1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.LT 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.LT 3 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:28,314 After black smoke, I saw one woman running first. 4 00:02:29,065 --> 00:02:31,609 Then another woman carry the baby. 5 00:02:32,527 --> 00:02:35,572 She called, "Help me, help me. My grandchild." 6 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,242 Stopped by all the media, 7 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:44,080 and the boy died like one second after I shot my picture. 8 00:03:07,228 --> 00:03:08,938 I took a picture of her. 9 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:13,693 When she passed me, I saw her skin come off, 10 00:03:13,776 --> 00:03:15,612 the body burned so badly, 11 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:19,157 I said, "No, I don’t want no more pictures of her, I think she'll die in minutes." 12 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:45,217 I came to LA in 1977. 13 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:47,928 I look at Hollywood and I said, "My God, 14 00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:50,639 Vietnam and Hollywood big difference." 15 00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:28,510 I worked here much later so I didn't know those people. 16 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:49,114 My name is Lê Vân, and I am a journalist living in Ho Chi Minh City. 17 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:52,785 At first this story captured my curiosity 18 00:15:52,868 --> 00:15:55,704 but I wasn't sure if the story was true or not. 19 00:15:56,246 --> 00:16:00,834 I wanted to know, if it is true, 20 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:04,880 then how could it have been hidden for so many years? 21 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:09,843 When Mr. Carl told me that he wanted to find the true author of the photo 22 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,971 to say sorry to him, 23 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:17,518 he sent me a few photographs of the person 24 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:19,728 who he thought was the author of the photo. 25 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:23,649 And from that I started to look for him. 26 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:26,545 She ran out from the temple, out to the road, in the middle, 27 00:17:26,628 --> 00:17:30,758 then they all ran here. Where we are now. 28 00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:40,726 They first bombed in this area, this one, then continued to others. 29 00:17:42,311 --> 00:17:44,146 This was the first attack. 30 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:48,400 Yes, napalm. 31 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:52,029 This was me with Kim Phúc's family. 32 00:17:52,112 --> 00:17:52,946 Here's Kim Phúc. 33 00:17:53,447 --> 00:17:54,615 Tâm. 34 00:17:54,698 --> 00:17:57,367 All family. These too, all family. 35 00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:05,084 Yes, that's me. 36 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:08,337 Here, my sister was leading my brother. 37 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:11,340 There was a lot of screaming. 38 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:17,679 I stayed calm and peeled off the bomb pieces 39 00:18:17,763 --> 00:18:23,143 that stuck like burnt rice on them. 40 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:27,106 So, where were you when the bomb dropped? 41 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:28,941 I was running. 42 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:32,569 Then as I was running, the bomb dropped. 43 00:18:33,237 --> 00:18:38,742 I ran with Unit 25 while Kim Phúc was with her grandmother so she got burned. 44 00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:45,415 We ran together. Each group of each side of the bridge, 45 00:18:45,499 --> 00:18:47,918 running, tumbling, screaming. 46 00:18:55,926 --> 00:18:58,595 No, I didn’t know. I didn’t know who was taking pictures either. 47 00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:15,904 I saw them putting her in a vehicle. 48 00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:17,114 Who put her in a vehicle? 49 00:19:17,197 --> 00:19:20,701 People around, people helped each other and put her in. 50 00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:22,452 Who were they? 51 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:24,037 There were many people. 52 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:25,372 But they were civilians or soldiers? 53 00:19:25,455 --> 00:19:27,749 Civilians, they put her in a vehicle. 