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[man] I'm trying to look
like a professional here.

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-Got it. Nice and neat. Clean.
-[man] Yes, thank you.

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[woman] What do you do for work?

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[man] Well, I am…

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Well, before…

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How can I say this?

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I used to work in finance.

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I acquired companies
from the stock market.

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[woman] Hmm.

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[man] But over the last 30 years,
I've been, uh…

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I've been on the run.

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-In hiding.
-[woman] In hiding?

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[man] Yes, Interpol and everything.

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[intriguing music intensifies]

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[Karin af Klintberg]
He's been in hiding for 30 years,

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the man alleged to be behind
one of Sweden's largest financial crimes,

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in what came to be known

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as the Trustor affair.

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[reporter 1] The man behind
the suspected fraud

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is a 33-year-old from Stockholm.

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The main perpetrator in the Trustor affair
is Joachim Posener.

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[reporter 2] Joachim Posener,

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the man suspected
of being the brains behind the operation.

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[reporter 3] Joachim Posener is wanted
by Interpol.

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[Karin] Rumour has it
that he got away with 100 million,

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had plastic surgery

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and has been living in hiding
in all corners of the world.

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THAT'S WHERE THE FRAUD'S HIDING

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[reporter 4] Police have a new lead
regarding his whereabouts.

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There was talk about Moscow, Tel Aviv,

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Rio de Janeiro, Barbados, Iraq,

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and a myriad of other countries.

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EXPRESSEN FOUND
SUSPECT'S HOME IN ISRAEL

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[Karin] A reward was offered
for information

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that could lead to an arrest.

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The police received tips of all kinds.

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THE WANTED JOACHIM POSENER

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Some said that he had a ponytail,

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very large feet,

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spoke with a Scanian accent,

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drank Pepsi,

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and that he was hiding
in the Big Brother house.

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But Joachim Posener was never found.

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The story goes that in 1997,

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he and four other people managed to buy
the investment company Trustor,

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using Trustor's own money.

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[reporter 1] This is unprecedented in
the history of the Swedish stock exchange.

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[reporter 2] Somehow,
hundreds of millions of Trustor's funds

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have been traced to bank accounts
all across the world.

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[reporter 3] One of the biggest
financial frauds in Swedish history.

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[Karin] But how did the whole affair
come to be?

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Who did what,

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and how did life turn out
for those who were involved?

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INSIDE THE TRUSTOR SCANDAL

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A FILM BY KARIN AF KLINTBERG

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[on radio] ♪ Now listen up
Here's the story ♪

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♪ About a little guy
that lives in a blue world… ♪

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[man] I had no idea what a damn mess
this company takeover would be

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when I first got involved.

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♪ Inside and outside… ♪

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[Karin] This "damn mess"
has been under investigation for years.

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Yet what actually happened
still remains unclear,

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with everyone involved
having their own side of the story.

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["Blue (Da Ba Dee)"
by Eiffel 65 continues on radio]

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To bring some clarity,

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I reached out to those who were involved
in one way or another.

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One of them
is the consultant Thomas Jisander,

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the guy parking his Ferrari.

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[Thomas] You might think
I should've known from the start

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what was actually going to happen
with this affair.

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CONSULTANT, TRUSTOR

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But I didn't.

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[Karin] I also met the vice president,

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who is still affected to this day.

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[Richard] Something broke in my brain.
I've barely slept since 1997.

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DEPUTY CEO, TRUSTOR, 1997

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[Karin]
As well as the investigative reporter.

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[Gunnar] I felt in my gut
that something wasn't right.

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[Karin] And the police officer
that hunted down Joachim Posener.

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[Jochum] It haunts me
that we didn't catch the main suspect

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behind the Trustor affair.

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Shit.

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[Karin] And lastly, the seasoned financier

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who tried to clean up the mess.

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[Björn] It's one thing
to be tough in business,

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but when it comes to criminals,
I have no qualms.

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[Karin] And then there's Joachim Posener,

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who neither the police nor Interpol
managed to find in those 30 years.

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His side of the story has never been told,

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whether it was worth the price
of leaving his family and children behind

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to live in hiding.

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After an extensive search,

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I managed to obtain the email address

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of the missing Joachim Posener.

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SORRY TO NAG…

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THIRD TIME LUCKY…

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And when I expressed
that I was only looking for the truth…

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DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE
WHO'S TELLING THE TRUTH

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…he finally replied.

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INBOX

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[message alert tone]

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[tense music playing]

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[Joachim] I got your email and read it.

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And… okay.

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I'll agree to schedule a meeting with you

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somewhere in Europe.

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[Karin] What are the terms?

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[Joachim] I still want
the option to back out.

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[Karin] How will I know it's you
when I see you?

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[Joachim] You'll recognise this voice.

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And even though it's been 30 years,

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I don't look that different.

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[tense music continues]

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BRUSSELS

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[Karin] The first meeting
was in a public place,

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where Joachim Posener
could watch us from a distance.

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The agreement was that we were
only allowed to film him from behind.

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No one knows
what he looks like these days.

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[music softens]

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Hello, I'm Joachim.

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[Karin] There are very few
official photos of Joachim Posener.

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Which makes sense
for someone who doesn't want to be found.

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While on the run,
he has given a single TV interview.

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But since he was actively wanted
by police at the time,

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he didn't want to show his face.

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And he lied his way
through the entire interview.

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People claim you're the mastermind
behind the Trustor affair. Were you?

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[Joachim] No, absolutely not.

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I had nothing to do with any of this.

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I entered the picture in August.

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Before that, I…

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[Karin] You've never really
explained what happened.

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Why have you decided to come forward now?

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[Joachim] We're past
the statute of limitations.

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There's no reason to stay silent any more.

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[Karin] Will you tell the truth
in our interview? Will you tell the truth?

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[Joachim] I definitely won't lie.

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-[Karin] About anything?
-[Joachim] No.

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But you'll have to ask
the right questions.

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[pulsating music playing]

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[Karin] The people involved

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had their own reasons
for being part of the deal.

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[Thomas] To me, it was about making money,

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and feeling like I was a success.

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Money gives you a kind of freedom,

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and it's a confirmation
of whether you're successful or not.

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Ever since I was a kid,

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I've been fascinated by
big yachts and nice cars.

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Excuse me!

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Eighty? Eight-zero, right?

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What is the model?

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I dreamt of becoming very rich,

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to charter a yacht
after a successful deal,

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sit on top of an Acta deck
with a drink in hand

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and feel like I did a really good job.

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I wanted to make money,

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and feel like I deserved
that childhood dream.

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[Richard] My dream
was to get into the finance world.

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I was obsessed with it.

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I used to sell business systems.

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Wherever I worked,
I was usually the best salesman.

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But what I really wanted
was to be the boss.

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Which was a crazy goal,

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because it turns out
that I'm not a very good boss.

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Back in the day, when you had a yacht,

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it had to be at least 100 to 115 feet.

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That was the limit
for it to be considered as a yacht.

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How long is this one?

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Twenty-seven?

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These days, standards are a bit higher.

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Now, I wouldn't call it a yacht
if it's not at least 165 feet.

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Otherwise,
you definitely can't call it a yacht.

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No one remembers a coward.

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[Karin] Joachim Posener
had other motives for the deal.

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After our first meeting
with Joachim Posener,

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we were allowed to continue meeting
in various locations across Europe.

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[Joachim clears throat]

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[Joachim] So.

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You managed to get me here.

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[Karin] I was not allowed
to film his face. At least not at first.

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He has one rule,

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no questions about his family.

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It's a rule I'll come to bend eventually.

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[Joachim] I still control
every little detail of my life.

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It becomes a… habit

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when you live life on the run.

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If you want to avoid being found,
you've got to be bland,

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uninteresting and invisible.

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You've got to disappear
and blend into the crowd.

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You can't attract anyone's attention.

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While on the run from the police,
I lived a bit like a secret agent.

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I sacrificed my family
and my life for freedom.

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Not for the money.

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[Karin] Have you visited Sweden
in the last 30 years?

