler.

325
00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:49,073
I was having a great career.

326
00:15:49,156 --> 00:15:50,950
I was winning everything.

327
00:15:52,743 --> 00:15:56,830
There's a beautiful roll and a Granby
by Schyck. He saved the position.

328
00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:58,457
Now he's gonna try
to get the takedown.

329
00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:00,542
-He got it.
-He does! He wins!

330
00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,462
And most of my other teammates
were awesome.

331
00:16:03,545 --> 00:16:04,755
And there it is.

332
00:16:04,838 --> 00:16:07,633
The junior from Ohio State
is the champion.

333
00:16:07,716 --> 00:16:09,593
Did Dr. Strauss make me angry?

334
00:16:09,677 --> 00:16:12,221
Yes. But I was under the impression

335
00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:15,057
that anger helped me do better

336
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,267
and get things accomplished.

337
00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:19,728
I felt like the anger
was just needed.

338
00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:23,399
Like others,
when I stepped onto the mat,

339
00:16:23,482 --> 00:16:26,276
I was there. I was there.

340
00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,488
Worries about grades,

341
00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:31,365
worries about girls,

342
00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,950
worries about Dr. Strauss,

343
00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:36,453
or worries about anything went away.

344
00:16:37,037 --> 00:16:38,330
Ritchie,

345
00:16:38,414 --> 00:16:40,499
21-9-2.

346
00:16:40,582 --> 00:16:43,168
Quite a record for a freshman.

347
00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:44,795
I was able to compartmentalize it,

348
00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:48,507
put it in a place where
I didn't have to think about it.

349
00:16:49,383 --> 00:16:53,137
And that worked for a while.

350
00:16:53,887 --> 00:16:55,723
But it just got worse.

351
00:16:57,391 --> 00:16:59,393
Dr. Strauss was our team doctor,

352
00:16:59,476 --> 00:17:02,271
and that's what we had.
I mean, if we had an illness,

353
00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:03,814
he's the one we went to.

354
00:17:03,897 --> 00:17:06,400
If we needed medication
for something,

355
00:17:06,483 --> 00:17:07,901
he's the one that we went to.

356
00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:09,111
If we had an injury,

357
00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:10,654
he's the one that we went to.

358
00:17:10,738 --> 00:17:11,947
And each and every time,

359
00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,074
it was a full body check

360
00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:15,909
that resulted in

361
00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:18,912
a genital check, without fail.

362
00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,794
And the man never wore gloves.

363
00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:28,964
It was always skin on skin.

364
00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:33,135
With one hand, he would,
like, grab your testicles,

365
00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,263
and the best way to describe it
is like those...

366
00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:38,974
Chinese balls that you twist
for stress,

367
00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,769
and he's asking me
how I'm doing on campus

368
00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:43,520
at the same time, you know.

369
00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:48,817
If I have a girlfriend,
if I'm sexually active.

370
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:51,862
And it wasn't just
he would be like this.

371
00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:54,740
His face would be in,

372
00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:56,408
where you could feel his breath

373
00:17:57,576 --> 00:17:59,203
on your dick.

374
00:18:01,371 --> 00:18:03,832
I felt like
there was something wrong,

375
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:05,709
but I was a naive kid
going into college.

376
00:18:05,793 --> 00:18:08,378
And wrestling in college is not easy.

377
00:18:09,004 --> 00:18:12,341
We're taught to deal
with the hard stuff.

378
00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:15,886
And so I-- I mean,
I never complained.

379
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:19,181
But, I mean, I was always in there.

380
00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:21,433
My-my-my file,
by the time I was done,

381
00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:24,394
was a couple of inches thick.
Hundreds of times, easily.

382
00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,980
I mean, every time
I wrestled, I was injured.

383
00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:30,109
Wrestling is a brutal sport.

384
00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:35,197
It's basically a street fight
with rules.

385
00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:39,409
You get bruised and banged up a lot.

386
00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:45,749
I-I remember I had
a high ankle sprain,

387
00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:50,379
and Doc Strauss would hold up
the X-rays and look at 'em,

388
00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:52,631
and then after that,
he would ask me to stand up,

389
00:18:52,714 --> 00:18:53,715
disrobe.

390
00:18:55,592 --> 00:18:57,094
He would grab the stool,

391
00:18:57,177 --> 00:18:58,637
go up to me,

392
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,347
and perform the same genital exam,

393
00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,308
telling me, "We gotta make sure
you're healing right,"

394
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:04,977
and, you know...

395
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:07,020
"that your lymph nodes
are not enlarged."

396
00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:09,148
He always said, "It's like
you have a thoroughbred horse.

397
00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:11,567
We gotta keep you running,
and the only way I can do that

398
00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:13,152
is to do these thorough exams."

399
00:19:14,278 --> 00:19:17,489
But I've never looked
at myself like a victim.

400
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:20,534
I mean, I come
from the athlete's mentality where,

401
00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:22,619
if it's bad, you problem-solve
and you fix it.

402
00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:26,373
And the way I think
we kind of fixed it

403
00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:29,084
as athletes,
you kinda made light of it,

404
00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:32,379
and it was out in the open
like that, making light of it.

405
00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:35,507
Guys would joke all the time, like,

406
00:19:35,591 --> 00:19:37,801
"Hey, I need to go see the doc,"

407
00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:39,052
and if there was a group of us,

408
00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:40,846
they'd say, "Hey, watch your nuts."

409
00:19:40,929 --> 00:19:42,639
We had nicknames for him.

410
00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:46,435
Strauss was Dr. Jelly Paws
or Jelly Fingers.

411
00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:49,062
I heard someone else
call him Dr. Fun Boy once.

412
00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:51,523
But it just got more direct, like,

413
00:19:51,607 --> 00:19:53,859
"This dude, man,
what is up with this dude?"

414
00:19:55,152 --> 00:19:56,778
It was a dirty little secret

415
00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:00,032
that we all just tiptoed around,

416
00:20:00,115 --> 00:20:01,241
and we just dealt with it

417
00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:03,368
'cause we're Buckeyes.

418
00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:09,124
You would be hard-pressed
to find a more macho culture

419
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,294
than Midwest athletes and wrestlers.

420
00:20:12,419 --> 00:20:15,881
I mean, there is so much
macho dimension to this story.

421
00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:19,509
I've written several features
for Sports Illustrated

422
00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:21,303
on The Ohio State University.

423
00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:25,641
Buckeye Nation is a real identity

424
00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:27,267
for millions of people.

425
00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:31,855
And the core of that identity
is about being Midwest tough.

426
00:20:33,857 --> 00:20:37,110
For men, that means emulating
the archetype of the warrior.

427
00:20:37,194 --> 00:20:39,738
It's about you being
indestructible and dominant,

428
00:20:39,863 --> 00:20:42,783
and if you're a male athlete,
so much more so.

429
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:46,578
And anything less than that
is rejected with anger.

430
00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,622
I see people whining and bitching.

431
00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,709
I see this wimpy little look
on a lot of people's faces

432
00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:55,963
'cause somebody else
took something away from them.

433
00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:58,173
Fellas, this is a tough sport.

434
00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,676
This is a tough sport!

435
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,552
If you don't want to be a part of it,

436
00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,221
then get the hell out of it!

437
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:08,517
So view the situation with Strauss
through that lens.

438
00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:14,106
But what happened?
Somebody physically dominated you.

439
00:21:14,189 --> 00:21:15,816
Well, if you're wrestling and someone

440
00:21:15,899 --> 00:21:17,776
physically dominates you, you lose.

441
00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:21,029
And now,
what if he's half your weight?

442
00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:24,283
In sports terms,
it's a mismatch, right?

443
00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:25,826
In this kind of world,

444
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:27,661
what kind of a man are you then?

445
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,290
And now,
what if he's sexually molesting you?

446
00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:35,127
Are you willingly gonna talk
about that?

447
00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:37,796
Are you going to admit that?

448
00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:39,131
And if you do,

449
00:21:39,214 --> 00:21:42,050
are those men around you
even gonna be receptive

450
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:43,760
to hearing about it?

451
00:21:45,846 --> 00:21:47,681
My mom said this to me one time.

452
00:21:47,764 --> 00:21:50,142
She asked me if Russ or Jim,

453
00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:53,562
"Did you tell them the stuff
that we're finding out now?"

454
00:21:53,645 --> 00:21:55,731
And I'm like, "But telling them

455
00:21:55,814 --> 00:21:57,524
would imply that they didn't know."

456
00:21:58,942 --> 00:22:00,652
Our coaches knew.

457
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,655
We had guys complaining
about Dr. Strauss

458
00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,073
to Jim Jordan.

459
00:22:06,491 --> 00:22:07,993
One of the wrestlers said,

460
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:11,288
"Dude, why does this guy
have to constantly check

461
00:22:11,371 --> 00:22:13,165
our nuts, check our dick?"

462
00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:15,959
Jim Jordan's response:
"If he ever did that to me,

463
00:22:16,084 --> 00:22:18,837
I'd snap his neck like a stick
of dry balsa wood."

464
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:20,255
So he knew about it.

465
00:22:20,922 --> 00:22:23,008
And Russ knew.

466
00:22:25,427 --> 00:22:28,430
You know, the extent
of what Dr. Strauss

467
00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:31,016
might have been doing
during physicals

468
00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:33,226
or doing medical checks with athletes

469
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,103
when they had injuries

470
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:36,646
appears to be beyond the pale

471
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:40,150
but was never really told to me.

472
00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:44,863
I just sensed that he was a little
bit too invasive, you know?

473
00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:48,075
He was always too hands-on
with athletes when we had weigh-ins.

474
00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:50,077
He was always grabbing the guys

475
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,953
and turning 'em around,
you know, he'd grab 'em

476
00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:54,331
by their midsection and turn 'em.

477
00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:55,916
Then when he was checking for skin,

478
00:22:55,999 --> 00:22:57,626
he'd always be touching it.

479
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,296
I told him one time, I said,
"Doc, you're much too hands-on."

480
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,048
He'd just say,
"Ah, I'm being thorough."

481
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,925
And I said, "You know,
it bothers some athletes.

482
00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:06,927
Some athletes
are very, very sensitive

483
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:09,721
to that sort of thing,"
and he kinda shrugged it off.

484
00:23:10,597 --> 00:23:12,307
One small talk,

485
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,434
and nothing changed.

486
00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:18,605
Men at that time didn't talk

487
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:21,108
about their sexuality
and their feelings.

488
00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:24,611
And I think the coaches were probably
uncomfortable with it

489
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:27,823
and might have turned a blind eye.

490
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,200
Russ Hellickson
is your surrogate father

491
00:23:30,325 --> 00:23:32,285
while you're in Columbus, Ohio.

492
00:23:32,369 --> 00:23:34,121
If he doesn't deem it
important enough

493
00:23:34,204 --> 00:23:35,789
to get rid of this guy,

494
00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:37,165
you take your cue from that.

495
00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:47,426
There's some guys
that were able to achieve like that.

496
00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,555
I was not one of those guys
achieving in that environment.

497
00:23:51,638 --> 00:23:55,350
And it was some problems
internally for me

498
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,144
that I wasn't able to do the things

499
00:23:57,227 --> 00:23:59,688
that I knew I could do athletically.

500
00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:03,275
So, for me, there was a lot of shame

501
00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:05,735
for not being tough enough
to take it.

502
00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:13,660
You know,
after people hear these stories,

503
00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:15,954
there's a lot of guys
that talked to us about,

504
00:24:16,037 --> 00:24:17,581
"Oh, I would've beat him up,"

505
00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,833
or, "I would've done this,
I would've done that."

506
00:24:19,916 --> 00:24:21,751
"What do you mean, he touched you?

507
00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:23,503
Why didn't you just whup his ass?"

508
00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:26,006
The way Strauss did it,

509
00:24:26,089 --> 00:24:28,383
this man never had a nurse

510
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,218
or another trainer in that office

511
00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:32,846
when we were in there
one-on-one. Never.

512
00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:36,725
So it was always his word
against your word.

513
00:24:37,601 --> 00:24:41,021
And, yeah, I could've
smacked him upside the head,

514
00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:42,355
and then what would've happened?

515
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:45,650
Imagine I'm walking out

516
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:47,903
and then this old white man
is knocked out in there,

517
00:24:48,528 --> 00:24:50,030
and this guy has been, mind you,

518
00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:53,325
been around this university
since 1979.

519
00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:56,203
So what am I gonna do?

520
00:24:56,953 --> 00:24:59,456
What they're gonna do is
kick me out of school.

521
00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:02,459
He'd have his job and he'd still
be doing what he's doing

522
00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:04,628
and I'd be out of my scholarship.

523
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:08,590
We had so much to lose.

524
00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:10,550
I wasn't rich.

525
00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:12,260
I wasn't blessed with a ton of money.

526
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,138
So the-the scholarship was critical.

527
00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:17,891
We were powerless,

528
00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:19,601
and all's I knew

529
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,645
is that I wanted to be
a national champion,

530
00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:24,314
and I wasn't gonna stir
the fucking pot

531
00:25:24,397 --> 00:25:28,318
with The big-time
Ohio State University.

532
00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:30,987
And, quite honestly,

533
00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:32,989
what he's actually doing to me,

534
00:25:33,823 --> 00:25:35,325
I didn't-- I didn't even think it--

535
00:25:35,408 --> 00:25:37,953
Maybe it wasn't even wrong.
I didn't know.

536
00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:43,041
This is a credentialed doctor.

537
00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:45,710
He's got the Harvard diploma.
He's been at Chicago,

538
00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,213
University of Pennsylvania.
He's been in the military.

539
00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:50,674
He's publishing
these scholarly articles.

540
00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:54,511
Whatever you say,
he's got a quick riposte ready.

541
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,055
And you're an 18-
or 19-year-old naive kid.

542
00:25:57,889 --> 00:25:59,266
But more than that,

543
00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:01,851
he was in such a position of power

544
00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,229
because if he didn't approve
their physical,

545
00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:06,314
if they didn't go through his exam,

546
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:08,525
they did not compete.

547
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:12,279
He had all the power.

548
00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:13,655
All the power.

549
00:26:15,615 --> 00:26:17,242
And they did nothing.

550
00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:23,498
So Doc Strauss,
he got more emboldened.

551
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,418
You know, we would come down
from the wrestling room,

552
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:28,878
and most of us were worrying
about making weight,

553
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,422
so we'd come down,

554
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:33,008
sit in the sauna for 20, 25 minutes.

555
00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:35,760
And, sure enough, there's Dr. Strauss

556
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:37,012
sitting in there with us.

557
00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:40,849
Next thing you know, he'd go right
into the showers with everybody.

558
00:26:42,475 --> 00:26:45,020
And Strauss would be facing out.

559
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:47,147
You know, if, like, this microphone,

560
00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:48,898
when you shower,
this is the shower head,

561
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:50,150
you shower like this.

562
00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:53,903
He would shower like this, facing...

563
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,657
He'd be shower-facing,
so he'd be looking at us.

564
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,080
And he'd be the first one in,
last one out.

565
00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:08,084
Then, he'd come out,

566
00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:10,629
he'd see another group
of guys coming down,

567
00:27:10,670 --> 00:27:13,089
and it's like,
"Oh, I forgot to clean this.

568
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,175
I need to go back into the shower."

569
00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:17,010
And he'd go right back
into the shower.

570
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:23,600
Russ even allowed him
to have a locker

571
00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,018
in our locker room.

572
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:28,980
So Strauss was in there all the time,

573
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,523
watching all the guys

574
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,401
getting undressed,
drying off, getting dressed.

575
00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:36,696
He didn't do anything.
He didn't go out running.

576
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:38,031
He didn't work out.

577
00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:40,325
And he's taking showers

578
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,118
multiple times a day

579
00:27:42,243 --> 00:27:43,787
with male athletes.

580
00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:47,040
It was that blatant.

581
00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:49,668
He was getting aroused
while he's watching everybody.

582
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:51,586
It was-- It-- It was--

583
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:53,838
I mean...

584
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,007
It's not something
I really want to...

585
00:27:57,801 --> 00:27:59,803
remember or pull up.
I mean, I didn't...

586
00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:01,930
Storing stuff like that is not...

587
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,937
I said,
"Doc, you make the guys nervous

588
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:11,064
that you shower with 'em,"
and his response was,

589
00:28:11,147 --> 00:28:13,233
"Coach, you shower
with your guys all the time."

590
00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:14,776
I said, "Yeah, not for an hour, Doc."

591
00:28:15,318 --> 00:28:17,112
It was obvious, you know,

592
00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,573
Doc-- Dr. Strauss liked to be
in the shower room a lot

593
00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:22,033
with the athletes,

594
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:24,411
so he was doing a lot of showering.

595
00:28:28,164 --> 00:28:30,542
And we are set for action here.

