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So back when you started, there
were some doubts, right?

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Were there?

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I hadn’t heard.

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So that’s news to you? I know.

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What would you like to say
to those people who think, well,

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I like what this guy’s doing,
but...

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I’ve elected people
to represent me
who should be doing this job?

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Everything, All the criticism
that I’ve heard of
what I’m doing, it

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basically boils down to, well,
what about the system?

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Trust the system.

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The system wasn’t
representing people. But I am.

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Daniel didn’t really have much
to say about himself at first,

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so it was really on
the journalists
in Brazil to find out who he was

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and how he came to be that way.

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There wasn’t anything about him

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growing up that would make
you think this guy’s different.

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It was comics, video
games and football.

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He never talked to anybody about
it, any of his friends.

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But at some point he just
started,

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you know, avoiding
physical activities at school.

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He said he was bored with them.

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Definitely not one
of the cool kids in school.

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But he do these things when we
hung out

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and I thought it was hilarious
because he didn’t even care.

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He’s almost the archetype,

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the lost soul, the outsider
who suddenly discovers, Hey,

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I can have control over
my own life in a very
big, very powerful way.

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Superhero comics and movies
have given him the tools to say.

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I’m a superhero.

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Do they like you? I don’t know.

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Word also started to get out

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pretty quickly about the crime
numbers the city was posting.

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and we had posted double digit
declines

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that began to attract a lot of
attention.

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He’s a global celebrity.

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And, you know, against
like all of the good.

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he’s doing, the complaints?

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They’re less than a footnote.

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If you want to understand
why he became so popular
so quickly,

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all you have to do
is look at his background.

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And they find out

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we’ve been living right
under our noses in Nova
Sao Paulo his whole life.

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But as you’d expect,
it’s the story
about his birth that’s unusual.

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His biological parents
are from the state
of Pernambuco,

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and we find out they both
passed away

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from something that looks like
radiation poisoning.

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The father right before
his birth, mother just after

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and when no family

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surfaces to take the baby,
he’s placed into the
foster care system.

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A family adopts him,
and from what we can
tell, he grows up

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normally under the
circumstances.

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So we were in college
by then, and one day
he just stopped going to class.

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So when I texted him,
he told me that he’d
been thinking

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a lot about the way
his mom was killed.

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I thought that was weird
because he never really
talked about her.

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He told me that he needed some
time off and he wanted to,

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you know, figure out who he
really was.

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He’s discovering this strength,
this speed, the fact that
nothing seems to hurt it.

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We don’t know when he first
noticed there was something
different about him,

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but we do know he threw himself
into figuring out what
to do with it.

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it almost perfectly fits
the contours of the classic
superhero origin story.

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Now, if you’re somebody who
doesn’t have these things,
that’s a perfect fantasy.

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And that’s why superhero stories
connect with so many of us.

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And now along comes
someone who gets to
live that story.

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So what is he thinking about?

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He’s growing up reading comic
books like the rest of us.

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And what those have done
is given him a sort of
decoder key for reality.

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Oh, now I understand why I’m
like this.

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Now I understand why I’m
feeling this way.

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Now I understand what I should
do.

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And what is it that superheroes
do?

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They fight villains.

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It was only like four years ago.

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I had been an anchor on CNE
for three years.

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You start thinking you’ve
seen everything,
even the bus hijacking.

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So that wasn’t a surprise.

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But what happened next? That
was.

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A bus hijacking
in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil.

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Coming to a surprising
conclusion...

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...a man appears to have leapt
through the bus window

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at an inconceivable speed,
stopping the hijacker
before disappearing.

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And then the gunman
just goes like flying
off the bus.

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And this... I guess
I would call him a kid.

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This kid steps off,
like totally calm,

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like he just got to his stop.

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An astonishing story out of Nova
Sao Paulo, Brazil.

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It was like a scene
out of a superhero movie.

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The attention of
the entire world
has turned to the Brazilian city

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and to the vigilante hero from
last...

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The vigilante named
Daniel Dias has left scientists

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in disbelief with a
slew of abilities
that seem more at home.

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In a comic... He can leap
hundreds of meters.

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He runs faster than the speed of
sound, and he’s strong enough

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to bend solid metal.

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What we don’t know
about him, how he exists.

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So the day after the bus.

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After he introduced himself
to the camera,
he walks in as if,

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you know, nothing happened,
like...

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and, oh my God,
before he even gets to the door.

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I mean, for a shy kid, this

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moment is the moment that you
dream of.

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He was the hero.

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Everybody at school knew his
name and not just at school.

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Now is the biggest story in
the world is a comic
book come to life.

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He’s a celebrity.

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Everybody wanted
to be the childhood friend.

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Everyone had this
one story about the one time

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they had talked and how
from just that they knew
how special he was.

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Definitely news to him
how many friends he had.

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We know because we’ve read
the same comics and seen the
same movies that he has.

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That celebrity is something
he must have anticipated
since it began.

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But there are different ways
of interacting with the public.

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There’s the Bruce Wayne model

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where I’m a celebrity
in everyday life,
but nobody knows I’m Batman.

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Then there’s the Peter Parker
model where I’m the totally
anonymous,

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mild mannered
high school student.

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Oh,
there’s the Tony Stark model

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where it’s like,
Hey, I am Iron Man.

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I think if you look at the world
today at digital technology,

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you think I’m going to spend
half my energy protecting
my secret identity,

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then order 50 sets of matching
long underwear

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and somebody is just going
to find out who I am anyway.

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I’ll pass on the whole
Bruce Wayne thing.

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As a public figure, at least

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you go into a restaurant
and you get drinks on the house.

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You know, you get the perks.

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There’s this big question

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What’s someone with
Daniel’s ability supposed
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If you want to make money,

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the first thing I think
is probably I should play
a professional sport.

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But as soon as there’s
even a whisper of that,
the International Olympic

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Committee, the players
associations
in every sport, even in America,

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they make it known
that he’s not welcome
to compete.

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So the next idea is from
these American producers

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who try to sell him on the
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kind of a spectacle
where he can show
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That just is like a circus act.
He passes.

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Some people were even trying to
attach themselves to him
from all Churches,

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the ones talking about
like prophecy chosen one
stuff that creeps him out.

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So if you never had a

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friend turn into an
object of worship,
I’ll tell you right away.

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I had no idea what to tell him.

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I mean, he’s trying really hard
to be the same person

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he was, but his life looks
nothing like it did before.

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You have people calling him a
Savior, God.

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What do you tell your friend?

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I was like...

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Take the free stuff.

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You know, what would you say?

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But I think his dad was really
the one reminding him,
you have a gift.

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You can do things.

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Look what’s happening in the
country.

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You can tell he’s
kind of searching for meaning.

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And he’s thinking,
What’s my way to go big?

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But in all these places, his
response is.

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I don’t want to be part of that.

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So you have a superhero.

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The first thing I think is
he’s got to fight crime, right?

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I think someone looked at him
and figure.

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Sooner or later,
this kid’s going to be
busts and bad guys.

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He might as well learn
what’s game’s about.

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So they let him participate
in some police operations.

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You’d seen his face. He loved
it.

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Everybody loved it.

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What is a superhero?

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A superhero is someone
who sacrifices for us.

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Someone who can do the job
alone. So we don’t have to.

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Now, you can have superhero
teams, but what you don’t
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on teams. So every time he gets
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there are these disagreements.

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He wants to do things his way.

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He feels like they’re holding
him back. And he’s right.

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They are. I mean, he’s a

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he’s an unstoppable force.

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But that works both ways.

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We had started talking
a lot when he was out
there trying out stuff.

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You know, every day would be a
text.

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A meme, a video call.

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I like that he hadn’t changed.

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If anyone had a right
to change, it was him.

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But he was still the same person
I knew growing up.

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You know, because he genuinely
believed

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that he could do the right thing
and that he would do
the right thing.

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He just didn’t feel this
trust coming from
the people making the decisions.

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That speech was when
I first set up and realized
this guy wasn’t

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just some celebrity out there
with a couple of models
in his arms.

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He was somebody you got to pay
attention to.

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That was it.

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One minute he was a celebrity.

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The next he was like.

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Well, no one really knew what
it meant.

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I had no idea what he was going
to do.

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You know, even as a kid,
he was always the person

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who would take his own decisions
without telling anybody.

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So this was pretty much like
him.

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He also announces
that he has a new
name now, Warden.

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which means guardian.

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The superhero name.

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There’s always been
something about violence.

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Even defensive, necessary
violence

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that was recognized
as so foreign to civilized life.

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The life of the town,
the life of the family

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that our fighters
have always had
to assume a different persona.

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Whether it’s war paint or
samurai masks

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or the codenames that our
soldiers use when they talk
to each other on the radio.

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When you’re in that world
where life and death
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you need to become someone else.

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And sometimes that
someone is a truer you.

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Warden.

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Obviously, it’s an English word.

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It’s not a Portuguese word.

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Daniel had gotten to know some
people,

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entertainment industry people,
and they told him, you know,

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you might be working on a local
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like it or not, you’re
an international figure.

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You need people all over the
world to hear one word

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and think of you.

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And he saw that, too.

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So Warden hits the scene.

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He’s shaking hands. He’s on
patrol.

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And he quickly discovers
something.

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He discovers that supervillains
the "raison d’etre"
to be a superhero.

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Well, we don’t really get a lot
of those in a real world,

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what we do get in
the real world,
in the real criminal world,

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are a lot of ordinary people
with an underdeveloped
sense of empathy

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who are trying to find ways
to to cheat, to take advantage,

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and sometimes use
violence against
those they perceive as targets.

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Not an evil genius masterplan,

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frankly, for that stuff.

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There’s not a whole
lot that superhero
can do that a normal can do.

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You know, you you learn the
neighborhood, you meet the
people you earn their trust.