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[Joachim] Not even once.

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[Karin] Why didn't you return home?

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[Joachim] I couldn't bring myself to serve
a maximum sentence in prison again.

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I barely got through
the last sentence I served.

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[Karin] "The last sentence"
refers to the prison sentence

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that Joachim Posener served
before the Trustor affair.

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In the late 1980s,
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22-year-old Posener had already begun
trading stocks and options,

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and selling creative tax solutions.

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At first, things went well.

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Business was booming
and he was making millions.

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[upbeat electronic music playing]

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[Joachim] I wanted respect
in the financial world,

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even though I didn't belong.

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I was young and wanted
to be part of the financial elite.

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I wanted everything fast.

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I took shortcuts.
I didn't have time for the scenic route.

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I hadn't even finished law school.

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My greatest fear was
to live this life unnoticed.

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And not… leave my mark on the world.

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[music fades]

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It led to me working extremely hard,

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pushing for bigger and better things,

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so I could leave a trace
of my existence in this world.

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[Karin] Joachim Posener founded
investment company Thul with a colleague.

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It had offices on fancy streets
in Stockholm and Copenhagen.

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The only problem was that they
didn't have any money to do business with.

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[Joachim] In 1991,
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loans were impossible to get.

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But I was able to find a way
to use rigged options.

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It doesn't have to exist.
It just needs to look like it does.

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[phone dials out]

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I had invented a way

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to create as many assets as I wanted,
on paper.

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That led us to acquiring
four publicly listed companies in Denmark.

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But that also meant

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that we had acquired them
under not-so-legal circumstances.

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I had bought a house

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and had just had a daughter.

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OUR DAUGHTER
JANUARY 13TH

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And life was great.

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-Then there was a knock at the door.
-[doorbell rings]

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And it was the police.

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[news theme playing]

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[reporter] From this house, two Swedes
tried to drain millions from the city.

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The masterminds
were sentenced to 6 and 4.5 years

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for financial fraud.

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NORRTÄLJE PRISON

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[Karin] Joachim Posener
was permanently expelled from Denmark

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and sentenced to six years in prison
in Sweden

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for aggravated fraud and tax evasion.

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[Joachim] It was such a shock
to receive such a severe sentence

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in a high security prison.

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I was 29 when I got locked up.

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It was…

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THEIR COUP LANDED THEM 500 MILLION

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…completely devastating.

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MARRIED
OWNER OF A VILLA

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I lost my house, my wife,
my child, custody.

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WEALTH: 1,032,000

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Everything was gone.

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It was a nightmare.

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Going from an upper middle class life
and driving a BMW to work,

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to being surrounded by walls
covered in blood and vomit.

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The Norrtälje prison.

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It was one of Sweden's toughest,
most high-security prisons.

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I didn't belong there.

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It's for people that are too dangerous
to be around others.

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I wasn't in the finance world any more.

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You're afraid constantly.

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Look at the wrong guy
the wrong way at the wrong time,

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and you get beaten up.

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They're used to fighting. I'm not.

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[alarm buzzing]

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The experience
taught me one thing, though.

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I never wanted to go through that again.

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[Karin] Yet it was in prison,

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first in Norrtälje,
then in an open facility,

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that Joachim Posener began
planning his next move.

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Which would come to be the Trustor Affair.

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[Joachim] Within a week,
I was thinking about how to do it again.

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But even better.

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My mission was to get revenge

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and eventually become legit.

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[foreboding music playing]

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[music stops]

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I had made acquiring companies
without funding

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my speciality.

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And that was the plan this time as well.

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I needed to prove to myself
that it could work.

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That I could acquire a company
with its own money

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without breaking any laws.

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[dramatic music playing]

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So I started looking
for a publicly listed company

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where I could acquire a majority stake
and take control.

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It needed to have strong cash reserves

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and, ideally, undervalued assets.

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Whenever I was out on day-release,

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I would fill bags with financial magazines
and annual reports.

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I would walk past the guard
and smuggle them right into the prison.

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I had made a list of potential companies.

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One of them was Trustor,

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but it could've been any company, really.

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[music fades]

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Since I was in prison,
I needed accomplices.

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I couldn't buy listed companies any more.

304
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,960
I was banned from the finance world.
I was burned.

305
00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,080
[phone ringing]

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That's when my cousin reached out to me.

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[phone ringing faintly]

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[wistful music playing]

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JOACHIM - COUSIN THOMAS

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[Thomas] Joachim Posener is my cousin.

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His mother and my mother were sisters.

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00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,400
So we've basically known each other
for our entire lives.

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It was around October or November 1996.

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Joachim Posener contacted me from prison.
He wanted me to visit him.

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00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,240
[Joachim] Thomas reached out to me
and said he wanted to pay me a visit.

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00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,160
So I said yes.

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He started telling me about his Thul deal
and what had happened.

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00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,840
[Joachim] Suddenly, he said,

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"If you've got something brewing
that I can be a part of, I want to do it."

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"Like you did in Denmark."

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00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,560
[Thomas] Joachim asked me to take part
in the deals he wanted to make.

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00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,400
[Joachim] Thomas nagged his way
into being included, but he knew nothing.

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CIVIL ENGINEER

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He worked with ISO 9000 certification.

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QUALITY ADVISOR - ISO 9000

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00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,480
Yeah, but I mean, I was educated enough
to understand the concept,

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even though I hadn't worked
in that field before.

328
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,440
[Joachim] I needed someone
to attend meetings in my place,

329
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,360
and he said he was willing
to do as he was told.

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This was my baby, my project.

331
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It was important to me
that I was sole captain of the ship.

332
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,320
But I had failed to anticipate

333
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that Thomas would become
blinded by the money

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and start acting stupid.

335
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,200
["Blue (Da Ba Dee)" playing faintly]

336
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,840
Look who's here! Welcome!

337
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,600
This is my home. This is the living room.

338
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,560
And… there's my little conference table
and the dining room.

339
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,680
A big American-style sofa.

340
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,160
And here…

341
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,280
is where I keep my bubbly.

342
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,000
Which I drink whenever I'm thirsty.

343
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,480
And that happens quite often.

344
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,280
So yeah, it's a refrigerator, actually.

345
00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,120
And then, uh,
I have a lovely view over Monaco.

346
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,440
Think I'm gonna pour myself a drink.

347
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,840
God, it's so bright.

348
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,680
That tastes good.

349
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,680
Here's a mini barbecue
and a small fridge. A caviar fridge.

350
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,440
Right, let's move on.

351
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,160
I've got a few coffee machines,
ice makers and stuff.

352
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,480
And this is the bedroom. It's Versace.

353
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,520
I only want the best,
so that's what I get.

354
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,400
2,100 square feet in a prime location.

355
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,840
Yup. Feels quite good.

356
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:06,760
Gets the job done.

357
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,280
[intriguing music playing]

358
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,000
[Karin] The cousins grew up
in good middle class neighbourhoods.

359
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,920
Jisander in Askim in Gothenburg…

360
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,080
IN FRONT OF THE VILLA

361
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,680
…and Posener in Lidingö in Stockholm.

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JOACHIM IS GOING ICE-SKATING

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00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,320
[Joachim] I wasn't a cool kid.

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00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,040
But I had a strong feeling
that nothing was impossible.

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00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,240
[Karin] When was the first time
you took an unlawful loan?

366
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,080
[Joachim] I was part of a financial club
in college.

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00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,320
I think I was 17 or 18.

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00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,800
And I needed to pay for something,
and they had cash.

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00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,000
So I took it.

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00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,760
I intended to pay it back,

371
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,560
but they found out it was missing
before I could.

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00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,640
It must've been…
I don't remember. 10,000 krona.

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[Karin] Do you think
that was a sign of things to come?

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00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,880
[Joachim] I think it has more to do
with how I look on laws and regulations.

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00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,320
I try to follow the laws as best I can,

376
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,720
but when they don't suit me,
I see them as guidelines.

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00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,600
[Karin] When he is temporarily
allowed to leave prison,

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00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,200
Posener takes liberties.

