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I really wanted to live in LA.
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I wanted to find an agency to start modelling.
This is the building where the Ford agency is.
I think it was the eighth floor.
It's almost like I can see myself, like, outside of my body.
I've noticed I do that, though.
Like, if there's, like, some sort of trauma involved,
I really do, like, just detach.
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING Jared Leto.
He was standing...
...to the left of those double doors.
My mom noticed him as we were going up the stairs.
I kind of saw him look over.
He hung up the phone and just, like, walked right in behind us.
He brought up that he had won a major award.
Does anybody want to try it out for size?
You can, if anybody wants to fondle.
SCATTERED LAUGHTER
Yeah, here.
He was like, "Oh, yeah, you're going to get signed.
"Definitely. You're so beautiful."
And he asked for my email
so he can invite me and my mom to his, like, Oscar party.
I bet this is a first - the first person to ever...
...give their Oscar away for...
...an orgy in the press room.
SCATTERED LAUGHTER
I was 16 at the time
and he was 42.
He did email me and then, very quickly,
it turns into this whole, like, sexual thing on the phone,
saying all these, like, things that you shouldn't say to a child.
Thank you very much and congratulations.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
I was... I was 17.
17.
As a 14-year-old girl with a little...
...with a little crush on him.
I was very excited to see Jared Leto.
I think that was the first time I ever met a celebrity.
"Oh, my God. Do you know who that is?! That's Jared Leto!"
PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR
He had invited me to his house.
Asked me to come meet him in his hotel.
"Jared Leto cordially invites you to a celebration."
Sending an invite out to a lot of models.
I ran to the autograph table.
You know, most young girls saw him very much as a heart-throb.
Wait, but...
...this is problematic.
There's a whole population who don't know who he truly is.
You really just chose to take your power and abuse it.
Alarms started going off in my head.
"This is not what I came here for."
"By the time I get back, I would like your clothes to be off."
"It doesn't matter what your age is.
"It doesn't matter if you're underage."
And that's when I realised he was in his early 30s.
He was 34.
He was 42 at the time.
And then he just goes,
"If you're going to sleep here,
"you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass."
People are like, "What did you hope to accomplish with your book?"
Two things. I want to be proud of it and I want to not get sued.
Yeah. Touch and go there for a little while.
OK.
Mm-hm.
So, Jared Leto is an actor
at the very highest realms of the industry.
PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR
He won an Oscar for his role
in Dallas Buyers Club,
in which he played a trans woman.
And the Oscar goes to...
...Jared Leto, Dallas Buyers Club.
CHEERING
That sealed his status
as a household name
and one of the power players in Hollywood.
He started out
as a very well-known TV actor
in My So-Called Life.
His role, Jordan Catalano, was...
...the school dreamboat.
A generation of women - and, I think, some men -
were mesmerised by those blue eyes.
He's unique, in that he's not only
a high-profile actor,
he's also an entrepreneur.
And he's an investor.
Uber, Airbnb, Spotify, Reddit...
I've always been entrepreneurial
ever since I sold dope as a kid. INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES
Whoo!
He's associated with fashion houses,
and, also, he's a really
successful rock star,
with his band Thirty Seconds To Mars.
♪ Take no more
♪ Take no more... ♪
CHEERING
I think the first time I ever came across Jared Leto
was watching Requiem For A Dream
when I was a teenager.
I always thought you were the most beautiful girl I ever seen.
Really?
I thought he was incredible.
It was a film that definitely stayed with me.
Air Mail is a digital weekly based in New York.
It does a bit of everything.
True crime,
arts and culture.
I've also done investigative work.
I follow this DJ called Allie Teilz, on Instagram.
In April 2025,
she posted, on her Instagram,
a screenshot of a Facebook status
she'd posted originally in 2012.
She went on to say that she was underage,
she was 17 at the time,
and that he was aware of her age.
She has a big following.
She has over 100,000 followers.
