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[crowd cheering]

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[bright, dramatic music playing]

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[man 1] Growing up in Ohio,

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everyone wants to be a Buckeye.

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Ohio State is an identity
of winning,

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and that's what we're about.

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[man 2] The impact
of Ohio State's

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athletic department

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cannot be exaggerated.

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It's such a point of pride.

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-O-H.
-I-O!

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-O-H!
-[crowd] I-O!

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-O-H!
-[crowd] I-O!

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[man 2] It was and still is

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one of the best equipped,
most well-funded,

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most lavish athletic
departments in the country.

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It's the gold standard
for college sports.

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If you're a Buckeye athlete
at Ohio State,

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you are a superhero.

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[man 1] I was so proud
to be a Buckeye.

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It was a big, big deal.

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[man 3] We were like, "We are
Ohio State athletes here."

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That was what it was all about.

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We bled OSU.

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[man 4] The Buckeyes
are a religion.

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We believed
in The Ohio State University.

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We believed
in the scarlet and gray...

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[music fades]

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...until we learned the truth.

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[dark, eerie music playing]

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[static]

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[dark, grim music continues]

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Sexual misconduct allegations,
40 years in the making

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at The Ohio State University.

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[female anchor]
Ohio State is investigating

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a former trainer
for the Buckeye wrestling team.

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The trainer,
Dr. Richard Strauss.

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Tonight, only on 4,

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the victim who says
he's one who sparked

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the investigation

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and is opening up
about those allegations.

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When I started reporting
on the initial story in 2018,

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it focused on one man,

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a wrestler
at The Ohio State University,

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who alleged he'd been abused
by a team doctor.

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My initial reaction was,
"Can that be true?

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I wonder if that's true."

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But what he was saying
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that a university doctor

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had sexually molested
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but other athletes as well,

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and this had gone on
for decades.

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And, sure enough, others
started coming forward.

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Another former
Ohio State student has...

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Two more former Buckeye
wrestlers have come forward...

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More victims coming forward

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with allegations against a...

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And that just opened
the floodgates for me.

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[Kendrick] New details tonight
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sexual misconduct involving

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an OSU wrestling team doctor.

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[Marshall] Who was
this accused doctor?

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I had trouble finding
any information about him.

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It's very difficult
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of this Dr. Richard Strauss.

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The university itself
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of photographic evidence
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He's like an enigma.

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It's weird.

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It almost felt like
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And that made this
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You know, we've always been
proudly a Buckeye family.

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When I dropped my son off
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at The Ohio State University

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when he was 18 years old,

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my first one to leave the nest,

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I cried after I left the dorm,

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but I thought, "Well,
at least he's in good hands.

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He's at
The Ohio State University."

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All of these men
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I want to know why
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how a sexual predator

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could've been allowed
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for 20 years.

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How did it happen?

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[inhales]

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[exhales]

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[man] When the Ohio State
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my first thought was,

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"I don't know if I want
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You know, this is... this is
going down a rabbit hole

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I'm not prepared for right now."

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[grunts]

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And so I left it alone.

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I'm a public school teacher,

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and one day,

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I'm-I'm sitting in-in, uh,
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and some of the other guys
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And one of the male teachers,
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he said, "Well, I can't
believe that. Man, if...

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You know, if I was there,
if this happened to me,

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I'd kick that guy's ass."

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And I'm thinking, "Man,

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you have no idea
what you're talking about."

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And the next thought was,

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"I'm gonna have to talk
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Oh, shit. Here we go."

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[mellow music playing]

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[applause]

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[announcer] For the Buckeyes,
it's gonna be Dan Ritchie.

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-Get up!
-Up, up!

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Stay on the leg!
Don't come across the back!

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[Ritchie] Initially,
I got into wrestling

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because my dad thought,

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"This is a great sport for him.

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You know, he can get stronger

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and get in shape."

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At the time, I was
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But there was something
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and...

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I just grew with it.

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It became part of me.

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It was pretty amazing.

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I liked being out there
by myself, relying on myself.

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I know if I put
the hard work in

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and I win,
it's because I did the work.

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And I did the work.

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And I won.

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My high school coach,

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at the beginning of the season,

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he showed me the rankings
and said,

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you know, "You're ranked
number one in the state."

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I'm like, "What?" I was like...

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You know, and for me,
that was amazing.

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[announcer]
Ritchie, despite coming

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from a downstate school,

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a lot of people doubted
his ability

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for that reason,
but he's been dominant all year.

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The entire season,
went undefeated,

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and I won the state tournament.

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[announcer]
And the 1988 state champion

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at 167 in AA,

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Dan Ritchie.

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[crowd cheering]

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[announcer 2] Dan Ritchie...

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[Ritchie] And that
is what got me

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my scholarship to Ohio State.

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When I got there, it was 1988.

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My hometown, the population
was 32,000 people.

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The population of Ohio State
itself was 50,000.

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So it was overwhelming,

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but I figured,
if I have wrestling,

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I have a group of guys
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And I met my roommate,
Mike Schyck,

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another wrestler,

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and we hit it off immediately.

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[Schyck] The first time
I ever met Dan,

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you know, he's got
the Vanilla Ice, like,

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shavings in his head.

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I'm like, "This is my...
my roommate? Oh, no."

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But, you know, soon enough,
we became best friends.

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We both loved wrestling,
more than loved wrestling.

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Wrestling was everything for me

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and had been since I was a kid.

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-[children shouting]
-[child] Come on, Mike!

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[Schyck] Growing up,
I was kind of scrappy.

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Well, if we keep working
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we can make it to state.

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My eighth-grade year,
I ended up beating a senior.

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I made it to state.

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I was the first person
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that made it to state.

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I was in the state finals
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took second.

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My sophomore year, took third.

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[announcer] Mike Schyck.

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[Schyck] And I won it
my next two years.

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[announcer] At 152 pounds,
our champion,

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Mike Schyck.

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I got a lot of schools
that were sending me letters

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and recruiting stuff
all the time.

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I even got personal notes
from the head wrestling coach

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at Ohio State, Russ Hellickson.

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Russ Hellickson was
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and he was one of the best
coaches in the country.

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Fellas, I sit over there
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as a wrestling coach.

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I don't see enough fight.

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[Schyck] Russ was just starting
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and he promised
to make winners.

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That's what I wanted.
I didn't want excuses.

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Fellas, you know,
if-if nothing else,

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by the time you get back,
you will be in the best shape

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of anybody on this planet.

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[Schyck] And Hellickson came
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Jim Jordan,

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and Jordan was a legend.

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I watched him win
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and then this guy wins
a second national title

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the following year.

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I mean, it was unbelievable.

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I didn't choose Ohio State
because of Ohio State.

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I chose Ohio State
because of Russ Hellickson

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and Jim Jordan

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and the program
they were developing.

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They were gonna go all the way.

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I'm like, "I want to do that."

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That Ohio State team,

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it was gonna give me a chance
to live my dream

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of not only becoming
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but I had big dreams.

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I was gonna be
an Olympic champion.

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Russ Hellickson, Olympian,

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he could've helped
that dream come true.

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[light music playing]

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And everybody knew
who Jim Jordan was.

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This guy was an animal.

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Very religious,

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honest.

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He was the good guy.

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And at the same time,
he could whup some ass.

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Just the perfect... perfect man.

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After a pretty tight match,
Jim came up to me, was like,

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"Man, that was...
that was like a great match.

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You know, I think we're
gonna let you on the team."

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And I was excited to be
on the team. Really excited.

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I saw such potential
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[Ritchie] You're looking around,

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your first thought is,
"National champions."

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Let's do this.

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[Schyck] So, leading into the
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we had to get our physicals.

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I've had to do physicals
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with your family practitioner

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doing minimal stuff,
and you're in and out.

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This was a different thing.

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[man] They had mass physicals

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where there was
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and you would go to one station

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and they would fit you
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You'd go to another station,

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they'd take
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go to another station,
they'd check your reflexes.

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[indistinct chatter]

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[Schyck] Finally,
we made our way to a line

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that was right in front
of a door.

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That line,
it was kind of backed up.

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And some of the upperclassmen
were commenting,

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"Hey, this is gonna take you
a while."

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[Schyck] They were saying,

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"Oh, Doc's gonna like you."

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And they just kinda chuckled
and laughed a little bit,

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and I had no idea
what they meant.

257
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Next thing you know,
it's my turn.

258
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You walk into a room,

259
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and Doc's across the room.

260
00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:35,504
[bright music distorts, fades]

261
00:12:36,672 --> 00:12:38,883
He had frosty white hair,

262
00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,635
and he just made you feel
at ease

263
00:12:41,719 --> 00:12:43,721
because he was a nice guy.

264
00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,557
[gentle music playing]

265
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Doc Strauss was presented to us

266
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as the esteemed Doctor

267
00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:54,231
of Sports Medicine
at Ohio State.

268
00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:57,193
Dr. Richard Strauss
is an internal medicine

269
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and sports medicine specialist

270
00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:00,446
at Ohio State University.

271
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He is also editor
of the medical journal,

272
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Physician and Sports Medicine.

273
00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,578
[DiSabato]
He was Dr. Richard Strauss

274
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from The Ohio State University,

275
00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:12,792
and he had the badge
on his left chest to prove it.

276
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He did the entire body check.

277
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Checked our skin.

278
00:13:19,048 --> 00:13:20,674
Because with wrestling,
skin issues

279
00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:22,384
might keep you
off the wrestling mat

280
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because they're contagious.

281
00:13:24,386 --> 00:13:27,306
He checked under our arms,
checked our vitals.

282
00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:29,892
And then he tells me
to turn the lights off.

283
00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:31,894
[light clicks]

284
00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:33,896
And he got down on a stool

285
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and tapped the side
of your legs and say,

286
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"All right, drop 'em."

287
00:13:39,276 --> 00:13:41,111
[Schyck] And it's dark.

288
00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:42,696
Can't even see anything,
you know?

289
00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,281
And I'm looking over at him,

290
00:13:44,406 --> 00:13:46,283
and he's got, uh, um,
a light pen.

291
00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,538
And I'm standing there,
you know, looking down on a man

292
00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:52,790
who has a flashlight
in his mouth

293
00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:55,584
at my groin level, and I'm
seeing the top of his head.

294
00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,628
It-It's just really weird.

295
00:13:58,337 --> 00:13:59,505
And...

296
00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:02,800
from that point, he would grab--

297
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grab your penis,

298
00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:05,803
and he's moving it around,

299
00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:07,012
moving it around.

300
00:14:07,638 --> 00:14:09,181
I was speechless.

301
00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,600
The entire time,
you're just sitting there

302
00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,018
trying to...

303
00:14:13,811 --> 00:14:16,897
talk yourself out of getting
an erection. I'm not gonna lie.

304
00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,732
Like, that is the one thing
you're just--

305
00:14:18,816 --> 00:14:20,442
Like, I am not-- Like...

306
00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:22,486
Now you're questioning
your sexuality or something.

307
00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:24,280
You're like, "What is--"

308
00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:26,282
And he would catch you
right before you say something.

309
00:14:26,407 --> 00:14:27,658
He said,
"I'm just being thorough."

310
00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:33,038
And when you come out,

311
00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:35,374
we all kind of make this...

312
00:14:35,457 --> 00:14:38,002
You know, we kinda joke
because we didn't know

313
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what we were going through.

314
00:14:39,628 --> 00:14:40,713
[door creaking]

315
00:14:40,796 --> 00:14:41,922
And I'm sure I had

316
00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,299
the same look coming out, like,

317
00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,218
"What-- What was that?
I don't get it."

318
00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:48,429
And everyone's
making fun of you.

319
00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:53,100
It didn't feel right,
but I just, uh, accepted it.

320
00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:57,146
And it's not something
we're gonna sit around

321
00:14:57,229 --> 00:15:00,316
and have a-a bunch
of conversations about.

322
00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:04,278
Now run a mile. Run as hard
as you can. Remember your time.

323
00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:06,739
[Schyck] And the coaches acted
like everything was normal.

324
00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:08,699
They didn't make anything
of it.

325
00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:10,242
Their focus was on training.

326
00:15:11,035 --> 00:15:12,328
[Hellickson] Ready, go.

327
00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,748
[Schyck] I came
from a conservative family.

328
00:15:15,831 --> 00:15:17,499
You know, do what you're told.

329
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:18,876
Do this. Okay.

330
00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:20,544
Coach tells you to do this.
Okay.

331
00:15:20,669 --> 00:15:22,838
Coach tells you to go here.
Go, "Okay."

332
00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:25,090
I didn't know what that was.

333
00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:26,508
But we are here to wrestle.

334
00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:29,136
-[chanting] O-H!
-[chanting] I-O!

335
00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:31,972
[Schyck] And as we progressed
through the wrestling season,

336
00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:35,017
Russ and Jimmy beat
the living tar out of us.

337
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,145
Three things
will be the key to success.

338
00:15:38,228 --> 00:15:41,023
We're gonna concentrate today
on self.

339
00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:44,068
They brought me
from an average wrestler

340
00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,028
to a really good wrestler.

341
00:15:46,695 --> 00:15:49,031
-I was having a great career.
-[whistle blows]

342
00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:50,908
I was winning everything.

343
00:15:51,033 --> 00:15:52,618
[crowd cheering]

344
00:15:52,701 --> 00:15:54,620
[announcer] There's
a beautiful roll and a Granby

345
00:15:54,703 --> 00:15:56,789
by Schyck.
He saved the position.

346
00:15:56,872 --> 00:15:58,415
Now he's gonna try
to get the takedown.

347
00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:00,459
-He got it.
-He does! He wins!

348
00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:03,379
[Schyck] And most of my other
teammates were awesome.

349
00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:04,713
[announcer] And there it is.

350
00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,006
The junior from Ohio State

351
00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:07,591
is the champion.

352
00:16:07,716 --> 00:16:09,551
[Coleman] Did Dr. Strauss
make me angry?

353
00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:12,179
Yes. But I was
under the impression

354
00:16:12,262 --> 00:16:15,015
that anger helped me do better

355
00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,226
and get things accomplished.

356
00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:19,728
I felt like the anger
was just needed.

357
00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:23,357
[Ritchie] Like others,
when I stepped onto the mat,

358
00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,235
I was there. I was there.

359
00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:27,528
[whistle blows]

360
00:16:27,611 --> 00:16:29,446
Worries about grades,

361
00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:31,323
worries about girls,

362
00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:32,908
worries about Dr. Strauss,

363
00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,453
or worries about anything
went away.

364
00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,247
[announcer] Ritchie,

365
00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:40,416
21-9-2.

366
00:16:40,541 --> 00:16:43,127
Quite a record for a freshman.

367
00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:45,295
[Ritchie] I was able
to compartmentalize it,

368
00:16:45,421 --> 00:16:48,507
put it in a place where
I didn't have to think about it.

369
00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:53,137
And that worked for a while.

370
00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:55,723
But it just got worse.

371
00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:59,351
Dr. Strauss was
our team doctor,

372
00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:02,229
and that's what we had.
I mean, if we had an illness,

373
00:17:02,312 --> 00:17:03,772
he's the one we went to.

374
00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:06,358
If we needed medication
for something,

375
00:17:06,442 --> 00:17:07,860
he's the one that we went to.

376
00:17:07,943 --> 00:17:09,069
If we had an injury,

377
00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,612
he's the one that we went to.

378
00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:11,905
And each and every time,

379
00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,033
it was a full body check

380
00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,868
that resulted in

381
00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:18,871
a genital check, without fail.

382
00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:21,915
-[wheels rattling]
-[dark, eerie music playing]

383
00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:25,753
And the man never wore gloves.

384
00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:28,964
It was always skin on skin.

385
00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:33,093
With one hand, he would,
like, grab your testicles,

386
00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,221
and the best way to describe it
is like those, um,

387
00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:38,932
Chinese balls that you twist
for stress,

388
00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:41,727
and he's asking me
how I'm doing on campus

389
00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,479
at the same time, you know.

390
00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:48,442
If I have a girlfriend.
Um, if I'm sexually active.

391
00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:51,820
And it wasn't just
he would be like this.

392
00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,698
His face would be in,

393
00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:56,408
where you could feel his breath

394
00:17:57,534 --> 00:17:59,161
on your dick.

395
00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:01,205
[dark, eerie music continues]

396
00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:03,749
[Schyck] I felt like
there was something wrong,

397
00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:05,667
but I was a naive kid
going into college.

398
00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:08,337
And wrestling in college
is not easy.

399
00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:12,341
We're taught to deal
with the hard stuff.

400
00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:15,844
And so I-- I mean,
I never complained.

401
00:18:16,428 --> 00:18:19,139
But, I mean,
I was always in there.

402
00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:21,391
My-my-my file,
by the time I was done,

403
00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:24,353
was a couple of inches thick.
Hundreds of times, easily.

404
00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:26,980
I mean, every time
I wrestled, I was injured.

405
00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:30,067
Wrestling is a brutal sport.

406
00:18:30,192 --> 00:18:32,361
-[indistinct shouting]
-[whistle blows]

407
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:35,155
It's basically a street fight
with rules.

408
00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:37,574
-[indistinct shouting]
-[whistle blows]

409
00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:39,368
You get bruised
and banged up a lot.

410
00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:41,662
[indistinct shouting]

411
00:18:41,745 --> 00:18:42,871
[whistle blows]

412
00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,707
I-I remember I had
a high ankle sprain,

413
00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:50,337
and Doc Strauss would hold up
the X-rays and look at 'em,

414
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,589
and then after that,
he would ask me to stand up,

415
00:18:52,714 --> 00:18:53,674
disrobe.

416
00:18:53,757 --> 00:18:55,467
[eerie music playing]

417
00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:57,052
He would grab the stool,

418
00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:58,595
go up to me,

419
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,305
and perform
the same genital exam,

420
00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:03,267
telling me, "We gotta make sure
you're healing right,"

421
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:04,935
and, you know, uh,

422
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,979
"that your lymph nodes
are not enlarged."

423
00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,106
He always said, "It's like
you have a thoroughbred horse.

424
00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:11,525
We gotta keep you running,
and the only way I can do that

425
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:13,110
is to do these thorough exams."

426
00:19:14,236 --> 00:19:17,447
[Schyck] But I've never looked
at myself like a victim.

427
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:20,492
I mean, I come from
the athlete's mentality where,

428
00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:23,537
if it's bad, you problem-solve
and you fix it.

429
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:26,331
And the way I think
we kind of fixed it

430
00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,042
as athletes,
you kinda made light of it,

431
00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:33,338
and it was out in the open
like that, making light of it.

432
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:35,465
[Ratliff] Guys would joke
all the time, like,

433
00:19:35,591 --> 00:19:37,593
"Hey, I need to go see the doc,"

434
00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:39,011
and if there was a group of us,

435
00:19:39,094 --> 00:19:40,762
they'd say,
"Hey, watch your nuts."

436
00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:42,598
[Schyck] We had
nicknames for him.

437
00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:46,351
Strauss was Dr. Jelly Paws
or Jelly Fingers.

438
00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:49,021
[Knight] I heard someone else
call him Dr. Fun Boy once.

439
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,481
But it just got more direct,
like,

440
00:19:51,607 --> 00:19:53,859
"This dude, man,
what is up with this dude?"

441
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:56,737
It was a dirty little secret

442
00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,990
that we all just
tiptoed around,

443
00:20:00,115 --> 00:20:01,742
and we just dealt with it

444
00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:03,327
'cause we're Buckeyes.