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00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,440
He attends business meetings
across Europe,

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00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,160
even though he isn't allowed
to leave the country.

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00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,680
After four years,
he is released, but on parole.

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00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,400
[Thomas] He got out in February 1997.

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00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,320
RELEASED!

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00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,760
He needed a place to stay.

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00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,200
I had an apartment I wasn't using,
so I let him use it.

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00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,400
[Karin] Posener is under supervision

387
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,680
and banned from commercial activities.

388
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,520
But that doesn't matter
if you're invisible.

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00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,960
[Joachim] After a while,
I realised we needed more accomplices

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00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,560
to help us get there
and to open some doors.

391
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,040
And that's when Thomas suggested
his friend Peter Mattsson.

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00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,960
[tense music playing]

393
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,920
[indistinct chatter and laughter]

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00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,240
Peter Mattsson
was from a wealthy family in Gothenburg.

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00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,960
To me, Peter Mattsson's biggest asset
was that he knew a British Lord.

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00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,520
A Lord who fit my plan perfectly.

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00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,640
[man] Peter Mattsson came to me
with this proposition and said,

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00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,080
"There are these people
who want you to front them

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00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,080
buying Trustor."

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00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720
[Karin] Lord Moyne is from the successful

401
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,760
brewery family Guinness.

402
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,360
He is indeed a British Lord.

403
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,400
But for a Lord, he is a bit strange.

404
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,240
He wears worn out loafers

405
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,440
and Rastafari bracelets.

406
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,200
He practices yoga.

407
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,920
He lives with his wife, Sue,
during the week,

408
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,120
and with his mistress, Shoe, on weekends.

409
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600
Business was not his cup of tea.

410
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,760
But the Lord needed money.

411
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,760
And he would get it,

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00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,920
so long as he fronted
the acquisition of Trustor.

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00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440
[Joachim] He was my hired figurehead.

414
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,680
With a British Lord on board,

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00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,920
I knew that every single door
was now open for us.

416
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,360
The world of finance
was eating out of his hand.

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00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,120
[Karin] No one suspected
anything was amiss.

418
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,360
The Lord was presented
as a business genius

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00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,000
who wanted to invest in the Nordics.

420
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,760
As proof of his wealth,

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00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,240
the trio showcased a British magazine

422
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,200
which claimed he was
one of England's 500 richest people.

423
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,120
But they never told anyone
that this was a factual error.

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00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,520
[Joachim] I had my frontman
and I had my two assistants,

425
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,080
but a publicly listed company needs a CEO.

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00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,160
I didn't really care who,
as long as he was cooperative

427
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,560
and knew that I'd be the one
calling the shots.

428
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,920
And Peter said, "You know what?
I know a guy, he's great."

429
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Lindsay Smallbone.

430
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,400
[intriguing music playing]

431
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,640
[Karin] Lindsay Smallbone
was from New Zealand but lived in London.

432
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,000
He moved in high society circles
alongside Lord Moyne.

433
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,680
He lived an extravagant life
and had accumulated debts,

434
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,760
so the Trustor job offer
came at an opportune time.

435
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440
And so Team Moyne was ready.

436
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080
[Joachim] From prison,
the best people I could recruit

437
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,520
were the party boys,
Jisander and Mattsson.

438
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,800
And those…

439
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520
[sighs] …well, amateurs,

440
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,520
Lord Moyne and Lindsay Smallbone.

441
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,800
It was kind of an amateur move,

442
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,200
but back then, you couldn't
look people up online, on Google.

443
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,600
That didn't exist.

444
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,520
I chose wrong,

445
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,080
it turned out.

446
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840
I should've chosen anyone
but Lindsay Smallbone.

447
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,280
He was the one who ruined everything.

448
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440
To me, they were just frontmen.

449
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680
And to afford them,
and the other costs from the acquisition,

450
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,480
I borrowed money from the underworld.

451
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,920
Hardened criminals
that I'd met in prison in Norrtälje.

452
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,440
Because I couldn't borrow
from anyone else.

453
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,600
[sinister music playing]

454
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,120
I offered them a return of 20 million

455
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,560
if they'd lend me one million.

456
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,360
And you don't play games
with these people.

457
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,280
They would kill you.

458
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480
So failure was not an option.

459
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,080
[Karin] In the spring of 1997,

460
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520
another person was brought onto the team.

461
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,120
In quite an informal interview process,

462
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Richard Djursén was recruited at the gym.

463
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,880
I met Thomas Jisander
in front of a mirror at the gym.

464
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,200
[rousing synth pop playing]

465
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,560
[Thomas] I was doing bicep curls.

466
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480
[Richard] We were there
talking to ourselves in the mirror.

467
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,400
[Thomas] Another dude
was talking to himself in the mirror.

468
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,920
He was looking at his biceps.
"Look at these guns," he said.

469
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,280
[Richard] After a while,
we decided to talk to each other instead.

470
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,240
And we became friends.

471
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,160
Thomas said he had something in the works

472
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,920
and that I could be a part of it.

473
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,040
I was dying to change jobs.

474
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,240
I wanted to get into finance.

475
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240
And this allowed me
to make that career move.

476
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,480
[music ends]

477
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Since I was a kid,
I dreamed about buying a house.

478
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,040
My own house.

479
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,880
So what's always driven me
is the will to build a house.

480
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
I didn't want money,
I just wanted a house.

481
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
And I've worked very hard to achieve that.

482
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,440
You can tell I have an inferiority complex
by the size of my house.

483
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,880
I was raised by a single mother
who cleaned hotel rooms.

484
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,240
She worked hard,
but we never had any money.

485
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040
So when I met other kids
who got bikes and mopeds and…

486
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,360
You know, I never got anything.

487
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,840
It wasn't because my mother was stingy,
she simply couldn't afford it.

488
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640
And later on,
I was placed in a foster home.

489
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,080
The napkins
won't match perfectly this time,

490
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,040
but it'll do the job.

491
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240
At Trustor,
my role was to serve as vice president…

492
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,320
CERTIFICATE
DEPUTY CEO

493
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,840
…and head of office

494
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760
at the office in Stockholm.

495
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,880
In the spring,
I knew nothing of Joachim Posener.

496
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760
I later found out
he had been involved in financial fraud,

497
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,160
but I wasn't aware of that back then.

498
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,120
[Joachim clears throat]

499
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,600
All of my frontmen knew everything.

500
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Who I was, that I was Joachim Posener.

501
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000
They knew that I was the one
buying Trustor.

502
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680
If you think everyone in the group
knew everything…

503
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960
You're wrong. We didn't.

504
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,200
[Joachim] Djursén and Jisander
both knew there was no money.

505
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,560
At the time, none of us knew

506
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400
the company was being acquired
using its own money.

507
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,960
[Joachim] They knew I bought the company
using its own money.

508
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Once again, everyone knew everything.

509
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160
But it all leads back to me.

510
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Because I'm the one who did it.

511
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
[Karin] You now want to show your face.

512
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Can you tell us why now?

513
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920
I realised it's time to be fully honest.

514
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,760
I own what I've done.

515
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,360
I'll show my face now,

516
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960
but then I'll disappear again.

517
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,480
[suspenseful music playing]

518
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
The plan was perfect.

519
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
But some things
are just out of your control.

520
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,080
[tense, pulsating music playing]

521
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
[Karin] Joachim Posener
stays in the background

522
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,320
as the negotiations with Trustor begin
in the spring of 1997.

523
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680
I got very good
at managing my assistants remotely,

524
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,920
like running a

525
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,760
little puppet show.

526
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,320
I called Thomas and told him what to say,

527
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,720
and he did great.

528
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,760
He was obedient,
a quick learner, and easy to control.

529
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Thomas's job was to be my assistant.

530
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,200
[Thomas] I wasn't just a mouthpiece.

531
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Lots of small decisions
had to be made on the fly.

532
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,640
[Joachim] I got calls daily
from my gangster friends,

533
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,040
demanding I pay them back immediately,

534
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,280
so I needed to close this deal
as soon as possible.