She started getting a lot of responses
from women who'd had allegedly similar experiences with Jared,
which she was then posting.
I was refreshing her story every few hours,
and I was quite stunned by the wealth of responses that she got.
The experiences ranged from inappropriate behaviour
to assault.
It captured my attention and I started looking into the story.
My name is Jessica Sartenaer.
I'm a documentary producer and journalist.
I've been making documentaries for nearly ten years...
...often looking into high-profile people.
We saw Allie's post and the reaction.
This is NOT something you see every day.
If all of this was true,
these were allegations on a massive scale,
about a very big player in Hollywood.
So, we immediately started investigating.
I spoke to some of the women who wrote in to Allie.
I managed to track them down.
I was putting down the phone
and I felt a little bit sick to my stomach.
Among the allegations, there was one woman,
she was 18 at the time.
She went over to his house and he got naked
and grabbed her hand and put it on his penis and said,
"I want you to spit on it."
I gathered all my research,
put together the story.
Ultimately, nine women contributed.
A lot of them were very scared,
which is why most of them requested anonymity.
We did send a right to reply to Leto and his team,
and they responded,
expressly denying every allegation.
The article went live.
It was pretty much picked up worldwide.
The Guardian,
Italian national newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.
Actor and musician Jared Leto
has been accused of sexual misconduct and predatory behaviour.
Allegedly... Allegedly likes very young girls,
teenage girls.
I saw it was reported that Disney was holding crisis talks.
Um, he was meant to be playing the lead in Tron: Ares.
I would like you to meet Ares,
the ultimate soldier.
I think the crisis talks were surrounding the marketing campaign.
It was a big deal.
And I really thought, you know, "This is going to...
"This is going to have some real-life repercussions for...
"..for Jared."
When the Air Mail article came out,
this was the first time that women had gone on the record,
alleging that they had been sexually abused by Leto.
We watched and waited to see what the consequences might be.
So, as the days went on...
...I was typing in "Jared Leto allegations"
or just googling "Jared Leto".
I started seeing other news about him that was unrelated...
And I saw the articles surrounding the allegations
start to trickle off.
I thought, "Oh, wow." Like, "That's it."
I was... I guess I was disappointed.
I was disappointed
the world didn't take my victims' allegations seriously.
Within weeks, Leto started doing publicity for Tron: Ares...
We're in London and we're super excited.
It's been a great night so far.
...culminating in an appearance on top of the Piccadilly Lights
as a promotional stunt for the film.
A really uncomfortable truth about Hollywood is that
there's now calculations being made
that this is not a career-ender.
I think that calculation got made with Jared Leto.
"We can quash it, we can ride it out, we can deflect it
"and, six months from now, or, you know, six minutes from now,
"another story will come down the pike
"and suck up all the oxygen in the room."
We were still working on our investigation in the background.
40 women had written into Allie.
Nine women had gone on the record with Air Mail.
So we were really asking ourselves,
how widespread was this...
...and how long has it been going on for?
We started digging deeper...
...and that's when we found Etta.
The first email,
he just sent an image of the invitation.
"Jared Leto cordially invites you to a celebration."
I said, "I thank you for the invite, but I couldn't make it,
"even though I'm sure it would have been fun."
And he responded, "Text me,"
and gave me his number.
I didn't even consider how weird it was
to be invited by a 42-year-old man, at 16, to a party.
I know, for sure, if not then,
I did tell him a couple days later when we were texting.
We texted for a couple days and then...
Then, he would start mostly calling.
PHONE VIBRATES
He never would call me without making it a private number.
I think he did his best to make sure there was no proof.
Like, at first, it was, like, you know,
"Who did you sign with?
"Oh, how did it go?"
But it quickly moved into, um...
"Oh, well, you're a virgin. Do you have any kinks?
"Like, what are you interested in?
"Oh, can you squirt?"
Like, he seemed very interested in squirting.
He did, at least once, mention him and I having sex at some point.