596
00:28:32,085 --> 00:28:34,254
Our referee today is Fred Feeney.

597
00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:36,047
Fred Feeney
is one of the top officials

598
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,590
in the state, from the Columbus area.

599
00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:39,175
He's been around for a long time.

600
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:44,013
Wow, what a match!

601
00:28:44,097 --> 00:28:45,890
One time, I'm doing this match,

602
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,476
and once the match is over,
you sign the book and leave.

603
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,396
You don't hang around.
You don't high-five people.

604
00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,440
You get the hell outta there,
nothing good's gonna happen

605
00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,400
'cause somebody's pissed off
about something.

606
00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:56,568
Just get the hell out.

607
00:28:56,651 --> 00:28:58,361
And I walked in,

608
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,697
and, you know, you get undressed

609
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,282
and you go take a shower
and you leave.

610
00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:03,533
It's that simple.

611
00:29:03,616 --> 00:29:04,951
And as I was in there,

612
00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:06,411
Dr. Strauss walks in.

613
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,037
And I knew Dr. Strauss

614
00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:10,498
from just being around
Ohio State University.

615
00:29:10,623 --> 00:29:12,208
I've known him for years.

616
00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,377
And, "Hey, Dr. Strauss. How are you?"

617
00:29:14,502 --> 00:29:16,087
He goes, "Good, Fred. Nice match."

618
00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:17,672
And that-that small talk.

619
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:21,009
And he starts getting undressed
right beside me.

620
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:23,595
And yet there's all this room
over here

621
00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:26,598
that he could've went to
to get undressed.

622
00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:30,393
And I just kinda looked,
"Doc, what are you doing?"

623
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,729
He goes, "Well, there's
somewhere I want to be tonight,

624
00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:34,981
need to be,
and so I'm gonna take a shower."

625
00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:36,483
Okay. You know?

626
00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:38,526
So I finished getting undressed,

627
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,571
I put a towel around me,
and I went into the shower.

628
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,450
And then, within
a very short period of time,

629
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,494
Dr. Strauss walks in the shower.

630
00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:50,997
He could've went anywhere,
but he stood right beside me.

631
00:29:51,122 --> 00:29:52,999
The shower, I'm here, he's here.

632
00:29:55,668 --> 00:29:57,003
Okay. You know?

633
00:29:57,045 --> 00:30:00,173
And the next thing I know,

634
00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:01,841
I look over and I realize

635
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:03,760
he's not washing himself.

636
00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:05,386
He's masturbating.

637
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:07,514
He's beside me masturbating.

638
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:10,892
And I'm thinking,
"What the hell are you doing?"

639
00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,019
He goes,
"Well, Fred, I'm just washing."

640
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,648
Well, that's kind of a weird-ass way
to do it, you know?

641
00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:20,902
And I remember,
I kinda turned a little bit,

642
00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:22,862
and the next thing I know,

643
00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,949
I'm feeling his hand on my butt.

644
00:30:26,032 --> 00:30:27,116
And...

645
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,048
A-And I can't explain to you

646
00:30:43,132 --> 00:30:45,051
why that affected me
the way it affected--

647
00:30:45,134 --> 00:30:47,262
It affected me so bad

648
00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:50,014
that I didn't even respond to him,

649
00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:52,183
where I should've knocked him
on his ass

650
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,435
at that point, at that time.

651
00:30:59,816 --> 00:31:00,984
But I didn't.

652
00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:02,652
I walked out.

653
00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:05,113
And I went back to my locker,

654
00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:07,657
and I started to get dressed.

655
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,409
Strauss walks out,

656
00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:11,160
and he has a towel around him,

657
00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:15,123
he has an obvious erection
right there, and I just,

658
00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:17,208
"What are you doing?
What the hell were you doing?"

659
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:18,543
He goes, "There's nothing wrong.

660
00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:20,295
You got a beautiful butt."

661
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,338
He goes,
"You got a great penis. You got--"

662
00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:25,216
He goes, "You should be proud
of that," and, again,

663
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,512
I was so overcome
with how asinine this was,

664
00:31:30,388 --> 00:31:32,640
I got dressed,
didn't say a word to him.

665
00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:35,310
As I'm walking out,

666
00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:37,145
at the very end of that walkway,

667
00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:40,106
Russ Hellickson and Jim Jordan
were both standing there,

668
00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:41,733
and I looked at both of them, I said,

669
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,401
"Hey, Strauss is in there
masturbating

670
00:31:43,484 --> 00:31:45,028
beside me in the shower."

671
00:31:45,111 --> 00:31:46,738
And both of them looked at me,

672
00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:50,241
Jim Jordan looked at me
straight in my face and said,

673
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:51,743
"It's Strauss.

674
00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:53,202
You know what he does."

675
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,205
And Russ agreed.

676
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,834
I-I think, as I walked out,

677
00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:02,211
I-I started to take that

678
00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:04,172
and just started pushing it down

679
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,841
and down and down and down and down.

680
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,719
It was just something
I couldn't deal with,

681
00:32:09,802 --> 00:32:10,929
and I didn't deal with it.

682
00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,015
And what you'll come to learn

683
00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:17,185
is that this isn't just
happening with the wrestlers.

684
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:19,938
The male gymnasts,

685
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,565
their facility was in Larkins Hall,

686
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:25,151
which is where
our wrestling room was.

687
00:32:25,234 --> 00:32:27,487
He had a locker in their locker room.

688
00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:29,906
He had a locker in the fencing room.

689
00:32:29,989 --> 00:32:32,033
He had a locker in the football room.

690
00:32:32,158 --> 00:32:33,660
I heard he had a locker

691
00:32:33,743 --> 00:32:35,453
somewhere where the swim team was.

692
00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:39,874
Fifteen, sixteen sports,
I mean, that-that's insane.

693
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,251
He's everywhere.

694
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:54,305
Hockey was just, you're Canadian,

695
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:56,224
and you just want to be
a hockey player.

696
00:32:56,849 --> 00:32:58,768
That was the goal.
That was the dream.

697
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,857
I'd go to the rink, you know,
early in the morning.

698
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:06,526
I-I was-- They called me a rink rat.

699
00:33:06,609 --> 00:33:08,695
And I just loved the game.

700
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:12,657
And I was fortunate enough in 1985

701
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:15,576
to win a national championship
in junior.

702
00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:17,829
I was recruited by a lot of schools.

703
00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:19,288
I was recruited by North Dakota,

704
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:20,873
which was an absolute powerhouse.

705
00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:23,751
But Ohio State
was a better fit for me.

706
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,337
I had the opportunity
to come in and start right away.

707
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,840
My goal was to...

708
00:33:29,882 --> 00:33:31,801
get to Ohio State,
develop for four years,

709
00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:33,386
and step in to play pro hockey.

710
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,888
Ohio State offering me
a full scholarship

711
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:37,807
was pretty incredible.

712
00:33:38,474 --> 00:33:41,060
Everything that I had hoped
for to happen,

713
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:43,062
to that point, had happened.

714
00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:44,397
So I was very excited.

715
00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:55,033
My first encounter
with Dr. Strauss was

716
00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,577
ten days after I landed here
at Ohio State.

717
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:03,791
We went to the hall,
and we had medicals done.

718
00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:09,005
He was kind and he was nice

719
00:34:09,088 --> 00:34:10,465
and he, "Where are you from?

720
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,758
Welcome to Ohio State."

721
00:34:15,636 --> 00:34:17,764
And he said, "Have you ever had
a physical before?"

722
00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:21,225
And I said,
"Not that I can remember."

723
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,103
"Have you ever been checked
for a hernia before?"

724
00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:25,605
And I said, "Nope."

725
00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:29,734
You know, and he said,
"Can you drop your shorts?"

726
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:35,031
And I didn't know
what a hernia check was.

727
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:36,783
I didn't know... I didn't know.

728
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:38,284
I didn't know what I didn't know.

729
00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:43,915
I remember leaving

730
00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:45,750
and going, "Wow, that was...

731
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,085
That was very odd."

732
00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:51,214
I sort of-- I dis--
sort of disassociated myself.

733
00:34:51,297 --> 00:34:53,591
And then, whoever said,
"Oh, you know,

734
00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:55,259
you must have a big...

735
00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,679
penis," in-in other terms,

736
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:01,057
"'cause you were in there
for quite a while. Attaboy.

737
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:02,850
Oh, you know, good for you."

738
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,562
And you're like, "Oh, okay.
I'm not sure what that means, but...

739
00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:09,023
okay..."

740
00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:11,818
And I left.

741
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,655
I should've asked somebody,
"Is that normal?

742
00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:17,949
You know, why does all that
have to happen?"

743
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,577
But I trusted Dr. Strauss
'cause he was the team doctor

744
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,079
and it's his job.

745
00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:24,539
That's what they've hired him to do.

746
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:26,165
And, you know, you're so excited

747
00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:28,084
to be at The Ohio State University

748
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:29,585
playing the sport that you love.

749
00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:32,672
This is it.
You're where you want to be.

750
00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:37,510
So, yeah, I saw him
a few times, and every time,

751
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:39,804
he would check you for a hernia.

752
00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,433
Once, I got a slap shot off my foot.

753
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,727
First thing he did was,
"Drop your trousers."

754
00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:49,230
He'd check me for a hernia.

755
00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:53,234
I'm thinking, "My foot...

756
00:35:54,485 --> 00:35:55,987
My foot's sore.

757
00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:57,947
My foot is sore."

758
00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:01,492
But he was our doctor.

759
00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,453
This has to be "normal"
because no one has said anything.

760
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:10,793
But it really affected me.

761
00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:16,090
So I went to see Coach
after Christmas

762
00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:17,466
and tried to tell him,

763
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:19,844
"Something's not right
with the doctor.

764
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:21,429
You know, he's...

765
00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:23,806
He's a little different,
and, you know,"

766
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:25,641
and...

767
00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:29,729
He just said to me,
"Don't worry about the doctor.

768
00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,898
You worry about you-- your playing."

769
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,999
My mother was the only female coach

770
00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:52,960
of a men's team
at Ohio State University.

771
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:55,379
She coached women's
and men's fencing.

772
00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:04,138
Very soon after my mom
took over the men's team,

773
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:07,141
she started hearing
from the male fencers

774
00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:08,851
that there was definitely
something off

775
00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:09,977
about Dr. Strauss,

776
00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:13,898
that he would ogle the men
who were taking showers,

777
00:37:13,981 --> 00:37:17,944
and he seemed to be around
more than seemed normal.

778
00:37:21,864 --> 00:37:25,076
I remember one incident very clearly.

779
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,162
Uh, my boyfriend at the time,
it was at the end of practice,

780
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,122
and his ear was bleeding.

781
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:33,084
My mom's first,
"Go down to the trainer's room

782
00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:36,295
and go see if there's anything
that they can do for you."

783
00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:40,132
I went down there with him,

784
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:41,717
and Dr. Strauss was there.

785
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:43,511
As soon as he saw my boyfriend,

786
00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:45,471
"Sure, come on in! Come on in!"

787
00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:47,723
And then the door was closed.

788
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:52,812
Immediately after he was seen,

789
00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:54,397
he came right out and said,

790
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,440
"I got in there,
showed him my bleeding ear,

791
00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,442
and the first thing
Dr. Strauss asked for

792
00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,777
was to drop my shorts."

793
00:38:01,237 --> 00:38:04,198
He let my mother know
that this happened,

794
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,868
and so she went to discuss
the situation with her boss.

795
00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:11,956
OFFICES OF THE OSU ATHLETIC
DEPARTMENT ST. JOHN’S ARENA

796
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,750
The fencing coach says,
"Listen, I have real concerns

797
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,460
about this inappropriate behavior."

798
00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:20,089
It's clear she doesn't know
the half of it.

799
00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:21,674
She knows it's inappropriate, though,

800
00:38:21,757 --> 00:38:24,760
for a team doctor to be
showering with the athletes.

801
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:28,556
She knows it's inappropriate
for him to be pawing athletes

802
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,391
for having nothing to do
with their groin area.

803
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,227
And so she launches
her first complaint.

804
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:37,940
Their take on it was it's hearsay.

805
00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,442
You know, "Show me proof.

806
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,485
Till I have proof,
I can't do anything."

807
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,947
Her response back
to the male athletes was,

808
00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:49,327
"We need proof. We need someone
who's willing to come forward.

809
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,495
I'm glad to come and stand with you.

810
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:53,456
I will support you and talk."

811
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,461
But she did not find any takers.

812
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:01,881
And so, alone, my mother complained

813
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,592
to the directors about Dr. Strauss.

814
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:06,469
She would specifically go
and meet with them

815
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:07,803
on a regular basis

816
00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,097
because they were her boss.

817
00:39:10,973 --> 00:39:15,603
She complained about Dr. Strauss
year after year

818
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,564
because fencers would be there
for three, four years,

819
00:39:18,647 --> 00:39:20,107
and then there'd be a new set.

820
00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:22,026
It was not a one-time occurrence.

821
00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:24,236
It was regular and ongoing.

822
00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:27,531
And nothing was done.

823
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:34,663
Sir, what dates were you
Director of Sports Medicine?

824
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:37,166
-1990 to 2004.
- Okay.

825
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:40,127
And in that role,
were you responsible

826
00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:41,504
for supervising employees?

827
00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:42,671
Yes.

828
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:46,384
And were you ever in charge
of supervising Richard Strauss?

829
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:47,468
Yes.

830
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,054
In 2019, as part of a lawsuit against
Ohio State by victims

831
00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:52,473
of Dr. Richard Strauss, attorneys for
the plaintiffs conducted depositions

832
00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:54,725
with former school employees.

833
00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:58,646
Dr. John Lombardo supervised Strauss
in the Department of Athletics

834
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:00,689
from 1993 to 1995.

835
00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:03,484
It's your job to keep
male student-athletes safe

836
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,070
from being sexually abused
by a team physician, right?

837
00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:07,196
Yes.

838
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:10,074
The fencing coach
has sufficient stories

839
00:40:10,157 --> 00:40:12,284
and evidence and she's ready
to go to her superiors

840
00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:14,078
and does so, repeatedly,

841
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,414
over the course
of different administrations.

842
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,207
All right, I'm gonna show you

843
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:20,334
a one-page letter from you

844
00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:23,003
dated November 7th, 1994.

845
00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:24,630
And what does the school do?

846
00:40:24,713 --> 00:40:28,134
The same thing that John Lombardo
does in 1994.

847
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,553
From the first sentence, it says,

848
00:40:30,636 --> 00:40:32,680
"I have investigated
the concerns raised

849
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:34,807
by the fencing coach,
Charlotte Remenyik,

850
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:37,351
concerning her athletes
and the medical care system.

851
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,687
I have spoken with her
and her concerns

852
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:41,897
are based on rumors
which have been generated

853
00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:44,108
for ten years with no foundation."

854
00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,694
She's effectively clapped back,

855
00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:48,946
"Oh, you're just basing this
on hearsay and rumor,"

856
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,782
and you want to say,
"Well, that's what we've got to go on

857
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:55,369
because of your,
at best, ineptitude."

858
00:40:58,372 --> 00:41:01,417
Have you ever spoken
with any fencer on-- at OSU

859
00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:04,128
about alleged misconduct
by Dr. Strauss?

860
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:06,922
No.

861
00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:11,469
It's not like people have phones
and they're videotaping this.

862
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:14,054
It's not as though the school
has been remotely responsible

863
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:17,641
in handling the welter of complaints
that came before this.

864
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:21,395
My mom would detail
the stories that she had heard,

865
00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:25,441
and the only response back was,
"Give us some kind of proof."

866
00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:27,860
Did anyone at OSU, to your knowledge,

867
00:41:27,943 --> 00:41:30,571
ever reach out to students
about Dr. Strauss?

868
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:31,989
Not that I'm aware of.

869
00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,742
Rumor and innuendo?

870
00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:36,744
What else could it possibly be?

871
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:39,038
Yes, it's rumor and innuendo,
and you have failed

872
00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:41,624
to document anything effectively.

873
00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:44,293
Did you ever ask
any trainer whether Strauss

874
00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:46,128
had behaved inappropriately
with a student?

875
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:48,255
-Not that I remember.
-Did you ever ask a coach

876
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,132
whether Dr. Strauss
had behaved inappropriately

877
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:51,217
with a student?

878
00:41:51,258 --> 00:41:52,885
Not that I remember.

879
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,390
The school leaves him alone.

880
00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:03,103
But finally, it creates
enough of a stir that Strauss says,

881
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,481
"Fine, I won't be the doctor
for the fencing team."

882
00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:07,399
He's got plenty of other teams.

883
00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:15,658
I truly do not know

884
00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:17,868
that it was her ongoing request,

885
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:19,328
but I definitely know

886
00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:21,121
that it also took
quite a bit of time,

887
00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:23,499
well over a decade,
for that to happen.