535
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,880
[enigmatic music playing]

536
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,680
[Karin] But how will Posener

537
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,480
convince Trustor's founder and owner,
Per-Olov Norberg, to sell?

538
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Trustor was an investment firm

539
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680
that didn't produce anything itself,

540
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,720
but bought and sold other companies.

541
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,440
And at the time,

542
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560
its portfolio held
several valuable assets.

543
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400
COMPANY
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

544
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,760
[Joachim] The owner, Norberg,
had undervalued these assets.

545
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,840
He was willing to sell, on one condition.

546
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800
That he could buy back some assets later

547
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320
at a more favourable price.

548
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Of course,
I would give him what he wanted,

549
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,920
if he gave me what I wanted.

550
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,880
He would have the option
to buy back Trustor's assets.

551
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,320
And with that sale,
I would bring cash into the company.

552
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,520
I didn't have any money.

553
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800
[wistful music playing]

554
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,560
[Karin] Joachim Posener
only needed to buy 17% of the shares

555
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920
to take control of Trustor.

556
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,360
These were high-voting A shares,

557
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280
and by acquiring them,
he would gain a majority in the company

558
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,200
and have access to its cash reserves.

559
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760
I needed a short-term loan.

560
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,720
The price tag for the Trustor shares
was a quarter of a billion krona.

561
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,960
If I could borrow that amount
for a single day,

562
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880
I could pay for the shares,

563
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,600
take control of the cash reserves,

564
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800
and then immediately pay back the loan.

565
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,600
It was simple. 24 hours was all I needed.

566
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400
[Thomas] Joachim asked me
to find a financier.

567
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,840
I managed to bring in a billionaire
who was willing to provide a loan.

568
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000
That's essentially bridge financing,

569
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,160
and it's perfectly legal.

570
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,960
[Joachim] The loan was secured,
but a legal obstacle emerged.

571
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360
A majority shareholder or board member
of a listed company

572
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840
cannot purchase the company's own assets.

573
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,800
I resolved this

574
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,880
by getting Norberg to resign
before the deal.

575
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
That gave me an unexpected advantage.

576
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600
I suddenly had a five-day extension
on the payment,

577
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,400
and didn't need the loan
from Thomas's billionaire.

578
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,960
[Thomas] After all this,
Joachim told me the financier I'd found

579
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,280
was no longer needed.

580
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,760
He had come up with another solution.

581
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,360
[Karin] Posener had put together
a massive "buy now, pay later" deal.

582
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
But that created two major problems.

583
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,120
The purchase price of 241 million
left a hole in Trustor's cash flow

584
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
that sooner or later
would need to be covered.

585
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,800
And buying a company using its own money

586
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,200
is illegal.

587
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Everything was ready. All that was missing
was Lord Moyne's signature.

588
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,200
That's when I realised
I had a big decision to make.

589
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,160
I wasn't able to find a way
to make the acquisition legal.

590
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,760
I knew that, but did it anyway.

591
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,120
It was a gamble.

592
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080
[Karin] This is where we differ.
I wouldn't have made that choice.

593
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,680
I thought it would work.

594
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,680
[tense, pulsating music playing]

595
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080
JUNE 12, 1997

596
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160
[helicopter whirring]

597
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,040
[Joachim] I wasn't in the room
when the deal with Norberg was signed.

598
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,360
But I had meticulously planned out
the meeting… beforehand.

599
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Everyone knew what their job was,
and did it.

600
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,320
[Thomas] The deal was signed
at Erik Penser Corporate Finance.

601
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,440
They had gathered
Per-Olov Norberg as the seller,

602
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Lord Moyne as the buyer,

603
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,280
I was there as a consultant,

604
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,240
Peter Mattsson was there,

605
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,560
and Erik Penser himself,
along with three of his staff members.

606
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,920
[Joachim] I sat in my room

607
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,560
waiting for a call
to say that it was done.

608
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,800
I didn't have the slightest suspicion
there was anything wrong with the deal.

609
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,920
It was sanctioned at every level.

610
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,200
And finally, the call came.

611
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,440
[phone rings]

612
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,840
It was Thomas.

613
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,680
"It's done, Jocke!"

614
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,000
[wistful music playing]

615
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,120
[Thomas] When the agreement was signed,

616
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520
it was a fantastic moment for everyone.

617
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,600
It was a massive accomplishment.

618
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,760
We actually pulled it off.

619
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,240
Done deal.

620
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,360
Yes, well…

621
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Champagne o'clock!

622
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,760
[Joachim] Finally, after four years,
the deal had come together.

623
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960
And then it was just, "Wow, I'm back."

624
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,040
[cork pops]

625
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640
There we go.

626
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,400
[pulsating electronic music playing]

627
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,200
[Karin] Team Moyne had full access
to Trustor's cash reserves.

628
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,600
But they weren't finished yet.

629
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,280
They still needed to arrange
the payments for the loan.

630
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,320
And they had five days to do it.

631
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,720
Posener sent the group to a bank in London

632
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,840
to open several new accounts.

633
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,880
This is the place.

634
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,680
[camera clicks]

635
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
The same day they walked in there,

636
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Richard Djursén
walked into a bank in Stockholm.

637
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,920
[Richard] I was 35 years old

638
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,720
and got to be part
of a 620 million transaction.

639
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,800
I thought I'd finally made it
in the finance industry.

640
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,840
That's where I wanted to be.

641
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,040
[Karin] Djursén transferred
Trustor's money from Sweden

642
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,600
to Trustor's newly opened account
in England.

643
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,320
There, the money passed
through Thomas Jisander's account,

644
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,480
before being sent on to Lord Moyne,

645
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,360
who paid the former owner.

646
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,000
So it looked as though the payment
was coming from the Lord.

647
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
[Joachim] What made it illegal

648
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,560
was when I told Thomas

649
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
to send money from Trustor's account

650
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,920
to his own account,

651
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,920
and then on to Lord Moyne,

652
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,520
and then that Norberg was paid
with the company's own money.

653
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,480
[Thomas clears throat]

654
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520
I wasn't that involved in that.

655
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Joachim claimed
to have financing in place.

656
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040
I was instructed to open an agent account
at Barclays Bank,

657
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,600
in order to receive money
from the financier in question.

658
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,200
Who that was, I didn't know.

659
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,200
[Karin] But you knew there was no money?

660
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,920
-How would have I known?
-[Karin] You must've talked.

661
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,360
The money came from the financier.

662
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,560
That was how I saw it.

663
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,080
I forwarded it to Lord Moyne,
who paid Per-Olov Norberg.

664
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Very straightforward deal.

665
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,240
End of story.

666
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160
The deal was done. Trustor was mine.

667
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,440
[enigmatic string music playing]

668
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,640
I was sitting on a plane,
and I was looking around.

669
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Everything was good in my life.
I owned Trustor.

670
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920
And I thought, "Nobody knows it…

671
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,840
but I'm the richest
and most powerful person on this plane."

672
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920
[string music continues]

673
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:11,240
[Joachim] Trustor's cash reserves
were filled to the brim, nearly a billion.

674
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,120
If I'd wanted to take the money and run,

675
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960
that would have been the moment to do it.

676
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,840
But I had other ambitions.

677
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680
I wanted to build a corporate empire.

678
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,240
[Karin] Posener decided
London would be the site

679
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,880
for this corporate empire.

680
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,280
He'd figured out
that as long as he was living abroad,

681
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
he could avoid
the probation service's supervision.

682
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,160
To get established,

683
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,200
Team Moyne enlisted the help
of a local operator.

684
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,920
[man] At lunchtime,

685
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,600
I have a gin and dry martini.

686
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,960
A little bit of gin…

687
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Evening, whisky.

688
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,520
That's been my habit for about 50 years.

689
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Just a spot.

690
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Skol!

691
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680
[Karin] The first task
was to find an office.

692
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,120
"We need the best office

693
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,200
it is possible to have in London."

694
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,080
"A helicopter pad, if possible."

695
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,520
I'm thinking, "Who are these people?"