Um, I remember feeling, like, nervous.
A little anxious,
a little uncomfortable,
but, like, at the time, I remember I had a really hard time,
like, saying "no" to things or, like, putting boundaries up.
He asked me if he could give my number to a friend of his.
I just remember him, you know,
telling me that it was, like, a business thing.
And I was like, "Yeah, sure. Whatever. That's fine."
This guy, he told me his name was Christian,
he would call me a lot.
He wanted to...
...hire me to shoot porn.
And he was like, "You know, it doesn't matter if you're underage.
"We'll work it out.
"Like, you know, we'll get a really nice house in the hills.
"You know, we'll have, like, six guys in the shower,
"and have them, like, come all over you."
And because he would also call me from a private number,
I wouldn't know, sometimes, if it was going to be Jared or him.
They both were really obsessed
with mentioning the possibility of squirting.
Both of them, yeah.
I think it would not be that surprising
if that ended up being the truth, you know?
And how old are you? You.
17. Come here.
Come here.
Give me a hug, first of all.
CHEERING
LAUGHTER
OK, you can let go now.
What's your name? Kate.
Kate. Where are you from?
LA. You're from LA?
"That's what I like about high school girls."
LAUGHTER
"I keep getting older, they just stay the same age.
"All right, all right, all right.
"All right, all right, all right."
There have been allegations swirling around Leto for decades.
All the way back in 2005,
there was an article in the New York Post
alleging that Leto was approaching
teen and underage girls at a hotel in New York,
and texting them.
But what we were really surprised by
was just how many allegations actually exist online.
I counted around 120 allegations
relating to highly concerning behaviour
women said they had witnessed,
heard about or experienced themselves,
and some of these allegations dated right back to the early 2000s.
OK, well, down memory lane, right?
I have a few photos here of...
...back in that day, when I was a little bit younger.
Oh, my gosh. You guys remember pictures?!
Everything's digital now.
There's no such thing.
OK. This is definitely high school.
I recognise my high school that I used to go to.
Oh, my gosh. This is probably right around...
Like, right around the time when I met him.
I look like such a baby.
Looking back on these pictures, it's...
...it's so crazy to...
I mean, I look... Yeah, I look so young.
I've always been this, like, free spirit type of person.
And I still, actually, to this day, one of those
"act first, think second", you know?
Just try things and then, if it works out, great,
and if it doesn't, then now you know.
In 2002, when I was 17,
I had this job at Planet Hollywood
in Las Vegas.
I worked in the mall.
A group of guys came in.
One of them looked familiar.
So, I said, "Oh, you look familiar.
And he was like, "Well, what high school did you go to?"
And I said, "Oh, I went to..." You know, this high school.
And he was like, "Oh, no way. Me too."
His friends started laughing
and they were like, "He didn't go to your high school."
They were like, "He's famous.
"This is Jared Leto."
They're coughing.
"He has this movie coming out called Panic Room..."
Nobody's going to die, man!
Will you please have the balls to follow through with something?
"..and we're in Vegas cos we actually just started this band,
"called Thirty Seconds To Mars."
"Oh, cool." Like, "That's awesome.
"You know, you're famous."
I still didn't know who he was, right?
So you were saying, all last night, you missed it.
So I was just showing them around
and taking them through the store,
and it was just, you know, like a...
...you know, like a fun, casual vibe. That's when Jared Leto was like,
"Hey, like, you seem really cool."
You know, "Can I get your phone number?"
Like, "Would you like to hang out later?"
"Yeah." You know, I'm like, "Oh, cool."
Like, he's a celebrity, right? I'm 17.
This is a happy fucking day.
I think that was the first time I ever met a celebrity.
And so I was going to meet up with him after work,
and he asked me to come meet him in his hotel.
It was really close to my work
and I pulled in, and it was this dingy motel.
I didn't think much of it.
