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What was
she saying?

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- We have found sufficient
grounds to charge

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five adult males
with sexual assault.

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- Five former Canadian
World Junior hockey players

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are accused of sexually
assaulting a woman in 2018.

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This is a pretty
unique case

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because hockey has such
a special place

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in Canadian society.

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- This trial is about consent.

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- This was her chance
to tell her story

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and to hold people accountable
for what happened in that night.

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- One pulls her ponytail
and another picks her up.

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And you could see
they're all sort of sharing her

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in that moment.

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- I can tell you right now,
there's not one single woman

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that I know that would want

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to be in a room
in that situation.

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- At one point, Brett Howden
texts Taylor Raddysh,

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"Dude, I'm so happy I left
when all the shit went down."

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My job is to report on facts

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that I see, and so,
the facts are unbelievable.

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Well, I'm in London
because tomorrow,

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five players go on trial
for sexual assault.

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We are gonna be here Monday
to Friday, every day,

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for the next couple months,
just trying to do our best

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to portray it accurately
and fairly.

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And then, of course,

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we'll be here for the verdict.

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It certainly, it's interesting
that this case is unfolding

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in London
because this is like

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any Hockey Town, Canada. Right?

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It's a town where
the London Knights

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are such a high profile
and powerful local organization,

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with so much influence.

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You see that when
you, you know, walk downtown,

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in the moments before
a playoff game.

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Like, the London Knights
are perennial winners

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in the Ontario Hockey League.

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And again, the fact that
the trial is happening here,

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you could make an argument that,
in a way, like,

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the culture of junior hockey

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is just as much on trial here
as the five players are.

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For 100 years,

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as long as hockey's been around,

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it has been something
that Canadians worship.

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In a lot of ways,
it's like the church itself.

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And these young players
who come through

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junior hockey teams
live a life of privilege.

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They often have not been
held accountable.

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And people who work in the game

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will say this happens
everywhere in society,

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not just hockey.
However, it does feel like

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there's a lot of incidents
in hockey.

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- If I had a daughter,

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I would never let her date
a hockey player.

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In early 2021,
I remember reading a story

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that was published by
a radio station in Chicago.

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And the story detailed how
a player who had been

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with the Chicago Blackhawks
in 2010,

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alleged that he was
sexually assaulted

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by one of his
coaches on that team.

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So, I wound up calling
the radio station and said,

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"Hey, I'd like to do a follow
on your story.

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I'd like to see this document,
this lawsuit."

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And they sent it to me.

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And so, throughout
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I wound up doing almost
50 stories on this case.

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And the story turned out
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where it was clear
the Blackhawks wanted to turn

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a blind eye to this allegation.

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They did not want
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All the players
in the locker-room

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knew it was happening.

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And that player,
who is Kyle Beach,

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came on TSN and
did an interview with us

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that ran almost 28 minutes.

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- I am a survivor.

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And I know I'm not alone.

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And I buried this for 10 years,
11 years.

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And it's destroyed me
from the inside out.

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And I hope that
this entire process

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can make a systematic change

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to make sure this never
happens again.

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- The day after we did that
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my emails and my direct messages

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started blowing up
with other people

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wanting to tell their stories.

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And in the four years
since we did that interview

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with Kyle Beach,
a week has not gone by

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that I have not received tips

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about abuse and harassment
in Canadian sports.

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Well, this case started
when I was working on a soccer,

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and I was zipping around
in Belgrade, scouting locations.

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And my phone rang.

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I didn't know
who the caller was.

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And so, I didn't pick it up,
and they, you know, rang again,

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and rang again and rang again,
and finally I answered it.

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And the person told me

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I need to get
to London, Ontario,

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and pull this file,

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because it was really important
to sports in Canada

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and to the future
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and I needed to know
what was going on.

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And so I did.

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And I remember being shocked
by what I was reading,

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and forwarding it
to my teammates at TSN,

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basically saying,
"Brace yourself.

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The stuff that's in this lawsuit
is really bad."

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A woman, who is referred to
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had filed a $3.5 million lawsuit

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against Hockey Canada,
the Canadian Hockey League,

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and eight players who were
referred to as John Does.

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And the allegations in that
lawsuit were horrible,

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outlining what she said
was a sexual assault

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that took place in a hotel,
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over the course of one evening

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and into early morning
in June 2018

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after a golf and gala event
that Hockey Canada hosted.

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In a statement
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Hockey Canada said,
"As soon as it became aware

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of this matter in 2018,

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it contacted local police
authorities to inform them."

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- I think the initial police
investigation

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could be best described
as rudimentary.

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I'm not aware of any
cell phones being seized

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at that point, any court orders,
any searches,

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any really in-depth inquiry.

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I think it was more
of taking E.M.'s statements

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and almost placating her
with some activity.

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- There was 20 players
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and the police closed
their investigation

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after interviewing four.

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Two of them in person.

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Well, it was
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the police made the call
there'd be no charges laid.

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And there was a period
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and regression. And ultimately,

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E.M. reappeared and wanted
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The primary route,
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is through lawsuit.

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And she voluntarily took
a polygraph

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with respect to her statement
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and passed it.

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- The polygraph process
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two-and-a-half to three hours.

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It's at 90 to 95% accurate.

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I was involved initially
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Did a polygraph for the victim,
E.M.

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I read the synopsis,
prepared the questions.

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Based on that,
I went to their office,

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conducted the test there.

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I came to the conclusion that...

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that she was being truthful.

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- Her result was neither
deceptive nor unreliable.

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It was well into the reliable,
truthful zone.

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- Hockey Canada came on
pretty strong and fast

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and resolved the case,
I think, within 34 days.

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So, a civil lawsuit
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not the first.

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And I think that should be
crystal clear.

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E.M. wanted this very private,

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and I was a little surprised
at how quick it leaked out.

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That reporting really
jarred Canadians.

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If you remember, it led to
a parliamentary hearing.

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It led to complete upheaval
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where some of the most
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of that organization
were forced out.

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And there was outrage
when Canadians learned

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that Hockey Canada had
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to pay off sexual assault
allegations,

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which was kept a secret
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- It settled 21 sexual
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totalling close to $9 million
in compensation.

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- The story had broken around
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So, once that hit the media,
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wanted to make sure
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as well as it could have been.

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So, the day I was assigned
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I reviewed it that morning,
and then I called her.

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I wanted her to know from me
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reopening the investigation.

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She was upset.

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She said that she thought
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was going to be done.
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she thought that she was going
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So, I think this was hard
for her, yeah.

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My assessment was that
more could have been done.

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I found some gaps
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that I thought could be filled.

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just more information out there

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that could have helped us

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come to a more
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if that makes sense.

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- We begin with breaking news.

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London Police are reopening
a criminal investigation

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related to the 2018 sexual
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involving former CHL
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- I wanted to interview
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'Cause the thing
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is that teammates talk, right?

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didn't have firsthand
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I knew not every player
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I just knew there was more
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So, obviously, I wanted to know

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who was in the room,
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who said what, who saw what?

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I quickly formed grounds
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a criminal offence
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and the players
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learned about that
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that we had written warrants
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So, they chose not to cooperate
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which is, they're well within
the right to do that.

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But that did put up
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Not long after the event,
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whether they were doing it
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or maybe, you know,
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We don't know.
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my assessment,
which was that I did feel

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that those five players
committed sexual assault

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that night, and then I gave it
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And it wasn't until
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that we learned that five
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were going to be charged.

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- I want to extend

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on behalf of
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my sincerest apology
to the victim...

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to her family...

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for the amount of time

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that it has taken
to reach this point.

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- Rick Westhead,
he uncovered this story

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and he stayed on this story.

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And I think he gets a lot of
credit for breaking the story,

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and not enough for just
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and seeing it through.

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It's a good lesson to all of us

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that the hard stories

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are the ones
that need to be told.

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- Journalism has taken
some punches in recent years,

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right? The...

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The public trust of what we do

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has never been lower.

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There's disinformation
everywhere.

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There's social media
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where some of them
are self-inflicted,

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where people feel like they have
to chase retweets and likes,

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and follower counts,
and you know,

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do things for the algorithm.

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But...

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I think that when you look
at stories

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that take a real investment
of resources and time,

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and that's this story,
this has taken a long time

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and a lot of resources,

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there's a public good in this.

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And the public is served
by having media

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that do take their time,

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and that are invested
in doing journalism,

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and that are committed
to holding

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powerful organizations
accountable

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and speaking truth to power.

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It's still important.

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First one here.

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You want to be
in the courtroom because...

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what we do as journalists
is more than write down

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what people say, it's observing.

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It's watching the mannerisms
of jurors.

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It's watching how
they respond to testimony.

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It's watching body language.

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The judges, the defendants,

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are they sitting up straight
in their chairs?

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Are they talking
a lot to their lawyers?

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Are they taking notes?
It's worth getting up early for,

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for sure, to make sure
that you're going to be able

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to document that in person.

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- It's really a unique case

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as it relates
to sexual assault cases

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and the impact on communities.

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- The Crown Attorney
on this case,

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Meaghan Cunningham, is the chair
of a sexual violence group

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for the province of Ontario.

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The Defence lawyers in this case

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are the best lawyers
in the province

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when it comes to defending
these types of cases.

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So, this is like the best
of the best in the legal world.

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It's going to be a nuanced,
heavyweight fight.

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The standard of proof for
a criminal sexual assault trial

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is really high.
This is a jury trial,

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and so, that means that
for these players

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to be convicted,

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each of those 12 jurors
is going to have to believe

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that this case has been proven
beyond a reasonable doubt.

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- To be crystal clear,
there's no money in this

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for E.M., her civil case
is done and gone.

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There's no ability to re-sue.

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The players and the leagues
and everything are all

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signed off. So, this is strictly
a criminal prosecution

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with no ulterior motive,

303
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and I think that people
need to understand that.

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- You know, she didn't have
to prove anything to anybody.

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Her family loved her,
believed her.

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She felt that this was
the right thing to do.

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She felt she should stand up
for others

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and for herself,

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and hold those responsible
accountable.

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- It's not how much she drank.
It's not what she was wearing.

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It's not the type of guy

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she wanted to have sex with
that night.

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This trial is about consent.

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And did the accused
get consent

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from her for each sexual act?

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Did she give consent freely
and enthusiastically?

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And that is what this trial
is about.

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Yeah, well, we're back
in court tomorrow morning

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at 9:30, and we will hear
the government,

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the Crown Prosecutor, you know,

321
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detail the government's case

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against these five
co-defendants.

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Well, today was a very long day.

324
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It was just really interesting
to watch, you know,

325
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kind of firsthand how
the justice system works.

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Today was also interesting
because it was the first time

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that we'd actually seen
all of these five

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hockey players, co-defendants,

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in a courtroom together
at the same time.

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And so, we saw Michael McLeod
come in,

331
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you know, a former prospect
with the New Jersey Devils.

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You know,
we saw Carter Hart come in,

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the goalie
for the Philadelphia Flyers,

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not too long ago.
There was Dillon Dubé,

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who was the captain of that 2018
World Juniors team

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for Canada and a player
in the Calgary Flames system.

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And then you had Cal Foote,
you know, another pro prospect.

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And Alex Formenton,

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who had been a forward
with the Ottawa Senators.

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So, you know, all those players
came in

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clean-shaven,
wearing dark suits

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and white dress shirts,

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you know, looking...

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looking every bit
like the kind of players

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that we see walking
into hockey rinks

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with a cup of coffee before
important NHL playoff games.

347
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Pretty striking difference,
though,

348
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where they were going today.

349
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It's hard to imagine

350
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what it feels like to know
that your,

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you know, your freedom
is on the line,

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that your life's hanging
in the balance,

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that you could be found guilty
of a crime and go to prison.

354
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We've been here before
with hockey

355
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and with incidents
that shouldn't happen.

356
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And every time something
happens that's really bad,

357
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there's a promise like,
oh, we've got to make sure

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it never happens again.

359
00:19:28,459 --> 00:19:32,620
And then, you know, I wonder if

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people really have followed
through on these promises

361
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to make change and improve
the safety measures?

