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<i>Chicago sits on
the shore of Lake Michigan,</i>

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<i>one of the five Great Lakes.</i>

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<i>A restaurant a short walk
from the lakefront</i>

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<i>began serving signature seafood
dishes in the 1940s.</i>

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Shaw's gets a lot of
tourist business from around
the country.

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We've always served lake fish,
both whitefish and perch.

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There you go.

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We have
two whitefish here.

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These come from Lake Superior.

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And then over here

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are perch fillets, yellow lake
perch out of Lake Erie.

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I'd love someday to see lake
trout back on our menu,

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I don't know if that'll
ever happen.

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The Great Lakes have a natural
organizing force for the people
of the region.

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They touch on eight states
and two Canadian provinces.

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The vastness of them is
really hard to convey.

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When you stand on the shore
of one, it certainly doesn't
feel like a lake.

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They're very, very important
to our economy.

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The fact that we've got
the world's largest source of
clean fresh water.

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That's why you can have tens of
millions of people living around
the Great Lakes.

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The Great Lakes are really
in our DNA.

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One out of five jobs is
related to water.

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Kids grow up and they
have that memory.

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They associate it with their
time and their summers

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with their family on
the shores of

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Lake Michigan or Lake Huron,
whatever is their lake.

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And fishing is an integral
part of that.

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The fish that swim in the water

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are part of the lifeblood of
the Great Lakes region.

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The fishery in the Great Lakes
is unique.

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This is a way of connecting
son and daughter to dad, mom.

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<i>Great Lakes fishing
is first described in documents
dating to the 17th century,</i>

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<i>when European explorers first
saw Indigenous people</i>

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<i>catch tremendous quantities
of fish.</i>

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We have a relationship
with fish.

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We survive because of these
relationships.

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And these relationships
we can think of them with fish,

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but also with the water,
with the air,
with the medicine plants.

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All of creation.

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So to us,
the importance of fishing

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is part of that full
relationship with
the natural world.

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<i>For most of history,
people simply assumed that
the Great Lakes</i>

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<i>were so vast and packed
with fish</i>

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<i>that there would always
be plenty to catch.</i>

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<i>But by the 1950s,
everything had changed.</i>

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<i>The fish most important to
people were nearly gone.</i>

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The fish disappeared.

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No one could explain it,
let alone fix it.

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Whether you were in
Lake Ontario, or Lake Superior,

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or everywhere in between,
it was dire.

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From small towns up
to major cities,

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it was people's livelihoods.

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<i>Short on hope,
some remarkable people
tackled the mystery.</i>

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<i>Their odd discovery still
menaces the Great Lakes today.</i>

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<i>Their battle against it
dramatically changed</i>

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<i>how people from all walks
of life connect with these
freshwater seas.</i>

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<i>People fish the Great
Lakes for different reasons.</i>

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Recreational fishing,
commercial fishing,
and subsistence fishing

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are three very different types
of fishing, and all of them are
incredibly important

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to both the history
and current realities

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of the Great Lakes.

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<i>People began fishing
to survive long before the
first Europeans arrived.</i>

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The Anishinaabe people,
or the Chippewa,

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bands that are in the area,

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were a nomadic people.

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For subsistence, they would
go out from shore and fish.

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Along the shores of
Lake Superior,

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they would harvest
primarily in the fall

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when the whitefish or the lake
trout would come in to spawn.

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The subsistence fishery provides
food to the family.

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It's very important.

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Subsistence fishing is
fishing for survival.

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Sport fishing is more
for personal enjoyment.

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<i>From the 16th century on,</i>

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<i>European immigrants poured into
the Great Lakes region,</i>

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<i>and many brought
a passion for fishing.</i>

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<i>Freshwater fishing had been
a recreational pastime</i>

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<i>in Europe for centuries,</i>

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<i>and a status symbol
among elites</i>

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<i>who fished for salmon, trout,</i>

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<i>whitefish, and other
freshwater varieties.</i>

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<i>Long before Columbus stumbled
upon the New World,</i>

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<i>overfishing threatened lakes
and rivers across Europe,</i>

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<i>and nobles blocked access
to prime fishing spots.</i>

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<i>Things only worsened.</i>

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<i>When the first European
military officers</i>

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<i>and entrepreneurs arrived in
the Great Lakes region,</i>

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<i>they found its tremendous
abundance</i>

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<i>of freshwater brimming with
fish species</i>

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<i>they favored back home.</i>

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<i>One type of fish proved
especially enticing.</i>

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<i>Each fall, Atlantic salmon
leave the open sea</i>

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<i>to spawn in rivers from
Scandinavia to Spain,</i>

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<i>and anglers have stocked
them for centuries.</i>

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<i>They also move up
the St. Lawrence River
into Lake Ontario,</i>

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<i>crowding into tributary
rivers to spawn.</i>

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<i>As the European immigrant
population on its shores grew,</i>

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<i>more and more people
targeted them.</i>

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<i>By one account, the haul
on the North Shore in 1820</i>

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<i>was so plentiful that,</i>

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<i>The impressive hauls
drew other immigrants</i>

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<i>to Lake Ontario,
who launched a boom in
another type of fishing.</i>

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Great Lakes
commercial fishing, I would
say it's always been here.

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We'd always been getting fish
that we traded with each other,

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that we traded with
other people.

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Fishing was part of
our economy.

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Not a cash economy,
necessarily,

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but certainly an economy
of barter and trade.

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Non-native people came
into the area.

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They decided to figure out how
they could capitalize on it.

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From the time of European
settlement in the region,

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the commercial fishery
was also a major component
of the economy.

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It's one reason why people
came to the region.

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Salmon was fished heavily
in Lake Ontario.

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They would use seine nets
along the shoreline,

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across shore and bay areas
of the lakes.

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<i>As cities expanded,</i>

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<i>spawning streams were dammed to
power gristmills and sawmills.</i>

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<i>And commercial fishing boomed
with the swelling population.</i>

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<i>So people used bigger
and bigger nets,</i>

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<i>capable of snaring scores
of fish at a time.</i>

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So these were fishing operations
that reached back deeply,

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deeply into the colonial period.

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And the colonial period is ripe
with stories of dam building

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and water diversions
and innumerable
environmental changes

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that absolutely devastated
fish populations.

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<i>By 1860, Lake Ontario's
Atlantic salmon were gone.</i>

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Commercial fishermen at
the time,

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simply looked at the lake
as a bounty.

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They had never seen
freshwater resources

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of the size and breadth
of the Great Lakes,

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and they were viewed as
an inexhaustible resource.

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<i>By the time
Lake Ontario's Atlantic salmon
fishery collapsed,</i>

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<i>European immigrants
fished every Great Lake.</i>

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The commercial fishing industry,
during the 19th
and 20th century,

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was significant and embedded
throughout the Great Lakes.

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Commercial fishing was
intricately tied

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to the development of
the entire Great Lakes region
as we know it today.

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<i>Nowhere compared
to Lake Erie.</i>

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<i>It sat at the heart of
America's industrial boom.</i>

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<i>Smelters, refineries,
and factories packed
the waterfronts</i>

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<i>of its lake-shore cities,</i>

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<i>transforming raw materials
into products</i>

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<i>bound for East Coast
cities and Europe.</i>

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<i>Workers from around the world
flooded into the region.</i>

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<i>And commercial fishing boomed
to help feed the exploding
population.</i>

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<i>At the dawn of
the 20th century,</i>

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<i>more than 100 million pounds
of fish were hauled from</i>

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<i>Lake Erie's shallow
depths each year.</i>

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The commercial fishery
of Lake Erie targeted
a variety of fish species,

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but most important
to that commercial fishery
was lake herring.

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They were actually
ciscoes, or chorogonus artidae.

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The reason why they got the
name herring is because

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in the Atlantic Ocean there's
a native herring species
that's marine,

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or salt water, and they have a
similar role that they play

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as the herring in
the Great Lakes,

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even though they're entirely
different species.

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The fishing industries
around Lake Erie were built
on lake herring.

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The shipping of fish,
the processing of fish...

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It allowed cities to
be built near the water,
both in Ontario and the U.S.

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When the Lake Erie cisco
fishery is at its height,

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the commercial fishing
industry is experiencing

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a lot of the same developments

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that are taking place
in manufacturing.

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Schooners are becoming
fish tugs.

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Nets aren't being pulled out of
the water by hand anymore.

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There are steam lifters.

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You have these
technologies emerging,

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and you have people learning
to use these technologies

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in a very heavily
extractive way.

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Lake Erie is much more
industrialized,
much more capitalized,

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and much more resource-intensive

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than the commercial fishery
was in Lake Ontario.

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It's the same industry
with nicer mechanics.

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<i>In 1924, more than
32 million pounds of herring</i>

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<i>were hauled from Lake Erie.</i>

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<i>A year later, the catch crashed</i>

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<i>to little more than 5 million
pounds and kept falling.</i>

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Everyone blamed everyone else.

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No one had any idea what
happened to these fish.

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All of a sudden,
there were no fish for those
fishermen to catch.

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And this had huge ramifications,
well, for the economy.

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It was really an impetus
for full-scale Great Lakes
science to begin.

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Science into those fisheries
and what was going on.

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We see a real investment,
particularly on the U.S. side,

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from the U.S. Bureau of
Fisheries,

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clearly driven by the economic
importance and value
of the fishery.

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Otherwise, this investment
would not have been made.

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<i>The Bureau of Fisheries
opened a research laboratory</i>

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<i>in Ann Arbor, Michigan.</i>

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<i>Its first director was the
fisheries biologist,</i>

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<i>John Van Oosten.</i>

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He started out more or less
as a troubleshooter

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for complaints that fishermen
had about particular stocks.

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He really tried to find out
what was causing grief
to the fishermen

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and to correct it.

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<i>Lab scientists began
to investigate a range
of potential causes,</i>

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<i>from toxic dumping by
the region's factories
and chemical plants</i>

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<i>to whether fishing nets
killed too many small fish</i>

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<i>before they reached
reproductive age.</i>

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While scientists focused
on Lake Erie,

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the markets moved their focus
to the upper lakes,

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Lake Michigan, Lake Huron,
Lake Superior.

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The commercial operations
were widespread throughout
the Great Lakes.

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As you moved up the lakes,
you moved more into whitefish
and lake trout.

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<i>Lake trout are
the natural top-level predator</i>

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<i>that once ruled all
the Great Lakes.</i>

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<i>The largest ever taken
weighed 102 pounds.</i>

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The lake trout's probably
the most important

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species of fish in
the Great Lakes.

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They were a great
commercial fish.

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They're large,
they yield a lot of flesh,

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they're a really good return
on investment for fishermen.

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It was just too easy to throw
a net in the water,
and pull money out.

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That was far too easy.

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<i>Mark Rude's family
came to Minnesota from Norway</i>

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<i>and began fishing
Lake Superior a century ago.</i>

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By the time
I was 12 years old,

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I was involved with going
out on the lake

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and working with the boats,
maybe helping to clean fish.

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By the time I was 14,
I was taking one of the boats

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and going out and doing
the nets myself.

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Lake trout were what
everybody was looking for.

226
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Way back in the old days

227
00:17:18,313 --> 00:17:21,487
why, fat lake trout, or as
they're called up there,

228
00:17:21,488 --> 00:17:23,214
siscowets, were desired.

229
00:17:25,113 --> 00:17:29,289
<i>Ralph Wilcox grew up fishing
Lake Superior's Whitefish Bay.</i>

230
00:17:31,878 --> 00:17:33,534
They got a lot of
names for them.

231
00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,743
They're deepwater trout,
they're siscowets,

232
00:17:35,744 --> 00:17:37,952
they're a lot of things,
you know, fat trout.

233
00:17:37,953 --> 00:17:40,196
There's about 10 or 12
different varieties

234
00:17:40,197 --> 00:17:42,336
Grandpa and Dad used to
say out there.

235
00:17:42,337 --> 00:17:45,166
It depends on your habitat
where you catch them.

236
00:17:45,167 --> 00:17:49,653
They'd all look alike,
when you put your nets
in a particular area.

237
00:17:49,654 --> 00:17:51,966
You move your nets
a little ways away,

238
00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:56,040
now you're liable to get fish
that looked entirely different,
still lake trout.

239
00:17:59,802 --> 00:18:03,460
<i>Manitoulin Island sits across
Lake Huron's North Channel</i>

240
00:18:03,461 --> 00:18:05,014
<i>from the rest of Ontario.</i>

241
00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:11,054
<i>George Purvis' family
launched a commercial
fishing business here</i>

242
00:18:11,055 --> 00:18:12,919
<i>five generations ago.</i>

243
00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:18,130
We started here
in the late 1800s.

244
00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:22,169
The fish were mainly
lake trout.

245
00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:24,964
From the early 1900s,
where I have records,

246
00:18:24,965 --> 00:18:28,658
the catch of lake trout
was approximately

247
00:18:28,659 --> 00:18:32,420
350,000 to 450,000
pound a year.

248
00:18:32,421 --> 00:18:35,044
A couple of times it made
500,000 pound.

249
00:18:39,704 --> 00:18:43,638
<i>Most towns on
Lake Huron's shores date
to the logging era</i>

250
00:18:43,639 --> 00:18:48,609
<i>when timber companies built
lakeside sawmills to process
and ship white pine</i>

251
00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:50,887
<i>from the forests
covering the region.</i>

252
00:18:52,579 --> 00:18:55,443
When the big cut or
the harvesting of timber,

253
00:18:55,444 --> 00:18:59,137
which was central to that
northern part of the Midwest,

254
00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,518
depleted the resources
and moved out of the area

255
00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:04,452
and many of those companies
relocated to the south,

256
00:19:04,453 --> 00:19:06,765
the commercial fishing
industry remained

257
00:19:06,766 --> 00:19:10,113
a viable economic
alternative for people

258
00:19:10,114 --> 00:19:13,531
that needed work and resources
in the region.

259
00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:21,711
My Grandmother Mertz,
who lived in Rogers City,

260
00:19:21,712 --> 00:19:27,268
owned part of the fishery
and her sons,

261
00:19:27,269 --> 00:19:30,478
Clarence, Lawrence, and Louis,

262
00:19:30,479 --> 00:19:34,137
my father, fished trap nets.