I just was like, "Oh, he's still getting ready
"and we're going to meet up there
"and then we're going to go out afterwards."
So I knocked on the door, went in...
...I sat on the bed and he was like,
"Hey, yeah, I'm just going to hop in the shower real quick.
"Do you mind waiting?"
And I was like, "No, of course not." Like, "Go finish getting ready."
Um...
Sorry. This is where it gets hard.
Oh, sorry. I've got to, like, get myself together.
I was sitting on the bed waiting for him to get ready and...
...and he called me
and he was like, "Hey, like, come in here
"so we can talk while I'm, you know, in the shower."
And so I went into the bathroom.
I don't think there was many words exchanged.
And when he opened the shower curtain...
...he started kissing me.
Uh, and then he grabbed my hand.
I don't even know how to say this part,
but he grabbed my hand and he...
...I guess, started, like, touching himself with my hand -
like, using my hand to, I guess, masturbate himself with my hand.
Um...
...and, um...
...alarms started going off in my head, like,
"What are you doing here?"
Like, "This is not what you came here for."
And in that moment, I...
...I definitely realised that I was not in a great situation.
You know, I'm alone in this room and...
Like, I didn't know what was going to happen, right?
I pulled away and I was like, "OK, I'm going to go."
He got out, put a towel on.
There's a weird thing that I-I always remembered.
He looked... He went outside and I remember he, like,
specifically, like, looked to the left and looked...
Almost, like, seeing if there was anybody around...
...before he let me out of the room.
We didn't... We didn't have internet in our hands, right?
And I was at work.
I got off work.
I met up with him.
And so I didn't know anything about him till
after everything, when I went home,
and then I looked him up on... like, a computer, you know?
And that's when I realised he was in his early 30s.
You know, I'm in my 40s now...
...and...
...my whole life...
...I had viewed this event as...
...I was a stupid girl...
...that did something stupid, did something dumb...
...and so this bad thing happened.
But of course it did, because...
...I did something dumb and so...
...it's on me.
I don't think I ever, till recently, ever...
...blamed him.
I always blamed me.
In 2005, Thirty Seconds To Mars release an album
called A Beautiful Lie,
and on that album was a song called
The Kill,
which was incredibly popular...
♪ Come break me down
♪ Bury me, bury me
♪ I am finished with...
♪ You... ♪
♪ Look in my eyes
♪ You're... Killin' me, killin' me
♪ I am finished with you! ♪
...and it really saw their entry into the mainstream.
How are you doing, New York City?
CHEERING
Suddenly, Leto had access to this huge, devoted fan base,
many of whom were young teenage girls.
As a teenager, I was very much so a punk, Goth kid.
I had coloured hair, I wore fishnets,
I wore black lipstick, I wore black nail polish.
The scene was so supportive.
It was just a sense of... like a community.
The first time I ever heard Thirty Seconds To Mars
was on the radio, and I was instantly hooked.
I was literally listening to The Kill on repeat.
I saw Thirty Seconds To Mars at the 99X X-Mas Ball.
My mom got me tickets.
The concert was absolutely amazing.
Oh, I was in heaven when I saw Jared Leto onstage.
As a 14-year-old girl with a little...
...with a little crush on him.
So, Thirty Seconds To Mars gets offstage.
CHEERING
They were allowing people to get autographs and meet them.
I walked up to Jared Leto,
told him, "I'm a huge fan,"
and I held my shirt out for him to sign,
hopefully on an arm or maybe on the belly
and, instead, he chose to sign my shirt across my breasts.
And he told me, "You have a nice rack."
And in that timeframe,
he asked his bodyguard to go ahead and take me backstage.
He didn't even ask me if I wanted to go backstage.
He literally looked at his security guard and said,
"Take her... take her back."
I was very short.
I had braces.
It was very obvious that I was a teenager.
My mother, who was standing next to me,
was like, "That's my daughter.
"She's fucking 14."
And he looked at her and said,
"It's still a nice rack."