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You develop good sources and
you use data.

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That’s how you solve crimes.

237
00:18:22,884 --> 00:18:26,755
And the more crimes you solve,
the more crimes you stop.

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I think his idea was more,
I dare you try something
on my watch.

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00:18:31,332 --> 00:18:38,272
You always have the
association of the superhero
and the city with his city.

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Batman has Gotham.
Superman has Metropolis.

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Green Lantern has Central City.

242
00:18:42,343 --> 00:18:45,873
Now, the comic book writers
didn’t have to do that.

243
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It cost them just as much to
draw Superman in Metropolis

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as it did to draw them on the
moon.

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00:18:50,516 --> 00:18:54,354
But there’s always been this
sense that a superhero

246
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isn’t some distant figure
watching us from Mount Olympus.

247
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They’re part of our community.

248
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,299
And Warden understood that.

249
00:19:45,472 --> 00:19:47,638
I worried about him in the
beginning.

250
00:19:47,639 --> 00:19:49,035
You know, he was coming from a
place

251
00:19:49,036 --> 00:19:52,038
where if he was in your
life, it was as a celebrity.

252
00:19:52,039 --> 00:20:00,189
Like this professional lifesaver
that the least controversial
person imaginable.

253
00:20:00,190 --> 00:20:02,389
But how do you keep this up
when your job

254
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:07,659
is to make judgments about who’s
a good guy and who’s a bad guy?

255
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:12,124
If you’re not naturally the kind
of person who craves attention

256
00:20:12,125 --> 00:20:17,404
and suddenly millions of people
you’ve never met have
opinions about you

257
00:20:17,405 --> 00:20:20,540
being under that microscope
gets to you.

258
00:20:21,277 --> 00:20:25,313
I remember he told me about the
first time

259
00:20:25,314 --> 00:20:29,142
he stopped a robbery, I think
it was

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at a gas station,
and the guy had stolen
like 60 bucks.

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So he tackled the robber
and the guy starts screaming,
howling,

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like making noises
that you’ve never heard
in your life.

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And at some point, he looks at
the guy and

264
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he sees that the guy is not well

265
00:20:50,471 --> 00:20:53,209
and he’s not armed or anything.

266
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,872
And he was like, Is this who
I’m fighting?

267
00:20:56,873 --> 00:20:59,380
So I think this was really
tough for him.

268
00:20:59,381 --> 00:21:03,076
The problem was this
was all legally very tenuous.

269
00:21:03,077 --> 00:21:06,013
He wasn’t the type
of guy who wanted to read
you your rights.

270
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He hadn’t been trained in
the police department’s
use of force standards.

271
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He was a superhero
not some recruits
with a rulebook.

272
00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:17,827
In my office, we got signals
from certain judges that to them

273
00:21:17,828 --> 00:21:23,195
what one was doing was
surveillance on private
citizens without a warrant.

274
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It was an untenable situation.

275
00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:32,942
Warden had agreed to let
some TV producers
put a camera crew on him.

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That was how Brazilian Hero
started.

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00:21:35,175 --> 00:21:38,947
These were the people
who thought
up his new international name.

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00:21:38,948 --> 00:21:41,818
So of course, they didn’t
keep it in Brazil.

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Right away they packaged it
as Our Hero and licensed it
all around the world.

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It’s a massive hit.

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People call me a Warden.

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Ever since I was young,

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I’ve known I was a little
different.

284
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I don’t think he loved having
cameras around all the time,

285
00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:11,848
but he figured at least
he could control the message.

286
00:22:11,849 --> 00:22:17,117
It also brought in a huge stream
of revenue for Warden.

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It just cements him
as this internationally
beloved figure.

288
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So he’s coming in to millions of
people’s homes every week,

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doing these heroic, basically
magical things in front
of the camera.

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Davi Lopes is the state
representative
that falls on that grenade

291
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and tries to act on some
of the concerns
coming from the police.

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The "OAB" the Order of
Attorneys of Brazil and some
members of the community

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00:23:28,321 --> 00:23:32,126
Consequences. So
this is really the first time

294
00:23:32,127 --> 00:23:35,965
that anyone’s had to wrestle
with this question.

295
00:23:35,966 --> 00:23:39,265
Can you apply the law to a demi
god?

296
00:23:39,266 --> 00:23:44,172
Can you arrest him? How?

297
00:23:44,678 --> 00:23:48,077
What kind of laws do we need?

298
00:23:48,682 --> 00:23:53,279
If you can’t just let him do
whatever he wants.

299
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,721
Can you?

300
00:23:55,722 --> 00:23:57,987
The investigation.

301
00:23:57,988 --> 00:24:01,463
I think it really just changed
the way he thought about things.

302
00:24:01,464 --> 00:24:04,961
You know, he saw what he did
as a community service

303
00:24:04,962 --> 00:24:07,227
that, you know, everyone’s
super hero.

304
00:24:07,228 --> 00:24:11,407
And then these politicians
come along and treated him
as a punching bag.

305
00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:13,299
He saw it as a game to them.

306
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,809
So that was the first
time I actually saw
him get frustrated.

307
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:21,142
Well, it turned out
investigating
him was very unpopular.

308
00:24:21,143 --> 00:24:23,419
Warden wasn’t the guy handing
speeding tickets.

309
00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:27,819
People were seeing him
stopping awful,
violent people every single day.

310
00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:31,252
And more importantly,
they were seeing it on TV.

311
00:24:31,659 --> 00:24:33,825
You threatened to take
that away from people.

312
00:24:33,826 --> 00:24:35,761
And, you know, you playing with
fire.

313
00:24:35,762 --> 00:24:42,768
We forget the salience
of the feeling
of physical safety in politics.

314
00:24:42,769 --> 00:24:46,101
You know, in Brazil,
people saw this reality.

315
00:24:46,102 --> 00:24:49,401
Tens of thousands of murders
and rapes every year.

316
00:24:49,402 --> 00:24:53,449
And no matter who you are,
your survival instincts kick in

317
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:56,716
and you think my security first.

318
00:24:56,717 --> 00:24:58,311
Other people we’ll talk about
later.

319
00:24:58,312 --> 00:25:01,721
And they said to
the politicians,
I don’t want to hear anything

320
00:25:01,722 --> 00:25:04,725
you have to say until you fix
this.

321
00:25:05,385 --> 00:25:07,353
How can you keep me safe

322
00:25:07,354 --> 00:25:10,258
in my home, in my city?

323
00:25:10,632 --> 00:25:13,601
It was a top voting issue in
the country.

324
00:25:13,602 --> 00:25:15,801
And so everybody acted.

325
00:25:15,802 --> 00:25:18,573
And if you’re Brazilian
and you feel like the system is

326
00:25:18,574 --> 00:25:23,809
sacrificing your safety
for some abstract
concept like due process,

327
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:27,582
you get that lizard brain
reaction,

328
00:25:27,583 --> 00:25:30,585
you’re making me unsafe

329
00:25:30,586 --> 00:25:33,116
and you get fed up.

330
00:25:35,723 --> 00:25:40,453
As it turns out, public opinion
didn’t matter one
way or the other.

331
00:25:45,194 --> 00:25:48,702
So this scandal breaks
and it’s just the perfect

332
00:25:48,703 --> 00:25:53,840
stew of ingredients that
get people actually
interested in local news.

333
00:26:00,242 --> 00:26:02,882
He doesn’t stand a chance.

334
00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:49,862
Everybody, millions of people
knew that he wasn’t happy
with this investigation

335
00:26:49,863 --> 00:26:55,461
and that anything that would
make Lopes’ life harder
would be good for him.

336
00:26:55,462 --> 00:27:00,301
So it just took, you know,
someone out there who
decided they knew

337
00:27:00,302 --> 00:27:01,071
how to help.

338
00:27:01,072 --> 00:27:04,646
With Davi Lopes out of the
way and his supporters silent.

339
00:27:04,647 --> 00:27:08,012
The coast was really clear for
Warden to do things his way.

340
00:27:08,013 --> 00:27:10,311
The first time I thought

341
00:27:10,312 --> 00:27:12,544
maybe that feeling
you’ve got to watch your back,

342
00:27:12,545 --> 00:27:17,627
that if you’re not on his side,
something bad was
going to happen.

343
00:27:18,793 --> 00:27:20,255
That’s what he wants.

344
00:27:20,256 --> 00:27:24,029
Maybe Warden is someone
you’ve got to watch out for.

345
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:31,838
What is the superhero way?

346
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,433
To fight crime.

347
00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:35,974
And part of it’s about optics, right?

348
00:27:35,975 --> 00:27:39,274
The spectacle. Every arrest
showcases

349
00:27:39,275 --> 00:27:43,443
that you’re faster,
stronger, tougher than
the bad guys.

350
00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:46,314
You maybe humiliate them.

351
00:27:46,315 --> 00:27:49,856
Part of the superheroes
job is to be a moral force.

352
00:27:49,857 --> 00:27:54,355
You’re embodying in one person
the values of an entire
community,

353
00:27:54,356 --> 00:27:59,591
and you’re delivering the
smackdown that community wishes

354
00:27:59,592 --> 00:28:03,672
it could give to anyone or
anything that threatens it.

355
00:28:03,673 --> 00:28:07,775
You’re saying our side, the side
of order and righteous violence

356
00:28:07,776 --> 00:28:11,471
beats your side, the
side of disorder
and unrighteous violence.

357
00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:16,652
But what the superhero way
really means is no rules.

358
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:20,480
You have the heroes sense of
morality and you trust it.

359
00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:25,089
But Warden isn’t,
you know, filing an
arrest report.

360
00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:26,057
And he’s certainly not going

361
00:28:26,058 --> 00:28:29,424
to show up in court
to testify at the trial.