263
00:19:34,138 --> 00:19:38,245
My dad was fishing down
in the Harbor Beach area

264
00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:42,145
in 1934 when he drowned.

265
00:19:42,146 --> 00:19:45,838
And then my mother took over
the fishing business.

266
00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:48,703
My mother had no babysitter.

267
00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,499
I grew up on that boat
'cause she worked on the boat

268
00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:53,743
as well as my sister.

269
00:19:53,744 --> 00:19:58,161
We had eight deep trap
nets that we put in
the straits here.

270
00:19:58,162 --> 00:20:00,923
We used to catch
a lot of trout.

271
00:20:04,824 --> 00:20:07,482
<i>Lake Huron's fish
weren't immune to problems.</i>

272
00:20:09,587 --> 00:20:12,002
Lake Trout and all three
of the upper Great Lakes

273
00:20:12,003 --> 00:20:14,971
underwent long-term declines.

274
00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:18,837
The trajectory of decline
steepened dramatically.

275
00:20:18,838 --> 00:20:21,426
Stock collapses reached a point
where the commercial fishermen

276
00:20:21,427 --> 00:20:23,463
basically had to either
quit or move.

277
00:20:25,914 --> 00:20:27,397
Different types of fishermen
are fishing

278
00:20:27,398 --> 00:20:30,538
different types of gear,
and it's their fault.

279
00:20:30,539 --> 00:20:32,057
It's not my fault.

280
00:20:32,058 --> 00:20:34,922
But then they also start talking
to their legislators,

281
00:20:34,923 --> 00:20:36,820
you know,
their members of parliament

282
00:20:36,821 --> 00:20:39,237
or their representatives,
and say,

283
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,687
"Hey, you know,
our entire community

284
00:20:41,688 --> 00:20:43,793
is based on this fishery.

285
00:20:43,794 --> 00:20:46,900
If we don't do something about
it, it's going to disappear."

286
00:20:49,213 --> 00:20:53,423
<i>On the U.S. side,
those politicians looked to
John Van Oosten</i>

287
00:20:53,424 --> 00:20:57,256
<i>and the Ann Arbor Federal
Fisheries Lab for answers.</i>

288
00:20:59,188 --> 00:21:03,537
As the Lake Huron fisheries
declined toward collapse,

289
00:21:03,538 --> 00:21:07,851
fisheries biologists led by
John Van Oosten recognized

290
00:21:07,852 --> 00:21:12,131
that they were seeing a replay
of population declines

291
00:21:12,132 --> 00:21:17,137
that had already taken place in
Lake Erie and earlier in
Lake Ontario.

292
00:21:19,347 --> 00:21:22,141
Van Oosten's being paid
by the U.S. Bureau of Fisheries.

293
00:21:22,142 --> 00:21:25,144
He's not really looking
at fish for fish's sake

294
00:21:25,145 --> 00:21:29,321
and the ecosystem,
but he's really trying to
get to the bottom of what

295
00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:31,565
is happening to these
valuable species

296
00:21:31,566 --> 00:21:34,671
and, you know, what can we do to

297
00:21:34,672 --> 00:21:37,881
return them to their
abundance and sustain them.

298
00:21:37,882 --> 00:21:42,023
<i>Van Oosten knew
the Lake Huron catch
was declining,</i>

299
00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:45,234
<i>but the sudden crash just
didn't add up.</i>

300
00:21:45,718 --> 00:21:51,205
<i>After all, Lake Huron was
different from Lake Ontario
and Lake Erie.</i>

301
00:21:51,206 --> 00:21:54,277
<i>Far fewer dams blocked
spawning streams,</i>

302
00:21:54,278 --> 00:21:57,349
<i>and there were no major
industrial cities on its shores</i>

303
00:21:57,350 --> 00:22:00,319
<i>with factories heavily
polluting the water.</i>

304
00:22:01,837 --> 00:22:04,908
<i>Lumbering was the big industry
on Lake Huron,</i>

305
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:07,911
<i>and floating logs downstream
and across the lake</i>

306
00:22:07,912 --> 00:22:10,914
<i>had destroyed spawning habitat.</i>

307
00:22:10,915 --> 00:22:13,986
<i>But that wasn't anything new.</i>

308
00:22:13,987 --> 00:22:17,127
<i>Like lakes Ontario and Erie,</i>

309
00:22:17,128 --> 00:22:20,028
<i>overfishing was the most
obvious culprit.</i>

310
00:22:23,445 --> 00:22:27,275
It finally led to direct
involvement by federal, state,

311
00:22:27,276 --> 00:22:30,313
and local political
bodies to come

312
00:22:30,314 --> 00:22:33,628
together and try to address
the loss of these resources.

313
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:38,079
There was a treaty
proposed in 1946,

314
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,499
it gave regulatory power to
a binational commission.

315
00:22:44,708 --> 00:22:49,263
Managing this
binational resource means
we have to think about things

316
00:22:49,264 --> 00:22:53,198
like limiting the catch and the
size of fish that you can take

317
00:22:53,199 --> 00:22:55,752
and how many you can take
and what gear you can use

318
00:22:55,753 --> 00:22:59,515
and those are all sort of
regulatory kinds of decisions.

319
00:22:59,516 --> 00:23:03,795
John van Oosten believed
strongly in regulations

320
00:23:03,796 --> 00:23:05,866
and saw them as a way
of maintaining

321
00:23:05,867 --> 00:23:11,147
the financial viability
of these fish stocks that
were being overfished.

322
00:23:11,148 --> 00:23:15,220
They then ran into the very
organized political resistance

323
00:23:15,221 --> 00:23:18,430
of the commercial fishing
industries themselves.

324
00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:22,745
Political and elected officials
were not always in agreement,

325
00:23:22,746 --> 00:23:27,991
especially after the New Deal
when some were still
you know chafing

326
00:23:27,992 --> 00:23:31,512
from the great expansion
of the federal government.

327
00:23:31,513 --> 00:23:35,171
Cross-border regulations were
not going to be issued.

328
00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:38,900
Consistent regulations
were not in the cards.

329
00:23:40,902 --> 00:23:44,594
<i>As things went from
bad to worse on Lake Huron,</i>

330
00:23:44,595 --> 00:23:48,288
<i>word reached van Oosten
about a curious development.</i>

331
00:23:57,056 --> 00:23:58,677
<i>On a bright spring day,</i>

332
00:23:58,678 --> 00:24:02,232
<i>some young people hiked
to a waterfall on
the Ocqueoc River</i>

333
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,753
<i>near Rogers City, Michigan.</i>

334
00:24:06,686 --> 00:24:09,930
<i>They arrived to find their
favorite swimming hole swarming</i>

335
00:24:09,931 --> 00:24:12,830
<i>with strange eel-like
creatures.</i>

336
00:24:16,316 --> 00:24:20,113
<i>They hurried back to
town and told a game
warden what they saw.</i>

337
00:24:22,702 --> 00:24:27,638
<i>The news reminded
John van Oosten of
another strange incident.</i>

338
00:24:31,677 --> 00:24:36,405
<i>Alexander Crewe and his
brothers lived on Lake Erie's
Ontario shore.</i>

339
00:24:38,304 --> 00:24:42,031
<i>On the morning of
November 8th, 1921,</i>

340
00:24:42,032 --> 00:24:45,068
<i>Crewe and his helper motored
to one of several nets</i>

341
00:24:45,069 --> 00:24:47,762
<i>he and his brothers left staked
into the lake bottom.</i>

342
00:24:50,558 --> 00:24:54,112
<i>As they filled box after
box with whitefish,</i>

343
00:24:54,113 --> 00:24:55,942
<i>something odd occurred.</i>

344
00:24:57,944 --> 00:25:00,808
They came across a truly
bizarre creature.

345
00:25:00,809 --> 00:25:03,535
None of them in the boat had
ever seen anything like this.

346
00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:06,124
Alexander Crewe lifted
up the fish

347
00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:08,229
with this creature attached,

348
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:10,197
ripped it off the fish,

349
00:25:10,198 --> 00:25:14,960
and put it in a jar and
sent it to the University of
Toronto to be analyzed.

350
00:25:14,961 --> 00:25:18,067
The creature was identified
as Petromyzon marinus,

351
00:25:18,068 --> 00:25:20,069
the sea lamprey,

352
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:22,140
a creature that's native
to the Atlantic Ocean

353
00:25:22,141 --> 00:25:24,729
and not supposed to be in
the Great Lakes.

354
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:28,560
We have four species of native
lamprey in the Great Lakes.

355
00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:32,150
Sea lampreys are wildly
different than our native
lamprey species.

356
00:25:32,151 --> 00:25:35,568
They grow two to three times
the size of a native lamprey.

357
00:25:36,673 --> 00:25:40,434
<i>Sea lamprey were
known to be in Lake Ontario,</i>

358
00:25:40,435 --> 00:25:44,888
<i>but Crewe caught the first
one ever found in another
Great Lake.</i>

359
00:25:48,132 --> 00:25:51,031
<i>To understand how remarkable
that was,</i>

360
00:25:51,032 --> 00:25:54,311
<i>it helps to know something
about Great Lakes geography.</i>

361
00:25:58,867 --> 00:26:03,596
<i>The Great Lakes region holds
one-fifth of Earth's surface
freshwater.</i>

362
00:26:06,081 --> 00:26:09,774
The Great Lakes are really
one big system

363
00:26:09,775 --> 00:26:14,987
and arguably one big slow-motion
river flowing out to
the Atlantic Ocean.

364
00:26:19,716 --> 00:26:22,788
<i>Rivers connect
the Great Lakes.</i>

365
00:26:24,617 --> 00:26:29,415
<i>The most famous landmark along
a connecting waterway is
Niagara Falls,</i>

366
00:26:31,037 --> 00:26:35,351
<i>over which water from Lake Erie
cascades almost 200 feet</i>

367
00:26:35,352 --> 00:26:37,596
<i>en route to Lake Ontario.</i>

368
00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:47,019
<i>Nature split the Great Lakes
into two distinct aquatic
ecosystems.</i>

369
00:26:48,952 --> 00:26:52,333
<i>Fish and other aquatic
creatures migrated freely</i>

370
00:26:52,334 --> 00:26:54,854
<i>from Lake Superior
to Lake Erie.</i>

371
00:26:56,925 --> 00:27:01,309
<i>They also migrated between Lake
Ontario and the Atlantic Ocean.</i>

372
00:27:04,346 --> 00:27:07,867
<i>But Niagara Falls was
an impassable barrier.</i>

373
00:27:10,594 --> 00:27:13,803
Niagara Falls would have
stopped anything from
getting into Lake Erie.

374
00:27:13,804 --> 00:27:16,220
Nothing could make it
over those massive falls.

375
00:27:17,325 --> 00:27:20,500
<i>At least before
Alexander Crewe's odd catch.</i>

376
00:27:21,916 --> 00:27:23,710
<i>Crewe caught his sea lamprey</i>

377
00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:26,955
<i>200 miles upstream
of Niagara Falls.</i>

378
00:27:28,612 --> 00:27:34,410
<i>Despite the curious location,
no one paid much
attention to it.</i>

379
00:27:34,411 --> 00:27:38,966
The sea lamprey wasn't seen as
being particularly dangerous

380
00:27:38,967 --> 00:27:40,935
when it first appeared.

381
00:27:41,936 --> 00:27:46,665
<i>Six years passed
before another sea lamprey
turned up in Lake Erie.</i>

382
00:27:49,288 --> 00:27:54,293
And this time latched onto
a whitefish near Sandusky,
Ohio in Lake Erie.

383
00:27:56,295 --> 00:28:00,782
John Van Oosten himself went
to confirm this sea lamprey
sighting.

384
00:28:02,957 --> 00:28:06,891
<i>He'd studied reports
about damage they'd caused
in Lake Ontario</i>

385
00:28:06,892 --> 00:28:09,928
<i>and New York's Finger Lakes.</i>

386
00:28:09,929 --> 00:28:13,933
<i>One report from 1897
called sea lamprey...</i>

387
00:28:31,882 --> 00:28:36,955
<i>Having fastened itself,
it rasps away with the saw-like
teeth on its tongue</i>

388
00:28:36,956 --> 00:28:40,338
<i>until it has worn through
the thick skin or scales</i>

389
00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:42,478
<i>of its victim.</i>

390
00:28:42,479 --> 00:28:45,826
<i>Then it has nothing to do but
to remain attached to the fish</i>

391
00:28:45,827 --> 00:28:49,899
<i>and be carried around by it,
sucking blood when it's hungry</i>

392
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:53,351
<i>and occasionally rasping away
at its raw flesh,</i>

393
00:28:53,352 --> 00:28:56,078
<i>making the hole deeper
and deeper,</i>

394
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,736
<i>if its victim has any
blood left.</i>

395
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,809
<i>Or if not,
it seeks another fish.</i>

396
00:29:14,028 --> 00:29:18,410
They're very primitive,
jawless fish that resemble eels.

397
00:29:18,411 --> 00:29:21,241
But unlike eels,
they don't have paired fins,

398
00:29:21,242 --> 00:29:23,071
jaws, or bony skeletons.

399
00:29:24,555 --> 00:29:27,178
Lampreys are native
to the Atlantic Ocean.

400
00:29:27,179 --> 00:29:30,181
They co-evolved there with
much larger host-species,

401
00:29:30,182 --> 00:29:33,978
attaching to hosts that are far
larger than anything we have
in the Great Lakes.

402
00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:36,808
So, in the Atlantic Ocean,
they act as parasites.

403
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,811
In fact, they're imperiled
in the Atlantic Ocean.

404
00:29:39,812 --> 00:29:44,816
In the Great Lakes,
they are much larger than their
hosts in a relevant sense.

405
00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:46,542
And when they attach
to the host,

406
00:29:46,543 --> 00:29:49,477
they actually serve more
as a predator than a parasite.

407
00:29:52,963 --> 00:29:56,138
There were some individuals that
were very alarmed at the start.

408
00:29:56,139 --> 00:29:59,728
They were the ones that actually
knew the most about
the sea lamprey.