We didn't get to stay and finish the concert.
My mom took me home.
This was not a pleasant experience
to have to go through.
You should not be touching my breasts in any way, shape or form.
I was 14,
and that was supposed to be a sense of community for me.
Things like that aren't supposed to happen at metal shows.
I'm going to cry.
Things like that aren't supposed to happen when you...
...are supposed to be enjoying yourself.
Thank you.
It really altered my life in a real way.
I stopped going to concerts altogether.
I stopped listening to that kind of music.
I really felt like I had been taken advantage of.
What turns me on?
I would like to answer that by asking a question.
What doesn't turn me on?
We wanted to speak to insiders from the mid-2000s.
So, people who had spent time with Leto,
who had worked with him in the context of his band.
So, we contacted hundreds of people -
producers, crew members, tour staff, even bandmates...
...and it was really, really hard getting people to talk to us.
A lot of them were scared to speak out.
Many had signed NDAs.
But then, eventually, we found Simon.
I think that's him.
Hi, Simon. Hi.
Jessica. Thank you so much for coming all this way.
OK, let me introduce you to... the lurkers over here.
Speaking to me anonymously -
is that for fear of repercussions?
I don't want to be notable in this at all, but...
...I do want to do my part.
Would I want to tell my daughter...
...that I didn't stand up for what was right
when I got an opportunity to say something?
Let's talk about Thirty Seconds To Mars.
I worked with the band for about a decade.
Jared was generally very focused
and hard-working. Very demanding.
He had a clear vision of what he wanted.
During one period of time,
they'd set up their recording equipment in a spare room
in the house, with just a desk
and a few chairs,
a microphone,
a couple of packing blankets.
He would be texting with girls.
There would probably, typically on a given day,
be about two girls that might stop by.
It wasn't uncommon that he would go let them in,
sort of point to a chair for them to sit down,
and possibly ignore them for about 10, 15 minutes.
He might make a sort of rude remark.
Maybe it might be, "You're a dirty girl, aren't you?"
The feeling...
...was he was trying to assert control,
trying to assert a sense of power.
There was one particular instance that I clearly remember,
where a girl had to be dropped off by her parents.
This particular girl was very young-looking, and...
...Jared would have been in his early 30s.
They took off to the bedroom.
When they returned, and she wanted a photo with him
and she tried to give him a kiss on the cheek,
he stopped her...
...and wanted to make sure that the photo looked like
a sort of spontaneous platonic meeting.
At that point, she had to contact her parents to come pick her up.
Probably only an hour had gone by.
She just kind of sat there.
The feeling in the air,
it felt like shame and embarrassment.
I just remember being really moved by it.
So what did you think
when the allegations started to surface last year?
I remember reading the articles
and then coming across a video
that a young woman had made, speaking of her time with Jared.
I remember her reciting some of the things Jared would say to her.
There was no question about it,
she wasn't making it up.
This is his language.
Could you show me the video you're talking about?
I first met him when I had
just turned 17 and he was 33.
I met him after a Thirty Seconds To Mars concert.
He had started to move from just, like, flirting,
to saying things of a more sexual nature.
He literally started calling me Lolita,
telling me he was old enough to be my father.
He knew I was 17.
He... did various things, like kiss my neck,
touch my chest, take my hand, put it on top of his pants.
One time I was backstage with him,
he grabbed my face and made me promise
that I wasn't going to tell anyone.
Did those behaviours that she's describing feel familiar to you?
It's uncanny, the things she says about how he would behave with her.
It's upsetting. It's disturbing.
It completely brings back memories of what I witnessed.
His band was having a concert.
I was with another girl.
And we were backstage.
I was 17.
It wasn't actually Jared Leto who approached me.
He had sent an acquaintance of his, probably in his 40s.
He was a comedian. And he told me, you know,
"Jared's seen you from where he is over there,
"and he was interested in getting your number."
I didn't actually meet him at that venue at that time.