54 00:19:28,208 --> 00:19:31,879 Back then, anyone who looked neat, white and fair-skinned, 55 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:34,339 we thought they were Americans. 56 00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:39,428 We just said, let them take her to save her. And it's true, she was saved. 57 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:48,353 No. No. 58 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:52,316 The person was just a well-dressed civilian. 59 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,694 That's all we remember. 60 00:19:57,487 --> 00:19:59,323 The past is the past, just let it go. 61 00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,675 I picked her up, put her in my company car - the van 62 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:23,305 and all the kids inside they cry all the time for 40 minutes, 35 minutes. 63 00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:25,849 We stopped at Cu Chi hospital - 64 00:20:26,391 --> 00:20:28,352 when I showed my media pass, it worked very well. 65 00:20:28,435 --> 00:20:30,229 They take her inside right away. 66 00:20:44,117 --> 00:20:48,914 That photo had a profound impact on the history of my country. 67 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:57,589 The "Napalm Girl" photo helped the anti-war movement in Vietnam. 68 00:20:57,673 --> 00:21:01,343 And that was extremely meaningful to the Vietnamese people 69 00:21:01,426 --> 00:21:04,513 who had experienced a long wartime period, of pain, and loss. 70 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:09,935 Because of this, the person who was able to 71 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:15,816 bring this moment and image to the world is a hero in Vietnamese history. 72 00:29:09,831 --> 00:29:15,670 Finding the stringer will be difficult because this story took place so long ago. 73 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:21,718 The people who could possibly know have either passed away 74 00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:25,638 or resettled to a foreign country, and their whereabouts are unclear. 75 00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:32,771 When we posted on Facebook, the information was very vague. 76 00:29:34,022 --> 00:29:36,232 So, I didn’t have high hopes. 77 00:31:58,082 --> 00:32:01,210 I did call ---- up one day, and I asked him about this 78 00:32:01,294 --> 00:32:05,131 and he said, "Talk to Carl. He's telling the truth." That's all he would say. 79 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:08,343 He wouldn't go beyond that. 80 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:08,637 One of my friends, he post that thing on the Facebook. 81 00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:12,016 First of all, I recognized the name right away 82 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:15,770 because Nghệ is my close friend and co-worker too. 83 00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:20,441 And I read the story, and I see the picture. 84 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:27,490 I called Nghệ right away, and I said, "Nghệ, your story come true!" 85 00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:33,120 He said, "Really? Some people are looking for me?" 86 00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:36,374 So he got very, very excited. 87 00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:43,130 "Oh, my God! People are going to know the truth very soon." 88 00:39:49,136 --> 00:39:51,180 The only thing we could do was wait. 89 00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:58,062 But about three days later, three or four days later, 90 00:39:58,145 --> 00:40:02,858 after we posted on Facebook, while I was sitting at a café, 91 00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:07,446 my phone rang, and I received a call. 92 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:11,867 I'll always remember this moment, 93 00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:14,036 and I had to ask him to repeat it twice. 94 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,248 He said, "Mr. Nghệ just called me. 95 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,876 This is Nghệ. I'm the one you're looking for." 96 00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:25,047 And after that I took off my glasses, and put my head down, 97 00:40:25,131 --> 00:40:27,383 and sobbed. 98 00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:33,264 He was only going to be in Vietnam for one more month. 99 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,269 That's why I felt I had to leave immediately to meet him. 100 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:12,553 He had been waiting for us since early morning 101 00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:15,181 when he learned we would come to visit. 