362
00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:56,286
I think people celebrated Warden
because they made
that connection.

363
00:28:56,891 --> 00:28:59,926
They realized he is us.

364
00:28:59,927 --> 00:29:04,392
This is what we would do
if we had the power.

365
00:29:04,393 --> 00:29:08,462
The question is,
where does that fit into
the legal system?

366
00:29:08,463 --> 00:29:13,534
So you can see how things
might be on a collision course.

367
00:29:16,042 --> 00:29:18,076
I don’t know how to explain it.

368
00:29:18,077 --> 00:29:20,881
It felt like he was himself
again.

369
00:29:20,882 --> 00:29:24,049
You know, everybody had this
idea of who he should be

370
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:28,185
or what he should do
or wanted something from him.

371
00:29:28,186 --> 00:29:33,058
And suddenly he felt like
he could define himself.

372
00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:35,556
And he came alive.

373
00:29:35,831 --> 00:29:36,930
It was an amazing combination

374
00:29:36,931 --> 00:29:41,430
of the person I grew up with
and the man I was
getting to know.

375
00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,201
It had to be a secret, though.

376
00:29:44,202 --> 00:29:47,568
Obviously, he wanted to protect
me.

377
00:29:56,313 --> 00:29:59,150
You sense this new
confidence watching him.

378
00:29:59,151 --> 00:30:02,351
You know, the sex offender
gets a hot shot to his crotch,

379
00:30:02,352 --> 00:30:06,454
the dope fiend gets hauled in
with drugs all around him.

380
00:30:06,455 --> 00:30:08,324
He was showing his sense of
humor.

381
00:30:08,325 --> 00:30:09,798
Let the punishment fit the
crime.

382
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,428
So as you’d expect, everybody on
the force gave him a wide lane.

383
00:30:13,429 --> 00:30:15,397
On the one hand that
it was his popularity,

384
00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:19,907
you knew you’d be shouted down
even before you opened
your mouth.

385
00:30:19,908 --> 00:30:22,041
But there was also
this intimidation factor.

386
00:30:22,042 --> 00:30:26,848
Every time he flexed his
muscles and ran someone
down, he was reminding you,

387
00:30:26,849 --> 00:30:29,708
I’m stronger than you.
I’m faster than you.

388
00:30:29,709 --> 00:30:31,248
Essentially, I’m unstoppable.

389
00:30:31,249 --> 00:30:33,382
And he didn’t have to open his
mouth.

390
00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:34,746
Warden never felt like the best

391
00:30:34,747 --> 00:30:38,585
use of his time was chasing
drug pushers
or any random street criminals.

392
00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:42,160
Here in Brazil, we say that’s
like trying to dry ice.

393
00:30:42,161 --> 00:30:43,194
Even when he tries going

394
00:30:43,195 --> 00:30:46,362
after organized crime,
he’s hitting the corner
dealers, the triggerman,

395
00:30:46,363 --> 00:30:49,299
those street level guys go down,
you’ve got another five

396
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,070
replacing them in the next day.

397
00:30:51,071 --> 00:30:53,072
The fundamental problem stays.

398
00:30:53,073 --> 00:30:57,571
It’s clear Warden is starting
to think if this is the best
use of his abilities.

399
00:30:57,572 --> 00:31:01,982
But this time there are
people around Warden who
have very strong ideas

400
00:31:01,983 --> 00:31:07,252
about what problems
need to be solved
and they have his attention.

401
00:31:08,352 --> 00:31:09,187
Warden had these

402
00:31:09,188 --> 00:31:12,421
relationships with the Nova
Sao Paulo business community.

403
00:31:12,422 --> 00:31:16,590
The idea was since Warden
didn’t want to get paid
by the government,

404
00:31:16,591 --> 00:31:20,792
they make donations to support
his new Justice Initiative
operation.

405
00:31:20,793 --> 00:31:24,268
There were a few examples
where a company would bring him

406
00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:27,338
in to give a lecture to their
employees.

407
00:33:15,611 --> 00:33:19,020
All of a sudden,
Warden was making these
huge arrests.

408
00:33:19,021 --> 00:33:23,486
Was white collar, financial
crime, criminal leaders,
even politicians.

409
00:33:23,487 --> 00:33:26,852
All the people that you thought
were untouchable. Falling
like dominoes.

410
00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:31,626
They would show up at the
courthouse, essentially
gift wrapped with evidence

411
00:33:31,627 --> 00:33:37,137
for the prosecutors to make
their cases and cameras to
get the public exciting.

412
00:33:37,138 --> 00:33:39,535
None of the evidence
would hold up in court

413
00:33:39,536 --> 00:33:45,178
because it was collected
extrajudicially
and violated due process

414
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:47,774
that only made Warden more
popular.

415
00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:50,381
The defense lawyers weren’t
happy.

416
00:33:50,382 --> 00:33:52,944
The civil liberties
groups cried bloody murder. But

417
00:33:52,945 --> 00:33:58,786
when the courts had to let
these criminal big shots
go free on technicalities

418
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,557
that made Warden the hero

419
00:34:01,558 --> 00:34:04,263
and the legal system the
villain.

420
00:34:04,264 --> 00:34:08,663
He was saying, You’ve
all complained
about this for years now.

421
00:34:08,664 --> 00:34:12,767
Everybody stand back
whilst I do something about it.

422
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:20,675
It’s an iron law

423
00:34:20,676 --> 00:34:23,547
in all times, in all places.

424
00:34:24,383 --> 00:34:26,747
It’s extremely unwise

425
00:34:26,748 --> 00:34:30,784
to be rich and not befriend
the authorities.

426
00:34:30,785 --> 00:34:34,293
Now, whenever you have one of
these anti-corruption campaigns

427
00:34:34,294 --> 00:34:38,825
led by one person, one savior
who’s all about cracking down,

428
00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:39,859
all about putting that villain

429
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:43,929
or handful of villains on stage
for the public to hate

430
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:45,964
without passing laws

431
00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:50,969
that change the incentives
that create the corruption
in the first place.

432
00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:55,006
What you have is not
an anti-corruption campaign.

433
00:34:55,007 --> 00:35:00,650
What you have is
a pro your friends
corruption campaign.

434
00:35:01,486 --> 00:35:05,094
Write it down.
Take it to the bank.

435
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:07,953
Every time.

436
00:35:07,954 --> 00:35:08,921
You talk to him by then

437
00:35:08,922 --> 00:35:13,200
And it was millions of ideas
all the time,
like green speedways,

438
00:35:13,201 --> 00:35:16,500
bust these criminals disaster
response system.

439
00:35:16,501 --> 00:35:19,272
He said his eyes
were opening to the world.

440
00:35:19,273 --> 00:35:21,901
It was good to be
with someone that cared so much.

441
00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:27,611
You know, he really thought
he really believed that he
could change the world.

442
00:35:28,117 --> 00:35:32,715
And the more his plans grew,
the more the organization grew.

443
00:35:35,718 --> 00:35:38,852
He had the lawyers
had the digital forensic team.

444
00:35:38,853 --> 00:35:41,195
He had the liaison
to handle business
with the city.

445
00:35:41,196 --> 00:35:46,024
He had the PR guy, all of them
recommendation from his
business friends,

446
00:35:46,025 --> 00:35:46,959
for what it’s worth.

447
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,303
The smart businesses
started to make contributions

448
00:35:50,304 --> 00:35:52,998
to his justice initiative
straight away.

449
00:35:52,999 --> 00:35:56,672
And there’s a subtext to those
payments.

450
00:35:56,673 --> 00:35:57,574
It’s not settle.

451
00:35:57,575 --> 00:36:01,073
It’s maybe don’t look so
closely at me.

452
00:36:14,295 --> 00:36:17,561
The buildings collapsed right
at sunrise.

453
00:36:17,562 --> 00:36:20,301
I’d say that was the next phase.

454
00:36:28,276 --> 00:36:30,706
You know it was just this

455
00:36:30,707 --> 00:36:35,106
big empty eye sore that the
owners wanted to replace

456
00:36:35,107 --> 00:36:37,383
with this city of tomorrow.

457
00:36:37,384 --> 00:36:41,222
And the City has just tied them
up in court for years.

458
00:36:41,223 --> 00:36:43,950
citing historical preservation
of the site.

459
00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:46,557
And it turns out that the
owners had

460
00:36:46,558 --> 00:36:49,428
become big donors
to Warden’s Justice Initiative.

461
00:36:49,429 --> 00:36:53,168
So when the buildings come down,
it looks like pretty clear

462
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:57,172
that there’s one group
that has a financial
stake in this

463
00:36:57,173 --> 00:37:00,374
and one person who
could have done it for them.

464
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:02,133
You know, you have this

465
00:37:02,134 --> 00:37:06,104
unauthorized demolition,
this explosion in a
residential area.

466
00:37:06,105 --> 00:37:10,515
You’re going around the courts,
around the whole legal process.

467
00:37:10,516 --> 00:37:11,714
You have people in the
neighborhood

468
00:37:11,715 --> 00:37:15,421
getting sick from the chemicals
this puts into the air.

469
00:37:15,422 --> 00:37:20,822
Most of us look to the State
Attorney General, Romeu Filho.

470
00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:24,332
Everyone’s waiting to see what
he does

471
00:37:25,927 --> 00:37:28,028
and he does nothing.

472
00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:37,806
So if you’re keeping score, the
people

473
00:37:37,807 --> 00:37:42,317
who go around the law:
Warden and the owners.

474
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,713
No charges against them.

475
00:37:43,714 --> 00:37:50,225
The people who call out the
people who break the law,
they get investigated.

476
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:53,757
For me, that was "what the
fuck" moment.

477
00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:55,461
I think anyone who reviewed the
suits

478
00:37:55,462 --> 00:37:59,894
that the city filed
to prevent the demolition
as I had.