888
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:29,797
Charlotte Remenyik was the lone wolf,

889
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,633
the one voice who said,
"This cannot go on,"

890
00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:36,011
but even after a university coach

891
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:39,014
came forward and refused to allow him

892
00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:40,975
to see her athletes,

893
00:42:41,058 --> 00:42:44,311
nobody stopped him
from doing it to everybody else.

894
00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:49,733
Let's just think about this.
The female fencing coach

895
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:53,279
has these concerns
based on what she's hearing,

896
00:42:53,362 --> 00:42:55,197
she's not in the men's locker room,

897
00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:57,408
but she's heard enough
that she's sufficiently upset

898
00:42:57,533 --> 00:42:58,909
to take this to her superiors.

899
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:02,413
How in the world
did this continue to go on,

900
00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:04,832
and why did no one say anything?

901
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,461
Maybe it was that the OSU teams
were dominating.

902
00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:11,046
What a match!

903
00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:15,217
Randleman wins it for Ohio State.

904
00:43:15,301 --> 00:43:16,719
Rex Holman.

905
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,641
And no one wanted
to befoul that with a scandal.

906
00:43:25,436 --> 00:43:26,937
But not all the teams

907
00:43:27,021 --> 00:43:29,440
during those two decades were good,

908
00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:31,567
and still there was silence.

909
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:33,027
And then something clicked.

910
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,155
Richard Strauss,

911
00:43:36,238 --> 00:43:38,574
apart from being this team doctor,

912
00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:42,870
was an absolute pioneer in steroids.

913
00:43:46,665 --> 00:43:48,417
He published article after article

914
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,461
about anabolic steroids.

915
00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:55,924
1980s, when we're just learning
about this intersection

916
00:43:56,008 --> 00:43:57,635
between steroids
and athletic performance

917
00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:00,929
and performance-enhancing drugs
and what they can do,

918
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:03,140
Richard Strauss is at the forefront.

919
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,684
One pro football player said
competing against athletes

920
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:07,603
who took steroids
was like giving them

921
00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:09,480
a three-yard head start

922
00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:11,273
in the 100-yard dash.

923
00:44:11,357 --> 00:44:14,276
It is a powerful incentive
to play Russian roulette

924
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,446
with a very powerful
and potentially dangerous drug.

925
00:44:17,529 --> 00:44:19,490
We're going to talk
with a sports physician

926
00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:21,992
who has done research on steroids.

927
00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:23,786
The question of anabolic steroids

928
00:44:23,869 --> 00:44:26,205
hasn't been very important
to the general population

929
00:44:26,288 --> 00:44:28,957
because most people
have not known much about 'em.

930
00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:31,794
Multiple sources told me

931
00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,338
they got steroids from Dr. Strauss,

932
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:38,050
and multiple sources told me
he was distributing steroids.

933
00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:40,761
I talked to one former trainer.

934
00:44:40,844 --> 00:44:43,347
One of his jobs was distributing

935
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:45,641
the steroids to the athlete.

936
00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:48,018
That was when people
were starting to figure out

937
00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:50,688
how you were gonna
be able to game the system.

938
00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:53,148
And Strauss was viewed as the expert.

939
00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:56,443
It was a small office
that served as an exam room,

940
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:58,195
and then he had a medical cabinet

941
00:44:58,278 --> 00:44:59,780
that he had there that was locked.

942
00:44:59,863 --> 00:45:01,615
It was-- Only he had a key to it.

943
00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:03,450
Anabolic steroids were in there.

944
00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:10,165
Strauss knew about the testing
and all that stuff.

945
00:45:13,127 --> 00:45:14,795
They brought us in,

946
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:17,756
like, to do B12 shots, they said.

947
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,883
I mean, I'd done B12 shots before,

948
00:45:19,967 --> 00:45:22,386
but this was different.

949
00:45:22,469 --> 00:45:25,472
It was right before, like,
Big Tens and nationals.

950
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:28,308
I remember they gave us
a pretty big shot.

951
00:45:28,392 --> 00:45:31,019
They said it was B12,
but I don't think it was B12.

952
00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:33,647
I thought it might've been
some testosterone.

953
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,524
Did it make you feel any different?

954
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:36,734
I felt good.

955
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:38,902
I felt real good.

956
00:45:40,654 --> 00:45:44,533
I just felt energy
and just recovery was quicker.

957
00:45:46,034 --> 00:45:48,704
I don't think B12 does that for you.

958
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:57,504
There was this container
we had that said,

959
00:45:57,546 --> 00:45:59,381
"For animal use only."

960
00:45:59,465 --> 00:46:01,759
And we used to call it
the animal juice.

961
00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:04,178
Did it come from Dr. Strauss?

962
00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:05,304
Yeah.

963
00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:07,222
And I don't know.

964
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,058
It seemed that a lot of people
were getting big at Ohio State

965
00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:11,602
in the late '80s and early '90s.

966
00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:17,816
As if the decks
weren't stacked enough

967
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,319
in his side, this gives
Richard Strauss another piece

968
00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:22,279
of potentially compromising
information.

969
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:24,364
If he were to say,

970
00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:26,283
"Oh, that guy's just blowing
the whistle on me

971
00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:28,160
because I was giving him steroids,"

972
00:46:28,243 --> 00:46:30,996
that's enough to get
your scholarship taken away.

973
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,624
And obviously, think about it,
if you're the coach

974
00:46:33,749 --> 00:46:36,418
and you know that the doctor
is distributing steroids

975
00:46:36,502 --> 00:46:38,212
to your athletes,

976
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:40,297
or if you're the athletic director,

977
00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:43,967
wouldn't you be reluctant
to turn on that team doctor?

978
00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:46,178
And, come of it what may, and perhaps

979
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:48,138
the team doctor, uh, plays dirty.

980
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,724
At some level, you wonder
who did the calculus of,

981
00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:52,726
"You know what,
it's better to be quiet

982
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,686
because if we do the right thing

983
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:56,897
and we get rid of this guy
and this goes public,

984
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:58,190
it's gonna be a mess."

985
00:47:00,192 --> 00:47:03,487
But I also think this story is
more complicated than steroids,

986
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:06,865
and it's not the sole or main reason
people didn't talk about it.

987
00:47:07,407 --> 00:47:09,952
People could not,
and I-I use past tense,

988
00:47:10,077 --> 00:47:12,830
I think, to some extent,
still cannot wrap

989
00:47:12,955 --> 00:47:15,290
their brains around,
how could this have happened?

990
00:47:15,415 --> 00:47:17,251
How could these guys,

991
00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:19,628
18, 19, 20-year-old athletes,

992
00:47:19,711 --> 00:47:23,257
how in the world
could they be the victims

993
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:24,716
of sexual assault?

994
00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:30,264
And so we return
to that foundation of shame.

995
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,892
We don't like to look at men

996
00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:36,770
as being victims in this way,

997
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:39,231
and that has hurt them

998
00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:42,651
not only in the way that
what people believe about them,

999
00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:47,114
but in what they believe
and believed about themselves.

1000
00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:51,451
Richard Strauss used that
to his advantage.

1001
00:47:52,828 --> 00:47:55,122
Strauss didn't abuse everyone.

1002
00:47:55,747 --> 00:47:59,501
He had a way of honing in
on these young men

1003
00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:03,171
who were mostly
from rural communities,

1004
00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:06,091
who probably spent all
of their time in high school

1005
00:48:06,174 --> 00:48:07,676
focusing on athletics,

1006
00:48:07,759 --> 00:48:09,845
who were inexperienced sexually,

1007
00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:11,722
and naive.

1008
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:15,893
A lot of them,
first time in their family

1009
00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,436
that someone made it to college,

1010
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,439
and they were totally dependent
on this athletic scholarship.

1011
00:48:21,064 --> 00:48:24,234
He knew how to hone in on those men,

1012
00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:27,571
and he would groom them for more.

1013
00:48:29,823 --> 00:48:32,367
He was always being nice to you,

1014
00:48:32,492 --> 00:48:33,827
being complimentary.

1015
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:35,537
He was totally manipulating you.

1016
00:48:36,121 --> 00:48:40,042
But you had no concept
that that's what's going on.

1017
00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:43,879
At the time, when you're 18,
19, 20 years old,

1018
00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:46,340
you don't, you've never heard of...

1019
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:48,592
of predators.

1020
00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:51,428
You never heard of grooming.

1021
00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:53,805
Especially the term "grooming."
I don't--

1022
00:48:53,889 --> 00:48:55,474
Never heard of that before.

1023
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:58,477
And that's exactly what he did.

1024
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:01,855
He ingratiated himself with you.

1025
00:49:02,814 --> 00:49:04,483
He became your friend.

1026
00:49:05,567 --> 00:49:07,778
He would take photos of guys.

1027
00:49:07,861 --> 00:49:10,030
He would give you his card
and tell you

1028
00:49:10,113 --> 00:49:12,366
he can start
a modeling career for you.

1029
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,911
I mean, we'd often see him
around with a camera.

1030
00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:22,542
He took pictures of Jim Jordan

1031
00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:24,336
for Russ Hellickson's book.

1032
00:49:25,879 --> 00:49:27,673
Oh, Doc takes photos?

1033
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:30,592
And the weird thing,
you hear that he's, like,

1034
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:33,220
really good at it, he takes
really good black-and-whites.

1035
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,306
And we heard this one wrestler
got a photo shoot

1036
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:40,185
and... and it got
some modeling stuff out of it,

1037
00:49:40,268 --> 00:49:41,895
got a modeling contract,

1038
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,897
and he started having success
as a model.

1039
00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:46,483
You know, made money.

1040
00:49:46,566 --> 00:49:47,943
And it was like, "Wow.

1041
00:49:48,026 --> 00:49:49,820
Okay." You know?

1042
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,242
During the summertime,
I was trying to get

1043
00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,285
into some modeling stuff

1044
00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:59,287
just to make some extra money.

1045
00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:03,667
And Dr. Strauss said,

1046
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:06,169
"If you need shots, I can do it.

1047
00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:07,921
I-I'm a photographer."

1048
00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:11,591
I'm like a-- I'm a poor
college student, you know?

1049
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:13,844
I'm like, "How much is it gonna be?"

1050
00:50:13,927 --> 00:50:15,303
He goes, "Don't worry about it.

1051
00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:16,596
I-I do this for--

1052
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,723
just for the fun of it."

1053
00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:22,269
So, I went to his house.

1054
00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:30,235
He... he had his little studio set up

1055
00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:33,196
in one of his rooms, and he goes,

1056
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,741
"Let's take some shots
without your shirt on."

1057
00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:43,665
And I took a couple shots
without my shirt on.

1058
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:49,046
And then he's kinda putting
his hands on me.

1059
00:50:49,129 --> 00:50:52,466
And he starts pulling
my pants down and...

1060
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:57,471
I'm like, "No. Not doing that."

1061
00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:06,438
He... he brought out
the-the negatives and said,

1062
00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:10,108
"Hey, let's, you know,
what about these pictures?"

1063
00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:13,320
So we got back to the pictures and...

1064
00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:17,282
You know, I look back
on a situation like that,

1065
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:19,576
I'm like, I put myself
in that position, you know?

1066
00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:21,203
Why would I do that?

1067
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,081
I mean, I know how this guy is,

1068
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:26,541
and I put myself in that position.

1069
00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:30,337
So, I'm like, am I bringing
this on to myself?

1070
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,214
Am I-- You know?

1071
00:51:32,297 --> 00:51:34,382
Why did I put myself
in that position?

1072
00:51:36,551 --> 00:51:37,803
But I did.

1073
00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:46,394
I started being told many times,

1074
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,897
"You're Dr. Strauss's favorite,
aren't you? He is.

1075
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:51,191
You're Dr. Strauss's favorite."

1076
00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:52,818
And just like that,

1077
00:51:52,901 --> 00:51:56,404
Dr. Strauss was always there.

1078
00:51:57,405 --> 00:51:58,573
So, yeah.

1079
00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:01,493
Shit, man!

1080
00:52:01,576 --> 00:52:03,453
Push him, Dan, push him!

1081
00:52:07,999 --> 00:52:09,668
He was always there.

1082
00:52:10,544 --> 00:52:12,879
You'd come off the ice,
and he's there.

1083
00:52:16,883 --> 00:52:19,678
And, of course, if anything happened,

1084
00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:21,429
he would check you.

1085
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:23,431
You didn't have a choice.

1086
00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:28,103
At that level, you're supposed
to compartmentalize,

1087
00:52:28,186 --> 00:52:29,271
put your shit away,

1088
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:31,064
you're on the ice doing your job.

1089
00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:33,817
And I just couldn't.

1090
00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:38,738
I just could never get
my shit together.

1091
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:42,701
In practice, you're like,
"What was that all about?"

1092
00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:47,581
You run drills in practice,
and I was having trouble

1093
00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:49,332
remembering what the next thing was.

1094
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:50,542
I mean, I was a mess.

1095
00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:55,630
I was focused.
I mean, I was a machine

1096
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:58,592
coming here, and then
the-the wheels came off.

1097
00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:02,387
Another fight, Al Nova-- Novakowski.

1098
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:04,681
You've got no one to talk to

1099
00:53:04,764 --> 00:53:06,433
'cause you don't know
that you're the only one

1100
00:53:06,516 --> 00:53:07,809
this is happening to,

1101
00:53:08,393 --> 00:53:11,771
and it just continued to spiral.

1102
00:53:13,064 --> 00:53:14,733
I was never the same person.

1103
00:53:21,156 --> 00:53:22,782
I remember

1104
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:25,452
it was Sunday morning,
and I slept in.

1105
00:53:26,203 --> 00:53:28,079
You don't sleep in.
You don't miss practice.

1106
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:29,915
And I remember getting there
and going, like,

1107
00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:31,583
"Oh, my God, I'm in so much trouble."

1108
00:53:34,127 --> 00:53:36,713
I went to the coach's office

1109
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:40,383
and said, "Look, I'm--
I'm really sorry, you know?"

1110
00:53:41,092 --> 00:53:42,594
He said, "You're done."

1111
00:53:44,012 --> 00:53:45,597
Said, "What do you mean I'm done?"

1112
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,682
He goes, "You're nothing
but a fucking cancer

1113
00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,267
to this hockey team."

1114
00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:54,356
And my whole body just kinda--
just kind of...

1115
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,195
He just ended my dream.

1116
00:54:01,988 --> 00:54:04,241
My whole world has just exploded.

1117
00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,577
I didn't know what to say to him,

1118
00:54:07,702 --> 00:54:09,079
and I got up,

1119
00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:12,999
and... I left the rink
and I never went back.

1120
00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,345
I remember, during practice,

1121
00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:27,389
I separated my shoulder,

1122
00:54:27,472 --> 00:54:30,600
and Russ said, "Go have Dr. Strauss
check out your shoulder."

1123
00:54:31,184 --> 00:54:33,395
"Okay. Here we go."

1124
00:54:37,899 --> 00:54:40,110
And I'm standing there

1125
00:54:40,193 --> 00:54:41,903
naked in front of this man.

1126
00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,700
Does the same exam.

1127
00:54:47,492 --> 00:54:50,328
You know, rubbing
behind your-your testicles,

1128
00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:52,706
and then pulling on my-my penis,

1129
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:54,541
and kind of giving it some pulls.

1130
00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:56,376
And I'm-I'm tense,

1131
00:54:56,459 --> 00:54:58,628
and I'm staring up
at the ceiling like,

1132
00:54:58,712 --> 00:55:00,213
"Please let this end,
please let this end,

1133
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:01,506
please let this end."

1134
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:02,841
He kept going,

1135
00:55:02,924 --> 00:55:04,092
and I'm looking down

1136
00:55:04,175 --> 00:55:05,427
at the top of his head.

1137
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:06,886
That's how close he was.

1138
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,680
He leans in

1139
00:55:08,763 --> 00:55:10,056
as he's doing this,

1140
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:11,308
and when he does,

1141
00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:12,559
I start pulling away.

1142
00:55:12,642 --> 00:55:13,935
I pull my hips away,

1143
00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:15,353
and then he leans back and says,

1144
00:55:15,437 --> 00:55:16,646
"All right, pull 'em up."

1145
00:55:17,272 --> 00:55:20,233
I pulled them up, didn't say
two words to him, I left.

1146
00:55:22,986 --> 00:55:24,654
I didn't go to practice.

1147
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:28,074
I vanished for a couple weeks.

1148
00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:34,039
Finally, I went into Russ's office.

1149
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,334
And I said, "Russ,

1150
00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:38,793
I'm done.

1151
00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:40,712
I can't do this."

1152
00:55:41,963 --> 00:55:43,631
And he said, "Well...

1153
00:55:45,342 --> 00:55:47,010
if you want to come back,

1154
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:48,762
you can always come back,

1155
00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:50,972
but all right then."