362
00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:44,440
Because the news cycle
moves fast

363
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,820
and people's attention,
you know,

364
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shifts to the next thing
so quickly.

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So, the window to try
to affect change

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and try to like,
convince the federal government,

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for instance, to do a better job

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at holding sports
organizations accountable,

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that window is not...
not very big.

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We're going to meet today
with Olivier Dubois.

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He's the captain
of the Sherbrooke team

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in the Quebec Maritime
Junior Hockey League.

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And he's going to talk to us
about his experiences

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playing junior hockey
and how he...

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is trying to make the game
better for young players

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that are coming after him.

377
00:20:36,380 --> 00:20:37,980
- Hey.
- Good morning. Bon matin.

378
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- How are you?
- Nice to see you.

379
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- Yeah.

380
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- How are you today?
- Great.

381
00:20:42,380 --> 00:20:44,340
Good. Great, great, you?
- Thank you.

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00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:46,100
- That's my billet house.

383
00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:47,560
- This is the billet house, eh?
- Yeah.

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It's a big, beautiful place.

385
00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:50,640
- This is where you spend
all your time sleeping.

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00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,580
- Yeah. And eating.
- And eating.

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00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:54,460
The two things
hockey players do well.

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00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,560
- Yeah, really.

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00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,970
I've played hockey
my whole life,

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basically, since I was like,
two years old.

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When I grew up, it was always
all about hockey.

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And I entered the league
when I was 17

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in Rouyn-Noranda,
and then it's been three years

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since I'm in Sherbrooke.

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It's hard to describe
how difficult that is

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00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:14,980
when you go away
when you're 16 or 17.

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Maybe you're not even really
shaving yet,

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00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,420
and you're playing with guys
who are 20, who are men.

399
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,880
- Yeah, it's... the gap,

400
00:21:23,140 --> 00:21:27,140
it's only four or five years,
but at this time of our life,

401
00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:29,960
it's a big difference.
When you're 16, 17, you...

402
00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:34,080
you don't know nothing about
how the cues work

403
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,900
and how lives work, even.

404
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,560
- Can I ask you a little bit
about some of the pressures

405
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,519
that you felt regarding
alcohol and girls?

406
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,540
- I didn't drink before,
that much.

407
00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:48,700
Um, I was in secondary
and didn't have that time.

408
00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,900
And I was not a party guy
either, so...

409
00:21:50,970 --> 00:21:54,109
But then in Rouyn-Noranda,
it was like,

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00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:56,780
everyone's drunk, so you said,
everyone seemed to have fun,

411
00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:59,160
they're drunk,
and I'm gonna get drunk too,

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to fit with them.
So it's, I don't think

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00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,440
it's a, maybe that's...

414
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,900
the pressure you put to yourself
just to fit in,

415
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,580
to be accepted as a group.

416
00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:11,200
Maybe that's why the pressure
is there for drinking.

417
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,100
- What about the attitudes
the players had then

418
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,180
towards young women,
towards girls?

419
00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:20,180
- I think it's a big part
of our conversation.

420
00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:22,120
When I entered the league,
they told me,

421
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,880
you have a girlfriend,
no you don't need a girlfriend,

422
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:25,880
you need to...

423
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,360
to live the life
of a hockey QMJ player.

424
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,140
Live the life of everything.

425
00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,460
It's the party,
the girls, everything.

426
00:22:34,460 --> 00:22:36,560
But with experience,
with maturity,

427
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720
I feel it's stupid
because you're here,

428
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,640
we're here to play hockey
and to study.

429
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,840
And when you start
focusing on girls,

430
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,980
or whatever the outcome of it,

431
00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:47,960
you focus less on working hard,

432
00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,220
performing in school
and in hockey.

433
00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:56,810
The part about this
trial in London

434
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:59,070
that I was least excited about

435
00:22:59,709 --> 00:23:01,689
was missing hockey
with my buddies

436
00:23:01,689 --> 00:23:03,010
and playing on the weekend, too.

437
00:23:03,310 --> 00:23:05,010
So, this is really
going to be nice

438
00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:07,449
to get back and skate
a little bit.

439
00:23:11,643 --> 00:23:13,825
Oh!

440
00:23:13,869 --> 00:23:16,230
I grew up in a small
town, Brockville, Ontario.

441
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:19,549
Played AAA up until the age
of 16,

442
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:22,309
where I was lucky enough to go
to Ridley College and play.

443
00:23:22,429 --> 00:23:24,569
And then I ended up going
to school at Acadia University

444
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:27,010
to do my undergrad,
where I joined the Acadia Axemen

445
00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:28,010
for two years.

446
00:23:30,130 --> 00:23:31,610
What are some
of the things you've seen

447
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,070
or heard about?
- Well, a lot of people

448
00:23:33,070 --> 00:23:36,630
think that hazing
and group cohesion are,

449
00:23:36,897 --> 00:23:37,897
it's the same, right?
If you get,

450
00:23:38,035 --> 00:23:41,330
or if you're hazing someone,
it's adding to group cohesion,

451
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:43,350
which is not true at all.
- Right.

452
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:45,790
- There's a complete difference
between team building

453
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:48,109
and hazing.
And a lot of players, I feel,

454
00:23:48,109 --> 00:23:50,030
put themselves
in these situations,

455
00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:52,490
or agree to get hazed
because they just want

456
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:53,570
to be part of the team, right?

457
00:23:53,849 --> 00:23:56,309
Because players,
what they fear the most

458
00:23:56,309 --> 00:23:59,349
is not being part of the group.
Yes, exactly.

459
00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:01,649
- What have you seen that way
in terms of the guys

460
00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,570
that you've played with,
how they treat women,

461
00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:05,070
how they deal with women?

462
00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:06,929
- You know, people shrug it off

463
00:24:06,929 --> 00:24:10,050
as locker-room talk
or just boys being boys or...

464
00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:12,370
- What kind of talk?
- Just about, like,

465
00:24:12,729 --> 00:24:14,449
how many girls you've been with.

466
00:24:14,468 --> 00:24:16,939
Or, you know, like,

467
00:24:16,939 --> 00:24:18,669
did you have sex on the weekend?

468
00:24:18,669 --> 00:24:20,790
Or did you take that girl home
from the bar?

469
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:23,789
Um, and I think that's just
so normalized that,

470
00:24:23,917 --> 00:24:26,076
like, people don't actually,
like, really, like,

471
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,754
take a second and think back
to, like, you know,

472
00:24:28,883 --> 00:24:31,906
we're, you know, degrading
and objectifying women.

473
00:24:31,949 --> 00:24:33,969
And then I think it affects,
you know, players later on

474
00:24:34,169 --> 00:24:36,169
after they're done hockey,
like, how they socialize

475
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:38,389
with women outside of,
you know, the hockey rink.

476
00:24:38,449 --> 00:24:41,230
- Have you heard, like,
in the context of talking

477
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:45,049
about women, this phrase,
like, "the kill count",

478
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:48,730
referring to how many women
somebody's slept with?

479
00:24:48,949 --> 00:24:50,709
- Yeah, that's a large part
of the game.

480
00:24:51,329 --> 00:24:53,329
Is, it's almost like
a hierarchy, right?

481
00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:55,050
The more girls you slept with,

482
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:56,610
the more kind of respect
you get,

483
00:24:57,809 --> 00:25:00,350
which is just insane
to think about.

484
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,870
Like, that's kind of like
how it runs.

485
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,389
People don't think
that it's actually something,

486
00:25:06,009 --> 00:25:07,230
like a cause for concern.

487
00:25:07,429 --> 00:25:09,770
If we don't talk about it,
then nothing's going to change,

488
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:12,190
and we're going to continue
to, you know,

489
00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:15,149
see these sexual assault
allegations, these hazing,

490
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:16,669
these abuse charges.

491
00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:24,189
- Just days after it started,

492
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:26,590
an Ontario judge declared
a mistrial.

493
00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:30,370
The Crown made
their opening statement,

494
00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:34,050
and it was, I thought, like,
a very strong opening statement.

495
00:25:34,589 --> 00:25:38,169
And then we were all dismissed
for lunch.

496
00:25:38,369 --> 00:25:40,589
And there's, you know,
there's limited options

497
00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:42,070
you can go to for lunch.

498
00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:44,730
But there's like,
this crowded marketplace.

499
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:46,709
When we came back from lunch,

500
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:48,990
the judge said something
to the effect of,

501
00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:50,830
something happened
at the lunch break

502
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:52,790
that we're going to need
to address.

503
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:57,230
- You know, one of the lawyers
bumped into a juror

504
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:59,790
at a market that's right around
the corner from the courthouse

505
00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:01,969
over the lunch hour,
and they had some sort

506
00:26:01,969 --> 00:26:04,630
of conversation,
and then that blew up.

507
00:26:05,009 --> 00:26:08,269
- She was behind the attorney
in line.

508
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:10,429
The attorney turns to her

509
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:13,110
and says something
to the effect of,

510
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:15,769
"There's a lot of head nodding
this morning."

511
00:26:16,169 --> 00:26:19,449
And so anyways, this juror
tells her friend on the jury,

512
00:26:20,409 --> 00:26:24,869
That juror is like, "Wow,
that doesn't sound proper."

513
00:26:25,949 --> 00:26:29,590
- The judge determined
that the jury pool

514
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:31,889
had been tainted
because they had shared

515
00:26:31,889 --> 00:26:33,790
with one another
what these lawyers

516
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:36,290
allegedly did in the market.

517
00:26:37,409 --> 00:26:41,830
I just think it goes to show
how easily a jury pool

518
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:44,709
can be tainted or a juror
can have the wrong impression.

519
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:51,330
- The woman at the centre
of a high-profile trial

520
00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:54,189
of five former World Junior
hockey players

521
00:26:54,189 --> 00:26:57,169
testified today about
the night in 2018

522
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:59,869
when she says she was
sexually assaulted.

523
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,440
- Her first couple of days
were incredibly compelling,

524
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,800
and I found her to be
a very credible witness.

525
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
And part of the reason
I feel that way

526
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,240
is I was surprised
with how upfront and transparent

527
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,200
she was about
what she did not know

528
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,580
and what she did not remember.

529
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:23,100
She was very forthright
about saying,

530
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,540
"I don't know who that was."

531
00:27:25,059 --> 00:27:27,400
"I'm not sure about that."
"I don't recall."

532
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:33,170
- She just wanted to get
her story out there,

533
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:36,789
her truth out there,
which I know

534
00:27:36,866 --> 00:27:39,886
Justice Carroccia didn't like,
but um...

535
00:27:39,924 --> 00:27:41,627
We didn't know what to expect.
You never know what to expect

536
00:27:41,705 --> 00:27:43,718
from a victim
when it comes to testifying.

537
00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:46,776
But, yeah, she blew me away.

538
00:27:50,299 --> 00:27:54,119
- Well, this is downtown London.
This is Richmond Street.

539
00:27:54,699 --> 00:27:58,000
And on the night
of June 18th, 2018,

540
00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:03,159
Hockey Canada gathered here
with members of Canada's

541
00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,600
2018 World Junior team

542
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,460
to celebrate their gold medal

543
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:09,200
and to give the players
championship rings.

544
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:11,540
When the ceremony was over,

545
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:13,520
the players went back
to the hotel

546
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,680
and then went out to party.

547
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:19,440
So, the players came here

548
00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,880
to Jack's Bar across the street.

549
00:28:22,639 --> 00:28:24,320
There was a call made
ahead of time

550
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,880
so they wouldn't have to wait
on line.

551
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,260
So, but the Team Canada players
came in,

552
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,120
skipped the line,
and went right in.

553
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,819
So, the surveillance video
footage shows that

554
00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:35,676
they got here around 11:30,

555
00:28:35,771 --> 00:28:37,772
roughly the same time
that E.M. arrived

556
00:28:37,867 --> 00:28:40,010
in the bar with her friends.

557
00:28:40,059 --> 00:28:42,639
- You know, this isn't some
fan of hockey at any level.