445
00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:05,829
[soft music playing]

446
00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:09,082
You would be hard-pressed
to find a more macho culture

447
00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:12,252
than Midwest athletes
and wrestlers.

448
00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:15,839
I mean, there is so much
macho dimension to this story.

449
00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:19,468
I've written several features
for Sports Illustrated

450
00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:21,261
on The Ohio State University.

451
00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:22,846
[crowd cheering]

452
00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:25,599
Buckeye Nation
is a real identity

453
00:20:25,682 --> 00:20:27,267
for millions of people.

454
00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:31,605
And the core of that identity
is about being Midwest tough.

455
00:20:31,688 --> 00:20:32,731
[grunting]

456
00:20:33,815 --> 00:20:37,069
For men, that means emulating
the archetype of the warrior.

457
00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:39,696
It's about you being
indestructible and dominant,

458
00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:42,783
and if you're a male athlete,
so much more so.

459
00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,536
And anything less than that
is rejected with anger.

460
00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,580
I see people whining
and bitching.

461
00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:50,832
I see this wimpy little look

462
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,668
on a lot of people's faces

463
00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:55,879
'cause somebody else
took something away from them.

464
00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,131
Fellas, this is a tough sport.

465
00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,676
This is a tough sport!

466
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,511
If you don't want to be
a part of it,

467
00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,221
then get the hell out of it!

468
00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:07,349
[Wertheim] So view
the situation with Strauss

469
00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:08,475
through that lens.

470
00:21:08,558 --> 00:21:10,560
[light music playing]

471
00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:14,064
But what happened? Somebody
physically dominated you.

472
00:21:14,189 --> 00:21:15,774
Well, if you're wrestling
and someone

473
00:21:15,857 --> 00:21:18,694
physically dominates you,
you lose.

474
00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:20,988
And now, what if he's
half your weight?

475
00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:24,241
In sports terms,
it's a mismatch, right?

476
00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:25,742
In this kind of world,

477
00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:27,619
what kind of a man
are you then?

478
00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:31,290
And now, what if he's
sexually molesting you?

479
00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:35,669
Are you willingly gonna talk
about that?

480
00:21:35,752 --> 00:21:37,754
Are you going to admit that?

481
00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:39,089
And if you do,

482
00:21:39,214 --> 00:21:40,507
are those men around you

483
00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,009
even gonna be receptive

484
00:21:42,092 --> 00:21:43,760
to hearing about it?

485
00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:47,639
[Schyck] My mom
said this to me one time.

486
00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:50,100
She asked me if Russ or Jim,

487
00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:53,520
"Did you tell them the stuff
that we're finding out now?"

488
00:21:53,603 --> 00:21:55,689
And I'm like, "But telling them

489
00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:57,524
would imply
that they didn't know."

490
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,652
[Ritchie] Our coaches knew.

491
00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,613
We had guys complaining
about Dr. Strauss

492
00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,073
to Jim Jordan.

493
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,993
One of the wrestlers said,

494
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:11,246
"Dude, why does this guy
have to constantly check

495
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,123
our nuts, check our dick?"

496
00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:15,917
Jim Jordan's response:
"If he ever did that to me,

497
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,754
I'd snap his neck like a stick
of dry balsa wood."

498
00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:20,255
So he knew about it.

499
00:22:20,922 --> 00:22:22,966
And Russ knew.

500
00:22:23,091 --> 00:22:25,302
[grim music fading]

501
00:22:25,427 --> 00:22:28,388
You know, the extent
of what Dr. Strauss

502
00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:30,974
might have been doing
during physicals

503
00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:33,185
or doing medical checks
with athletes

504
00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:35,062
when they had injuries

505
00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:36,605
appears to be beyond the pale

506
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:40,108
but was never really,
uh, told to me.

507
00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:43,653
I just sensed that he was
a little bit too invasive,

508
00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:44,821
you know?

509
00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:46,448
He was always too hands-on

510
00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:47,991
with athletes
when we had weigh-ins.

511
00:22:48,116 --> 00:22:50,035
He was always grabbing the guys

512
00:22:50,118 --> 00:22:51,912
and turning 'em around,
you know, he'd grab 'em

513
00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:54,289
by their midsection
and turn 'em.

514
00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,874
Then when he was checking
for skin,

515
00:22:55,957 --> 00:22:57,626
he'd always be touching it.

516
00:22:58,168 --> 00:22:59,669
I told him one time,
I said, "Doc,

517
00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:01,213
you're much too hands-on."

518
00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:03,006
He'd just say,
"Ah, I'm being thorough."

519
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,883
And I said, "You know,
it bothers some athletes.

520
00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,885
Some athletes are
very, very sensitive

521
00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,721
to that sort of thing,"
and he kinda shrugged it off.

522
00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,265
[Marshall] One small talk,

523
00:23:12,349 --> 00:23:14,393
and nothing changed.

524
00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,770
-[light clicks]
-[dark, eerie music playing]

525
00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:18,563
Men at that time didn't talk

526
00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,066
about their sexuality
and their feelings.

527
00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:24,611
And I think the coaches were
probably uncomfortable with it

528
00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,739
and might have turned
a blind eye.

529
00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:30,158
[Wertheim] Russ Hellickson
is your surrogate father

530
00:23:30,283 --> 00:23:32,244
while you're in Columbus, Ohio.

531
00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:34,079
If he doesn't deem it
important enough

532
00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:35,747
to get rid of this guy,

533
00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:37,124
you take your cue from that.

534
00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,918
[solemn music playing]

535
00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:42,629
-[crowd cheering]
-[indistinct shouting]

536
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:45,715
-[whistle blows]
-[Ratliff] There's some guys

537
00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:47,634
that were able
to achieve like that.

538
00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,513
I was not one of those guys
achieving in that environment.

539
00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:55,308
And it was some problems
internally for me

540
00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:57,102
that I wasn't able
to do the things

541
00:23:57,185 --> 00:23:59,688
that I knew I could do
athletically.

542
00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:03,233
So, for me,
there was a lot of shame

543
00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:05,735
for not being tough enough
to take it.

544
00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:13,618
You know, after people
hear these stories,

545
00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:15,871
there's a lot of guys
that talked to us about,

546
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,539
"Oh, I would've beat him up,"

547
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:19,749
or, "I would've done this,
I would've done that."

548
00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,710
[Knight] "What do you mean,
he touched you?

549
00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:24,171
Why didn't you just whup
his ass?"

550
00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:25,964
[Ritchie]
The way Strauss did it,

551
00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:28,341
this man never had a nurse

552
00:24:28,425 --> 00:24:30,177
or another trainer
in that office

553
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:32,804
when we were in there
one-on-one. Never.

554
00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:36,725
So it was always his word
against your word.

555
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,979
And, yeah, I could've
smacked him upside the head,

556
00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,314
and then what would've happened?

557
00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:44,024
[door creaking]

558
00:24:44,107 --> 00:24:45,609
[Knight] Imagine I'm walking out

559
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:46,943
and then this old white man

560
00:24:47,068 --> 00:24:48,445
is knocked out in there,

561
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:49,988
and this guy has been--
mind you,

562
00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:53,325
been around this university
since 1979.

563
00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:56,203
So what am I gonna do?

564
00:24:56,912 --> 00:24:59,414
What they're gonna do is
kick me out of school.

565
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,417
He'd have his job and he'd
still be doing what he's doing

566
00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:04,586
and I'd be out
of my scholarship.

567
00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:06,880
We had

568
00:25:06,963 --> 00:25:08,590
so much to lose.

569
00:25:09,132 --> 00:25:10,509
I wasn't rich.

570
00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:12,219
I wasn't blessed
with a ton of money.

571
00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:15,138
So the-the scholarship
was critical.

572
00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:17,849
We were powerless,

573
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,559
and all's I knew

574
00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:21,603
is that I wanted to be
a national champion,

575
00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:24,189
and I wasn't gonna stir
the fucking pot

576
00:25:24,272 --> 00:25:28,318
with The big-time
Ohio State University.

577
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:30,946
And, quite honestly,

578
00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:33,698
what he's actually doing to me,

579
00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:35,283
I didn't--
I didn't even think it--

580
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,911
Maybe it wasn't even wrong.
I didn't know.

581
00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:39,079
[light clicks]

582
00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:42,999
[Wertheim] This is
a credentialed doctor.

583
00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:45,627
He's got the Harvard diploma.
He's been at Chicago,

584
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,171
University of Pennsylvania.
He's been in the military.

585
00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:50,632
He's publishing
these scholarly articles.

586
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:54,469
Whatever you say, he's got
a quick riposte ready.

587
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,055
And you're an 18-
or 19-year-old naive kid.

588
00:25:57,806 --> 00:25:59,224
[Marshall] But more than that,

589
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:01,810
he was in such a position
of power

590
00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,187
because if he didn't approve
their physical,

591
00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:06,273
if they didn't go
through his exam,

592
00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,525
they did not compete.

593
00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:12,237
He had all the power.

594
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,655
All the power.

595
00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,200
And they did nothing.

596
00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,578
[tense music playing]

597
00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:23,498
So Doc Strauss,
he got more emboldened.

598
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:26,376
You know, we would come down
from the wrestling room,

599
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:28,795
and most of us were worrying
about making weight,

600
00:26:28,878 --> 00:26:30,380
so we'd come down,

601
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:33,008
sit in the sauna
for 20, 25 minutes.

602
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,719
And, sure enough,
there's Dr. Strauss

603
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:37,012
sitting in there with us.

604
00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:40,140
Next thing you know,
he'd go right into the showers

605
00:26:40,223 --> 00:26:41,433
with everybody.

606
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,978
And Strauss would be facing out.

607
00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,105
You know, if, like,
this microphone,

608
00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:48,857
when you shower,
this is the shower head,

609
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:50,150
you shower like this.

610
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:53,903
He would shower like this,
facing...

611
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,657
He'd be shower-facing,
so he'd be looking at us.

612
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,080
And he'd be the first one in,
last one out.

613
00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:08,043
Then, he'd come out,

614
00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:10,545
he'd see another group
of guys coming down,

615
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,048
and it's like,
"Oh, I forgot to clean this.

616
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,133
I need to go back
into the shower."

617
00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,010
And he'd go right back
into the shower.

618
00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:23,558
Russ even allowed him
to have a locker

619
00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,018
in our locker room.

620
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:28,938
So Strauss was in there
all the time,

621
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,523
watching all the guys

622
00:27:31,066 --> 00:27:34,444
getting undressed,
drying off, getting dressed.

623
00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:36,655
He didn't do anything.
He didn't go out running.

624
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:37,989
He didn't work out.

625
00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:40,283
And he's taking showers

626
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,077
multiple times a day

627
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:43,787
with male athletes.

628
00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,998
[Schyck] It was that blatant.

629
00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,626
He was getting aroused
while he's watching everybody.

630
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:51,544
It was-- It-- It was--

631
00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:53,755
I mean,

632
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,007
it's not something
I really want to, uh...

633
00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,761
[laughs] ...remember or pull up.
I mean, I didn't...

634
00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:01,930
Storing stuff like that
is not, uh...

635
00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:04,724
Uh...

636
00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,601
[grim music playing]

637
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,895
I said, "Doc,
you make the guys nervous

638
00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:11,022
that you shower with 'em,"
and his response was,

639
00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,191
"Coach, you shower
with your guys all the time."

640
00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:14,776
I said, "Yeah,
not for an hour, Doc."

641
00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:17,070
Uh, it was obvious, you know,

642
00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:20,532
Doc-- Dr. Strauss liked to be
in the shower room a lot

643
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:21,991
with the athletes,

644
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:24,411
so he was doing
a lot of showering.

645
00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:30,542
[announcer] And we are set
for action here.

646
00:28:32,043 --> 00:28:34,170
Our referee today
is Fred Feeney.

647
00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,005
[announcer 2] Feeney
is one of the top officials

648
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,549
in the state,
from the Columbus area.

649
00:28:37,632 --> 00:28:39,134
He's been around
for a long time.

650
00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,468
-[whistle blows]
-Oh!

651
00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:42,095
[crowd cheering]

652
00:28:42,178 --> 00:28:43,930
-Wow, what a match!
-[indistinct]

653
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,849
[Feeney] One time,
I'm doing this match,

654
00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,435
and once the match is over,
you sign the book and leave.

655
00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:51,104
You don't hang around.
You don't high-five people.

656
00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:53,398
You get the hell outta there,
nothing good's gonna happen

657
00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:55,358
'cause somebody's pissed off
about something.

658
00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:56,526
Just get the hell out.

659
00:28:56,651 --> 00:28:58,319
And I walked in,

660
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,655
and, um, it-- you know,
you get undressed

661
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,365
and you go take a shower
and you leave.

662
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:03,491
It's that simple.

663
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:04,909
And as I was in there,

664
00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:06,369
Dr. Strauss walks in.

665
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:07,954
And I knew Dr. Strauss

666
00:29:08,037 --> 00:29:10,457
from just being around
Ohio State University.

667
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:12,167
I've known him for years.

668
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,335
And, um, "Hey, Dr. Strauss.
How are you?"

669
00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,004
He goes, "Good, Fred.
Nice match."

670
00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:17,630
And that-that small talk.

671
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,967
And he starts getting undressed
right beside me.

672
00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,511
And yet there's all this room
over here

673
00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:26,598
that he could've went to
to get undressed.

674
00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:30,351
And I just kinda looked,
"Doc, what are you doing?"

675
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,687
He goes, "Well, there's
somewhere I want to be tonight,

676
00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:34,939
need to be,
and so I'm gonna take a shower."

677
00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,441
Okay. You know?

678
00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:38,485
So I finished getting undressed,

679
00:29:38,568 --> 00:29:41,571
I put a towel around me,
and I went into the shower.

680
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,408
And then, within
a very short period of time,

681
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,452
Dr. Strauss walks in the shower.

682
00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:50,955
He could've went anywhere,
but he stood right beside me.

683
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,957
The shower--
I'm here, he's here.

684
00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:54,876
[unsettling music playing]

685
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,878
[groans] Okay. You know?

686
00:29:57,003 --> 00:30:00,131
And the next thing I know,

687
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:01,800
I look over and I realize

688
00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:03,718
he's not washing himself.

689
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,345
He's masturbating.

690
00:30:05,428 --> 00:30:07,514
He's beside me masturbating.

691
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:10,850
And I'm thinking,
"What the hell are you doing?"

692
00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:13,019
He goes, "Well, Fred,
I'm just washing."

693
00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,438
Well, that's
kind of a weird-ass way

694
00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:16,648
to do it, you know?

695
00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:20,860
And I remember,
I kinda turned a little bit,

696
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,821
and the next thing I know,

697
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:25,907
I'm feeling his hand on my butt.

698
00:30:26,032 --> 00:30:27,992
And... [groans]

699
00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:31,913
[chokes up]

700
00:30:37,168 --> 00:30:38,545
[spluttering]

701
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:42,048
A-And I can't explain to you

702
00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:45,009
why that affected me
the way it affected--

703
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:47,220
It affected me so bad

704
00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:49,973
that I didn't even respond
to him,

705
00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:52,141
where I should've knocked him
on his ass

706
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,394
at that point, at that time.

707
00:30:54,477 --> 00:30:55,562
[groans]

708
00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:00,942
But I didn't.

709
00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:02,610
I walked out.

710
00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,071
And I went back to my locker,

711
00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:07,615
and I started to get dressed.

712
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,325
Strauss walks out,

713
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:11,077
and he has a towel around him,

714
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,081
he has an obvious erection
right there, and I just--

715
00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:17,166
"What are you doing?
What the hell were you doing?"

716
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:18,501
He goes, "There's nothing wrong.

717
00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:20,211
You got a beautiful butt."

718
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:22,297
He goes, "You got
a great penis. You got--"

719
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,174
He goes, "You should be proud
of that," and, again,

720
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,512
I was so overcome
with how asinine this was,

721
00:31:30,346 --> 00:31:32,640
I got dressed,
didn't say a word to him.

722
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,268
As I'm walking out,

723
00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:37,103
at the very end
of that walkway,

724
00:31:37,186 --> 00:31:40,064
Russ Hellickson and Jim Jordan
were both standing there,

725
00:31:40,148 --> 00:31:41,691
and I looked at both of them,
I said,

726
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,359
"Hey, Strauss is in there
masturbating

727
00:31:43,484 --> 00:31:44,986
beside me in the shower."

728
00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:46,696
And both of them looked at me,

729
00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:50,199
Jim Jordan looked at me
straight in my face and said,

730
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:51,701
"It's Strauss.

731
00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:53,202
You know what he does."

732
00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:56,205
And Russ agreed.

733
00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:59,792
I-I think, as I walked out,

734
00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:02,128
I-I started to take that

735
00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:04,130
and just started pushing it down

736
00:32:04,213 --> 00:32:06,841
and down and down
and down and down.

737
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,677
It was just something
I couldn't deal with,

738
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:10,929
and I didn't deal with it.

739
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:13,973
[Schyck]
And what you'll come to learn

740
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:17,185
is that this isn't just
happening with the wrestlers.

741
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:19,896
The male gymnasts,

742
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,523
their facility
was in Larkins Hall,

743
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:25,109
which is where our, uh,
wrestling room was.

744
00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:27,487
He had a locker
in their locker room.

745
00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:29,864
He had a locker
in the fencing room.

746
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,991
He had a locker
in the football room.

747
00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:33,618
I heard he had a locker

748
00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:35,453
somewhere where
the swim team was.

749
00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:39,874
Fifteen, sixteen sports,
I mean, that-that's insane.

750
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,210
He's everywhere.

751
00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:44,420
[tense, solemn music playing]

752
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,298
[skates clacking]

753
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:49,509
-[music fades]
-[hockey sticks smacking]

754
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:54,263
Hockey was just,
you're Canadian,

755
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:56,224
and you just want to be
a hockey player.

756
00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,726
That was the goal.
That was the dream.

757
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,770
[skates scraping]

758
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:02,522
[light music playing]

759
00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:04,816
I'd go to the rink, you know,
early in the morning.

760
00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,484
I-I was--
They called me a rink rat.

761
00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,695
And I just loved the game.

762
00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:12,573
And I was fortunate enough
in 1985

763
00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:15,535
to win a national championship
in junior.

764
00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:17,787
I was recruited
by a lot of schools.

765
00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:19,247
I was recruited by North Dakota,

766
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:20,873
which was
an absolute powerhouse.

767
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,710
But Ohio State
was a better fit for me.

768
00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:26,295
I had the opportunity to
come in and start right away.

769
00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:28,840
My goal was to...

770
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:31,759
get to Ohio State,
develop for four years,

771
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:33,386
and step in to play pro hockey.

772
00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,847
Ohio State offering me
a full scholarship

773
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:37,807
was pretty incredible.

774
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:41,019
Everything that I had hoped
for to happen,

775
00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:43,021
to that point, had happened.

776
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,397
So I was very excited.

777
00:33:49,277 --> 00:33:51,029
[music fades]

778
00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:54,991
My first encounter
with Dr. Strauss was

779
00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,577
ten days after I landed here
at Ohio State.

780
00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,288
[indistinct chatter]

781
00:34:00,371 --> 00:34:03,750
We went to the hall,
and we had medicals done.

782
00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:06,627
[door creaks open]

783
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,963
He was kind and he was nice

784
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,423
and he, "Where are you from?

785
00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:11,716
Welcome to Ohio State."