1156
00:55:51,056 --> 00:55:52,724
And that's what I got from him.

1157
00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:55,352
After wrestling for three years,

1158
00:55:55,435 --> 00:55:58,271
that was the extent
of the conversation.

1159
00:55:59,773 --> 00:56:01,691
And that was the last time

1160
00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,401
that I was on that team.

1161
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:07,655
I walked away from wrestling
at Ohio State,

1162
00:56:08,656 --> 00:56:10,867
and I dropped out of school

1163
00:56:10,992 --> 00:56:13,536
because I didn't have
my scholarship anymore.

1164
00:56:14,412 --> 00:56:18,041
And the state champion, Dan Ritchie.

1165
00:56:21,086 --> 00:56:22,712
My dad was so angry.

1166
00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:26,216
My dad was like,
"You have a year and a half left.

1167
00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:27,342
Why can't you do it?"

1168
00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,553
And I couldn't tell him.

1169
00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:32,806
I didn't know how.

1170
00:56:35,225 --> 00:56:37,310
I was not strong enough or able

1171
00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:40,522
to explain to him that...

1172
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,150
this is...

1173
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:46,778
This is what happened.

1174
00:56:49,572 --> 00:56:53,576
And I can't-- I can't deal with it.

1175
00:56:57,914 --> 00:56:59,249
And I think...

1176
00:56:59,958 --> 00:57:02,752
I think the inability of that...

1177
00:57:05,046 --> 00:57:07,424
it did put a negative, uh...

1178
00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:16,724
Our relationship hasn't been
the same, I think, since.

1179
00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:25,233
Did you tell your parents?

1180
00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:29,028
Did I tell my parents
my scholarship was pulled?

1181
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:33,032
No. No.

1182
00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:35,410
No.

1183
00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:39,706
What's-- What's--

1184
00:57:39,789 --> 00:57:42,333
What's--
What's the next question gonna be?

1185
00:57:42,417 --> 00:57:44,794
"Why-- Why are you
kicked off the team?"

1186
00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:46,463
Um, telling your parents,

1187
00:57:46,546 --> 00:57:49,424
who are, you know, they're-they're...

1188
00:57:49,507 --> 00:57:51,176
Ah, I mean...

1189
00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:54,637
No, I did not tell my parents
I was kicked off the team,

1190
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,266
and I did not tell them
I lost my scholarship.

1191
00:57:58,349 --> 00:58:00,143
Told some people
I wasn't playing anymore,

1192
00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:01,603
and they said, "Well, how come?"

1193
00:58:01,686 --> 00:58:03,480
I just told them
I wasn't good enough.

1194
00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:08,776
Had some people going like,
"What are you talking about?"

1195
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,695
Especially some of the guys
who knew me,

1196
00:58:10,778 --> 00:58:13,823
some of the old coaches,
guys who'd watched me play junior.

1197
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,493
Like,
"What are you... talking about?"

1198
00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:18,203
And I would just avoid the question.

1199
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,665
But I-I internalized
that lie, I guess.

1200
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:24,667
I started drinking quite a bit

1201
00:58:24,792 --> 00:58:27,420
and descended into depression.

1202
00:58:33,718 --> 00:58:37,430
Meanwhile, Dr. Strauss is ascending
and expanding.

1203
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:41,935
So imagine this, here's a guy
who has this welter of complaints

1204
00:58:42,018 --> 00:58:43,520
going back more than a decade,

1205
00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:45,188
and what does Ohio State do?

1206
00:58:47,649 --> 00:58:48,942
They promote him.

1207
00:58:50,318 --> 00:58:53,905
He becomes the main physician
at OSU's general health center.

1208
00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:56,199
You say, "Wait a second. What?!

1209
00:58:56,282 --> 00:58:57,951
Everyone knew this.

1210
00:58:58,034 --> 00:59:01,246
The team doctor showers
with the athletes over and over,

1211
00:59:01,329 --> 00:59:03,206
and you promote this guy?"

1212
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:06,668
But that's bafflingly
exactly what Ohio State does.

1213
00:59:06,793 --> 00:59:09,462
And so, Dr. Strauss continues
what he's been doing

1214
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,965
for the last decade-plus,

1215
00:59:12,048 --> 00:59:14,384
which is assaulting college-age males

1216
00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:17,845
under the guise of being
a medical professional.

1217
00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:23,309
I had a lump on my chest,

1218
00:59:23,393 --> 00:59:25,687
so I decided that I needed
to go get it checked.

1219
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:27,355
So I looked up
in the student directory

1220
00:59:27,438 --> 00:59:29,983
and saw that there
was a medical center and went there.

1221
00:59:31,734 --> 00:59:34,529
And they said, "We're gonna
give you to Dr. Strauss."

1222
00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:35,905
This physician walks in,

1223
00:59:35,989 --> 00:59:38,157
he was kind of a smaller type guy.

1224
00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:40,034
Seemed polite enough.

1225
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:41,828
And he started asking me,

1226
00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:43,621
you know, questions
about what had happened,

1227
00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:45,832
and, you know, what I was there for,

1228
00:59:45,915 --> 00:59:48,459
then he started to get
into some really weird questions

1229
00:59:48,543 --> 00:59:51,713
about if I was gay
and just all kinds of stuff,

1230
00:59:51,796 --> 00:59:53,506
and it was just really odd to me.

1231
00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:55,049
And then he made me de-clothe.

1232
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:56,759
He had me get completely naked,

1233
00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:59,470
which just seemed very weird
to me as well,

1234
00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:01,973
but again, he's a medical doctor,
I was a kid, you know?

1235
01:00:02,056 --> 01:00:05,351
I-I thought I gotta listen
to whatever this guy says to do.

1236
01:00:05,435 --> 01:00:09,063
And he proceeded to give me
a genital examination.

1237
01:00:11,524 --> 01:00:13,776
And I don't remember
any gloves being used.

1238
01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:16,321
And I can remember his breath.

1239
01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:18,281
Like, I can remember
his breath on my genitals

1240
01:00:18,364 --> 01:00:19,449
when he was examining them.

1241
01:00:20,658 --> 01:00:23,161
Then he asked, you know,
if I ever wanted to sleep

1242
01:00:23,244 --> 01:00:25,163
with more than just one person.

1243
01:00:25,246 --> 01:00:27,624
At that point, I was starting
to get really uncomfortable

1244
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,500
because I understood
something wasn't right.

1245
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,879
Then he was holding my chest

1246
01:00:32,962 --> 01:00:35,340
and he was like massaging it,
and that's when he started

1247
01:00:35,423 --> 01:00:37,342
to thrust his pelvis into my side,

1248
01:00:37,425 --> 01:00:39,594
and I-I could tell
that he had an erection,

1249
01:00:39,677 --> 01:00:41,054
and then I was just mortified

1250
01:00:41,137 --> 01:00:42,889
'cause I just didn't know what to do.

1251
01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:45,099
Then I'm trying to get
out of the situation

1252
01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:46,601
the best that I could.

1253
01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:48,603
And I left.

1254
01:00:50,855 --> 01:00:53,149
And I remember, I was so angry.

1255
01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:54,525
I called the next day,

1256
01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:56,152
and I got Ted Grace on the phone,

1257
01:00:56,235 --> 01:00:58,154
the head of Student Services.

1258
01:00:58,237 --> 01:01:00,406
He said, "Well, you know,
if you want to come in here,

1259
01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:03,701
we can try to talk about this
and sit down with Strauss."

1260
01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:06,245
I think it's really relevant

1261
01:01:06,371 --> 01:01:09,290
that what is, in effect,
the first whistleblower

1262
01:01:09,374 --> 01:01:11,042
is not an athlete.

1263
01:01:11,751 --> 01:01:13,711
Steve Snyder-Hill
doesn't have to worry

1264
01:01:13,795 --> 01:01:15,546
about the power balance
that comes with,

1265
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:17,215
"Hey, I could lose my scholarship,"

1266
01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:19,425
or the shame in the locker room.

1267
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:21,260
So he has that power.

1268
01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:23,137
Raise your right hand, please.

1269
01:01:23,221 --> 01:01:25,390
Do you swear the testimony
you're about to give will be

1270
01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,892
the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?

1271
01:01:27,975 --> 01:01:29,268
-I do.
-Thank you.

1272
01:01:29,936 --> 01:01:31,104
2019

1273
01:01:31,187 --> 01:01:32,939
- Morning, Dr. Grace.
-Good morning.

1274
01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:34,982
My name is Ilann Maazel.

1275
01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:36,734
In 2019, as part
of an ongoing lawsuit filed

1276
01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:38,111
by victims of Dr. Richard Strauss,

1277
01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:40,154
attorney Ilann Maazel deposed
Dr. Ted Grace,

1278
01:01:40,238 --> 01:01:43,324
Strauss’ former supervisor
at Student Health Services.

1279
01:01:43,408 --> 01:01:46,828
My firm is most well-known
for taking on

1280
01:01:46,911 --> 01:01:48,871
powerful interests,
the city, the state,

1281
01:01:48,955 --> 01:01:50,248
the United States government...

1282
01:01:50,331 --> 01:01:51,541
ILANN M. MAAZEL
CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY

1283
01:01:51,624 --> 01:01:55,002
lots of big companies,
lots of important, powerful people,

1284
01:01:55,086 --> 01:01:56,462
and speaking truth to power.

1285
01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:57,547
That's what we do.

1286
01:01:58,381 --> 01:02:01,342
Dr. Strauss was under your command
at Student Health, correct?

1287
01:02:02,051 --> 01:02:03,136
Correct.

1288
01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:06,055
Dr. Grace, I would say,

1289
01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:07,765
was the only person at OSU

1290
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,351
who ever did anything
about Dr. Strauss.

1291
01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:14,063
And the scary thing is,
I think that's true.

1292
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,400
He's the one and only person
who ever did anything

1293
01:02:17,483 --> 01:02:20,570
about Dr. Strauss for 20 years.

1294
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,073
And it began, finally, in 1995.

1295
01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:28,286
You attended a meeting
with Mr. Snyder-Hill

1296
01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:29,829
and Dr. Strauss, right?

1297
01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:30,913
Correct.

1298
01:02:31,914 --> 01:02:34,834
So I walked in,
and there was Dr. Strauss.

1299
01:02:36,377 --> 01:02:38,337
Dr. Strauss was really cordial,

1300
01:02:38,379 --> 01:02:39,922
but then when I said the part about

1301
01:02:40,006 --> 01:02:41,507
where he pushed
his erection against me,

1302
01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:43,551
he slammed down
on the table really hard

1303
01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:46,220
and screamed, "You're just
trying to ruin my reputation!"

1304
01:02:49,056 --> 01:02:51,350
I remember just being frozen
'cause, you know, I was a kid

1305
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:53,352
and I looked
at these doctors in the room

1306
01:02:53,436 --> 01:02:56,147
and I-I was like, "I don't know
what to say right now,"

1307
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:58,858
and neither did they.
They were just all in shock.

1308
01:02:58,941 --> 01:03:01,277
You know, you doubt yourself
because you're sitting here

1309
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,655
thinking, "Well, maybe he had
a wallet in his pocket.

1310
01:03:04,739 --> 01:03:06,741
Maybe I was confused and mistaken."

1311
01:03:07,366 --> 01:03:09,410
And so, after that,
you know, I went out,

1312
01:03:09,494 --> 01:03:11,496
and I was just upset at the time.

1313
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:13,664
Left. Ted Grace called me later

1314
01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:15,833
and he said, "What can we do
to make this right?"

1315
01:03:15,917 --> 01:03:18,336
And I said, "If you tell me
I'm confused and mistaken,

1316
01:03:18,461 --> 01:03:20,588
I will believe you if you can tell me

1317
01:03:20,671 --> 01:03:22,131
it never happened to anybody else."

1318
01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:23,883
And then that's what he said,
you know,

1319
01:03:23,966 --> 01:03:25,510
"I promise you it's never happened."

1320
01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:28,846
And so then I said, "Great,
then put it in a letter to me."

1321
01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:30,973
And there was silence on the phone.

1322
01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:32,809
Like, I could tell that bothered him.

1323
01:03:32,892 --> 01:03:35,937
But a couple days later,
I got a letter from him.

1324
01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,481
This is a letter you wrote

1325
01:03:39,482 --> 01:03:41,984
Stephen Snyder-Hill
on January 26th, 1995.

1326
01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:43,486
-Correct?
-Correct.

1327
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:46,531
And you wrote, quote...

1328
01:03:46,614 --> 01:03:48,825
"I want to assure you that
we had never received a complaint

1329
01:03:48,908 --> 01:03:50,243
about Sr. Strauss before,

1330
01:03:50,743 --> 01:03:52,578
although we had several
positive comments.

1331
01:03:52,662 --> 01:03:53,663
Close quote.

1332
01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:56,332
Now, that was actually
a false statement.

1333
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:57,583
-Correct?
-Correct.

1334
01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:00,920
Now I find out 24 years later

1335
01:04:01,003 --> 01:04:03,589
that a kid complained
three days before me.

1336
01:04:04,382 --> 01:04:06,008
Three days before me.

1337
01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:09,637
Did you ever tell Stephen Snyder-Hill

1338
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,973
about this student's complaint?

1339
01:04:15,393 --> 01:04:17,603
I don't believe I did.

1340
01:04:21,691 --> 01:04:24,277
I, by the way, would like to add this

1341
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,112
to the record, if you don't mind.

1342
01:04:26,195 --> 01:04:27,780
-Go ahead.
-I didn't realize

1343
01:04:27,864 --> 01:04:30,575
that-that I had made a misstatement

1344
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:31,742
until recently.

1345
01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:34,579
But you wrote this letter 23 days

1346
01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:36,581
after this student's
complaint, right?

1347
01:04:36,664 --> 01:04:37,665
I know.

1348
01:04:37,790 --> 01:04:39,959
But it-it-- it was--

1349
01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,670
I don't-- I'm guessing

1350
01:04:42,753 --> 01:04:46,465
that I didn't yet know
about the first complaint

1351
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:49,176
when I wrote this 'cause there's no--

1352
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:51,804
I would not have-- I be--
No, you don't know me,

1353
01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:53,890
but I wouldn't intentionally
lie to Stephen Hill.

1354
01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:55,349
There's no reason to.

1355
01:04:55,433 --> 01:04:56,893
Well, Stephen Hill told you

1356
01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:59,687
that if there had been
any prior complaints

1357
01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:02,064
against Dr.-- let me finish--
against Dr. Strauss,

1358
01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:04,358
he was not gonna
drop the charges, right?

1359
01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:05,651
That's what he told you.

1360
01:05:05,735 --> 01:05:07,028
And what does--

1361
01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:08,613
What does "drop the charges" mean?

1362
01:05:08,696 --> 01:05:10,448
Can you answer that question, please?

1363
01:05:10,531 --> 01:05:13,618
He told you, "You need to tell me
there's never been a prior complaint,

1364
01:05:13,701 --> 01:05:15,119
or I'm not dropping the charges."

1365
01:05:15,202 --> 01:05:16,829
That's what these notes say.

1366
01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:18,414
And we're talking about charges

1367
01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:20,416
of sexual misconduct
and sexual assault

1368
01:05:20,499 --> 01:05:23,794
against your doctor,
Dr. Strauss, right?

1369
01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:25,546
That is-- That is correct.

1370
01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:28,174
I mean, I-I wanted to get that
on the record.

1371
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:29,508
I made a mistake

1372
01:05:30,134 --> 01:05:31,886
when I told him that.

1373
01:05:32,386 --> 01:05:34,305
They lied to me. They told me

1374
01:05:34,388 --> 01:05:35,973
what to believe and I believed them,

1375
01:05:36,057 --> 01:05:38,017
and I-I took their word for it.

1376
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,186
And so, I went about my life

1377
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,314
believing I had been wrong
about this man.

1378
01:05:45,149 --> 01:05:47,276
And it was so beyond what I imagined.

1379
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:49,570
So beyond.

1380
01:05:50,488 --> 01:05:55,076
1989

1381
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:58,955
One evening, I wasn't feeling great

1382
01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:00,498
and I was having trouble swallowing.

1383
01:06:00,581 --> 01:06:03,376
I think probably it was
too much vodka or whatever.

1384
01:06:04,335 --> 01:06:06,003
So my roommate gave me a ride down

1385
01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:07,838
to the Student Health Center,

1386
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,092
and I went in, you know,
like a normal student,

1387
01:06:11,175 --> 01:06:12,760
which kinda sucked because I was used

1388
01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:14,637
to being an athlete
and you're, you know...

1389
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,430
But I was a normal student
at the time,

1390
01:06:16,514 --> 01:06:18,265
so I'm-I'm-I'm standing there in line

1391
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:20,726
and, you know, just minding
my own business, and then,

1392
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:22,436
I look and there he is.