558
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:46,040
It's really just coincidence
that these are the people

559
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,620
that, you know, she ran into,
or they ran into her.

560
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:53,399
- She was going out dancing
with some of her colleagues,

561
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040
new workers. She was feeling
a little bit nervous.

562
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,899
So, she said she had two
Mike's Hard Lemonade at home.

563
00:29:00,459 --> 00:29:01,940
And then when she got here,

564
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
was pretty aggressive
with her drinking.

565
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:08,480
- I mean, it gave us an idea
of how many drinks E.M. had,

566
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,980
and it also, it corroborated
a lot of what she told us.

567
00:29:12,269 --> 00:29:15,879
The surveillance video
shows that the players

568
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,220
were dancing with E.M.,

569
00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:21,780
you know, on a very crowded,
packed dance floor.

570
00:29:22,019 --> 00:29:24,339
- There's this particularly
haunting footage

571
00:29:25,139 --> 00:29:28,139
where she sort of ping-pongs
between the different men.

572
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,800
They're circling her
on the dance floor.

573
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,380
One pulls her ponytail,
another slaps her buttocks,

574
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:35,760
and another picks her
up. And you could see

575
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,580
they're all sort of sharing her
in that moment.

576
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,500
It's like, you know,
sharks gathering a seal

577
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,079
to kind of share
amongst themselves.

578
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,299
- The way in which
they circled E.M. at the bar

579
00:29:50,439 --> 00:29:52,560
and circled her
on the dance floor,

580
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:56,420
and there was just something,

581
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:58,940
I'm going to say,
primal about that.

582
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,819
There was pack behaviour.

583
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:04,480
That's what I want to call it,
pack behaviour.

584
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,220
I mean, she was outnumbered.

585
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,500
- We basically got assigned
by our editor.

586
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:14,480
He was like,
"I want you to go to London,

587
00:30:15,139 --> 00:30:16,940
talk to as many people
as you can.

588
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,960
I want you to recreate
what that weekend looked like."

589
00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:22,980
We found another woman
that encountered that group

590
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,040
that night at the bar,

591
00:30:25,699 --> 00:30:27,960
talking about her experience

592
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,899
from Jack's that night
and encountering this big group.

593
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:34,899
Them being pretty aggressive
in sort of like, you know,

594
00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:37,159
trying to glom onto her,

595
00:30:37,723 --> 00:30:40,495
or trying to, you know,
make advances toward her.

596
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,260
There was one particular player

597
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:45,720
that he kept kind of trying
to pass her off

598
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,040
to a bunch of different
teammates.

599
00:30:47,159 --> 00:30:49,540
Like, it became clear
to her at some point

600
00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:51,740
that he was not just interested

601
00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:55,260
in having some sort of
interaction with her.

602
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:58,200
He clearly wanted her
to be interacting

603
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,920
with his teammates as well.

604
00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:11,330
And when he asked her
to go home that night,

605
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:14,590
he asked her
to go home with them.

606
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:18,590
And so, that has always
struck me

607
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:22,190
because there are a lot
of similarities

608
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:24,870
between what she told us

609
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:28,850
and what E.M. recounts
from that night.

610
00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:32,890
And so, for me,
that was very impactful.

611
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:38,090
- The defence was arguing
that E.M. had every opportunity

612
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:40,330
to leave Jack's Bar
with her friends,

613
00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:44,490
and she made the choice to stay
and drink and party with them.

614
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:46,470
And I don't think
she denies that,

615
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:48,970
because E.M. never denied
in this case

616
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:51,830
that she willingly left
Jack's Bar

617
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:53,290
and went with Michael McLeod,

618
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:55,690
and that if she
wasn't so drunk,

619
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:57,290
she wouldn't have. But she did,

620
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:00,490
and she went and had consensual
sex with Michael McLeod.

621
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:03,530
And after that is when
she says everything changed.

622
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:05,610
- After they have sex,

623
00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:08,550
she goes into the bathroom
to clean herself up.

624
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:11,830
And she says when she comes out
of the bathroom,

625
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:14,970
more men are in the room,
and she's shocked.

626
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:17,670
- You know, he secretly
sent a text message

627
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,990
to his teammates asking
who was up for a three-way.

628
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:24,070
- Then Carter Hart texts, like,

629
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:25,530
I think five minutes later,
"I'm in."

630
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:28,910
- His lawyer suggests
that wasn't the case.

631
00:32:28,910 --> 00:32:30,750
That she actually said,

632
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:31,930
why don't you invite
all of your--

633
00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:34,399
Why don't you invite
all of your friends back here

634
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,848
for a wild time?

635
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:38,650
So, you know, it's interesting

636
00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:41,670
because one of the last bits
of evidence that we did see

637
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,850
in the case was an interview
that Michael McLeod did

638
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:47,130
with London Police
in late 2018.

639
00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:49,830
In that interview,
when he's told

640
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:52,090
about what the allegation
is against him,

641
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:56,350
he never says E.M. asked me

642
00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:58,230
to invite my whole team
back here.

643
00:32:59,450 --> 00:33:01,290
And I would think that
if you're being called in

644
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:03,390
and told that you're being
accused of sexual assault,

645
00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:05,390
if she had asked for that,

646
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:08,650
you would have said that
50 times, not just once.

647
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,320
When you guys
finish having sex,

648
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:18,420
what happens from there?

649
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,639
- So in 2018, he does not talk
about sending a three-way text.

650
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,460
That doesn't come up.
And then in 2022,

651
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,800
he added that...

652
00:34:30,259 --> 00:34:32,699
E.M. wanted him
to send the text message.

653
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,539
That he sent it because
she asked him to.

654
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:36,619
So, 2022 was the first time
we'd heard that.

655
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:43,190
- What makes this case
interesting is, in 2022,

656
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:46,210
Hockey Canada reopened
its investigation

657
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:48,789
after the public learned
of this,

658
00:34:48,789 --> 00:34:50,570
and after there was
public outrage.

659
00:34:50,929 --> 00:34:53,090
The organization said that,
you know,

660
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:55,090
players who didn't participate
and cooperate

661
00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:58,870
in the investigation could face
mandatory lifetime bans.

662
00:34:59,470 --> 00:35:01,830
And so, at that time,
all these players agreed,

663
00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:03,270
Okay, well, we'll cooperate.

664
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:07,050
And their statements that they
gave to Hockey Canada in 2022,

665
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:10,790
the Crown Attorney in this case
says that there was many,

666
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:12,530
many, many inconsistencies

667
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:14,810
in what they told Hockey Canada
in 2022,

668
00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:17,150
compared to what they told
the London Police

669
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:18,210
four years earlier.

670
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:21,110
Alex Formenton, who's one
of the players who's charged,

671
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:24,210
in 2022, in his first interview,

672
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:26,210
he told a Hockey Canada
investigator

673
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,429
that he never saw Dillon Dubé
slap E.M.

674
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:31,590
But then four days later,

675
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:33,450
he asked for another interview.

676
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:37,389
He admitted that he had not been
truthful in his first interview.

677
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:40,710
He said that Dillon Dubé
and Cal Foote

678
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:43,250
had asked him
not to talk about

679
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:45,210
any of this
when he was questioned.

680
00:35:46,658 --> 00:35:50,386
So what happened--
because in the pretrial hearings

681
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:51,870
in this case, a judge
who was overseeing that,

682
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:57,030
he decided that those statements
in 2022 were coerced.

683
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:59,330
That the players
weren't there voluntarily,

684
00:35:59,630 --> 00:36:02,030
that they were only there
because they were worried

685
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:03,490
that they would be banned
for life

686
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:04,390
if they didn't cooperate.

687
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:06,690
And so, all of
those statements from 2022

688
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:08,630
are not admissible
in this trial.

689
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:10,890
So, E.M. is on the stand

690
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:12,190
and is cross-examined on
all of their--

691
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:13,470
all of her statements.

692
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:15,850
But if the players
take the stand,

693
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:19,110
they can't be cross-examined
on anything they said in 2022

694
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:21,610
to Hockey Canada
because all of those statements

695
00:36:21,610 --> 00:36:22,610
have been tossed out.

696
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,660
What weighed
on my decision to form grounds

697
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:30,680
that an offence was committed
that night was,

698
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,519
were the inconsistencies
in the statements,

699
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:33,780
and that didn't come out
in trial

700
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,000
because the 2022 statements
were excluded.

701
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:40,080
And then you had E.M.'s
statements in 2018

702
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,320
and, you know, she had a written
statement in 2022

703
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,880
that was spoken about
in trial as well.

704
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,420
And you just didn't see
the same inconsistencies.

705
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,140
Like, none of them
were perfect, right?

706
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:52,460
Nobody tells the same story
the exact same way

707
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:53,460
over seven years.

708
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,940
But I had some real concerns
with what some of the players

709
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,100
were saying,
sort of to this person,

710
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,400
and what they were saying
to that person.

711
00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,140
I think it would have been
important for...

712
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,780
the trier of fact to hear,
hear the different stories

713
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,740
and how the players'
versions of events

714
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:12,740
sort of evolved over the years.

715
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:22,409
I met Catherine Laroche
a couple years ago.

716
00:37:23,050 --> 00:37:28,610
I'd seen her story reported
in a French newspaper in Quebec.

717
00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:32,389
And, you know, it really made
an impression on me.

718
00:37:32,469 --> 00:37:36,250
This woman who had said
she'd been sexually assaulted

719
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:38,510
by a prominent junior
hockey player

720
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:41,929
who went on to be a star
in the National Hockey League.

721
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:45,490
And, you know, then decided
to kind of take charge

722
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:49,130
of her own story
and figured out how to,

723
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:52,830
you know, start a program
educating young players

724
00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:55,250
about what healthy
relationships look like.

725
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,720
I was raped
at the age of 23.

726
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:04,360
And like, there was so many
stories like of,

727
00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:06,760
"Ah, the guys took GHB

728
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,980
because alcohol makes them
gain weight.

729
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:11,244
So, you took the wrong
water bottle.

730
00:38:11,244 --> 00:38:12,343
You slept with that guy."

731
00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:14,029
And that's when I was like,
"What? Who?"

732
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,380
I didn't even know who he was.

733
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:18,960
I think I said hi, but I, like,

734
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,100
I wasn't in flirt mode
or anything.

735
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,980
So, I called him, though.

736
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:26,080
Like, I wanted to know,
we had a sexual relation.

737
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:29,980
And he's like,
"Yeah, you liked it."

738
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:32,640
I was like, "Okay, but they said
that you found me unconscious."

739
00:38:33,279 --> 00:38:35,660
He's like, "Yeah, at one point
you said you were gonna be sick,

740
00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:39,760
so, like, I, I took off
and you went into the bathroom."

741
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
He's like, "Can you just
please not talk about that?

742
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,180
Because I'm about to sign
with the NHL

743
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:46,360
and it could mess up my career."

744
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,340
And at that point
where I had a low self-esteem

745
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:52,180
and a very doubtful mind,
I said, okay.

746
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:56,840
When I became a mom in 2018
and 2020,

747
00:38:57,580 --> 00:39:00,340
that's when I decided
to go to the police.

748
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,460
And it took a year-and-a-half
after I went to the police,

749
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:05,160
before they told me,
"Okay, we're ready

750
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,780
to start questioning
the witness."

751
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,260
And when they told me
we're ready,

752
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:10,420
well, I wasn't anymore.

753
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:12,920
So, I decided, like,
instead of going me against him,

754
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,660
I wanted to educate
people like him

755
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,240
to prevent people like me
getting hurt.

756
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,280
That's my story.

757
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:34,300
I work with
15-25 right now,

758
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,900
and I'm so hopeful
because those guys,

759
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,280
first of all, they're tired
of wearing the label

760
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,380
of what comes with being
a hockey player.

761
00:39:43,019 --> 00:39:45,300
And they are so open-minded.

762
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:07,260
Repressing, that's what humans

763
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:09,500
are used to do.
And to repress and put that

764
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,840
behind without really looking

765
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:16,880
to the real raw
and shadowy parts,

766
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,320
it will go again.
We have to face the real things.