That would come later.
You know, most young girls saw him very much as a heart-throb.
You know, very handsome, great features.
Professionally, very good at what he did as an actor, as a singer.
He was a very magnetic person.
At that age, I had just been coming out of
a really awkward time in adolescence.
I had always been very, very shy. Painfully shy.
I'd blush a lot, I'd trip over my words.
It was very validating
that someone like him would be interested in me at all.
So, sometime after that concert,
there had been some text exchanges.
He had invited me to meet him at a place called the Chateau Marmont,
which is right there in the main area of Hollywood.
I had a friend with me at the time, so he said,
"Go ahead and bring her."
It's a very kind of secluded, upscale place where they cater to
a lot of A-list celebrities,
so it was intimidating at first going in there.
He was at a table with friends.
He kind of waved us over, we sat down, my friend and I,
and just having some general banter about things.
We had kind of drifted into the realm to talk about
the age of consent.
I had mentioned to him that my dad was in law enforcement,
that I knew with certainty that, here in California,
the age of consent is 18.
He just kind of shrugged it off like it wasn't a huge concern for him.
And he knew at that point that you were 17?
Oh, yes. He did know. Yeah.
So, after that, he had told me
that they were about to head back to his house.
So, we'd walked in the door
and I remember immediately, off to the side,
there were these two really distinct statues from the Clockwork Orange.
And he had them... They were two females,
and he had them arranged in, like, a very sexual position.
He had shown us where his bedroom was.
We had gone in, we were sitting on the bed with him.
And so, he suggested to my friend,
"You can wait in the computer room while her and I hang out."
That is when things had turned sexual,
when my friend was in the other room.
So there was probably, I would say,
about three or four times that I had been to his residence.
There was one time in particular where I had gone over,
I let him know that I was there.
He opened the door and he had told me
that he was in the middle of some sort of interview.
So he let me in the house...
...I went down the hallway into his bedroom
and he had made a comment of,
"By the time I get back, I would like your clothes to be off."
So, he had gone out, finished the interview.
He'd come back in the room and he said,
when he noticed that I was undressed,
something to the effect of, "Brave little girl."
It was this theme that he kind of
stuck with, wanting to see me as a younger girl.
He told me, "I would like you to call me Daddy,"
and it was either, "and pretend to be A little girl or MY little girl."
I had so little exposure to anything sexual, really,
at that time as a teenager.
Was this what, you know, is expected
when you're intimate with somebody older?
Is this what they say, is this what they do?
Just wondering if it was normal.
As time went on, I realised more and more
how scary that really was,
being that age and being so naive and vulnerable.
There is no well-adjusted man in his 30s...
...who's going to look at a teenager and think,
you know, "Wow, she would be a great partner."
The only reason to approach somebody like that
is because of how easily manipulated they are.
Let's talk about the lyrics.
You can probably guess which lyrics I'm going
to pick out of Up In The Air. I'll be...
Oh, I don't know. Surprise me.
"I'll wrap my hands around your neck so tight
"with love, love, love."
Yeah. Quite erotic. Is it?
Um, tell us a little bit more...
It's funny that you would take it that way.
Well, tell us what the song's about, if that's not what it is.
Well, I think - what is it they say? -
um, everything is about sex
except for sex.
Sex is about power.
In the late 2000s, Jared actually took a break
from acting to focus on his band, Thirty Seconds To Mars.
They were really gaining a massive fanbase across Europe.
It's from this period that we noticed a lot of videos online
of Leto inviting young girls up onstage.
Oh, shit, that's so crazy.
♪ And the story goes... ♪
AUDIENCE SINGS
Hello? Oh, hi, Brad.
It's Jessica from the BBC. How are you doing?
I'm good. How are you? I'm good.
Brad toured with Thirty Seconds To Mars around this time,
and he agreed to speak with me
about his experience of working with Leto.
At the time I was working for them,
they were a very big band, you know,
uh, headlining arenas in lots of different countries.