479
00:37:59,895 --> 00:38:02,765
Found them to be
in bad faith and without merit.

480
00:38:02,766 --> 00:38:07,638
More than that, it’s
important to remember that
our whole legal system exists

481
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,246
as a channel for the people’s
sense of justice and fairness.

482
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:15,173
And when courts have thwarten
what people understand
to be justice,

483
00:38:15,174 --> 00:38:20,113
when they’re undermining
the public’s confidence
that the system works,

484
00:38:20,454 --> 00:38:22,951
then you have a problem.

485
00:39:01,396 --> 00:39:02,594
Whatis the justice system for?

486
00:39:02,595 --> 00:39:06,961
If you can imagine the tribe
of early humans coming back
from a mammoth hunts.

487
00:39:06,962 --> 00:39:10,932
Yeah, they discover
that somebody has committed
a murder.

488
00:39:10,933 --> 00:39:16,311
The entire society is rattled
in its anger and vendettas
and distrust,

489
00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:19,644
and you need domestic
order to be restored.

490
00:39:19,645 --> 00:39:24,418
That’s what the job of the law
is, to be our collective
retribution.

491
00:39:24,419 --> 00:39:28,587
When you look at our system
today, it’s gotten so
complex and so far removed

492
00:39:28,588 --> 00:39:35,188
from that basic, original
purpose that bad actors
know they can exploit it.

493
00:39:35,287 --> 00:39:37,222
The demolition case.

494
00:39:37,223 --> 00:39:40,060
They were just a small example,
and Warden helped people

495
00:39:40,061 --> 00:39:44,339
see how they were standing
in the way of the
public interest.

496
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,836
And that paved all the work we
did.

497
00:39:46,837 --> 00:39:48,343
And I think that’s a great
thing.

498
00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:51,544
And that was essentially
the way things were going to go.

499
00:39:51,545 --> 00:39:53,073
Warden would play
the wrecking ball,

500
00:39:53,074 --> 00:39:57,946
Romeu Filho would play
the legal bodyguard,
and their friends would play by

501
00:39:57,947 --> 00:39:59,453
their own rules.

502
00:39:59,454 --> 00:40:01,147
Now, if you’re a reasonable

503
00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:07,319
person or a reasonable business,
you would look at that
situation and say,

504
00:40:07,594 --> 00:40:10,090
I want to be Warden’s friend.

505
00:40:10,091 --> 00:40:13,258
You started seeing changes
right away.

506
00:40:13,259 --> 00:40:16,371
There’s a wave of construction.
The streets were cleaner.

507
00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:20,233
You’re talking to people.
They are telling you
they feel safer.

508
00:40:35,281 --> 00:40:36,985
It’s all a powerful statement.

509
00:40:36,986 --> 00:40:39,922
You know, you have one person
standing

510
00:40:39,923 --> 00:40:46,567
against all the old,
creaky bureaucracy
and red tape and he’s winning.

511
00:40:46,732 --> 00:40:49,834
So people pay attention to that.

512
00:41:02,583 --> 00:41:03,880
Thank you and thanks, guys.

513
00:41:03,881 --> 00:41:08,115
In a very short term,
we’ve had some huge changes
in Sao Paulo.

514
00:41:08,116 --> 00:41:11,756
We’ve seen some landmark
arrests, which I think
perhaps the very best

515
00:41:11,757 --> 00:41:16,255
investigators in your country
will be just a little
bit jealous of you.

516
00:41:16,256 --> 00:41:20,699
Yeah. You know, hopefully most
of us don’t have enemies.

517
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,503
And I know I didn’t when I was
younger.

518
00:41:22,504 --> 00:41:27,101
But now when you start
doing things
that impact a lot of people,

519
00:41:27,102 --> 00:41:29,708
the enemies you make tell you a
lot about who you are.

520
00:41:29,709 --> 00:41:34,977
So back when you started,
there were some doubts, right?

521
00:41:34,978 --> 00:41:38,552
Were there? I hadn’t heard.
Okay.

522
00:41:38,553 --> 00:41:40,114
So that’s news to you. I know.

523
00:41:40,115 --> 00:41:42,985
At this point you’d hear
things unofficially.

524
00:41:42,986 --> 00:41:48,386
Police chief gets advice to drop
an investigation, journalist
gets a story

525
00:41:48,387 --> 00:41:53,325
killed, a prosecutor gets
reassigned, but nothing illegal.

526
00:41:53,326 --> 00:41:57,934
And nobody can come forward
because they will know
that somewhere

527
00:41:57,935 --> 00:42:01,971
along the chain of things
that are there to stop bad
things from happening.

528
00:42:01,972 --> 00:42:09,408
There’s going to be someone
who’s afraid, corrupt or just
plain not on their side.

529
00:42:44,014 --> 00:42:47,687
Everything. All the criticism
that I’ve heard of
what I’m doing, it

530
00:42:47,688 --> 00:42:51,691
basically boils down to, well,
what about the system?

531
00:42:51,692 --> 00:42:53,253
Trust the system.

532
00:42:53,254 --> 00:42:57,632
The system wasn’t
representing people. What I am.

533
00:43:05,134 --> 00:43:06,640
Now, at this point,

534
00:43:06,641 --> 00:43:09,104
if I’m Warden, I’m feeling
pretty good.

535
00:43:09,105 --> 00:43:11,403
I got these circles
of protection around me.

536
00:43:11,404 --> 00:43:16,243
So there’s the real
one, which is the
politicians and the businessmen

537
00:43:16,244 --> 00:43:17,442
and the courts and the press
people

538
00:43:17,443 --> 00:43:19,411
who are all letting Warden
make his own rules.

539
00:43:19,412 --> 00:43:24,856
Then there’s the people
who’ve decided, I’m for
them, I’m their champion,

540
00:43:24,857 --> 00:43:28,354
and if I’m doing something
dicey, they don’t even
want to hear about it.

541
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:31,797
The feeling that Warden stoked
in us.

542
00:43:31,798 --> 00:43:35,460
It was ancient. It’s
been with humans since
the beginning.

543
00:43:35,461 --> 00:43:39,497
He was the demigod
who held the world
on his shoulders.

544
00:43:39,498 --> 00:43:44,073
He was the folk hero
who went around the law
to deliver justice

545
00:43:44,074 --> 00:43:47,582
and stick his thumb
in the eyes of the
powerful people.

546
00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:51,751
Someone like that,
even when they’re
fundamentally different from us.

547
00:43:51,752 --> 00:43:55,217
There’s this feeling that he is
us.

548
00:43:55,657 --> 00:43:57,086
His struggles are our

549
00:43:57,087 --> 00:44:00,188
struggles and his enemies are
our enemies.

550
00:44:00,189 --> 00:44:04,995
You know, every day it would be
the rescues, the show,
the handshake,

551
00:44:04,996 --> 00:44:10,770
the strategy session next week,
next quarter, next targeted,
next project.

552
00:44:10,771 --> 00:44:14,103
It’s hard to compete with that.

553
00:44:14,104 --> 00:44:15,841
You know, people felt connected
to him.

554
00:44:15,842 --> 00:44:19,075
So I’m going into this
with my eyes wide opened.

555
00:44:19,076 --> 00:44:24,279
And I decided to ask him
if we could be officially
out dating.

556
00:44:24,851 --> 00:44:30,087
And next day, his team
calls me into his office.

557
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:36,323
And there’s everyone lawyers,
consultants, managers.

558
00:44:36,324 --> 00:44:41,835
And they all agreed that
being out dating would be
the worst thing possible.

559
00:44:42,968 --> 00:44:45,806
For me, obviously

560
00:45:30,345 --> 00:45:34,084
the more the time passed,
the bigger he got and the more

561
00:45:34,085 --> 00:45:41,355
the distance between
the public figure
and the man would disappear.

562
00:45:41,356 --> 00:45:47,768
There’s a sense in which
a superhero is just
another kind of celebrity,

563
00:45:47,769 --> 00:45:52,597
and what celebrities
and powerful people are
really good at is creating

564
00:45:52,598 --> 00:45:58,339
these hermetically
sealed universes
where everyone loves you.

565
00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:00,847
And all the news is good news.

566
00:46:00,848 --> 00:46:04,312
In Warden’s case,
you take that celebrity bubble

567
00:46:04,313 --> 00:46:07,249
and you add years of reading
about superheroes

568
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:11,286
and their promises of power
and hyper competency.

569
00:46:11,287 --> 00:46:13,926
And you’ve got someone whose
life hasn’t

570
00:46:13,927 --> 00:46:17,556
exactly been primed
for committed relationships.

571
00:46:17,557 --> 00:46:19,459
So how come there’s only one of
you?

572
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:23,166
I would have thought
if we’d looked into your
story of origin.

573
00:46:23,167 --> 00:46:27,038
We’d been cranking out
at least a dozen more
of you superheroes.

574
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:32,209
Yeah, well, how do you know
you wouldn’t get
a super villain?

575
00:46:46,795 --> 00:46:50,688
The show’s ratings were still
strong and getting stronger.

576
00:46:50,689 --> 00:46:53,361
People want to know everything
about him.

577
00:46:53,362 --> 00:46:56,562
You have gossip sites
paying thousands of dollars

578
00:46:56,563 --> 00:47:01,402
for any whiff of information
about who might be involved
with Warden

579
00:47:01,403 --> 00:47:07,606
who went to lunch with
him, who was seen leaving
his apartment last night.

580
00:47:07,607 --> 00:47:08,706
But it was like a mirage.

581
00:47:08,707 --> 00:47:13,822
Any time you go too close to
one of these stories,
it would disappear.

582
00:47:14,746 --> 00:47:17,825
I never told anyone about us.

583
00:47:17,826 --> 00:47:21,455
He called it "the plan",
and I was all in on it.