767
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:21,660
We have to see them.

768
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:54,879
There's a journalist who used

769
00:40:54,879 --> 00:40:56,919
to work with 60 Minutes.
He's passed away.

770
00:40:57,099 --> 00:40:59,759
He covered a lot of like,
conflict zones and wars.

771
00:40:59,919 --> 00:41:00,960
His name was Bob Simon.

772
00:41:01,419 --> 00:41:04,019
And he was killed
in a car accident in New York.

773
00:41:04,399 --> 00:41:08,140
And I always liked his line
about journalism, which was,

774
00:41:08,859 --> 00:41:09,899
you know,
"If it's really important

775
00:41:09,899 --> 00:41:11,120
for you to be popular,

776
00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:13,200
then this is the wrong
career choice."

777
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,399
So, and that's, that's,
that's true.

778
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,859
You know, we do this
because it matters.

779
00:41:18,859 --> 00:41:22,819
We do it because the reporting
is in the public interest.

780
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,260
And... and journalism is like

781
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:29,560
a foundation of our democracy,
right?

782
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,419
It's our job
as journalists to...

783
00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:35,040
to watch the people
who are in power in government

784
00:41:35,859 --> 00:41:38,219
and hold them accountable
for what they're doing.

785
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:46,170
One of the key pieces
of evidence that we heard

786
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,090
both pretty early
and pretty often

787
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:52,050
is this group text invitation

788
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:54,690
that Mike McLeod makes
to his teammates of,

789
00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:56,950
"I've got a girl in the room

790
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:59,150
who wants to have a three-way.
Mikey."

791
00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:01,490
- I think regardless
of whether or not

792
00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:03,750
you think these guys
are innocent,

793
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:06,690
it's disgusting to read
these text messages.

794
00:42:06,830 --> 00:42:08,630
It's really quite horrifying.

795
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:10,670
There's something about
the way in which they talk

796
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:12,150
about it so casually.
It seems like something

797
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,890
they're used to doing.
They're inviting one another.

798
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:19,210
- There was 19 players
in that group chat.

799
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:22,510
It did stand out to me that
not one person thought like,

800
00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:23,789
hey, wait a second,
are you serious?

801
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:27,730
You know, not one person sort of
questioned the text message.

802
00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:31,330
And it just, you know,
a three-way text goes out

803
00:42:31,330 --> 00:42:33,850
and within the next hour,
two hours, you know,

804
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:35,769
there's ten guys
in the room with E.M.

805
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:39,450
- There are additional texts
from that night.

806
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:43,190
He texted Taylor Raddysh,
asking if he wanted a gummer.

807
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:45,490
And then ran into Boris Katchouk
in the hallway

808
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:47,570
and asked if he wanted to come
in the hotel room for a gummer.

809
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:51,190
- Which is slang for oral sex.

810
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:55,510
- Boris Katchouk came back
to the room,

811
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:57,789
and he's not been accused
of any wrongdoing.

812
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:02,110
He's obviously not been charged.
But why did you show up?

813
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:04,890
And he showed up with pizza.

814
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:10,190
And E.M. was naked in the bed.

815
00:43:10,850 --> 00:43:13,130
And when Boris was asked,

816
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:15,110
"Did she say anything to you?"

817
00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,230
He said, "Yeah, she asked
for a bite of my pizza."

818
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:22,470
And the Crown naturally said,

819
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:23,730
"Well, did you
give her any pizza?"

820
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:26,110
- He gave a really weird
answer, like,

821
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:28,890
"I don't remember what I said,

822
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:31,670
but she did not
have a bite of pizza."

823
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:33,350
I found that...

824
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:37,910
just in really poor taste.
No pun intended.

825
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:40,010
She was good enough
to dance with,

826
00:43:40,769 --> 00:43:42,250
she's good enough to party with,

827
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:44,550
good enough to come back
to the room

828
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:46,890
to see what sort of three-way
might be happening,

829
00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:49,370
but not good enough to give
a bite of your pizza to?

830
00:43:51,110 --> 00:43:55,750
It was just a moment that
was especially dehumanizing,

831
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:57,770
is what comes to mind for me.

832
00:43:59,530 --> 00:44:02,310
She said after
she had sex with Michael McLeod,

833
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:04,170
other men entered
the hotel room.

834
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:07,330
She testified three men
pulled their pants down

835
00:44:07,330 --> 00:44:11,070
for oral sex, as others
in the room chanted, "Suck it."

836
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:15,190
And some allegedly spat on her.
Some slapped her buttocks.

837
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:17,150
Two of the players, she said,

838
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:18,730
had sex with her
in the bathroom.

839
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:22,030
She testified the men
in the room shouted and laughed.

840
00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:24,950
"It was all just a joke
to them," she said.

841
00:44:25,149 --> 00:44:27,010
E.M. said she cried at times,

842
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:28,530
but when she tried to leave,

843
00:44:28,769 --> 00:44:30,730
people would guide her
away from the door.

844
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:35,470
- One of the things that
has been debated

845
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:39,350
or a point of contention is...

846
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:41,770
how she felt.

847
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:44,370
And in her words,

848
00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:47,870
she describes feeling,

849
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:48,870
"Very fearful,

850
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:53,070
very nervous, very anxious."

851
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:56,230
- As E.M. testifies,
she says they wanted her

852
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:58,710
to get down on the floor
between them,

853
00:44:58,750 --> 00:45:00,730
and she says the hotel floor
is dirty.

854
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,610
And that's when they decide
to put the sheet down.

855
00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:05,570
So, they put a sheet down,
and they all surround her.

856
00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:08,610
At that point, they asked
her to masturbate.

857
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:11,950
I think she complied.
And as she described,

858
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:14,430
they spat on her,
and they took turns hitting her.

859
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:16,510
Some of them made
comments about,

860
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:18,370
it's gross even to say,
but they were there

861
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:20,530
for a golf tournament, so,
there were golf balls

862
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:22,260
and golf clubs around,
and they talk about

863
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:25,268
how many golf balls
they could fit up her vagina.

864
00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:27,269
And they also see--
ask whether or not

865
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:28,650
she could take a full golf club.

866
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:31,710
- I think when you find yourself
in that situation,

867
00:45:31,710 --> 00:45:34,070
you have to make
an assessment of,

868
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:37,750
do I go along with this,
or do I resist it?

869
00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:41,590
And if I resist it,
how bad could this get?

870
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:43,910
- And I think something
that's really been interesting,

871
00:45:44,410 --> 00:45:46,410
I think people forget
when you read about the case,

872
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:47,950
is these guys are enormous.

873
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:49,690
They're all at least
six feet tall,

874
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:53,010
or around there.
I mean, they're all 200 pounds.

875
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:55,430
And so, they're more threatening
than the average man.

876
00:45:55,789 --> 00:45:57,330
- When you're party
to conversations

877
00:45:57,330 --> 00:46:00,250
about people talking about
sticking a golf club inside you,

878
00:46:00,950 --> 00:46:03,010
you'd have some concerns
about how bad

879
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:05,670
this could get
if things got agitated.

880
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:11,130
Savard prompted E.M.,

881
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:13,450
"One of your coping mechanisms
on this unusual night

882
00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:15,310
may have been offering sex?"

883
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:18,170
E.M. replied, "I was not
acting like myself."

884
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:21,170
"You were acting like
a porn star?" Savard asked.

885
00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:23,789
"Yes, I feel that
was the thing they wanted.

886
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:27,110
They were trying to recreate
a porn scene," E.M. replied.

887
00:46:27,490 --> 00:46:30,350
- You know, when she agreed
that she'd taken on

888
00:46:30,350 --> 00:46:34,190
the persona of a porn star,
that was jarring to hear.

889
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,250
You know, it really kind of,
I think,

890
00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:41,810
started a lot of conversations
about what trauma response is

891
00:46:41,810 --> 00:46:43,430
and how people respond

892
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:46,490
in cases where
they're being traumatized.

893
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:53,170
- She experienced this mind
separating from her body.

894
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:58,030
And we know that to be a trauma
response of dissociation.

895
00:46:58,030 --> 00:47:02,870
And so, her testimony
was so meaningful

896
00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:04,670
to so many people

897
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:07,810
because they recognized
what she was talking about.

898
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:13,539
Going back to, like,
the idea of trauma response,

899
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:17,480
you don't always remember things
sequentially.

900
00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:20,300
And sometimes you...

901
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,820
can't recall a detail
of great import,

902
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:29,660
but then something
seemingly inconsequential

903
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:31,860
will be very vivid.

904
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,440
The detail that sticks out to me

905
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,840
is that she remembered one guy

906
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,840
sitting on the bed
eating chicken wings.

907
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,960
It struck me as
one of those details

908
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,860
that I wonder
if that has stuck with her?

909
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:54,930
- The sex assault trial
of five former

910
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:56,730
World Junior hockey players
continued

911
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,449
with the cross-examination
of the complainant.

912
00:47:59,449 --> 00:48:01,579
- It's the fifth day
of cross-examination.

913
00:48:02,010 --> 00:48:04,670
- E.M. still has many more
questions to answer

914
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:07,750
as the marathon
cross-examination continues.

915
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:10,730
- You know, I was talking
to a good friend of mine

916
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:13,490
who's a former sex crimes
prosecutor,

917
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:15,710
and she, like, was gobsmacked

918
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:19,270
when she heard that she was
on the stand for nine days.

919
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:22,570
She said she had never seen
or heard anything like that.

920
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,850
- Seven days
of cross-examination,

921
00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,229
how can that not be
re-traumatizing?

922
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:34,810
- She had to sit through
five defence lawyers

923
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:37,010
cross-examining her
about what happened,

924
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:39,889
trying to prove
that she was wrong.

925
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:42,510
- Their goal is,
I would imagine,

926
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:44,330
is to discredit her
at every level,

927
00:48:44,330 --> 00:48:46,270
to show what she's saying,
you can't believe.

928
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,570
- I'm not sure
any one of those accused

929
00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:50,150
could sit up there for
seven days

930
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:51,590
and take that kind of hammering.

931
00:48:54,030 --> 00:48:55,990
I had concerns
that we weren't going to get

932
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:59,970
through it, but then there
came a point where, you know,

933
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:01,730
she only got stronger,
every single day

934
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:02,590
after every break.

935
00:49:02,590 --> 00:49:06,170
- And then she gets
cross-examined by Dan Brown,

936
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:08,170
who's very aggressive.

937
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:11,270
He's trying to end the day
with a flourish

938
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:12,550
where he's saying, like,
you know,

939
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:16,010
"This is all a result
of the shame and embarrassment

940
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:17,630
from the choices you made."

941
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:19,770
And he tries to end
the day and say, like,

942
00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:20,790
"That's all for me,
Your Honour."

943
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:22,010
And she says at some point,

944
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:24,310
"No, I would like to finish."

945
00:49:24,730 --> 00:49:26,450
And she has the last word.

946
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:28,230
And she basically, like,

947
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:31,170
I am not going to get
pushed around.

948
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:33,330
And I am here for a reason.

949
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:37,130
This is a chance to stick up
for myself in a way

950
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:39,710
that I didn't and I couldn't
at the time,

951
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:41,989
but you are going
to hear that now.

952
00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:47,309
And I thought that was
a very powerful moment.

953
00:49:51,550 --> 00:49:54,850
I think that there
were some rape myths

954
00:49:54,932 --> 00:49:56,335
coming through in some
of the questioning of E.M.

955
00:49:56,390 --> 00:50:00,570
And you know, we have case law
that says that rape myths

956
00:50:00,570 --> 00:50:03,810
have no place in the courtroom
or the judicial system,

957
00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:06,850
but we have yet to see that,
I would say. Yeah.

958
00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:09,510
- So notably, they haven't asked
her about her sexual history,

959
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:11,050
though they did bring up
that she had

960
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:12,050
a boyfriend at the time.

961
00:50:13,070 --> 00:50:15,370
That, you could say,
is not related to her history.