What was the atmosphere like on tour?
Very tense.
I've been on the road since I was a teenager
and Jared is one of the worst people
I've ever worked for, in any way, shape or form.
Nice to see you.
Give me a hug. It's been a long time.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
Good to see your face.
We've met before.
Yeah, I remember, of course. How could I forget?
CROWD SCREAMS
How could I ever forget?
No. I'm joking, I'm joking.
Of course I remember you. You're beautiful.
Did anyone on the crew feel uncomfortable about
the way Jared was interacting with female fans?
No-one enjoyed watching that or being involved in that,
if he ever asked anyone to get
a phone number or anything like that.
I think everyone thought that the age gap was way too big.
And what sort of age range were these girls, do you think?
Teens.
Yeah, you with the pink hair. Come over here. With the pink hair.
Pink hair, pink hair, pink hair, pink hair.
Pink. Pink. Pink hair.
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Would he ever ask for any of the fans to be brought backstage?
I remember at least one or two incidents
of girls coming onstage for the final song
and... crew members being instructed to,
you know, grab those girls
and invite them to come backstage after the show.
And he would talk to them in his dressing room
and... I couldn't tell you what happened from there.
Was there anything else
crew members were asked to do that made them feel uncomfortable?
Uh, whenever they would play cities
that had a lot of modelling agencies, like Milan
or Berlin, Paris etc,
crew members were instructed to call up the modelling agencies
and offer free tickets for the female models.
They would give all of the models
VIP passes and they would have a room backstage for them.
I know that people involved in that
did not particularly enjoy having to do that,
because it was all... Well, I mean,
calling up a modelling agency and saying, "We only want
"your female models," is a little bit uncomfortable.
And who requested this?
That was direct from Jared.
I moved to London in 2013.
I went to Elite Models.
There was a manager from my agency
who told me that Thirty Seconds To Mars had put out
an invitation that we could go and see the show
and then there was also a VIP meet-up afterwards
that we could go to.
The concert was at the O2.
It was a good concert, I remember.
Somehow the assistant got to me and asked if I wanted to go
to an afterparty at Shoreditch House.
And I remember thinking to myself, "I've never been there.
"I want to go. I want to see what it is."
So we were eight people, mostly just women, and then Jared.
I remember going to the bathroom and when I came out,
he was standing, like, in the corridor.
He says something and it gets me to say, "Do you know how old I am?"
And then he... says, "No,"
and then I lie and I say, "I'm 17."
At the time, I'm 19.
I just remember that I felt the need to say
that I'm younger than I am.
He said, "Age is just a number
"and, anyway, we're in Europe."
I remember speaking to the assistant, who was saying
that there was the next place to go to.
It was in a hotel.
I was a bit drunk and my phone was dying.
So I was saying, "But I don't know where it is.
"How am I going to get there?"
She kept, like, pushing and saying, "It's really easy.
"It's right over there."
The assistant is a woman, so I trusted her.
I get into the hotel room.
It's really dark.
And then I see that it's just him.
"Weren't there supposed to be other people?"
And I think he just says, "No, it's just you and I."
Then I'm sat there and saying, "OK, well, my phone is dying,
"so I can't really get home from here."
So I ask him if he has a phone charger.
"No, I don't."
"OK. I also don't have any cash left.
"Could I get some cash to get a cab home?"
"No, I don't have any cash."
I was sat on a chaise longue kind of thing.
So I was kind of like, thinking to myself, "Could I just sleep here?"
I ask him, "Can I just sleep here, then?"
And then he just goes,
"If you're going to sleep here,
"you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass."
And I think I ask him, like, "What did you say?"
And he says this a few times. "If you're going to sleep here,
"you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass."
At that point, I was like, "I'm not safe here.
"OK, I need to get out."
I went to the bathroom first,
and then, from there, I was closer to the door.
When I got out of the hotel, I remember being really angry.
