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- No. (heavily breathing)
(Ava straining)
No! (screaming)
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- Three, two, one.
Welcome back, Serial Thrillers.
This week's closing statement for the "Serial Chat."
We have a very special guest joining us today
- With us is mine
and Tommy's psychology of criminal behavior professor
at the University of Pittsburgh: Lance Clemens.
(crew applauding)
- Well, thanks for having me on, Ava.
- So not only is Lance our teacher and mentor,
but he was also essential in helping us crack
that 40-year-old cold case last year.
He was so determined to bring justice
after I found damning evidence
against The Jolly Ripper.
And for that, I cannot thank you enough for believing in me
and for guiding us through the whole process.
- Ah, don't mention it.
I mean, you are the one that did all the grunt work.
- Oh, it was a team effort.
Along with Molly Babbs, our genealogist,
who came back with the strong DNA profile on The Ripper
to put the final nail in the coffin. (chuckles)
Shout out, Babbs.
- Great work as always.
- You rock, Molly! (chuckles)
- If you guys haven't listened already,
please go check out our Jolly Ripper episode.
- But seriously, though, Lance, it was just,
it was such a sense of validation
that I chose the right path for my studies
and hopefully my career.
So thank you.
- Well, I have you to think as well.
It was a callback to the old days for me.
And to watch students of mine do so passionately
what I like to think I did so well in my time,
that's extra special
- Oh.
Off that, Professor,
why don't you give the audience
a little taste of your life's work.
(keyboard clicking)
- Ah.
Uh, nearly 30 years of law enforcement all over the place.
- But it wasn't just any police work, though.
- I was in violent crimes for the FBI,
part of the manhunts
for some of the biggest serial killers
in our country's history.
- Wow. That's incredible, Lance.
Were you part of the capture teams for anyone we might know?
- I was recruited when they started investigating Gacy
in the '70s.
- Guys, this is my favorite story,
so listen up.
- We had 'em him the station ostensibly for questioning,
but really we were just stalling
to get a search warrant for his house.
And Gacy was getting antsy,
detectives were losing him.
My instincts said I needed to sit with him one-on-one.
So I asked for a few minutes alone with him.
(suspenseful music)
Just trusted my gut, always have.
You see, most people try to see the good in people,
especially criminals,
so they can connect and understand them.
But me, I've always had the gift
of seeing the bad in people.
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The moment my eyes met his,
I knew exactly who he was.
(tense music)
You wanna tell me about the blood?
(suspenseful music)
- I told you,
just like I told all the others that came in before you.
I was coming home from a party I'd done.
I was out there around 45 and Central.
I hit a deer.
I tried to save it.
It got its blood all over me.
Poor thing died in my arms.
(suspenseful music)
- Was it your father you were trying to get back at
after everything he did to you?
Is that why you took the kid?
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- You got any kids, Officer?
Any little rugrats running around?
- This isn't about me, John.
- Maybe somebody you know.
You know, little, little boys, they, they love clowns.
I do what I can to expand my business.
- Come on, John. Talk to me.
- I do it for the love, you know.
You don't even gotta pay me.
- [Lance] John. (hands slam)
- Which John would you like to speak with? Hmm?
I'm running for office soon.
So maybe you'd like to talk about my campaign.
(suspenseful music)
Maybe something at home need fixing.
We at PDM Contractors can help.
(suspenseful music)
Or maybe you're just in need of some cheering up.
Might I suggest you speak
with Pogo the Clown? (laughing)
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You know, I really gotta get goin'.
I got another birthday party to get to in a couple hours.
I gotta get this suit cleaned.
I think Tide will get the blood out.
My sister swears by it.
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- When I was done with him,
detectives had secured a search warrant for his house.
Within the hour,
we had located three bodies.
(Gacy laughing)
We nailed that motherfucker to the wall.
- That must have put your name on the map for sure.
- Ah, definitely helped me climb quickly in my career.
- And that's why you were traveling the country?
To help determine who was a cold-blooded killer
and who was just your average Joe
and caught in the wrong place at the wrong time?
- Exactly.
And most were easy to see through,
figured them out right away.
- Anyone pose a challenge to you?
- Mm.
One, the most disturbed of them all,
Dahmer.
They called him the Milwaukee Cannibal.
Now, I never saw the victims myself,
so I figured the media was just hyping him,
but then I thought back.
When we arrested him,
he had something stuck in his teeth.
Oh. A chill ran through me like I never felt.
And after him, I had to get out.
So I retired early, moved here.
And after a few years,
I got sick of all this fucked up knowledge
racking around upstairs,
so I got into teaching.
Figured I'd pass it along to you young psychopath
who are interested in this stuff.
(Brad laughs)
- How'd you end up in the chair?
- Brad, stop.
Tommy, hit pause.
- Tommy. No, wait.
I, I just figured after all of that,
there must be an interesting story there.
I mean, what happened?
Did you, did you get shot, stabbed?
- It's okay, Ava.
I don't mind.
(tense music)
- Go, go ahead, Tommy.
(tense music)
- Well, kid,
I'll have you know that this is the handy work
of probably the worst criminal of them all:
(tense music)
alcohol.
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Like I said, I didn't like what I was seeing in my head.
- Attention, ladies and gents.
Breaking news.
- What do you have?
- "After eluding custody for almost 50 years,
the serial rapist and murderer
known as the Orange Creek Carver,
who terrorized an Orange Creek Florida community
for over a decade, raping and killing 10 women,
has finally been caught."
Trial upcoming.
- Well, that's great.
I mean, what,
he has to be in, like, his, his 80s?
- Yeah. "Franklin Keller, 89, expected to plead guilty."
Yep. Pushing 90.
Wow.
- Well, I'm just glad he can finally pay for what he did
and those families can have some justice.
- What? He totally got away with it.
- What are you talking about?
- Uh, think about it.
He committed those crimes in the '60s
when he was young.
So whatever life he wanted to live,
he got to live.
(Ava laughs)
- No way.
This perverted freak's gonna die
knowing he didn't get away with it.
- No. No, he did get away with it.
Zodiac aside, who else has eluded custody for so long?
I mean, basically every serial killer gets caught
because they're lazy and dumb.
- Professor Clemens, what are your thoughts?
- I gotta nip the whole dumb and lazy business
'cause that's just not true.
Now, don't think for a second
that these guys aren't smart.
At least twice Dahmer talked his way outta getting captured
Gacy, Bundy, these guys are clever,
charismatic, patient.
Thankfully they're also human,
so when they do slip,
you better jump on it
'cause it's unlikely it'll happen again.
- I'm sorry. I gotta call BS.
I mean, leaving things like calling cards,
that's just asking to get caught.
- Like Zodiac?
Calling cards are part of the excitement.
It was ballsy, sure,
but some of them are out to prove
that they're the smartest in the room.
- Well, gripping stuff.
All this capture and elude talk
is a great way to segue into our last words.
Next week we're gonna talk about the one true serial killer
of the new millennium:
The Vindicator.
- Guys, I'm so excited about this one.
