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Dad?
Are you up here?
Dadda, can you help me draw Mummy on this piece of paper?
Alex, look at me.
When you saw the bad man, was he in front of you like I am?
Or was he on this side, or was he on that side?
-He was in front of me. -He was right in front of you?
Did Mummy see him?
I don't think she did.
No? Did you see him first?
Yeah, I saw him first.
Did he have a bag?
Yeah.
And did he open it, or was it already open?
He opened it.
And what did he get out?
A knife.
-What did he do to you? -Knocked me over!
The bad man was sticking his things in her.
What was he sticking in her?
A knife. There's his knife.
Did you see it?
Yeah, I saw the knife.
Did you see all the times?
I saw it… Yeah, I saw it all.
Will you show Jean your dinosaur book?
Look, my dinosaur book.
But I like all of them.
The dinosaur was that big one.
There was this huge dinosaur on the ground.
The three little ones were eating it, weren't they?
They were covered in blood, weren't they?
Alex had blood on him, didn't you? You had blood on you.
All your clothes were covered in blood, weren't they?
When you were with Mummy that day.
I think you know now that terrible things suddenly happen.
I think you're very frightened.
So when you saw the man standing there,
was he looking at you, or was he looking at Mummy?
Mummy.
-So he didn't say anything to you? -No.
He didn't shout at you?
-Did he shout at you or not, Alex? -No.
-Alex, did he hit you? -No.
-With his hand? -No.
Well, I can't tell you that bit.
No, it's really painful to remember it, isn't it?
-I can't tell you that bit. -No?
You know when Mummy was lying on the ground and the man had gone?
-Did you say anything to her? -No.
-Did you talk to her at all? -No.
Were you scared?
Mmm.
-Did you think she was asleep? -Mmm.
Did you want her to wake up?
Mmm.
Did she wake up?
No.
Alex, the man who hurt your mummy, what type of trousers did he have?
-Um, this one. -That one?
-What color were they? -Blue.
What color were his shoes?
That color.
I can't remember that bit.
Don't keep asking me these questions, Daddy.
I'm fed up.
Talk another time about the rest, huh?
No, I would be still fed up.
Alex?
The man who killed Mummy, where was he?
Was it here?
When did he start talking to Mummy?
Do you remember?
You said to me once
that he was talking to Mummy before he killed Mummy.
Do you remember where he was talking to Mummy?
Down by the pond?
This is fucking stupid.
Dadda, can you help me draw Mummy on this piece of paper?
Did Mummy see him?
I don't think she did.
No? Did you see him first?
Yeah, I saw him first.
Did he have a bag?
Yeah.
And did he open it, or was it already open?
He opened it.
And what did he get out?
A knife.
There's Mummy. There's the bad man.
Where's the knife?
-What did he do to you? -Knocked me over!
The bad man was sticking his things in her.
-What was he sticking in her? -A knife. There's his knife.
Did you see it?
Yeah, I saw the knife.
Did you see all the times?
I saw it… Yeah, I saw it all.
-Did you see everything pretty much? -Yeah, I saw everything.
Did you look the other way?
Yeah, I looked that way.
I looked that way to see if anything else was happening.
Was it really horrible?
Yes, it was really horrible.
We have to look at the fantasies as they've progressed
as you've written to Lizzie James.
The increasing deviance,
the increasing domination, the increasing violence.
The need to humiliate and dominate.
I think what happened is you walked off down the windmill path,
and you sat down on a little patch of grass.
I think you actually described it in one of your letters to Lizzie James.
The fact that you see this gorgeous blonde woman
approaching from a distance.
-Is that what happened to Rachel? -No comment.
You looked down from your vantage point and spied her.
And you rushed down, and you ambushed her.
And you pushed the little boy face down.
Pushed the little boy face down into the mud.
-No comment. -And you stabbed Rachel 49 times.
No comment.
On 15th July 1992, on Wimbledon Common,
you murdered Rachel Nickell,
causing her death by multiple stab wounds.
No comment.