786
00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:14,218
[grim music playing]

787
00:34:15,636 --> 00:34:17,722
And he said, "Have you ever had
a physical before?"

788
00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:21,225
And I said,
"Not that I can remember."

789
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,062
"Have you ever been checked
for a hernia before?"

790
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,563
And I said, "Nope."

791
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:27,482
[wheels rattling]

792
00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,734
You know, and he said,
"Can you drop your shorts?"

793
00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:31,944
[light clicks]

794
00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:33,738
And I didn't know

795
00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:34,989
what a hernia check was.

796
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:36,741
I didn't know... I didn't know.

797
00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:38,284
I didn't know
what I didn't know.

798
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:43,873
I remember leaving

799
00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:45,666
and going, "Wow, that was...

800
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:47,085
That was very odd."

801
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:51,172
I sort of-- I dis--
sort of disassociated myself.

802
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:53,549
And then, whoever said,
"Oh, you know,

803
00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:55,259
you must have a big...

804
00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,638
penis," in-in other terms,

805
00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,015
um, "'cause you were in there
for quite a while. Attaboy.

806
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:02,809
Oh, you know, good for you."

807
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:04,227
And you're like, "Oh.

808
00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:06,562
Okay. I'm not sure
what that means, but...

809
00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:09,023
okay, um..."

810
00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:11,818
And I left.

811
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,613
I should've asked somebody,
"Is that normal?

812
00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:17,907
You know, why does all that
have to happen?"

813
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,494
But I trusted Dr. Strauss
'cause he was the team doctor

814
00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:22,995
and it's his job.

815
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,497
That's what
they've hired him to do.

816
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:26,124
And, you know, you're so excited

817
00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:28,042
to be at
The Ohio State University

818
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,585
playing the sport that you love.

819
00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:32,630
This is it.
You're where you want to be.

820
00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:34,590
[light music playing]

821
00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:37,510
So, yeah, I saw him
a few times, and every time,

822
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,804
he would check you for a hernia.

823
00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,392
Once, I got a slap shot
off my foot.

824
00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,727
First thing he did was,
"Drop your trousers."

825
00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:49,230
He'd check me for a hernia.

826
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,234
I'm thinking, "My foot...

827
00:35:54,443 --> 00:35:55,987
My foot's sore.

828
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:57,947
My foot is sore."

829
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,450
But he was our doctor.

830
00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:02,869
This has to be "normal"

831
00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,453
because no one
has said anything.

832
00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:10,793
But it really affected me.

833
00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:16,048
So I went to see Coach
after Christmas

834
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,425
and tried to tell him,

835
00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:19,802
"Something's not right
with the doctor.

836
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:21,387
You know, he's...

837
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:23,764
He's a little different,
and, you know,"

838
00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:25,641
and, um...

839
00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:29,687
He just said to me,
"Don't worry about the doctor.

840
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:31,856
You worry about you--
your playing."

841
00:36:31,939 --> 00:36:34,483
[light music continues]

842
00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,239
[music fades]

843
00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:46,204
[soft, dark music playing]

844
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,957
[woman] My mother was
the only female coach

845
00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:52,919
of a men's team
at Ohio State University.

846
00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:55,379
She coached women's
and men's fencing.

847
00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:04,096
Very soon after my mom
took over the men's team,

848
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:07,099
she started hearing
from the male fencers

849
00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,809
that there was definitely
something off

850
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:09,977
about Dr. Strauss,

851
00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:12,188
that he would ogle the men

852
00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:13,856
who were taking showers,

853
00:37:13,981 --> 00:37:15,900
and he seemed to be around

854
00:37:15,983 --> 00:37:17,902
more than seemed normal.

855
00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:20,279
[swords clanging, whooshing]

856
00:37:21,822 --> 00:37:24,992
I remember one incident
very clearly.

857
00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:28,120
Uh, my boyfriend at the time,
it was at the end of practice,

858
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:30,081
and his ear was bleeding.

859
00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,042
My mom's first, "Go down
to the trainer's room

860
00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,212
and go see if there's anything
that they can do for you."

861
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,631
[foreboding music playing]

862
00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:40,091
I went down there with him,

863
00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:41,676
and Dr. Strauss was there.

864
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:43,469
As soon as he saw my boyfriend,

865
00:37:43,552 --> 00:37:45,429
"Sure, come on in! Come on in!"

866
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,723
And then the door was closed.

867
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,770
Immediately after he was seen,

868
00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:54,355
he came right out and said,

869
00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:56,399
"I got in there,
showed him my bleeding ear,

870
00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,401
and the first thing
Dr. Strauss asked for

871
00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,777
was to drop my shorts."

872
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:04,156
He let my mother know
that this happened,

873
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,868
and so she went to discuss
the situation with her boss.

874
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,709
The fencing coach says,
"Listen, I have real concerns

875
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,460
about this
inappropriate behavior."

876
00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:20,047
It's clear she doesn't know
the half of it.

877
00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:22,216
She knows it's inappropriate,
though,

878
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,885
for a team doctor to be
showering with the athletes.

879
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:28,389
She knows it's inappropriate
for him to be pawing athletes

880
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:30,933
for having nothing to do
with their groin area.

881
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,227
And so she launches
her first complaint.

882
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:37,898
Their take on it was
it's hearsay.

883
00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,400
You know, "Show me proof.

884
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,444
Till I have proof,
I can't do anything."

885
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,947
Her response back
to the male athletes was,

886
00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:47,742
"We need proof. We need someone

887
00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:49,285
who's willing to come forward.

888
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,454
I'm glad to come and stand
with you.

889
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:53,456
I will support you and talk."

890
00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:58,461
But she did not find
any takers.

891
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,839
And so, alone,
my mother complained

892
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,550
to the directors
about Dr. Strauss.

893
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:06,427
She would specifically go
and meet with them

894
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:07,762
on a regular basis

895
00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,848
because they were her boss.

896
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,476
She complained
about Dr. Strauss

897
00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,603
year after year

898
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:18,522
because fencers would be there
for three, four years,

899
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:20,066
and then there'd be a new set.

900
00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,942
It was not
a one-time occurrence.

901
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:24,236
It was regular and ongoing.

902
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:27,531
And nothing was done.

903
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,622
[man] Sir, what dates were you
Director of Sports Medicine?

904
00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:37,166
-1990 to 2004.
-[man] Okay.

905
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,044
And in that role,
were you responsible

906
00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:41,420
for supervising employees?

907
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:42,671
Yes.

908
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,132
And were you ever in charge
of supervising

909
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:46,342
Richard Strauss?

910
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:47,426
Yes.

911
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:49,887
[somber piano music playing]

912
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,442
[man] It's your job to keep
male student-athletes safe

913
00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:06,028
from being sexually abused
by a team physician, right?

914
00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:07,196
Yes.

915
00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:09,949
The fencing coach has
sufficient stories

916
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:12,243
and evidence and she's ready
to go to her superiors

917
00:40:12,326 --> 00:40:13,953
and does so, repeatedly,

918
00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:16,372
over the course
of different administrations.

919
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,165
[man] All right,
I'm gonna show you

920
00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:20,292
a one-page letter from you

921
00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,920
dated November 7th, 1994.

922
00:40:23,003 --> 00:40:24,588
And what does the school do?

923
00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:26,924
The same thing
that John Lombardo does

924
00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:28,134
in 1994.

925
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,594
[man] From the first sentence,
it says,

926
00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:32,638
"I have investigated
the concerns raised

927
00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:34,765
by the fencing coach,
Charlotte Remenyik,

928
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:37,309
concerning her athletes
and the medical care system.

929
00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,645
I have spoken with her
and her concerns

930
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:41,856
are based on rumors
which have been generated

931
00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:44,066
for ten years
with no foundation."

932
00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,652
She's effectively clapped back,

933
00:40:46,735 --> 00:40:48,904
"Oh, you're just basing this
on hearsay and rumor,"

934
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,740
and you want to say, "Well,
that's what we've got to go on

935
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:55,327
because of your,
at best, ineptitude."

936
00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:58,205
[soft, tense music playing]

937
00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:01,375
[man] Have you ever spoken
with any fencer on-- at OSU

938
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,086
about alleged misconduct
by Dr. Strauss?

939
00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:06,922
No.

940
00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:11,427
It's not like people have phones
and they're videotaping this.

941
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:14,013
It's not as though the school
has been remotely responsible

942
00:41:14,096 --> 00:41:16,307
in handling
the welter of complaints

943
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,600
that came before this.

944
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:21,353
[Smith] My mom would detail
the stories that she had heard,

945
00:41:21,437 --> 00:41:23,731
and the only response back was,

946
00:41:23,856 --> 00:41:25,441
"Give us some kind of proof."

947
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:27,818
[man] Did anyone at OSU,
to your knowledge,

948
00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,529
ever reach out to students
about Dr. Strauss?

949
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:31,989
Not that I'm aware of.

950
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,658
[Wertheim] Rumor and innuendo?

951
00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:36,702
What else could it possibly be?

952
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:38,996
Yes, it's rumor and innuendo,
and you have failed

953
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,624
to document anything
effectively.

954
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,251
[man] Did you ever ask
any trainer whether Strauss

955
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,045
had behaved inappropriately
with a student?

956
00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,214
-Not that I remember.
-Did you ever ask a coach

957
00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,090
whether Dr. Strauss
had behaved inappropriately

958
00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:51,175
with a student?

959
00:41:51,258 --> 00:41:52,843
Uh, not that I remember.

960
00:41:52,927 --> 00:41:54,386
[music fades]

961
00:41:56,597 --> 00:41:58,390
[Wertheim]
The school leaves him alone.

962
00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:01,352
But finally, it creates

963
00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:03,062
enough of a stir
that Strauss says,

964
00:42:03,145 --> 00:42:05,439
"Fine, I won't be the doctor
for the fencing team."

965
00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:07,399
He's got plenty of other teams.

966
00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:15,616
[Smith] I truly do not know

967
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:17,826
that it was
her ongoing request,

968
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:19,286
but I definitely know

969
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,080
that it also took
quite a bit of time,

970
00:42:21,163 --> 00:42:23,499
well over a decade,
for that to happen.

971
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:26,418
[solemn music playing]

972
00:42:27,294 --> 00:42:29,755
[Marshall] Charlotte Remenyik
was the lone wolf,

973
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:32,591
the one voice who said,
"This cannot go on,"

974
00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:35,970
but even after
a university coach

975
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,973
came forward and refused
to allow him

976
00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:40,933
to see her athletes,

977
00:42:41,016 --> 00:42:44,311
nobody stopped him from
doing it to everybody else.

978
00:42:47,022 --> 00:42:49,692
[Wertheim] Think about this.
The female fencing coach

979
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:53,237
has these concerns
based on what she's hearing,

980
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,989
she's not
in the men's locker room,

981
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,366
but she's heard enough
that she's sufficiently upset

982
00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:59,785
to take this to her superiors.

983
00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:02,371
How in the world
did this continue to go on,

984
00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:04,832
and why did no one
say anything?

985
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,378
Maybe it was that the OSU teams
were dominating.

986
00:43:09,503 --> 00:43:11,046
[announcer] What a match!

987
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:15,175
Randleman wins it
for Ohio State.

988
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:16,719
[announcer 2] Rex Holman.

989
00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:19,430
[crowd cheering]

990
00:43:19,513 --> 00:43:22,600
[Wertheim] And no one wanted
to befoul that with a scandal.

991
00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:23,684
[music fades]

992
00:43:23,767 --> 00:43:25,269
[wind howling]

993
00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:26,895
[Wertheim] But not all the teams

994
00:43:27,021 --> 00:43:29,356
during those two decades
were good,

995
00:43:29,481 --> 00:43:31,525
and still there was silence.

996
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:33,027
And then something clicked.

997
00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:36,113
Richard Strauss,

998
00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,574
apart from being
this team doctor,

999
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,828
was an absolute pioneer
in steroids.

1000
00:43:42,911 --> 00:43:45,414
[soft music playing]

1001
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,375
He published article
after article

1002
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:50,461
about anabolic steroids.

1003
00:43:52,796 --> 00:43:54,173
1980s, when we're just learning

1004
00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:55,883
about this intersection

1005
00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:57,593
between steroids
and athletic performance

1006
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:58,844
and performance-enhancing drugs

1007
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,888
and what they can do,

1008
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:03,098
Richard Strauss
is at the forefront.

1009
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,643
One pro football player said
competing against athletes

1010
00:44:05,726 --> 00:44:07,561
who took steroids
was like giving them

1011
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,438
a three-yard head start

1012
00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:11,231
in the 100-yard dash.

1013
00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,234
It is a powerful incentive
to play Russian roulette

1014
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,404
with a very powerful
and potentially dangerous drug.

1015
00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,406
We're going to talk
with a sports physician

1016
00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:21,950
who has done research
on steroids.

1017
00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:23,744
Uh, the question
of anabolic steroids

1018
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,163
hasn't been very important
to the general population

1019
00:44:26,246 --> 00:44:28,916
because most people
have not known much about 'em.

1020
00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:31,752
Multiple sources told me

1021
00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,254
they got steroids
from Dr. Strauss,

1022
00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:38,008
and multiple sources told me
he was distributing steroids.

1023
00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:40,719
I talked to one former trainer.

1024
00:44:40,803 --> 00:44:43,305
One of his jobs was distributing

1025
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:45,599
the steroids to the athlete.

1026
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:47,643
[distorted voice] That was
when people were starting

1027
00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:50,646
to figure out how you were gonna
be able to game the system.

1028
00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:53,148
And Strauss was viewed
as the expert.

1029
00:44:53,774 --> 00:44:56,402
It was a small office
that served as an exam room,

1030
00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:58,153
and then he had
a medical cabinet

1031
00:44:58,278 --> 00:44:59,738
that he had there
that was locked.

1032
00:44:59,822 --> 00:45:01,573
It was-- Only he had
a key to it.

1033
00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:03,409
Anabolic steroids
were in there.

1034
00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:05,452
[soft, tense music playing]

1035
00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:10,207
Strauss knew about the testing
and all that stuff.

1036
00:45:13,127 --> 00:45:14,712
They brought us in,

1037
00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:17,715
like, to do B12 shots,
they said.

1038
00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:19,842
I mean, I'd done
B12 shots before,

1039
00:45:19,967 --> 00:45:22,344
but this was different.

1040
00:45:22,469 --> 00:45:25,431
It was right before, like,
Big Tens and nationals.

1041
00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:28,267
I remember they gave us
a pretty big shot.

1042
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:30,978
They said it was B12,
but I don't think it was B12.

1043
00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:33,605
I thought it might've been
some testosterone.

1044
00:45:33,689 --> 00:45:35,607
[woman] Did it make you feel
any different?

1045
00:45:35,691 --> 00:45:37,317
I felt good. [laughs]

1046
00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:38,861
I felt real good.

1047
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:40,529
[crowd cheering]

1048
00:45:40,654 --> 00:45:44,533
I just felt energy
and just recovery was quicker.

1049
00:45:45,993 --> 00:45:48,704
I don't think B12
does that for you.

1050
00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:51,415
[crowd cheering]

1051
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:55,461
[music fades]

1052
00:45:55,544 --> 00:45:57,463
There was this container
we had that said,

1053
00:45:57,546 --> 00:45:59,339
"For animal use only."

1054
00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:01,759
And we used to call it
the animal juice.

1055
00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:04,136
[woman] Did it come
from Dr. Strauss?

1056
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:05,262
[Knight] Yeah.

1057
00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:07,181
And I don't know.

1058
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,017
It seemed that a lot of people
were getting big at Ohio State

1059
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:11,560
in the late '80s
and early '90s.

1060
00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:14,062
[soft music playing]

1061
00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:17,775
[Wertheim] As if the decks
weren't stacked enough

1062
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,277
in his side, this gives
Richard Strauss another piece

1063
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,237
of potentially compromising
information.

1064
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:24,323
If he were to say,

1065
00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:26,241
"Oh, that guy's just blowing
the whistle on me

1066
00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:28,118
because I was giving him
steroids,"

1067
00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:30,954
that's enough to get
your scholarship taken away.

1068
00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:33,582
And obviously, think about it,
if you're the coach

1069
00:46:33,707 --> 00:46:36,376
and you know that the doctor
is distributing steroids

1070
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,128
to your athletes,

1071
00:46:38,212 --> 00:46:40,297
or if you're
the athletic director,

1072
00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:43,926
wouldn't you be reluctant
to turn on that team doctor?

1073
00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:46,136
And, come of it what may,
and perhaps

1074
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,096
the team doctor,
uh, plays dirty.

1075
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,682
At some level, you wonder
who did the calculus of,

1076
00:46:50,766 --> 00:46:52,684
"You know what,
it's better to be quiet

1077
00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:54,645
because if we do the right thing

1078
00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:56,855
and we get rid of this guy
and this goes public,

1079
00:46:56,939 --> 00:46:58,190
it's gonna be a mess."

1080
00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:03,445
But I also think this story is
more complicated than steroids,

1081
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:05,364
and it's not the sole
or main reason

1082
00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:06,865
people didn't talk about it.

1083
00:47:07,407 --> 00:47:09,910
People could not,
and I-I use past tense,

1084
00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:12,788
I think, to some extent,
still cannot wrap

1085
00:47:12,913 --> 00:47:15,249
their brains around,
how could this have happened?

1086
00:47:15,374 --> 00:47:17,209
How could these guys,

1087
00:47:17,292 --> 00:47:19,545
18-, 19-, 20-year-old athletes,

1088
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,215
how in the world
could they be the victims

1089
00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:24,716
of sexual assault?

1090
00:47:27,052 --> 00:47:30,264
[Marshall] And so we return
to that foundation of shame.

1091
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,851
We don't like to look at men

1092
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,770
as being victims in this way,

1093
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:39,189
and that has hurt them

1094
00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:42,609
not only in the way that what
people believe about them,

1095
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:47,114
but in what they believe
and believed about themselves.

1096
00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:51,451
Richard Strauss used that
to his advantage.

1097
00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:55,122
Strauss didn't abuse everyone.

1098
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:59,459
He had a way of honing in
on these young men

1099
00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:03,130
who were mostly
from rural communities,

1100
00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:06,049
who probably spent all
of their time in high school

1101
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:07,634
focusing on athletics,

1102
00:48:07,759 --> 00:48:09,845
who were inexperienced sexually,

1103
00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:11,680
and naive.

1104
00:48:11,805 --> 00:48:13,724
[indistinct announcement]

1105
00:48:13,807 --> 00:48:15,851
A lot of them,
first time in their family

1106
00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,394
that someone made it to college,

1107
00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:18,896
and they were totally dependent

1108
00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:20,439
on this athletic scholarship.

1109
00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:24,192
He knew how to hone in
on those men,

1110
00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:26,278
and he would groom them

1111
00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:27,529
for more.

1112
00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:29,698
[solemn music playing]

1113
00:48:29,823 --> 00:48:32,326
[Ratliff] He was always
being nice to you,

1114
00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,785
being complimentary.

1115
00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:35,537
He was totally manipulating you.

1116
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,042
But you had no concept
that that's what's going on.

1117
00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:43,795
At the time, when you're 18,
19, 20 years old,

1118
00:48:43,879 --> 00:48:46,298
you don't--
you've never heard of--

1119
00:48:46,381 --> 00:48:48,550
of predators.

1120
00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:51,386
You never heard of grooming.

1121
00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:53,764
Especially the term "grooming."
I don't--

1122
00:48:53,847 --> 00:48:55,432
Never heard of that before.