1393
01:06:23,479 --> 01:06:24,897
There's Dr. Strauss.

1394
01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:28,401
That time, he didn't do
all the stuff he usually did.

1395
01:06:28,484 --> 01:06:31,445
It was a very... quick examination.

1396
01:06:31,529 --> 01:06:33,531
And he goes, "It's your epiglottis,"

1397
01:06:33,614 --> 01:06:35,366
and he goes, "It moves like this,"

1398
01:06:35,449 --> 01:06:37,201
and it was in spasm.

1399
01:06:37,284 --> 01:06:40,162
Doc said, you know, "In order
to get rid of the spasm,

1400
01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,081
we will, um, we're gonna sedate you.

1401
01:06:42,164 --> 01:06:44,000
We're gonna give you
a sedative, it'll relax you,

1402
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:45,835
and that'll come out of spasm."

1403
01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:50,172
So I was thankful. You know, like,
"Thank you for being a doctor."

1404
01:06:52,591 --> 01:06:57,013
He gave me a shot at the hospital
to relax me.

1405
01:06:59,473 --> 01:07:01,475
And he said,
"Let me give you a ride home."

1406
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:05,104
I don't remember getting
into the car, but I remember

1407
01:07:05,187 --> 01:07:07,398
he helped me go up to my room.

1408
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:10,985
I laid down.

1409
01:07:11,068 --> 01:07:12,653
I couldn't move.

1410
01:07:13,279 --> 01:07:14,488
I was sort of paralyzed.

1411
01:07:14,572 --> 01:07:18,534
He was rubbing my side
or my back, and I thought,

1412
01:07:18,617 --> 01:07:20,745
"What the fuck?
This is weird," but again,

1413
01:07:21,328 --> 01:07:23,205
you're so out,
you're trying-- you're...

1414
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,458
trying to process,

1415
01:07:25,541 --> 01:07:27,168
but you're so stoned
or whatever it is,

1416
01:07:27,251 --> 01:07:29,086
I mean, you don't really...

1417
01:07:30,337 --> 01:07:31,839
So, um...

1418
01:07:36,177 --> 01:07:37,928
Yeah, then he raped me.

1419
01:07:49,231 --> 01:07:52,693
I woke up in the morning and...

1420
01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:05,456
I was trying to process it,

1421
01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:07,416
you know, like, what-- what--

1422
01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:11,462
Trying to remember the night, like,

1423
01:08:11,545 --> 01:08:14,006
how did we get here, how did we get--

1424
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:17,051
How did we get to this?

1425
01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:18,552
And...

1426
01:08:22,014 --> 01:08:24,100
Yeah, I was in--
I was in fucking shock.

1427
01:08:24,183 --> 01:08:26,227
Like, I was in-- Like, I was...

1428
01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:29,146
I was-- I was--

1429
01:08:34,068 --> 01:08:35,820
And who are you gonna tell?

1430
01:08:35,903 --> 01:08:38,572
Like, who... who am I gonna tell?

1431
01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:48,624
By the time
I interviewed Al Novakowski,

1432
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:53,045
the investigation
had identified 47 rape victims.

1433
01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:55,464
Now we know he was number 48.

1434
01:08:55,548 --> 01:08:57,133
When I found out that they knew,

1435
01:08:57,216 --> 01:08:58,300
2019

1436
01:08:58,384 --> 01:09:00,427
when I found out
that The Ohio State University

1437
01:09:00,511 --> 01:09:03,389
knew he groped and touched
the athletes,

1438
01:09:04,181 --> 01:09:05,641
I was beyond...

1439
01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:09,145
Well, to this day,
I'm thinking, "Holy shit.

1440
01:09:09,228 --> 01:09:11,355
Did these people not have kids?

1441
01:09:11,438 --> 01:09:14,233
Did these people not have
hearts or souls?" Like...

1442
01:09:15,442 --> 01:09:17,820
Like, there's a special place
for these people,

1443
01:09:17,903 --> 01:09:19,572
and it's not heaven.

1444
01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:22,449
For those that knew, can you--
Like, they knew it!

1445
01:09:24,451 --> 01:09:26,328
How many others are out there

1446
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,457
who may never share
their story publicly?

1447
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,425
I dropped out of school.

1448
01:09:41,302 --> 01:09:44,597
And Dr. Strauss went on,

1449
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:45,681
year

1450
01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:48,017
after year

1451
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,393
after year.

1452
01:09:59,486 --> 01:10:02,156
So I'm showing you exhibit 19.

1453
01:10:02,907 --> 01:10:05,326
Another very disturbing incident.

1454
01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:06,952
-Right?
-Yes.

1455
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,662
This is now the third

1456
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:10,372
direct complaint against Dr. Strauss?

1457
01:10:10,456 --> 01:10:12,333
- Correct.
-The Student A complaint

1458
01:10:12,416 --> 01:10:14,585
was January 3rd, 1995, correct?

1459
01:10:14,710 --> 01:10:16,045
Correct.

1460
01:10:16,545 --> 01:10:18,756
Student B complaint
was January 6th, 1995.

1461
01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:20,090
-Right?
- Correct.

1462
01:10:20,174 --> 01:10:23,510
And you wrote this memo
on January 10th, 1996, right?

1463
01:10:24,887 --> 01:10:27,264
- Correct.
-So that's over a year later.

1464
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:28,891
Correct.

1465
01:10:31,644 --> 01:10:33,520
This student reported

1466
01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:37,524
that Dr. Strauss commented
on his big muscles,

1467
01:10:37,608 --> 01:10:39,235
asked him to take off his shirt.

1468
01:10:39,318 --> 01:10:41,403
- Yes.
-Dr. Strauss told Student C,

1469
01:10:41,487 --> 01:10:43,739
"Take everything off
from the waist down,"

1470
01:10:43,864 --> 01:10:46,450
and did a slow exam
that Student C described

1471
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:48,744
as fondling and like nothing
he'd ever had before.

1472
01:10:49,411 --> 01:10:50,412
Right.

1473
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,915
And then the student ejaculated.

1474
01:10:52,998 --> 01:10:54,541
-Right?
-Yes.

1475
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:56,585
Have you ever heard
about a patient who ejaculated

1476
01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:57,920
during a medical examination?

1477
01:10:58,003 --> 01:10:59,380
No.

1478
01:10:59,421 --> 01:11:02,841
The only time you ever heard that is
in the context of Dr. Strauss, right?

1479
01:11:02,925 --> 01:11:03,926
Yes.

1480
01:11:04,677 --> 01:11:06,428
During the investigation
of that complaint,

1481
01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:08,430
you placed Dr. Strauss
on administrative leave.

1482
01:11:08,514 --> 01:11:09,932
-Correct?
- Correct.

1483
01:11:15,562 --> 01:11:17,773
One of the incredible
things about this case is,

1484
01:11:18,357 --> 01:11:21,235
you know, Dr. Grace did not report

1485
01:11:21,318 --> 01:11:22,987
Dr. Strauss to the medical board.

1486
01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:25,739
It was Dr. Strauss

1487
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,867
who reported Dr. Grace
to the medical board.

1488
01:11:31,412 --> 01:11:33,998
He complained that Dr. Grace

1489
01:11:34,081 --> 01:11:37,459
had confronted him
over alleged sexual abuse,

1490
01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:39,211
and Dr. Strauss
was the one being wronged.

1491
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:40,921
He was the one being harassed.

1492
01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:44,174
Over three months
after Student C's complaint

1493
01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:46,343
is when Dr. Strauss complains

1494
01:11:46,427 --> 01:11:47,720
to the medical board about you.

1495
01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:49,722
-Yes.
-And so, at that point,

1496
01:11:49,805 --> 01:11:51,640
you had not spoken
with the medical board.

1497
01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:53,100
-Correct?
-Correct.

1498
01:11:53,183 --> 01:11:54,935
Or had any contact
with the medical board.

1499
01:11:55,019 --> 01:11:56,061
-Correct?
-Correct.

1500
01:11:56,145 --> 01:11:57,521
Or made any complaint
about Dr. Strauss

1501
01:11:57,604 --> 01:11:59,398
-to the medical board. Correct?
-Correct.

1502
01:12:01,525 --> 01:12:03,027
And then in July 1996,

1503
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:04,611
you did meet with the medical board.

1504
01:12:04,695 --> 01:12:05,779
-Correct?
-Yes.

1505
01:12:05,863 --> 01:12:08,574
Because of Dr. Strauss's complaint.

1506
01:12:08,699 --> 01:12:09,950
-Right?
- Correct.

1507
01:12:11,785 --> 01:12:13,662
When Dr. Grace
finally was interviewed

1508
01:12:13,746 --> 01:12:15,164
by the medical board,

1509
01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:17,666
the medical board on its own

1510
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:20,919
then initiated an investigation
into Dr. Strauss.

1511
01:12:21,003 --> 01:12:22,338
So as of July 1996,

1512
01:12:22,379 --> 01:12:23,797
no one at the university
filed any kind

1513
01:12:23,881 --> 01:12:26,633
of complaint against Dr. Strauss,
correct?

1514
01:12:27,551 --> 01:12:29,053
Not in writing.

1515
01:12:29,845 --> 01:12:32,264
Well, according
to the medical board, not at all.

1516
01:12:34,099 --> 01:12:36,185
After this, what OSU did

1517
01:12:36,268 --> 01:12:39,688
is they had a secret
disciplinary hearing

1518
01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:41,023
for Dr. Strauss.

1519
01:12:41,106 --> 01:12:43,150
Didn't reveal the findings

1520
01:12:43,233 --> 01:12:46,153
to the student body
or pretty much anyone,

1521
01:12:46,236 --> 01:12:48,906
and then they very quietly
removed him

1522
01:12:48,989 --> 01:12:51,033
from being the team physician

1523
01:12:51,158 --> 01:12:53,118
and from Student Health Services.

1524
01:12:53,702 --> 01:12:56,705
Quote, "On August 5th, 1996,
Williams informed Strauss

1525
01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:58,999
that he considered
all the information

1526
01:12:59,083 --> 01:13:01,293
and Williams had determined
that Strauss's appointment

1527
01:13:01,377 --> 01:13:03,796
would not be renewed
effective immediately."

1528
01:13:03,879 --> 01:13:04,838
-Correct?
-Correct.

1529
01:13:04,922 --> 01:13:06,173
Everything else was renewed, right?

1530
01:13:06,256 --> 01:13:09,468
He was still a professor
of Internal Medicine. Right?

1531
01:13:09,551 --> 01:13:11,929
Still a professor
of Preventive Medicine. Right?

1532
01:13:12,012 --> 01:13:13,889
Still a professor
at the School of Public Health.

1533
01:13:13,972 --> 01:13:15,391
Correct.

1534
01:13:15,974 --> 01:13:18,227
The university
never fired Dr. Strauss, right?

1535
01:13:19,353 --> 01:13:20,354
Not that I'm aware.

1536
01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:25,025
Richard Strauss
finally retired voluntarily

1537
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:26,360
in 1998.

1538
01:13:27,611 --> 01:13:29,905
And even after he retired,

1539
01:13:29,988 --> 01:13:32,533
OSU gave him emeritus status.

1540
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:35,369
It's an honor to have
emeritus status.

1541
01:13:35,452 --> 01:13:37,079
-Yes.
-And OSU

1542
01:13:37,162 --> 01:13:39,248
gave Dr. Strauss that honor.

1543
01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:41,208
-Yes.
-Did they have to do that?

1544
01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:42,918
I guess not.

1545
01:13:43,043 --> 01:13:45,754
This is hardly someone
who has been disgraced,

1546
01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,591
who leaves Columbus
in-in this horrible exile

1547
01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:50,926
with a cloud over him.

1548
01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:54,054
This is an esteemed
Ohio State faculty member

1549
01:13:54,138 --> 01:13:57,307
who decides to move out west
to the sunshine.

1550
01:13:57,975 --> 01:14:00,394
This is someone who sets up
practice in California.

1551
01:14:00,477 --> 01:14:02,521
He still can put on the wall,
still can tell people

1552
01:14:02,604 --> 01:14:05,482
he's Emeritus Professor
at The Ohio State.

1553
01:14:05,566 --> 01:14:07,985
This is not someone
who has suffered consequence

1554
01:14:08,068 --> 01:14:09,903
for-for grievous crimes.

1555
01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:17,619
He sexually abused football players,

1556
01:14:17,744 --> 01:14:19,037
wrestlers,

1557
01:14:19,121 --> 01:14:20,956
tennis players,

1558
01:14:21,081 --> 01:14:24,460
hockey players, fencers.

1559
01:14:24,585 --> 01:14:27,379
He sexually abused students
who were not athletes

1560
01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:29,631
whom he saw
in Student Health Services.

1561
01:14:29,715 --> 01:14:31,258
He did this repeatedly,

1562
01:14:31,341 --> 01:14:34,636
he did it
right under the nose of OSU.

1563
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,513
And the whole thing

1564
01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:39,558
might have just died away forever.

1565
01:14:42,144 --> 01:14:44,855
But fast-forward 20 years,

1566
01:14:44,938 --> 01:14:46,106
it all changed.

1567
01:14:47,858 --> 01:14:49,818
Today marks a step

1568
01:14:50,777 --> 01:14:52,905
in a continuing quest

1569
01:14:52,988 --> 01:14:55,949
for accountability and justice

1570
01:14:56,074 --> 01:14:59,578
for the horrific predatory conduct

1571
01:14:59,703 --> 01:15:01,079
of Larry Nassar.

1572
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:07,794
The Larry Nassar,
Michigan State ordeal,

1573
01:15:07,878 --> 01:15:09,546
I was following that very closely

1574
01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,216
because, you know,
my daughter was a gymnast.

1575
01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:14,092
What would you like to tell him?

1576
01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:16,345
Your Honor, thank you
for the opportunity

1577
01:15:16,428 --> 01:15:18,305
to make this statement here today.

1578
01:15:18,388 --> 01:15:19,890
I called Mike DiSabato up

1579
01:15:19,973 --> 01:15:24,102
and... and I'm discussing
the situation.

1580
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:26,897
And he's reading testimony to me.

1581
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:29,274
The hardest thing
I've ever had to do is process

1582
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,944
that I'm a victim of Larry Nassar.

1583
01:15:34,404 --> 01:15:36,657
I had no idea what he was doing

1584
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:39,826
and that it was sexual assault
or any type of abuse.

1585
01:15:39,952 --> 01:15:41,370
I was taught to trust doctors

1586
01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,080
because they are there to help you.

1587
01:15:43,163 --> 01:15:45,791
And I said, "Wow, that's us."

1588
01:15:45,874 --> 01:15:47,251
He turned the lights off.

1589
01:15:47,876 --> 01:15:50,546
I was alone without any supervision.

1590
01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:52,339
The same thing happened
every single time.

1591
01:15:52,422 --> 01:15:55,217
Even when I had knee
and ankle injuries.

1592
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:56,927
I was ashamed, disgusted in myself

1593
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:58,345
rather than at Larry.

1594
01:15:58,428 --> 01:15:59,638
Your Honor, stress the need

1595
01:15:59,721 --> 01:16:01,348
to investigate how this happened

1596
01:16:01,431 --> 01:16:03,350
so we can hold accountable
those who empowered

1597
01:16:03,433 --> 01:16:04,935
and enabled Larry Nassar.

1598
01:16:05,018 --> 01:16:07,020
It makes a difference
to have the abuser

1599
01:16:07,104 --> 01:16:08,981
accountable for their actions.

1600
01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:10,774
Thank you.

1601
01:16:10,857 --> 01:16:13,569
To watch them speak was powerful.

1602
01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:16,863
It unlocked something in me.

1603
01:16:16,947 --> 01:16:19,408
And I spent two months

1604
01:16:19,491 --> 01:16:21,034
speaking to my teammates...

1605
01:16:23,328 --> 01:16:25,455
to verify what I already knew,

1606
01:16:26,123 --> 01:16:28,000
that Richard Strauss

1607
01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:29,585
was another Larry Nassar.

1608
01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:34,089
Mike DiSabato,
just out of the blue one day,

1609
01:16:34,172 --> 01:16:35,757
asked me about Dr. Strauss,

1610
01:16:35,841 --> 01:16:38,385
and-and I shared with him my story.

1611
01:16:40,846 --> 01:16:42,806
I'd never talked
to Mike about these things,

1612
01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:45,225
and Mike asked me about Doc Strauss.

1613
01:16:46,226 --> 01:16:49,062
You know, you sit
and think you don't remember

1614
01:16:49,146 --> 01:16:50,272
any of these stories.

1615
01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,067
And then, an hour and a half
later, it's like,

1616
01:16:55,736 --> 01:16:57,321
"Oh, like, wow, that--

1617
01:16:58,196 --> 01:16:59,197
that happened.