409
00:30:01,765 --> 00:30:03,871
<i>John Van Oosten
was one of them.</i>

410
00:30:05,251 --> 00:30:09,220
<i>He knew that the swarming
mass at the Ocqueoc Falls
swimming hole</i>

411
00:30:09,221 --> 00:30:14,122
<i>could spell catastrophe for
the already struggling fishing
families on Lake Huron.</i>

412
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,542
<i>But ten years had passed
since he identified the
Sandusky sea lamprey,</i>

413
00:30:21,543 --> 00:30:24,856
<i>and no more had been reported
until the previous year,</i>

414
00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:27,652
<i>when a skipper walked
into the Milwaukee Museum</i>

415
00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:31,519
<i>carrying one attached to
a Lake Michigan lake trout
he'd caught.</i>

416
00:30:33,901 --> 00:30:35,660
As the fish swims,

417
00:30:35,661 --> 00:30:38,732
logically you would
think the next step for
the invasion would be

418
00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:42,046
through the Detroit River
into Lake Huron

419
00:30:42,047 --> 00:30:45,152
and maybe through the Straits
of Mackinaw, around that area.

420
00:30:45,153 --> 00:30:48,224
That is not at all what happened
and it's quite strange.

421
00:30:48,225 --> 00:30:51,607
The next lamprey that was
detected was found all
the way over

422
00:30:51,608 --> 00:30:54,368
in Lake Michigan
near Milwaukee.

423
00:30:54,369 --> 00:30:56,025
It shocked everyone
at the time,

424
00:30:56,026 --> 00:30:58,477
and no one could explain
how this jump happened.

425
00:30:59,616 --> 00:31:03,999
<i>A museum biologist,
T.E.B. Pope identified it</i>

426
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,967
<i>as the first sea lamprey
found in a Great Lake</i>

427
00:31:06,968 --> 00:31:08,556
<i>upstream of Lake Erie.</i>

428
00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:14,009
<i>Pope alerted the noted
ichthyologist Carl Hubbs</i>

429
00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:17,876
<i>who helped him pen an article
delivering an ominous warning.</i>

430
00:31:49,528 --> 00:31:52,806
<i>John Van Oosten
asked the Michigan Department
of Conservation</i>

431
00:31:52,807 --> 00:31:55,914
<i>to have its game wardens look
out for them in other streams.</i>

432
00:32:00,194 --> 00:32:03,092
<i>Another squirming horde
spotted near a cider mill</i>

433
00:32:03,093 --> 00:32:06,268
<i>in Rochester, Michigan,
20 miles inland</i>

434
00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:08,684
<i>from the nearest
Great Lakes waterway,</i>

435
00:32:08,685 --> 00:32:10,479
<i>confirmed his worst fears</i>

436
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,931
<i>that something
alarming was underway.</i>

437
00:32:16,865 --> 00:32:18,590
<i>As the wriggling
creatures were spotted</i>

438
00:32:18,591 --> 00:32:20,868
<i>in more and more tributaries,</i>

439
00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:24,943
<i>fishing families began
seeing a new kind of carnage.</i>

440
00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:29,636
The first sea lamprey
that they saw here,

441
00:32:29,637 --> 00:32:32,984
apparently they say they
brought it to shore in 1934.

442
00:32:32,985 --> 00:32:35,987
They played with it, thought
this was a real oddity,

443
00:32:35,988 --> 00:32:37,955
and didn't know what
to think of this thing.

444
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:41,855
By 1944, the fish were dead
on the bottom of the lake,

445
00:32:41,856 --> 00:32:45,134
especially in the fall
when they were spawning.

446
00:32:45,135 --> 00:32:47,999
If you swept your nets a
bit on the bottom when
you're pulling them up,

447
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,243
it tugs and stinks so bad,
you couldn't stand

448
00:32:50,244 --> 00:32:53,730
to be on the boat from
all the big fish laying
on the bottom.

449
00:32:55,042 --> 00:32:57,077
I was about seven when I saw

450
00:32:57,078 --> 00:33:00,046
my first sea lamprey
on a whitefish,

451
00:33:00,047 --> 00:33:03,773
and I remember workers
on the boat told me

452
00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:07,294
that was going to be my job
to take care of those,

453
00:33:07,295 --> 00:33:10,539
and so I had
the knife in my hand

454
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:14,267
and I cut that sea lamprey
in about four or five pieces

455
00:33:14,268 --> 00:33:16,096
before he threw it back in.

456
00:33:16,097 --> 00:33:19,514
So that was that.

457
00:33:23,898 --> 00:33:26,003
<i>The Michigan
Department of Conservation</i>

458
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:30,076
<i>built a device on the Ocqueoc
River to trap sea lamprey</i>

459
00:33:30,077 --> 00:33:33,252
<i>and gauge the size of the
spring spawning run there.</i>

460
00:33:36,083 --> 00:33:40,432
They caught over 3,400
spawning phase sea lampreys.

461
00:33:42,158 --> 00:33:45,160
The Great Lakes Basin has
thousands of tributaries,

462
00:33:45,161 --> 00:33:49,164
so 3,400 sea lampreys in one
small river like the Ocqueoc,

463
00:33:49,165 --> 00:33:51,442
that's a huge red flag.

464
00:33:51,443 --> 00:33:55,412
This was looking like a massive
infestation for the Great Lakes.

465
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,519
<i>But why Lake Huron?</i>

466
00:33:59,658 --> 00:34:01,417
<i>Two great lakes lie between</i>

467
00:34:01,418 --> 00:34:03,488
<i>the sea lamprey's
natural habitat,</i>

468
00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:06,871
<i>the Atlantic Ocean,
and Lake Huron.</i>

469
00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:08,459
<i>Why didn't sea lamprey cause</i>

470
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:10,738
<i>a similar level of
destruction there?</i>

471
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,570
The sea lamprey needs
access to high-quality water

472
00:34:16,571 --> 00:34:19,056
upstream in every
river where it spawns.

473
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,265
It was in Lake Ontario
for quite a while,

474
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:23,991
did do a lot of
damage initially.

475
00:34:23,992 --> 00:34:26,891
Its spawning habitat
was really depreciated.

476
00:34:26,892 --> 00:34:29,100
If you look at old maps,
you'll see that

477
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:33,035
every river had 10, 12,
15 mill dams on it.

478
00:34:33,036 --> 00:34:35,831
The next lake it got
in was Lake Erie.

479
00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:38,868
A lot of the Lake Erie
streams, they were polluted.

480
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,112
They were marginal
for the sea lamprey

481
00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:43,460
to really expand
its population.

482
00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:47,187
The lake trout, which
was the primary prey,

483
00:34:47,188 --> 00:34:49,604
was already essentially
gone from Lake Erie.

484
00:34:50,985 --> 00:34:53,298
It exploded in Lake Huron next.

485
00:34:56,128 --> 00:35:01,132
<i>In 1940, more
than 2,726,000 pounds</i>

486
00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:04,757
<i>of lake trout were caught in
Lake Huron and Georgian Bay.</i>

487
00:35:06,587 --> 00:35:09,796
<i>By 1946, the catch had dropped</i>

488
00:35:09,797 --> 00:35:14,526
<i>to only 760,000 pounds
and kept falling.</i>

489
00:35:16,183 --> 00:35:19,944
By 1944, the lake trout
were pretty well gone,

490
00:35:19,945 --> 00:35:23,327
and then we started fishing
whitefish on a regular basis

491
00:35:23,328 --> 00:35:25,225
to try to make a go of it.

492
00:35:25,226 --> 00:35:27,607
When we fished out here,
especially in the fall,

493
00:35:27,608 --> 00:35:30,506
we would get a washtub full
of lamprey every day

494
00:35:30,507 --> 00:35:33,544
attached to the whitefish,
and it was really bad.

495
00:35:33,545 --> 00:35:36,547
We would just see all the fish
on the bottom of the lake dead

496
00:35:36,548 --> 00:35:40,551
with the lamprey marks on them
and it was pretty obvious
what was gonna happen,

497
00:35:40,552 --> 00:35:43,106
that it wasn't going to
be only a matter of time.

498
00:35:45,212 --> 00:35:47,420
The late 1940s is
when we start seeing

499
00:35:47,421 --> 00:35:51,735
lamprey mentioned at
congressional hearings
and parliamentary debates.

500
00:35:52,495 --> 00:35:56,946
<i>Fred Bradley,
the congressman representing
Rogers City, Michigan,</i>

501
00:35:56,947 --> 00:36:00,571
<i>persuaded his colleagues
to hold a hearing about
the catastrophe</i>

502
00:36:00,572 --> 00:36:03,402
<i>devastating Great Lakes
commercial fishing.</i>

503
00:36:06,716 --> 00:36:09,269
<i>The head of the Michigan
Fish Producers Association</i>

504
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,893
<i>testified before
the House Committee.</i>

505
00:36:30,118 --> 00:36:34,225
Even some of the most diehard
anti New Deal-ers out there

506
00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:36,123
would say in the
congressional hearings

507
00:36:36,124 --> 00:36:39,126
that there is no way we're
gonna tackle the lamprey problem

508
00:36:39,127 --> 00:36:41,094
until we work across borders

509
00:36:41,095 --> 00:36:42,958
and we have
the federal government

510
00:36:42,959 --> 00:36:45,582
with its resources step
in to deal with the problem.

511
00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:48,688
<i>The hearings
convinced Congress</i>

512
00:36:48,689 --> 00:36:53,279
<i>to fund research on ways
to control sea lamprey
in the Great Lakes.</i>

513
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,767
<i>The allocation was a mere
$20,000 per year for 10 years,</i>

514
00:36:58,768 --> 00:37:03,462
<i>the equivalent of about 270,000
per year in current dollars.</i>

515
00:37:05,153 --> 00:37:08,018
<i>John Van Oosten's federal
lab led the effort.</i>

516
00:37:10,987 --> 00:37:13,678
<i>Van Oosten understood
that no one had a clue</i>

517
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,752
<i>about how to control
sea lamprey, and that
had to change.</i>

518
00:37:21,515 --> 00:37:25,966
<i>He needed someone tenacious
with innovative research skills</i>

519
00:37:25,967 --> 00:37:28,279
<i>and a dogged attention
to detail</i>

520
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,696
<i>to discover their
vulnerabilities.</i>

521
00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:36,219
<i>A University of Michigan
graduate student caught
Van Oosten's attention.</i>

522
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:43,363
<i>Vernon Applegate grew
up in Queens, New York,</i>

523
00:37:43,364 --> 00:37:46,264
<i>and served in the army
during World War II.</i>

524
00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:50,474
<i>His mil-spec discipline
and determination</i>

525
00:37:50,475 --> 00:37:52,855
<i>impressed Van Oosten
who offered him</i>

526
00:37:52,856 --> 00:37:55,030
<i>the chance to earn his PhD</i>

527
00:37:55,031 --> 00:37:59,380
<i>by developing the intel needed
to wage war on sea lamprey.</i>

528
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:04,798
Vern Applegate is
a big part of this story.

529
00:38:04,799 --> 00:38:07,975
He's a pioneer researcher
in the sea lamprey world.

530
00:38:09,183 --> 00:38:11,840
<i>Van Oosten sent
Applegate to Rogers City</i>

531
00:38:11,841 --> 00:38:15,084
<i>to set up shop at a former
Depression-era</i>

532
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,535
<i>Civilian Conservation
Corps camp</i>

533
00:38:17,536 --> 00:38:20,125
<i>with an earshot of
the Ocqueoc River.</i>

534
00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:23,645
<i>He tapped its ready
supply of sea lamprey</i>

535
00:38:23,646 --> 00:38:26,717
<i>to launch the most
detailed study ever made</i>

536
00:38:26,718 --> 00:38:28,513
<i>on the animal's lifecycle.</i>

537
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:34,103
Vern Applegate was
a relentless researcher

538
00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:35,726
and a hard worker.

539
00:38:35,727 --> 00:38:38,212
It was actually said he lived
on cigarettes and coffee.

540
00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:42,906
<i>He applied a military
mindset to his new mission.</i>

541
00:39:02,892 --> 00:39:06,620
<i>Applegate assembled
a team of conservation
workers and locals.</i>

542
00:39:08,449 --> 00:39:11,003
<i>Cliff Kortman hired
on as a handyman.</i>

543
00:39:12,695 --> 00:39:17,043
I come here and asked
for a job and Dr. Applegate
gave me a job.

544
00:39:17,044 --> 00:39:21,013
So I stayed on for 33 years.

545
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,536
<i>Over the next three years,</i>

546
00:39:27,537 --> 00:39:30,884
<i>Applegate's team measured
the sea lamprey invasion</i>

547
00:39:30,885 --> 00:39:36,062
<i>and studied the organism's
behavior and spawning streams.</i>

548
00:39:36,063 --> 00:39:41,137
<i>In December 1949, Applegate
delivered an alarming report.</i>

549
00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:46,762
<i>Where the first
Ocqueoc River weir</i>

550
00:39:46,763 --> 00:39:52,562
<i>caught 3,466 adult sea
lamprey migrating upstream,</i>

551
00:39:54,115 --> 00:39:58,672
<i>five years later, new weirs
there trapped more than 24,000.</i>

552
00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:14,480
<i>Commercial fishing
families were only too aware.</i>

553
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:17,103
When the
sea lamprey come along,

554
00:40:17,104 --> 00:40:20,865
we were running two gill net
tugs and a trap net operation.

555
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:22,522
As the fish got fewer
and fewer,

556
00:40:22,523 --> 00:40:25,422
we had to go down to one
boat, lay off two crews.

557
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:29,564
We stopped fishing
entirely in the mid-'50s.

558
00:40:29,565 --> 00:40:32,532
Whole operations of commercial
fishing boats moved

559
00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:34,914
through the straits
into Lake Michigan,

560
00:40:34,915 --> 00:40:36,536
and then they contributed

561
00:40:36,537 --> 00:40:38,504
to an already
serious decline there

562
00:40:38,505 --> 00:40:40,471
by adding even
more fishing effort

563
00:40:40,472 --> 00:40:42,369
and mortality onto those stocks.

564
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:44,337
And then some of
the fishing operations

565
00:40:44,338 --> 00:40:46,616
moved over to Lake Superior.

566
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,658
<i>Stuart Sivertson's family</i>

567
00:40:54,659 --> 00:40:57,074
<i>was already well
established there.</i>

568
00:40:57,075 --> 00:41:01,665
My grandfather came here
with two brothers in 1892.