962
00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:17,050
It's relevant to the case.

963
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:19,269
They ask her a lot about
how much she was drinking.

964
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:22,030
"Were you really that drunk
that you couldn't consent,

965
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,070
but also you must have been
too drunk to remember

966
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:25,070
exactly what happened?"

967
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:27,530
So, they toe
a lot of those lines.

968
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:29,810
But they ask her a lot about
the high heels she was wearing.

969
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:30,870
"If you were so drunk,

970
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:32,010
how could you walk
in such high heels?"

971
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:36,400
- I've heard the argument made
by men

972
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,250
who probably have not been
intoxicated in high heels,

973
00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:41,310
most of them.

974
00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:43,690
Yeah, you see her and McLeod

975
00:50:43,803 --> 00:50:45,414
walk up the stairs
through a lobby

976
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:47,090
and they're gone.
You know, they're on camera

977
00:50:47,090 --> 00:50:48,470
for maybe five or six seconds.

978
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:51,229
No, she doesn't stumble,
but it's not a video

979
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:53,690
that you can draw a ton
of conclusion from.

980
00:50:54,310 --> 00:50:57,299
- Every 20-year-old woman,
I would imagine, on Earth, like,

981
00:50:57,299 --> 00:51:00,370
is fairly adept at walking
in heels,

982
00:51:01,010 --> 00:51:03,740
even after, like,
you know, a night of drinking.

983
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:06,290
Like, I think a lot
of college women

984
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:07,490
are pretty confident in that.

985
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,940
- So, a lot of the guys
that I talk to,

986
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:15,280
especially WHL,

987
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:17,880
you really have to move
far away from that.

988
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:23,159
All of them say that, yeah,
hockey, absolutely love it.

989
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,100
But the challenges

990
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:27,220
of moving away from home

991
00:51:27,579 --> 00:51:30,019
and trying to be accepted
on a team.

992
00:51:30,739 --> 00:51:33,300
You know, you're 16 years old,
you're barely shaving.

993
00:51:33,353 --> 00:51:36,185
- Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- And your teammates are 20,

994
00:51:36,185 --> 00:51:36,990
and they're like, they're men,
right?

995
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:38,540
- Yeah.
- And just trying

996
00:51:38,540 --> 00:51:41,339
to be accepted, it's hard.
- Yeah.

997
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,920
- You know, it can be lonely.

998
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,920
A buddy of mine, Justin Davis,

999
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,740
he was drafted
Washington Capitals.

1000
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,540
He heard this year,

1001
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:52,140
that at a rookie party
in Ontario,

1002
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:54,927
there was this game,
you guys heard of this game,

1003
00:51:55,085 --> 00:51:57,926
"the dick beer"?
Where you have to do push--

1004
00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:59,240
So, all the first-year players

1005
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,400
had to do push-ups, naked,

1006
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:02,900
over a cup of beer.

1007
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:06,500
And their penis would go
into the beer

1008
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:08,500
because they had the cup there,
right?

1009
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:11,239
And the rookie who did
the fewest push-ups

1010
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,039
had to drink everyone's beer.

1011
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,500
This year, this season.

1012
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:18,159
How can that be happening
in 2024

1013
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:20,719
with all the stuff
we've read, right?

1014
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:22,079
- Yeah. I don't know.

1015
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,340
- My first, like,
when I went 16 years old,

1016
00:52:25,699 --> 00:52:28,980
in the Junior, like,
the veterans, I was a rookie.

1017
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:31,140
So, there was, like,

1018
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:34,420
a thing that we need to eat,

1019
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,140
like, a cereal
in the ass of someone.

1020
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:41,230
And... yeah.
- Okay.

1021
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:42,230
- For the rookie.

1022
00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:44,679
- One of my friend
also is in prison right now.

1023
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:45,720
- Nicolas Daigle?
- Yes.

1024
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:47,000
That's one of
my best friends.

1025
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:48,380
- Oh, I'm sorry.

1026
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,980
- Got the chance to see him.

1027
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:52,239
Had a lot of emotion about it.

1028
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,559
We all-- we all did.
I mean, it's...

1029
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,400
- How does he feel?
- Feel terrible.

1030
00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:59,600
- Regretful?
- Absolutely.

1031
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,480
Every day. But it's every--

1032
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,940
Every day that we're--
we can't talk to him,

1033
00:53:05,539 --> 00:53:06,860
it's a learning experience
for him.

1034
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,840
He wants to get out
and want to move on

1035
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,539
and live his life the
full as he can.

1036
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,519
But if you bring him back
in time, you know,

1037
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,159
definitely not making
the same mistake again.

1038
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,539
In Montreal,
meeting with Michel Bérubé.

1039
00:53:26,219 --> 00:53:30,159
Michel was the prosecutor
in a highly publicized case

1040
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:33,400
involving two junior hockey
players

1041
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:35,680
who were accused
of sexual assault

1042
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:36,700
and who pleaded guilty.

1043
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:41,169
I was thinking about
the first time I met you

1044
00:53:41,169 --> 00:53:42,410
was in court in Quebec.

1045
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:46,529
I had just come to hear
some of the pretrial arguments

1046
00:53:46,529 --> 00:53:50,669
in the case with Nicolas Diagle
and Massimo Siciliano.

1047
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:55,470
It's interesting,
some of the facts that came out

1048
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:57,770
in your case versus
the case in London.

1049
00:53:57,819 --> 00:53:58,819
And there have been
even the other,

1050
00:53:58,829 --> 00:54:01,889
there's another case
in Quebec recently

1051
00:54:01,889 --> 00:54:03,389
with three hockey players.

1052
00:54:03,989 --> 00:54:05,730
Noah Corson was 18.

1053
00:54:06,669 --> 00:54:08,389
The other two pleaded guilty.

1054
00:54:09,069 --> 00:54:12,629
In that case,
Noah Corson's lawyer suggested

1055
00:54:12,629 --> 00:54:16,710
that he received sex education
in hockey locker-rooms.

1056
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:19,710
Do you have any thoughts about
what it is about

1057
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:22,730
the culture of hockey
that might lead

1058
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:25,430
these young men
to make bad choices

1059
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:27,990
and not be the best versions
of themselves sometimes?

1060
00:54:28,929 --> 00:54:30,669
- Well,
that's a very good question.

1061
00:54:30,669 --> 00:54:34,189
And the way I would answer
this question as a prosecutor

1062
00:54:34,189 --> 00:54:38,970
is we encourage victims
to come forward

1063
00:54:40,249 --> 00:54:41,850
and to speak up.

1064
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:46,989
If we try these cases,
the culture might change.

1065
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:38,990
- How much do your teams
talk to you

1066
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:41,169
about issues like this,
like consent?

1067
00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:42,949
Does it ever come up?
Do they make you--

1068
00:55:43,149 --> 00:55:46,609
Do they make you watch a video?
- There's a video from consent.

1069
00:55:46,661 --> 00:55:48,705
- The tea?
- Every year, the tea.

1070
00:55:48,862 --> 00:55:50,487
The tea video.
If you're still

1071
00:55:50,591 --> 00:55:52,216
struggling with consent,

1072
00:55:52,269 --> 00:55:54,329
just imagine instead
of initiating sex,

1073
00:55:54,569 --> 00:55:55,870
you're making them a cup of tea.

1074
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:58,390
You say, "Hey, would you like
a cup of tea?"

1075
00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:00,330
And if they say, "No thank you,"

1076
00:56:00,770 --> 00:56:02,970
then don't make them tea.
At all.

1077
00:56:03,350 --> 00:56:05,129
- When it's over,

1078
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:06,930
some guys will talk around, hey,

1079
00:56:07,350 --> 00:56:10,710
how can she know
what the tea tastes

1080
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:13,349
if she hasn't tasted it?
- Really.

1081
00:56:13,350 --> 00:56:14,990
- Well, there's--
there's guys walking around

1082
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:18,890
about that. And it's not
taken seriously yet enough.

1083
00:56:19,369 --> 00:56:21,689
How can that be?
Think about all the stories.

1084
00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:24,929
Like, you've got not only
the one with Victoriaville,

1085
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:26,669
we also have Noah Corson.
- Yeah.

1086
00:56:26,889 --> 00:56:28,669
- And then you have this case
in London.

1087
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:30,370
Like, why do you think
these things

1088
00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:31,990
like this happen repeatedly?

1089
00:56:33,668 --> 00:56:36,216
- Uh, fame.

1090
00:56:36,389 --> 00:56:37,609
Uh, you have it too easy.

1091
00:56:38,609 --> 00:56:40,869
And most of the time,
it's easy to get out of it.

1092
00:56:42,169 --> 00:56:44,389
- People look the other way.
People make excuses.

1093
00:56:44,389 --> 00:56:47,289
Is that what you mean?
- Yep. Too easily.

1094
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:50,050
- When you go into hockey,
right, like,

1095
00:56:50,149 --> 00:56:52,069
you're living a life.
You know what I'm saying?

1096
00:56:52,129 --> 00:56:53,450
That's why nobody
takes it seriously.

1097
00:56:53,849 --> 00:56:56,929
You don't take responsibilities
or-- on anything.

1098
00:56:57,149 --> 00:56:59,449
You don't think
as much as you should.

1099
00:56:59,829 --> 00:57:02,730
I think that's one big problem
that happens a lot.

1100
00:57:03,029 --> 00:57:06,330
- It's where there's fame
and money that ego gets up.

1101
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:08,890
And when ego gets up,
you think you have power

1102
00:57:08,890 --> 00:57:11,089
and you think you can do
anything you want.

1103
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:13,689
Mixed with group effect
because those guys are together.

1104
00:57:14,049 --> 00:57:16,750
So, I think people chase
all the time, adrenaline,

1105
00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:18,930
they chase power, they chase--

1106
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:20,770
Because it helps them feel

1107
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:22,990
something that's missing
inside of them.

1108
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,160
E.M. also
testified she did not recall

1109
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,020
participating in two videos

1110
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:32,500
taken from McLeod's phone,

1111
00:57:32,659 --> 00:57:36,219
in which she appears to give
consent to unspecified acts.

1112
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,420
- In 2018, Mr. McLeod

1113
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:41,900
handed those videos
over to police,

1114
00:57:42,099 --> 00:57:44,380
and E.M. was asked to come back
into the station

1115
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:46,180
and showed those videos,
and it was the first time

1116
00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:47,180
she'd seen them.

1117
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,380
She has said that

1118
00:57:50,279 --> 00:57:53,360
she does not recall filming
any of those videos.

1119
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,040
She remarked that, like,
she looks pretty different

1120
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,900
to herself on those tapes.

1121
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,600
That, like, she's speaking
kind of erratically

1122
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,320
and pretty quickly.
Her eyes, she described

1123
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,220
as having, like, "crazy eyes"
and just

1124
00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:07,200
feeling like
she looks like a mess.

1125
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:11,300
- When have you ever been asked
to film on camera?

1126
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:12,820
"Oh, yeah, this is good.
I'm okay with it.

1127
00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:14,659
Let's take a selfie
and I'll sign off

1128
00:58:14,659 --> 00:58:15,760
and say this was all okay."

1129
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:17,440
Like, who's giving them
that advice?

1130
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:20,719
Is it kind of known throughout--
amongst them?

1131
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,000
"Oh, you should,
if you have kind of

1132
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,700
an encounter that
goes out of control,

1133
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,480
you should take a video
like this just in case."

1134
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,729
It's a bit strange.
And it seems by the nature

1135
00:58:28,729 --> 00:58:29,960
of the videos that this
is something that

1136
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:30,960
they're accustomed to doing.

1137
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:36,309
- If you got consent,
do you need to make the video?

1138
00:58:38,289 --> 00:58:39,730
Which is after the fact

1139
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:41,510
and not when you're supposed
to get a consent.

1140
00:58:44,699 --> 00:58:48,119
I didn't rely on them
when I was forming my grounds

1141
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,839
to determine whether
an offence had been committed,

1142
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:54,500
because what mattered
was her subjective state of mind

1143
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,060
at the time of each act, right?