I was angry at myself for going into the hotel room.
I came home at, I think, six in the morning.
I texted my then best friend.
And she was saying, "He was threatening sexual assault.
"You should report him."
And in my head, I was like, "Nah.
"I put myself in that situation.
"He didn't touch me. It was probably a misunderstanding.
"I was probably the only one."
But I'm probably not the only one.
And it's probably been a lot worse. Yeah.
Do you feel like you were tricked into going to that hotel?
Throughout this whole night,
I told the assistant all the reasons
why I shouldn't go to the next place.
And every time that I had an excuse for not going,
I was getting nudged to go further.
The assistant knew what to say to lure me into his hotel room.
It seemed that it was planned out.
"Never have I ever hooked up with a fan on tour."
Oh! Really? Yeah. Yeah.
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How did staff feel about having
to procure women for Jared in this way?
I don't think anyone liked being involved,
but it's also the kind of camp where I think everyone
is slightly fearful for their job
and you don't want to say no to anything.
He's not really someone you want to fuck with.
He had a lot of people around
that just were constantly jumping through hoops
for him and doing anything he demanded.
There's sort of a secret rule
that you don't talk about what the creative talent does in Hollywood.
There's a general sense of just turning a blind eye.
Not a single person spoke up.
There were not only just men of his age, but also women.
These dozens of people
who were travelling with him, touring with him.
Not a single one said anything
to myself about looking out for him or being concerned
about how young I looked hanging around him.
Nobody said anything.
An enormous part of everything
that we're talking about is money.
In Hollywood, in music,
there's a superstructure.
There's layers and layers of people around
the individual who are incentivised to say and do nothing -
assistants, manager, lawyer...
...and an unfortunate reality with these kinds of stories is
that it is not uncommon for sources to be silenced.
Everyone has a vested interest in all of this going away.
Um, it's about two years after I met him,
I got a call from Jared.
From what I recall,
he said his lawyer was concerned about his relationships with women.
Uh, he kind of, like, chuckled,
laughed at that part and said that he...
...uh, that his lawyer wants to have all the women in his life sign NDAs.
I mean, I didn't feel comfortable with it, like, right away,
but I was willing to, like, look at it.
It didn't just cover, like, present and future.
It covered things that I would have said in the past.
"Commencing on the date on which my association with you began,
"I hereby acknowledge and agree that a confidential
"relationship exists between you and me."
It didn't seem right being able to be held liable
for something that I had done previously,
before I even knew I wasn't allowed to speak about him.
It seemed like a really great way to get sued.
I never signed it.
I made an excuse the first time, and then just didn't respond after that.
How has it gotten this far
without this becoming a larger scandal?
People knew about it in Los Angeles and in Hollywood.
Is it people just not wanting
to believe the allegations about him?
Is it because they believe what he's accused of isn't that bad?
Is it just because they've met him
and think he's charming and fun and cool?
Frankly, honestly, I don't get it.
Three women, after they spoke to me for my article,
asked me to retract their testimony
because they were pursuing legal action against him.
I'm not sure what came of the legal action.
I know that there's been no kind of case in the public domain thus far.
It's been a year since the Air Mail article was published,
and since then, Leto has been in two major movies.
Most recently, he played Skeletor in Masters Of The Universe.
Thirty Seconds To Mars have announced
that they're going on tour in 2027.
So we have no idea what the impact of our investigation
is going to be because, honestly, it seems Leto's career
has been unaffected by previous allegations.
Seeing him continue to do whatever he wants to do
and get accolades for it is pretty infuriating,
because he's left a trail
of emotional destruction for a lot of young women.
It makes me lose faith because, like,
why... why are you supporting a man like that?
How can you support a man like that?
So do you think he thought that he'd get away with it?
Well, he has. Right? He HAS gotten away with it.
This was 25 years ago.
Um... apparently he's been doing it.
Apparently people know about it.
So, by all means, I think he has gotten away with it.