- The Vindicator, whose MO is targeting small groups.
One person is slaughtered
and the other one disappears off the face of the earth,
dissolved in a tub of acid.
- Guys, this person has killed 49 people in 49 states.
- And with the 49 states already being accounted for,
we technically know number 50 is gonna be in Arizona.
So with that being said,
I have a surprise.
- Lay it on us, Ava.
(palms pattering)
- We are going to be doing our Vindicator podcast
next week in Arizona.
- [Tommy] Whoo whoo.
- Now, of course, the,
the when and where is, is impossible to determine.
But, guys, how cool would it be to talk about it
while in the state next on the list?
- So, so cool.
- Oh, cool. - It's gonna be
a special episode where we go live to take any-...
- There is. - Fuck.
Sorry. - There is one more thing.
I'm sorry. - No, no, you're...
Yeah. (Ava laughs)
What is it?
No, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Alright. All right.
(Tommy clears throat)
So, so cool.
It's gonna be a special episode
where we go live to take any calls
or questions. - There is
one more thing, though.
- Which is?
- Okay, you guys know how much research I do, and,
and not just for the show.
- Yeah, we know.
- Well, I believe that I found a piece of evidence
that might help uncover who The Vindicator really is.
(Tommy laughs)
- What? - Mm-hmm.
- Well, what is it?
- Oh, Tommy, you're just gonna have to wait
like everyone else.
- Ah. Well, let's get to next Wednesday then.
Okay, well, drop any comments and questions
so we can talk about it next episode.
Please keep an eye on for... (laughs)
Well, let's get to next Wednesday then.
Please drop any comments
and questions so we can get to it next episode.
And keep an eye out for any updates
between now and next week's chat.
Professor Clemens,
thank you so much for coming in.
Everyone, please go check out his course
at U of P.
And as always,
- [Crew] Keep killing it.
(remote clicks)
- And we're off
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- So we're doing next week's podcast in Arizona?
- Yep.
- And you didn't feel the need to tell me?
- I just did.
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- [Brad] And you knew about this?
- Yeah.
She put me in charge of finding a place
to stay and record.
- Which is where?
- The Hendricks' house.
(Bradley chuckles)
- How are we able to pull off staying
at Todd Hendricks' house?
- They actually rent it out nowadays, so...
- Jesus.
And you just found this new evidence on The Vindicator?
- Again, yes.
- Okay. How?
Where?
- It's classified
- Just like last time.
What's with all the secrecy and surprises lately?
- It's called entertaining.
Gotta keep the listeners wanting to tune in every week.
- Yeah, I'm not talking about keeping something
from the fucking audience.
- Okay. What about you?
Why were you being such an ass to Lance?
Where'd that come from?
- Well, somebody has to play a devil's advocate
to his anti-hero facade.
No offense, man.
- He is a hero.
- It was just an approach I thought I'd try
called entertaining, you know,
keeping our listeners engaged.
Oh, sorry. I said the E word again, didn't I?
(tense music)
- Screw you.
- Oh, that would be nice, wouldn't it?
(tense music)
(Ava scoffs)
- Sorry about all that. (chuckles)
Thanks again for your help.
(tense music)
- Thanks for the interview, Lance.
Um, Tom, I'll see you in the morning with the cut. (sighs)
- Sounds good.
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- They always like that off-camera ?
- Yeah, they've gotten especially bad
over the last month or so.
- Explains Ava's recent test scores.
What happened last month?
- Something I thought would finally break them up.
- You seem upset it didn't.
- Just tired of seeing my friend hurt all the time.
That's all.
Hey, thank you, Professor.
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- Sure. (Tommy sighs)
Oh, good luck in Arizona.
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- Refresh, Tommy.
- Uh-huh.
All right. After two hours, we have 10,000 views.
About a 1/5 of that in comments,
most look good.
Uh, they love Lance.
They wanna hear more of his stories on the force.
(Brad chuckles)
- I'll admit it.
Bringing him on was a good call on your guys' part.
- Told you.
Are there any good questions
or topics we can discuss for next week?
- A bunch of Arizona fans wanna know
if they can come see the show.
- Yeah, no.
You know we can't tell him where we're gonna be.
- I'm, I'm just glad she likes the show.
- Oh, the guy who runs the Hendricks home
finally got back to me.
- We're really gonna stay there?
I mean, didn't the fucking guy die there?
- Yeah. They found his body in his bed.
(both laughing)
- Fucking hell.
- Well, who's the guy, Tommy?
- Steve Hendricks.
Todd Hendricks' kid.
He owns the place.
- Can you email him back
and get some details before we get there?
- Yeah. - Thanks.
- And, uh,
how are we paying for all this?
- [Ava] Patreon bank.
- Right. Cool.
- Holy shit.
We're gonna be in The Vindicator's last known state.
I mean, it's gonna be wild.
- [Ava] Yeah. (chuckles)
- Come on, Brad, you know you're stoked.
- Come on.
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(all laughing)
- All right. All right.
But you're staying in the dead guy's bed, though.
- Fuck that.
- [Ava] Oh.
- Look, I'm so jealous.
If I did not have so much work-
- I know you'd be there with us if you could, Molly.
You guys ready to head to the airport?
- All set. - Yeah.
- [Brad] Thanks for driving, Babbs.
- Don't mention it.
This is gonna be the best episode yet.
(car engine revving)
(sweeping music)
- [Ava] It's time for an update.
- Really? Right now?
- [Ava] Just do it for the show.
- Fine.
(light music)
- Hey, all you Serial thrillers.
Your true... (blows raspberries)
And I'm blocking you.
Hey, all you Serial Thrillers.
Your favorite true crime couple, Ava and Brad, here
- Ayo. What's up?
- So we made it to Arizona
and we're about to get to base camp
and set up for our episode tomorrow.
- This one's gonna be special.
Hope y'all enjoy watching.
- So we have to sign off,
but we'll be live at the crime scene tomorrow.
Love ya.
And as always-
- [Both] Keep killin' it!
(Ava laughs)
(light music)
- Was that so hard?
- [Brad] I mean, I'm driving.
(light music)
Can we start again?
(light music)
- Whoa. (chuckles)
So this is the place, huh?
(car door slams)
- Guys, it's one thing to see it in photos,
but to see it in person, I..
(Tommy laughing)
Wonderful!
- It's like walking on holy ground.
- And speaking of,
how many bodies do you think are buried here?
- Oh, police never found bodies here.
- There's a first for everything.
(Tommy chuckles)
- That'd be so cool.
- Geez.
- [Steve] Oh, hey there, folks.
How's it going?
It's really great to meet you.
I'm Steve Hendricks.
- Yep. Tommy.
- Bradley. - Oh, no need
to introduce yourself.
Uh, I know who you are.
Fellow Serial Thriller right here.
- [Tommy] Nice.
- That's so nice.
Well, thanks for your support-
- Oh. - And for, I mean,
letting us stay and do our show here.
This is amazing.
- Yeah, of course. Don't mention it.