1144
00:58:57,180 --> 00:59:00,060
Was it voluntary? Was she giving
that consent at the time?

1145
00:59:01,659 --> 00:59:02,960
Um... Not after the fact.

1146
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,620
It's interesting,
you know, you have so many

1147
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:09,779
reporters in this courtroom

1148
00:59:09,779 --> 00:59:11,819
all listening to the same thing.

1149
00:59:12,939 --> 00:59:15,540
And nobody catches, I think,

1150
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,080
what's a pretty
important detail.

1151
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,759
In one of these consent videos,

1152
00:59:20,339 --> 00:59:24,000
like we already know
that E.M. says that

1153
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,919
Michael McLeod,
throughout the course

1154
00:59:25,919 --> 00:59:29,700
of the early morning hours
of June 19th,

1155
00:59:29,736 --> 00:59:31,187
um...

1156
00:59:31,299 --> 00:59:33,799
was badgering her
to make a video.

1157
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,620
But if you actually
pay attention

1158
00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:37,140
to what Michael McLeod says,

1159
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:38,739
I haven't seen
anybody report this.

1160
00:59:39,319 --> 00:59:42,461
So, Michael McLeod actually
starts that video off by saying,

1161
00:59:42,461 --> 00:59:45,013
"Say it."
And then the E.M. says,

1162
00:59:45,319 --> 00:59:47,580
"Okay, it was all consensual.
Are you recording me?"

1163
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,279
And he says, "Yes."
And she says, "Okay, good."

1164
00:59:50,699 --> 00:59:52,339
And then he says, "What else?"

1165
00:59:52,819 --> 00:59:55,019
And she says,
"You are so paranoid.

1166
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,100
Holy! I enjoyed it, it was fine.
It was all consensual.

1167
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,779
I'm so sober that's why
I can't do this right now."

1168
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:03,700
But hearing his words,

1169
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,020
it does make you...

1170
01:00:07,219 --> 01:00:09,259
it does seem to give more
credibility

1171
01:00:09,259 --> 01:00:12,699
to what she's saying, that,
you know,

1172
01:00:12,759 --> 01:00:15,279
that he was wanting her
to do this

1173
01:00:15,909 --> 01:00:17,059
throughout the course
of the night

1174
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:18,580
and prompting her to do it.

1175
01:00:18,939 --> 01:00:20,180
But again, to me,

1176
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,480
you have a courtroom
full of reporters,

1177
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:26,639
and nobody heard this.
Nobody reported on it.

1178
01:00:27,299 --> 01:00:28,299
That's interesting.

1179
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,720
It's been a crazy
couple days.

1180
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:37,400
We go through one
mistrial in this case,

1181
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,140
and then yesterday,

1182
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:41,167
there's a little bit of momentum
in the court

1183
01:00:41,167 --> 01:00:45,122
because E.M. is finally done
testifying after nine days.

1184
01:00:45,122 --> 01:00:47,900
And we hear from
Tyler Steenbergen,

1185
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:50,860
a member of Canada's 2018
World Junior team.

1186
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:53,480
He's offering
testimony about what he saw

1187
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,599
in the hotel room.
He saw Dillon Dubé

1188
01:00:55,748 --> 01:00:58,792
slap E.M. He saw Cal Foote

1189
01:00:58,892 --> 01:01:00,789
do the splits over top of E.M.

1190
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,719
And then he testifies
that a week later

1191
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:06,239
after this incident,
when he learned Hockey Canada

1192
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,379
was doing an investigation,
Dubé and Foote

1193
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,060
both called him and asked him

1194
01:01:11,060 --> 01:01:12,900
not to share
with investigators

1195
01:01:13,279 --> 01:01:16,400
what he'd seen.
And very dramatic testimony.

1196
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,380
And then we came back from lunch

1197
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:20,880
and the judge drops a bombshell.

1198
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:24,280
She reads this note to the court
and the note says...

1199
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:41,013
"...as if they are discussing
our appearance.

1200
01:01:41,099 --> 01:01:43,559
This is unprofessional
and unacceptable."

1201
01:01:44,339 --> 01:01:46,680
And so that sets off
a firestorm.

1202
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,710
And immediately the defence,
you know,

1203
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:51,740
you can see the idea
forming in their mind already

1204
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:54,260
that they're going to be able
to get a mistrial out of this.

1205
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,039
And so that's where we are now.
We've come back.

1206
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,139
The Defence has said that
they think that there should be

1207
01:02:00,139 --> 01:02:02,739
a mistrial and that this case
should move forward

1208
01:02:02,739 --> 01:02:04,199
as a judge alone case,

1209
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:06,360
meaning the jury gets dismissed

1210
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,020
and the judge decides
the guilt or acquittal

1211
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:11,480
of these defendants.

1212
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,400
- Did the defence team

1213
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,260
observe the jurors

1214
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:19,580
in the same way that I
observed some of the jurors,

1215
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:21,520
looking troubled?

1216
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,520
In one instance,
I believe I saw a juror

1217
01:02:25,449 --> 01:02:28,440
physiologically triggered
by E.M.'s testimony.

1218
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:32,519
Was that an opportunity
to change course?

1219
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,080
Did they think that maybe

1220
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,560
they had fallen out of favour
with the jurors?

1221
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,800
- There are some people
who are watching this

1222
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,220
who believe there's a bias that
the judge has shown

1223
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:53,000
towards, in favour
of the defence.

1224
01:02:53,539 --> 01:02:56,840
I don't know how
that would affect her judgment

1225
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,100
in terms of rendering a decision
based on the law,

1226
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,100
but, you know, it's--

1227
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,560
I really want to see
how this unfolds.

1228
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,400
And I know we live in a world
of hot takes,

1229
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,640
where, what do you think
about that?

1230
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:11,080
My job is to report on facts
that I see,

1231
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,300
and so,
the facts are unbelievable.

1232
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:21,720
- One sex assault trial,
two juries discharged.

1233
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:23,860
This morning,
Justice Maria Carroccia

1234
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,260
decided that this trial
will proceed

1235
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:28,040
in front of her alone,

1236
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:30,480
out of concern about
jury prejudice.

1237
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,000
Yesterday, one of
the players who testified,

1238
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,520
Brett Howden, he's not been
charged with anything

1239
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:39,840
or accused of any wrongdoing,

1240
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:42,240
he was being asked
a whole bunch of questions

1241
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,620
about what happened
in June 2018,

1242
01:03:44,919 --> 01:03:47,200
you know, in this hotel.

1243
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,460
And so many times he would say,
"I don't remember."

1244
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:51,860
"I don't know,
I don't remember."

1245
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,480
So the Crown today argued
that Brett Howden

1246
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,780
was not being truthful,

1247
01:03:56,019 --> 01:03:58,380
that he was feigning
this memory loss,

1248
01:03:58,380 --> 01:04:01,740
and that it was selective.
He was remembering things that,

1249
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,940
you know, help these players
who are defendants,

1250
01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:07,740
the Crown called them his
"friends and former teammates",

1251
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,420
but he was forgetting things,
key details

1252
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:12,240
that he'd talked about
previously.

1253
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:15,280
So, now we're having all
of this legal argument

1254
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,579
over whether or not
his past statements

1255
01:04:17,579 --> 01:04:20,880
can be introduced and he can be
cross-examined on them.

1256
01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:22,900
One of the text messages
in here,

1257
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,519
there was another player
on the team

1258
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:27,300
that's also not charged,
named Taylor Raddysh.

1259
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:31,200
At one point, Brett Howden
texts Taylor Raddysh,

1260
01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:33,940
"Dude, I'm so happy I left

1261
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:35,600
when all the shit went down.
Haha."

1262
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,980
- I think the Crowns kind of
went into trial

1263
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:53,420
with one hand tied
behind their backs.

1264
01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:56,500
And then once that text
was excluded

1265
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:57,500
by Justice Carroccia,

1266
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,360
I think from then on,

1267
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,720
they had both hands
tied behind their backs.

1268
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,500
- When we think about
what the actions

1269
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:23,400
of these other players
were in that

1270
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,380
room, even the players
that weren't charged,

1271
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,780
did they do the right thing?

1272
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,800
That's going to be
for the public to decide.

1273
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,420
They don't face any
criminal charges, but you know,

1274
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:37,860
I can tell you, as a dad,

1275
01:05:38,180 --> 01:05:41,260
I would hope that my sons
would act very differently

1276
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:43,360
and would leave that room
immediately

1277
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:45,000
and would tell someone.

1278
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:46,520
Would tell somebody
that, hey,

1279
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,540
there's something going--
An assistant coach,

1280
01:05:49,020 --> 01:05:50,860
the front desk, anonymously,

1281
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,960
"There's something going on
in that room,

1282
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,280
and it's not right."

1283
01:05:59,650 --> 01:06:03,010
- In London, the sex assault
trial of five former

1284
01:06:03,010 --> 01:06:05,630
World Junior hockey players
continued again today,

1285
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:08,130
with Carter Hart taking
to the witness box.

1286
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:11,750
He is the first of the accused
to testify on his own behalf.

1287
01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:13,610
Carter Hart
has testified

1288
01:06:13,610 --> 01:06:15,430
if he had seen anything
disrespectful

1289
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:17,190
happening in that hotel room,

1290
01:06:17,389 --> 01:06:19,050
he would have said something
or left.

1291
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:20,510
- Carter Hart testified,

1292
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:24,170
and I've heard people in hockey

1293
01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:28,210
suggest that he needed
to tell his story that way

1294
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:31,950
to be assured of a path
back to the NHL.

1295
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:35,070
- She was chirping them.
She was saying,

1296
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:37,070
"Who's going to come
and fuck me?" Essentially,

1297
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:38,869
was what they testified to.

1298
01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:41,070
I mean, it's interesting
because...

1299
01:06:41,490 --> 01:06:44,350
it's he said, she said.
It's their word against hers,

1300
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:45,790
essentially, right? She says,

1301
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:48,070
"No, that's not something
I would have said."

1302
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:49,570
And they say,
"You did say that."

1303
01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:11,030
She remembers
sort of getting lost

1304
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:12,250
when she had to leave.

1305
01:07:12,430 --> 01:07:14,290
She realized that she left
some jewellery in the room.

1306
01:07:14,810 --> 01:07:16,330
She goes back and knocks
on the door

1307
01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:20,050
and remembered how sort of
annoyed that they were,

1308
01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:22,769
Formenton and McLeod,
that she had come back.

1309
01:07:22,850 --> 01:07:24,070
They let her look for her ring.

1310
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:25,750
She didn't find it.

1311
01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:27,570
And then she ended up leaving,

1312
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:29,190
and then she's on
surveillance video

1313
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:31,110
leaving and getting
into her Uber.

1314
01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:36,130
Her mom found her
in the bathtub, not herself.

1315
01:07:36,930 --> 01:07:38,910
Her mom was kind of able
to get it out of her

1316
01:07:38,994 --> 01:07:40,223
that something happened.

1317
01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:42,010
So, her mom initially
called London Police,

1318
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:45,470
just seeking advice.
And then the next day,

1319
01:07:45,610 --> 01:07:48,260
once Michael McLeod, I guess,

1320
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:50,430
had been notified that
a complaint had been made,

1321
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:51,570
he looked her up on Instagram

1322
01:07:51,570 --> 01:07:53,390
and reached out to her
and they had

1323
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:55,810
a brief text conversation.

1324
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:58,070
"I need
to talk rn," he wrote.

1325
01:07:58,269 --> 01:08:00,210
"You said you were having fun?"
He texted her.

1326
01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:02,850
"I was really drunk,
didn't feel good about it

1327
01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:04,250
at all after." She wrote.

1328
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:06,670
"I was ok going home with you,

1329
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:09,830
it was everyone else afterwards
that I wasn't expecting.

1330
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:12,050
I just felt like I was being
made fun of

1331
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:13,230
and taken advantage of."

1332
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:15,710
McLeod repeatedly pressed her
to go to police

1333
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:16,890
to end the investigation.

1334
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:19,488
"What can you do
to make this go away?"