1618
01:16:59,990 --> 01:17:01,408
And that happened."

1619
01:17:01,533 --> 01:17:03,118
And he said, "I'm gonna tell 'em."

1620
01:17:04,077 --> 01:17:06,747
And I was taken back.
I'm like, "Gonna tell who?"

1621
01:17:08,415 --> 01:17:10,876
And he said, "I'm gonna go
to The Ohio State University

1622
01:17:10,959 --> 01:17:13,211
and ask for an investigation
to be done."

1623
01:17:13,295 --> 01:17:15,672
I think I was speechless
for a little bit...

1624
01:17:17,257 --> 01:17:19,134
and then I begged him not to.

1625
01:17:19,217 --> 01:17:20,427
Why?

1626
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:25,932
Shame.

1627
01:17:29,144 --> 01:17:31,104
Sexual misconduct allegations

1628
01:17:31,188 --> 01:17:33,982
40 years in the making
at The Ohio State University.

1629
01:17:34,066 --> 01:17:37,444
Mike told me
that he was still gonna do it.

1630
01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:39,529
Details are coming to light
in the investigation

1631
01:17:39,613 --> 01:17:42,866
of a former Ohio State
wrestling team physician

1632
01:17:42,949 --> 01:17:45,952
possibly involved
in sexual misconduct.

1633
01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:48,038
Even though I wanted no part of it,

1634
01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:49,539
I told Mike,

1635
01:17:49,623 --> 01:17:51,375
"I'm not gonna let you stand there

1636
01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:52,709
and take it by yourself."

1637
01:17:54,419 --> 01:17:55,754
"I'll stand with you."

1638
01:17:55,837 --> 01:17:57,964
Another former Ohio State student

1639
01:17:58,048 --> 01:18:01,301
has come forward to say
that he too was a victim

1640
01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:03,595
of Strauss's sexual misconduct.

1641
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,723
I decided that accountability
needed to be had.

1642
01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:09,101
I'm speaking on behalf
of many of my teammates...

1643
01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:11,103
I said, "I want to help."

1644
01:18:11,186 --> 01:18:13,188
Dan Ritchie is one of the men

1645
01:18:13,271 --> 01:18:16,358
who kept his secret for 25 years.

1646
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:18,443
This complaint involves a student

1647
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,736
at the Student Health Center.

1648
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,406
As more people come forward,

1649
01:18:22,489 --> 01:18:24,950
Ohio State decided
to investigate themselves.

1650
01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:27,035
OSU BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING
APRIL 22, 2018

1651
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,830
Just like Penn State and at Michigan,

1652
01:18:29,955 --> 01:18:32,082
they were doing
what everyone would expect

1653
01:18:32,165 --> 01:18:33,458
a university was doing.

1654
01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:35,293
They were paying for

1655
01:18:35,377 --> 01:18:37,838
an in-depth
independent investigation.

1656
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:40,966
Now, a full report will be released

1657
01:18:41,049 --> 01:18:42,551
when this investigation is done.

1658
01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:44,678
No word on when that will happen.

1659
01:18:44,761 --> 01:18:47,431
What became evident
quickly was that this was not

1660
01:18:47,514 --> 01:18:49,307
the USA Gymnastics scandal

1661
01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:51,309
and the dynamic there.

1662
01:18:51,393 --> 01:18:54,312
To begin with, there would be
no Larry Nassar to pursue.

1663
01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:57,524
Richard Strauss had eluded
the possibility of conviction.

1664
01:18:57,607 --> 01:18:59,609
The outside attorney investigating

1665
01:18:59,693 --> 01:19:01,111
provided this today:

1666
01:19:01,194 --> 01:19:04,364
Richard Strauss died in 2005.

1667
01:19:05,073 --> 01:19:07,284
We now know former OSU doctor

1668
01:19:07,367 --> 01:19:10,412
Richard Strauss died by suicide.

1669
01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,289
This sounds so morbid,
but I pulled up

1670
01:19:12,372 --> 01:19:14,666
his autopsy report
after he killed himself,

1671
01:19:14,791 --> 01:19:16,710
and I wanted to know
the details of everything.

1672
01:19:16,793 --> 01:19:18,962
I wanted to know what he was wearing.

1673
01:19:19,045 --> 01:19:20,672
I wanted to know how he did it.

1674
01:19:20,756 --> 01:19:23,467
I wanted to know
what they said his causes were.

1675
01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:25,510
I wanted some kind of glimpse
that he did it

1676
01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:28,346
because he was miserable
because of what he did to us,

1677
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:30,974
and what it said was he did it
because he was in pain

1678
01:19:31,057 --> 01:19:33,018
and the pills weren't helping him.

1679
01:19:34,811 --> 01:19:36,646
There's no remorse about what he did.

1680
01:19:36,730 --> 01:19:38,231
It was because he was inconvenienced

1681
01:19:38,315 --> 01:19:40,108
because of pain.
That's what you find out,

1682
01:19:40,192 --> 01:19:41,902
and that... that just stinks.

1683
01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:46,656
If the doctor in question is dead,

1684
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:50,619
some ask, "What is the point
of this investigation anyway?"

1685
01:19:50,744 --> 01:19:52,704
Well, the university says
there are two goals

1686
01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,206
for this investigation.

1687
01:19:54,289 --> 01:19:56,833
One of them is to identify
and evaluate

1688
01:19:56,958 --> 01:19:59,419
all the allegations against Strauss,

1689
01:19:59,544 --> 01:20:01,797
and the other one
is to see if anybody

1690
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,757
working at the university
at that time

1691
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,133
knew about those allegations.

1692
01:20:05,217 --> 01:20:08,887
That, of course, could lead
to criminal action.

1693
01:20:11,932 --> 01:20:15,560
If a university
is deliberately indifferent

1694
01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:17,771
to sexual misconduct,

1695
01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:20,690
then they are legally responsible.

1696
01:20:20,774 --> 01:20:22,484
"Deliberately indifferent,"
fancy words.

1697
01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:25,153
Basically, you know,
did they-- were they--

1698
01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:27,656
Did they care?
Did they do something to stop it?

1699
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,784
Did they take
reasonable action or not?

1700
01:20:31,368 --> 01:20:33,411
OSU not only took no action,

1701
01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:38,416
they put a known predator
into a position of authority.

1702
01:20:41,795 --> 01:20:43,839
We decided to take action,

1703
01:20:43,922 --> 01:20:46,258
and I was the lead plaintiff

1704
01:20:46,341 --> 01:20:49,010
on a lawsuit filed
against the university.

1705
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:51,930
For years of alleged abuse,

1706
01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:53,723
former Ohio State wrestlers

1707
01:20:53,807 --> 01:20:55,684
are suing the university tonight,

1708
01:20:55,767 --> 01:20:57,936
claiming the school
ignored their complaints

1709
01:20:58,019 --> 01:20:59,145
about a team doctor.

1710
01:20:59,229 --> 01:21:01,773
Being in this arena is scary.

1711
01:21:01,857 --> 01:21:04,109
I mean, I'm-- I'm suing a university

1712
01:21:04,192 --> 01:21:07,237
that I spent years of my life
wrestling for.

1713
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,572
I mean, that's just insane.

1714
01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:10,574
But it was necessary.

1715
01:21:10,657 --> 01:21:13,034
The university
should've protected us more.

1716
01:21:13,743 --> 01:21:15,537
They knew what was going on.

1717
01:21:16,037 --> 01:21:17,914
So, I contacted our attorneys.

1718
01:21:17,998 --> 01:21:20,333
I said, "What do I have to do?"

1719
01:21:20,417 --> 01:21:23,003
Dozens of men have come forward

1720
01:21:23,086 --> 01:21:26,214
and sued The Ohio State University
over sexual abuse allegations

1721
01:21:26,298 --> 01:21:28,592
against a former school doctor.

1722
01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:32,345
And that unleashed
the other major difference

1723
01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:33,847
between this case

1724
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,349
and the Nassar gymnast survivors.

1725
01:21:45,025 --> 01:21:47,861
People could not wrap
their brains around it.

1726
01:21:49,863 --> 01:21:52,073
How could these
grain-fed tough guys...

1727
01:21:52,157 --> 01:21:55,952
How in the world
could they be the victims

1728
01:21:56,036 --> 01:21:57,454
of sexual assault?

1729
01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:04,085
These were wrestlers.

1730
01:22:05,462 --> 01:22:07,130
And not just wrestlers.

1731
01:22:07,213 --> 01:22:08,840
Mark Coleman!

1732
01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:11,676
I mean, Mark Coleman
was the baddest of the badass.

1733
01:22:12,677 --> 01:22:14,846
He was a terrific wrestler
at Ohio State,

1734
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:16,222
won a national title.

1735
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:20,185
And then after this absolutely
gilded wrestling career,

1736
01:22:20,268 --> 01:22:22,604
he pivots to mixed martial arts.

1737
01:22:22,687 --> 01:22:24,648
He was this very prominent fighter.

1738
01:22:24,731 --> 01:22:26,942
"Ground and Pound" was his trademark

1739
01:22:27,025 --> 01:22:29,110
as a UFC fighter. What did that mean?

1740
01:22:29,778 --> 01:22:31,237
You'd wrestle the guy to the ground

1741
01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:33,448
and you'd beat the shit out of him.

1742
01:22:33,531 --> 01:22:35,241
Coleman is this physical beast.

1743
01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:39,746
So how could this guy be a victim
to someone like Strauss?

1744
01:22:41,247 --> 01:22:44,834
I was very, very nervous
about this whole thing.

1745
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,797
I wanted Ohio State
to hold themselves accountable

1746
01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:51,424
to make sure
this doesn't happen again.

1747
01:22:53,134 --> 01:22:55,845
But everybody is
telling us to go kick rocks.

1748
01:22:56,721 --> 01:22:59,933
So, who could we go to
that could help us with this?

1749
01:23:04,604 --> 01:23:07,357
I present to you Russ Hellickson.

1750
01:23:08,024 --> 01:23:09,275
Well-deserved.

1751
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,653
Russ. My relationship with him

1752
01:23:11,736 --> 01:23:13,321
is so cherished.

1753
01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,240
As a wrestling coach,

1754
01:23:15,323 --> 01:23:17,325
I have three daughters

1755
01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:19,786
and over 500 sons.

1756
01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:24,124
Russ was like family.

1757
01:23:24,207 --> 01:23:25,750
He was like a second father to me.

1758
01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:29,004
And so I text Russ
a long text message.

1759
01:23:29,671 --> 01:23:32,590
Just, "Hey, look, we need you."

1760
01:23:32,674 --> 01:23:34,884
And within an hour, I got a response.

1761
01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:42,392
About 20 of us met

1762
01:23:42,475 --> 01:23:43,977
over at one of the local high schools

1763
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:46,104
that one of the wrestlers work at.

1764
01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:47,897
And we sat in a room with him

1765
01:23:47,981 --> 01:23:49,941
and we went around, each individual,

1766
01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:53,153
and told exactly what happened to us.

1767
01:23:53,945 --> 01:23:55,947
Everybody said their piece.

1768
01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:57,782
It was emotional.

1769
01:23:58,867 --> 01:24:01,077
It got to my turn,

1770
01:24:01,202 --> 01:24:03,621
and I asked him, I said,
"Do you remember

1771
01:24:03,705 --> 01:24:05,040
when I came into your office

1772
01:24:05,165 --> 01:24:07,876
and I said, 'I'm done. I'm out'?"

1773
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:09,210
He said, "Yeah, I do."

1774
01:24:09,335 --> 01:24:10,962
I said, "I never told you why.

1775
01:24:11,588 --> 01:24:12,797
This is why."

1776
01:24:13,381 --> 01:24:15,300
You just saw him open up

1777
01:24:15,383 --> 01:24:16,843
and start to sympathize

1778
01:24:16,926 --> 01:24:19,220
and understand what had happened.

1779
01:24:22,599 --> 01:24:24,559
At the end of that meeting,

1780
01:24:24,642 --> 01:24:26,352
he said he would write a letter

1781
01:24:26,436 --> 01:24:28,188
to whoever he needs
to write a letter to

1782
01:24:28,271 --> 01:24:29,522
in support of us.

1783
01:24:30,190 --> 01:24:31,608
That's what we needed.

1784
01:24:31,691 --> 01:24:33,193
We needed reassurance.

1785
01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:35,862
We walked out like we were family.

1786
01:24:39,324 --> 01:24:41,159
And, of course, we turned to Jimmy,

1787
01:24:41,284 --> 01:24:43,286
our former assistant coach.

1788
01:24:43,369 --> 01:24:46,206
Things had changed a bit
for him since OSU.

1789
01:24:46,289 --> 01:24:47,791
Ladies and gentlemen,

1790
01:24:47,874 --> 01:24:50,960
please welcome
Congressman Jim Jordan.

1791
01:24:53,505 --> 01:24:55,256
Thank you. Very kind.

1792
01:24:56,549 --> 01:24:58,718
Jim Jordan's now a prominent figure

1793
01:24:58,802 --> 01:25:01,513
in the Republican Party
for the House of Representatives,

1794
01:25:01,596 --> 01:25:03,765
always on news and media outlets.

1795
01:25:03,848 --> 01:25:05,767
Congressman Jordan,
great to have you.

1796
01:25:07,727 --> 01:25:09,312
I don't agree with his politics

1797
01:25:09,395 --> 01:25:12,732
but I still was proud of him
as my college coach.

1798
01:25:13,316 --> 01:25:15,610
He had ideals

1799
01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:17,362
and he had honor.

1800
01:25:17,946 --> 01:25:20,573
Discipline is doing
what you don't want to do

1801
01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:22,367
when you don't want to do it.

1802
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,202
Doing things the right way

1803
01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:26,246
when you'd rather do 'em
the convenient way.

1804
01:25:26,329 --> 01:25:29,124
Your experts knew the truth.
Your spokesperson knew.

1805
01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:31,626
But what troubles me more is
I think you knew the truth.

1806
01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:32,919
He was a pit bull.

1807
01:25:33,044 --> 01:25:35,213
And so, I figured

1808
01:25:35,296 --> 01:25:37,757
that why in the hell
wouldn't this guy

1809
01:25:37,841 --> 01:25:39,926
step up for us, you know?

1810
01:25:40,009 --> 01:25:42,262
-Did you remember Dr. Strauss?
-Yeah.

1811
01:25:42,846 --> 01:25:45,431
You know, knew-knew, uh, the doctor.

1812
01:25:45,515 --> 01:25:46,850
And Jim Jordan didn't.

1813
01:25:46,933 --> 01:25:48,852
But there is no truth to the fact

1814
01:25:48,935 --> 01:25:51,271
that-that I knew of any abuse.

1815
01:25:51,354 --> 01:25:53,565
Uh, or I've talked to other coaches,

1816
01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,024
they didn't know of any abuse.

1817
01:25:55,108 --> 01:25:56,609
Um, it just-- there just--

1818
01:25:56,693 --> 01:25:58,403
That's just not accurate
to say those things.

1819
01:25:58,486 --> 01:25:59,904
That we knew of it
and didn't report it

1820
01:25:59,988 --> 01:26:01,489
is just not true.

1821
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,159
There's no way that he didn't know.

1822
01:26:04,742 --> 01:26:06,911
Did he know something?
Everybody knew something.

1823
01:26:06,995 --> 01:26:08,538
So, do I think he knew?

1824
01:26:08,663 --> 01:26:09,914
I think everybody knew.

1825
01:26:09,998 --> 01:26:11,624
Did it make me angry? Yes.

1826
01:26:11,708 --> 01:26:13,710
How do you characterize
the accusations

1827
01:26:13,793 --> 01:26:16,004
against Strauss, uh, against him?

1828
01:26:16,087 --> 01:26:18,047
Um, you know...

1829
01:26:18,673 --> 01:26:20,592
All I know is I never knew
of any abuse

1830
01:26:20,675 --> 01:26:22,552
from Dr. Strauss, plain and simple.

1831
01:26:23,344 --> 01:26:26,389
To say that he knew nothing,
that nothing ever happened,

1832
01:26:26,472 --> 01:26:29,601
it's a flat-out lie.
It is a flat-out lie.

1833
01:26:29,684 --> 01:26:32,061
We are now joined
by Congressman Jordan.

1834
01:26:32,145 --> 01:26:34,772
The first time dealing
with all of this in detail.

1835
01:26:34,856 --> 01:26:37,275
Your reaction, first, to all of this.

1836
01:26:37,358 --> 01:26:39,444
The guys that are saying this thing,

1837
01:26:39,527 --> 01:26:41,154
I know they know the truth.

1838
01:26:41,237 --> 01:26:42,322
I know they do.

1839
01:26:42,405 --> 01:26:44,115
I never saw, never heard of,

1840
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,451
never was told about
any type of abuse.