102 00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:20,102 He hadn't eaten anything, just sat and waited. 103 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:33,866 So, when I saw him, a real life person 104 00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:38,496 standing in front of me, an elderly man… 105 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:42,625 it's difficult to describe how I felt at that moment. 106 00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:46,003 Which photo was yours? 107 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:52,176 The one with the naked girl whose clothes were burned. 108 00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:54,428 The one that won the Pulitzer later on? 109 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:55,721 That's the one, yes. 110 00:41:55,804 --> 00:42:01,560 Nick Út came with me on that assignment. But he didn't take that photo. 111 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:04,104 He just took some pictures from afar. 112 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:06,524 That photo was mine. 113 00:42:06,607 --> 00:42:09,109 The AP guy accepted the photo 114 00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:14,823 and gave me a print and the rest of the film. 115 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:20,788 I gave the rest to a journalist in Saigon. 116 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:23,249 Who did you sell it to? 117 00:42:23,332 --> 00:42:26,627 The boss. Then the next day I went back and 118 00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:29,630 he gave me a print -- this big -- 119 00:42:30,172 --> 00:42:34,677 and he gave me $20 and said, "I'll take this photo." 120 00:42:35,135 --> 00:42:41,267 I took the $20 and took the other guys for a drink. That's it. 121 00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:49,525 Normally when a news agency bought photos from you, 122 00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:55,030 did they credit your name when publishing them? 123 00:42:55,114 --> 00:43:00,244 No, rarely. Only on some special occasions. 124 00:43:00,327 --> 00:43:06,041 Normally after I get back from a shoot, I would just give them all the film. 125 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:10,337 They do what they do, and I wouldn't question them. 126 00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:17,636 After meeting Nghệ, I felt incredible joy. 127 00:44:35,631 --> 00:44:40,636 What happened afterwards was very strange and unbelievable. 128 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,016 I texted Mr. Nghệ to see how he was and keep in touch, 129 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:52,690 but I didn't get a reply for a whole night and the next morning. 130 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:55,859 The next day I tried to reach him again. 131 00:44:55,943 --> 00:45:01,699 I called all night and all morning, but I still didn't get a reply. 132 00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:13,961 So, the next afternoon I called again. 133 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:20,342 Mr. Nghệ's friend answered the phone 134 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:24,012 and told me he just had a stroke. 135 00:45:27,057 --> 00:45:32,771 She said he might go into a coma, and his condition was serious. Very serious. 136 00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:43,282 It made me so emotional thinking of him lying in the hospital, 137 00:45:44,241 --> 00:45:48,328 with life and death so precarious. 138 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:52,166 I remembered something he told me: 139 00:45:52,249 --> 00:45:56,879 "If I don't have any evidence, then I'm zero, 140 00:45:56,962 --> 00:46:01,258 while the other person is a hero." 141 00:47:03,737 --> 00:47:06,907 {\an8}They promoted me to Lieutenant because 142 00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:12,871 I had that certificate from the Psy-Ops Bureau. 143 00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:19,336 I worked in the film department for news gathering. 144 00:47:21,129 --> 00:47:24,925 When in 1975 did you emigrate to the U.S.? 145 00:47:26,468 --> 00:47:30,597 One month before the North arrived. 146 00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,850 Because I worked for the U.S. Embassy, 147 00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:37,271 they prioritized the people who were in charge of important jobs. 148 00:49:00,729 --> 00:49:06,693 Well, there’s a channel, I don’t know which, but they called me to go film. 149 00:49:07,194 --> 00:49:11,698 Because they said the Việt Cộng have come to Trảng Bàng already. 