Uh, but I do have a really big favor to ask.
Would you mind shouting out my company on your show?
- Oh. For sure, man.
How long have you owned the business?
- About three years.
Uh, Dad started it once he left the force.
And once he left the company,
I just sort of took over the reins.
- Nice.
- So, you want a tour?
- Yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool.
See what room
is best for recording. - Right this way.
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All right, we've got three bedrooms, living room,
dining room,
kitchen at the end of the hall.
But it's spotty cell service.
But we do have wifi and landline.
If you need anything,
my phone number is on the fridge.
- Wait, so we can stay in the same room
where they found your dad?
- Yes, ma'am.
But it's a different bed now and it's clean.
Well, cleaner.
- [Brad] I'd hope so.
- [Tommy] So, uh, you don't live here?
- [Steve] Ah, no. I've got a place just up the street.
Too many memories here, mostly bad ones.
(suspenseful music)
(door clicking)
(suspenseful music)
(dramatic music)
- [Ava] So were you and your dad close?
- Yes, very much,
up until everything went south
and people chased him outta town.
I think he came back here to, uh,
I think he wanted to be home when he left the world.
- Well, it's a, it's a beautiful place.
- Yeah, thanks.
But, uh, a lot of kids,
young punks would come around
and vandalize the place,
then I fixed her up.
- So what'd you do as kids out here?
- Ah, nothing much.
Nothing too exciting.
We just, uh,
when we weren't playing ball,
probably hanging around the ranch
or causing trouble in the barn.
- Barn?
- Man, I can't believe I've got the Serial Thrillers
at my place.
That's so cool.
(calm music)
But anyway, here's the barn.
A lot of good memories with friends here.
(ghostly music)
- Would this work Tommy?
- Uh, maybe.
- Maybe the shop will be better for what you're looking for.
- Okay.
- Let's go check it out.
(door whirring)
(ghostly music)
- Yeah, this should work.
(ghostly music fades)
(Tommy laughing)
(door whirring)
(tense music)
- You got it?
Hey, thanks for all your help, Steve.
We really appreciate it.
- Ah, don't mention it.
It's the least I could do.
And I'm just up the street
And, uh, if you need anything,
feel free to gimme a call.
- Well, I mean,
since you're such a big fan of the show, and, I mean,
Todd was your dad,
can we do an interview with you?
- Uh, you're kidding.
Uh, yeah, no, that'd be,
that'd be amazing.
Yes.
- All right, well, cool.
We're gonna start recording tomorrow night around 9:00.
If you could be here by like 10:00, 10:30.
I don't if that's too late.
- Ah, well, wouldn't be the first or last late night for me.
(group laughing)
- Hell yeah, man.
Looking forward to talking more with you.
- Hey, right back at ya.
Oh, uh, if I may say.
Be sure to get a good look at the stars tonight.
Nothing better than a clear night sky out here.
Catch you later.
- See ya. - Drive safe.
Let's go, boys. (laughs)
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(ominous music)
(suspenseful music)
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(ghostly music)
(ghostly music continues)
(Tommy screams)
(door knocks)
(Tommy clears throat)
- Yeah, yeah. Come in.
(door creaks)
Hey. What's up?
- Everything okay?
I thought I heard a scream.
- Uh, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm, I'm good.
I just, uh, hit my head.
- Oh.
How you feeling about tomorrow's episode?
- Good. I love being here.
- Yeah. Well, even sleeping in Todd's room.
(both laugh)
- Yeah, I'm gonna have nightmares for a while after this,
but, uh,
that's okay for now.
Are you okay?
- Yeah. I, I'm so excited for tomorrow night. (chuckles)
- [Tommy] I mean with Brad.
You're not sleeping in the same room.
- Yeah, there's a draft in there.
(poignant music)
- Um,
I've been thinking about your solo show,
if you want to...
- No, I think we should just focus on tomorrow.
That'll come later.
- Okay.
(poignant music)
- Good night, though.
- Good night.
(poignant music)
(Tommy sighs)
- [Tommy] Ava, go ahead.
- [Ava] Testing. Testing.
- All right. Good.
Brad.
- Roger. Roger.
- All right, we're all set.
Connection is good.
- Where is it?
(files rustling)
Gimme a second. I gotta take this.
Hey.
(insects chirping) (birds squawking)
- Welcome back, Serial Thrillers.
Ava, Bradley, and myself, Tommy,
are back at you with another episode of "Serial Chat."
- What's up, killers?
It's been long overdue,
but we're finally doing our first ever live show.
- That's right, Brad.
- And to be in Arizona while recording it, guys,
we cannot tell you how excited we are.
- Let's jump right into it, shall we?
With the most infamous serial killer of all time:
The Vindicator.
- Ooh. (Ava laughs)
- Some, like me, say it's the work of one person.
Others say it's a network of maniacs in a cult.
One thing we can all agree on,
the style killing is incredibly unique
and specific to the victims.
- True.
- These slayings, originally attributed to Vindicator,
go all the way back to 1994
to the quiet rural town of Jericho, Vermont.
(suspenseful music)
- [Ava] On the night of April 11th,
a gruesome discovery was uncovered
at the home of Joleen and Bob Stuggurt
by one of their friend Sara Lambert.
Now, she hadn't heard from them in a while,
and when she pulled up to their driveway-
- [Brad] She saw the open doorway
with a bloodied arrow in the entry.
- [Ava] She crept inside,
and what she saw would haunt her for fucking ever.
- Jo?
(eerie music)
Jo?
(eerie music)
Jo?
(eerie music)
(switch clicks)
(unsettling music)
(Sarah screaming)
Oh my god! (screaming)
Oh my god, Jo. (crying)
(unsettling music)
Oh my god.
(tense music)
(Sarah crying)
Oh, Jo.
No.
No, no, no, no.
No.
- Sarah, please help me.
(unsettling music) (flesh squelching)
(Joleen screaming)
Jo.
Jo, Jo.
Jo.
(unsettling music)
(Sarah whimpering)
Jo. Jo.
Jo, please wake up.
Please.
- Now, little did they know this was the start
to 30 years of pure evil
that would sweep across the country.
- Why 17 arrows?
- Oh, because of the piece of paper (indistinct)
in Joleen's chest.
What the hell?
- What just happened, Tommy?
- Uh, we must have lost power.
I don't know.
- Are we still live?
- We're still recording, but no, we're not live,
not with without wifi.
- [Brad] Fuck.
- It's from Steve.
Uh, "I'm doing some work at the house.
Power should be right back."
- Oh. - Okay.
- Do we have wifi now?
- Yeah. Yeah. - Good to, good to go?
- Yep. All right, Serial Thrillers, we are back.
Sorry about that.
Had a thrill of our own.
Ava, as you were saying.
- Right.
So on the paper were 70 names that,
upon further investigation,
revealed to be all the men
Joleen had been having affairs with.
- Now, people thought Tiger got around.
- No one knew about Joleen until the list was released.
- And there was the signature at the bottom,
which read, "The Vindicator."