584
00:47:21,456 --> 00:47:22,654
It was our future.

585
00:47:22,655 --> 00:47:27,934
But most of the time, I
just felt like he was gone
and he was actually gone.

586
00:47:27,935 --> 00:47:30,101
Like he would disappear for
days.

587
00:47:30,102 --> 00:47:34,369
And when he’d show it up again,
he’d apologize and apologize.

588
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:37,669
Say how important
everything he was doing was.

589
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:41,981
Be romantic for a day,
then get back to normal
and then disappear again.

590
00:47:41,982 --> 00:47:47,316
There’s a very clear
difference and everybody
figure it out pretty quickly.

591
00:47:47,317 --> 00:47:50,187
Investigating Warden’s
personal life is okay.

592
00:47:50,188 --> 00:47:52,585
He kind of dances with you.
He likes the mystery

593
00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:56,028
investigating what was going on
in Warden’s professional life.

594
00:47:56,029 --> 00:48:00,659
Some of the things the
city was doing,
that’s when you get the threats.

595
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:04,631
How do you silence
someone in the 21st century?

596
00:48:05,137 --> 00:48:07,908
It doesn’t look like the old
way.

597
00:48:07,909 --> 00:48:12,737
As humans, we hunt for patterns,
we’re told, all the time.

598
00:48:12,738 --> 00:48:14,915
History repeats itself, right?

599
00:48:14,916 --> 00:48:17,918
So we’re very good at spotting

600
00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:21,922
the last threat to a free
society.

601
00:48:21,923 --> 00:48:23,418
Book burnings. Canceled
elections.

602
00:48:23,419 --> 00:48:27,488
Thugs marching in the
street. No way. You’re not
going to slip that by us.

603
00:48:27,489 --> 00:48:31,063
But then we pour all our energy
into convincing people

604
00:48:31,064 --> 00:48:35,232
that what we’re seeing now
is just like the last thing.

605
00:48:35,233 --> 00:48:41,910
Problem is when people
realize, no, it’s
not just like the last thing

606
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,307
they decide. It’s
not worth worrying about.

607
00:48:44,308 --> 00:48:49,708
So what we’re not good at
is spotting the next threat.

608
00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:54,284
These days, you don’t need thugs
going around knocking
on people’s doors.

609
00:48:54,285 --> 00:48:56,022
That’s inefficient. It’s ugly.

610
00:48:56,023 --> 00:48:57,991
You don’t need to say
a word. You’re thugs.

611
00:48:57,992 --> 00:49:02,358
They don’t even have to be your
thugs.

612
00:49:02,359 --> 00:49:04,393
And I’ll ask you one more
question.

613
00:49:04,394 --> 00:49:06,934
Do you think about
your limitations sometimes?

614
00:49:06,935 --> 00:49:10,630
Like there’s something
you just can accomplish
no matter how

615
00:49:10,631 --> 00:49:13,468
strong or fast you are?

616
00:49:13,469 --> 00:49:14,865
No.

617
00:49:14,866 --> 00:49:17,274
No? No. Because I’m

618
00:49:17,275 --> 00:49:22,708
the least important part
of what’s happening
in Nova Sao Paulo.

619
00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:25,315
It’s not about what I’ve done.

620
00:49:25,316 --> 00:49:27,988
Everything I’ve accomplished
will vanish overnight.

621
00:49:27,989 --> 00:49:32,421
Without this movement,
these thousands of people,

622
00:49:32,422 --> 00:49:37,096
good people who know
the difference
between right and wrong

623
00:49:37,097 --> 00:49:39,857
and want to fight hard to make
this

624
00:49:39,858 --> 00:49:43,234
a better place for all of us to
live.

625
00:49:43,235 --> 00:49:47,535
In a way, people embraced Warden
for the same reason
they embraced

626
00:49:47,536 --> 00:49:51,737
superheroes during
other periods of
high social anxiety. In the U.S,

627
00:49:51,738 --> 00:49:54,377
you had superheroes going to war
for America in the 1940s,

628
00:49:54,378 --> 00:49:58,249
and then they were protecting us
from nuclear weapons
during the Cold War.

629
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,349
And then we saw them deployed

630
00:49:59,350 --> 00:50:02,154
as guardians looking out for us
after September the 11th.

631
00:50:02,155 --> 00:50:06,686
Now, I think during periods of
declining trust in institutions

632
00:50:06,687 --> 00:50:11,526
and a sort of societal unwinding
like what was happening
in Brazil,

633
00:50:11,527 --> 00:50:17,302
Warden looked to a lot of people
like the solution.

634
00:50:50,401 --> 00:50:56,241
It’s important to understand
how police works in Brazil,
there’s two types.

635
00:50:56,242 --> 00:50:58,111
The military police who are
responsible

636
00:50:58,112 --> 00:51:02,973
for patrolling the streets,
enforcing laws, and
the civil police

637
00:51:02,974 --> 00:51:06,977
who are mostly responsible
for investigating crime.

638
00:51:06,978 --> 00:51:09,980
One might catch a criminal in
the act

639
00:51:09,981 --> 00:51:13,489
and take him to the other
for arrest and investigation.

640
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:19,297
So dividing the responsibilities
that you might find in another
country’s police department.

641
00:51:19,298 --> 00:51:25,205
But both sides answer
to the state
secretary of public security.

642
00:51:37,712 --> 00:51:40,120
There have been more complaints
about Warden

643
00:51:40,121 --> 00:51:43,453
interfering with police work,
costing them cases.

644
00:51:43,454 --> 00:51:47,688
So the Secretary of Public
Security decided that he needed

645
00:51:47,689 --> 00:51:52,022
to get on the same page
with Warden, and they need
to get it in writing.

646
00:51:52,023 --> 00:51:57,567
So Warden’s people go, sure,
here are our terms.

647
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:10,315
His people didn’t explain it,
didn’t try to convince anybody.

648
00:52:10,316 --> 00:52:14,749
It was just, here
you go, take it or leave it.

649
00:52:25,397 --> 00:52:28,993
And none of that mattered
when Warden wanted
to get rid of him.

650
00:52:28,994 --> 00:52:34,933
If Warden was against someone,
it didn’t matter what his
supporters thought before.

651
00:52:34,934 --> 00:52:36,836
Suddenly everyone was in
lockstep.

652
00:52:36,837 --> 00:52:39,036
It was just like with Davi
Lopes.

653
00:52:39,037 --> 00:52:40,774
Warden’s concern.
The concern of his team was

654
00:52:40,775 --> 00:52:44,976
that the Secretary became less
interested in protecting
the residents of this city

655
00:52:44,977 --> 00:52:49,486
and more interested in
protecting himself
and some shady interests.

656
00:52:49,487 --> 00:52:52,225
Warden’s position was that
the Governor should appoint

657
00:52:52,226 --> 00:52:53,919
Michel Borba
as the new Secretary.

658
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,494
Michel Borba was the head
of the Cyber Crimes Unit,

659
00:52:57,495 --> 00:53:00,167
at the Warden’s Justice
Initiative.

660
00:53:00,168 --> 00:53:01,234
And Warden’s

661
00:53:01,235 --> 00:53:03,434
argument, reasonably, was that

662
00:53:03,435 --> 00:53:05,667
his cybercrimes unit
was pioneering the crime

663
00:53:05,668 --> 00:53:09,638
fighting technology
that the police
would use in the coming years.

664
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:13,104
So why not put him
in charge? It was simple.

665
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:23,586
So now Warden is asking
for a voice in the
political process.

666
00:53:23,587 --> 00:53:24,752
A very large voice.

667
00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:27,117
And I can’t blame
the governor for listening.

668
00:53:27,118 --> 00:53:30,659
How do you go up against
the most popular personality
in the world

669
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:33,695
who, by the way, uses
violence professionally?

670
00:53:33,696 --> 00:53:36,467
The newest move from Warden
has raised alarm from critics

671
00:53:36,468 --> 00:53:41,374
who warn that Brazil’s
justice system
is bending to serve one man.

672
00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:58,049
At that point, I knew that if
Warden wanted anything,

673
00:53:58,050 --> 00:53:59,623
he was going to get it.

674
00:54:18,411 --> 00:54:22,514
The 19th of June.

675
00:54:23,713 --> 00:54:26,616
Essentially the whole city
coming together

676
00:54:26,617 --> 00:54:31,016
for a big party, was going to be
bigger than the last carnival.

677
00:54:31,017 --> 00:54:33,987
But this was was Warden’s
carnival.

678
00:54:34,757 --> 00:54:38,761
They were expecting hundreds
and thousands of people.

679
00:54:41,467 --> 00:54:43,568
And then...

680
00:55:00,486 --> 00:55:04,457
I had never, ever
seen him like he was that day.

681
00:55:07,592 --> 00:55:13,598
He said that he could feel
himself losing control
like he liked it when

682
00:55:14,027 --> 00:55:16,193
he killed that man.

683
00:55:16,194 --> 00:55:18,899
You couldn’t stop saying I did
this.

684
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:19,801
He came after me.

685
00:55:19,802 --> 00:55:23,311
He blamed himself
and he said it would
never happen again.

686
00:55:25,379 --> 00:55:26,907
It was a young man
who several years earlier

687
00:55:26,908 --> 00:55:32,144
had been removed from the police
after a series of disciplinary
problems.

688
00:55:32,947 --> 00:55:37,457
He seemed to have developed
some kind of obsession
with Warden.

689
00:55:38,326 --> 00:55:41,889
He killed 33 people in less
than 2 minutes

690
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:45,091
before a thankfully Warden
could stop him.

691
00:55:46,301 --> 00:55:49,259
Immediately, people were asking
questions.

692
00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:56,200
You know, there had been
murders under Warden’s watch,
but this one was different.