696
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,800
Endless money.

697
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,600
[Joachim] This was it.

698
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,720
It was… the place to be
in London at that time.

699
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,520
My office was that one,

700
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,200
all the way at the top,
with its own terrace.

701
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,240
We fought over it.

702
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,480
Everyone wanted it, but I won.

703
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,000
There was always, to me,
a little bit of an aura of mystery.

704
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360
There was one, uh, room in particular,

705
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640
I remember had to have treble walls.

706
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,680
[Joachim] From there, I'd listen
to the meeting going on next door,

707
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,600
directing Thomas over the phone,

708
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160
so he would say
whatever I wanted him to say.

709
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,640
I asked Michael Wynne-Parker

710
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,520
to help furnish the office.

711
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,440
It had to be luxurious.
It had to be "investment banking."

712
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000
It had to be… top.

713
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,320
And money was no object, so I set off.

714
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,880
["Still a Part of Me"
by The Minits playing]

715
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
♪ Yeah, oh… ♪

716
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040
[Joachim] For me, it was important
that things looked right.

717
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,720
I knew that would open new doors
and create opportunities.

718
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,480
And then we discovered Napoleon's desk

719
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
in Harrods.

720
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,320
[Thomas] It was expensive as hell.

721
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Apparently, it came
from the Palace of Versailles.

722
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,080
It was a really nice desk.
I wonder what happened to it.

723
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Poor Napoleon.

724
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,720
[Karin] Everyone on Team Moyne
took fees for their work.

725
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,160
That was not illegal in itself,

726
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,680
but the amounts were unusually high.

727
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,600
They channelled large sums
through accounts in Gibraltar,

728
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,240
Lichtenstein and Switzerland,

729
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,120
and to girlfriends
and other family members.

730
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,480
Before the summer half-year report,

731
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Team Moyne had to show
that no money was missing.

732
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,920
The solution was a one-day loan.

733
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,840
Window dressing from a bank in Luxembourg.

734
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,520
From the outside,

735
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,480
it all seemed to be going very well.

736
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,440
♪ Still a part of me ♪

737
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,720
♪ I can't break free ♪

738
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,440
♪ Still a part of me ♪

739
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,800
♪ I can't break free… ♪

740
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000
[Karin] After the deal,
they lived lavishly in London.

741
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Very lavishly.

742
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,880
Joachim Posener was staying at a hotel.

743
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,720
Thomas Jisander and Peter Mattsson
furnished a shared apartment.

744
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,440
♪ You're still a part of me… ♪

745
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480
[Thomas] It was a fantastic penthouse
with a wraparound terrace,

746
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,680
with views over London and Hyde Park,

747
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880
with huge reception rooms
and golden faucets.

748
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,240
My bedroom was entirely Versace.

749
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,000
I was fully into the Versace thing.

750
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Versace bedspreads, Versace pillows,
Versace dressing gowns… Everything.

751
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Fantastic apartment.

752
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,960
[Joachim] We split up for the summer
and took a break until the fall.

753
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Then we'd get to work.

754
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,240
I told Thomas to keep a low profile.

755
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,960
[whooping]

756
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,040
[man] Whoa!

757
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,560
[whooping]

758
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,480
[laughing and cheering]

759
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,040
Celebrating should be fun, not boring.

760
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,960
And how do you have the most fun?
By doing whatever you want.

761
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,280
We're now walking on Pampelonne Beach.

762
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,840
27 years later.

763
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,360
It's still a little exciting
to "walk the plank" again.

764
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,560
It's kind of fun.

765
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Nerve-wracking,
but exciting at the same time.

766
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,600
We're now approaching the very beach
where we partied after the fantastic deal.

767
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,960
The bar was here.

768
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880
From somewhere over there to here.

769
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200
We did a great job.
I was well paid for my efforts.

770
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,960
Money well-earned, I'd say.

771
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,160
The bar was huge.

772
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,600
We had to celebrate that.

773
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,960
[whooping]

774
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,320
Only proper way to do that
is with a yacht.

775
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400
Peter, wake up! Time to pop the cork.

776
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,240
We boarded that boat in late June,
if I remember right.

777
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,320
We had it for nearly two months.

778
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,480
The boat was equipped
with a helicopter pad.

779
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,840
It wasn't meant for flying 200 yards
from the boat to the beach.

780
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,440
But that's why it was so fun to do it.

781
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,040
We kept thinking we had to raise the bar.
"What are we going to do this time?"

782
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,360
So I started dressing up
to keep things interesting.

783
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,520
I put on

784
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,880
a bra, high heels,
and those big Elton John glasses,

785
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,240
and danced all over the boat
while blasting Star Wars music.

786
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,520
This is the spot we flew in from.

787
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200
To there. Maybe 500 yards?

788
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,160
Up in the air.

789
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520
The only place we could land
was on the roof of the bar.

790
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,720
The bar at Voile Rouge
was made out of concrete.

791
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,280
Four pillars and a very sturdy roof.

792
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,560
That's where we landed
with the helicopter.

793
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,880
But we didn't consider
how strong the rotor blades were.

794
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,800
[imitates whirring rotor blades]

795
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,480
We landed on the roof
and were gonna make a fantastic entrance.

796
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,400
But…

797
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,200
It blew everything away.

798
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,760
People were sitting there eating lunch.
Everyone started running.

799
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,120
[laughs]

800
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,280
Everything was flying around.
People, food in their faces, bolognese…

801
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,280
[imitates choking]

802
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,600
…salmon, shrimp, you name it.

803
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440
All of it was all over everyone's faces.

804
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,600
It looked like a war zone.
I thought, "What the hell do we do?"

805
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,840
I came out of the helicopter riding high
but those people were going to kill us.

806
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,880
To make up for the damage,

807
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,920
I decided to order champagne.

808
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,880
I ordered everything they had.

809
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,040
"What do you mean, all of it?"

810
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,160
"All of it!"

811
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,200
["In My Mind" by Antiloop playing]

812
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,800
[Joachim] The money
was burning a hole in his pocket.

813
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,200
It was crazy.

814
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,080
["In My Mind" continues playing]

815
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,200
[Thomas] It must have been
one of the best summers

816
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,800
for everyone who was on that beach
at Voile Rouge in July 1997.

817
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,840
We got through 408 bottles of Cristal.

818
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,440
♪ In my mind, in my mind ♪

819
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,360
♪ In my mind… ♪

820
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,480
-[music ends]
-[makes fizzing sound]

821
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,680
[Karin] Meanwhile in Sweden,
at the much quieter Stockholm office,

822
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560
vice president Richard Djursén
was trying to hold things together.

823
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,520
I worked through the summer.
I was given a lot of strange tasks.

824
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,840
They could be anything and everything.

825
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,040
A lot of it was rather boring, though.

826
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,360
I changed the locks on doors.
I bought a new fax machine.

827
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Plane tickets arrived for people
that had nothing to do with Trustor.

828
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,080
TO DO

829
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,840
I ran personal errands for them.

830
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,760
UNPAID BILLS

831
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Thomas had an apartment in Vasastan,
not far from there.

832
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,280
I went there to collect his mail
and pay his bills.

833
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,080
With his money.

834
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,360
It's starting to rain.

835
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,240
I need to get these out of the rain

836
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,880
because of all the pollen
in the air right now.

837
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,000
But it's more of a hygiene issue.
I think it makes sense.

838
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Good exercise, too.

839
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,800
Running back and forth.

840
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800
You don't have to do this in Marbella.

841
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Okay, I think that's it.
It's really coming down now.

842
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Oh my God.

843
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,560
That summer,
I got a call from Richard Djursén.

844
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,080
He was hysterical.

845
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,720
"Jocke, Jocke, you have to do something.
It's going to be a disaster."

846
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,040
He said that Thomas had ended up
in Paris Match magazine

847
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,520
with his champagne parties.

848
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,280
So I called him.

849
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,320
But there was no stopping Thomas.

850
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,200
[Karin] You couldn't accuse them
of being boring on the French Riviera.