1123
00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,477
And that's exactly what he did.

1124
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:01,855
He ingratiated himself
with you.

1125
00:49:02,773 --> 00:49:04,483
He became your friend.

1126
00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:07,736
He would take photos of guys.

1127
00:49:07,861 --> 00:49:09,988
He would give you his card
and tell you

1128
00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:12,366
he can start
a modeling career for you.

1129
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,869
I mean, we'd often see him
around with a camera.

1130
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,704
[camera shutter clicking]

1131
00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:22,501
He took pictures of Jim Jordan

1132
00:49:22,584 --> 00:49:24,294
for Russ Hellickson's book.

1133
00:49:25,754 --> 00:49:27,673
[Knight] Oh, Doc takes photos?

1134
00:49:28,465 --> 00:49:30,550
And the weird thing,
you hear that he's, like,

1135
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:33,220
really good at it, he takes
really good black-and-whites.

1136
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,264
And we heard this one wrestler
got a photo shoot

1137
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:40,143
and... and it got
some modeling stuff out of it,

1138
00:49:40,227 --> 00:49:41,853
got a modeling contract,

1139
00:49:41,937 --> 00:49:43,897
and he started having success
as a model.

1140
00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:46,441
You know, made money.

1141
00:49:46,566 --> 00:49:47,901
And it was like, "Wow.

1142
00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,778
Okay." You know?

1143
00:49:49,903 --> 00:49:52,906
[soft, tense music fades]

1144
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,200
During the summertime,
I was trying to get

1145
00:49:55,283 --> 00:49:57,244
into some modeling stuff

1146
00:49:57,327 --> 00:49:59,287
just to make some extra money.

1147
00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:01,999
And,

1148
00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:03,625
uh, Dr. Strauss said,

1149
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:06,086
"If you need shots,
I can do it.

1150
00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:07,921
I-I'm a photographer."

1151
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:11,550
I'm like a-- I'm a poor
college student, you know?

1152
00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:13,802
I'm like, "How much
is it gonna be?"

1153
00:50:13,927 --> 00:50:15,262
He goes, "Don't worry about it.

1154
00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:16,555
I-I do this for--

1155
00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:17,723
just for the fun of it."

1156
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,227
So, I went to his house.

1157
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,896
[soft, uneasy music playing]

1158
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:27,441
[breathes deeply]

1159
00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:30,193
He, uh, he had
his little studio set up

1160
00:50:30,277 --> 00:50:33,155
in one of his rooms,
and he goes,

1161
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,741
"Let's take some shots
without your shirt on."

1162
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:38,243
[camera shutter clicks]

1163
00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:43,623
And I took a couple shots
without my shirt on.

1164
00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:44,833
[flash fires]

1165
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:47,210
And then he's kinda putting

1166
00:50:47,294 --> 00:50:48,962
his hands on me.

1167
00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:52,466
And he starts pulling
my pants down and...

1168
00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,802
I'm like, "Mm-mm. No.

1169
00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:57,429
Not doing that."

1170
00:50:57,512 --> 00:50:59,806
[uneasy music continues]

1171
00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:03,226
[breathes deeply]

1172
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:06,396
He, uh, he brought out
the-the negatives and said,

1173
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,108
"Hey, let's-- you know,
what about these pictures?"

1174
00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:13,320
So we got back
to the pictures and...

1175
00:51:15,155 --> 00:51:17,240
You know, I look back
on a situation like that,

1176
00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,534
I'm like, I put myself
in that position, you know?

1177
00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:21,203
Why would I do that?

1178
00:51:21,828 --> 00:51:24,081
I mean, I know how this guy is,

1179
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,500
and I put myself
in that position.

1180
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:30,253
So, I'm like, am I bringing
this on to myself?

1181
00:51:30,337 --> 00:51:32,172
Am I-- You know?

1182
00:51:32,297 --> 00:51:34,382
Why did I put myself
in that position?

1183
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:37,803
But I did.

1184
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,353
I started being told
many times,

1185
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,855
"You're Dr. Strauss's favorite,
aren't you? He is.

1186
00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:51,149
You're Dr. Strauss's favorite."

1187
00:51:51,233 --> 00:51:52,776
And just like that,

1188
00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:56,404
Dr. Strauss was always there.

1189
00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:58,573
So, yeah.

1190
00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:01,451
-[indistinct shouting]
-Shit, man!

1191
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:03,453
Push him, Dan, push him!

1192
00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:06,540
[indistinct muffled chatter]

1193
00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:09,668
[Novakowski]
He was always there.

1194
00:52:10,544 --> 00:52:12,838
You'd come off the ice,
and he's there.

1195
00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:15,173
[tense music playing]

1196
00:52:16,883 --> 00:52:19,636
And, of course,
if anything happened,

1197
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,429
he would check you.

1198
00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:23,431
You didn't have a choice.

1199
00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:28,061
At that level, you're supposed
to compartmentalize,

1200
00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,229
put your shit away,

1201
00:52:29,312 --> 00:52:31,064
you're on the ice
doing your job.

1202
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,817
And I just couldn't.

1203
00:52:35,068 --> 00:52:37,070
-[door opens, creaks]
-[wheels rattle]

1204
00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:38,738
I just could never get
my shit together.

1205
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:42,701
In practice, you're like,
"What was that all about?"

1206
00:52:44,786 --> 00:52:47,539
You run drills in practice,
and I was having trouble

1207
00:52:47,622 --> 00:52:49,291
remembering
what the next thing was.

1208
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:50,542
I mean, I was a mess.

1209
00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:55,589
I was focused.
I mean, I was a machine

1210
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:58,592
coming here, and then
the-the wheels came off.

1211
00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:02,345
[announcer] Another fight,
Al Nova-- Novakowski.

1212
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,639
[Novakowski]
You've got no one to talk to

1213
00:53:04,764 --> 00:53:06,391
'cause you don't know
that you're the only one

1214
00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:07,767
this is happening to,

1215
00:53:08,351 --> 00:53:11,771
and it just continued
to spiral.

1216
00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:14,733
I was never the same person.

1217
00:53:16,109 --> 00:53:19,112
[dramatic beat plays, fades]

1218
00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:22,741
I remember

1219
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,452
it was Sunday morning,
and I slept in.

1220
00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:28,038
You don't sleep in.
You don't miss practice.

1221
00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:29,873
And I remember getting there
and going, like,

1222
00:53:29,956 --> 00:53:31,583
"Oh, my God,
I'm in so much trouble."

1223
00:53:34,127 --> 00:53:36,630
I went to the coach's office

1224
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:40,383
and said, "Look, I'm--
I'm really sorry, you know?"

1225
00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,594
He said, "You're done."

1226
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:45,555
Said, "Uh,
what do you mean I'm done?"

1227
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,641
He goes, "You're nothing
but a fucking cancer

1228
00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,267
to this hockey team."

1229
00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:55,273
And my whole body just kinda--
just kind of, uh...

1230
00:53:55,357 --> 00:53:58,235
[solemn music playing]

1231
00:53:58,318 --> 00:54:00,195
He just ended my dream.

1232
00:54:01,988 --> 00:54:04,241
My whole world
has just exploded.

1233
00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:07,535
I didn't know
what to say to him,

1234
00:54:07,661 --> 00:54:08,995
and I got up,

1235
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,497
and... [spluttering]

1236
00:54:10,622 --> 00:54:12,999
...I left the rink
and I never went back.

1237
00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,303
[Ritchie] I remember,
during practice,

1238
00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,347
I separated my shoulder,

1239
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:29,140
and Russ said,
"Go have Dr. Strauss

1240
00:54:29,224 --> 00:54:30,558
check out your shoulder."

1241
00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:32,269
[sighs] "Okay.

1242
00:54:32,352 --> 00:54:33,353
Here we go."

1243
00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:36,606
[foreboding music playing]

1244
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:37,774
[wheels rattling]

1245
00:54:37,857 --> 00:54:40,068
And I'm standing there

1246
00:54:40,193 --> 00:54:41,903
naked in front of this man.

1247
00:54:42,612 --> 00:54:44,739
[light clicks]

1248
00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,700
Does the same exam.

1249
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:50,287
You know, rubbing
behind your-your testicles,

1250
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,664
and then pulling on my-my penis,

1251
00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:54,499
and kind of giving it
some pulls.

1252
00:54:54,582 --> 00:54:56,334
And I'm-I'm tense,

1253
00:54:56,418 --> 00:54:58,545
and I'm staring up
at the ceiling like,

1254
00:54:58,628 --> 00:55:00,171
"Please let this end,
please let this end,

1255
00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:01,464
please let this end."

1256
00:55:01,548 --> 00:55:02,799
He kept going,

1257
00:55:02,882 --> 00:55:04,050
and I'm looking down

1258
00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:05,385
at the top of his head.

1259
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:06,845
That's how close he was.

1260
00:55:06,928 --> 00:55:08,638
He leans in

1261
00:55:08,722 --> 00:55:10,015
as he's doing this,

1262
00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,266
and when he does,

1263
00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:12,517
I start pulling away.

1264
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,893
I pull my hips away,

1265
00:55:13,977 --> 00:55:15,312
and then he leans back and says,

1266
00:55:15,395 --> 00:55:16,646
"All right, pull 'em up."

1267
00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:20,233
I pulled them up, didn't say
two words to him, I left.

1268
00:55:22,944 --> 00:55:24,654
I didn't go to practice.

1269
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:28,074
I vanished for a couple weeks.

1270
00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:31,369
[soft music playing]

1271
00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:34,039
Finally, I went
into Russ's office.

1272
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,292
And I said, "Russ,

1273
00:55:37,417 --> 00:55:38,793
I'm done.

1274
00:55:39,461 --> 00:55:40,670
I can't do this."

1275
00:55:41,921 --> 00:55:43,631
And he said, "Well...

1276
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,968
if you want to come back,

1277
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:48,720
you can always come back,

1278
00:55:48,803 --> 00:55:50,930
but all right then."

1279
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:52,724
And that's what I got from him.

1280
00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:55,310
After wrestling
for three years,

1281
00:55:55,435 --> 00:55:58,271
that was the extent
of the conversation.

1282
00:55:59,773 --> 00:56:01,649
And that was the last time

1283
00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,943
that I was on that team.

1284
00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,154
I walked away from wrestling

1285
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:07,655
at Ohio State,

1286
00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:10,825
and I dropped out of school

1287
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,536
because I didn't have
my scholarship anymore.

1288
00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:17,999
[announcer] And the state
champion, Dan Ritchie.

1289
00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:20,001
[crowd cheering]

1290
00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:22,629
[Ritchie] My dad was so angry.

1291
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,174
My dad was like, "You have
a year and a half left.

1292
00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:27,342
Why can't you do it?"

1293
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,553
And I couldn't tell him.

1294
00:56:31,304 --> 00:56:32,806
I didn't know how.

1295
00:56:35,183 --> 00:56:37,268
I was not strong enough or able

1296
00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:40,480
to explain to him that...

1297
00:56:40,563 --> 00:56:42,357
[sniffles, swallows]

1298
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,150
...this is... [sighs]

1299
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:46,778
...this is what happened.

1300
00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:53,535
And... I can't--
I can't deal with it.

1301
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:55,036
[sniffles]

1302
00:56:57,872 --> 00:56:59,249
And I think...

1303
00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:02,752
I think the inability of that...

1304
00:57:05,004 --> 00:57:08,967
it did put a negative, uh...

1305
00:57:12,846 --> 00:57:16,724
Our relationship hasn't been
the same, I think, since.

1306
00:57:17,892 --> 00:57:21,020
[somber music playing]

1307
00:57:23,523 --> 00:57:25,233
[woman] Did you tell
your parents?

1308
00:57:26,526 --> 00:57:29,028
Did I tell my parents
my scholarship was pulled?

1309
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:33,032
No. No.

1310
00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:35,410
No.

1311
00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:39,664
What's-- What's-- [chuckles]

1312
00:57:39,747 --> 00:57:42,292
What's-- What's the next
question gonna be?

1313
00:57:42,375 --> 00:57:44,711
"Why-- Why are you
kicked off the team?"

1314
00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:46,421
Um, telling your parents,

1315
00:57:46,546 --> 00:57:49,382
who are, you know,
they're-they're...

1316
00:57:49,507 --> 00:57:51,176
Ah, I mean...

1317
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,596
No, I did not tell my parents
I was kicked off the team,

1318
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,224
and I did not tell them
I lost my scholarship. Uh...

1319
00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,101
Told some people
I wasn't playing anymore,

1320
00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:01,561
and they said, "Well, how come?"

1321
00:58:01,644 --> 00:58:03,480
I just told them
I wasn't good enough.

1322
00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:08,735
Had some people going like,
"What are you talking about?"

1323
00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,653
Especially some of the guys
who knew me,

1324
00:58:10,737 --> 00:58:13,781
some of the old coaches, guys
who'd watched me play junior.

1325
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,451
Like, "What are you...
talking about?"

1326
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:18,203
And I would just avoid
the question.

1327
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,624
But I-I internalized
that lie, I guess.

1328
00:58:22,749 --> 00:58:24,626
I started drinking quite a bit

1329
00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:27,378
and descended into depression.

1330
00:58:29,088 --> 00:58:30,798
[bell tolls]

1331
00:58:33,635 --> 00:58:36,012
[Wertheim] Meanwhile,
Dr. Strauss is ascending

1332
00:58:36,095 --> 00:58:37,430
and expanding.

1333
00:58:38,848 --> 00:58:40,517
So imagine this,
here's a guy who has

1334
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,893
this welter of complaints

1335
00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:43,478
going back more than a decade,

1336
00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:45,146
and what does Ohio State do?

1337
00:58:45,271 --> 00:58:47,524
[suspenseful music playing]

1338
00:58:47,607 --> 00:58:48,942
They promote him.

1339
00:58:50,276 --> 00:58:53,863
He becomes the main physician
at OSU's general health center.

1340
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,157
You say, "Wait a second. What?!

1341
00:58:56,282 --> 00:58:57,909
Everyone knew this.

1342
00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,410
The team doctor showers

1343
00:58:59,494 --> 00:59:01,162
with the athletes
over and over,

1344
00:59:01,287 --> 00:59:03,122
and you promote this guy?"

1345
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,626
But that's bafflingly
exactly what Ohio State does.

1346
00:59:06,751 --> 00:59:09,420
And so, Dr. Strauss continues
what he's been doing

1347
00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:11,923
for the last decade-plus,

1348
00:59:12,006 --> 00:59:14,342
which is assaulting
college-age males

1349
00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:17,845
under the guise of being
a medical professional.

1350
00:59:20,473 --> 00:59:21,599
[music fades]

1351
00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:23,268
I had a lump on my chest,

1352
00:59:23,351 --> 00:59:25,645
so I decided that I needed
to go get it checked.

1353
00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:27,313
So I looked up
in the student directory

1354
00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:29,148
and saw that there was
a medical center

1355
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:30,525
and went there.

1356
00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:34,487
And they said, "We're gonna
give you to Dr. Strauss."

1357
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:35,863
This physician walks in,

1358
00:59:35,989 --> 00:59:38,116
he was kind of
a smaller type guy.

1359
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:39,993
Seemed polite enough.

1360
00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:41,786
And he started asking me,

1361
00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:43,580
you know, questions
about what had happened,

1362
00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,790
and, you know,
what I was there for,

1363
00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:48,418
then he started to get into
some really weird questions

1364
00:59:48,501 --> 00:59:51,671
about if I was gay
and just all kinds of stuff,

1365
00:59:51,754 --> 00:59:53,464
and it was just
really odd to me.

1366
00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,008
And then he made me de-clothe.

1367
00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:56,718
He had me get completely naked,

1368
00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:59,429
which just seemed very weird
to me as well,

1369
00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:01,931
but again, he's a medical
doctor, I was a kid, you know?

1370
01:00:02,015 --> 01:00:05,310
I-I thought I gotta listen
to whatever this guy says to do.

1371
01:00:05,393 --> 01:00:09,022
And he, uh, proceeded to give me
a genital examination.

1372
01:00:09,105 --> 01:00:11,399
[tense music playing]

1373
01:00:11,524 --> 01:00:13,776
And I don't remember
any gloves being used.

1374
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,279
And I can remember his breath.

1375
01:00:16,362 --> 01:00:18,197
Like, I can remember
his breath on my genitals

1376
01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:19,449
when he was examining them.

1377
01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:23,119
Then he asked, you know,
if I ever wanted to sleep

1378
01:00:23,202 --> 01:00:25,121
with more than just one person.

1379
01:00:25,204 --> 01:00:27,582
At that point, I was starting
to get really uncomfortable

1380
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,500
because I understood
something wasn't right.

1381
01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:32,795
Then he was holding my chest

1382
01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:35,298
and he was like massaging it,
and that's when he started

1383
01:00:35,381 --> 01:00:37,300
to thrust his pelvis
into my side,

1384
01:00:37,383 --> 01:00:39,552
and I-I could tell
that he had an erection,

1385
01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:41,012
and then I was just mortified

1386
01:00:41,095 --> 01:00:42,847
'cause I just didn't know
what to do.

1387
01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:45,058
Then I'm trying to get
out of the situation

1388
01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:46,601
the best that I could.

1389
01:00:47,268 --> 01:00:48,561
And I left.

1390
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:49,812
[door creaking]

1391
01:00:50,813 --> 01:00:53,107
And I remember, I was so angry.

1392
01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:54,484
I called the next day,

1393
01:00:54,567 --> 01:00:56,110
and I got Ted Grace
on the phone,

1394
01:00:56,235 --> 01:00:58,112
the head of Student Services.

1395
01:00:58,237 --> 01:01:00,365
He said, "Well, you know,
if you want to come in here,

1396
01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:03,701
we can try to talk about this
and sit down with Strauss."

1397
01:01:04,285 --> 01:01:06,204
I think it's really relevant

1398
01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:09,248
that what is, in effect,
the first whistleblower

1399
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:11,042
is not an athlete.

1400
01:01:11,751 --> 01:01:13,628
Steve Snyder-Hill
doesn't have to worry

1401
01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:15,505
about the power balance
that comes with,

1402
01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:17,173
"Hey, I could lose
my scholarship,"

1403
01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:19,384
or the shame
in the locker room.

1404
01:01:19,467 --> 01:01:21,219
So he has that power.

1405
01:01:21,302 --> 01:01:23,096
[woman] Raise your right hand,
please.

1406
01:01:23,179 --> 01:01:25,348
Do you swear the testimony
you're about to give will be

1407
01:01:25,431 --> 01:01:27,850
the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?

1408
01:01:27,934 --> 01:01:29,268
-I do.
-Thank you.

1409
01:01:31,145 --> 01:01:32,897
-[man] Morning, Dr. Grace.
-Good morning.

1410
01:01:32,980 --> 01:01:34,982
[man] My name is Ilann Maazel.

1411
01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:46,786
My firm is most well-known
for taking on

1412
01:01:46,869 --> 01:01:48,788
powerful interests,
the city, the state,

1413
01:01:48,913 --> 01:01:50,665
the United States government,

1414
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:52,959
uh, lots of big companies,

1415
01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:54,919
lots of important,
powerful people,

1416
01:01:55,002 --> 01:01:56,421
and speaking truth to power.

1417
01:01:56,504 --> 01:01:57,547
That's what we do.

1418
01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:59,924
Dr. Strauss was
under your command

1419
01:02:00,007 --> 01:02:01,342
at Student Health, correct?