1841
01:26:46,576 --> 01:26:48,369
-If I had been...
- I know for a fact

1842
01:26:48,453 --> 01:26:50,580
how many conversations
that Jimmy's had

1843
01:26:50,663 --> 01:26:52,332
about Dr. Strauss.

1844
01:26:52,415 --> 01:26:54,542
Conversations in the locker room
are a lot different

1845
01:26:54,626 --> 01:26:57,253
than someone coming up to you
and saying there was abuse.

1846
01:26:57,337 --> 01:26:59,172
So did you hear it
in the locker room?

1847
01:26:59,255 --> 01:27:01,090
No. We did not hear that.

1848
01:27:01,174 --> 01:27:03,593
-'Cause if we had...
-Something short of abuse

1849
01:27:03,676 --> 01:27:06,012
that-that-that may be
considered abuse now

1850
01:27:06,095 --> 01:27:08,598
-in this current time?
-Did not. Did not.

1851
01:27:08,681 --> 01:27:10,725
I wasn't beside Jim
in his locker room,

1852
01:27:10,808 --> 01:27:13,311
so I don't know what he knew,

1853
01:27:13,394 --> 01:27:15,188
but I knew what he said to me,

1854
01:27:15,271 --> 01:27:16,940
and that's why I knew he knew,

1855
01:27:17,023 --> 01:27:19,901
'cause when he said,
"It's Strauss, you know that,"

1856
01:27:19,984 --> 01:27:23,279
that told me-- he couldn't
have said that without knowing

1857
01:27:23,363 --> 01:27:25,573
what Strauss was and who he was.

1858
01:27:25,698 --> 01:27:26,950
That's why.

1859
01:27:28,868 --> 01:27:31,579
And maybe Jimmy thought
it was just gonna go away.

1860
01:27:31,663 --> 01:27:33,248
-And it didn't.
-Jim Jordan denies

1861
01:27:33,331 --> 01:27:36,292
any wrongdoing
in that OSU wrestling case,

1862
01:27:36,376 --> 01:27:39,087
but the controversy,
the scandal, has not abated.

1863
01:27:39,170 --> 01:27:41,130
Instead, people perked up

1864
01:27:41,214 --> 01:27:43,258
and then it became a big deal.

1865
01:27:43,341 --> 01:27:45,093
Representative Jim Jordan

1866
01:27:45,176 --> 01:27:46,928
has been accused
of covering up sexual abuse.

1867
01:27:47,011 --> 01:27:49,055
Jim Jordan has said in response...

1868
01:27:49,138 --> 01:27:52,225
Jim Jordan, who was
a wrestling coach at the time...

1869
01:27:52,308 --> 01:27:54,602
They talked to Jordan about it
and he didn't do anything.

1870
01:27:54,686 --> 01:27:56,980
Once it got legs
and it started going,

1871
01:27:57,063 --> 01:28:00,650
more people came out and said,
"Yes, this is what happened.

1872
01:28:00,733 --> 01:28:03,444
Absolutely, this is what--
This is my experience."

1873
01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:06,155
Tonight, more former Buckeye
wrestlers are coming forward.

1874
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:08,533
-More victims coming forward.
-University announced today...

1875
01:28:08,616 --> 01:28:11,286
There was a thought that
it was the tip of the iceberg.

1876
01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:14,539
And that's when Jordan
started calling everybody.

1877
01:28:15,999 --> 01:28:18,543
He actually started calling
all the wrestlers.

1878
01:28:18,668 --> 01:28:20,628
Even called Adam DiSabato,

1879
01:28:20,712 --> 01:28:22,588
Mike DiSabato's brother.

1880
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:24,632
Eight in the morning,

1881
01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:26,384
and my phone starts blowing up.

1882
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:28,970
And I answer it, and he's like,

1883
01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:30,680
"Hey, Adam, this is Jim Jordan."

1884
01:28:30,763 --> 01:28:32,056
I'm like...

1885
01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:35,643
He was talking to me for a half hour

1886
01:28:35,727 --> 01:28:38,062
about if I'll come out publicly,

1887
01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:41,232
defend him and say this isn't true.

1888
01:28:41,899 --> 01:28:44,360
He's literally crying on the phone.

1889
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,365
He don't give a fuck about me
or none of us.

1890
01:28:49,449 --> 01:28:51,075
And he's wanting me to defend him

1891
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:52,744
against my fucking brother.

1892
01:28:57,332 --> 01:28:59,792
I mean, that's insane.

1893
01:29:03,171 --> 01:29:05,923
And I figured
that Jimmy's probably talking

1894
01:29:05,965 --> 01:29:07,675
to Russ too.

1895
01:29:07,759 --> 01:29:09,177
And, sure enough,

1896
01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:11,179
Russ disappeared into silence.

1897
01:29:11,846 --> 01:29:13,890
He never wrote any letter.

1898
01:29:13,973 --> 01:29:16,184
He didn't offer any support.

1899
01:29:16,267 --> 01:29:18,436
He completely turned his back on us.

1900
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:22,273
I propped him up on a pedestal
like he was my dad,

1901
01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:24,525
and-and...

1902
01:29:24,609 --> 01:29:25,610
it sucks.

1903
01:29:26,986 --> 01:29:29,697
Russ said he'd be there
standing up for us,

1904
01:29:29,781 --> 01:29:32,742
and he took a different tack.

1905
01:29:34,118 --> 01:29:36,245
I tried for a very long time

1906
01:29:36,329 --> 01:29:39,332
to get a one-on-one interview
with Congressman Jordan,

1907
01:29:39,415 --> 01:29:42,168
and his office would not set that up.

1908
01:29:42,251 --> 01:29:44,837
So I found out
that he was going to be

1909
01:29:44,921 --> 01:29:48,007
at the Honda plant, and I showed up.

1910
01:29:48,091 --> 01:29:49,967
Athletes like Dan Ritchie says

1911
01:29:50,051 --> 01:29:52,970
Dr. Strauss had a locker
two down from yours.

1912
01:29:53,054 --> 01:29:55,098
How were you not aware
that he was in there

1913
01:29:55,181 --> 01:29:57,225
taking a shower every day

1914
01:29:57,308 --> 01:29:59,519
and pleasuring himself
in front of these students,

1915
01:29:59,602 --> 01:30:01,229
when they all knew about it?

1916
01:30:01,729 --> 01:30:03,439
I guess he seemed resentful

1917
01:30:03,523 --> 01:30:05,691
that he was being questioned
about this.

1918
01:30:05,775 --> 01:30:07,652
This is ridiculous.
I've stood up to the--

1919
01:30:07,735 --> 01:30:09,570
to the FBI, I've stood up to the IRS.

1920
01:30:09,654 --> 01:30:11,280
So if I think-- if I thought

1921
01:30:11,364 --> 01:30:13,241
there was something wrong
or if I knew there was

1922
01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:15,410
something wrong happening,
I would've stood up for 'em.

1923
01:30:15,493 --> 01:30:17,495
-You didn't see anything?
-That's why every--

1924
01:30:17,620 --> 01:30:20,581
No, I did not. And that's why
every single coach and...

1925
01:30:20,665 --> 01:30:23,668
"No one ever told me. I had no idea.

1926
01:30:23,751 --> 01:30:25,461
Nope, that never happened."

1927
01:30:26,462 --> 01:30:29,799
And then came the bombshell of May.

1928
01:30:30,466 --> 01:30:32,593
Uh, good afternoon.
Today, I want to provide

1929
01:30:32,677 --> 01:30:34,429
some, uh, comments and thoughts

1930
01:30:34,512 --> 01:30:38,516
on the report issued Friday
by Ohio State University

1931
01:30:38,599 --> 01:30:40,226
regarding, um,

1932
01:30:40,309 --> 01:30:43,020
the situation with
the late Dr. Richard Strauss.

1933
01:30:43,771 --> 01:30:46,691
The yearlong
independent investigation

1934
01:30:46,774 --> 01:30:50,736
that OSU had paid for
was finally released.

1935
01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:52,447
This investigation

1936
01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:55,199
was a good thing for them to do,

1937
01:30:55,324 --> 01:30:58,077
but the results were so unexpected

1938
01:30:58,202 --> 01:31:01,247
and so deeply troubling.

1939
01:31:02,665 --> 01:31:05,543
The Strauss report
detailed acts of sexual abuse

1940
01:31:05,626 --> 01:31:09,464
against at least 177 former students

1941
01:31:09,547 --> 01:31:12,049
between 1978 and 1998,

1942
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:14,969
and undoubtedly there are
many other victims out there

1943
01:31:15,052 --> 01:31:17,305
who have not come forward.

1944
01:31:17,388 --> 01:31:20,308
When you see it all
laid out in black and white

1945
01:31:20,391 --> 01:31:22,101
and you see the numbers,

1946
01:31:22,185 --> 01:31:23,811
it just broke my heart.

1947
01:31:25,229 --> 01:31:27,315
I had no clue

1948
01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:29,692
how far the ripple effect had gone.

1949
01:31:29,775 --> 01:31:31,944
I had no clue, and so,

1950
01:31:32,987 --> 01:31:35,156
when I read it, I'm like,
"Holy-- holy shit."

1951
01:31:37,408 --> 01:31:38,951
Holy shit.

1952
01:31:39,035 --> 01:31:41,078
I knew our experience,
I knew my experience,

1953
01:31:41,162 --> 01:31:42,663
I knew Mike's experience,

1954
01:31:42,747 --> 01:31:44,957
I knew a few other
of the guys' experiences.

1955
01:31:45,041 --> 01:31:47,335
I didn't know the extent
of those experiences

1956
01:31:47,418 --> 01:31:49,086
nor the scope.

1957
01:31:50,296 --> 01:31:52,757
I read the report
from cover to cover,

1958
01:31:53,382 --> 01:31:55,301
and the more I read,

1959
01:31:55,384 --> 01:31:56,677
the more pissed I got.

1960
01:31:58,846 --> 01:32:01,849
We should all be disgusted.

1961
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:05,686
The complaints and reports
about this sexual abuse

1962
01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:08,272
were not reported
to higher authorities

1963
01:32:08,356 --> 01:32:10,233
by the athletic department

1964
01:32:10,316 --> 01:32:13,027
or Ohio State University's
Student Health Center

1965
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:15,071
until 1996,

1966
01:32:15,154 --> 01:32:18,783
more than 15 years
after the first reports

1967
01:32:18,866 --> 01:32:21,202
were, in fact, received.

1968
01:32:21,327 --> 01:32:25,289
The most startling thing
was just how many people

1969
01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:27,875
who were in a position to stop it

1970
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,752
knew about it and did nothing.

1971
01:32:29,877 --> 01:32:31,629
An independent report found

1972
01:32:31,671 --> 01:32:33,673
that Ohio State University
had knowledge

1973
01:32:33,756 --> 01:32:35,925
that a doctor
sexually abused students

1974
01:32:36,008 --> 01:32:38,094
dating as far back as the late '70s.

1975
01:32:38,177 --> 01:32:40,888
The report found
Strauss's behavior was

1976
01:32:40,972 --> 01:32:43,891
an "open secret"
to more than 50 staff members

1977
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:46,644
in Ohio State's athletic department.

1978
01:32:46,727 --> 01:32:48,521
They were aware,

1979
01:32:48,604 --> 01:32:50,106
and they covered it up.

1980
01:32:50,189 --> 01:32:52,275
They covered it up.

1981
01:32:53,693 --> 01:32:55,570
It's truly amazing

1982
01:32:55,653 --> 01:32:58,823
how many people
had to look the other way

1983
01:32:58,906 --> 01:33:01,367
for him to get away with this
that long.

1984
01:33:04,495 --> 01:33:06,080
...the OSU investigation,

1985
01:33:06,163 --> 01:33:07,707
the allegations
could affect your run?

1986
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:09,083
Anyone can see through that story.

1987
01:33:09,166 --> 01:33:10,418
I've talked to numerous colleagues

1988
01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:11,961
and they can all see through that.

1989
01:33:12,044 --> 01:33:13,629
Are you concerned at all?

1990
01:33:13,713 --> 01:33:15,256
The congressman said again

1991
01:33:15,339 --> 01:33:17,174
he has denied ever knowing

1992
01:33:17,258 --> 01:33:18,426
about this abuse, denied...

1993
01:33:18,509 --> 01:33:19,969
Jim Jordan's a coward.

1994
01:33:21,304 --> 01:33:22,513
He's a coward.

1995
01:33:22,597 --> 01:33:23,973
He's not a leader.

1996
01:33:24,056 --> 01:33:25,224
He's a coward.

1997
01:33:26,142 --> 01:33:27,852
He abandoned us.

1998
01:33:27,935 --> 01:33:29,604
Our head coach abandoned us.

1999
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,106
This is disgusting.

2000
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:39,030
I saw Russ at a wrestling event,
and he walked in.

2001
01:33:39,113 --> 01:33:41,282
He's that, you know, that presence.

2002
01:33:41,365 --> 01:33:42,783
And he goes,
"Hey, Fred, how are you?"

2003
01:33:42,867 --> 01:33:44,285
I shook his hand, I said, "Hey, Russ.

2004
01:33:44,368 --> 01:33:46,495
Russ, when are you gonna tell
the truth?"

2005
01:33:47,455 --> 01:33:48,748
Yeah. And he just stopped.

2006
01:33:48,831 --> 01:33:50,249
He goes, "Fred, I'm not going there."

2007
01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:52,043
He goes, "But you have a good day."

2008
01:33:52,168 --> 01:33:54,003
And he... he walked away,

2009
01:33:54,086 --> 01:33:56,047
and I haven't talked to him since.

2010
01:33:59,050 --> 01:34:00,926
You know,
early on, when this came out,

2011
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:03,220
I had an opportunity
to speak to the media

2012
01:34:03,304 --> 01:34:04,889
and I didn't choose to,

2013
01:34:04,972 --> 01:34:06,724
and I-I finally chose to

2014
01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:08,851
because Russ didn't.

2015
01:34:09,685 --> 01:34:11,520
Um, Jim Jordan didn't.

2016
01:34:12,104 --> 01:34:13,731
And, you know,
the people that you thought

2017
01:34:13,814 --> 01:34:15,149
would be there standing up for you,

2018
01:34:16,692 --> 01:34:17,777
they didn't.

2019
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:19,278
And so I-I decided

2020
01:34:19,362 --> 01:34:21,197
that I was gonna say something.

2021
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,616
And I did it at the
Board of Trustees meeting.

2022
01:34:23,699 --> 01:34:25,534
I didn't want to go to the newspaper.

2023
01:34:25,618 --> 01:34:27,828
I didn't want to say anything.
I felt this would be the place

2024
01:34:27,912 --> 01:34:30,456
because I care about Ohio State.

2025
01:34:30,539 --> 01:34:32,041
I am someone...

2026
01:34:50,726 --> 01:34:52,561
I bleed scarlet and gray.

2027
01:34:56,315 --> 01:34:59,110
The best time of my life was
to wrestle for the Buckeyes.

2028
01:35:00,528 --> 01:35:01,821
I've been seeing things

2029
01:35:01,904 --> 01:35:03,864
that have been written
on social media.

2030
01:35:03,989 --> 01:35:06,075
I almost feel like I'm not a victim,

2031
01:35:06,909 --> 01:35:08,744
I was the problem.

2032
01:35:08,869 --> 01:35:11,372
I'm not the problem.
We weren't the problem.

2033
01:35:12,081 --> 01:35:13,124
Some...

2034
01:35:14,208 --> 01:35:15,751
bad man was the problem.

2035
01:35:15,835 --> 01:35:18,671
And we just want you guys

2036
01:35:18,754 --> 01:35:20,089
to do the right thing

2037
01:35:20,172 --> 01:35:21,632
so we can move on.

2038
01:35:22,216 --> 01:35:24,260
I appreciate you guys
giving us the time

2039
01:35:24,343 --> 01:35:25,511
to come up here and speak.

2040
01:35:27,388 --> 01:35:28,723
Mike Schyck

2041
01:35:29,598 --> 01:35:31,475
said, "I'm coming up there
and I'm talking

2042
01:35:31,559 --> 01:35:33,978
to the Board of Trustees."

2043
01:35:34,061 --> 01:35:35,563
I'm like, "Okay.

2044
01:35:35,646 --> 01:35:37,940
All right. I'm with you.
I'll do it too."

2045
01:35:38,649 --> 01:35:41,444
And I got up there
and I told my story.

2046
01:35:42,278 --> 01:35:43,988
Between the fall of 1988

2047
01:35:44,947 --> 01:35:46,991
until the fall of 1992,

2048
01:35:47,116 --> 01:35:49,827
I was subjected to a sexual predator

2049
01:35:49,952 --> 01:35:52,121
under the guise of a team doctor

2050
01:35:52,204 --> 01:35:54,582
in the employ of this university.