150 00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:14,242 They’re in a temple in Trảng Bàng. 151 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:21,416 They didn’t have a driver. So I said, “I’m a driver too.” 152 00:49:22,084 --> 00:49:24,962 Then I rented a car and I drove there. 153 00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:32,260 When I got there, I saw planes flying overhead, 154 00:49:32,886 --> 00:49:35,597 indicating that there was going to be trouble. 155 00:49:36,264 --> 00:49:39,142 I called a few guys over and said, 156 00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:41,353 “You’re going to have work to do.” 157 00:49:41,436 --> 00:49:45,691 I thought civilians were hiding there. 158 00:49:45,774 --> 00:49:48,944 Then the planes dropped two bombs. 159 00:49:49,027 --> 00:49:51,905 Since that is the main road, they have to run out that way; 160 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:55,158 there's nowhere else to run. 161 00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:57,285 I prepared everything in advance. 162 00:49:57,369 --> 00:50:04,126 I saw the photo in that moment and just took it. 163 00:50:04,209 --> 00:50:07,421 And I managed to capture that moment, 164 00:50:07,504 --> 00:50:11,091 and I knew I got the money shot. 165 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:21,268 Yes, that's the camera. It was a Pentax. 166 00:50:21,351 --> 00:50:23,020 Yes, a 50 mm lens. 167 00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:24,730 Normal. 168 00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:34,823 After I sold the photo, about 6 or 7 months later. 169 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:38,243 Someone inside AP told me, 170 00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:42,122 "Your photo went to the U.S. 171 00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:45,375 It has won awards. 172 00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:49,921 Do you want to file a complaint?" 173 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:55,969 I looked back and thought, I don’t have any proof of it. 174 00:50:56,762 --> 00:51:01,725 Let me go home and check. 175 00:51:01,808 --> 00:51:07,981 And I saw that my wife had ripped up the print the guy gave me and threw it away. 176 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:19,201 No, intentional. 177 00:51:19,701 --> 00:51:21,495 I knew it right away. 178 00:51:21,578 --> 00:51:23,205 It's my profession, I knew. 179 00:51:24,206 --> 00:51:29,753 On that day, Út was the only one who was staff for AP. 180 00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:33,465 So the AP guy credited that photo to Út. 181 00:51:38,762 --> 00:51:42,557 I've met him, but I didn't greet him, and he didn't greet me either. 182 00:51:43,683 --> 00:51:46,103 I felt upset. 183 00:51:46,186 --> 00:51:51,566 I worked hard for it, but that guy got to have it all. 184 00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:55,654 He got the recognition. He got awards. 185 00:51:55,737 --> 00:51:58,448 He was celebrated in Vietnam. 186 00:59:51,379 --> 00:59:53,423 I was in the middle holding the microphone. 187 00:59:53,506 --> 00:59:57,135 And Nguyễn Thành Nghệ was on my left side taking a picture of that girl. 188 01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:13,026 After filming, I told Mr. Nguyen Than Nghệ 189 01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:17,947 that the AP office was next to mine. 190 01:00:18,031 --> 01:00:21,409 The buyer of the film was Mr. Horst Faas. 191 01:00:21,492 --> 01:00:26,331 I don't know how to spell his name in English, but people called him Horst Faas. 192 01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:31,294 After developing the film, he cut off the one of the burned girl, 193 01:00:31,377 --> 01:00:35,048 set it aside, and said, "I'll buy this film." 194 01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:41,262 He also gave me an enlargement of the burned girl. 8 x 10 inch. 195 01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:42,907 My conscience is not at peace. 196 01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:47,203 Every time I think about it, I can't eat or sleep well. 197 01:01:47,286 --> 01:01:49,831 I'm reliving that moment from 50 years ago. 198 01:01:49,914 --> 01:01:51,165 On that day, 199 01:01:51,249 --> 01:01:55,420 the truth that I suppressed inside, 200 01:01:55,503 --> 01:01:57,338 deceiving myself, 201 01:01:57,922 --> 01:01:59,716 left me feeling unrest. 202 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:39,667 If you were a freelance military reporter 203 01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:44,797 and you went out and took pictures, 204 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:48,384 you would then submit them to AP. 205 01:04:48,467 --> 01:04:53,806 Especially those in the military, they were poor, you understand. 