1420
01:02:02,009 --> 01:02:03,136
Correct.

1421
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:06,013
[Maazel] Dr. Grace, I would say,

1422
01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:07,724
was the only person at OSU

1423
01:02:07,807 --> 01:02:10,351
who ever did anything
about Dr. Strauss.

1424
01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:14,021
And the scary thing is,
I think that's true.

1425
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,358
He's the one and only person
who ever did anything

1426
01:02:17,483 --> 01:02:20,570
about Dr. Strauss for 20 years.

1427
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,990
And it began, finally, in 1995.

1428
01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:28,244
You attended a meeting
with Mr. Snyder-Hill

1429
01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:29,829
and Dr. Strauss, right?

1430
01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:30,913
Correct.

1431
01:02:31,873 --> 01:02:34,834
So I walked in,
and there was Dr. Strauss.

1432
01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:38,254
Dr. Strauss was really cordial,

1433
01:02:38,337 --> 01:02:39,881
but then when I said
the part about

1434
01:02:40,006 --> 01:02:41,466
where he pushed
his erection against me,

1435
01:02:41,549 --> 01:02:43,509
he slammed down
on the table really hard

1436
01:02:43,634 --> 01:02:46,179
and screamed, "You're just
trying to ruin my reputation!"

1437
01:02:46,262 --> 01:02:48,931
[tense, suspenseful music
playing]

1438
01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:51,309
I remember just being frozen
'cause, you know, I was a kid

1439
01:02:51,392 --> 01:02:53,311
and I looked
at these doctors in the room

1440
01:02:53,394 --> 01:02:56,105
and I-I was like, "I don't know
what to say right now,"

1441
01:02:56,189 --> 01:02:58,816
and neither did they.
They were just all in shock.

1442
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:01,235
You know, you doubt yourself
because you're sitting here

1443
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,614
thinking, "Well, maybe he had
a wallet in his pocket.

1444
01:03:04,697 --> 01:03:06,741
Maybe I was confused
and mistaken."

1445
01:03:07,366 --> 01:03:09,368
And so, after that,
you know, I went out,

1446
01:03:09,452 --> 01:03:11,454
and I was just upset
at the time.

1447
01:03:11,537 --> 01:03:13,623
Left. Ted Grace called me later

1448
01:03:13,706 --> 01:03:15,792
and he said, "What can we do
to make this right?"

1449
01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:18,294
And I said, "If you tell me
I'm confused and mistaken,

1450
01:03:18,377 --> 01:03:20,546
I will believe you
if you can tell me

1451
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:22,089
it never happened
to anybody else."

1452
01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:23,841
And then that's what he said,
you know,

1453
01:03:23,925 --> 01:03:25,468
"I promise you
it's never happened."

1454
01:03:25,551 --> 01:03:26,969
And so then I said, "Great,

1455
01:03:27,053 --> 01:03:28,805
then put it in a letter to me."

1456
01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:30,932
And there was silence
on the phone.

1457
01:03:31,057 --> 01:03:32,767
Like, I could tell
that bothered him.

1458
01:03:32,892 --> 01:03:35,937
But a couple days later,
I got a letter from him.

1459
01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,357
[Maazel] This is
a letter you wrote

1460
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,943
Stephen Snyder-Hill
on January 26th, 1995.

1461
01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:43,486
-Correct?
-Correct.

1462
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:46,489
[Maazel] And you wrote, quote...

1463
01:03:46,572 --> 01:03:48,616
[reading highlighted text]

1464
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:53,663
Close quote.

1465
01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:56,290
Now, that was actually
a false statement.

1466
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:57,583
-Correct?
-Correct.

1467
01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:00,837
[Snyder-Hill] Now I find out
24 years later

1468
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,589
that a kid complained
three days before me.

1469
01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:06,008
Three days before me.

1470
01:04:06,467 --> 01:04:09,595
[Maazel] Did you ever tell
Stephen Snyder-Hill

1471
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,931
about this student's complaint?

1472
01:04:12,056 --> 01:04:15,268
[tense music playing]

1473
01:04:15,393 --> 01:04:17,603
I don't believe I did.

1474
01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:24,235
I, by the way,
would like to add this

1475
01:04:24,318 --> 01:04:26,070
to the record,
if you don't mind.

1476
01:04:26,153 --> 01:04:27,738
-Go ahead.
-I didn't realize

1477
01:04:27,822 --> 01:04:30,533
that-that I had made
a misstatement

1478
01:04:30,616 --> 01:04:31,659
until recently.

1479
01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:34,537
[Maazel] But you wrote
this letter 23 days

1480
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:36,539
after this student's
complaint, right?

1481
01:04:36,622 --> 01:04:37,623
I know.

1482
01:04:37,748 --> 01:04:39,959
But it-it-- it was--

1483
01:04:40,793 --> 01:04:42,587
I don't-- I'm guessing

1484
01:04:42,670 --> 01:04:46,424
that I didn't yet know
about the first complaint

1485
01:04:46,507 --> 01:04:49,135
when I wrote this
'cause there's no--

1486
01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:51,762
I would not have-- I be--
No, you don't know me,

1487
01:04:51,846 --> 01:04:53,848
but I wouldn't intentionally
lie to Stephen Hill.

1488
01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:55,308
There's no reason to.

1489
01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:56,851
[Maazel] Well,
Stephen Hill told you

1490
01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:59,645
that if there had been
any prior complaints

1491
01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:02,023
against Dr.-- let me finish--
against Dr. Strauss,

1492
01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:04,317
he was not gonna drop
the charges, right?

1493
01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:05,610
That's what he told you.

1494
01:05:05,693 --> 01:05:06,986
And what does--

1495
01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:08,571
What does
"drop the charges" mean?

1496
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:10,406
[Maazel] Can you answer
that question, please?

1497
01:05:10,489 --> 01:05:12,116
He told you,
"You need to tell me

1498
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,576
there's never been
a prior complaint,

1499
01:05:13,659 --> 01:05:15,077
or I'm not dropping
the charges."

1500
01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:16,787
That's what these notes say.

1501
01:05:16,871 --> 01:05:18,372
[Maazel] And we're talking
about charges

1502
01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:20,374
of sexual misconduct
and sexual assault

1503
01:05:20,499 --> 01:05:23,711
against your doctor,
Dr. Strauss, right?

1504
01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:25,504
That is-- That is correct.

1505
01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:28,132
I mean, I-I wanted to get that
on the record.

1506
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,009
I made a mistake

1507
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,844
when I told him that.

1508
01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:34,263
[Snyder-Hill]
They lied to me. They told me

1509
01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:35,932
what to believe
and I believed them,

1510
01:05:36,015 --> 01:05:37,975
and I-I took their word for it.

1511
01:05:38,059 --> 01:05:40,186
And so, I went about my life

1512
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:43,314
believing I had been wrong
about this man.

1513
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:47,276
And it was so beyond
what I imagined.

1514
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:49,528
So beyond.

1515
01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:51,948
[engine humming]

1516
01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:56,953
[music fades]

1517
01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:58,913
One evening,
I wasn't feeling great

1518
01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:00,456
and I was having trouble
swallowing.

1519
01:06:00,539 --> 01:06:04,210
I think probably it was
too much vodka or whatever.

1520
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:05,920
So my roommate
gave me a ride down

1521
01:06:06,045 --> 01:06:07,797
to the Student Health Center,

1522
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,050
and I went in, you know,
like a normal student,

1523
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:12,718
which kinda sucked
because I was used

1524
01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:14,595
to being an athlete
and you're, you know...

1525
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,389
But I was a normal student
at the time,

1526
01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:18,224
so I'm-I'm-I'm standing there
in line

1527
01:06:18,307 --> 01:06:20,685
and, you know, just minding
my own business, and then,

1528
01:06:20,768 --> 01:06:22,436
I look and there he is.

1529
01:06:23,437 --> 01:06:24,897
There's Dr. Strauss.

1530
01:06:25,648 --> 01:06:28,359
That time, he didn't do
all the stuff he usually did.

1531
01:06:28,442 --> 01:06:31,404
It was a very...
quick examination.

1532
01:06:31,487 --> 01:06:33,489
And he goes,
"It's your epiglottis,"

1533
01:06:33,572 --> 01:06:35,324
and he goes,
"It moves like this,"

1534
01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,159
and it was in spasm.

1535
01:06:37,243 --> 01:06:40,079
Doc said, you know, "In order
to get rid of the spasm,

1536
01:06:40,204 --> 01:06:42,039
we will, um,
we're gonna sedate you.

1537
01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:43,958
We're gonna give you
a sedative, it'll relax you,

1538
01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:45,793
and that'll come out of spasm."

1539
01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:47,545
So I was thankful.
You know, like,

1540
01:06:47,628 --> 01:06:50,131
"Thank you for being a doctor."

1541
01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:52,466
[light music playing]

1542
01:06:52,591 --> 01:06:54,051
He gave me a shot

1543
01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:55,594
at the hospital

1544
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,971
to relax me.

1545
01:06:57,096 --> 01:06:59,348
[music turns dark and distorts]

1546
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:01,475
And he said, "Let me
give you a ride home."

1547
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,062
I don't remember getting
into the car, but I remember

1548
01:07:05,146 --> 01:07:07,398
he helped me go up to my room.

1549
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:10,943
I laid down.

1550
01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,653
I couldn't move.

1551
01:07:13,279 --> 01:07:14,447
I was sort of paralyzed.

1552
01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:16,490
He was rubbing my side

1553
01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:18,451
or my back, and I thought,

1554
01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,745
"What the fuck?
This is weird," but again,

1555
01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:23,205
you're so out,
you're trying-- you're...

1556
01:07:23,998 --> 01:07:25,416
trying to process,

1557
01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:27,126
but you're so stoned
or whatever it is,

1558
01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:29,045
I mean, you don't really...

1559
01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:31,839
So, um...

1560
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,052
[music fades]

1561
01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:37,928
Yeah, then he raped me.

1562
01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:46,312
[grim music playing]

1563
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:51,150
I woke up in the morning

1564
01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:52,693
and, um...

1565
01:07:55,821 --> 01:07:57,156
[exhales deeply]

1566
01:08:03,746 --> 01:08:05,414
...I was trying to process it,

1567
01:08:05,498 --> 01:08:07,416
you know, like, what-- what--

1568
01:08:09,877 --> 01:08:11,378
Trying to remember
the night, like,

1569
01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:14,006
how did we get here,
how did we get--

1570
01:08:14,757 --> 01:08:17,009
How did we get to this?

1571
01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:18,552
And, um...

1572
01:08:22,014 --> 01:08:24,016
Yeah, I was in--
I was in fucking shock.

1573
01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:26,227
Like, I was in-- Like, I was...

1574
01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:29,146
I was-- I was-- [chuckles]

1575
01:08:30,856 --> 01:08:32,441
[sighs]

1576
01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:35,778
And who are you gonna tell?

1577
01:08:35,861 --> 01:08:38,572
Like, who...
who am I gonna tell?

1578
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,952
[melancholy music playing]

1579
01:08:45,704 --> 01:08:48,582
[Marshall] By the time
I interviewed Al Novakowski,

1580
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:52,962
the investigation
had identified 47 rape victims.

1581
01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:55,422
Now we know he was number 48.

1582
01:08:55,548 --> 01:08:57,675
When I found out that they knew,

1583
01:08:58,384 --> 01:09:00,386
when I found out
that The Ohio State University

1584
01:09:00,469 --> 01:09:04,014
knew he groped and touched
the athletes,

1585
01:09:04,098 --> 01:09:06,851
I was beyond... [chuckles]

1586
01:09:06,934 --> 01:09:09,061
Well, to this day,
I'm thinking, "Holy shit.

1587
01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:11,313
Did these people not have kids?

1588
01:09:11,397 --> 01:09:14,233
Did these people not have
hearts or souls?" Like...

1589
01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:17,778
Like, there's a special place
for these people,

1590
01:09:17,903 --> 01:09:19,530
and it's not heaven.

1591
01:09:19,613 --> 01:09:22,449
For those that knew, can you--
Like, they knew it!

1592
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:26,328
[Marshall] How many others
are out there

1593
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,416
who may never share
their story publicly?

1594
01:09:30,499 --> 01:09:33,419
[somber music playing]

1595
01:09:35,588 --> 01:09:37,464
[Novakowski exhales deeply]

1596
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,425
[Novakowski]
I dropped out of school.

1597
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:42,845
And Dr. Strauss

1598
01:09:42,928 --> 01:09:44,555
went on,

1599
01:09:44,638 --> 01:09:45,681
year

1600
01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:47,975
after year

1601
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,393
after year.

1602
01:09:59,445 --> 01:10:02,156
[Maazel] So I'm showing you
exhibit 19.

1603
01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:05,284
Another
very disturbing incident.

1604
01:10:05,409 --> 01:10:06,869
-Right?
-Yes.

1605
01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:08,621
[Maazel] This is now the third

1606
01:10:08,704 --> 01:10:10,289
direct complaint
against Dr. Strauss?

1607
01:10:10,414 --> 01:10:12,291
-[Grace] Correct.
-The Student A complaint

1608
01:10:12,374 --> 01:10:14,543
was January 3rd, 1995, correct?

1609
01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:15,961
[Grace] Correct.

1610
01:10:16,462 --> 01:10:18,672
[Maazel] Student B complaint was
January 6th, 1995.

1611
01:10:18,797 --> 01:10:20,049
-Right?
-[Grace] Correct.

1612
01:10:20,132 --> 01:10:21,300
And you wrote this memo

1613
01:10:21,383 --> 01:10:23,510
on January 10th, 1996, right?

1614
01:10:24,803 --> 01:10:27,264
-[Grace] Correct.
-So that's over a year later.

1615
01:10:27,848 --> 01:10:28,891
Correct.

1616
01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:33,520
[Maazel] This student reported

1617
01:10:34,521 --> 01:10:37,483
that Dr. Strauss commented
on his big muscles,

1618
01:10:37,566 --> 01:10:39,151
asked him
to take off his shirt.

1619
01:10:39,276 --> 01:10:41,362
-[Grace] Yes.
-Dr. Strauss told Student C,

1620
01:10:41,487 --> 01:10:43,697
"Take everything off
from the waist down,"

1621
01:10:43,822 --> 01:10:46,408
and did a slow exam
that Student C described

1622
01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:48,744
as fondling and like nothing
he'd ever had before.

1623
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:50,329
[Grace] Right.

1624
01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:52,831
[Maazel] And then
the student ejaculated.

1625
01:10:52,957 --> 01:10:54,500
-Right?
-Yes.

1626
01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:56,502
Have you ever heard about
a patient who ejaculated

1627
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:57,836
during a medical examination?

1628
01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,296
No.

1629
01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,048
The only time
you ever heard that is

1630
01:11:01,173 --> 01:11:02,800
in the context
of Dr. Strauss, right?

1631
01:11:02,883 --> 01:11:03,926
Yes.

1632
01:11:04,677 --> 01:11:06,387
During the investigation
of that complaint,

1633
01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:08,347
you placed Dr. Strauss
on administrative leave.

1634
01:11:08,472 --> 01:11:09,848
-Correct?
-[Grace] Correct.

1635
01:11:09,974 --> 01:11:13,519
[uneasy music playing]

1636
01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,773
[Maazel] One of the incredible
things about this case is,

1637
01:11:18,357 --> 01:11:21,193
you know, Dr. Grace
did not report

1638
01:11:21,318 --> 01:11:22,987
Dr. Strauss
to the medical board.

1639
01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:25,698
It was Dr. Strauss

1640
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,867
who reported Dr. Grace
to the medical board.

1641
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:33,956
He complained that Dr. Grace

1642
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:37,418
had confronted him
over alleged sexual abuse,

1643
01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:39,128
and Dr. Strauss was
the one being wronged.

1644
01:11:39,211 --> 01:11:40,921
He was the one being harassed.

1645
01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:44,133
Over three months
after Student C's complaint

1646
01:11:44,216 --> 01:11:46,302
is when Dr. Strauss complains

1647
01:11:46,385 --> 01:11:47,678
to the medical board about you.

1648
01:11:47,761 --> 01:11:49,680
-Yes.
-And so, at that point,

1649
01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:51,598
you had not spoken
with the medical board.

1650
01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:53,058
-Correct?
-Correct.

1651
01:11:53,183 --> 01:11:55,019
Or had any contact
with the medical board.

1652
01:11:55,102 --> 01:11:57,354
Correct? Or made any complaint
about Dr. Strauss

1653
01:11:57,438 --> 01:11:59,398
-to the medical board. Correct?
-Correct.

1654
01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:02,985
[Maazel] And then in July 1996,

1655
01:12:03,068 --> 01:12:04,570
you did meet
with the medical board.

1656
01:12:04,653 --> 01:12:05,738
-Correct?
-Yes.

1657
01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:07,031
[Maazel] Because of

1658
01:12:07,114 --> 01:12:08,490
Dr. Strauss's complaint.

1659
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:09,950
-Right?
-[Grace] Correct.

1660
01:12:11,744 --> 01:12:13,620
[Maazel] When Dr. Grace
finally was interviewed

1661
01:12:13,746 --> 01:12:15,122
by the medical board,

1662
01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:17,624
the medical board on its own

1663
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:19,585
then initiated an investigation

1664
01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:20,836
into Dr. Strauss.

1665
01:12:20,919 --> 01:12:22,254
So as of July 1996,

1666
01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:23,756
no one at the university
filed any kind

1667
01:12:23,839 --> 01:12:25,424
of complaint
against Dr. Strauss,

1668
01:12:25,507 --> 01:12:26,633
correct?

1669
01:12:27,509 --> 01:12:29,053
Not in writing.

1670
01:12:29,803 --> 01:12:32,264
[Maazel] Well, according to
the medical board, not at all.

1671
01:12:34,099 --> 01:12:36,143
After this, what OSU did

1672
01:12:36,268 --> 01:12:39,646
is they had a secret
disciplinary hearing

1673
01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:40,981
for Dr. Strauss.

1674
01:12:41,106 --> 01:12:43,108
Didn't reveal the findings, uh,

1675
01:12:43,192 --> 01:12:46,111
to the student body
or pretty much anyone,

1676
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,864
and then they very quietly
removed him

1677
01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:50,991
from being the team physician

1678
01:12:51,116 --> 01:12:53,118
and from
Student Health Services.

1679
01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:56,663
Quote, "On August 5th, 1996,
Williams informed Strauss

1680
01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:58,957
that he considered
all the information

1681
01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:01,251
and Williams had determined
that Strauss's appointment

1682
01:13:01,335 --> 01:13:03,712
would not be renewed
effective immediately."

1683
01:13:03,796 --> 01:13:06,131
Correct? But everything else
was renewed, right?

1684
01:13:06,215 --> 01:13:09,426
He was still a professor
of Internal Medicine. Right?

1685
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:11,887
Still a professor
of Preventive Medicine. Right?

1686
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:13,847
Still a professor
at the School of Public Health.

1687
01:13:13,972 --> 01:13:15,391
[Grace] Correct.

1688
01:13:15,974 --> 01:13:18,227
[Maazel] The university
never fired Dr. Strauss, right?

1689
01:13:19,311 --> 01:13:20,354
Not that I'm aware.

1690
01:13:22,022 --> 01:13:24,983
Richard Strauss
finally retired voluntarily

1691
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:26,360
in 1998.

1692
01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,822
And even after he retired,

1693
01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:32,533
OSU gave him emeritus status.