569
00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:05,600
He came to Duluth
emigrating from Norway.

570
00:41:05,601 --> 00:41:07,567
He was in it for good.

571
00:41:07,568 --> 00:41:10,570
I don't think he ever did
anything other than fishing.

572
00:41:10,571 --> 00:41:14,264
And they learned about
opportunities at Isle Royale

573
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:18,785
and he raised
children who wound up

574
00:41:18,786 --> 00:41:22,099
getting involved in the
commercial fishing industry.

575
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:26,068
They managed to garner
a fairly large fraction

576
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:29,209
of the catch from Isle Royale.

577
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:32,627
We first heard about the lamprey

578
00:41:32,628 --> 00:41:36,389
at Isle Royale in the 1940s.

579
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:39,875
This terrible thing had
happened in Lake Michigan

580
00:41:39,876 --> 00:41:43,500
where the annual
catches of lake trout

581
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:49,229
had gone from 6 million pounds
annually to 400 pounds

582
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:51,784
within a stretch of
about three years,

583
00:41:51,785 --> 00:41:54,200
<i>A catastrophe
has been visited</i>

584
00:41:54,201 --> 00:41:56,409
<i>upon these fisheries
by the invasion</i>

585
00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:58,412
<i>of a voracious marine
predator.</i>

586
00:41:59,447 --> 00:42:02,277
<i>Commercial catches
diminished as this parasite</i>

587
00:42:02,278 --> 00:42:04,728
<i>multiplied in
unbelievable numbers.</i>

588
00:42:04,729 --> 00:42:07,385
<i>And then tragically
and abruptly,</i>

589
00:42:07,386 --> 00:42:10,250
<i>the lake trout fisheries
of Lakes Huron and Michigan</i>

590
00:42:10,251 --> 00:42:13,633
<i>collapsed completely as the
fish all but disappeared</i>

591
00:42:13,634 --> 00:42:15,118
<i>from the fishermen's nets.</i>

592
00:42:18,363 --> 00:42:22,090
We were warned by fishermen
from down on the lower lakes.

593
00:42:22,091 --> 00:42:26,266
I remember, as a youngster,
seeing a magazine.

594
00:42:26,267 --> 00:42:29,131
It was Stag magazine
that had a picture

595
00:42:29,132 --> 00:42:33,964
of a fellow staggering out of
the waters of Lake Michigan

596
00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:36,829
with lampreys
hanging on his chest

597
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:39,522
and a horrified
look on his face.

598
00:42:41,455 --> 00:42:43,974
<i>Newspapers
dubbed sea lamprey</i>

599
00:42:43,975 --> 00:42:48,186
<i>"Dracula of the Lakes,"
spreading the hysteria.</i>

600
00:42:48,876 --> 00:42:51,740
The question was,
is this problem gonna hit us

601
00:42:51,741 --> 00:42:53,087
here in Lake Superior?

602
00:42:54,054 --> 00:42:57,713
We were at a loss as to
what we were going to do.

603
00:43:09,483 --> 00:43:11,588
<i>Vernon Applegate presented</i>

604
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:14,143
<i>his doctoral
dissertation in 1950,</i>

605
00:43:15,247 --> 00:43:17,524
<i>providing the first
scientific description</i>

606
00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:20,079
<i>of the sea lamprey's
remarkable life cycle</i>

607
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,322
<i>in the Great Lakes.</i>

608
00:43:26,258 --> 00:43:29,951
<i>It all begins when lake
water warms in the spring</i>

609
00:43:29,952 --> 00:43:33,264
<i>and adult sea lampreys
venture from deep open water</i>

610
00:43:33,265 --> 00:43:36,821
<i>to gather near shore,
where streams drain the land.</i>

611
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:41,652
<i>They anxiously roam there
until the water warms</i>

612
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:43,689
<i>to just the right temperature,</i>

613
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:46,969
<i>signaling optimum
conditions for procreation.</i>

614
00:43:48,315 --> 00:43:53,215
<i>Then, under the
cover of darkness,
the lampreys move inland,</i>

615
00:43:53,216 --> 00:43:55,666
<i>squirming their way
upstream in search</i>

616
00:43:55,667 --> 00:43:59,775
<i>of suitable river beds where
they spend days building nests.</i>

617
00:44:09,336 --> 00:44:13,546
<i>Once all is ready, males and
females move onto the nests</i>

618
00:44:13,547 --> 00:44:17,619
<i>and intertwine in wriggling
embraces that mix male sperm</i>

619
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:21,762
<i>with tens of thousands of
eggs released by each female.</i>

620
00:44:26,456 --> 00:44:28,699
<i>Their writhing kicks
up small pebbles</i>

621
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:30,977
<i>and sand grains from the nest</i>

622
00:44:30,978 --> 00:44:35,326
<i>to which a sticky substance
on each egg's surface adheres.</i>

623
00:44:35,327 --> 00:44:37,777
<i>The pebbles and
sand carry each egg</i>

624
00:44:37,778 --> 00:44:40,539
<i>back into the nest,
anchoring them there.</i>

625
00:44:42,265 --> 00:44:44,094
<i>Lamprey repeat
their mating dances</i>

626
00:44:44,095 --> 00:44:46,822
<i>again and again over
the course of a day or two.</i>

627
00:44:48,237 --> 00:44:51,343
<i>Then with nothing left
to give, they die.</i>

628
00:44:54,001 --> 00:44:57,383
<i>Within two weeks,
hatchlings appear.</i>

629
00:44:57,384 --> 00:45:01,490
<i>Lamprey larvae are
called ammocoetes.</i>

630
00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:05,702
The lampreys live
as harmless larvae

631
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,670
in the tributaries

632
00:45:08,395 --> 00:45:12,501
and filter microscopic
organisms from the water
as feed

633
00:45:12,502 --> 00:45:16,057
and grow from almost
microscopic size

634
00:45:16,058 --> 00:45:18,922
up to about five to six inches.

635
00:45:18,923 --> 00:45:20,578
You'd never know
they're there,

636
00:45:20,579 --> 00:45:23,236
but hundreds of thousands
of larval sea lamprey

637
00:45:23,237 --> 00:45:25,481
can live under the muck
in an infested river.

638
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:30,278
<i>After about four
years, ammocoetes metamorphose</i>

639
00:45:30,279 --> 00:45:34,076
<i>into free-swimming juveniles
called transformers.</i>

640
00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:39,736
<i>Their mouths become
spiny fish clamps,</i>

641
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:43,430
<i>and their digestive tracts
convert to handle
different food.</i>

642
00:45:45,777 --> 00:45:47,778
<i>When these changes complete,</i>

643
00:45:47,779 --> 00:45:50,401
<i>transformers migrate
to open water</i>

644
00:45:50,402 --> 00:45:54,337
<i>and enter what Vern Applegate
called the lake phase.</i>

645
00:45:58,928 --> 00:46:02,068
<i>They're now
fish-seeking missiles,</i>

646
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:06,003
<i>ready to spend up to 18
months latching onto fish</i>

647
00:46:06,004 --> 00:46:08,420
<i>and draining them of
their bodily fluids.</i>

648
00:46:11,389 --> 00:46:13,977
Each lamprey can destroy
40 pounds of fish

649
00:46:13,978 --> 00:46:17,912
in about 12 to 18 months while
they're out there feeding
in the Great Lakes.

650
00:46:17,913 --> 00:46:19,845
So in a very short
period of time,

651
00:46:19,846 --> 00:46:21,847
you can have huge
numbers of lamprey

652
00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:24,711
and each lamprey is
killing or devastating

653
00:46:24,712 --> 00:46:26,231
a large amount of fish.

654
00:46:31,443 --> 00:46:33,203
<i>After serving
their destructive</i>

655
00:46:33,204 --> 00:46:37,586
<i>term of gluttony, lamprey
answer nature's springtime call</i>

656
00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:40,520
<i>to move shoreward and
await the water temperature</i>

657
00:46:40,521 --> 00:46:42,350
<i>green light to head
into streams</i>

658
00:46:42,351 --> 00:46:45,181
<i>and pass the torch
to a new generation.</i>

659
00:46:47,977 --> 00:46:51,462
Vern Applegate's studies
learning the natural history

660
00:46:51,463 --> 00:46:55,673
of the sea lamprey to look for
the points in the life cycle

661
00:46:55,674 --> 00:46:59,747
where control could be feasible,
that was critical.

662
00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,235
<i>When Applegate
delivered his dissertation,</i>

663
00:47:05,236 --> 00:47:08,826
<i>few lake trout remained in
Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.</i>

664
00:47:12,001 --> 00:47:14,347
<i>Economic losses
have been severe.</i>

665
00:47:14,348 --> 00:47:16,142
<i>On Lakes Huron and Michigan,</i>

666
00:47:16,143 --> 00:47:18,627
<i>entire fleets have
been tied up.</i>

667
00:47:18,628 --> 00:47:22,011
<i>Equipment and buildings have
been abandoned to the elements.</i>

668
00:47:26,982 --> 00:47:31,158
<i>How did such
a destructive invader
get past Niagara Falls?</i>

669
00:47:33,298 --> 00:47:37,855
<i>Most blame the Welland Canal,
which bypasses the falls,</i>

670
00:47:39,649 --> 00:47:42,824
<i>lifting ocean-going
vessels more than 200 feet</i>

671
00:47:42,825 --> 00:47:45,414
<i>from Lake Ontario to Lake Erie.</i>

672
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:54,111
<i>The canal opened
for shipping in 1829,</i>

673
00:47:54,112 --> 00:47:58,633
<i>so if it's to blame,
why did almost a century pass</i>

674
00:47:58,634 --> 00:48:01,429
<i>before Alexander Crewe
caught the first sea Lamprey</i>

675
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:03,294
<i>known to have entered
Lake Erie?</i>

676
00:48:07,885 --> 00:48:10,957
<i>Today's Welland Canal
is not the first configuration.</i>

677
00:48:13,614 --> 00:48:15,443
The Welland Canal
was not much more

678
00:48:15,444 --> 00:48:18,239
than a glorified
ditch in the 1800s,

679
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,206
and it was fed
from a water source

680
00:48:20,207 --> 00:48:22,244
in the middle of the
Niagara Escarpment

681
00:48:25,247 --> 00:48:29,767
and created the Welland Canal
channel that split two ways,

682
00:48:29,768 --> 00:48:32,253
so there was no unified flow

683
00:48:32,254 --> 00:48:35,326
through the canal from
Lake Erie into Lake Ontario.

684
00:48:39,675 --> 00:48:41,365
<i>When the canal
was upgraded</i>

685
00:48:41,366 --> 00:48:44,817
<i>to handle larger vessels,
the original water source</i>

686
00:48:44,818 --> 00:48:48,753
<i>proved incapable of providing
the increased flow required.</i>

687
00:48:51,894 --> 00:48:54,275
<i>Engineers tapped Lake Erie,</i>

688
00:48:54,276 --> 00:48:56,587
<i>whose water began
flowing downstream</i>

689
00:48:56,588 --> 00:48:58,107
<i>through the entire canal.</i>

690
00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:02,318
<i>For sea lamprey, that
made all the difference.</i>

691
00:49:06,115 --> 00:49:09,980
Sea lampreys are
programmed adaptively

692
00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:13,984
to move into rivers through
something called positive
rheotaxis.

693
00:49:13,985 --> 00:49:17,160
What a lamprey does is feels
the current with its face

694
00:49:17,161 --> 00:49:19,956
and it instinctively
swims upstream.

695
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:24,098
After the turn of the century,
when that Welland Canal was
modified, deepened,

696
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:28,171
and began to flow from Lake Erie
directly into Lake Ontario,

697
00:49:28,172 --> 00:49:31,313
we essentially turned that
canal into one giant river.

698
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,385
Sea lampreys
moved through into Lake Erie

699
00:49:35,386 --> 00:49:37,594
and just continued
right upstream

700
00:49:37,595 --> 00:49:40,701
through connecting
channels from lake to lake

701
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:44,118
and up the thousands
of tributaries

702
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:45,741
that feed those Great Lakes.

703
00:49:53,611 --> 00:49:55,508
<i>The economic devastation</i>

704
00:49:55,509 --> 00:49:58,649
<i>spurred the US Congress
to approve emergency funds</i>

705
00:49:58,650 --> 00:50:00,998
<i>to expand the fight
against sea lamprey.</i>

706
00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:04,656
<i>A lot more changed that year.</i>

707
00:50:06,865 --> 00:50:08,694
<i>John Van Oosten retired</i>

708
00:50:08,695 --> 00:50:12,353
<i>and turned the Ann Arbor
Federal Lab over
to James Moffet,</i>

709
00:50:12,354 --> 00:50:15,701
<i>who shifted focus from
studying sea lamprey</i>

710
00:50:15,702 --> 00:50:17,876
<i>to finding ways
to eradicate them.</i>

711
00:50:22,398 --> 00:50:24,813
<i>He hired Applegate
to lead the assault</i>

712
00:50:24,814 --> 00:50:28,231
<i>and laid claim to an abandoned
US lifesaving service</i>

713
00:50:28,232 --> 00:50:31,682
<i>lifeboat station on
Lake Huron's Hammond Bay,</i>

714
00:50:31,683 --> 00:50:33,650
<i>near the mouth of
the Ocqueoc River,</i>

715
00:50:33,651 --> 00:50:36,205
<i>where Applegate devised
a new battle plan.</i>

716
00:50:49,115 --> 00:50:52,221
<i>Prevention of spawning through
the blocking of the stream,</i>

717
00:50:53,188 --> 00:50:55,982
<i>the destruction
of larva lampreys</i>

718
00:50:55,983 --> 00:50:59,331
<i>before they emerge from
the mud and silt flats,</i>

719
00:50:59,332 --> 00:51:03,128
<i>and the destruction of
the newly transformed migrants</i>

720
00:51:03,129 --> 00:51:04,440
<i>on their way to the lake.</i>

721
00:51:05,752 --> 00:51:08,064
<i>Of the three approaches,
the first</i>

722
00:51:08,065 --> 00:51:11,309
<i>and third appear to offer
the greatest promise.</i>

723
00:51:12,759 --> 00:51:14,381
<i>He focused on those.</i>

724
00:51:17,177 --> 00:51:20,145
<i>When they found a stream
teaming with lamprey larvae</i>

725
00:51:20,146 --> 00:51:21,733
<i>they built barriers there.</i>

726
00:51:24,529 --> 00:51:28,014
They started
mechanical weirs first,

727
00:51:28,015 --> 00:51:30,120
fences across the stream,

728
00:51:30,121 --> 00:51:32,295
and then the cart
worked on those fences

729
00:51:32,296 --> 00:51:35,678
and they were
stopping the lamprey.