693
00:55:56,201 --> 00:55:59,907
Mass shootings like these
are not common in Brazil.

694
00:55:59,908 --> 00:56:02,943
And never on this scale
and in broad daylight.

695
00:56:02,944 --> 00:56:05,177
The victims were families.

696
00:56:05,848 --> 00:56:08,455
Kids.

697
00:56:46,955 --> 00:56:50,056
There was a sense that Warden’s
enemies were lurking everywhere.

698
00:56:50,057 --> 00:56:54,698
They were in corporate
boardrooms, the local
newsrooms, but especially

699
00:56:54,699 --> 00:57:01,903
they were in government, he
was sure, and his supporters
especially were sure.

700
00:57:01,904 --> 00:57:04,609
But this was their way, his
enemies way of

701
00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:08,514
of shaking their confidence
in him, the sense that he
was protecting.

702
00:57:08,515 --> 00:57:14,179
And I’ll be honest with
you, there was conspiracy
theory from the other side

703
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:17,424
that Warden had planned the
attack

704
00:57:17,425 --> 00:57:18,458
as a false flag operation,

705
00:57:18,459 --> 00:57:22,892
and he would use that panic
to unleash the next phase of

706
00:57:23,728 --> 00:57:26,192
whatever he wanted.

707
00:57:27,259 --> 00:57:29,436
I think a lot of the wilder
claims that my office

708
00:57:29,437 --> 00:57:34,034
was giving credence to
conspiracy theories
and so on, even at the time,

709
00:57:34,035 --> 00:57:37,334
it was fairly clear
that those claims were
advanced by people

710
00:57:37,335 --> 00:57:41,206
with a political agenda
who wanted
to discredit the justice system.

711
00:57:41,207 --> 00:57:45,782
What I saw from the vantage
of my office was a series
of troubling connections.

712
00:57:45,783 --> 00:57:49,621
Now, those connections
may not have amounted
to anything,

713
00:57:49,622 --> 00:57:55,089
but I was obligated to pursue
the truth wherever it took me.

714
00:57:56,189 --> 00:57:59,158
I don’t think he slept for a
month.

715
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,501
You know, he looked
at the guy, the shooter,

716
00:58:01,502 --> 00:58:04,669
and he saw the whole system
trying to defend itself.

717
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:07,606
You know, like a disease body
rejecting medicine.

718
00:58:07,607 --> 00:58:12,710
He said that he could
finally understand
how far they were willing to go

719
00:58:12,711 --> 00:58:16,175
and that he was going
to fight back.

720
00:58:16,176 --> 00:58:17,980
Who benefits?

721
00:58:18,486 --> 00:58:19,585
Just smells funny.

722
00:58:19,586 --> 00:58:21,686
I’m just asking questions.

723
00:58:21,687 --> 00:58:23,754
Movies and TV and comic books

724
00:58:23,755 --> 00:58:29,155
have trained us for decades
to look behind the scenes
for the hidden hand.

725
00:58:29,156 --> 00:58:34,667
It just makes stories
more interesting
and it’s perfect for our brains,

726
00:58:35,195 --> 00:58:37,031
cause and effect patterns.

727
00:58:37,032 --> 00:58:42,102
If something happens, it’s
because someone wanted
it to happen.

728
00:58:42,103 --> 00:58:43,136
Randomness, coincidences.

729
00:58:43,137 --> 00:58:44,434
There’s nothing interesting
about that.

730
00:58:44,435 --> 00:58:47,481
Oh, and if you don’t
see the patterns,
if you think a coincidence

731
00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:52,981
is just a coincidence, there’s
an explanation for that.
You’re a sheep.

732
00:58:52,982 --> 00:58:57,150
And I asked him how he felt
about the whole thing.

733
00:58:57,151 --> 00:59:00,450
Did he actually think
that these people were willing

734
00:59:00,451 --> 00:59:04,696
to kill women and children
just to make him look bad?

735
00:59:04,697 --> 00:59:07,534
And he said, I was naive, like
used to be.

736
00:59:07,535 --> 00:59:10,900
And I honestly didn’t know
anything about corruption
and I didn’t know

737
00:59:10,901 --> 00:59:16,543
how far people were
willing to go
just to, you know, stop change.

738
00:59:16,544 --> 00:59:21,549
He said that he needed to be
ready to go as far as they were.

739
00:59:22,308 --> 00:59:25,344
That was a shift in him.

740
00:59:36,663 --> 00:59:38,961
The companies
decided that they needed

741
00:59:38,962 --> 00:59:42,360
to signal that they were in the
right side of the Warden issue.

742
00:59:42,361 --> 00:59:45,737
You saw the Warden sign in
people’s profile pictures.

743
00:59:45,738 --> 00:59:48,674
You saw the resignations
at different companies.

744
00:59:48,675 --> 00:59:51,579
You could feel the temperature
rising.

745
01:01:30,744 --> 01:01:34,109
In these circles, there was
this feeling

746
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:38,047
that the walls were closing in
on the bad guys.

747
01:01:38,048 --> 01:01:40,610
And it kept everything
at this fever pitch.

748
01:01:40,611 --> 01:01:45,318
There were these incidents
where teachers, middle school
or high school teachers

749
01:01:45,319 --> 01:01:50,125
would say something
that sounded skeptical of Warden

750
01:01:50,126 --> 01:01:53,700
or some of the actions
he seemed to be endorsing.

751
01:01:53,701 --> 01:01:55,933
And some student would hear it
posted on

752
01:01:55,934 --> 01:02:00,774
social media and there would
be a wave of harassment.

753
01:02:01,203 --> 01:02:02,071
See, the Internet

754
01:02:02,072 --> 01:02:05,437
was the perfect hothouse
for these things to grow in.

755
01:02:05,438 --> 01:02:08,682
Some of those teachers
had to leave the city.

756
01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:14,051
I can tell you the city
felt tense in a way I’d
never experienced before.

757
01:02:14,447 --> 01:02:17,757
One day you’ll see Warden
walking down, shaking hands

758
01:02:17,758 --> 01:02:21,761
and talking about
how we’re all cleaning
this place up.

759
01:02:21,762 --> 01:02:25,226
The next day, you’d see them
fighting wildfires
or rescuing people

760
01:02:25,227 --> 01:02:29,428
in mudslides, just in case
you forgot what he
could do to you

761
01:02:29,429 --> 01:02:33,037
if you didn’t get with the
program.

762
01:02:36,601 --> 01:02:38,778
So at this time,
every time you talk to him,

763
01:02:38,779 --> 01:02:43,948
it would be about his enemies,
his enemies in this
radio station

764
01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:48,349
or, you know, the office
that’s working against him and.

765
01:02:48,756 --> 01:02:50,647
I really wanted to be on his
side.

766
01:02:50,648 --> 01:02:55,388
You know, I really wanted our
relationship to be something
apart from all of this.

767
01:02:55,389 --> 01:02:58,391
And it was actually the point
of keeping it a secret.

768
01:02:58,392 --> 01:03:00,800
But at this point,
I just feel like
he’s testing me.

769
01:03:00,801 --> 01:03:05,531
He’d want to see my phone.
He’d want to know who
I was talking to.

770
01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:07,631
And at some point

771
01:03:07,632 --> 01:03:11,041
in the streets I
started noticing
some people following me.

772
01:03:11,042 --> 01:03:14,672
So I went back home and I asked
him

773
01:03:15,442 --> 01:03:19,512
and he said, Yes,
it’s for your own safety.

774
01:03:21,789 --> 01:03:23,317
That was the limit for me.

775
01:03:23,318 --> 01:03:27,860
I told him he was turning
into someone I didn’t know
and that he really needed

776
01:03:27,861 --> 01:03:30,555
to think if he wanted
to keep going on a path

777
01:03:30,556 --> 01:03:36,561
that was making him so
unhappy in that I definitely
wasn’t going with him

778
01:03:36,562 --> 01:03:40,698
and I didn’t really see myself
anywhere in here.

779
01:03:40,808 --> 01:03:43,040
I always think it’s ironic
that when you have a leader

780
01:03:43,041 --> 01:03:48,980
who sees plotters and coups
everywhere, it becomes a
self-fulfilling prophecy.

781
01:03:48,981 --> 01:03:50,014
And the more they lash out

782
01:03:50,015 --> 01:03:53,887
at their imaginary enemies,
the more real enemies they make.

783
01:04:08,066 --> 01:04:10,001
I had been talking to Davi on
background

784
01:04:10,002 --> 01:04:14,632
and I told him about
this conversation
I had with a police officer.

785
01:04:14,633 --> 01:04:19,011
He’d gotten a call and gone to
the scene.

786
01:04:20,243 --> 01:04:23,443
The suspect essentially

787
01:04:23,444 --> 01:04:27,546
it been what I would describe
as tortured and killed
by Warden.

788
01:04:27,547 --> 01:04:33,651
But the officer decides
to investigate
a little further and he realizes

789
01:04:33,652 --> 01:04:35,829
and he has the proof

790
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:38,755
that Warden got the wrong guy.

791
01:04:38,756 --> 01:04:42,463
It tortured and killed an
innocent man.

792
01:04:43,871 --> 01:04:48,370
It’s just. Beyond words.

793
01:04:49,008 --> 01:04:50,800
So the officer, you know,

794
01:04:50,801 --> 01:04:53,704
does the paperwork, files the
report

795
01:04:53,705 --> 01:04:58,853
and his boss tells him
to destroy all the evidence.

796
01:04:59,117 --> 01:05:00,920
So he goes to his boss. His
boss and.

797
01:05:00,921 --> 01:05:06,860
And what they on this guy’s
table is a photo of him
shaking hands with Warden.

798
01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:12,867
So the officer takes one
look at that photo and decides

799
01:05:12,966 --> 01:05:16,365
it’s clearly not safe for me
to know what I know.