- Now, I'm gonna be honest.
I had no idea what vindicator even meant
until we started doing research on these cases.
- And I mean, there are so many definitions
of the word vindicate,
but I think the best definition
summing up why they chose the name Vindicator is this:
So vindicate means to show
or prove to be right, reasonable, or justified.
And it's that last word that makes everything click for me.
- So they were justifying why they would kill.
- Yep.
- Turns out these victims had some dirty-ass laundry
that needed to be aired.
- [Ava] Mm-hmm.
- Okay, so we have a murdered Joleen
and a list of men she's been with.
Begs the question:
Where's the husband Bob.
- Well, that's the million-dollar mystery.
Okay, to this day, Bob hasn't been found
- Wicked.
Just poof, gone from the face of the fucking Earth.
- Mm-hmm. (Brad laughs)
Now, originally police thought it was uxoricide, you know,
Bob found out about the men
and then killed Joleen.
- Now, Bob's fingerprints were found on the arrows,
but his bank accounts haven't been used since.
- And it's taken over 12 deaths and nearly a decade
until people started connecting it
to possibly the same killer.
- Well, not till the murder and disappearance
of Nancy and Link Kissburn in Woodstock, Illinois, in '99.
So Link's body was found
with a paper listing his secret wrongdoings
and a familiar bloodied signature was found at the bottom.
And we have our first bit of evidence, guys: a fingerprint.
Enter Todd Hendrick.
- No, there's no way he's The Vindicator.
- Come on, okay?
Then explain how his DNA was found there
and at the 2001 Okeson case in Pennsylvania.
- Allegedly.
He had reason to be there.
That's why they let him go.
- Oh, he was on the police force, Bradley, okay?
They covered his guilty ass. Duh.
Come on, Tommy.
- Okay.
Either way, either way,
Todd's reputation as an officer
has been tainted forever, okay?
Dude had to duck out to a childhood home,
his childhood home,
to escape from bad press
and people thinking he was The Vindicator
- Fucker slit his own throat '02,
Last I checked, the Vindicator killings haven't stopped.
So copycats
or they got the wrong guy.
- Or maybe Todd Hendricks never died.
(suspenseful music)
- What do you got?
You're making that cute, smart face.
- Okay, look, guys.
Earlier tonight, I got an update,
and it's a bombshell that's gonna blow The Vindi-
- What the fuck?
Doesn't he know we're recording in here?
- Wait. Hang on.
(static buzzing)
- What?
- I hear something.
(static buzzing) (tense music)
- Is that static?
(static buzzing) (tense music)
- [The Vindicator] Come in, Serial Thrillers.
(ominous music)
Over here, darlings.
Warmer.
(unsettling music)
Oh, you're heating up.
(unsettling music)
I'm right here, Tommy.
(unsettling music)
Hello, Serial Thrillers.
What?
Shy all of a sudden?
- Who the fuck is this?
- [The Vindicator] I'll give you a hint.
Vermont, Kansas, Ohio,
New York, Florida,
- The Vindicator.
- [The Vindicator] Well done, Ava.
Very well done.
- No, there's no way.
- What if it is?
- Prove it's really you
- [The Vindicator] All in good time?
I have a challenge for you true crime fighters,
one where the risk does merit the reward.
- What's that?
- [The Vindicator] My identity.
(tense music)
- And if we don't accept,
I'm assuming we can't just leave here.
- [The Vindicator] If you choose to walk away,
then walk away.
Just know there are consequences for your actions.
(suspenseful music)
- Why are you doing this?
- [The Vindicator] I couldn't let you spoil things
before my grand finale.
What will it be, Serial Thrillers?
(tense music)
- We accept.
- Good. - Whoa, whoa.
What?
- You just get to decide for us, like usual?
- Guys, this is our chance to identify The Vindicator.
Look, we've done it before. We can do it again.
(Brad scoffs)
- [The Vindicator] Leave your phones and go to the barn.
This radio is the only form of communication needed.
(suspenseful music)
- The door's locked.
- [The Vindicator] Try again.
(eerie music)
(Ava exclaims)
- [Ava] Guys, guys, stop.
(eerie music)
(torch banging)
- Fuck this.
(frantic music)
(Tommy sharply exhales)
Fuck.
(tense music)
- Where's Tommy?
- Guys! (door banging)
- Fuck me. - Guys, open up, please.
- Where'd you go?
- We're stuck here.
- Yeah. No shit.
- No, the car.
The tires are flat.
- Your selfish ass was trying to leave us?
What the hell's wrong
with you, man? - Guys!
Stop.
- [Tommy] Fuck.
(suspenseful music)
(Tommy heavily breathing)
(ominous music)
(metal clanging)
(Brad heavily breathing)
(door rattling) (Brad straining)
(dramatic music)
- [Brad] We're locked in.
- Oh god. He really is here.
No, no, no, no, no.
- Just calm down, Tom.
Wait. - No.
(frantic music)
(Tommy heavily breathing)
There's no way out.
- [The Vindicator] Welcome, Serial Chatters.
- It's starting
- Now that we're all settled in,
it's time to begin on.
On the chairs are a little fashion accessory.
Take one and clamp it around your wrist.
- No, no, no.
I don't like this.
- It's okay, Tommy.
Guys, we're in this together.
Just go.
Guys, I'm serious.
(Tommy heavily breathing)
- [The Vindicator] Very good.
Pick a number between 3 and 10.
- Seven.
(suspenseful music)
- [The Vindicator] Here's how this works:
I ask a question, you answer.
You get it right,
you'll be rewarded with a piece of the puzzle
you're looking to solve: me.
You lie or get it wrong,
there's be consequences.
Between you three,
you'll have one lifeline
which you can use at any time.
This allows you to opt out of your punishments; however,
it comes at a very steep price.
(suspenseful music)
Your fearless leader, Bradley, chose the number seven.
- Fuck off, Regis Philbin.
- [The Vindicator] There will be seven questions,
seven opportunities to piece together my identity
and save the day.
You get one guess as to who I am.
You can do so whenever.
Spend it wisely.
But it must be used after the final question,
if you make it that far.
And remember, I know if you're lying.
Time to repent.
(suspenseful music)
- Let's do it.
- [The Vindicator] Good. First question goes to Tommy.
- [Tommy] Oh, goddamn it.
- [The Vindicator] What is your full name?
(Tommy shakily breathing)
- Uh, Thomas Anderson Kincaid.
(The Vindicator laughing)
- [The Vindicator] That is correct.
- The condescending fucker is just playing with us.
- Okay, we got through the first one.
We get a clue now
- [The Vindicator] What do Michael Myers,
the killer in "Scream,"
and Jason have in common?
Question two, we come over to Brad.
When is your birthday?
- Oh. Uh, let me think.
- May 10th.
- [The Vindicator] I'm sorry, but that is incorrect.
- Shame.
- Dude, what the hell are you doing?
- Oh, come on, bro.
What's it gonna do?
- [The Vindicator] You're insecure
about losing the woman you love
so your punishment is to do nothing,
nothing but watch as your beloved kisses another man.