1694
01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:35,327
It's an honor to have
emeritus status.

1695
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:36,995
-Yes.
-And OSU

1696
01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:39,206
gave Dr. Strauss that honor.

1697
01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:41,166
-Yes.
-Did they have to do that?

1698
01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:42,876
I guess not.

1699
01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:45,712
This is hardly someone
who has been disgraced,

1700
01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,550
who leaves Columbus
in-in this horrible exile

1701
01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:50,926
with a cloud over him.

1702
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:54,012
This is an esteemed
Ohio State faculty member

1703
01:13:54,138 --> 01:13:57,266
who decides to move out west
to the sunshine.

1704
01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:00,352
This is someone who sets up
practice in California.

1705
01:14:00,436 --> 01:14:02,479
He still can put on the wall,
still can tell people

1706
01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:05,441
he's Emeritus Professor
at The Ohio State.

1707
01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:07,943
This is not someone
who has suffered consequence

1708
01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:09,862
for-for grievous crimes.

1709
01:14:09,987 --> 01:14:12,197
[dramatic music softens]

1710
01:14:14,366 --> 01:14:17,578
[Maazel] He sexually abused
football players,

1711
01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:18,996
wrestlers,

1712
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:20,914
tennis players,

1713
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,418
hockey players, fencers.

1714
01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:27,337
He sexually abused students
who were not athletes

1715
01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:29,590
whom he saw
in Student Health Services.

1716
01:14:29,715 --> 01:14:31,216
He did this repeatedly,

1717
01:14:31,341 --> 01:14:34,595
he did it
right under the nose of OSU.

1718
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,513
And the whole thing

1719
01:14:37,556 --> 01:14:39,558
might have just died away
forever.

1720
01:14:42,102 --> 01:14:44,813
But fast-forward 20 years,

1721
01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:46,064
it all changed.

1722
01:14:46,148 --> 01:14:47,733
[camera shutters clicking]

1723
01:14:47,816 --> 01:14:49,818
Today marks a step

1724
01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:52,863
in a continuing quest

1725
01:14:52,946 --> 01:14:55,908
for accountability and justice

1726
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,536
for the horrific
predatory conduct

1727
01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,038
of Larry Nassar.

1728
01:15:01,121 --> 01:15:03,540
[solemn music playing]

1729
01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:07,711
[Coleman] The Larry Nassar,
Michigan State ordeal,

1730
01:15:07,794 --> 01:15:09,505
I was following that
very closely

1731
01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,174
because, uh, you know,
my daughter was a gymnast.

1732
01:15:12,257 --> 01:15:14,051
[woman] What would you like
to tell him?

1733
01:15:14,134 --> 01:15:16,303
Your Honor, thank you
for the opportunity

1734
01:15:16,428 --> 01:15:18,263
to make this statement
here today.

1735
01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:19,848
I called Mike DiSabato up

1736
01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:24,061
and, uh, and I'm discussing
the situation.

1737
01:15:24,144 --> 01:15:26,855
And he's reading testimony
to me.

1738
01:15:26,939 --> 01:15:29,233
The hardest thing
I've ever had to do is process

1739
01:15:29,316 --> 01:15:31,944
that I'm a victim
of Larry Nassar.

1740
01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,615
I had no idea what he was doing

1741
01:15:36,698 --> 01:15:39,785
and that it was sexual assault
or any type of abuse.

1742
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:41,328
I was taught to trust doctors

1743
01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,038
because they are there
to help you.

1744
01:15:43,121 --> 01:15:45,749
And I said, "Wow, that's us."

1745
01:15:45,832 --> 01:15:47,251
He turned the lights off.

1746
01:15:47,793 --> 01:15:50,504
[Wieber] I was alone
without any supervision.

1747
01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:52,297
The same thing happened
every single time.

1748
01:15:52,381 --> 01:15:55,175
Even when I had knee
and ankle injuries.

1749
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:56,885
I was ashamed,
disgusted in myself

1750
01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:58,303
rather than at Larry.

1751
01:15:58,387 --> 01:15:59,596
Your Honor, stress the need

1752
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,306
to investigate how this happened

1753
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,308
so we can hold accountable
those who empowered

1754
01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,893
and enabled Larry Nassar.

1755
01:16:04,977 --> 01:16:06,979
It makes a difference
to have the abuser

1756
01:16:07,104 --> 01:16:08,939
accountable for their actions.

1757
01:16:09,022 --> 01:16:10,691
Thank you.

1758
01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,527
[DiSabato] To watch them speak
was powerful.

1759
01:16:13,652 --> 01:16:14,945
[applause]

1760
01:16:15,028 --> 01:16:16,822
It unlocked something in me.

1761
01:16:16,905 --> 01:16:19,366
And I spent two months

1762
01:16:19,491 --> 01:16:21,034
speaking to my teammates...

1763
01:16:23,328 --> 01:16:25,455
to verify what I already knew,

1764
01:16:26,081 --> 01:16:27,958
that Richard Strauss

1765
01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:29,543
was another Larry Nassar.

1766
01:16:29,668 --> 01:16:31,378
[solemn music playing]

1767
01:16:31,503 --> 01:16:34,047
[Schyck] Mike DiSabato,
just out of the blue one day,

1768
01:16:34,172 --> 01:16:35,716
asked me about Dr. Strauss,

1769
01:16:35,841 --> 01:16:38,385
and-and I shared with him
my story.

1770
01:16:40,846 --> 01:16:42,764
[Ratliff] I'd never talked
to Mike about these things,

1771
01:16:42,848 --> 01:16:45,183
and Mike asked me
about Doc Strauss.

1772
01:16:46,184 --> 01:16:49,021
[Knight] You know, you sit
and think you don't remember

1773
01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:50,272
any of these stories.

1774
01:16:51,523 --> 01:16:54,067
And then, an hour and a half
later, it's like,

1775
01:16:55,694 --> 01:16:57,321
"Oh, like, wow, that--

1776
01:16:58,196 --> 01:16:59,197
that happened.

1777
01:16:59,948 --> 01:17:01,366
And that happened."

1778
01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:03,118
And he said,
"I'm gonna tell 'em."

1779
01:17:04,036 --> 01:17:06,747
And I was taken back.
I'm like, "Gonna tell who?"

1780
01:17:08,373 --> 01:17:10,834
And he said, "I'm gonna go
to The Ohio State University

1781
01:17:10,917 --> 01:17:13,128
and ask for an investigation
to be done."

1782
01:17:13,211 --> 01:17:17,132
I think I was speechless
for a little bit, um,

1783
01:17:17,215 --> 01:17:19,092
and then I begged him not to.

1784
01:17:19,217 --> 01:17:20,385
[woman] Why?

1785
01:17:20,469 --> 01:17:21,720
Um...

1786
01:17:24,598 --> 01:17:25,932
Shame.

1787
01:17:29,102 --> 01:17:31,063
Sexual misconduct allegations

1788
01:17:31,146 --> 01:17:33,940
40 years in the making
at The Ohio State University.

1789
01:17:34,066 --> 01:17:37,402
Mike told me
that he was still gonna do it.

1790
01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,488
Details are coming to light
in the investigation

1791
01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:42,824
of a former Ohio State
wrestling team physician

1792
01:17:42,908 --> 01:17:45,911
possibly involved
in sexual misconduct.

1793
01:17:46,036 --> 01:17:47,996
[Ratliff] Even though
I wanted no part of it,

1794
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,498
I told Mike,

1795
01:17:49,581 --> 01:17:51,333
"I'm not gonna let you
stand there

1796
01:17:51,416 --> 01:17:52,668
and take it by yourself."

1797
01:17:52,751 --> 01:17:53,794
[sniffles]

1798
01:17:54,336 --> 01:17:55,671
"I'll stand with you."

1799
01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,923
Another former
Ohio State student

1800
01:17:58,048 --> 01:18:01,259
has come forward to say
that he too was a victim

1801
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,553
of Strauss's sexual misconduct.

1802
01:18:03,637 --> 01:18:06,682
I decided that accountability
needed to be had.

1803
01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:09,059
I'm speaking on behalf
of many of my teammates...

1804
01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:11,019
I said, "I want to help."

1805
01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:13,105
[Marshall] Dan Ritchie
is one of the men

1806
01:18:13,230 --> 01:18:16,316
who kept his secret
for 25 years.

1807
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:18,402
This complaint involves
a student

1808
01:18:18,485 --> 01:18:19,695
at the Student Health Center.

1809
01:18:20,278 --> 01:18:22,364
[Knight] As more people
come forward,

1810
01:18:22,447 --> 01:18:24,908
Ohio State decided
to investigate themselves.

1811
01:18:24,991 --> 01:18:26,952
[music fades]

1812
01:18:27,077 --> 01:18:29,788
[Marshall] Just like
Penn State and at Michigan,

1813
01:18:29,913 --> 01:18:32,040
they were doing
what everyone would expect

1814
01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:33,417
a university was doing.

1815
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,210
They were paying for

1816
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:37,796
an in-depth
independent investigation.

1817
01:18:38,588 --> 01:18:40,924
[reporter] Now, a full report
will be released

1818
01:18:41,007 --> 01:18:42,509
when this investigation is done.

1819
01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:44,636
No word on when
that will happen.

1820
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,389
[Wertheim] What became evident
quickly was that this was not

1821
01:18:47,472 --> 01:18:49,266
the USA Gymnastics scandal

1822
01:18:49,349 --> 01:18:51,268
and the dynamic there.

1823
01:18:51,351 --> 01:18:54,271
To begin with, there would be
no Larry Nassar to pursue.

1824
01:18:54,354 --> 01:18:55,772
Richard Strauss had eluded

1825
01:18:55,856 --> 01:18:57,441
the possibility of conviction.

1826
01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,568
[reporter] The outside attorney
investigating

1827
01:18:59,651 --> 01:19:01,069
provided this today:

1828
01:19:01,153 --> 01:19:04,322
Richard Strauss died in 2005.

1829
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,242
[reporter 2] We now know
former OSU doctor

1830
01:19:07,325 --> 01:19:10,370
Richard Strauss
died by suicide.

1831
01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,247
This sounds so morbid,
but I pulled up

1832
01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:14,666
his autopsy report
after he killed himself,

1833
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:16,668
and I wanted to know
the details of everything.

1834
01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:18,879
I wanted to know
what he was wearing.

1835
01:19:19,004 --> 01:19:20,630
I wanted to know how he did it.

1836
01:19:20,714 --> 01:19:23,425
I wanted to know
what they said his causes were.

1837
01:19:23,508 --> 01:19:25,510
I wanted some kind of glimpse
that he did it

1838
01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:28,305
because he was miserable
because of what he did to us,

1839
01:19:28,388 --> 01:19:30,932
and what it said was he did it
because he was in pain

1840
01:19:31,016 --> 01:19:33,018
and the pills
weren't helping him.

1841
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:36,605
There's no remorse
about what he did.

1842
01:19:36,688 --> 01:19:38,190
It was because
he was inconvenienced

1843
01:19:38,273 --> 01:19:40,066
because of pain.
That's what you find out,

1844
01:19:40,192 --> 01:19:41,902
and that... that just stinks.

1845
01:19:44,237 --> 01:19:46,615
[reporter] If the doctor
in question is dead,

1846
01:19:46,698 --> 01:19:50,577
some ask, "What is the point
of this investigation anyway?"

1847
01:19:50,702 --> 01:19:52,662
Well, the university says
there are two goals

1848
01:19:52,746 --> 01:19:54,164
for this investigation.

1849
01:19:54,247 --> 01:19:56,792
One of them is to identify
and evaluate

1850
01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:59,377
all the allegations
against Strauss,

1851
01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:01,755
and the other one
is to see if anybody

1852
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,715
working at the university
at that time

1853
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:05,091
knew about those allegations.

1854
01:20:05,217 --> 01:20:06,885
That, of course, could lead

1855
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,887
to criminal action.

1856
01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:15,519
[Maazel] If a university
is deliberately indifferent

1857
01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,729
to sexual misconduct,

1858
01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:20,649
then they are
legally responsible.

1859
01:20:20,732 --> 01:20:22,442
"Deliberately indifferent,"
fancy words.

1860
01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:25,111
Basically, you know,
did they-- were they--

1861
01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:27,656
Did they care? Did they do
something to stop it?

1862
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,742
Did they take
reasonable action or not?

1863
01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,411
OSU not only took no action,

1864
01:20:33,954 --> 01:20:35,956
they put a known predator

1865
01:20:36,081 --> 01:20:38,375
into a position of authority.

1866
01:20:38,458 --> 01:20:40,669
[soft, tense music playing]

1867
01:20:41,711 --> 01:20:43,797
[DiSabato] We decided
to take action,

1868
01:20:43,922 --> 01:20:46,216
and I was the lead plaintiff

1869
01:20:46,299 --> 01:20:49,845
on a lawsuit filed
against the university.

1870
01:20:49,928 --> 01:20:51,888
[Jackson] For years
of alleged abuse,

1871
01:20:51,972 --> 01:20:53,682
former Ohio State wrestlers

1872
01:20:53,765 --> 01:20:55,600
are suing
the university tonight,

1873
01:20:55,725 --> 01:20:57,894
claiming the school
ignored their complaints

1874
01:20:57,978 --> 01:20:59,104
about a team doctor.

1875
01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:01,731
Being in this arena is scary.

1876
01:21:01,815 --> 01:21:04,067
I mean, I'm--
I'm suing a university

1877
01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:07,195
that I spent years of my life
wrestling for.

1878
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,572
I mean, that's just insane.

1879
01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:10,532
But it was necessary.

1880
01:21:10,615 --> 01:21:13,618
The university
should've protected us more.

1881
01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,537
They knew what was going on.

1882
01:21:15,996 --> 01:21:17,873
So, I contacted our attorneys.

1883
01:21:17,956 --> 01:21:20,250
I said, "What do I have to do?"

1884
01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:22,919
[Marshall] Dozens of men
have come forward

1885
01:21:23,003 --> 01:21:24,504
and sued
The Ohio State University

1886
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:26,172
over sexual abuse allegations

1887
01:21:26,298 --> 01:21:28,592
against a former school doctor.

1888
01:21:29,718 --> 01:21:32,304
And that unleashed
the other major difference

1889
01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:33,805
between this case

1890
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,308
and the Nassar
gymnast survivors.

1891
01:21:36,391 --> 01:21:38,643
-[music fades]
-[keyboard clacking]

1892
01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:44,858
[dramatic beat echoes]

1893
01:21:44,983 --> 01:21:47,819
[Wertheim] People could not wrap
their brains around it.

1894
01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:49,070
[mouse clicks]

1895
01:21:49,821 --> 01:21:52,032
How could these
grain-fed tough guys...

1896
01:21:52,157 --> 01:21:55,911
How in the world
could they be the victims

1897
01:21:55,994 --> 01:21:57,412
of sexual assault?

1898
01:21:57,495 --> 01:22:01,917
[solemn music playing]

1899
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,085
These were wrestlers.

1900
01:22:05,378 --> 01:22:07,088
And not just wrestlers.

1901
01:22:07,172 --> 01:22:08,798
Mark Coleman!

1902
01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:12,552
I mean, Mark Coleman was
the baddest of the badass.

1903
01:22:12,677 --> 01:22:14,804
He was a terrific wrestler
at Ohio State,

1904
01:22:14,888 --> 01:22:16,222
won a national title.

1905
01:22:16,848 --> 01:22:20,143
And then after this absolutely
gilded wrestling career,

1906
01:22:20,226 --> 01:22:22,562
he pivots
to mixed martial arts.

1907
01:22:22,687 --> 01:22:24,606
He was
this very prominent fighter.

1908
01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:26,900
"Ground and Pound"
was his trademark

1909
01:22:27,025 --> 01:22:29,110
as a UFC fighter.
What did that mean?

1910
01:22:29,736 --> 01:22:31,196
You'd wrestle the guy
to the ground

1911
01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:33,406
and you'd beat
the shit out of him.

1912
01:22:33,531 --> 01:22:35,200
Coleman is this physical beast.

1913
01:22:35,784 --> 01:22:37,994
So how could this guy
be a victim

1914
01:22:38,078 --> 01:22:39,746
to someone like Strauss?

1915
01:22:41,206 --> 01:22:44,793
I was very, very nervous
about this whole thing.

1916
01:22:44,876 --> 01:22:48,713
I wanted Ohio State
to hold themselves accountable

1917
01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:51,424
to make sure
this doesn't happen again.

1918
01:22:53,051 --> 01:22:55,845
[Schyck] But everybody is
telling us to go kick rocks.

1919
01:22:56,721 --> 01:22:59,891
So, who could we go to
that could help us with this?

1920
01:22:59,975 --> 01:23:01,810
[crowd cheering, applause]

1921
01:23:04,562 --> 01:23:07,357
I present to you
Russ Hellickson.

1922
01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:09,234
Well-deserved.

1923
01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:11,611
Russ. My relationship with him

1924
01:23:11,736 --> 01:23:13,279
is so cherished.

1925
01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,198
[Hellickson]
As a wrestling coach,

1926
01:23:15,281 --> 01:23:17,242
I have three daughters

1927
01:23:17,367 --> 01:23:19,744
and over 500 sons.

1928
01:23:19,828 --> 01:23:22,163
[solemn music playing]

1929
01:23:22,247 --> 01:23:24,082
[Schyck] Russ was like family.

1930
01:23:24,165 --> 01:23:25,750
He was like
a second father to me.

1931
01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:29,546
And so I text Russ
a long text message.

1932
01:23:29,629 --> 01:23:32,549
Just, "Hey, look, we need you."

1933
01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,843
And within an hour,
I got a response.

1934
01:23:34,926 --> 01:23:36,011
[dings]

1935
01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:38,513
[gentle music playing]

1936
01:23:40,807 --> 01:23:42,350
[Ritchie] About 20 of us met

1937
01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:43,935
over at one
of the local high schools

1938
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:46,062
that one of the wrestlers
work at.

1939
01:23:46,146 --> 01:23:47,856
And we sat in a room with him

1940
01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:49,899
and we went around,
each individual,

1941
01:23:49,983 --> 01:23:53,111
and told exactly
what happened to us.

1942
01:23:53,903 --> 01:23:55,947
[Schyck] Everybody said
their piece.

1943
01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:57,782
It was emotional.

1944
01:23:58,825 --> 01:24:01,036
[Ritchie] It got to my turn,

1945
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,580
and I asked him, I said,
"Do you remember

1946
01:24:03,663 --> 01:24:04,998
when I came into your office

1947
01:24:05,123 --> 01:24:07,834
and I said,
'I'm done. I'm out'?"

1948
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:09,169
He said, "Yeah, I do."

1949
01:24:09,294 --> 01:24:10,920
I said, "I never told you why.

1950
01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:12,797
This is why."

1951
01:24:13,339 --> 01:24:15,258
[Schyck]
You just saw him open up

1952
01:24:15,341 --> 01:24:16,801
and start to sympathize

1953
01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:19,220
and understand
what had happened.

1954
01:24:22,557 --> 01:24:24,517
[Ritchie] At the end
of that meeting,

1955
01:24:24,642 --> 01:24:26,311
he said he would write a letter

1956
01:24:26,436 --> 01:24:28,146
to whoever he needs
to write a letter to

1957
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:30,023
in support of us.

1958
01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:31,566
[Schyck] That's what we needed.

1959
01:24:31,649 --> 01:24:33,151
We needed reassurance.

1960
01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:35,820
We walked out
like we were family.