206 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:58,728 They just gave them the photos to earn a little money 207 01:04:58,811 --> 01:05:01,939 fame was not important. 208 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,695 This means they didn't go to AP to claim that picture 209 01:05:07,778 --> 01:05:12,491 because they thought once they were paid, that picture belonged to AP? 210 01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:17,997 Yes, that's AP's policy. 211 01:05:18,581 --> 01:05:24,879 So, there could be many pictures taken by other people, 212 01:05:26,255 --> 01:05:27,882 that happened. 213 01:05:28,507 --> 01:05:31,844 I think when it comes to Nick Út's photo, 214 01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:37,350 determining the real author is very difficult. 215 01:05:37,975 --> 01:05:41,187 Nick Út must know whether he really took it or not. 216 01:12:41,273 --> 01:12:46,278 I and another man named David Burnett from Time Magazine. 217 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:48,906 I and a Vietnamese man named Hoảng Vãn Doanh, 218 01:12:48,989 --> 01:12:51,909 a freelance reporter for AP and UPI, 219 01:12:51,992 --> 01:12:57,915 and there was another man, Nghệ, who was a driver for NBC, he was not media. 220 01:12:57,998 --> 01:13:00,209 He was driving a car with the journalists. 221 01:13:00,292 --> 01:13:02,294 He drove a friend of mine, Lê Phúc Đinh, 222 01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:05,589 a cameraman who captured the entire scene of the bombing. 223 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:24,775 The first person to run out was an old lady, 224 01:13:24,858 --> 01:13:28,278 at least 70 years old. She ran out first. 225 01:13:28,779 --> 01:13:30,614 Then the children ran out. 226 01:13:48,382 --> 01:13:53,011 I had just taken a photo. I looked through the viewfinder and 227 01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:58,517 suddenly saw girl, arms outstretched, running and ask myself, 228 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,018 "Why isn't she wearing clothes?" 229 01:14:00,686 --> 01:14:03,397 I had to run close to her and take the photo. 230 01:14:33,552 --> 01:14:37,306 It was then that Kim Phúc's uncle ran out 231 01:14:37,389 --> 01:14:42,478 and asked me if I could take the children to the hospital. 232 01:14:42,561 --> 01:14:44,688 I had a van. I opened the door. 233 01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:48,400 I carried Kim Phúc and put her on the floor of the car 234 01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:50,694 because her back was burned badly, so she couldn't lean back. 235 01:14:50,777 --> 01:14:52,446 Then three kids jumped in. 236 01:15:01,538 --> 01:15:07,169 She was burned badly we didn't know how to save her. 237 01:15:09,338 --> 01:15:13,008 There was an uncle who carried her on his back and ran. 238 01:15:13,091 --> 01:15:15,135 He took her down to Bắc Hà, Củ Chi. 239 01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:20,682 From there, a plane took her to the Children’s Hospital. 240 01:27:39,462 --> 01:27:42,465 {\an8}For 52 years Nick Út had always been believed to be 241 01:27:42,548 --> 01:27:46,261 the photographer who captured the "Napalm Girl" photo. 242 01:27:46,344 --> 01:27:48,346 However, a recent revelation has challenged 243 01:27:48,429 --> 01:27:51,182 the greatest achievement of his photography career. 244 01:27:56,688 --> 01:27:58,773 The “Napalm Girl” with questions the world will never forget. 245 01:27:58,856 --> 01:28:00,275 But is this shot really one of his? 246 01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:02,360 The story of a probable usurpation 247 01:28:02,443 --> 01:28:04,153 which will have lasted 50 years. 248 01:29:18,311 --> 01:29:21,731 Yes, that’s the camera. It was a Pentax, yes. 249 01:36:07,678 --> 01:36:13,768 When the truth is disregarded, that's when society becomes corrupted. 250 01:36:14,268 --> 01:36:21,192 The truth is the truth, it cannot be twisted, or torn apart. 251 01:36:21,901 --> 01:36:27,198 Because if so, it's no longer the truth, and we will have lost our moral compass. 252 01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:40,628 After fifty years I hope that people will no longer see 253 01:36:40,711 --> 01:36:42,546 Vietnamese children through that photo 254 01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:44,590 but through other brighter, happier images. 255 01:36:49,345 --> 01:36:55,100 My hope is that the truth will be restored to its rightful place 256 01:36:55,184 --> 01:36:58,771 and that Nick Út himself will feel a sense of relief and peace. 257 01:38:39,204 --> 01:38:43,417 I've held onto this truth for more than 50 years. 258 01:38:48,839 --> 01:38:52,551 I was the one who took the photograph. 259 01:38:53,260 --> 01:38:55,512 Now I have a voice.