851
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,960
Thomas Jisander was given the nickname
"Mr. No Limit."

852
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,880
Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander
each bought a Ferrari on a whim.

853
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160
[Thomas] One blue, a Ferrari F355,

854
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,120
and an identical red one.

855
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600
They were around one million francs.

856
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,160
We paid in cash,
got in the cars and drove off.

857
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,760
[engine revs loudly]

858
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,120
I never saw that car again.

859
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,760
I had that Ferrari for 15 minutes.

860
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,760
I don't know where it ended up.
I left it somewhere.

861
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,080
So much happened that summer.

862
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,400
We had one car left.

863
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,680
So we decided to drive down together
to the Versace store in Saint-Tropez.

864
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,640
I was horrified when they told me.

865
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,960
It was the exact opposite
of what you should do

866
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,640
if you've just bought a company
with its own money.

867
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,640
You don't want to draw attention.

868
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,480
We had this unspoken competition going
the whole time.

869
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520
"The one who has most toys
when he dies wins."

870
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,480
More or less.

871
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,440
I would never in my wildest imagination

872
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,800
have thought that anyone
could be so reckless.

873
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,280
I'd underestimated Thomas.

874
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,560
[Thomas] In 1997, that summer,
the Versace store was here.

875
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,200
We rolled up from over here.

876
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:46,920
That's where I stopped.

877
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,640
[imitates screeching brakes]

878
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,400
I dropped Peter off,
and as he's getting out, he says,

879
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,120
"There won't be a single thing left
in the store by the time you come in."

880
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,920
He walked straight into the store.
We'd had a few drinks.

881
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,080
"There'll be nothing left for you at all."

882
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,160
He bought everything in every size.

883
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,840
That set me off.

884
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,120
"How do I top this?"

885
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,640
So I told them that I wanted the rest.

886
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,640
"There's nothing left, sir."

887
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,000
"I'll take the checkout counter,

888
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520
the cash register,
the changing room doors,

889
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,280
the drapes, curtains
and the light fixtures."

890
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,680
"Unscrew everything, the whole store."

891
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Electrical wires were hanging everywhere.

892
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,360
It was completely gutted, like a grenade
had been thrown into the place.

893
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,440
Then the owner came out
with a screwdriver.

894
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,360
There was a Medusa here,

895
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,920
cut in half,
so you could open the door like this.

896
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,440
It was beautiful.

897
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,960
So he unscrewed the handles.

898
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,160
That was it. Nothing left.

899
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,760
Ransacked.

900
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,520
[Karin] How much did you spend
in total, the summer of 1997?

901
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,240
Oy.

902
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,800
I don't know. I can do a rough estimate.

903
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,640
The boat cost three, four million a week,
plus fuel and that sort of thing.

904
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,600
Um…

905
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160
We had it for eight weeks, so…

906
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,800
uh… 50 million, maybe?

907
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Something like that. 40?

908
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,760
-[Karin] Was it worth it?
-Yes, it was.

909
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,000
[Karin] How much were you paid
in total from Trustor?

910
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,360
I don't know the exact figure.
I'm so old now, I can't remember.

911
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:29,600
[man sighs]

912
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,520
If these guys hadn't been gallivanting
around the French Riviera like fools,

913
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
they probably would've got away with it.

914
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360
[Karin] This is financial veteran
Björn Björnsson.

915
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,240
He's been called
the Terminator of the business world,

916
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,800
the industry's own sheriff.

917
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,080
I think they all wanted this.

918
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Money, money, money.

919
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,120
But here's the problem…

920
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Money talks.

921
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,920
That might make you look the other way.

922
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,280
[Karin] Björn Björnsson ended up
taking on more roles than anyone expected.

923
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,760
His first role
was as a board member of Trustor

924
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,040
when the actual purchase was made.

925
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,920
When Lord Moyne stood
as owner of the A shares in Trustor,

926
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,080
I assumed they'd been paid for.

927
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,280
But that wasn't the case.

928
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,920
You can't take 241 million
without it being noticed.

929
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Sooner or later, you get caught.

930
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,160
There had to be more to the plan.

931
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,880
A master plan.

932
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360
[Joachim] My long-term plan
was to build up

933
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,720
and own a corporate empire.

934
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,680
I was going to accomplish that
with a classic pyramid owner structure.

935
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,760
One company that owns another company
that owns a third.

936
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,960
If the first company was Trustor
at one billion,

937
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,760
and the second company
was worth five billion,

938
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680
then the third could be worth ten billion.

939
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,080
After acquiring Trustor,

940
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,960
I used its money
to make my next acquisition.

941
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,240
THE SPORTS DIVISION
WILSON

942
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,680
First, I tried Wilson,
the international sports brand.

943
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,240
But the money came in four days late,

944
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,880
so the deal fell through.

945
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,520
That's how close I was to getting
the next company in place in my pyramid.

946
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,600
[tense music playing]

947
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,200
[Karin] Team Moyne
would acquire new companies

948
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,560
and sell off Trustor's assets.

949
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,680
[Joachim] When we got back to the office
in London after the summer,

950
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
everything was completely different.

951
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,120
[Thomas] Business as usual.

952
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840
It was time to dust ourselves off
and wash the suits.

953
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,720
We had to get back to work
and start looking for new deals.

954
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,240
From my apartment in London to the office,

955
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,320
I travelled every morning
by private chauffeur, in two cars.

956
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,760
I rode in the front one

957
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,360
and my briefcase travelled
in the one behind me.

958
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,720
When it came to showing up to work
on time, I wasn't overly concerned.

959
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920
[Joachim] Thomas arrived on Tuesday
and went home on Thursday.

960
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,520
We argued the whole time.

961
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,440
Thomas had been my loyal henchman.

962
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,040
He'd always done everything for me,
and it was perfect.

963
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,480
Then… he lost his mind.

964
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,160
He sided with Peter Mattsson.

965
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,800
Suddenly it was Thomas and Peter
who were a team,

966
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,240
when it used to be Thomas and me.

967
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,440
I was losing him.

968
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,600
My focus was on finding a solution

969
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520
that would make
my ownership of Trustor legal.

970
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,360
Annual accounts were due on December 31st.

971
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
It was September. I had four months.

972
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,600
So I needed to keep Thomas
somewhat… in check.

973
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,080
I think he was jealous that he was not
living it up in high society like I was.

974
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,920
He wanted to do what I was doing.

975
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,960
If I said A, he said B,

976
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,960
just to make a point
that he also was important.

977
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,880
My entire control of Trustor

978
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,200
depended on Thomas being between me
and the rest of the world.

979
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,000
I had entrusted him
with being the one who held the money.

980
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,720
The money sat in his account, not mine.

981
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,640
He suddenly had the power.

982
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,320
We started shouting at each other,
like children, in front of everyone.

983
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,720
All of a sudden, my hired lackeys
wanted everything to be put to a vote

984
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,080
and decided as a group.

985
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,600
Lord Moyne and Lindsay Smallbone
sat on the board.

986
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,720
I had no role at all.

987
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,880
Then Thomas and Peter
were busy trying to stop a journalist

988
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,200
who'd turned up.

989
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,200
I didn't think much of that at all.
He just wanted to ask a few questions.

990
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,320
I think that's normal after a large deal.

991
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,400
[typewriter clacking]

992
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,080
[Gunnar] It was a coincidence.

993
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,960
I was very new at Svenska Dagbladet.

994
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,080
I was given various assignments.

995
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,840
Lord Moyne had just bought Trustor.

996
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040
We came up with the idea
of doing an interview with him

997
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,640
and trying to profile him.
So I got started.

998
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,360
But when I called Trustor the next day,

999
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,560
he wasn't there.

1000
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,920
I got put in touch with Richard Djursén,

1001
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,440
who promised to set something up for me.

1002
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,480
[Richard] I called Team Moyne,

1003
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520
and they came up with
one reason after another

1004
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,440
to postpone the interview again and again.

1005
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,320
The journalist was irritated,
to put it mildly.

1006
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,200
At that time, it didn't occur to me
that it could be a fraud.