- What the fuck?
- [The Vindicator] You've been together for five years.
So a kiss, one second for each lovely year you've shared.
- Is this what you're getting after?
Porn not doing it for you anymore?
No. fuck this, Ava.
You're not doing that.
Let's go.
(suspenseful music)
(all groaning)
- Damn it, Bradley.
Please.
(groaning drowns out Ava)
(group groaning) (tense music)
- Okay! Okay!
(Ava heavily breathing)
(suspenseful music)
- [Ava] I am gonna do it.
- Doesn't mean I have to watch.
- [The Vindicator] Oh, you will watch.
The timer won't start until you do.
(suspenseful music)
(Brad sighs)
- Are you sure you wanna do this?
(suspenseful music)
- Yeah, we have to.
(suspenseful music)
- [The Vindicator] One.
Two.
- Fucking hell.
- [The Vindicator] Three.
Four.
Four and a half.
- Five.
- Goddamn it.
Five. Fuck!
- [The Vindicator] Five.
- Are you fucking degenerate?
Face me like a man, coward.
Come on! Come on!
(guns fires) (crew gasps)
(Bradley heavily breathing)
- He's got a fucking gun.
- You think?
- Fuck. (heavily breathing)
Well, he's probably the only person
who can get turned on by watching you two make out.
- Nice, Brad.
- What? You're defending him now?
- No one's defending anyone.
We just gotta stick together on this.
- I'm no one's cuck.
- This isn't just about you.
- Ah.
- [The Vindicator] Dearest, Ava.
A kleptomaniac is defined
as someone who can't resist the urge
to take what's not theirs.
- He fucking knows.
- [The Vindicator] Those who choose wrong continue to do so
when they know they've gotten away with it before.
- Said the kettle.
- [The Vindicator] I ask you, Ava,
what was the gateway crime
that started the life of sticky fingers?
- When I was 13,
me and my friends stole some lingerie and got caught.
I did my community service, though.
- Well, clearly that didn't stop you.
Good to know your criminal behavior
started before you met me.
I thought I was the bad influence
- [The Vindicator] Though she is telling the truth,
her addiction has risen to new heights,
ones that now hold people's lives at stake.
- Jesus. That's us.
- It's not my fault we're here.
- You do know how to piss people off.
- I study and hunt criminals.
Guys, if they don't have it out for me,
I'm not doing my job correctly.
- You're using doing your job correctly
pretty loosely there.
(Tommy sighs)
- Whatever.
Just give us the next piece, asshole.
- [The Vindicator] You'll find the next clue
hidden away by the bale of hay
in the back of the barn.
- Wait. I'll go with you.
Somebody has to watch your hands there, klepto baby.
This is ridiculous.
We're just supposed to roll over for this guy?
- Look, there's a way to win,
but you're not helping.
(poignant music)
- I'll go look.
(poignant music)
I love you, Ava.
And you're right.
We are gonna get through this.
(Brad chuckles)
Kinda tastes like Tommy.
- Oh! (indistinct)
(static buzzing)
(eerie music)
- Motherfucker.
(static buzzing)
- Guys.
- If he put that envelope here,
he's probably got shit all over the place.
Fuck his game.
Let's just find whatever else is here.
- [Tommy] Guys!
- What?
- I think he's ready for us.
- We can't stop.
He'll know
- What's in the envelope.
Why does that look so familiar?
- What do you mean familiar?
- It's 'cause this is the photo
from Todd Hendricks' suicide scene
that was released from the public.
- Why is his face all blurred out?
- Because of what he did to it?
- [The Vindicator] Time for round two.
- Tommy, it's often said it's what's on the inside
that counts.
You've managed to proudly embody that.
However, there's always more to a person's story.
Disrobe and show us the outside matters too.
(suspenseful music)
(tense music)
- Holy shit.
(mysterious music)
- [The Vindicator] Do tell us the tale of these marks.
(mysterious music)
- I was in a car accident when I was a kid.
I'm lucky to be here.
- [The Vindicator] Mm, that's very hard to hear.
Unfortunately, it's not the truth, i it, Tommy?
- Oh god. Please don't.
(dramatic music)
Please don't, don't.
- [The Vindicator] The truth must be revealed.
- I'm begging you.
Please don't.
- [The Vindicator] Brad, the overturned bucket behind you,
bring over what's underneath.
- No.
No, no, no, no, no. Please do-
Please, I...
They can't know.
Please
(suspenseful music)
- [The Vindicator] Open the book to the page
where the knife is.
- Brad, don't, don't.
Don't, man. Please
- [The Vindicator] Read it.
(tense music)
- What is this, Tommy?
- [Ava] What is it? What's it say?
(tense music)
- Tommy, what the fuck is this?
- [The Vindicator] Enlighten us on what it says.
(tense music fades)
- "I'm so sorry, Ava.
Sorry for your dipshit of a boyfriend
who hurt your heart again.
I would never do that to you.
I wish you'd let me love you.
It pains me to keep quiet.
And I know you don't know this,
but the pain you put me through feels good.
I want to be abused.
I want you to abuse me.
If you were to cut deep into my flesh
instead of doing it myself, I, I'd..."
- [The Vindicator] Keep going.
- "I'd give you the best pleasure you could ever know,
something I'm sure he's never done for you.
I deal with the misery you cause me
because at least you're in my life.
And I know you don't understand and that's okay.
Every time I see your beautiful face,
it brings me joy and pain.
Tonight, I'm adding another mark to my body.
The abuse I give myself represents my love for you."
What the hell did I ever do to you?
- It's what you do to her!
Ava, I'm so sorry.
- You fantasize about my girlfriend
fucking stabbing you, you psycho?
- Hey, guys, just, just stop, okay?
Just...
- I mean, who are you, man?
Is this what you think about when you're around us?
Answer me!
- Fuck you!
Fuck you!
You don't get to stand there judging me
after everything you've done.
Why don't you try caring about other people for once?
- [Brad] Or what?
You're gonna slit my wrists while you beat off?
- Fuck you.
- Guys. Guys, I'm begging you, please.
- [The Vindicator] It's time for the punishment.
- That wasn't enough punishment for you already?
(suspenseful music)
- [The Vindicator] Bradley, give Ava the knife.
What you wanted most, Tommy,
was for Ava to accept you for who you really are.
Now, Ava, as Tommy has wished,
take the knife and cut him.
- No. No, don't make her do that.
Please.
Don't.
Ava, you don't have to do it.
You don't have to do it.
(suspenseful music)
- I'm sorry, Tom.
(suspenseful music)
- No, I'm sorry.
It's my fault.
- I'm really sorry.
- Me too.
- Uh...
- Here. It won't be as bad.
(tense music)
(Tommy groaning)
(Ava sniffling)
(Tony gasping)
(Ava groans)
(eerie music)
- Are you fucking serious, Tom?
Everyone's a goddamn deviant, huh?
- [The Vindicator] Well, well, well.
Would you look at that.
We're all starting to grow.