1961
01:24:35,904 --> 01:24:38,114
[music fades]

1962
01:24:39,324 --> 01:24:41,117
And, of course,
we turned to Jimmy,

1963
01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:43,244
our former assistant coach.

1964
01:24:43,328 --> 01:24:46,164
Things had changed a bit
for him since OSU.

1965
01:24:46,247 --> 01:24:47,749
[announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen,

1966
01:24:47,832 --> 01:24:50,627
please welcome
Congressman Jim Jordan.

1967
01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:53,379
[crowd cheering]

1968
01:24:53,505 --> 01:24:55,256
Thank you. Very kind.

1969
01:24:56,508 --> 01:24:58,676
Jim Jordan's now
a prominent figure

1970
01:24:58,802 --> 01:25:01,471
in the Republican Party for
the House of Representatives,

1971
01:25:01,554 --> 01:25:03,723
always on news
and media outlets.

1972
01:25:03,848 --> 01:25:05,725
[Hannity] Congressman Jordan,
great to have you.

1973
01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:07,560
[crowd cheering
enthusiastically]

1974
01:25:07,685 --> 01:25:09,270
[Knight] I don't agree
with his politics

1975
01:25:09,354 --> 01:25:13,191
but I still was proud of him
as my college coach.

1976
01:25:13,274 --> 01:25:15,568
[Ratliff] He had ideals

1977
01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:17,320
and he had honor.

1978
01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:20,532
[Jordan] Discipline is doing
what you don't want to do

1979
01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:22,325
when you don't want to do it.

1980
01:25:22,408 --> 01:25:24,160
Doing things the right way

1981
01:25:24,244 --> 01:25:26,204
when you'd rather do 'em
the convenient way.

1982
01:25:26,287 --> 01:25:29,082
Your experts knew the truth.
Your spokesperson knew.

1983
01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:31,543
But what troubles me more is
I think you knew the truth.

1984
01:25:31,668 --> 01:25:32,877
[Schyck] He was a pit bull.

1985
01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:35,171
And so, I figured

1986
01:25:35,255 --> 01:25:37,715
that why in the hell
wouldn't this guy

1987
01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:39,884
step up for us, you know?

1988
01:25:40,009 --> 01:25:42,262
-Did you remember Dr. Strauss?
-Yeah.

1989
01:25:42,804 --> 01:25:45,390
You know, knew-knew,
uh, the doctor.

1990
01:25:45,473 --> 01:25:46,808
And Jim Jordan didn't.

1991
01:25:46,891 --> 01:25:48,810
But there is no truth
to the fact

1992
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:51,229
that-that I knew of any abuse.

1993
01:25:51,354 --> 01:25:53,523
Uh, or I've talked
to other coaches,

1994
01:25:53,606 --> 01:25:54,983
they didn't know of any abuse.

1995
01:25:55,066 --> 01:25:56,568
Um, it just-- there just--

1996
01:25:56,651 --> 01:25:58,361
That's just not accurate
to say those things.

1997
01:25:58,444 --> 01:25:59,863
That we knew of it
and didn't report it

1998
01:25:59,946 --> 01:26:01,489
is just not true.

1999
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,159
There's no way
that he didn't know.

2000
01:26:04,742 --> 01:26:06,870
Did he know something?
Everybody knew something.

2001
01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:08,496
So, do I think he knew?

2002
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:09,873
I think everybody knew.

2003
01:26:09,956 --> 01:26:11,583
Did it make me angry? Yes.

2004
01:26:11,666 --> 01:26:13,668
How do you characterize
the accusations

2005
01:26:13,751 --> 01:26:15,920
against Strauss,
uh, against him?

2006
01:26:16,045 --> 01:26:18,047
Um, you know... [sighs]

2007
01:26:18,631 --> 01:26:20,550
All I know is I never knew
of any abuse

2008
01:26:20,633 --> 01:26:22,552
from Dr. Strauss,
plain and simple.

2009
01:26:23,303 --> 01:26:26,347
To say that he knew nothing,
that nothing ever happened,

2010
01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:29,559
it's a flat-out lie.
It is a flat-out lie.

2011
01:26:29,642 --> 01:26:32,020
We are now joined
by Congressman Jordan.

2012
01:26:32,103 --> 01:26:34,731
The first time dealing
with all of this in detail.

2013
01:26:34,814 --> 01:26:37,233
Your reaction, first,
to all of this.

2014
01:26:37,317 --> 01:26:39,402
The guys that are saying
this thing,

2015
01:26:39,485 --> 01:26:41,112
I know they know the truth.

2016
01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:42,280
I know they do.

2017
01:26:42,363 --> 01:26:44,073
I never saw, never heard of,

2018
01:26:44,157 --> 01:26:46,367
never was told about
any type of abuse.

2019
01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:48,328
-If I had been...
-[Ritchie] I know for a fact

2020
01:26:48,453 --> 01:26:50,538
how many conversations
that Jimmy's had

2021
01:26:50,622 --> 01:26:52,290
about Dr. Strauss.

2022
01:26:52,373 --> 01:26:54,500
Conversations in the locker room
are a lot different

2023
01:26:54,626 --> 01:26:57,170
than someone coming up to you
and saying there was abuse.

2024
01:26:57,295 --> 01:26:59,130
So did you hear it
in the locker room?

2025
01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:01,049
No. We did not hear that.

2026
01:27:01,132 --> 01:27:03,551
-'Cause if we had...
-Something short of abuse

2027
01:27:03,635 --> 01:27:05,970
that-that-that may be
considered abuse now

2028
01:27:06,054 --> 01:27:08,556
-in this current time?
-Did not. Did not.

2029
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,683
I wasn't beside Jim
in his locker room,

2030
01:27:10,808 --> 01:27:13,269
so I don't know what he knew,

2031
01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:15,146
but I knew what he said to me,

2032
01:27:15,271 --> 01:27:16,898
and that's why I knew he knew,

2033
01:27:16,981 --> 01:27:19,859
'cause when he said,
"It's Strauss, you know that,"

2034
01:27:19,984 --> 01:27:23,238
that told me-- he couldn't
have said that without knowing

2035
01:27:23,321 --> 01:27:25,531
what Strauss was and who he was.

2036
01:27:25,657 --> 01:27:26,908
That's why.

2037
01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:28,743
[tense music playing]

2038
01:27:28,826 --> 01:27:31,537
And maybe Jimmy thought
it was just gonna go away.

2039
01:27:31,663 --> 01:27:33,206
-And it didn't.
-Jim Jordan denies

2040
01:27:33,331 --> 01:27:36,251
any wrongdoing
in that OSU wrestling case,

2041
01:27:36,334 --> 01:27:39,003
but the controversy,
the scandal, has not abated.

2042
01:27:39,087 --> 01:27:41,089
[Schyck] Instead,
people perked up

2043
01:27:41,172 --> 01:27:43,216
and then it became a big deal.

2044
01:27:43,341 --> 01:27:45,051
[reporter 1]
Representative Jim Jordan

2045
01:27:45,176 --> 01:27:46,844
has been accused
of covering up sexual abuse.

2046
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:49,013
[reporter 2] Jim Jordan
has said in response...

2047
01:27:49,097 --> 01:27:52,183
Jim Jordan, who was
a wrestling coach at the time...

2048
01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:54,519
They talked to Jordan about it
and he didn't do anything.

2049
01:27:54,644 --> 01:27:56,938
[Ritchie] Once it got legs
and it started going,

2050
01:27:57,021 --> 01:28:00,608
more people came out and said,
"Yes, this is what happened.

2051
01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,403
Absolutely, this is what--
This is my experience."

2052
01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:06,114
Tonight, more former Buckeye
wrestlers are coming forward.

2053
01:28:06,197 --> 01:28:08,491
-More victims coming forward.
-University announced today...

2054
01:28:08,574 --> 01:28:11,286
There was a thought that
it was the tip of the iceberg.

2055
01:28:12,245 --> 01:28:14,539
And that's when Jordan
started calling everybody.

2056
01:28:15,957 --> 01:28:18,543
He actually started calling
all the wrestlers.

2057
01:28:18,626 --> 01:28:20,545
Even called Adam DiSabato,

2058
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:22,547
Mike DiSabato's brother.

2059
01:28:23,047 --> 01:28:24,590
[Adam] Eight in the morning,

2060
01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:26,384
and my phone starts blowing up.

2061
01:28:27,468 --> 01:28:28,928
And I answer it, and he's like,

2062
01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:30,638
"Hey, Adam, this is Jim Jordan."

2063
01:28:30,722 --> 01:28:32,056
I'm like...

2064
01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:35,560
He was talking to me
for a half hour

2065
01:28:35,685 --> 01:28:38,021
about if I'll come out publicly,

2066
01:28:38,104 --> 01:28:41,232
defend him
and say this isn't true.

2067
01:28:41,899 --> 01:28:44,319
He's literally crying
on the phone.

2068
01:28:44,402 --> 01:28:46,195
[soft dramatic music playing]

2069
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:49,324
He don't give a fuck about me
or none of us.

2070
01:28:49,407 --> 01:28:51,034
And he's wanting me
to defend him

2071
01:28:51,117 --> 01:28:52,744
against my fucking brother.

2072
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:59,792
I mean, that's insane.

2073
01:29:03,087 --> 01:29:05,882
And I figured
that Jimmy's probably talking

2074
01:29:05,965 --> 01:29:07,633
to Russ too.

2075
01:29:07,759 --> 01:29:09,135
And, sure enough,

2076
01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:11,721
Russ disappeared into silence.

2077
01:29:11,804 --> 01:29:13,848
He never wrote any letter.

2078
01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:16,100
He didn't offer any support.

2079
01:29:16,225 --> 01:29:18,436
He completely turned
his back on us.

2080
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:22,231
I propped him up on a pedestal
like he was my dad,

2081
01:29:22,315 --> 01:29:24,484
and-and, uh,

2082
01:29:24,609 --> 01:29:25,610
it sucks.

2083
01:29:26,944 --> 01:29:29,614
Russ said he'd be there
standing up for us,

2084
01:29:29,739 --> 01:29:32,742
and he took a different tack.

2085
01:29:34,118 --> 01:29:36,204
I tried for a very long time

2086
01:29:36,287 --> 01:29:39,290
to get a one-on-one interview
with Congressman Jordan,

2087
01:29:39,374 --> 01:29:42,126
and his office
would not set that up.

2088
01:29:42,210 --> 01:29:44,754
So I found out
that he was going to be

2089
01:29:44,837 --> 01:29:47,965
at the Honda plant,
and I showed up.

2090
01:29:48,049 --> 01:29:49,926
Athletes like Dan Ritchie says

2091
01:29:50,009 --> 01:29:52,929
Dr. Strauss had a locker
two down from yours.

2092
01:29:53,012 --> 01:29:55,056
How were you not aware
that he was in there

2093
01:29:55,139 --> 01:29:57,183
taking a shower every day

2094
01:29:57,308 --> 01:29:59,477
and pleasuring himself
in front of these students,

2095
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,187
when they all knew about it?

2096
01:30:01,687 --> 01:30:03,398
I guess he seemed resentful

2097
01:30:03,481 --> 01:30:05,650
that he was being questioned
about this.

2098
01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:07,610
This is ridiculous.
I've stood up to the--

2099
01:30:07,693 --> 01:30:09,529
to the FBI,
I've stood up to the IRS.

2100
01:30:09,654 --> 01:30:11,239
So if I think-- if I thought

2101
01:30:11,322 --> 01:30:13,199
there was something wrong
or if I knew there was

2102
01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:15,368
something wrong happening,
I would've stood up for 'em.

2103
01:30:15,493 --> 01:30:17,453
-You didn't see anything?
-That's why every--

2104
01:30:17,537 --> 01:30:20,498
No, I did not. And that's why
every single coach and...

2105
01:30:20,623 --> 01:30:23,626
[Marshall] "No one ever
told me. I had no idea.

2106
01:30:23,709 --> 01:30:25,420
Nope, that never happened."

2107
01:30:26,421 --> 01:30:29,799
And then came
the bombshell of May.

2108
01:30:30,425 --> 01:30:32,552
Uh, good afternoon.
Today, I want to provide

2109
01:30:32,677 --> 01:30:34,387
some, uh, comments and thoughts

2110
01:30:34,512 --> 01:30:38,474
on the report issued Friday
by Ohio State University

2111
01:30:38,558 --> 01:30:40,184
regarding, um,

2112
01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:42,979
the situation with
the late Dr. Richard Strauss.

2113
01:30:43,688 --> 01:30:46,649
[Marshall] The yearlong
independent investigation

2114
01:30:46,732 --> 01:30:50,695
that OSU had paid for
was finally released.

2115
01:30:50,778 --> 01:30:52,405
This investigation

2116
01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:55,158
was a good thing for them to do,

2117
01:30:55,241 --> 01:30:58,035
but the results
were so unexpected

2118
01:30:58,161 --> 01:31:01,247
and so deeply troubling.

2119
01:31:02,623 --> 01:31:05,501
The Strauss report
detailed acts of sexual abuse

2120
01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:09,422
against at least 177
former students

2121
01:31:09,547 --> 01:31:12,008
between 1978 and 1998,

2122
01:31:12,091 --> 01:31:14,927
and undoubtedly there are
many other victims out there

2123
01:31:15,052 --> 01:31:17,221
who have not come forward.

2124
01:31:17,346 --> 01:31:20,266
[Marshall] When you see it all
laid out in black and white

2125
01:31:20,391 --> 01:31:22,059
and you see the numbers,

2126
01:31:22,143 --> 01:31:23,811
it just broke my heart.

2127
01:31:25,188 --> 01:31:27,273
[Novakowski] I had no clue

2128
01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:29,650
how far the ripple effect
had gone.

2129
01:31:29,734 --> 01:31:31,944
I had no clue, and so,

2130
01:31:32,945 --> 01:31:35,156
when I read it, I'm like,
"Holy-- holy shit."

2131
01:31:37,408 --> 01:31:38,910
Holy shit.

2132
01:31:38,993 --> 01:31:40,995
I knew our experience,
I knew my experience,

2133
01:31:41,078 --> 01:31:42,580
I knew Mike's experience,

2134
01:31:42,705 --> 01:31:44,874
I knew a few other
of the guys' experiences.

2135
01:31:44,957 --> 01:31:47,293
I didn't know the extent
of those experiences

2136
01:31:47,418 --> 01:31:49,045
nor the scope.

2137
01:31:50,254 --> 01:31:52,757
I read the report
from cover to cover,

2138
01:31:53,341 --> 01:31:55,259
and the more I read,

2139
01:31:55,384 --> 01:31:56,636
the more pissed I got.

2140
01:31:56,761 --> 01:31:58,679
[grim music playing]

2141
01:31:58,763 --> 01:32:01,849
[DeWine] We should
all be disgusted.

2142
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:05,645
The complaints and reports
about this sexual abuse

2143
01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:08,231
were not reported
to higher authorities

2144
01:32:08,314 --> 01:32:10,191
by the athletic department

2145
01:32:10,274 --> 01:32:12,985
or Ohio State University's
Student Health Center

2146
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:15,029
until 1996,

2147
01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:18,741
more than 15 years
after the first reports

2148
01:32:18,824 --> 01:32:21,160
were, in fact, received.

2149
01:32:21,285 --> 01:32:25,248
The most startling thing
was just how many people

2150
01:32:25,331 --> 01:32:27,833
who were in a position
to stop it

2151
01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:29,710
knew about it and did nothing.

2152
01:32:29,794 --> 01:32:31,587
[reporter]
An independent report found

2153
01:32:31,671 --> 01:32:33,631
that Ohio State University
had knowledge

2154
01:32:33,714 --> 01:32:35,883
that a doctor
sexually abused students

2155
01:32:35,967 --> 01:32:38,010
dating as far back
as the late '70s.

2156
01:32:38,135 --> 01:32:40,846
[reporter 2] The report found
Strauss's behavior was

2157
01:32:40,972 --> 01:32:43,849
an "open secret"
to more than 50 staff members

2158
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:46,602
in Ohio State's
athletic department.

2159
01:32:46,686 --> 01:32:48,479
They were aware,

2160
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:50,064
and they covered it up.

2161
01:32:50,147 --> 01:32:52,275
They covered it up.

2162
01:32:53,651 --> 01:32:55,486
[Coleman] It's truly amazing

2163
01:32:55,611 --> 01:32:58,781
how many people
had to look the other way

2164
01:32:58,864 --> 01:33:01,325
for him to get away with this
that long.

2165
01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:03,494
[solemn music playing]

2166
01:33:04,495 --> 01:33:06,038
[reporter 1]
...the OSU investigation,

2167
01:33:06,163 --> 01:33:07,623
the allegations
could affect your run?

2168
01:33:07,707 --> 01:33:09,000
Anyone can see
through that story.

2169
01:33:09,125 --> 01:33:10,376
I've talked
to numerous colleagues

2170
01:33:10,501 --> 01:33:11,877
and they can all see
through that.

2171
01:33:12,003 --> 01:33:13,588
[reporter 2]
Are you concerned at all?

2172
01:33:13,671 --> 01:33:15,214
[reporter 3]
The congressman said again

2173
01:33:15,339 --> 01:33:17,133
he has denied ever knowing

2174
01:33:17,216 --> 01:33:18,342
about this abuse, denied...

2175
01:33:18,467 --> 01:33:19,969
[Adam] Jim Jordan's a coward.

2176
01:33:21,262 --> 01:33:22,471
He's a coward.

2177
01:33:22,555 --> 01:33:23,931
He's not a leader.

2178
01:33:24,015 --> 01:33:25,224
He's a coward.

2179
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,810
He abandoned us.

2180
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:29,604
Our head coach abandoned us.

2181
01:33:30,438 --> 01:33:32,106
This is disgusting.

2182
01:33:33,566 --> 01:33:35,192
[music fades]

2183
01:33:35,276 --> 01:33:37,987
[Feeney] I saw Russ
at a wrestling event,

2184
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:41,198
and he walked in. He's that,
you know, that presence.

2185
01:33:41,324 --> 01:33:42,700
And he goes,
"Hey, Fred, how are you?"

2186
01:33:42,825 --> 01:33:44,243
I shook his hand,
I said, "Hey, Russ.

2187
01:33:44,368 --> 01:33:46,495
Russ, when are you gonna tell
the truth?"

2188
01:33:47,413 --> 01:33:48,706
Yeah. And he just stopped.

2189
01:33:48,789 --> 01:33:50,207
He goes, "Fred,
I'm not going there."

2190
01:33:50,291 --> 01:33:52,001
He goes,
"But you have a good day."

2191
01:33:52,084 --> 01:33:53,919
And he... he walked away,

2192
01:33:54,045 --> 01:33:56,047
and I haven't talked
to him since.

2193
01:33:59,008 --> 01:34:00,885
[Schyck] You know,
early on, when this came out,

2194
01:34:00,968 --> 01:34:03,179
I had an opportunity
to speak to the media

2195
01:34:03,262 --> 01:34:04,847
and I didn't choose to,

2196
01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:06,682
and I-I finally chose to

2197
01:34:06,766 --> 01:34:08,851
because Russ didn't.

2198
01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:11,520
Um, Jim Jordan didn't.

2199
01:34:12,063 --> 01:34:13,689
And, you know,
the people that you thought

2200
01:34:13,773 --> 01:34:15,149
would be there
standing up for you,

2201
01:34:16,651 --> 01:34:17,735
they didn't.