2051
01:35:55,541 --> 01:35:57,126
And based on your own report,

2052
01:35:57,251 --> 01:35:58,753
this university knew.

2053
01:35:58,836 --> 01:36:00,755
It knew prior to my enrollment

2054
01:36:00,838 --> 01:36:02,131
and it knew after.

2055
01:36:03,716 --> 01:36:07,428
We were let down
by this university before,

2056
01:36:07,511 --> 01:36:09,054
and ultimately, it's your decision

2057
01:36:09,138 --> 01:36:11,390
on how you proceed from here.

2058
01:36:11,474 --> 01:36:13,601
So I leave you with this question:

2059
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:17,438
Are you going to let us down
again or do the right thing?

2060
01:36:17,521 --> 01:36:18,731
I thank you.

2061
01:36:20,274 --> 01:36:22,735
Rest assured that this board
is not dismissing you.

2062
01:36:22,818 --> 01:36:24,028
MICHAEL GASSER CHAIRMAN,
OSU BOARD OF TRUSTEES 2012 - 2019

2063
01:36:24,111 --> 01:36:26,030
We're committed
to doing the right thing.

2064
01:36:27,323 --> 01:36:30,743
In public, OSU expresses contrition.

2065
01:36:30,826 --> 01:36:34,038
We at The Ohio State University
are deeply sorry

2066
01:36:34,121 --> 01:36:37,082
for Strauss's abuse decades ago.

2067
01:36:37,166 --> 01:36:38,876
This was reprehensible,

2068
01:36:38,959 --> 01:36:42,379
and the university's failure to act
at the time is inexcusable.

2069
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:46,884
We acknowledge
the university's failures

2070
01:36:46,967 --> 01:36:49,220
during Strauss's time at Ohio State.

2071
01:36:49,303 --> 01:36:52,515
But this was manipulation,
lying, and deceit.

2072
01:36:52,598 --> 01:36:54,391
Behind the scenes,

2073
01:36:54,475 --> 01:36:57,728
they begin fighting us
tooth and nail.

2074
01:37:00,689 --> 01:37:03,526
Ohio State, while professing
to do the right thing,

2075
01:37:03,609 --> 01:37:05,611
actually moves to dismiss
the entire case

2076
01:37:05,694 --> 01:37:07,404
on statute of limitations grounds.

2077
01:37:07,488 --> 01:37:09,031
Under Ohio law,

2078
01:37:09,114 --> 01:37:10,991
you have two years
to bring a lawsuit.

2079
01:37:11,075 --> 01:37:13,327
It happened more than two years ago,

2080
01:37:13,452 --> 01:37:15,246
therefore you're out of luck.

2081
01:37:16,121 --> 01:37:18,582
The statute of limitations defense is

2082
01:37:18,666 --> 01:37:21,293
sort of the last refuge of scoundrels

2083
01:37:21,377 --> 01:37:22,711
in sexual abuse cases.

2084
01:37:24,046 --> 01:37:26,048
We've seen it
from the Catholic Church.

2085
01:37:26,131 --> 01:37:28,092
We've seen it from the Boy Scouts.

2086
01:37:28,175 --> 01:37:30,678
We see this from all sorts
of organizations

2087
01:37:30,761 --> 01:37:33,430
that are trying to avoid
accountability.

2088
01:37:34,014 --> 01:37:36,350
And that's OSU's defense.

2089
01:37:36,433 --> 01:37:39,270
Basically, we were so successful

2090
01:37:39,353 --> 01:37:41,981
in hiding Dr. Strauss's abuse

2091
01:37:42,064 --> 01:37:44,275
that it's too late
for you now to sue us.

2092
01:37:45,526 --> 01:37:48,362
Shock and anger
from hundreds of plaintiffs

2093
01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:49,780
who have objected

2094
01:37:49,864 --> 01:37:51,699
to the university's request

2095
01:37:51,782 --> 01:37:53,909
that their lawsuit be dismissed

2096
01:37:54,034 --> 01:37:56,537
based on the statute of limitations.

2097
01:37:56,620 --> 01:37:59,123
I think when their own study revealed

2098
01:37:59,206 --> 01:38:02,585
just how many people were involved

2099
01:38:02,668 --> 01:38:05,713
and just how big this problem was,

2100
01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:07,006
they panicked.

2101
01:38:07,548 --> 01:38:09,216
It was a devastating report,

2102
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:10,801
and as we now know,

2103
01:38:10,885 --> 01:38:13,178
the 177 survivors

2104
01:38:13,262 --> 01:38:16,765
was a very small fraction
of the true number.

2105
01:38:17,349 --> 01:38:18,851
It's in the thousands.

2106
01:38:20,227 --> 01:38:21,812
It's mind-boggling.

2107
01:38:23,314 --> 01:38:27,776
It was a total and complete cover-up

2108
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:30,362
at the highest levels
of the university.

2109
01:38:31,363 --> 01:38:32,907
I mean, if there's one thing

2110
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:34,992
OSU is good at,

2111
01:38:35,075 --> 01:38:36,994
other than football,

2112
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:38,662
it's deceit.

2113
01:38:41,665 --> 01:38:44,919
Their strategy was,
"We are going to say,

2114
01:38:45,044 --> 01:38:46,670
'You waited too long.'"

2115
01:38:46,754 --> 01:38:48,839
But what they didn't count on

2116
01:38:48,923 --> 01:38:51,759
was a federal judge
taking a look at this

2117
01:38:51,842 --> 01:38:54,803
and saying, "The survivors are right.

2118
01:38:54,887 --> 01:38:58,515
Ohio State actively tried
to hide this.

2119
01:38:58,599 --> 01:39:01,852
They protected this predator."

2120
01:39:03,812 --> 01:39:08,025
And they struck down OSU's
statute of limitations defense.

2121
01:39:08,651 --> 01:39:11,320
And suddenly, I think
some powerful people

2122
01:39:11,403 --> 01:39:12,446
got nervous.

2123
01:39:13,197 --> 01:39:15,699
New at 11,
The Ohio State University today

2124
01:39:15,783 --> 01:39:17,660
notified a federal district court

2125
01:39:17,785 --> 01:39:20,079
of its intention to set up
what it's calling

2126
01:39:20,162 --> 01:39:22,998
the Strauss Individual
Settlement Program,

2127
01:39:23,123 --> 01:39:25,584
bringing an end
to about half the claims

2128
01:39:25,709 --> 01:39:27,544
filed against the university.

2129
01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:30,965
OSU put forward a pot of money

2130
01:39:31,048 --> 01:39:32,883
for survivors,

2131
01:39:32,967 --> 01:39:35,052
a sum that differed significantly

2132
01:39:35,135 --> 01:39:37,179
from that offered
by other universities

2133
01:39:37,262 --> 01:39:40,307
facing their own
sexual abuse scandals.

2134
01:39:40,391 --> 01:39:42,851
Penn State, Michigan State,

2135
01:39:42,935 --> 01:39:44,353
have held themselves accountable

2136
01:39:45,187 --> 01:39:46,981
in a way that OSU has not.

2137
01:39:48,983 --> 01:39:52,444
Plainly, OSU is not treating
sexual abuse survivors

2138
01:39:52,528 --> 01:39:54,655
the way other universities have.

2139
01:39:55,698 --> 01:39:57,491
Because we were male athletes.

2140
01:39:58,534 --> 01:39:59,785
That's why we're here.

2141
01:40:00,995 --> 01:40:03,163
That's why we're not
acknowledged the same way.

2142
01:40:04,373 --> 01:40:06,291
So guys would sit around

2143
01:40:06,417 --> 01:40:08,794
conscious of, "What are we doing

2144
01:40:08,877 --> 01:40:12,339
to male sexual abuse victims
if we take this lower number?"

2145
01:40:14,008 --> 01:40:15,634
We could've settled.

2146
01:40:17,886 --> 01:40:19,972
I could've signed
the agreement and-and, um,

2147
01:40:20,055 --> 01:40:21,765
and been on my way
and said, "Whatever."

2148
01:40:22,641 --> 01:40:24,268
But beyond the low number

2149
01:40:24,351 --> 01:40:26,228
and what that signified,
I read in there

2150
01:40:26,311 --> 01:40:28,981
that they were gonna take
no accountability

2151
01:40:29,064 --> 01:40:32,484
for what was done at all.

2152
01:40:32,568 --> 01:40:34,445
"We deny any wrongdoing."

2153
01:40:34,528 --> 01:40:36,071
That was written in there.

2154
01:40:36,155 --> 01:40:37,656
It's like, "Really?"

2155
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:40,117
This is what they call
a settlement program.

2156
01:40:40,242 --> 01:40:42,036
That's what they tried
to bully us into.

2157
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:44,204
That sounds like a great deal, OSU.

2158
01:40:44,288 --> 01:40:45,831
But that's not what they tell people.

2159
01:40:45,956 --> 01:40:48,834
They tell people,
"Oh, he chose not to settle."

2160
01:40:52,963 --> 01:40:55,049
But, you know, in spite of all this,

2161
01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:57,926
I still want to give
olive branches and opportunity

2162
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:59,887
to, like, make these things right.

2163
01:41:00,846 --> 01:41:04,433
'Cause at the end of the day,
we're all Buckeyes.

2164
01:41:04,516 --> 01:41:06,560
We had this feeling that we are here

2165
01:41:06,643 --> 01:41:08,520
to bring your university down.

2166
01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:11,690
We are not here to do that.

2167
01:41:12,316 --> 01:41:14,568
I love this university.

2168
01:41:14,651 --> 01:41:16,320
We can do things great together

2169
01:41:16,403 --> 01:41:19,198
if we can all come back together
and if you can make this right.

2170
01:41:21,241 --> 01:41:23,035
So I thank you for your time.

2171
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:24,244
O-H.

2172
01:41:29,416 --> 01:41:31,376
I said, "O-H."

2173
01:41:31,460 --> 01:41:33,921
And someone's supposed to say, "I-O."

2174
01:41:35,881 --> 01:41:37,091
And they didn't.

2175
01:41:40,219 --> 01:41:42,304
And, like I told you,
if you say that to somebody

2176
01:41:42,387 --> 01:41:43,889
and they don't say, "I-O,"
you're like,

2177
01:41:43,972 --> 01:41:45,432
"You're not a Buckeye."

2178
01:41:47,059 --> 01:41:48,644
You're something different.

2179
01:41:53,148 --> 01:41:55,901
Ohio State still has no understanding

2180
01:41:56,026 --> 01:41:57,778
and has failed to acknowledge

2181
01:41:57,861 --> 01:42:00,656
the actual devastation
they have caused

2182
01:42:00,739 --> 01:42:02,741
thousands of men.

2183
01:42:02,825 --> 01:42:03,909
Thousands of men.

2184
01:42:04,868 --> 01:42:06,578
High divorce rates,

2185
01:42:06,662 --> 01:42:08,455
high substance-abuse problems,

2186
01:42:08,539 --> 01:42:10,040
whether it be alcohol or drugs.

2187
01:42:10,124 --> 01:42:12,751
We've had several suicide attempts.

2188
01:42:14,044 --> 01:42:15,629
And I don't know one guy

2189
01:42:15,712 --> 01:42:17,589
that regularly goes to a doctor.

2190
01:42:17,673 --> 01:42:18,674
None of 'em.

2191
01:42:19,466 --> 01:42:20,968
It's really bad.

2192
01:42:25,597 --> 01:42:27,266
You know, you-you-you do think

2193
01:42:27,349 --> 01:42:29,309
about the woulda-been,
coulda-been, shoulda-been club

2194
01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:30,686
because you are part of that.

2195
01:42:30,769 --> 01:42:32,646
And that's-- I can't let myself

2196
01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:35,315
go there very often
because it-it's not fun.

2197
01:42:39,945 --> 01:42:40,946
Yeah.

2198
01:42:45,784 --> 01:42:47,786
You know, somebody asked
one time, they said,

2199
01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:50,330
"Are you a survivor
or are you a victim?"

2200
01:42:50,455 --> 01:42:53,000
And they wanted to make
that terminology distinct.

2201
01:42:53,125 --> 01:42:55,294
And I had to think about it,
and I thought, "You know what,

2202
01:42:55,377 --> 01:42:57,212
I'm a survivor of sexual assault,

2203
01:42:57,296 --> 01:42:58,922
but I'm a victim of OSU."

2204
01:43:12,227 --> 01:43:13,729
Attorneys for the plaintiffs

2205
01:43:13,812 --> 01:43:16,106
believe what OSU really wants to do

2206
01:43:16,190 --> 01:43:18,442
is delay or even block this case

2207
01:43:18,525 --> 01:43:20,736
from going to trial, and OSU...

2208
01:43:20,819 --> 01:43:22,654
If they want to keep spending money

2209
01:43:22,738 --> 01:43:24,948
to fight us in court,
then we'll keep going.

2210
01:43:25,032 --> 01:43:27,534
If we have to go another five
years, I'll go another five years.

2211
01:43:27,618 --> 01:43:29,036
If we go ten, I'll go another ten.

2212
01:43:31,288 --> 01:43:33,290
Accountability is necessary.

2213
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:37,419
People ask,
"Do you want money out of this?"

2214
01:43:37,544 --> 01:43:40,047
Yeah, you know what, I do,
and I'll tell you why.

2215
01:43:40,130 --> 01:43:42,049
You punish somebody,

2216
01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:45,969
you give 'em a $5 fine
and say, "Don't do it again,"

2217
01:43:46,053 --> 01:43:48,263
they're gonna come back.,
"$5, that's fine.

2218
01:43:48,347 --> 01:43:50,974
Here, here's $5,"
and they're gonna do it again.

2219
01:43:51,058 --> 01:43:53,101
You hit 'em where it counts,
and that's

2220
01:43:53,185 --> 01:43:55,646
the money that they have to shell out

2221
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:57,898
because they did not protect

2222
01:43:57,981 --> 01:44:00,525
the athletes
they were supposed to protect

2223
01:44:00,609 --> 01:44:02,694
when they brought 'em here
to compete for them.

2224
01:44:02,778 --> 01:44:05,405
So, yes, I want them to pay out.

2225
01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:10,911
LEMON BAY HIGH SCHOOL
ENGLEWOOD, FLORIDA

2226
01:44:11,662 --> 01:44:13,705
This is my seventh year as coach,

2227
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:15,290
and I'm a firm believer

2228
01:44:15,415 --> 01:44:17,751
that this sport teaches
like no other.

2229
01:44:22,881 --> 01:44:25,259
You build these relationships
with these guys

2230
01:44:25,342 --> 01:44:28,720
probably just as solid as
a parent to your kid, you know?

2231
01:44:30,889 --> 01:44:33,225
And they get to that point
where they trust you.

2232
01:44:33,308 --> 01:44:35,435
And it's so special.

2233
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,563
I can't even fathom

2234
01:44:38,647 --> 01:44:41,733
not being there for my-- my guys.

2235
01:44:43,068 --> 01:44:44,069
Wow.

2236
01:44:52,911 --> 01:44:54,246
In my wrestling room,

2237
01:44:55,122 --> 01:44:59,209
we've got a wall that's got
a word, "integrity."

2238
01:45:00,711 --> 01:45:03,005
It's what I preach to my guys.

2239
01:45:04,298 --> 01:45:06,174
It's what truly defines you.

2240
01:45:10,929 --> 01:45:12,389
The Ohio State University is home

2241
01:45:12,472 --> 01:45:15,183
to one of the largest athletic
departments in the nation.

2242
01:45:15,267 --> 01:45:18,020
Since 2018, when the survivors
of Dr. Strauss filed suit,

2243
01:45:18,103 --> 01:45:22,816
Ohio State’s Department of Athletics
has reported total revenue

2244
01:45:22,899 --> 01:45:24,943
of over $1.2 billion.

2245
01:45:36,580 --> 01:45:38,498
Representative Jim Jordan
did not respond

2246
01:45:38,582 --> 01:45:41,251
to the filmmakers’ request
for an interview.

2247
01:45:41,335 --> 01:45:43,712
Russ Hellickson did not respond

2248
01:45:43,795 --> 01:45:47,674
to the filmmakers’ request
for an interview.

2249
01:45:54,014 --> 01:45:57,309
Ohio State declined the filmmakers’
request for an interview

2250
01:45:57,392 --> 01:46:01,521
with a member
of their Board of Trustees.

2251
01:46:06,526 --> 01:46:10,364
In March 2023, Ohio State petitioned
the Supreme Court to hear their case,

2252
01:46:10,447 --> 01:46:11,990
citing the statute of limitations
as their defense.

2253
01:46:12,074 --> 01:46:17,537
In June 2023, the Supreme Court
declined to hear the case.

2254
01:46:18,705 --> 01:46:21,124
The case was sent back
to the District Court

2255
01:46:21,208 --> 01:46:23,043
for further proceedings.