1007
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,000
I just wanted insight.

1008
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,280
The more he discovered,
the more curious he became.

1009
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,240
Over time, I started to feel
that something wasn't right.

1010
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,760
I had doubts about
whether Lord Moyne had any money.

1011
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,360
Instead of the prominent businessman
that he made himself out to be,

1012
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,880
I began to suspect that he might be
the black sheep of the Guinness family.

1013
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,440
In my research, I had also learned about
Peter Mattsson's involvement in a company

1014
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,120
that had swindled wealthy Englishmen
out of their fortunes.

1015
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,840
Lindsay Smallbone had also run companies

1016
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240
and then taken money
for his own personal use

1017
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,440
and things like that.

1018
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,480
A band of thieves, basically.

1019
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,520
I had no idea about any of this.

1020
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,680
Their skeletons
came tumbling out of the closet,

1021
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,360
all the things they'd concealed from me
in order to be part of the deal.

1022
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,760
The irony is, if they had
given me an interview the next day

1023
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,440
when I first called,

1024
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,720
there wouldn't have been a Trustor affair.
At least, not because of me.

1025
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,680
[Karin] Coincidences can set off
a chain reaction of events.

1026
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,080
At the same time as the journalist
started digging into the deal,

1027
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,560
a British private investigator
received a new assignment.

1028
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,000
For the last maybe 35 years or so,

1029
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,880
I've been a fraud investigator.

1030
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,120
It's not rocket science.

1031
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,840
It's like cooking, anyone can do it.

1032
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,360
[Karin] His assignment was to dig up dirt

1033
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120
on one of the parties in a legal dispute.

1034
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,840
And that person happened to be…

1035
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,160
Lindsay Smallbone, Trustor's new CEO.

1036
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,960
The client said,

1037
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,600
"I want to look into Lindsay Smallbone.
I have a bone to pick with him."

1038
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,720
"I'd like you to see who he really is,

1039
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,280
because I think he's a cheat and a crook."

1040
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,880
So we did the background search
on Lindsay Smallbone,

1041
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
and found out that Lindsay was

1042
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,680
a director of a company in Sweden
called Trustor AB.

1043
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,200
So let's see what this company

1044
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,360
he's a managing director of is.

1045
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840
I'm flicking through this file of Trustor.

1046
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,680
There was something
just didn't seem right in that paperwork.

1047
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,280
It looked like the payment was going
to the original owner Norberg afterwards.

1048
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400
And I thought, "Hang on a second."

1049
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,440
"It doesn't make sense,

1050
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,200
because you shouldn't be in control
of the company

1051
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,760
and then pay the person."

1052
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,200
"Something's wrong with this company.
Something's really wrong."

1053
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,000
[tense electronic music playing]

1054
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,960
[Karin] The walls are closing in
from every direction.

1055
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,200
An investigative journalist,

1056
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,120
and, on another front,
a private investigator,

1057
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,760
and, on top of that, the police.

1058
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,760
Because on the same day
the private investigator

1059
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,000
stumbled across
the information about Trustor,

1060
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,640
he had a meeting
with the financial crimes unit

1061
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680
on a completely different matter.

1062
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,920
It was Friday, October 17th, 1997.

1063
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,600
The meeting to see Jochum Söderström
was nothing to do with Trustor.

1064
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,040
That's important.
I just had it on my mind.

1065
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,520
[Karin] That day,
an overly long phone call

1066
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,600
would accidentally cause one of Sweden's
largest police investigations.

1067
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,160
[Nigel] I arrived early,
but Jochum, I could see in one office,

1068
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,520
was on the telephone.

1069
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,400
I directed him to my colleague.

1070
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,200
Nigel went over, they started talking,

1071
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,200
and I continued my call.

1072
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,560
[Nigel] I was being shown this paperwork,

1073
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,920
very privileged to see
what they were gathering intelligence on.

1074
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,400
And I just said, "This is small stuff."

1075
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,160
"Big stuff is actually already happening,

1076
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,160
but it's happening in open space,
on the stock exchange."

1077
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,280
[Jochum] I can see
they're getting worked up.

1078
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,080
At that moment,

1079
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,440
Jochum had finished his phone call.

1080
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,320
He stood there and went, "Nigel,
which company are you talking about?"

1081
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,760
He was able to tell me
it was the investment company Trustor.

1082
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,680
Everything happened between
about 12:30 and six in the afternoon.

1083
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,400
We're talking about six hours.

1084
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,320
Then I was out.

1085
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440
It was sheer coincidence
that we learned about this.

1086
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,440
This became the starting gun
for us to launch the intelligence work,

1087
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,800
and work towards
a preliminary investigation.

1088
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,480
Nigel also told us there was a journalist

1089
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,960
who had already been in contact with them.

1090
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,840
So I decided we should call him in
to see what he knew.

1091
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,920
[Gunnar] So we made a deal.

1092
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,120
"I give you information
and you give me information."

1093
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,680
I knew a very damning newspaper article
was going to come out

1094
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,080
at the end of October.

1095
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,320
But I didn't know the police
had started an investigation.

1096
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,680
At the time, I'd already booked a trip
with my daughter and my girlfriend.

1097
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,000
It was the first time my daughter and I
would be able to go somewhere together.

1098
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,800
Because I'd been in prison,
I'd missed four of her five years.

1099
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,240
Those important years of changing diapers

1100
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,400
and being there to comfort her
when she needed it.

1101
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,560
This was our chance to get a fresh start.

1102
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,280
So I decided to go anyway.

1103
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,120
We went to Barbados for a week.

1104
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,440
[foreboding music playing]

1105
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,680
It was important to work quickly.

1106
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,280
We had to focus on what happened
and who did what.

1107
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,360
It didn't take long until we discovered

1108
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,280
that Lord Moyne was flat broke.

1109
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,520
At the same time,

1110
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,280
we looked into the Swedes,

1111
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,960
Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander.

1112
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760
Did they perhaps have any credit cards?

1113
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,320
Yes, they did.

1114
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,040
A massive amount of money
had been spent in Saint-Tropez,

1115
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,080
buying cases of champagne,

1116
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,080
renting helicopters, renting a boat.

1117
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,600
Really living it up out there.

1118
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,080
We knew we were on to something here.

1119
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,160
We contacted the central bank of Sweden

1120
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,360
to see whether any more money

1121
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,840
had gone abroad.

1122
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,400
We had discovered that over 600 million

1123
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,800
had been paid out to a mysterious account

1124
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,200
at Barclays Bank in London.

1125
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,440
They also told us that the account balance
was almost zeroed out.

1126
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,160
This was serious.

1127
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,520
[tense string music playing]

1128
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,880
[Karin] Everyone on Team Moyne is abroad
as police and the journalist dig deeper.

1129
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,360
Piece by piece, the plan was uncovered.

1130
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,240
-[music ends]
-[typewriter clacking]

1131
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,680
[Gunnar] There was a lot of back and forth
before the article was published.

1132
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:32,960
[sighs]

1133
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,400
Were the facts correct?

1134
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,120
We had to double-check everything
and be absolutely sure.

1135
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,920
[Richard] Then Gunnar Lindstedt
published his article.

1136
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,040
And that was it.

1137
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,000
THE POLICE INVESTIGATES TRUSTOR DEALS

1138
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,320
POWER STRUGGLE INSTIGATED LORD

1139
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,720
PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE TRUSTOR PLOT

1140
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,000
Team Moyne began to panic in London.

1141
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,800
They were demanding answers to questions
that I can't even remember.

1142
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,000
We went back and forth.
I was asked to look into this, deny that.

1143
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,400
All sorts of stuff.

1144
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,840
[Jochum] We went to the Trustor offices.
Richard Djursén was there.

1145
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,280
We sat down to talk to Djursén.

1146
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,560
After a while,
he just broke down completely.

1147
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,160
We needed to find
the person who was in charge of this deal.

1148
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,880
Three people
were part of the Lord's entourage.

1149
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,120
Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander,

1150
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,040
and then there was Joe Falk.