2202
01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:19,236
And so I-I decided

2203
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,155
that I was gonna say something.

2204
01:34:21,238 --> 01:34:23,532
And I did it at the
Board of Trustees meeting.

2205
01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:25,451
I didn't want to go
to the newspaper.

2206
01:34:25,576 --> 01:34:27,745
I didn't want to say anything.
I felt this would be the place

2207
01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:30,414
because I care about Ohio State.

2208
01:34:30,498 --> 01:34:32,041
I am someone...

2209
01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:34,669
[exhales, clears throat]

2210
01:34:34,752 --> 01:34:37,296
[somber music playing]

2211
01:34:48,265 --> 01:34:49,433
[sighs]

2212
01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:52,561
I bleed scarlet and gray.

2213
01:34:53,312 --> 01:34:54,438
[clears throat]

2214
01:34:56,273 --> 01:34:59,110
The best time of my life was
to wrestle for the Buckeyes.

2215
01:35:00,486 --> 01:35:01,779
I've been seeing things

2216
01:35:01,862 --> 01:35:03,823
that have been written
on social media.

2217
01:35:03,948 --> 01:35:06,075
I almost feel like
I'm not a victim,

2218
01:35:06,867 --> 01:35:08,703
I was the problem.

2219
01:35:08,786 --> 01:35:11,372
I'm not the problem.
We weren't the problem.

2220
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:13,124
Some...

2221
01:35:14,166 --> 01:35:15,710
bad man was the problem.

2222
01:35:15,793 --> 01:35:18,629
And we just want you guys

2223
01:35:18,713 --> 01:35:20,047
to do the right thing

2224
01:35:20,131 --> 01:35:21,632
so we can move on.

2225
01:35:22,174 --> 01:35:24,218
I appreciate you guys
giving us the time

2226
01:35:24,301 --> 01:35:25,511
to come up here and speak.

2227
01:35:27,346 --> 01:35:28,681
[Ritchie] Mike Schyck

2228
01:35:29,557 --> 01:35:31,434
said, "I'm coming up there
and I'm talking

2229
01:35:31,517 --> 01:35:33,936
to the Board of Trustees."

2230
01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:35,521
I'm like, "Okay.

2231
01:35:35,646 --> 01:35:37,940
All right. I'm with you.
I'll do it too."

2232
01:35:38,649 --> 01:35:41,444
And I got up there
and I told my story.

2233
01:35:42,236 --> 01:35:43,988
Between the fall of 1988

2234
01:35:44,905 --> 01:35:46,949
until the fall of 1992,

2235
01:35:47,032 --> 01:35:49,785
I was subjected
to a sexual predator

2236
01:35:49,869 --> 01:35:52,079
under the guise of a team doctor

2237
01:35:52,163 --> 01:35:54,582
in the employ
of this university.

2238
01:35:55,499 --> 01:35:57,084
And based on your own report,

2239
01:35:57,168 --> 01:35:58,669
this university knew.

2240
01:35:58,794 --> 01:36:00,713
It knew prior to my enrollment

2241
01:36:00,838 --> 01:36:02,131
and it knew after.

2242
01:36:03,674 --> 01:36:07,386
We were let down
by this university before,

2243
01:36:07,511 --> 01:36:09,013
and ultimately,
it's your decision

2244
01:36:09,096 --> 01:36:11,348
on how you proceed from here.

2245
01:36:11,474 --> 01:36:13,601
So I leave you
with this question:

2246
01:36:14,268 --> 01:36:17,396
Are you going to let us down
again or do the right thing?

2247
01:36:17,521 --> 01:36:18,731
I thank you.

2248
01:36:20,232 --> 01:36:23,152
Rest assured that this board
is not dismissing you.

2249
01:36:24,069 --> 01:36:26,030
We're committed
to doing the right thing.

2250
01:36:27,281 --> 01:36:30,701
In public,
OSU expresses contrition.

2251
01:36:30,785 --> 01:36:33,996
We at The Ohio State University
are deeply sorry

2252
01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:37,041
for Strauss's abuse decades ago.

2253
01:36:37,124 --> 01:36:38,834
This was reprehensible,

2254
01:36:38,918 --> 01:36:41,003
and the university's failure
to act at the time

2255
01:36:41,086 --> 01:36:42,338
is inexcusable.

2256
01:36:42,421 --> 01:36:44,965
[solemn music playing]

2257
01:36:45,049 --> 01:36:46,842
[man] We acknowledge
the university's failures

2258
01:36:46,926 --> 01:36:49,178
during Strauss's time
at Ohio State.

2259
01:36:49,261 --> 01:36:52,473
But this was manipulation,
lying, and deceit.

2260
01:36:52,556 --> 01:36:54,350
Behind the scenes,

2261
01:36:54,433 --> 01:36:56,185
they begin fighting us

2262
01:36:56,268 --> 01:36:57,728
tooth and nail.

2263
01:37:00,648 --> 01:37:03,484
Ohio State, while professing
to do the right thing,

2264
01:37:03,567 --> 01:37:05,569
actually moves to dismiss
the entire case

2265
01:37:05,653 --> 01:37:07,363
on statute of limitations
grounds.

2266
01:37:07,446 --> 01:37:08,989
Under Ohio law,

2267
01:37:09,073 --> 01:37:10,950
you have two years
to bring a lawsuit.

2268
01:37:11,075 --> 01:37:13,285
It happened
more than two years ago,

2269
01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:15,246
therefore you're out of luck.

2270
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,541
The statute of limitations
defense is

2271
01:37:18,624 --> 01:37:21,252
sort of the last refuge
of scoundrels

2272
01:37:21,335 --> 01:37:22,670
in sexual abuse cases.

2273
01:37:24,004 --> 01:37:26,006
We've seen it
from the Catholic Church.

2274
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:28,050
We've seen it
from the Boy Scouts.

2275
01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,636
We see this from all sorts
of organizations

2276
01:37:30,761 --> 01:37:33,430
that are trying to avoid
accountability.

2277
01:37:33,973 --> 01:37:36,308
And that's OSU's defense.

2278
01:37:36,433 --> 01:37:39,228
Basically, we were so successful

2279
01:37:39,311 --> 01:37:41,939
in hiding Dr. Strauss's abuse

2280
01:37:42,022 --> 01:37:45,359
that it's too late
for you now to sue us.

2281
01:37:45,442 --> 01:37:48,320
[Marshall] Shock and anger
from hundreds of plaintiffs

2282
01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:49,738
who have objected

2283
01:37:49,822 --> 01:37:51,657
to the university's request

2284
01:37:51,782 --> 01:37:53,868
that their lawsuit be dismissed

2285
01:37:53,951 --> 01:37:56,495
based on the statute
of limitations.

2286
01:37:56,620 --> 01:37:59,081
I think when their own study
revealed

2287
01:37:59,164 --> 01:38:02,543
just how many people
were involved

2288
01:38:02,626 --> 01:38:05,629
and just how big
this problem was,

2289
01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:06,964
they panicked.

2290
01:38:07,464 --> 01:38:09,174
[Maazel] It was
a devastating report,

2291
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:10,759
and as we now know,

2292
01:38:10,843 --> 01:38:13,137
the 177 survivors

2293
01:38:13,262 --> 01:38:17,224
was a very small fraction
of the true number.

2294
01:38:17,308 --> 01:38:18,851
It's in the thousands.

2295
01:38:20,185 --> 01:38:21,812
It's mind-boggling.

2296
01:38:23,314 --> 01:38:27,735
It was a total
and complete cover-up

2297
01:38:27,818 --> 01:38:30,362
at the highest levels
of the university.

2298
01:38:31,322 --> 01:38:32,865
I mean, if there's one thing

2299
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:34,950
OSU is good at,

2300
01:38:35,034 --> 01:38:36,952
other than football,

2301
01:38:37,036 --> 01:38:38,621
it's deceit.

2302
01:38:38,704 --> 01:38:41,498
[soft music playing]

2303
01:38:41,624 --> 01:38:44,877
Their strategy was,
"We are going to say,

2304
01:38:45,002 --> 01:38:46,587
'You waited too long.'"

2305
01:38:46,670 --> 01:38:48,797
But what they didn't count on

2306
01:38:48,881 --> 01:38:51,717
was a federal judge
taking a look at this

2307
01:38:51,842 --> 01:38:54,762
and saying,
"The survivors are right.

2308
01:38:54,845 --> 01:38:58,474
Ohio State actively tried
to hide this.

2309
01:38:58,557 --> 01:39:01,852
They protected this predator."

2310
01:39:03,771 --> 01:39:05,481
And they struck down OSU's

2311
01:39:05,564 --> 01:39:08,025
statute of limitations defense.

2312
01:39:08,609 --> 01:39:11,278
And suddenly, I think
some powerful people

2313
01:39:11,362 --> 01:39:12,446
got nervous.

2314
01:39:13,197 --> 01:39:15,658
New at 11,
The Ohio State University today

2315
01:39:15,741 --> 01:39:17,618
notified
a federal district court

2316
01:39:17,701 --> 01:39:20,037
of its intention to set up
what it's calling

2317
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,957
the Strauss Individual
Settlement Program,

2318
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,542
bringing an end
to about half the claims

2319
01:39:25,626 --> 01:39:27,503
filed against the university.

2320
01:39:28,212 --> 01:39:30,923
OSU put forward a pot of money

2321
01:39:31,048 --> 01:39:32,841
for survivors,

2322
01:39:32,925 --> 01:39:35,010
a sum that differed
significantly

2323
01:39:35,094 --> 01:39:37,137
from that offered
by other universities

2324
01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:40,265
facing their own
sexual abuse scandals.

2325
01:39:40,391 --> 01:39:42,810
Penn State, Michigan State,

2326
01:39:42,893 --> 01:39:44,353
have held themselves accountable

2327
01:39:45,145 --> 01:39:46,981
in a way that OSU has not.

2328
01:39:48,941 --> 01:39:52,403
Plainly, OSU is not treating
sexual abuse survivors

2329
01:39:52,486 --> 01:39:55,572
the way other universities
have.

2330
01:39:55,656 --> 01:39:57,491
[Ritchie] Because
we were male athletes.

2331
01:39:58,492 --> 01:39:59,785
That's why we're here.

2332
01:40:00,953 --> 01:40:03,163
That's why we're not
acknowledged the same way.

2333
01:40:04,331 --> 01:40:06,250
[Ratliff] So guys
would sit around

2334
01:40:06,375 --> 01:40:08,752
conscious of, "What are we doing

2335
01:40:08,836 --> 01:40:12,339
to male sexual abuse victims
if we take this lower number?"

2336
01:40:13,924 --> 01:40:15,634
[Schyck] We could've settled.

2337
01:40:17,845 --> 01:40:19,930
I could've signed
the agreement and-and, um,

2338
01:40:20,014 --> 01:40:21,765
and been on my way
and said, "Whatever."

2339
01:40:22,599 --> 01:40:24,226
But beyond the low number

2340
01:40:24,309 --> 01:40:26,186
and what that signified,
I read in there

2341
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:28,939
that they were gonna take
no accountability

2342
01:40:29,023 --> 01:40:30,899
for what was done

2343
01:40:30,983 --> 01:40:32,443
at all.

2344
01:40:32,526 --> 01:40:34,403
"We deny any wrongdoing."

2345
01:40:34,486 --> 01:40:36,030
That was written in there.

2346
01:40:36,113 --> 01:40:37,614
It's like, "Really?"

2347
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:40,117
This is what they call
a settlement program.

2348
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,994
That's what they tried
to bully us into.

2349
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:44,121
That sounds like
a great deal, OSU.

2350
01:40:44,246 --> 01:40:45,789
But that's not
what they tell people.

2351
01:40:45,914 --> 01:40:48,834
They tell people,
"Oh, he chose not to settle."

2352
01:40:50,794 --> 01:40:52,838
[birds chirping]

2353
01:40:52,963 --> 01:40:54,965
[Knight] But, you know,
in spite of all this,

2354
01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:57,885
I still want to give
olive branches and opportunity

2355
01:40:57,968 --> 01:40:59,887
to, like, make
these things right.

2356
01:41:00,804 --> 01:41:04,391
'Cause at the end of the day,
we're all Buckeyes.

2357
01:41:04,475 --> 01:41:06,518
We had this feeling
that we are here

2358
01:41:06,643 --> 01:41:08,520
to bring your university down.

2359
01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:11,690
We are not here to do that.

2360
01:41:12,316 --> 01:41:14,526
I love this university.

2361
01:41:14,651 --> 01:41:16,278
We can do things great together

2362
01:41:16,361 --> 01:41:17,613
if we can all come back together

2363
01:41:17,696 --> 01:41:19,156
and if you can make this right.

2364
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:21,116
[solemn music playing]

2365
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,993
So I thank you for your time.

2366
01:41:23,118 --> 01:41:24,244
O-H.

2367
01:41:29,374 --> 01:41:31,335
I said, "O-H."

2368
01:41:31,418 --> 01:41:33,879
And someone's supposed
to say, "I-O."

2369
01:41:35,839 --> 01:41:37,091
And they didn't.

2370
01:41:40,177 --> 01:41:42,262
And, like I told you,
if you say that to somebody

2371
01:41:42,346 --> 01:41:43,847
and they don't say, "I-O,"
you're like,

2372
01:41:43,931 --> 01:41:45,432
"You're not a Buckeye."

2373
01:41:47,017 --> 01:41:48,644
You're something different.

2374
01:41:53,107 --> 01:41:55,859
[Ratliff] Ohio State
still has no understanding

2375
01:41:55,984 --> 01:41:57,736
and has failed to acknowledge

2376
01:41:57,861 --> 01:42:00,614
the actual devastation
they have caused

2377
01:42:00,697 --> 01:42:02,699
thousands of men.

2378
01:42:02,783 --> 01:42:03,909
Thousands of men.

2379
01:42:04,868 --> 01:42:06,537
High divorce rates,

2380
01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:08,413
high substance-abuse problems,

2381
01:42:08,539 --> 01:42:09,998
whether it be alcohol or drugs.

2382
01:42:10,082 --> 01:42:12,751
We've had several
suicide attempts.

2383
01:42:14,044 --> 01:42:15,587
And I don't know one guy

2384
01:42:15,712 --> 01:42:17,548
that regularly goes to a doctor.

2385
01:42:17,673 --> 01:42:18,674
None of 'em.

2386
01:42:19,424 --> 01:42:20,968
It's really bad.

2387
01:42:21,426 --> 01:42:24,138
-[indistinct shouting]
-[sticks slapping]

2388
01:42:25,556 --> 01:42:27,224
[Novakowski] You know,
you-you-you do think

2389
01:42:27,349 --> 01:42:29,268
about the woulda-been,
coulda-been, shoulda-been club

2390
01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:30,644
because you are part of that.

2391
01:42:30,727 --> 01:42:32,604
And that's-- I can't let myself

2392
01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:35,315
go there very often
because it-it's not fun.

2393
01:42:39,903 --> 01:42:40,946
Yeah.

2394
01:42:45,742 --> 01:42:47,744
You know, somebody asked
one time, they said,

2395
01:42:47,828 --> 01:42:50,289
"Are you a survivor
or are you a victim?"

2396
01:42:50,414 --> 01:42:52,958
And they wanted to make
that terminology distinct.

2397
01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:55,252
And I had to think about it,
and I thought, "You know what,

2398
01:42:55,335 --> 01:42:57,129
I'm a survivor
of sexual assault,

2399
01:42:57,254 --> 01:42:58,922
but I'm a victim of OSU."

2400
01:43:02,926 --> 01:43:05,679
[gentle music playing]

2401
01:43:12,144 --> 01:43:13,687
[Marshall] Attorneys
for the plaintiffs

2402
01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:16,064
believe what OSU
really wants to do

2403
01:43:16,148 --> 01:43:18,400
is delay or even block
this case

2404
01:43:18,483 --> 01:43:20,652
from going to trial, and OSU...

2405
01:43:20,777 --> 01:43:22,613
[Schyck] If they want
to keep spending money

2406
01:43:22,696 --> 01:43:24,907
to fight us in court,
then we'll keep going.

2407
01:43:24,990 --> 01:43:27,492
If we have to go another five
years, I'll go another five.

2408
01:43:27,618 --> 01:43:29,036
If we go ten,
I'll go another ten.

2409
01:43:31,288 --> 01:43:33,290
Accountability is necessary.

2410
01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:37,377
[Ritchie] People ask, "Do you
want money out of this?"

2411
01:43:37,461 --> 01:43:40,005
Yeah, you know what, I do,
and I'll tell you why.

2412
01:43:40,130 --> 01:43:41,965
You punish somebody,

2413
01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:45,928
you give 'em a $5 fine
and say, "Don't do it again,"

2414
01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:48,222
they're gonna come back...
[scoffs] ..."$5, that's fine.

2415
01:43:48,305 --> 01:43:50,933
Here, here's $5,"
and they're gonna do it again.

2416
01:43:51,016 --> 01:43:53,060
You hit 'em where it counts,
and that's

2417
01:43:53,143 --> 01:43:55,646
the money
that they have to shell out

2418
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:57,814
because they did not protect

2419
01:43:57,940 --> 01:44:00,484
the athletes
they were supposed to protect

2420
01:44:00,567 --> 01:44:02,653
when they brought 'em here
to compete for them.

2421
01:44:02,736 --> 01:44:05,405
So, yes, I want them to pay out.

2422
01:44:07,658 --> 01:44:10,869
[gentle music continues]

2423
01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:13,664
[Schyck] This is
my seventh year as coach,

2424
01:44:13,789 --> 01:44:15,249
and I'm a firm believer

2425
01:44:15,332 --> 01:44:17,709
that this sport teaches
like no other.

2426
01:44:17,834 --> 01:44:19,086
[whistle blows]

2427
01:44:22,839 --> 01:44:25,217
You build these relationships
with these guys

2428
01:44:25,342 --> 01:44:28,720
probably just as solid as
a parent to your kid, you know?

2429
01:44:30,847 --> 01:44:33,183
And they get to that point
where they trust you.

2430
01:44:33,267 --> 01:44:35,435
And it's so special.

2431
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,522
I can't even fathom

2432
01:44:38,605 --> 01:44:41,149
not being there
for my-- my guys.

2433
01:44:43,026 --> 01:44:44,069
Wow.

2434
01:44:45,946 --> 01:44:47,864
[music fades]

2435
01:44:47,948 --> 01:44:50,200
[poignant piano music playing]

2436
01:44:52,869 --> 01:44:54,246
In my wrestling room,

2437
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,209
we've got a wall that's got
a word, "integrity."

2438
01:45:00,711 --> 01:45:03,005
It's what I preach to my guys.

2439
01:45:04,256 --> 01:45:06,174
It's what truly defines you.

2440
01:45:28,238 --> 01:45:30,240
[crowd cheering]

2441
01:45:30,324 --> 01:45:33,827
[upbeat marching band music
playing]

2442
01:45:36,121 --> 01:45:39,166
[dark, solemn music playing
under marching band music]

2443
01:45:49,259 --> 01:45:51,011
[crowd cheering]

2444
01:46:27,631 --> 01:46:29,883
[marching band music
and solemn music continue]

2445
01:46:58,078 --> 01:47:01,206
[marching band music ends]

2446
01:47:05,836 --> 01:47:07,587
[solemn music fades]

2447
01:47:07,671 --> 01:47:10,549
[gentle, melancholy music
playing]

2448
01:47:56,928 --> 01:47:58,972
[music fades]