730
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,131
All it would take
would one breakdown,

731
00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:43,202
and if it occurred
during a spawning run,

732
00:51:43,203 --> 00:51:46,827
you had a spawning population
of lampreys upstream.

733
00:51:49,002 --> 00:51:52,246
<i>Mechanical
barriers came up short,</i>

734
00:51:52,247 --> 00:51:54,145
<i>so Applegate tried
something else.</i>

735
00:51:57,183 --> 00:51:59,149
These were
the electrified barriers.

736
00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:02,152
It was his big ticket idea,
almost like a silver bullet

737
00:52:02,153 --> 00:52:06,122
that he thought was gonna save
the Great Lakes fisheries.

738
00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:08,572
<i>Crews strung
gauntlets of electrodes</i>

739
00:52:08,573 --> 00:52:12,198
<i>from bank to bank powered
by a gas generator.</i>

740
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:16,822
There was a world
of problems with these.

741
00:52:16,823 --> 00:52:19,445
That electrified field wasn't
selective against any type

742
00:52:19,446 --> 00:52:22,414
of fish or animal whatsoever.

743
00:52:22,415 --> 00:52:24,554
Anything that got into
that electrical current

744
00:52:24,555 --> 00:52:26,970
would be shocked and killed.

745
00:52:26,971 --> 00:52:29,006
They quickly realized
that these were not

746
00:52:29,007 --> 00:52:32,149
gonna be the silver bullet they
thought they were gonna be.

747
00:52:37,706 --> 00:52:40,121
<i>Mechanical
or electrical barriers</i>

748
00:52:40,122 --> 00:52:42,607
<i>didn't validate
Applegate's first strategy,</i>

749
00:52:43,608 --> 00:52:46,059
<i>so he devised versions
to test the third.</i>

750
00:52:48,855 --> 00:52:51,028
<i>But catching
transforming lamprey,</i>

751
00:52:51,029 --> 00:52:54,688
<i>moving from streams to
the lake didn't work either.</i>

752
00:52:57,243 --> 00:53:00,693
<i>Three years in, commercial
fishing on four of the five</i>

753
00:53:00,694 --> 00:53:03,387
<i>Great Lakes was all but dead,</i>

754
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:09,531
<i>and Applegate still had no
way to stop sea lamprey.</i>

755
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:14,811
<i>Some in Congress grumbled</i>

756
00:53:14,812 --> 00:53:17,400
<i>that it was a hopeless
waste of money,</i>

757
00:53:17,401 --> 00:53:20,611
<i>but James Moffet
refused to surrender.</i>

758
00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:27,168
Moffet shifted focus away
from blocking those migrating

759
00:53:27,169 --> 00:53:31,034
adult sea lampreys and over
to the larval sea lampreys

760
00:53:31,035 --> 00:53:33,761
that were living
burrowed in the stream.

761
00:53:33,762 --> 00:53:35,935
At the time, there was a lot

762
00:53:35,936 --> 00:53:37,765
of new technologies
coming forth,

763
00:53:37,766 --> 00:53:39,732
especially in
the chemistry world.

764
00:53:39,733 --> 00:53:43,115
There had been chemicals
used for pest species,

765
00:53:43,116 --> 00:53:45,359
things like
controlling mosquitoes

766
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,569
or controlling toxic
invasive plants.

767
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:50,881
But really nothing had
ever been discovered

768
00:53:50,882 --> 00:53:54,231
to selectively kill
a vertebrate animal before.

769
00:53:56,578 --> 00:53:58,441
<i>Moffet backed the research</i>

770
00:53:58,442 --> 00:54:00,339
<i>of a University of
Michigan doctoral student</i>

771
00:54:00,340 --> 00:54:03,792
<i>named Philip Sawyer
to try something new.</i>

772
00:54:05,172 --> 00:54:06,933
<i>He set up shop at Hammond Bay.</i>

773
00:54:09,936 --> 00:54:13,871
They helped him set up a little
bioassay station all to himself.

774
00:54:15,769 --> 00:54:21,015
What Philip Sawyer
did was to look at

775
00:54:21,016 --> 00:54:24,708
all kinds of groups of chemicals

776
00:54:24,709 --> 00:54:29,645
that might have selective
toxicity to lampreys.

777
00:54:31,785 --> 00:54:34,304
He found that some of
the chemicals he was testing

778
00:54:34,305 --> 00:54:38,274
were killing lamprey before
the other creatures in his jars,

779
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:43,140
and he also noticed that they
had this weird nitrophenol
group to them.

780
00:54:43,141 --> 00:54:46,110
So he was starting to put
together these patterns.

781
00:54:48,077 --> 00:54:51,494
<i>Sawyer moved
to the East coast
after earning his doctorate,</i>

782
00:54:51,495 --> 00:54:54,498
<i>but his work with
chemicals showed promise.</i>

783
00:54:55,292 --> 00:54:58,777
<i>So Moffet and Applegate
transformed Hammond Bay</i>

784
00:54:58,778 --> 00:55:01,919
<i>into a full-blown
chemical research lab.</i>

785
00:55:06,337 --> 00:55:09,857
It was a tremendous long shot
to try to find this chemical

786
00:55:09,858 --> 00:55:13,343
that would selectively kill
sea lamprey without harming

787
00:55:13,344 --> 00:55:16,173
other aquatic animals and
organisms in the stream.

788
00:55:16,174 --> 00:55:20,005
It also couldn't harm animals
that drink from those streams.

789
00:55:20,006 --> 00:55:22,697
It couldn't interfere
with crop irrigation,

790
00:55:22,698 --> 00:55:25,182
human activity in those
streams, people swimming.

791
00:55:25,183 --> 00:55:27,115
It had to be completely safe

792
00:55:27,116 --> 00:55:29,395
and selective to
killing sea lamprey.

793
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:32,673
<i>They followed
Philip Sawyer's lead</i>

794
00:55:32,674 --> 00:55:35,297
<i>using 10-liter glass jars.</i>

795
00:55:36,402 --> 00:55:39,232
They would fill 'em
with five liters of water.

796
00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:46,032
I'd weigh up the chemical
and put in each jar,

797
00:55:49,449 --> 00:55:52,624
and we'd put two larvae
and two fish in each one,

798
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,662
and then every hour
on the hour, we took
the observation

799
00:55:56,663 --> 00:56:00,702
and most of the time,
it'd kill the fish it didn't
kill the sea lamprey.

800
00:56:02,842 --> 00:56:07,294
We simply tested any chemical
that would dissolve in water.

801
00:56:08,848 --> 00:56:12,368
<i>Chemical after
chemical was tested,</i>

802
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:15,855
<i>but 1953 ended without
reason for hope.</i>

803
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:23,138
<i>After more grueling work,
1954 did, too.</i>

804
00:56:25,209 --> 00:56:28,488
<i>1955 was more of the same.</i>

805
00:56:33,873 --> 00:56:37,255
<i>The number of chemicals tested
climbed into the thousands.</i>

806
00:56:41,915 --> 00:56:43,640
<i>Meanwhile, lake trout fishing</i>

807
00:56:43,641 --> 00:56:48,093
<i>was officially declared dead
on lakes Michigan and Huron,</i>

808
00:56:48,094 --> 00:56:51,304
<i>and Lake Superior
showed troubling signs.</i>

809
00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:57,585
Grandfather and his
brother and my dad

810
00:56:57,586 --> 00:56:59,725
fished long lines
for Lake Trout.

811
00:56:59,726 --> 00:57:03,108
Lampreys started showing up
and all of a sudden the trout

812
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:04,868
that you were getting
up were so ate up

813
00:57:04,869 --> 00:57:07,526
that buyers in Detroit,
Chicago where they would ship

814
00:57:07,527 --> 00:57:10,253
most of them, didn't want
'em all marked up like that.

815
00:57:10,254 --> 00:57:14,637
It went downhill so fast just
in a three or four year period

816
00:57:14,638 --> 00:57:18,019
that you went from catching
a ton or ton and a half

817
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:20,643
of lake trout in
a day right down to

818
00:57:20,644 --> 00:57:23,612
catching hardly nothing
the next spring.

819
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:32,413
My mother and father
would write regularly back

820
00:57:32,414 --> 00:57:34,760
and forth when he
was at Isle Royale.

821
00:57:34,761 --> 00:57:37,487
It was the only
communication available.

822
00:57:37,488 --> 00:57:41,457
There was no telephone
or radio at that time.

823
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:45,288
I remember seeing my
mother crying one day

824
00:57:45,289 --> 00:57:47,911
while she was reading
a letter from my dad,

825
00:57:47,912 --> 00:57:49,879
and I asked her what was wrong,

826
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,642
and she said, "The lamprey
have reached Isle Royale."

827
00:57:56,334 --> 00:57:59,509
It turned out to be
the beginning of the end

828
00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:04,480
of the Lake Trout fishery for
many families at Isle Royale

829
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:06,274
and along the North Shore

830
00:58:06,275 --> 00:58:08,554
and throughout all
of Lake Superior.

831
00:58:10,314 --> 00:58:12,211
The fishery was collapsing.

832
00:58:12,212 --> 00:58:15,870
The economic results
were terrible,

833
00:58:15,871 --> 00:58:19,874
and the condition of
the resource was appalling.

834
00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:21,843
There was no end in sight.

835
00:58:28,574 --> 00:58:31,404
<i>Hammond Bay
technicians soldiered on.</i>

836
00:58:33,544 --> 00:58:36,857
<i>After nearly four years
of frustrating work,</i>

837
00:58:36,858 --> 00:58:40,723
<i>a Dow Chemical company
product named Dowlap</i>

838
00:58:40,724 --> 00:58:43,622
<i>finally showed promise.</i>

839
00:58:43,623 --> 00:58:46,592
<i>The team tested it in
a stream near the lab.</i>

840
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:50,249
It killed nearly 96%
of the sea lamprey

841
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:53,115
in the stream without
harming any other organisms.

842
00:58:55,186 --> 00:58:57,394
But it proved to
only be effective

843
00:58:57,395 --> 00:58:58,982
in really large concentrations.

844
00:58:58,983 --> 00:59:02,297
So you just needed too much
of it to get the job done.

845
00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:08,785
<i>So Cliff Kortman
weighed scores more chemicals</i>

846
00:59:08,786 --> 00:59:12,479
<i>and lab technicians tested
them in glass containers.</i>

847
00:59:18,037 --> 00:59:20,590
<i>While Applegate and the
Hammond Bay chemistry team</i>

848
00:59:20,591 --> 00:59:24,837
<i>searched for a miracle,
James Moffet worked
on Congress.</i>

849
00:59:27,011 --> 00:59:31,187
<i>He had help from commercial
fishing industry leaders</i>

850
00:59:31,188 --> 00:59:33,914
<i>and a growing number of
legislators in Congress</i>

851
00:59:33,915 --> 00:59:35,641
<i>and the Canadian Parliament.</i>

852
00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:43,130
<i>In 1955, after years
of stubborn resistance,</i>

853
00:59:43,131 --> 00:59:46,271
<i>the United States Congress
and Canadian Parliament</i>

854
00:59:46,272 --> 00:59:48,342
<i>ratified a bilateral agreement</i>

855
00:59:48,343 --> 00:59:51,795
<i>establishing the Great
Lakes Fishery Commission.</i>

856
00:59:52,658 --> 00:59:56,661
<i>The two nations formally
joined forces to eradicate</i>

857
00:59:56,662 --> 00:59:59,595
<i>or minimize sea
lamprey populations</i>

858
00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,011
<i>and ensure
the maximum productivity</i>

859
01:00:02,012 --> 01:00:04,946
<i>of fish of common concern
to the two countries.</i>

860
01:00:08,777 --> 01:00:12,055
Though it really took 'til we
were in pretty dire straits

861
01:00:12,056 --> 01:00:14,644
to get sort of a milieu,
or a time

862
01:00:14,645 --> 01:00:17,233
where US and Canada
could come together

863
01:00:17,234 --> 01:00:19,476
on the Convention for
Great Lakes Fisheries,

864
01:00:19,477 --> 01:00:22,341
and even then, the fishery
commission that was created

865
01:00:22,342 --> 01:00:25,586
under that convention is not
given regulatory authority.

866
01:00:25,587 --> 01:00:28,796
They're given authority to
manage sea lamprey populations,

867
01:00:28,797 --> 01:00:30,695
but they don't have
any authority over

868
01:00:30,696 --> 01:00:32,732
managing any other fish.

869
01:00:39,739 --> 01:00:44,881
<i>In 1957,
five years into the search,</i>

870
01:00:44,882 --> 01:00:48,954
<i>Cliff Kortman weighed
another nitro-group compound</i>

871
01:00:48,955 --> 01:00:50,266
<i>used to make color dyes</i>

872
01:00:50,267 --> 01:00:52,683
<i>for the textile, print
and paint industries.</i>

873
01:00:54,858 --> 01:00:55,996
It surprised him.

874
01:00:55,997 --> 01:00:58,550
Where Dowlap was
killing sea lamprey

875
01:00:58,551 --> 01:01:01,173
at a concentration of
around 13 parts per million,

876
01:01:01,174 --> 01:01:03,728
the new chemical
was killing sea lamprey

877
01:01:03,729 --> 01:01:06,731
at around two parts
per million,
so substantially less,

878
01:01:06,732 --> 01:01:09,319
and it was significantly
more selective

879
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,528
at killing those sea lamprey.