800
01:05:17,971 --> 01:05:19,301
So I’m going to shut up.

801
01:05:19,302 --> 01:05:22,535
It wasn’t just police officers
that were starting to talk.

802
01:05:22,536 --> 01:05:27,804
It was like a handful of people
in the State Attorney
General’s office,

803
01:05:27,805 --> 01:05:34,383
a handful of people in the
courts, a few teachers, a
bunch of journalists.

804
01:05:36,121 --> 01:05:38,848
At this point, everyone is
communicating separately.

805
01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:43,688
There’s this feeling of paranoia
that if the wrong person

806
01:05:43,689 --> 01:05:48,198
gets wind of this,
something terrible could
happen to you.

807
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,903
It’s called the coordination
problem.

808
01:05:49,904 --> 01:05:54,534
Nobody wants to be the
soldier that jumps out of a
trench and gets gunned down.

809
01:05:54,535 --> 01:05:56,635
But if everybody jumps out
at the same time,

810
01:05:56,636 --> 01:05:59,803
there’s a decent chance
that some of
them will make it to the target.

811
01:05:59,804 --> 01:06:05,116
The problem is, how do
you know anybody’s
going to jump out with you,

812
01:06:05,117 --> 01:06:09,550
especially when you don’t even
know who else is in the trench?

813
01:06:20,198 --> 01:06:23,431
After I told Davi about this
story.

814
01:06:23,432 --> 01:06:28,535
He said to me, You know,
there are other
people who had similar stories.

815
01:06:28,536 --> 01:06:31,109
I said, How many?

816
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:32,947
There were a lot.

817
01:06:33,706 --> 01:06:34,640
He showed me a video,

818
01:06:34,641 --> 01:06:39,513
something the Brazilian
Hero producers tried to bury.

819
01:06:39,514 --> 01:06:44,222
There’s a man and he’s taunting
Warden

820
01:06:44,552 --> 01:06:49,590
and Warden just snapped. Killed
him.

821
01:06:54,892 --> 01:06:58,236
I felt sick.

822
01:07:09,709 --> 01:07:13,811
So I guess you could say
I’m getting used to this
superhero thing.

823
01:07:13,812 --> 01:07:17,782
I’ve stopped some bad guys
and helped to fix my hometown,

824
01:07:17,783 --> 01:07:20,994
and I’ve learned more about my
powers.

825
01:07:20,995 --> 01:07:25,691
More importantly,
I’ve gotten to connect
with people. Still.

826
01:07:25,692 --> 01:07:29,794
It’s a funny thing
being called a superhero
all the time.

827
01:07:29,795 --> 01:07:33,436
Maybe this is the year
when everything changes.

828
01:07:42,214 --> 01:07:45,645
I was in the front yard
when my wife called out to me.

829
01:07:45,646 --> 01:07:47,581
Turn the news on.

830
01:07:47,582 --> 01:07:48,714
And I thought, oh, shit.

831
01:07:48,715 --> 01:07:51,684
Disturbing images
emerging today from what sources

832
01:07:51,685 --> 01:07:53,917
and the prosecutor’s office
in Nova, Sao Paulo

833
01:07:53,918 --> 01:07:58,857
say was an act of
brutality carried out by Warden.

834
01:08:13,146 --> 01:08:18,844
Guard the skeletons in Warden’s
closet, Literally
and figuratively.

835
01:08:24,421 --> 01:08:28,160
I walked away that morning.

836
01:08:28,161 --> 01:08:29,524
You know, it comes to a point
where

837
01:08:29,525 --> 01:08:33,198
the whole thing that
you’ve constructed,
something gets inside

838
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,927
and it’s just really easy
to tear the whole thing down.

839
01:08:36,928 --> 01:08:40,832
He had been calling me and
texting me the whole day,
but I wasn’t answering.

840
01:08:40,833 --> 01:08:45,540
So he showed up at my apartment,
just furious that
these people for,

841
01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:50,579
you know, try and destroy him
and at me for being
on their side.

842
01:08:51,382 --> 01:08:55,715
And I told him I was done
and he didn’t like that.

843
01:08:55,716 --> 01:09:00,456
And honestly, that was. Scary.

844
01:09:00,457 --> 01:09:03,888
He said that there were people
trying to hurt me, that he was

845
01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:06,660
the only one keeping me safe

846
01:09:06,661 --> 01:09:10,863
and I wasn’t saying anything. I
was done.

847
01:09:11,501 --> 01:09:13,568
So he got really quiet

848
01:09:13,569 --> 01:09:17,474
and he said, You’re
not a part of this anymore.

849
01:09:17,804 --> 01:09:20,741
And then he just left.

850
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,412
Reports from Brazil that Warden
has left

851
01:09:22,413 --> 01:09:26,911
Nova Sao Paulo amid
a wave of explosive
allegations in recent days.

852
01:09:26,912 --> 01:09:30,123
We knew immediately
that this was
the product of a sophisticated

853
01:09:30,124 --> 01:09:36,086
media operation and there
was really no effort to
hide it or hide the agenda.

854
01:09:37,362 --> 01:09:43,202
I think that people from
Nova Sao Paulo saw right
through it. I really do.

855
01:09:43,203 --> 01:09:46,965
But the national media
has its own imperatives. Right?

856
01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:49,242
And they smell the story.

857
01:12:27,092 --> 01:12:33,405
7:14 a.m... A search warrant
was issued for the Justice
Initiative Building.

858
01:12:33,406 --> 01:12:37,772
At 7:20, the military police
deployed its forces to

859
01:12:37,773 --> 01:12:40,677
Sao Paulo to take him into
custody.

860
01:13:57,523 --> 01:14:01,152
The police had assembled their
forces along a two kilometer

861
01:14:01,153 --> 01:14:05,431
perimeter around a building
sort of sending a message like,

862
01:14:05,432 --> 01:14:09,227
look, we are serious,
but we don’t have to do this.

863
01:14:10,899 --> 01:14:12,504
That’s when Warden showed up.

864
01:14:12,505 --> 01:14:17,609
This was the first time anybody
had seen him since the
story came out,

865
01:15:35,346 --> 01:15:37,083
In his mind.

866
01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:39,690
This is the ultimate battle,

867
01:15:39,691 --> 01:15:41,285
good versus evil.

868
01:15:41,286 --> 01:15:43,793
He’s defending his city.

869
01:15:43,794 --> 01:15:46,323
This is what superheroes do.

870
01:15:46,324 --> 01:15:50,800
The police basic doctrine
was we acknowledge

871
01:15:50,801 --> 01:15:55,970
that any one officer, any
hundred is no match for Warden.

872
01:15:55,971 --> 01:15:57,367
But he can’t be everywhere at
once.

873
01:15:57,368 --> 01:16:01,107
So we’re going to advance and
presume that he is not going

874
01:16:01,108 --> 01:16:06,013
to start a bloodbath
with thousands
of civilian lives on the line.

875
01:16:06,014 --> 01:16:09,556
And we’re going to dare
him to fire the first shot.

876
01:16:10,821 --> 01:16:12,383
He accepted.

877
01:16:15,628 --> 01:16:16,661
I didn’t think

878
01:16:16,662 --> 01:16:19,532
whether it was safe from the
studio.

879
01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:24,834
It was just these words
repeating over and over
"just get through it".

880
01:16:24,835 --> 01:16:26,198
"just get through it"

881
01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:28,970
It takes 2 hours for the Army
to take the first block.

882
01:16:28,971 --> 01:16:30,939
Fighting continues
to rage in Nova Sao Paulo.

883
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:36,583
Well, after dark, the
White House issuing a
statement urging all sides.

884
01:16:37,276 --> 01:16:38,815
It was taking its toll.

885
01:16:38,816 --> 01:16:41,444
A big toll was police against
civilians.

886
01:16:41,445 --> 01:16:45,481
Warden was doing damage
but trying to avoid
a body count.

887
01:16:45,482 --> 01:16:49,562
Shocking images of violence
in the streets
of Nova Sao Paulo as residents

888
01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:53,830
gathered as an act of
protest that appears
to have descended into violence.

889
01:16:53,831 --> 01:16:55,458
This brawl.

890
01:16:55,459 --> 01:16:59,034
People in masks just tearing
into each other.

891
01:17:07,977 --> 01:17:09,714
As bad as it was for the police.

892
01:17:09,715 --> 01:17:12,684
They’re taking territory,
they’re holding it,

893
01:17:12,685 --> 01:17:15,148
and they’re pacifying
the civilian population.

894
01:17:15,149 --> 01:17:19,218
Finally that evening,
they have a tight cordon
around Warden’s

895
01:17:19,219 --> 01:17:23,761
building and more police units
mobilizing.

896
01:17:23,762 --> 01:17:25,290
He’s surrounded.

897
01:17:25,291 --> 01:17:26,632
He’s not going anywhere.

898
01:17:26,633 --> 01:17:29,162
Now, this is the dilemma.

899
01:17:29,163 --> 01:17:31,428
There’s only one way into that
building.

900
01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:36,499
And the police know that
they’re not going in
there without losing

901
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,909
hundreds of troops
and possibly more civilians.

902
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:44,650
They’re not going to be able to
arrest Warden. It’s a siege.

903
01:17:44,651 --> 01:17:47,951
And the plan was to see
how far Warden would go.

904
01:17:53,484 --> 01:17:56,057
And now you’ve got pressure
on the Governor.

905
01:17:56,058 --> 01:17:57,520
You’ve got the President
calling.

906
01:17:57,521 --> 01:18:00,963
You’ve got casualties, damage
in the water and power

907
01:18:00,964 --> 01:18:05,000
supplies, the possibility of
unrest in other cities.