1335
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:21,890
- I think he was just trying
to get her to withdraw

1336
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:23,850
any complaint
that might be made.

1337
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:29,130
- We've heard evidence
from four players so far,

1338
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:31,630
and to a degree,
all four of them

1339
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:33,810
have had real memory issues

1340
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:36,630
when the players
were all texting each other,

1341
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:39,950
you know, trying to decide

1342
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:43,330
how they would respond to
a Hockey Canada investigation.

1343
01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:51,950
The group chat
was created

1344
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:53,569
just from the players
in the room.

1345
01:08:53,710 --> 01:08:55,328
That came from Dillon Dubé.

1346
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:57,229
I think at the time
they genuinely believed

1347
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:58,788
that it was just going
to be a Hockey Canada

1348
01:08:58,788 --> 01:08:59,788
conduct investigation.

1349
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:09,340
You know, as an investigator,

1350
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,000
there's kind of like
an ah-ha moment, right?

1351
01:09:12,099 --> 01:09:13,690
Because that's what we do
as police officers.

1352
01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:15,920
We investigate because
we want to put

1353
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,179
the puzzle pieces together.

1354
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:19,420
So, I think that those
text messages

1355
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,279
were a lot of the missing
puzzle pieces.

1356
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:29,320
You know, they were there
since 2018,

1357
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,520
and they didn't come out
until 2022

1358
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,020
when we started
asking questions.

1359
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,180
It gave a lot of context
to what happened that night,

1360
01:09:36,219 --> 01:09:39,040
what happened
the days following.

1361
01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:43,600
The way I read it
and the opinion that I formed,

1362
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,658
was that they were trying
to come up with a story.

1363
01:09:45,979 --> 01:09:48,078
They were trying to get
on the same page.

1364
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:55,680
- Closing statements
in the sexual assault trial

1365
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,500
of former World Junior hockey
players began today.

1366
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:01,350
The defence teams
attacked E.M.,

1367
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:02,540
the Crown's chief witness,

1368
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,560
providing Justice
Maria Carroccia

1369
01:10:04,779 --> 01:10:08,220
with a 30-page document
known as an aide memoir,

1370
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,000
referencing what it argued
were issues

1371
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,760
with her credibility
and reliability.

1372
01:10:13,899 --> 01:10:15,560
I think that the defence

1373
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,840
probably feels pretty good
about where they're at.

1374
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,800
The burden of proof
on the prosecutors

1375
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,760
is beyond a reasonable doubt.

1376
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,560
Did the prosecution
make their case? I don't know.

1377
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,240
This is her word against
the word of these five men.

1378
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:34,310
It's interesting, like,
if this was a jury trial still,

1379
01:10:34,510 --> 01:10:37,510
we'd probably be waiting
for four or five days, you know,

1380
01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:39,890
sitting in the courthouse,
just waiting for a verdict.

1381
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:42,788
And then the jury would come out
and say guilty or not guilty

1382
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:43,790
for each of the players,

1383
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:46,630
and we'd never understand
why they reached that decision,

1384
01:10:46,670 --> 01:10:49,290
because jurors are not allowed
to talk about their verdicts.

1385
01:10:49,988 --> 01:10:52,288
But because of how crazy
this trial has been

1386
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:55,130
because it's now a trial
by a judge alone,

1387
01:10:55,450 --> 01:10:56,450
it's different.

1388
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:58,210
The judge will reserve
her decision,

1389
01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:00,610
and then we'll all be,
you know,

1390
01:11:00,670 --> 01:11:02,910
sent a notice to come back
on a particular day

1391
01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:04,750
for the reading of the verdict.

1392
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:16,060
How do we change
the culture

1393
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,160
when forever,

1394
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,300
it's been one
where you have to fit in?

1395
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,840
- Team spirit
is really important,

1396
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,200
how the coaches are, how the...

1397
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:27,100
the player or the veterans are.

1398
01:11:27,859 --> 01:11:32,140
Just about being to accept
everyone, whatever they are.

1399
01:11:32,140 --> 01:11:33,720
If you don't want to drink,
don't drink.

1400
01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:36,200
If you're gay, you're gay.
There's no worry about it.

1401
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:38,920
- If you think that people
like Kyle Beach

1402
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,020
don't deserve a voice,
then we're not on the same page.

1403
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,900
- A thousand percent.
- You know, if you think

1404
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:46,980
that Hockey Canada should have
this fund

1405
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,420
to pay off
sexual assault allegations

1406
01:11:49,420 --> 01:11:51,680
and keep that secret
from the Canadian public...

1407
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,000
- Yep.
- ...we're not on the same page.

1408
01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:54,539
- Yep. I totally agree.

1409
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,785
My dad always says,
"If someone's, like,

1410
01:11:56,785 --> 01:11:59,040
disagreeing with you, you're
doing something right", right?

1411
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,659
Because, you know, people
don't want change.

1412
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,960
And especially in hockey,
change is hard because,

1413
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:07,440
again, we're so protective
over the game, right?

1414
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,700
- What would your message be
to young players coming up

1415
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:15,620
when it comes to how
to treat younger teammates?

1416
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,200
How to deal with girls?
Like, girls, obviously

1417
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,420
like being around you guys

1418
01:12:19,420 --> 01:12:21,539
because of the celebrity
you have,

1419
01:12:21,739 --> 01:12:22,920
because you play
junior hockey.

1420
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:25,220
- But it's okay to have fun,

1421
01:12:25,660 --> 01:12:28,140
but there's also a limit
that, yes,

1422
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:29,960
you want a career,
you want to be--

1423
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:31,660
you got to grow as a man,

1424
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:34,759
not just the kid growing up.

1425
01:12:34,759 --> 01:12:38,860
It's, as soon as you get
in the league, at 16, at 17,

1426
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,620
whether at 18,
you're in big shoes to fill.

1427
01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:46,100
I'm curious,
one of the things that, again,

1428
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:48,100
a lot of these dozens of players
have told me

1429
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:49,960
when I've interviewed them is,
when I say,

1430
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:52,380
"Well, why don't you speak up
and why don't you say something?

1431
01:12:52,422 --> 01:12:54,423
When you, you know,
when there's like,

1432
01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:56,990
hazing or issues like this,

1433
01:12:57,033 --> 01:12:58,817
why not say something?"

1434
01:12:58,860 --> 01:13:00,840
And almost every player is like,

1435
01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,920
"We can't do that.
If you speak up, you're done."

1436
01:13:05,779 --> 01:13:07,500
- I think it's hard
because we're a big family,

1437
01:13:08,060 --> 01:13:09,400
so we're all like brothers.

1438
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:14,480
But if you quit that mentality
to say something, it's hard.

1439
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:16,540
- Well, what if, you know,

1440
01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:19,000
the rest don't see it
the way you see it?

1441
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,320
Then you're by yourself
a little bit.

1442
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:23,200
Even though you should be
the one talking,

1443
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,760
it's the right thing to do,

1444
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:28,380
then you get the fear
of rejection, right?

1445
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,320
- What's happened to the image
of hockey

1446
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,820
over the last couple of years?

1447
01:13:31,820 --> 01:13:34,020
I think of, yeah, like,

1448
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,840
what's happened to it
across our country?

1449
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:39,400
- It changed.
Because some people

1450
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:40,690
did some bad thing,

1451
01:13:40,690 --> 01:13:43,440
like, they think everybody's
like that, but...

1452
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,760
it's not the true.
Like, there are some good guys

1453
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,280
in hockey, like,
a lot of good guys.

1454
01:13:48,579 --> 01:13:50,300
- When you're saying,
"That's how people see us",

1455
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:51,880
how do you know that?

1456
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,119
Do people actually say this
to you in person?

1457
01:13:54,189 --> 01:13:55,394
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

1458
01:13:55,501 --> 01:13:56,564
- Yeah, like, I've heard that.
- Honestly?

1459
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,620
- Yeah, but it's well known
that everybody thinks,

1460
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:03,620
like, pretty much always
bad about hockey player.

1461
01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:05,900
And even in life, like,
you're at the bar

1462
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:08,160
and everything, like,
a girl say,

1463
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,680
"Oh, you're a fucking hockey
player", and like...

1464
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,300
- They're all the same.
- Yeah.

1465
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:13,160
- That's the same thing
every time.

1466
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:14,760
Hockey players, all the same.

1467
01:14:15,739 --> 01:14:17,180
But no, we're all humans.

1468
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,719
At the end of the day, it's...

1469
01:14:19,719 --> 01:14:22,280
it could happen to anyone.
But we're hockey players,

1470
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,980
and it's all in the media
most of the time, so...

1471
01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:29,290
All right, gentlemen.
Good morning.

1472
01:14:29,410 --> 01:14:30,570
Great workout at the gym.

1473
01:14:31,349 --> 01:14:33,250
What we're going to work
on today is some Edgeboss.

1474
01:14:33,769 --> 01:14:35,309
Lucas is here.
Welcome back, Lucas.

1475
01:14:35,809 --> 01:14:37,010
We're going to work on
some hands,

1476
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:38,590
some quick feet. Let's go.

1477
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:42,630
My name is Jim Thomson.

1478
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:44,889
I'm the owner
of the Aurora Tiger Junior A

1479
01:14:44,889 --> 01:14:46,750
Hockey Team of the OJHL.

1480
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:48,770
My happy place is hockey.

1481
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:51,849
It's my life. I've done it
since I was six years old.

1482
01:14:52,510 --> 01:14:54,309
Getting to work with these
young men

1483
01:14:54,309 --> 01:14:55,929
and being in the gym
every day with them,

1484
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:57,710
being on the ice every day
with them,

1485
01:14:57,914 --> 01:14:59,317
I love it.
I'll love it till--

1486
01:14:59,317 --> 01:15:01,510
I'll do this until
I can't do it anymore.

1487
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:09,270
We have an obligation
to these young athletes

1488
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:11,789
to teach them the right culture.

1489
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:13,650
Give them a great foundation

1490
01:15:13,650 --> 01:15:15,530
to get on with
a healthy lifestyle.

1491
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:17,750
And that's far above winning.

1492
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:21,350
And what I want to happen here

1493
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,829
is what my coaches,
what my general manager,

1494
01:15:24,010 --> 01:15:26,050
what my assistant GM,
my trainers, everybody

1495
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:29,150
has to be part of.
And if they don't,

1496
01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:30,470
they can't work here.

1497
01:15:30,910 --> 01:15:32,390
And that's just the bottom line

1498
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:35,329
because you entrust
your son to be here.

1499
01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:37,230
My job as the owner

1500
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:40,690
is to make sure that he's taken
care of like my own kids.

1501
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:49,239
Today, this dressing room
is open conversation in Aurora.

1502
01:15:49,519 --> 01:15:52,779
My leadership group here,
there's nothing hidden.

1503
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,879
If there's something going on,

1504
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,420
I want to know about it,
or the coaches or the GM

1505
01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:58,420
have to know about it.

1506
01:15:58,559 --> 01:16:00,599
Some players
thought they could beat it.

1507
01:16:00,940 --> 01:16:02,420
No matter how good they were,

1508
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,400
I got them out because they're
not going to break my culture.

1509
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:08,160
What I want to see more of,

1510
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,420
"That's wrong.
You guys stop it."

1511
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,379
That's, instead of just turning
a blind eye to say,

1512
01:16:13,379 --> 01:16:15,480
I'm out of here,
that's what I want to see.

1513
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:16,859
I want to see the leadership's
group say, you know,

1514
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,900
"What the hell are you doing?
Stop that nonsense."

1515
01:16:20,740 --> 01:16:22,020
That's where we gotta get to.

1516
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:27,760
Less than one percent
of the players make the NHL.

1517
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,340
So the 99% that don't,

1518
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,180
what kind of journey
and what kind of experience

1519
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:35,520
do they have?
What are they getting out of it?

1520
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:37,760
You know,
I have that tattoo there,

1521
01:16:38,619 --> 01:16:41,000
"In a world where you can be
anything, be kind."