You are up, Bradley.
In life, we have traits that represent us.
Some we're born with and have no control over.
Others, we have the choice to let it define us or not.
Your vice of alcohol has hurt many people.
When was the last time you hurt someone with it?
- I gave that part of myself up a long time ago.
- [The Vindicator] Oh, yeah?
How long?
- Four years sober.
A fact I'm proud of.
- [The Vindicator] That's impressive.
I'm sure it was very difficult to break that streak.
- No.
No, come on. That's bullshit.
I'm not that same person anymore.
- You swore to me you wouldn't relapse.
When did this happen?
- One night doesn't erase four years.
- [The Vindicator] Another trait you so proudly boast
is that you'd never lay your hands on a woman; however,
your drunken mind feels different.
- What did you do, Bradley?
- [The Vindicator] On the night of his setback,
a text message exchange from Bradley to Tommy
reveals Brad's true failings.
(unsettling music)
- Just keep your mouth shut.
Ava, no.
It's, it's all bullshit.
- [The Vindicator] Brad: "I'm so ticked right now.
How could she do this?"
Tommy: "Where are you?"
Brad: "Still mill."
Tommy: "Are you drinking?"
Brad: "That's not the point.
Sometimes I just wanna fucking strangle her."
- I'm gonna fucking kill you!
- [The Vindicator] Well, Bradley,
here's your chance to live out your fantasy
just like Tommy did before.
- Don't you lay a hand on her.
- Shut up, freak.
- [The Vindicator] Strangle the woman who rejected you,
the woman who told you
she doesn't wanna spend the rest of her life with you,
just as you wanted,
until I say stop.
(tense music)
- Why did you say no?
I loved you so much
and I was ready to make the ultimate commitment.
- God. Now is not the time, Bradley?
- Oh. Oh, I'm sorry.
When would be a better time for you?
After one of us is fucking dead?
- [The Vindicator] You have 20 seconds to decide.
- How could you drink again?
- Yeah, okay.
It's my fault.
I was sober for four years on for us.
- Come on. I wanted to be great at my passions first.
(unsettling music)
Look, I'm sorry I hurt you.
(unsettling music)
- Hurt me?
You, you didn't hurt me, Ava.
(unsettling music)
You broke my fucking heart.
(Ava groaning)
(Brad grunts)
What? Isn't this what you masochists like?
- Goddamn it, Bradley.
Get your hands off of her.
(Brad straining)
(Ava gasping)
(Ava coughing)
- [The Vindicator] I didn't say stop.
(ghostly music) (Bradley heavily breathing)
- I'm putting an end to all this.
I'm calling in a lifeline
- [The Vindicator] As you wish.
But just remember,
the lifeline comes with a punishment of its own.
Behind Ava lies a silver toolbox.
Go get it, Tommy.
(ominous music)
Open the box.
Inside are tools.
- Clearly.
- [The Vindicator] Tools of which you, Tommy,
have desired to use forcefully against Bradley
over the years.
Choose your instrument
and punish Bradley with what the tool represents.
The garden shears.
(eerie music)
No?
Hmm. I was really looking forward to that.
(eerie music)
The serrated knife.
Excellent decision.
(eerie music)
Ah, very interesting.
I guess we'll keep looking.
What will he choose?
The tire iron.
- Jesus, man.
Now you wanna bring me into one of your sex crazes?
- [The Vindicator] What's the story?
(eerie music)
- Last summer, we went on a road trip.
Ava popped your tire by accident
and you were gonna make her change it.
- It was her fault.
- It was 115 degrees out, you dick.
- [Brad] She didn't change it, though, did she?
- No! I did.
- And the whole time I changed your tire,
I watched you yell at her.
I wanted to bash your fucking face in.
- [Brad] Fine.
I'll take it like a man.
But I swear to God, if you get a fucking-
(blow thuds)
(Brad groaning)
(suspenseful music)
(The Vindicator laughing)
- [The Vindicator] Only two questions left.
This one's for Ava.
You've gotten away
with how you obtained the evidence for the Jolly Ripper,
not that he deserves freedom,
but now you claim to have proof
to bring down another giant: me.
My question is:
How far did you go this time?
(suspenseful music)
- On a class trip to the Scranton Police Department,
during the tour,
I snuck into the evidence room,
found the files and took 'em.
Okay, guys. But what me and Molly found is irrefutable.
- Because that's what fucking matters?
What the hell, Ava?
- Ava.
Ava, do you have any idea what this can do to our rep?
- No, she doesn't care who goes down
as long as she gets to win.
- That's not true, okay?
I bring you guys everywhere with me.
- Oh, bring us with where?
You didn't wanna bring me further into your life.
You did all the interviews with The Ripper after.
We're only here to make you look good.
You look pretty pathetic right now.
You only have yourself to blame.
(suspenseful music)
- [The Vindicator] Your next clue
can be found in the wash area.
You'll see how you framed your work.
(suspenseful music)
- You are not gonna come make sure
I don't mess with anything?
- I really don't give a shit what you do.
(suspenseful music)
- Guys! Guys.
Guys, guys, you won't believe it.
Look at this. Look. Look, look.
- What is it? - It's a picture
of Todd Hendricks and Steve.
- Yeah, it's Todd's kid.
- No, you don't understand.
Okay, okay,
I found this last night and I, I took it to my room.
This is what I was looking for
when we were setting up.
(unsettling music)
You were in my fucking bedroom last night?
- [The Vindicator] It's time for the last question.
- Way to dodge that, you psycho.
- [The Vindicator] It's only fitting we end with Bradley.
June 3rd, the night you indulged in alcohol
after four years,
that wasn't your only form of relapse, was it?
- You know what? No, it wasn't.
All right?
I'm done getting my face bashed in.
There's your truth.
(suspenseful music)
- What do you mean?
Tommy, do you know?
(suspenseful music)
- You turned down my proposal. Don't forget that.
- Tell me what happened now!
- I slept with Molly again, okay?
(suspenseful music)
- The fuck did you just say?
- Look, after you said no, I was pissed off.
And I went to The Mill and I had a few,
and I called her and she,
she listened to me vent.
And...
(suspenseful music)
- And what, Bradley?
(suspenseful music)
- Come on, Ava.
Don't make me say it again.
(suspenseful music)
- You, you called me that night.
And I came by and we agreed to still make us work,
and then we...
(suspenseful music)
- I was with her about an hour before you came over,
- You son of a bitch!
In the same fucking bed!
What the fuck's wrong with you?
How could you do that to me?
I'm glad I said no!
Now I know what life with you would be like.
You're too weak to be in my life.
- [Bradley] Fuck.
- [The Vindicator] Oh, we're not done yet.
- Fuck you, man, and your games.
Just finish this.
- [The Vindicator] The last piece you get.
Take a closer look at Cave Creek for me.
Since you've made it through without venturing a guess,
you have two minutes starting now.
- Fuck. Okay.
Um, fir- first clue.
- [Brad] Who?
The three horror guys, what do they have in common?
- [Tommy] They're killers.