880
01:01:11,529 --> 01:01:14,118
<i>Its name
was a mouthful.</i>

881
01:01:19,537 --> 01:01:23,472
<i>...so the Hammond Bay crew
dubbed it TFM for short.</i>

882
01:01:26,475 --> 01:01:31,617
<i>On May 14th, 1958,
James Moffett
and Vern Applegate</i>

883
01:01:31,618 --> 01:01:34,724
<i>watched the first
application of TFM</i>

884
01:01:34,725 --> 01:01:36,727
<i>in Michigan's Mosquito River.</i>

885
01:01:48,152 --> 01:01:51,499
It gave off a vivid
yellowish-green color

886
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,260
when it was applied
to the river,

887
01:01:53,261 --> 01:01:55,124
which made it easy to analyze

888
01:01:55,125 --> 01:01:57,748
so that we knew what
their concentrations were.

889
01:01:59,094 --> 01:02:01,061
<i>They placed
mesh cylinders</i>

890
01:02:01,062 --> 01:02:03,960
<i>filled with sea-lamprey
larvae downstream</i>

891
01:02:03,961 --> 01:02:06,169
<i>to measure how the
chemical's killing power</i>

892
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:08,000
<i>diminished as it traveled.</i>

893
01:02:09,587 --> 01:02:11,002
Inside the cylinders,

894
01:02:11,003 --> 01:02:13,004
all of the larval
sea-lamprey were dead,

895
01:02:13,005 --> 01:02:15,765
all the way downstream,
so they knew right away

896
01:02:15,766 --> 01:02:17,768
that they had something
big going on here.

897
01:02:18,804 --> 01:02:21,909
<i>The first test worked
better than anticipated,</i>

898
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:25,396
<i>prompting a second on another
Lake Superior tributary.</i>

899
01:02:27,916 --> 01:02:30,885
<i>Again, it exceeded
expectations.</i>

900
01:02:32,231 --> 01:02:34,473
<i>The team applied TFM</i>

901
01:02:34,474 --> 01:02:38,064
<i>to eight more Lake Superior
tributaries that fall.</i>

902
01:02:43,518 --> 01:02:48,765
<i>In 1959, a full decade after
Vern Applegate began,</i>

903
01:02:50,421 --> 01:02:53,734
<i>the strategy he assumed
least promising,</i>

904
01:02:53,735 --> 01:02:58,429
<i>attacking larvae in streams,
looked like it might succeed.</i>

905
01:03:01,363 --> 01:03:03,848
<i>And the Great Lakes
Fishery Commission</i>

906
01:03:03,849 --> 01:03:06,541
<i>approved an all-out assault.</i>

907
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,303
Everyone focused
on Lake Superior

908
01:03:11,304 --> 01:03:13,374
at the beginning of
sea lamprey control,

909
01:03:13,375 --> 01:03:16,412
because lake trout had not
disappeared completely.

910
01:03:16,413 --> 01:03:20,347
There were remnant populations
scattered around the lake,

911
01:03:20,348 --> 01:03:23,108
unlike Lake Michigan and Lake
Huron, where they were,

912
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:26,216
for all intents and purposes,
were gone completely.

913
01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:30,840
<i>Hammond Bay teams
applied TFM to 28 streams</i>

914
01:03:30,841 --> 01:03:33,430
<i>on the American side
of Lake Superior...</i>

915
01:03:34,258 --> 01:03:36,881
<i>While Canadian teams
treated nine streams</i>

916
01:03:36,882 --> 01:03:38,435
<i>on their side of the lake.</i>

917
01:03:46,029 --> 01:03:49,928
<i>When winter ended the first
round of TFM applications,</i>

918
01:03:49,929 --> 01:03:53,139
<i>the Great Lakes Fishery
Commission faced a decision.</i>

919
01:03:56,177 --> 01:03:59,248
<i>Their impact on the
sea lamprey population</i>

920
01:03:59,249 --> 01:04:01,906
<i>couldn't be assessed
for two years.</i>

921
01:04:01,907 --> 01:04:05,047
<i>That's how long any larvae
that survived the treatment</i>

922
01:04:05,048 --> 01:04:08,705
<i>and transformed into adults
would be in open water</i>

923
01:04:08,706 --> 01:04:11,502
<i>before returning to the
treated streams to spawn.</i>

924
01:04:15,575 --> 01:04:17,749
<i>Should the Commission
suspend treatments</i>

925
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:19,994
<i>until their effectiveness
was confirmed?</i>

926
01:04:22,099 --> 01:04:24,722
<i>Or should they continue
the full-scale attack?</i>

927
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,243
<i>They forged ahead.</i>

928
01:04:30,142 --> 01:04:31,901
<i>By the end of the
following autumn,</i>

929
01:04:31,902 --> 01:04:35,249
<i>American and Canadian
teams applied TFM</i>

930
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:37,389
<i>to all Lake Superior
tributaries</i>

931
01:04:37,390 --> 01:04:40,151
<i>infested with sea
lamprey larvae,</i>

932
01:04:40,152 --> 01:04:41,566
<i>as well as some streams</i>

933
01:04:41,567 --> 01:04:43,638
<i>flowing into Lake
Michigan and Lake Huron.</i>

934
01:04:50,541 --> 01:04:53,579
<i>The early results were
far from encouraging.</i>

935
01:04:54,442 --> 01:04:57,513
<i>Instead of dropping,
the spawning run count</i>

936
01:04:57,514 --> 01:05:00,034
<i>the following spring
almost doubled.</i>

937
01:05:03,692 --> 01:05:05,762
They were still
catching huge amounts

938
01:05:05,763 --> 01:05:09,145
of migrating sea lampreys,
and some chalked this up to,

939
01:05:09,146 --> 01:05:12,528
"Well, maybe there
are tributaries we
don't know about yet.

940
01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:16,635
reproduction that's happening
in rivers that we're not in,"

941
01:05:16,636 --> 01:05:18,154
others chalked it up
to the fact

942
01:05:18,155 --> 01:05:20,225
that we just aren't
killing enough,

943
01:05:20,226 --> 01:05:21,918
and this just wasn't gonna work.

944
01:05:22,746 --> 01:05:25,265
<i>Undeterred,
the Commission relied</i>

945
01:05:25,266 --> 01:05:27,508
<i>on Moffett's and
Applegate's assurances</i>

946
01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:30,202
<i>that the story would be
different the following year.</i>

947
01:05:36,001 --> 01:05:39,486
<i>Eighteen months later, when the
Great Lakes Fishery Commission</i>

948
01:05:39,487 --> 01:05:42,178
<i>met at Ottawa, Ontario,</i>

949
01:05:42,179 --> 01:05:45,562
<i>the future of Great Lakes
fishing hung in the balance.</i>

950
01:05:47,978 --> 01:05:51,118
<i>If hordes of adult sea
lamprey had returned</i>

951
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,845
<i>to treated spawning
streams again,</i>

952
01:05:53,846 --> 01:05:57,331
<i>the 13-year battle to
save Great Lakes fish</i>

953
01:05:57,332 --> 01:05:58,816
<i>would be a failure...</i>

954
01:05:59,610 --> 01:06:01,818
<i>And a fundamental aspect
of life</i>

955
01:06:01,819 --> 01:06:04,718
<i>deeply rooted in the
history of the region</i>

956
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:06,824
<i>would likely be lost forever.</i>

957
01:06:12,244 --> 01:06:15,040
<i>The Commission chairman
took the microphone.</i>

958
01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:50,178
<i>TFM devastated
the sea lamprey population.</i>

959
01:06:54,803 --> 01:06:58,566
<i>And there were no reports of
harm to people or animals.</i>

960
01:07:03,088 --> 01:07:06,262
The first spawning runs
after the initial treatments

961
01:07:06,263 --> 01:07:08,368
demonstrated, without a doubt,

962
01:07:08,369 --> 01:07:12,614
that the lampreys had been
reduced in significant numbers.

963
01:07:15,376 --> 01:07:19,655
<i>TFM accomplished
the Great Lakes Fishery
Commission's first mission,</i>

964
01:07:19,656 --> 01:07:21,658
<i>to control sea lamprey,</i>

965
01:07:22,555 --> 01:07:24,833
<i>freeing it to focus
on its second.</i>

966
01:07:29,424 --> 01:07:32,081
Sea-lamprey control was
the necessary first step

967
01:07:32,082 --> 01:07:34,463
to restore
the Great Lakes fishery.

968
01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:35,809
Without lamprey control,

969
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:38,398
fish in the lakes would
not have a fighting chance

970
01:07:38,399 --> 01:07:40,331
to survive old
enough to reproduce,

971
01:07:40,332 --> 01:07:43,645
or to be caught by humans,
or to lead a natural
life in the system.

972
01:07:45,371 --> 01:07:49,857
<i>Government-run fish
hatcheries had been
around since the 1800s,</i>

973
01:07:49,858 --> 01:07:53,620
<i>and most people assumed
that hatchery-raised fish</i>

974
01:07:53,621 --> 01:07:57,521
<i>would restore things to
how they were before
sea lamprey arrived.</i>

975
01:07:59,109 --> 01:08:01,731
After sea lamprey
control proved effective,

976
01:08:01,732 --> 01:08:04,458
officials looked to
hatcheries once again.

977
01:08:04,459 --> 01:08:05,942
The general assumption

978
01:08:05,943 --> 01:08:07,910
was that the native fish
were gonna be restored

979
01:08:07,911 --> 01:08:12,088
to revive these commercial
fisheries that were at
the docks and idle.

980
01:08:18,024 --> 01:08:19,680
Lake trout were
the principle focus

981
01:08:19,681 --> 01:08:23,270
of all of the effort to
restore fish populations

982
01:08:23,271 --> 01:08:26,549
after sea lamprey control
was proven to be effective.

983
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:30,174
The idea was to put the native
species back in the lake,

984
01:08:30,175 --> 01:08:32,900
and hopefully, that would
lead the whole system

985
01:08:32,901 --> 01:08:35,938
back towards its
original state.

986
01:08:35,939 --> 01:08:38,665
The effort invested
in lake trout recovery

987
01:08:38,666 --> 01:08:43,773
is probably the largest-scale
species recovery program ever.

988
01:08:43,774 --> 01:08:45,775
It exceeds, by quite a margin,

989
01:08:45,776 --> 01:08:48,537
the amount of federal
effort invested

990
01:08:48,538 --> 01:08:50,505
in any other species-recovery
in the country.

991
01:08:51,955 --> 01:08:54,439
From the start,
there were problems.

992
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:56,924
No matter how many lake
trout they planted,

993
01:08:56,925 --> 01:08:58,995
the populations in
Lake Huron and Lake Michigan

994
01:08:58,996 --> 01:09:00,514
just wouldn't increase.

995
01:09:00,515 --> 01:09:03,172
Sea lamprey weren't
targeting young lake trout,

996
01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:05,761
because they really can't
target that small a fish,

997
01:09:05,762 --> 01:09:07,729
something else was going on.

998
01:09:11,837 --> 01:09:16,220
In the midst of being optimistic
about sea lamprey control,

999
01:09:16,221 --> 01:09:19,155
we got invaded by another
species in the Great Lakes.

1000
01:09:23,504 --> 01:09:26,057
<i>The alewife
is a small prey fish</i>

1001
01:09:26,058 --> 01:09:28,059
<i>native to the Atlantic Ocean</i>

1002
01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:32,271
<i>that first appeared above
Niagara Falls in 1931.</i>

1003
01:09:34,066 --> 01:09:36,930
<i>From there, it spread to
Lakes Huron and Michigan,</i>

1004
01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:41,762
<i>catching the public's attention
when mounds of smelly dead fish</i>

1005
01:09:41,763 --> 01:09:44,525
<i>washed ashore in
the early 1960s.</i>

1006
01:09:46,285 --> 01:09:48,493
I remember, all up
and down Lake Michigan,

1007
01:09:48,494 --> 01:09:52,325
no one was going to the beach,
no one could could go swimming.

1008
01:09:52,326 --> 01:09:57,158
It turned what was, you know,
paradise into hell, basically.

1009
01:10:00,265 --> 01:10:02,680
Sea lampreys
facilitated alewives

1010
01:10:02,681 --> 01:10:06,684
by eliminating predators that
might have stood in the way

1011
01:10:06,685 --> 01:10:09,445
of alewives, or at least,
impeded their progress.

1012
01:10:09,446 --> 01:10:12,655
95-or-more percent of
all the fish biomass

1013
01:10:12,656 --> 01:10:16,245
in Lake Michigan was alewives.

1014
01:10:16,246 --> 01:10:20,111
They kind of threw our plans
for lake trout restoration

1015
01:10:20,112 --> 01:10:24,841
a curve ball, because they
turned out to be not that great
for lake trout either.

1016
01:10:26,256 --> 01:10:29,948
Alewives are a double-edged
sword for lake trout.

1017
01:10:29,949 --> 01:10:32,157
When lake trout are
smaller than alewives,

1018
01:10:32,158 --> 01:10:35,022
they're vulnerable to
being eaten by alewives.

1019
01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:39,303
But the reverse is true when
alewives are smaller than
lake trout.

1020
01:10:39,304 --> 01:10:41,926
So alewives were probably
one of the reasons

1021
01:10:41,927 --> 01:10:44,930
why lake trout could not
reproduce successfully.

1022
01:10:48,382 --> 01:10:52,592
<i>Alewives prayed on
lake trout eggs and larvae,</i>

1023
01:10:52,593 --> 01:10:56,044
<i>threatening the recovery
that TFM made possible.</i>

1024
01:10:57,391 --> 01:11:00,116
<i>Beyond that, lake trout
takes several years</i>

1025
01:11:00,117 --> 01:11:01,980
<i>to reach maturity.</i>

1026
01:11:01,981 --> 01:11:03,465
<i>So it might be a decade</i>

1027
01:11:03,466 --> 01:11:06,295
<i>before hatchery-raised
lake trout that survived</i>

1028
01:11:06,296 --> 01:11:08,574
<i>could dent the
alewife population.</i>

1029
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,164
<i>But what could be done?</i>

1030
01:11:15,478 --> 01:11:17,996
<i>Howard Tanner was
the Chief of Fisheries</i>

1031
01:11:17,997 --> 01:11:21,448
<i>for the Michigan
Department of Conservation.</i>

1032
01:11:21,449 --> 01:11:24,658
<i>While most people saw
alewives as a problem,</i>

1033
01:11:24,659 --> 01:11:27,766
<i>Howard saw a tremendous
opportunity.</i>

1034
01:11:29,561 --> 01:11:32,528
When Howard first came
to be Chief of Fisheries,

1035
01:11:32,529 --> 01:11:36,014
there had been a 10-year decline
in fishing license sales,

1036
01:11:36,015 --> 01:11:37,913
which was the only
source of revenue

1037
01:11:37,914 --> 01:11:41,537
for the department
for fisheries work.