1522
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,280
You know, that's it.
We're in a world

1523
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,820
where you can be anything,
be kind.

1524
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:46,520
Kindness matters, right?

1525
01:17:37,649 --> 01:17:41,409
I wonder, how would that
incident in London

1526
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:45,770
have been different
if one of those guys

1527
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:47,049
walking into that room

1528
01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:49,690
and taking in that scene

1529
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:53,870
where there's ten guys
and one woman,

1530
01:17:54,609 --> 01:17:57,589
what would have happened
if one of those guys had said,

1531
01:17:57,809 --> 01:18:01,069
"This doesn't feel right?"
"Let's get her a taxi."

1532
01:18:01,410 --> 01:18:03,830
How would the last seven years

1533
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:06,689
have been different for them?
For E.M.?

1534
01:18:07,869 --> 01:18:09,250
I wonder about that.

1535
01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:14,770
Well, here we go.

1536
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:24,730
- It does not matter

1537
01:18:24,730 --> 01:18:26,809
what happens
in that courtroom today.

1538
01:18:27,010 --> 01:18:29,130
It's really about the community

1539
01:18:29,130 --> 01:18:31,290
that's come together
and showing women

1540
01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:32,869
that they are believed

1541
01:18:32,869 --> 01:18:34,569
and that there's community
behind them.

1542
01:18:34,729 --> 01:18:37,069
And I'm hopeful that
that's the messaging

1543
01:18:37,069 --> 01:18:39,269
that sticks from all of this.

1544
01:18:39,490 --> 01:18:41,349
- What do we want?
- Justice!

1545
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:43,990
- When do we want it?
- Now!

1546
01:18:44,389 --> 01:18:46,170
- I'm a survivor as well.

1547
01:18:46,449 --> 01:18:50,929
And the whole reason I came
was to show her that it matters.

1548
01:18:51,609 --> 01:18:53,909
And she can face five
defence attorneys.

1549
01:18:54,029 --> 01:18:55,029
We can face one.

1550
01:18:55,158 --> 01:18:57,138
What do we want?
Justice!

1551
01:18:57,224 --> 01:18:59,333
- When do we want it?
- Now!

1552
01:18:59,419 --> 01:19:00,840
- What do we want?
- Justice!

1553
01:19:00,883 --> 01:19:02,475
- When do we want it?
- Now!

1554
01:19:02,605 --> 01:19:04,929
- What do we want?
- Justice!

1555
01:19:05,059 --> 01:19:06,435
- This trial has been a real
wake-up call

1556
01:19:06,565 --> 01:19:07,813
for hockey culture in Canada,

1557
01:19:07,857 --> 01:19:09,535
and it really sends a message
to the public

1558
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,460
and to the community
of London

1559
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:13,480
that this means a lot to us.

1560
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,160
- It's definitely
a pivotal moment,

1561
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,660
regardless of the outcome.

1562
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,780
We're not going to be quiet
about it, that's for sure.

1563
01:19:28,450 --> 01:19:30,770
- Five former World Junior
hockey players

1564
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:33,370
at the centre of a high-profile
sexual assault trial

1565
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:37,890
are now free and clear,
all of them found not guilty.

1566
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:40,590
- The judge saying she found
the complainant's allegations

1567
01:19:40,590 --> 01:19:42,650
against the men
lacked credibility.

1568
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:45,010
This case started out,

1569
01:19:45,010 --> 01:19:46,390
it certainly
was a roller coaster

1570
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:49,390
with a mistrial,
with the jury dismissed,

1571
01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:51,270
you know, moving ahead
as a judge alone.

1572
01:19:51,950 --> 01:19:53,470
The lawyers I talked to
who are experts

1573
01:19:53,470 --> 01:19:55,210
say they've never seen anything
like this before,

1574
01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:57,610
but here we are.
And so, we trust

1575
01:19:57,610 --> 01:20:00,050
the judge's decision,
and the players are not guilty.

1576
01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:01,930
- They're all not guilty.

1577
01:20:02,947 --> 01:20:04,341
She can't find that consent
was vitiated

1578
01:20:04,341 --> 01:20:05,341
on any of the counts,

1579
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:09,230
and she didn't find E.M.
reliable or credible.

1580
01:20:10,730 --> 01:20:13,130
It's not an easy day.
It's a pretty disappointing day,

1581
01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:14,270
but also not surprising.

1582
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,265
Yeah.

1583
01:20:21,775 --> 01:20:24,750
I, uh... sorry.

1584
01:20:24,796 --> 01:20:26,398
Um...

1585
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,359
I didn't think
I was going to cry.

1586
01:20:29,503 --> 01:20:31,086
Um...

1587
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,140
I wanted to get her
the right answer

1588
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:37,119
because I didn't think
she got it in 2018.

1589
01:20:39,949 --> 01:20:41,729
So, that was always, um...

1590
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:48,720
That was my goal throughout
the whole investigation.

1591
01:20:48,898 --> 01:20:50,980
Um...

1592
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,760
And then my job kind of,

1593
01:20:53,020 --> 01:20:55,020
I understood that my job
came to an end

1594
01:20:55,139 --> 01:20:57,099
once I kind of handed it over
to the Crowns.

1595
01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:59,139
It took an emotional toll,

1596
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:01,780
just watching everything
she had to go through.

1597
01:21:02,739 --> 01:21:05,659
It took a lot out of me,
my family.

1598
01:21:08,540 --> 01:21:10,760
But I wouldn't have
done it differently.

1599
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,280
And it was honestly an honour
to work for her on this case.

1600
01:21:19,449 --> 01:21:22,869
- Whenever I've given advice
to complainants,

1601
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:24,010
I always tell them,

1602
01:21:24,010 --> 01:21:26,110
there's no guarantees
about the outcome,

1603
01:21:26,110 --> 01:21:28,030
and you have to be prepared
for that.

1604
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:31,690
Her purpose, which was always
at the forefront of her mind,

1605
01:21:31,690 --> 01:21:33,170
was to stand up for herself

1606
01:21:33,170 --> 01:21:35,829
and for others who
have had similar experiences.

1607
01:21:36,650 --> 01:21:38,650
She felt there needed
to be accountability,

1608
01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:42,849
but her choice to testify
came at a great personal cost.

1609
01:21:43,049 --> 01:21:45,429
When a person summons
the courage

1610
01:21:45,429 --> 01:21:47,309
to disclose their story,

1611
01:21:47,309 --> 01:21:51,270
the worst possible outcome
is to feel disbelieved.

1612
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:05,629
- Instead of pursuing
restorative justice,

1613
01:22:05,629 --> 01:22:08,110
the Crown forced a distressing

1614
01:22:08,230 --> 01:22:10,250
and unnecessary trial

1615
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:11,410
to the detriment

1616
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:15,190
of Mr. Hart, his co-defendants,

1617
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:17,450
the complainant,

1618
01:22:19,069 --> 01:22:20,589
and the Canadian public.

1619
01:22:30,650 --> 01:22:33,109
- Rick, were you in fact
in the courtroom today?

1620
01:22:33,989 --> 01:22:35,099
Yeah,
I was sitting there.

1621
01:22:35,099 --> 01:22:36,870
Like, the judge gave
a bit of a spoiler

1622
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:38,570
by saying right off the bat

1623
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:40,450
that she didn't find E.M.,

1624
01:22:40,450 --> 01:22:43,750
the complainant's, testimony,
to be credible or reliable.

1625
01:22:43,909 --> 01:22:46,970
And as soon as she said that,
you could hear audible gasps

1626
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:49,189
from the section
of the public gallery

1627
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:50,750
where the players' families
were.

1628
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:55,329
Just because the judge
finds that something criminal

1629
01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:56,870
did not happen in that room,

1630
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:59,310
it does not mean that players

1631
01:22:59,310 --> 01:23:02,850
didn't say and do things
that were depraved.

1632
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:26,909
- Acquittals are not the same
as innocence,

1633
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:30,290
and I don't think acquittals

1634
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:33,530
will necessarily
lead to absolution.

1635
01:23:44,350 --> 01:23:46,350
- People are saying,
"No, I believe her."

1636
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:48,150
You know, I've seen
TikTok videos even

1637
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:51,170
where people are like,
"No, I lived in a hockey town,

1638
01:23:51,170 --> 01:23:52,830
and I believe her.

1639
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:55,270
That's exactly what
the culture was like."

1640
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,900
- I hope that people speak up

1641
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:11,780
and say, this is too much.

1642
01:24:12,059 --> 01:24:13,960
We shouldn't have to be

1643
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,339
so afraid of the system
to seek justice.

1644
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,900
- By coming forward,
you're protecting others.

1645
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:31,560
I always suggest and emphasize
the power...

1646
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,660
...of that knock

1647
01:24:34,660 --> 01:24:36,520
of the policeman
on the perpetrator's door.

1648
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:40,560
That's a warning shot that may
really change their ways.

1649
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,220
It's going to make them
think twice.

1650
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:44,540
It's going to really, you know,

1651
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,300
change the game
for that individual.

1652
01:24:55,150 --> 01:24:57,270
- I guess in my line of work,

1653
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:59,570
I generally find that, um...

1654
01:25:00,870 --> 01:25:02,150
courage is contagious

1655
01:25:03,150 --> 01:25:06,370
and that it will be impossible
for her

1656
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:07,629
to understand

1657
01:25:08,409 --> 01:25:10,789
the impact that she will make

1658
01:25:11,229 --> 01:25:14,109
on others who are considering
to come forward.

1659
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,869
- We are so proud and happy

1660
01:25:31,869 --> 01:25:34,020
that you were able
to put on a face

1661
01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:36,100
and go and do it.
And like, it means the world

1662
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:38,300
to people that
you don't even know

1663
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:40,400
or will never meet.
So, thank you so much.

1664
01:25:42,404 --> 01:25:43,887
- You have changed us.

1665
01:25:43,929 --> 01:25:46,937
We believe you.
And we are with you.

1666
01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:49,739
- Honestly, I couldn't speak up
and thank you

1667
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:53,120
for being so brave
and speaking up.

1668
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,300
And I wish you healing
along the way.

1669
01:25:59,350 --> 01:26:01,550
- Keep aligning in your truth

1670
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:05,430
and keep thinking that your win
is yours and nobody else's.

1671
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:10,400
- And I think what you're doing

1672
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,599
needs to be done,
and I think this is the start

1673
01:26:13,599 --> 01:26:15,120
of some real change.

1674
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:18,811
We will not
be victimized!

1675
01:26:18,859 --> 01:26:20,460
- I want you to...

1676
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,780
pass the baton now to us,

1677
01:26:23,780 --> 01:26:26,379
and let us...
let us continue this fight.

1678
01:26:26,379 --> 01:26:27,960
And just know that nothing...

1679
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,480
nothing that you did
will be done in vain.

1680
01:26:32,339 --> 01:26:34,979
And I think that you...
you deserve peace now,

1681
01:26:34,979 --> 01:26:36,679
because you did your job
and you did it really well.

1682
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:41,080
- I think you're a hero.

1683
01:26:41,820 --> 01:26:47,040
There are so few people
that would knowingly take on

1684
01:26:47,740 --> 01:26:49,140
what you agreed to do

1685
01:26:49,140 --> 01:26:50,380
just because...

1686
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,740
you thought it was
the right thing to do.

1687
01:26:57,170 --> 01:26:58,969
- E.M., you changed lives.

1688
01:27:01,149 --> 01:27:03,269
I... I really think that.

1689
01:27:03,369 --> 01:27:04,989
I think you changed
people's lives

1690
01:27:04,989 --> 01:27:07,309
in the course
of those nine days.

1691
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:09,849
And, uh...

1692
01:27:09,849 --> 01:27:12,190
I hope you've seen
the video of all the protesters,

1693
01:27:12,909 --> 01:27:15,670
and I hope you have received
all the messages of support...

1694
01:27:17,349 --> 01:27:19,969
from across the country
and other parts of the world.

1695
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:24,679
People won't forget
what you did.

1696
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:27,740
Thank you.

1697
01:27:39,228 --> 01:27:41,910
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