They wear costumes, masks.
- Masks. Masks.
Remember the photo. Hi- his face was covered.
Fuck.
What if Todd Hendricks wear a mask, like a new face?
- [Tommy] Wait. What?
- Okay, listen. Molly ran the D-
the DNA I found.
- Stole. - Fucking listen to me!
Okay, it was Todd's DNA the cops had in the Okeson case.
Okay, she did her genealogy bullshit and,
and the results traced to a now 16-year-old girl
whose biological dad is Todd Hendricks.
- [The Vindicator] 70 seconds.
- [Tommy] Wait, wait. 16?
- Yeah. That means she was born after Todd supposedly died.
- Holy shit. - Yeah.
- [The Vindicator] You brought us to Todd's house
believing he was still alive?
What the hell, Ava?
- No, okay?
That bitch called right before we started the show, okay?
And besides, no one knew we were here.
- 37 seconds. - Hold on.
- [Tommy] He mentioned looking into Steve's company.
- 15. - Fuck.
The brochure, the brochure.
Uh - Oh, shit.
- [The Vindicator] 10.
Five.
- [Tommy] Steve knew we were gonna be here.
- [The Vindicator] Time's up.
- Oh, fuck.
- [The Vindicator] I need your answer.
- Let's just say this mass theory is right.
Todd could be anyone.
- 'Cause he could still be alive.
- Wha- what if they're working together?
What if he took over for him?
I mean, it's son, for fuck's sake.
- [The Vindicator] I'll give you to three.
Three.
- My money's on Steve took over.
- [The Vindicator] Just kidding. One.
- I think Brad is right.
- [The Vindicator] Two.
- Todd Hendricks.
You're Todd fucking Hendricks.
- [The Vindicator] You are incorrect.
- What?
(tense music)
(Ava exhales)
- I told you it was Steve.
- [The Vindicator] Final punishment.
In one minute, one of you must be dead.
It's up to you to choose who.
But if the minute expires
and you're all still standing,
then you all die.
Your time begins now.
(dramatic music)
- I vote Tommy.
- Wait, wait. What?
- I think you had something to do with all this.
- Bradley, stop, okay?
- We gotta think.
- Tick tock. - I am.
It all points back to him.
- [The Vindicator] 30 seconds.
- I had nothing to do with this, Brad, okay?
Ava, tell him.
- Bradley.
(dramatic music)
- You've been talking with Steve this whole entire time.
Why didn't you get any real punishments?
I got the shit kicked out of me
and you're some perverted lunatic who likes pain.
Maybe this is all part of your fucking journal.
(frantic music)
- Look, look.
I'm sorry (indistinct), okay?
But I had nothing to do with this!
- [The Vindicator] 15 seconds.
- I can't take any chances.
- [Ava] Bradley!
(frantic music)
(punches thudding) (Brad straining)
(Brad groaning) (ghostly music)
(Ava grunting) (Brad groaning)
(tense music) (Brad gasping)
- Ava.
(chains rattling)
Ava. Ava, we gotta go right now.
He's gonna come for us.
(thrilling music)
(suspenseful music)
(frantic music)
(ominous music)
Ava.
(ominous music)
Fuck.
Fuck. (shakily breathing)
Ava!
(ominous music)
(Tommy groans) (tense music)
(Ava groaning)
(Ava heavily breathing)
(Ava screams)
(Ava whimpering)
(The Vindicator whistling) (ominous music)
- [The Vindicator] When I was a kid,
I asked my mom why my dad kept hurting her.
She said some people got good in them.
I always saw bad in them.
(ominous music)
Then my dog started acting up a few months later,
so I looked inside him.
Found a tumor in his stomach,
figured that was the bad thing my mom was talking about.
Then I found a ruptured muscle in my dad's brain,
attributed that to why he killed my mom.
- Son of a bitch.
- [The Vindicator] I see nothing but good in you
since the day you stepped forward in my classroom.
(ominous music)
Wish I could say the same for your boyfriend over there.
He didn't really try to hide the bad in him, though.
He asked you to have marry him,
you said said no.
His response to that was to fuck your friend.
Real eye for an eye reaction. (laughs)
Ah, then we got this spooky perv.
Wake up, sleeping beauty.
(tense music)
Ah.
There he is. - What the fuck?
What the fuck?
- You, my friend, were inspiring.
You left your heart out on the floor tonight,
but for what?
A girl that you can never have. (tuts)
So misguided.
(Tommy groans)
- Wait, wait.
Wait, wait.
Wait, wait, wait. (screaming)
(tense music)
(Ava straining)
(eerie music)
(Ava screaming)
(Ava heavily breathing)
(eerie music)
- Ava Cole, A-plus student.
Really thought you had it figured out,
but just like the Jolly Ripper case,
it was all built on lies.
You've studied me for a long time
so you know one of you
has gotta disappear in that bath.
And since you're the one with blood on your hands, well,
I guess that means it's gotta be you.
- No, no, please. (thrilling music)
No, no, no.
Please, please. No.
No. (straining)
No, no, no!
Stop! No, please.
No, no, no.
Stop. No, no!
No! No!
No! No! (screaming)
(Ava screaming) (thrilling music continues)
(Ava heavily breathing)
(Ava screaming)
(thrilling music) (Ava heavily breathing)
No.
(Ava screaming)
No! (screaming)
(Ava heavily breathing)
You lied.
- [Lance] About what?
- You said you'd tell us if we guess right.
Todd Hendricks is The Vindicator
and you are Todd Hendricks.
- [Lance] Todd Hendricks died, remember?
October 18th, 2002.
He got sloppy, lazy.
I wasn't about to let my masterpiece go unfinished,
especially so early.
- I figured it out. I'm gonna put you away.
- [Todd] Oh, we both know
how you got whatever evidence you have,
which is a shame.
You would have made a fine detective.
Had I known beforehand
that you stole the piece that put Ripper away,
I would have never let you go through with it.
It's against the book.
- Against the book.
You're a psychotic serial killer.
(Ava gasping)
- [Lance] I don't use anything to my advantage
that the other team can't have access to.
It's a true testament
to being the smartest in the ring.
I don't cheat the game.
- People's lives are a game.
(Ava heavily breathing)
- [Lance] Yours was just part of one.
It still is.
(tense music)
(Ava strains) Ah, fuck.
(Lance groans)
(thrilling music)
- [Ava] It's time for you to repent.
- [Lance] Fuck.
- Joleen Stuggurt,
do you confess to murdering her?
Ron Lonzo!
(Ava strains) - [Lance] Ah, shit.
- Fred Higgins.
(Ava strains) - [Lance] Ah, fuck.
- Kim Sottar. (strains)
How do you plead?
(Lance groans) (Ava strains)
- Ah, shit.
(thrilling music)
Enough, goddamn it.
- Enough?
Enough?
What about when we asked you to stop, huh?
Where the fuck was your mercy?
(Ava strains) (Lance groans)
- Go ahead.
Go ahead, take me in.
No one's gonna believe you.