1038
01:11:41,538 --> 01:11:44,575
The then-director,
Ralph McMullen, said,

1039
01:11:44,576 --> 01:11:46,542
"You know, things
aren't going well.

1040
01:11:46,543 --> 01:11:48,958
You need to try
some things new."

1041
01:11:48,959 --> 01:11:51,720
Ralph called me into the office,
we had a long conversation,

1042
01:11:51,721 --> 01:11:54,170
and he ended my
conversation with,

1043
01:11:54,171 --> 01:11:55,758
he said, "Do something.

1044
01:11:55,759 --> 01:11:57,588
And if you can
make it spectacular,

1045
01:11:57,589 --> 01:11:59,798
why, please make
it spectacular."

1046
01:12:00,592 --> 01:12:02,178
<i>What Howard Tanner did</i>

1047
01:12:02,179 --> 01:12:05,906
<i>dramatically changed the
future of Great Lakes fishing</i>

1048
01:12:05,907 --> 01:12:08,771
<i>and made sea lamprey
control more crucial</i>

1049
01:12:08,772 --> 01:12:11,188
<i>than anyone ever imagined.</i>

1050
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,432
<i>Tanner knew something
about the kind of fish</i>

1051
01:12:14,433 --> 01:12:16,297
<i>that excites sport anglers.</i>

1052
01:12:17,505 --> 01:12:20,162
<i>He also knew what
those fish like to eat,</i>

1053
01:12:20,163 --> 01:12:23,718
<i>and alewives were
definitely on the menu.</i>

1054
01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:27,342
<i>The state's
Department of Natural Resources</i>

1055
01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:29,413
<i>chose the coho salmon.</i>

1056
01:12:29,414 --> 01:12:32,450
<i>A million coho eggs
were flown from Oregon.</i>

1057
01:12:32,451 --> 01:12:36,247
<i>Dr. Howard Tanner tells
why this salmon was picked.</i>

1058
01:12:36,248 --> 01:12:39,284
You want a fish that's big
and beautiful and grows fast

1059
01:12:39,285 --> 01:12:41,942
and eats alewife, and is
attractive to the sportsman,

1060
01:12:41,943 --> 01:12:43,530
and one that he likes to catch,

1061
01:12:43,531 --> 01:12:45,532
one that fights well,
one that's beautiful,

1062
01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:47,327
one that tastes good.

1063
01:12:47,328 --> 01:12:49,847
And I guess you'd have to
ask one that's kind of dumb,

1064
01:12:49,848 --> 01:12:51,987
because after all,
you want the fishermen

1065
01:12:51,988 --> 01:12:53,921
to be capable outsmarting
him and catching him.

1066
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:59,166
<i>Before Michigan put
salmon into the Great Lakes,</i>

1067
01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:03,379
<i>anglers mostly fished smaller,
more tranquil inland lakes.</i>

1068
01:13:04,932 --> 01:13:07,106
<i>The big lakes were for
commercial fishing.</i>

1069
01:13:09,108 --> 01:13:10,696
<i>Salmon changed that.</i>

1070
01:13:12,871 --> 01:13:16,529
<i>They drew fishing fanatics
to the big lakes in droves,</i>

1071
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:18,497
<i>and not just from local towns.</i>

1072
01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:22,845
<i>Sport anglers from
around the world</i>

1073
01:13:22,846 --> 01:13:25,539
<i>traveled to fish
the Great Lakes.</i>

1074
01:13:27,437 --> 01:13:29,404
And you saw all kinds of boats.

1075
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:34,892
I mean, small row boats,
speed boats, pontoon boats,

1076
01:13:34,893 --> 01:13:37,722
going out of the
beyond the break walls,

1077
01:13:37,723 --> 01:13:40,829
dangerously into open water
with very little freeboard

1078
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:44,419
on many of these skiing
boats to fish for salmon.

1079
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:47,561
They were that excited,
and they were catching fish.

1080
01:13:50,322 --> 01:13:52,530
You could go out
there without trying

1081
01:13:52,531 --> 01:13:55,084
and not having
a ton of knowledge

1082
01:13:55,085 --> 01:13:57,155
and catch a lot of
fish and quality fish,

1083
01:13:57,156 --> 01:13:58,640
and it was consistent.

1084
01:13:58,641 --> 01:14:00,849
They call it salmon
fever for a reason,

1085
01:14:00,850 --> 01:14:03,646
because once you start catching
salmon, it's hard to stop.

1086
01:14:05,233 --> 01:14:07,097
<i>Salmon fight like crazy.</i>

1087
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:10,893
<i>They roam
the entire water column,</i>

1088
01:14:10,894 --> 01:14:14,276
<i>so you don't always
have to fish deep,</i>

1089
01:14:14,277 --> 01:14:16,451
<i>and they return to
streams to spawn,</i>

1090
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,316
<i>giving landlubbers the chance
to get in on the action.</i>

1091
01:14:23,148 --> 01:14:26,391
<i>Most importantly,
for fisheries managers,</i>

1092
01:14:26,392 --> 01:14:29,360
<i>salmon grow much
faster than lake trout</i>

1093
01:14:29,361 --> 01:14:32,501
<i>and they eat
alewives voraciously,</i>

1094
01:14:32,502 --> 01:14:36,679
<i>so they quickly put a big dent
in the alewife population.</i>

1095
01:14:38,543 --> 01:14:40,613
<i>Every state with
a Great Lake shoreline</i>

1096
01:14:40,614 --> 01:14:42,269
<i>got in on the action,</i>

1097
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:45,652
<i>planting salmon
in their own streams.</i>

1098
01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:49,657
<i>So did Ontario, making it
an international effort.</i>

1099
01:14:51,832 --> 01:14:56,456
<i>Salmon made the Great Lakes
a world-renowned fishing
destination,</i>

1100
01:14:56,457 --> 01:14:59,148
<i>launching a multi-billion
dollar industry</i>

1101
01:14:59,149 --> 01:15:02,359
<i>that revitalized struggling
lake shore towns.</i>

1102
01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:12,403
Lots of salmon early on
had scarring and-or had
sea lamprey attached,

1103
01:15:12,404 --> 01:15:15,061
so without the
prospect of control,

1104
01:15:15,062 --> 01:15:17,064
we would've never
introduced salmon.

1105
01:15:20,585 --> 01:15:22,724
<i>Before the
recreational fishing boom,</i>

1106
01:15:22,725 --> 01:15:25,347
<i>TFM was never applied
to tributaries</i>

1107
01:15:25,348 --> 01:15:27,626
<i>feeding Lakes Ontario and Erie.</i>

1108
01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:33,528
<i>That changed when Ontario,
New York State, Pennsylvania,</i>

1109
01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:36,117
<i>and Ohio began stocking salmon.</i>

1110
01:15:37,843 --> 01:15:42,088
It was a very high wounding
rate, so the folks down
there decided

1111
01:15:42,089 --> 01:15:46,402
that there was no sense of
us putting in fish if
they're not gonna survive.

1112
01:15:46,403 --> 01:15:48,888
So we started our original
survey work down there

1113
01:15:48,889 --> 01:15:50,924
in the early 70s,

1114
01:15:50,925 --> 01:15:53,238
and then picked up
on the treatments.

1115
01:15:56,379 --> 01:15:59,588
The recreational fishery
opportunities in
the Great Lakes

1116
01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:02,418
were really unexploited
at that time

1117
01:16:02,419 --> 01:16:04,767
and offered tremendous
opportunities.

1118
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:10,081
The salmon introduction
kind of paved the way

1119
01:16:10,082 --> 01:16:12,049
for looking at the Great Lakes

1120
01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:15,880
as a source of recreational
fishing opportunities,

1121
01:16:15,881 --> 01:16:18,677
more so than it had ever
happened in the past.

1122
01:16:20,541 --> 01:16:22,784
Sea lamprey control
made it all possible.

1123
01:16:22,785 --> 01:16:25,649
Salmon are just as susceptible
to sea lamprey attacks

1124
01:16:25,650 --> 01:16:27,167
as lake trout are,

1125
01:16:27,168 --> 01:16:29,238
and so people came
back to the water.

1126
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:31,171
There was a new thing
to come back to.

1127
01:16:31,172 --> 01:16:34,140
It was salmon fishing,
it was sport fishing.

1128
01:16:34,141 --> 01:16:36,660
Even fishing for lake
trout became popular again,

1129
01:16:36,661 --> 01:16:38,421
and still is today.

1130
01:16:51,814 --> 01:16:54,678
<i>As they have
since Vernon Applegate's day,</i>

1131
01:16:54,679 --> 01:16:58,165
<i>crews still inspect streams
for sea lamprey larvae.</i>

1132
01:17:07,519 --> 01:17:08,933
<i>And treatment teams deploy</i>

1133
01:17:08,934 --> 01:17:11,040
<i>to where troubling
numbers are found.</i>

1134
01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:14,939
People think that the
sea lamprey problem

1135
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:16,458
was dealt with years ago.

1136
01:17:16,459 --> 01:17:19,496
They don't realize that
it's an ongoing program.

1137
01:17:22,465 --> 01:17:24,811
<i>TFM remains the foundation</i>

1138
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:26,710
<i>of the Great Lakes
Fishery Commission's</i>

1139
01:17:26,711 --> 01:17:28,954
<i>sea lamprey control program.</i>

1140
01:17:30,335 --> 01:17:32,647
TFM stood
the test of time.

1141
01:17:32,648 --> 01:17:35,063
It has been studied
and followed.

1142
01:17:35,064 --> 01:17:37,582
Once it reaches the
open water of the lakes,

1143
01:17:37,583 --> 01:17:41,553
it dilutes to concentrations
that cannot even be measured.

1144
01:17:43,728 --> 01:17:45,521
TFM is very selective.

1145
01:17:45,522 --> 01:17:47,662
It's not persistent
in the environment,

1146
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,111
it doesn't bioaccumulate,

1147
01:17:49,112 --> 01:17:51,805
and it's really one of the
safest pesticides there is.

1148
01:17:53,738 --> 01:17:55,739
Obviously, you don't
want chemicals in water,

1149
01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:57,844
you don't want chemicals
in the Great Lakes,

1150
01:17:57,845 --> 01:18:00,571
but chemicals are a form
of pollution that dilutes,

1151
01:18:00,572 --> 01:18:02,193
that disperses.

1152
01:18:02,194 --> 01:18:05,507
Invasive species are a
pollution that reproduces.

1153
01:18:05,508 --> 01:18:10,339
If you can find a way to
contain that explosive growth

1154
01:18:10,340 --> 01:18:14,309
of this living, reproducing
awful pollution,

1155
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:16,415
then you gotta take
a serious look at doing that.

1156
01:18:21,731 --> 01:18:24,802
Sea lamprey management
and the use of chemical controls

1157
01:18:24,803 --> 01:18:28,323
has been going on for so long,
and it has been successful.

1158
01:18:28,324 --> 01:18:29,773
And so I think by and large,

1159
01:18:29,774 --> 01:18:31,878
people in the
environmental community,

1160
01:18:31,879 --> 01:18:34,605
members of the public,
don't actually think too much

1161
01:18:34,606 --> 01:18:36,366
about the fact
that it's going on.

1162
01:18:37,782 --> 01:18:39,886
We have to be
exceptionally careful

1163
01:18:39,887 --> 01:18:42,302
with what humans
put in the water.

1164
01:18:42,303 --> 01:18:44,926
I don't think that means
the method has to be stopped,

1165
01:18:44,927 --> 01:18:47,307
but I think a lot of
thinking needs to go into,

1166
01:18:47,308 --> 01:18:50,552
how can we ensure
that there continues

1167
01:18:50,553 --> 01:18:53,313
to be no material
deleterious effects

1168
01:18:53,314 --> 01:18:56,283
by introducing these chemicals
into the water system?

1169
01:18:58,906 --> 01:19:00,942
Sea lamprey control
is constantly evolving,

1170
01:19:00,943 --> 01:19:02,529
and this is really important.

1171
01:19:02,530 --> 01:19:04,704
It's evolving both
with technology,

1172
01:19:04,705 --> 01:19:06,811
but also to a changing society.

1173
01:19:09,675 --> 01:19:11,987
The goalposts
are moving on us.

1174
01:19:11,988 --> 01:19:14,507
The problem is going
to be to find a way

1175
01:19:14,508 --> 01:19:16,543
to control sea lampreys

1176
01:19:16,544 --> 01:19:18,994
when actually the Great
Lakes have been made

1177
01:19:18,995 --> 01:19:21,032
much more hospitable to them.

1178
01:19:25,726 --> 01:19:28,728
<i>Water flows from
Lake Superior into Lake Huron</i>

1179
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:30,489
<i>through the St. Mary's River.</i>

1180
01:19:32,837 --> 01:19:36,494
<i>Canadian and American cities,
both named Sault Ste. Marie,</i>

1181
01:19:36,495 --> 01:19:39,360
<i>straddle the rapids
where whitefish spawn,</i>

1182
01:19:40,258 --> 01:19:42,017
<i>drawing Indigenous people</i>

1183
01:19:42,018 --> 01:19:45,366
<i>long before Europeans first
came to the Great Lakes.</i>

1184
01:19:48,542 --> 01:19:51,924
<i>By the 1950s, much of
the river was transformed</i>

1185
01:19:51,925 --> 01:19:55,272
<i>into a canal and lock
system for ships,</i>

1186
01:19:55,273 --> 01:19:58,069
<i>and whitefish no
longer came to spawn.</i>

1187
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:03,487
In the 1960s, Dr. Jim Tibbles,

1188
01:20:03,488 --> 01:20:07,042
the director of the Sea Lamprey
Control Center at the time,

1189
01:20:07,043 --> 01:20:10,597
referred to the St. Mary's
River as a biological desert,

1190
01:20:10,598 --> 01:20:13,738
meaning that it didn't
support life of any kind.

1191
01:20:13,739 --> 01:20:17,157
It was highly polluted and
very little usable habitat.