908
01:18:05,001 --> 01:18:07,464
Everything is pushing
toward a fast resolution.

909
01:18:07,465 --> 01:18:13,107
And I think it occurred to
a lot of people, especially
around Warden,

910
01:18:13,108 --> 01:18:16,110
that times like these times of
crisis

911
01:18:16,111 --> 01:18:20,378
are when you get to make the big
changes to your wish list.

912
01:18:20,379 --> 01:18:21,753
Warden did his part

913
01:18:21,754 --> 01:18:25,350
and he faced those policemen,
thousands of them, outside
his building,

914
01:18:25,351 --> 01:18:29,552
and he made it clear
that he wasn’t going
to abandon his city.

915
01:18:29,553 --> 01:18:33,325
My job was to make sure
that this incursion

916
01:18:33,326 --> 01:18:36,329
didn’t turn into facts on the
ground.

917
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:51,607
This was the deal.

918
01:18:51,608 --> 01:18:55,721
The state would withdraw
all of its
emergency forces out of the city

919
01:18:55,722 --> 01:18:59,219
and the state will allow
the city to govern its
affairs in accordance

920
01:18:59,220 --> 01:19:02,057
with the wishes of
the people who lived here.

921
01:19:02,058 --> 01:19:04,323
That meant holding a vote, a
plebiscite.

922
01:19:04,324 --> 01:19:08,624
The people from Nova Sao
Paulo would decide
whether to investigate Warden

923
01:19:08,625 --> 01:19:13,365
or give him the legal tools
he needed to best serve the city

924
01:19:13,366 --> 01:19:14,498
and to the rest of the country.

925
01:19:14,499 --> 01:19:17,403
It was a statement
We want our business,
you mind yours

926
01:19:18,602 --> 01:19:22,440
and by our example
we’ll show you
that we’ve got the better way.

927
01:19:22,441 --> 01:19:23,441
Voters in Nova Sao Paulo

928
01:19:23,442 --> 01:19:27,676
They’ll decide whether
to grant Warden
sweeping new powers or leave

929
01:19:27,677 --> 01:19:29,051
the justice system intact.

930
01:19:29,052 --> 01:19:30,580
Warden has promised
to abide by the result,

931
01:19:30,581 --> 01:19:36,521
even if a no vote would force
him to face prosecution by
the state government.

932
01:20:19,267 --> 01:20:23,402
There’s this thing that a lot of
us think that the king,

933
01:20:23,403 --> 01:20:28,375
the emperor, just marches
up to the throne
and says, I’m in charge now.

934
01:20:28,848 --> 01:20:30,475
But that’s not true.

935
01:20:30,476 --> 01:20:31,850
That’s not how it happens.

936
01:20:31,851 --> 01:20:36,954
The first Roman emperor
was given his powers
one at a time

937
01:20:36,955 --> 01:20:42,355
by the Senate to save the
republic.

938
01:20:42,356 --> 01:20:44,797
They didn’t even call him the
emperor.

939
01:20:44,798 --> 01:20:47,426
They called him the Princeps.

940
01:20:47,427 --> 01:20:49,901
It meant first citizen.

941
01:20:49,902 --> 01:20:52,871
On the surface, it was the
status quo.

942
01:20:52,872 --> 01:20:58,009
But behind the scenes, Warden
had been given a state
within a state,

943
01:20:58,273 --> 01:20:59,339
he could run things his way.

944
01:20:59,340 --> 01:21:02,573
Whatever that meant on any given
day, and anybody who didn’t like

945
01:21:02,574 --> 01:21:05,577
could just get the hell out.

946
01:21:06,215 --> 01:21:09,317
I left as soon as the fighting
stopped.

947
01:21:10,087 --> 01:21:13,518
It felt like witness protection,

948
01:21:13,519 --> 01:21:17,830
you know, new city, new home,
new friends.

949
01:21:17,831 --> 01:21:21,328
And I know that if he wants to,
he’ll find me or
it’ll be someone

950
01:21:21,329 --> 01:21:25,630
he doesn’t even know
who wants to be part of
the movement. But.

951
01:21:26,565 --> 01:21:30,844
I wanted to tell the truth
first.

952
01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:16,020
I have been told the execs
from our parent company
were flying

953
01:22:16,021 --> 01:22:21,784
in the next morning to
meet with my producers
, so I knew that wasn’t good.

954
01:22:21,785 --> 01:22:25,722
People were already trying
to get me off the air.

955
01:22:25,723 --> 01:22:27,361
I was a liability.

956
01:22:27,362 --> 01:22:29,858
And with the meeting happening,

957
01:22:29,859 --> 01:22:35,765
I pretty much knew that night
would be my last broadcast.

958
01:22:35,766 --> 01:22:37,734
They were shooting right at the
messenger.

959
01:22:37,735 --> 01:22:43,410
So I received a call from my
boss in the UK headquarters.

960
01:22:43,411 --> 01:22:48,514
So very polite conversation
wherein I was informed

961
01:22:48,515 --> 01:22:54,058
that the owners had essentially
terminated

962
01:22:54,059 --> 01:22:57,358
the whole newsroom in Brazil,
effective immediately.

963
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:03,232
You look at the news coverage
since we left, I think
Warden’s been pretty happy.

964
01:23:03,233 --> 01:23:07,897
Warden was about
controlling the message.
But look

965
01:23:08,667 --> 01:23:11,537
Yeah. What’s that line?

966
01:23:11,538 --> 01:23:14,948
Democracy is the theory that.

967
01:23:15,608 --> 01:23:17,774
People know what they want

968
01:23:17,775 --> 01:23:22,989
and deserve to get it good and
hard.

969
01:23:24,782 --> 01:23:28,962
I think people. Got what they
asked for.

970
01:23:34,825 --> 01:23:39,566
I was very proud of the work
I done as a state
attorney general.

971
01:23:39,731 --> 01:23:40,863
But after speaking with Warden,

972
01:23:40,864 --> 01:23:45,043
we came to the conclusion
that I would best serve
the city as Mayor.

973
01:23:45,044 --> 01:23:47,342
And fortunately, people agreed.

974
01:23:47,343 --> 01:23:52,018
And I think all the work we did
speaks for itself.

975
01:23:53,184 --> 01:23:54,283
There’s no denying that.

976
01:23:54,284 --> 01:23:57,946
Nova Paulo, the city
that Romeu Filho and Warden

977
01:23:57,947 --> 01:24:00,994
are building will impress you.

978
01:24:01,456 --> 01:24:04,161
It wants to impress you.

979
01:24:04,162 --> 01:24:07,131
Its skyline is its own message.

980
01:24:07,132 --> 01:24:09,562
Look at what we can do.

981
01:24:09,563 --> 01:24:13,005
It’s one part Singapore, one
part Sparta.

982
01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:15,469
In this state of perpetual high
alert,

983
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:20,969
looking every day for attacks
from without and traitors
from within.

984
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:24,610
There it is. He has his city.

985
01:24:24,611 --> 01:24:27,250
He enforces the law his way.

986
01:24:27,251 --> 01:24:32,651
Frankly, I think it’s the
perfect expression of
what a superhero is.

987
01:24:32,652 --> 01:24:35,489
A lot of it, you’ll
recognize, looks the same.

988
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:37,920
But there’s an iron curtain.

989
01:24:37,921 --> 01:24:42,529
You don’t get a lot of news
that’s real. You get rumors.

990
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:46,698
Now, Warden is doing less
and less public appearances.

991
01:24:46,699 --> 01:24:48,865
He is spending more time alone.

992
01:24:48,866 --> 01:24:52,209
He’s angrier. He’s paranoid.

993
01:24:52,210 --> 01:24:54,574
He sees enemies and rats
everywhere.

994
01:24:54,575 --> 01:24:57,874
Ever since people came forward
about him.

995
01:24:57,875 --> 01:25:01,383
Now, if you live in Nova Sao
Paulo,

996
01:25:01,384 --> 01:25:04,881
you’re going to think twice
before criticizing Warden.

997
01:25:04,882 --> 01:25:06,751
And if you read anything about
the city,

998
01:25:06,752 --> 01:25:09,820
it’s because Warden
allowed it to be published.

999
01:25:09,821 --> 01:25:14,528
Anything else gets branded
a conspiracy theory
and shouted down.

1000
01:25:14,529 --> 01:25:18,565
So the truth is getting
murkier and murkier,

1001
01:25:18,566 --> 01:25:24,506
and the collective sense of
reality is slipping away.

1002
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:06,910
You hear his obsessed with his
legacy.

1003
01:26:06,911 --> 01:26:10,287
He needs to know what comes
after him.

1004
01:26:10,288 --> 01:26:11,420
You hear about researchers.

1005
01:26:11,421 --> 01:26:17,019
He has them doing experiments
trying to duplicate
whatever made him

1006
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:19,494
everything he swore not to do.

1007
01:26:19,495 --> 01:26:25,797
Criminals. Suspects disappear,
but

1008
01:26:25,798 --> 01:26:30,638
We don’t know that. Romeu Filho
keeps it under guard

1009
01:26:31,342 --> 01:26:33,640
the new way can’t be wrong.

1010
01:26:33,641 --> 01:26:35,279
It’s still too much
to gain for the winners.

1011
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,449
So the message from everyone
every day, business, news

1012
01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:42,286
is that the city is thriving.

1013
01:26:42,287 --> 01:26:44,585
The city is safe.

1014
01:26:44,586 --> 01:26:46,257
The city is defying its critics.

1015
01:26:46,258 --> 01:26:50,195
It’s silenced the doubts.
It’s kicked out the traitors.

1016
01:26:50,196 --> 01:26:52,197
It’s found a better way.

1017
01:26:52,198 --> 01:26:53,991
It has its Warden.

1018
01:26:54,794 --> 01:26:58,303
And now the real work can begin.