No one's gonna help you
once they find out how you obtained your proof.
- You know, you've always inspired me, Professor,
especially tonight.
And you're right.
I did need to get the proof the right way.
So thank you for leading me to do just that.
- What are you talking about?
(tense music)
(Lance chuckles)
Well played, Miss Cole.
Well played.
So you're gonna take me to the police?
(tense music)
- Nope.
It's like you said,
someone's gotta take the acid bath.
- Excuse me?
- I had to kill the man I loved
and watch you murder my best friend.
(Ava strains) (Lance gasps)
(Lance laughing)
- You can't do it, can you?
Murdering your boyfriend got to you.
You can't kill a second person.
(suspenseful music)
- You know, I really would've made a great investigator,
but after tonight,
all the, all the pain,
humiliation,
taking a life,
(suspenseful music)
I liked it.
(tense music)
And I'd make a far better psychopath.
After all, I learned from the best.
So, Todd, I have one more question for you.
(unsettling music)
Are you gonna die tonight?
(Ava straining) (Lance groaning)
- Wait. Wait, we can work together. (groaning)
(tense music)
I am gonna miss you.
(Lance screaming) (tense music)
(suspenseful music)
(eerie music)
(intense music)
- Where is Ava Cole now?
- She did it.
- What?
- She killed everyone.
- No way. That's outrageous.
- I never really liked her on the "Serial Chat" podcast.
She rubbed me the wrong way,
always seeking attention.
- So we're feeling sorry for Todd Hendricks then,
aka The fucking Vindicator,
also also known as the man who murdered almost 100 people
in the most gruesome and horrific ways,
half of which he melted to nothing in acid,
that guy?
So, first, girl power.
(Lynn scoffs)
Go, Ava Cole for taking down Vindy.
But secondly, what other explanation is there?
All of the evidence points to her.
The cops find a major blood bath, literally,
an acid tub full of blood.
And Ava Cole? Gone.
One of the most popular figures in the true crime world,
who couldn't resist going live
to her fans at every possible moment, the biggest,
most important achievement of her career,
of her life,
and she goes radio silent?
Come on, Lynn. Don't be naive.
- Maybe she just thinks someone's still out there
to get her.
She is a smart cookie.
If she hasn't popped up on the grid,
it must be pretty scary out there for her,
not to mention the division from like you
accusing her of horrible things.
- Well, if you don't wanna hear it from me,
there's someone you might listen to,
someone with firsthand experience.
Their opinion may sway you.
- What you talking about, Sindy?
- Ladies and gents, the son of The Vindicator:
Steve Hendricks.
Hello, Steve.
You're on "Those Who Sin" with Lynn and Sin.
- Thank you, ladies.
- How'd you get ahold of him?
Steve, this is insane to be talking with you right now.
Everyone's been wondering where you are.
- Well, I can't exactly tell you my whereabouts,
but I do believe it's been long enough.
I finally need to let the world know.
- Know what?
- The truth.
My father, Todd Hendricks,
did some awful things.
I tried to distance myself for a long, long time,
but it all still caught up.
Even started to take hold
that I'm covering for him or, or worse.
But I'm here to clear my name
- And how are you going to do that?
There are a lot of people out there
who believe you were involved.
- Yeah.
I've seen the theories and the stupid rumors online
about what happened that night,
about Ava Cole
and how she's some sort of a hero.
Well, there's something people don't know,
not even the police.
- Wow.
Ladies and squirms,
this is about to be breaking news.
(suspenseful music)
- Ava, Bradley,
and Tommy were at my father's house
to do a podcast episode.
They invited me to be a guest.
When I arrived, I was knocked out cold.
I didn't see who did it.
But when I came to, several hours later,
I saw a trail of blood
leading to our family's barn
I found the bodies of Tom Kincaid, Brad Faville, and,
and my dad.
(tense music)
but no Ava Cole
But I did find something else:
their camera.
- Whoa. Please tell me it was recording.
(tense music)
- Yeah, it sure was.
(Lynn chuckles)
- You didn't take it to the police?
(tense music)
- After how my father was so connected and corrupted?
(Steve scoffs)
No, I couldn't trust them.
(suspenseful music)
- Steve?
- Everything okay?
- I, I don't have a lot of time, okay?
What I found on that video
reveals what really happened that night.
(eerie music)
What the fuck are you doing here.
- Steve, is everything okay?
- Is that Ava Cole?
(eerie music) (Steve gasping)
- [Steve] How'd you find me?
(tense music)
Get away.
Oh god.
(objects clattering)
- Who, who is that?
(tense music)
Steve?
- Steve?
(eerie music)
- What the f-
(intense music)
♪ The say I'm the devil ♪
♪ You should probably believe them ♪
♪ The way that I move ♪
♪ I give them every fucking reason ♪
♪ Some of those who thrive on assumptions ♪
♪ They have no confidence ♪
♪ So I use that against them ♪
♪ And make the fucking best of it ♪
♪ There's always gonna be someone ♪
♪ Saying that I'm a villain ♪
♪ And that may be true ♪
♪ If that's their story, that's on them ♪
♪ When karma comes around ♪
♪ And pushes you down ♪
♪ Will the foot on your neck ♪
♪ Make sense to you now ♪
♪ Look at what you created ♪
♪ With every ounce of your hatred ♪
♪ When the blood in your mouth ♪
♪ Is dripping on the ground ♪
(intense music)
♪ The blood in your mouth ♪
♪ The blood your ♪
♪ The blood in your mouth ♪
♪ I keep my nose clean ♪
♪ My heart is pure in intention ♪
♪ I'm not stealing, lying, cheating ♪
♪ No causing any dissension ♪
♪ I know who I am ♪
♪ And I don't need no extension ♪
♪ I'd call you out by name ♪
♪ But you're too ugly to mention ♪
♪ There's always gonna be someone ♪
♪ Saying that I'm a villain ♪
♪ And that may be true ♪
♪ If that's their story, that's on them ♪
♪ When karma comes around and pushes you down ♪
♪ Will the foot on your neck ♪
♪ Make sense to you now ♪
♪ Look at what you created ♪
♪ With every ounce of your hatred ♪
♪ When the blood in mouth ♪
♪ Is dripping on the ground ♪
♪ The blood in your mouth ♪
♪ The blood in your ♪
♪ The blood your mouth ♪
♪ Twisting of words is all that you do ♪
♪ Emotional poison shows the damage in you ♪
♪ You think you are untouchable ♪
♪ But nobody is ♪
♪ Someday the ground will open up ♪
♪ And swallow you in ♪
♪ Twisting of words is all that you do ♪
♪ Emotional poison shows the damage in you ♪
♪ You think you're untouchable but nobody is ♪
♪ Someday the ground will open up ♪
♪ And swallow you in ♪
♪ When karma come around and pushes you down ♪
♪ Will the foot on your neck ♪
♪ Make sense to you now ♪
♪ Look at what you create with every ounce of your hatred ♪
♪ When the blood in your drown ♪
♪ Is dripping on the ground ♪