1192
01:20:19,711 --> 01:20:21,125
<i>The Canadian Parliament</i>

1193
01:20:21,126 --> 01:20:24,232
<i>and US Congress passed
major environmental laws</i>

1194
01:20:24,233 --> 01:20:26,407
<i>that dramatically
cut pollution.</i>

1195
01:20:27,995 --> 01:20:29,582
<i>When the water cleared,</i>

1196
01:20:29,583 --> 01:20:33,241
<i>whitefish returned to their
historic spawning grounds.</i>

1197
01:20:33,242 --> 01:20:34,795
<i>But they weren't alone.</i>

1198
01:20:35,658 --> 01:20:38,660
We saw a gradual increase

1199
01:20:38,661 --> 01:20:42,319
in the abundance of larval
sea lamprey in the St. Mary's

1200
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,116
to the point where it was
probably the number one source

1201
01:20:46,117 --> 01:20:48,704
of parasitic sea
lamprey in Lake Huron,

1202
01:20:48,705 --> 01:20:50,052
if not the Great Lakes.

1203
01:20:51,605 --> 01:20:53,778
<i>Their numbers
rocketed so dramatically</i>

1204
01:20:53,779 --> 01:20:57,368
<i>in Lake Huron, they threatened
to destroy the fisheries</i>

1205
01:20:57,369 --> 01:20:59,544
<i>that took so long to rebuild.</i>

1206
01:21:04,998 --> 01:21:10,692
There are certain rivers
that can't be effectively
treated with TFM

1207
01:21:10,693 --> 01:21:13,971
because of their size,
water volume.

1208
01:21:13,972 --> 01:21:16,801
When you get down into the
bigger connecting channels

1209
01:21:16,802 --> 01:21:19,943
down in the St. Clair, down in
the Detroit River area and that,

1210
01:21:19,944 --> 01:21:21,876
they're just so huge
and so vast

1211
01:21:21,877 --> 01:21:26,742
that TFM wouldn't be the answer
at all to try and treat.

1212
01:21:26,743 --> 01:21:30,332
As the streams tributary of
the Great Lakes clean up,

1213
01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:33,059
there's more and more
habitat for sea lamprey.

1214
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:36,752
We need new technology
that's less costly

1215
01:21:36,753 --> 01:21:38,617
and can work on
these big rivers.

1216
01:21:42,069 --> 01:21:43,863
Lamprey are not
going to go away.

1217
01:21:43,864 --> 01:21:46,486
They are here to stay.
They're part of the Great Lakes

1218
01:21:46,487 --> 01:21:49,110
and every fishery management
decision that has been made

1219
01:21:49,111 --> 01:21:52,942
since the lamprey invasion
has to take sea lamprey
into account.

1220
01:21:54,599 --> 01:21:58,809
This is very much about
countries working together,

1221
01:21:58,810 --> 01:22:00,293
states working together,

1222
01:22:00,294 --> 01:22:04,608
communities, tribes working
together, local communities.

1223
01:22:04,609 --> 01:22:06,817
Sea lamprey are not only ugly,

1224
01:22:06,818 --> 01:22:09,303
but they're ugly for the lakes.

1225
01:22:20,383 --> 01:22:23,110
<i>Don Dubin lives
near Chicago, Illinois.</i>

1226
01:22:24,801 --> 01:22:26,664
Fishing is my life.

1227
01:22:26,665 --> 01:22:29,150
I started fishing
as a young kid,

1228
01:22:29,151 --> 01:22:33,533
probably, oh, five,
six years old.

1229
01:22:33,534 --> 01:22:37,573
My grandfather took me
out to the Chicago parks.

1230
01:22:38,505 --> 01:22:42,577
<i>His basement is
a museum to his passion.</i>

1231
01:22:42,578 --> 01:22:47,064
As a young kid, I dreamed of
someday catching a big
trophy fish

1232
01:22:47,065 --> 01:22:49,342
and putting it on my wall.

1233
01:22:49,343 --> 01:22:52,311
And I learned
taxidermy on my own.

1234
01:22:52,312 --> 01:22:57,178
Today I have all the fish
that I really tried to catch.

1235
01:22:57,179 --> 01:22:58,765
I became a woodcarver.

1236
01:22:58,766 --> 01:23:01,389
So I have become an activist

1237
01:23:01,390 --> 01:23:03,253
because fishing in
the Great Lakes is

1238
01:23:03,254 --> 01:23:07,154
such a valuable
resource for people.

1239
01:23:15,576 --> 01:23:18,958
Sportfishing in the Great
Lakes is one of the reasons

1240
01:23:18,959 --> 01:23:20,788
that people live here.

1241
01:23:29,763 --> 01:23:32,489
We pull people in from
all over the country

1242
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:35,320
who think this is a great
fishery and come to fish.

1243
01:23:39,566 --> 01:23:43,086
This is a fisherman's dream.

1244
01:23:43,087 --> 01:23:45,709
<i>Joe King retired
from the insurance business</i>

1245
01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:47,745
<i>and launched a hunting
and fishing club</i>

1246
01:23:47,746 --> 01:23:49,989
<i>in Indianapolis, Indiana,</i>

1247
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:52,578
<i>that teaches inner-city
children to fish.</i>

1248
01:23:52,579 --> 01:23:55,063
How do you think it's
about what you wanted?

1249
01:23:55,064 --> 01:23:57,583
It's about any other
fish in the world.

1250
01:23:57,584 --> 01:23:59,447
They are some tough fish.

1251
01:23:59,448 --> 01:24:01,690
<i>Every fall,
he brings mentors from his club</i>

1252
01:24:01,691 --> 01:24:04,177
<i>to Michigan to fish for salmon.</i>

1253
01:24:06,455 --> 01:24:08,732
Over 30-some-odd years
I've been coming up here.

1254
01:24:08,733 --> 01:24:10,941
But you see young adults.

1255
01:24:10,942 --> 01:24:15,359
You see women and you see
men and they're all fishing.

1256
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:16,912
They just enjoy it.

1257
01:24:16,913 --> 01:24:18,535
It's just a beautiful place

1258
01:24:18,536 --> 01:24:21,194
and a true outdoorsman,
this is heaven.

1259
01:24:28,684 --> 01:24:30,926
<i>Commercial
fishing came back too</i>

1260
01:24:30,927 --> 01:24:33,170
<i>and is an important
economic engine again</i>

1261
01:24:33,171 --> 01:24:36,000
<i>for First Nations,
tribal communities,</i>

1262
01:24:36,001 --> 01:24:39,867
<i>and small towns on both sides
of the US-Canadian border.</i>

1263
01:24:46,253 --> 01:24:49,497
<i>But the history of Great
Lakes fishing teaches us</i>

1264
01:24:49,498 --> 01:24:51,914
<i>that nothing can be
taken for granted.</i>

1265
01:24:56,021 --> 01:24:59,300
It takes a lot of effort
to control the sea lamprey.

1266
01:24:59,301 --> 01:25:01,060
But without that control,

1267
01:25:01,061 --> 01:25:04,064
there wouldn't be any
fish in the Great Lakes.

1268
01:25:09,966 --> 01:25:11,450
Without
sea lamprey control,

1269
01:25:11,451 --> 01:25:15,178
we couldn't talk about restoring
Great Lakes native fishes.

1270
01:25:15,179 --> 01:25:16,938
We wouldn't talk
about lake trout.

1271
01:25:16,939 --> 01:25:21,080
We really wouldn't talk about
invasive species control at all,

1272
01:25:21,081 --> 01:25:25,119
because there just would be
no fishery out there
to talk about.

1273
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,019
One side is good,
this side is bad.

1274
01:25:29,469 --> 01:25:30,849
The lamprey eel was on it.

1275
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:42,308
<i>The Hammond Bay
Laboratory still stands</i>

1276
01:25:42,309 --> 01:25:43,966
<i>on the Lake Huron shore.</i>

1277
01:25:48,212 --> 01:25:51,283
<i>In a dusty corner of
a storage shed there,</i>

1278
01:25:51,284 --> 01:25:55,528
<i>stand some forgotten cabinets
filled with index cards,</i>

1279
01:25:55,529 --> 01:25:58,876
<i>each cataloging a chemical
that was analyzed at the lab</i>

1280
01:25:58,877 --> 01:26:02,087
<i>in the search for a weapon
to defeat sea lamprey.</i>

1281
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,126
<i>Vernon Applegate's
team tested thousands</i>

1282
01:26:07,127 --> 01:26:09,887
<i>of compounds acquired
from chemical companies,</i>

1283
01:26:09,888 --> 01:26:13,168
<i>universities, and other
sources around the world.</i>

1284
01:26:16,516 --> 01:26:21,175
<i>The 5,209th compound
tested</i>

1285
01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:23,798
<i>proved to be the needle
in the haystack</i>

1286
01:26:23,799 --> 01:26:26,491
<i>that no one knew
would ever be found.</i>

1287
01:26:30,081 --> 01:26:32,186
Killing fish is
not that difficult.

1288
01:26:32,187 --> 01:26:36,190
There are chemicals out there
that will kill fish effectively.

1289
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,951
What is difficult is
killing exactly the fish

1290
01:26:38,952 --> 01:26:41,333
that you want to kill
and not harming the fish

1291
01:26:41,334 --> 01:26:44,613
that you want to leave in
the river or in the lake.

1292
01:26:47,098 --> 01:26:49,237
I remember talking to
Louie King,

1293
01:26:49,238 --> 01:26:53,690
and he told me of the pit
that he had in his stomach

1294
01:26:53,691 --> 01:26:57,003
when he arrived in northern
Michigan for the first time

1295
01:26:57,004 --> 01:26:59,903
and looked out at Lake Huron
and just saw all this water

1296
01:26:59,904 --> 01:27:02,423
and thought, "How in
the world are we going

1297
01:27:02,424 --> 01:27:05,634
to control a species in
this vast body of water?"

1298
01:27:07,049 --> 01:27:09,153
It's been described
as a moonshot.

1299
01:27:09,154 --> 01:27:11,880
They took a long time,
very methodically,

1300
01:27:11,881 --> 01:27:16,022
to figure out exactly where
the chink in the armor was

1301
01:27:16,023 --> 01:27:18,371
in this devastating species.

1302
01:27:20,165 --> 01:27:21,683
It's truly a remarkable thing

1303
01:27:21,684 --> 01:27:24,099
to find something that
could be so selective.

1304
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:26,412
If we hadn't discovered TFM,

1305
01:27:26,413 --> 01:27:29,104
the whole economy of the Great
Lakes would probably look

1306
01:27:29,105 --> 01:27:31,246
dramatically different
than it does now.

1307
01:27:33,317 --> 01:27:35,835
Even today, in invasive
species control science,

1308
01:27:35,836 --> 01:27:37,285
sea lamprey is looked at

1309
01:27:37,286 --> 01:27:41,185
as one of the biggest
success stories in existence.

1310
01:27:41,186 --> 01:27:42,946
It's one of the only cases

1311
01:27:42,947 --> 01:27:45,983
where a very destructive
invasive species was

1312
01:27:45,984 --> 01:27:49,780
completely brought under
control, held under control,

1313
01:27:49,781 --> 01:27:54,821
and has allowed an ecosystem
to recover and function.

1314
01:27:56,926 --> 01:28:00,170
It's an amazing program.
Who could have guessed

1315
01:28:00,171 --> 01:28:03,139
that you could actually
control these things?

1316
01:28:06,557 --> 01:28:09,559
The important lesson here is
that government investment

1317
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,251
and science benefit the economy

1318
01:28:12,252 --> 01:28:16,117
and benefit us in our small
communities on the coasts

1319
01:28:16,118 --> 01:28:19,189
who really enjoy and
need the Great Lakes

1320
01:28:19,190 --> 01:28:20,329
as part of our culture.

1321
01:28:26,162 --> 01:28:28,716
The management of
sea lamprey has granted

1322
01:28:28,717 --> 01:28:32,375
the Great Lakes region
a second chance to bring back

1323
01:28:32,376 --> 01:28:35,723
a thriving, naturally
reproducing native fishery,

1324
01:28:35,724 --> 01:28:38,173
and that's got benefits
written all over it

1325
01:28:38,174 --> 01:28:40,280
for Great Lakes communities
across the region.

1326
01:28:42,593 --> 01:28:46,527
It required US and Canadian
ingenuity and expertise

1327
01:28:46,528 --> 01:28:50,082
to work together
to find the solution

1328
01:28:50,083 --> 01:28:53,603
and then to implement it and
to continue that program.

1329
01:28:53,604 --> 01:28:57,123
So we need to work together,
not just on sea lamprey,

1330
01:28:57,124 --> 01:28:58,504
but on other invasive species,

1331
01:28:58,505 --> 01:29:01,681
on other common
challenges in the region.

1332
01:29:07,894 --> 01:29:11,793
We don't know what other
species may be coming.

1333
01:29:11,794 --> 01:29:15,521
And often those mix
of other things,

1334
01:29:15,522 --> 01:29:18,041
we don't know how they'll
relate with each other

1335
01:29:18,042 --> 01:29:20,078
and with what we're
living with now.

1336
01:29:22,667 --> 01:29:26,083
We want to celebrate
the success of the sea lamprey
control program,

1337
01:29:26,084 --> 01:29:28,120
but we also want to
take it as a reminder

1338
01:29:28,121 --> 01:29:31,019
to try to focus on preventing
new invasive species

1339
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:33,746
from getting into the Great
Lakes in the first place.

1340
01:29:33,747 --> 01:29:37,647
We don't want to have to rely
on technology silver bullets

1341
01:29:37,648 --> 01:29:40,960
or the need to continually
control a species

1342
01:29:40,961 --> 01:29:42,652
in order to protect
the Great Lakes

1343
01:29:42,653 --> 01:29:44,344
for the people who live here.

1344
01:29:45,932 --> 01:29:50,418
The best solution is not
allowing the invasive species

1345
01:29:50,419 --> 01:29:53,491
to get into the Great Lakes
ecosystem in the first place.

1346
01:29:57,392 --> 01:30:00,014
It's so important.
We don't want to lose this.

1347
01:30:00,015 --> 01:30:01,533
We've got to protect it.

1348
01:30:01,534 --> 01:30:03,950
I want to make sure we
have this in the future.