1151
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,320
We knew nothing about him.

1152
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,240
[Gunnar] According to my sources,
this was a key character.

1153
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,880
Who is Joe Falk?

1154
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,640
[intriguing music playing]

1155
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,520
[Jochum] He clearly held
a prominent position.

1156
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,000
Who was Joe Falk?

1157
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,560
EUROCARD - ADDITIONAL ORDER

1158
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,480
That evening,
Richard Djursén calls and tells us,

1159
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,520
"Check out Thomas Jisander's cousin."

1160
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,800
We checked the criminal records.

1161
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,960
And who did we find?

1162
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,680
Joe Falk.

1163
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,880
His real name

1164
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,160
was Joachim Posener.

1165
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,160
[intriguing music intensifies]

1166
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,240
[Joachim] As I prepared
for the Trustor deal,

1167
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,840
I sometimes used

1168
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,240
made-up names,

1169
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,040
such as Joakim Rolfsson,

1170
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,560
Ralph Jobe,

1171
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,080
and Joe Falk.

1172
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,720
I didn't want anyone to associate
the name Joachim Posener with Trustor.

1173
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,040
[music softens]

1174
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,280
While I'm in Barbados,

1175
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,880
my life falls apart.

1176
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,880
I remember I was having lunch
on a sundeck by the pool.

1177
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,360
A waiter comes up to me.

1178
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,880
"Mr. Posener, there's a call for you."

1179
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,480
He points at a telephone there.

1180
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,560
It was back when we had those on the wall.

1181
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,320
I expected bad news,
but… nothing like that.

1182
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,320
I pick up the phone. It's Thomas.

1183
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,720
-Hello?
-[Joachim] Saying…

1184
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,200
"Jocke,

1185
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,200
listen carefully."

1186
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,360
"The police raided us."

1187
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,440
[tense music playing]

1188
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,400
"They've launched
a preliminary investigation."

1189
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,160
"What's that?" I asked.

1190
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,880
He said, "Well, it's not good."

1191
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,600
[chuckles]

1192
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,160
No, it wasn't.

1193
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,280
I knew it was over right away.

1194
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,320
We had to act quickly.

1195
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,640
There was a risk
that the money might disappear

1196
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,960
once they realised what was happening.

1197
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,280
Time was up.
The police were banging on the door.

1198
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,920
They were already inside.

1199
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,880
I had one image in my head.

1200
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Norrtälje.

1201
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,000
I had a video camera.

1202
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:03,720
And, uh,

1203
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,280
my girlfriend was filming me
at the world's most amazing restaurant.

1204
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,600
My daughter said something to me
and I answered her,

1205
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,200
but we talked past each other.

1206
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,560
I was just… not there.

1207
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,320
It was over.

1208
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,240
[clears throat]

1209
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,760
A lot of things were happening at once.

1210
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,760
So I left Barbados on October 31st.

1211
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,240
That same day,
Svenska Dagbladet published their article

1212
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,320
and the police raided Trustor.

1213
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,000
Thomas was waiting for me at Heathrow
when we arrived from Barbados.

1214
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,400
I sent my girlfriend and daughter
back to Sweden.

1215
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,880
My girlfriend was supposed to
sort out a few things

1216
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,000
and then come back to London.

1217
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,320
One of the things
was to go to Thomas's place,

1218
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,200
where I'd left a few things,

1219
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,920
and get rid of them.

1220
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,120
She succeeded, partly.

1221
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,640
She left a notebook behind.

1222
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,160
[Karin] So when the police searched
Thomas Jisander's home,

1223
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,040
they found several pieces of information
that linked Joachim Posener to the deal.

1224
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,600
In Jisander's apartment,

1225
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,960
we found documents
and plans for the crime,

1226
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,840
detailing how they did it.

1227
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:22,120
HOW HE PLANNED TO TAKE OVER TRUSTOR

1228
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,040
They also confirmed
that Joachim Posener was the mastermind.

1229
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,160
[Joachim] It came to light
that 400 million was missing

1230
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,920
from Trustor's accounts.

1231
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,960
Thomas knew a few people in Geneva.

1232
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,920
"They've got a solution, Jocke."
And off we went.

1233
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:43,840
LE RICHEMOND - GENEVA

1234
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Thomas had arranged a meeting

1235
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,600
with the mafia's bankers.

1236
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,480
Both were called Ricardo,

1237
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,360
and they were both Italians.

1238
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:55,280
They had bodyguards with them.

1239
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,120
I realised straightaway

1240
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,920
that they were involved
in organised crime in Italy.

1241
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,200
I was under the impression
that they would present a solution

1242
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,680
that would help me keep Trustor.

1243
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,800
But their solution

1244
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,240
was that they would buy Trustor
and take it over.

1245
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,080
No, we didn't meet them.

1246
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,360
There was no meeting
with Joachim and R1 and R2. No.

1247
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,320
I don't think he ever met them.

1248
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,040
Thomas was in a state of panic.
Well, we all were.

1249
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,960
And in that panic,

1250
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,720
he wanted to pass the hot potato to them,

1251
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,600
and cover up that 400 million shortfall.

1252
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,440
I don't recall that.

1253
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,080
Uh…

1254
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,480
No.

1255
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,280
He thought he could
bring a bank statement to Sweden,

1256
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,440
and show them
that the 400 million was still there.

1257
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,240
And that Ricardo and Ricardo
were the new owners.

1258
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,720
But they wanted to pick the company clean.

1259
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,360
I didn't want that.

1260
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:01,440
Because I realised
that I'd be held accountable for that too.

1261
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,640
So I declined right there and then,

1262
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:04,960
and we left.

1263
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,960
That was the last time I saw Thomas.

1264
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,600
I was only interested
in owning the company.

1265
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,200
But since the police were involved,
I knew that ship had sailed.

1266
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,440
It was not gonna happen. I left Trustor.

1267
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,400
When I left Geneva,

1268
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,920
I was done.

1269
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,520
I'd split my share of the Trustor deal
across three bank accounts.

1270
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,520
One of them was in Israel.

1271
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,560
I thought my accounts would be frozen
and the funds confiscated.

1272
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,320
I thought I'd withdraw the cash,
hide it, and return home.

1273
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,640
I went to an internet café
and followed the news.

1274
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,560
They hadn't published my picture.

1275
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,840
I called a few trusted friends at home.

1276
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,680
But I didn't contact my family.

1277
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,440
I realised they would be
under police surveillance.

1278
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,720
I was really paranoid.

1279
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,440
[Karin] Since everyone
in Team Moyne was abroad,

1280
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,120
the police had to focus

1281
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,120
on the few people
they could find in Sweden.

1282
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,760
For me, it all clicked into place
over the All Saint's weekend that year.

1283
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:28,120
My wife and I were driving down to Skåne
with a trailer, carrying random things.

1284
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280
Bikes and a lawnmower,
things for the summer house.

1285
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:33,440
[phone ringing]

1286
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:34,760
Then the phone rang.

1287
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,160
I was a little more irritable than usual.
I answered, "Hello?"

1288
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,480
"Is this Björn Björnsson?"

1289
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,000
"Course it is," I said.
"Who the hell else would it be?"

1290
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400
"This is the Federal Crime Police."

1291
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:47,160
I did a U-turn.

1292
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,000
I started driving back and they said…

1293
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,040
"We'd like to hold an interview
with you this evening."

1294
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,480
"Okay," I said,
"I'll be there as fast as I can."

1295
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,760
And then I hung up.

1296
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,800
I drove as fast as I could
from Österlen to Stockholm.

1297
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,000
And when I got there,
I was cross-examined for three hours.

1298
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,640
I was a suspect initially.

1299
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,640
I was furious, to be honest with you.

1300
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,840
This always gives me a hard time.

1301
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,520
[Karin] The police also spoke
to vice president Richard Djursén.

1302
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,880
It was a few hours before I was set to go
on my honeymoon to Mauritius.

1303
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,880
I'd spoken to the police
and everything seemed fine.

1304
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,720
They let me go to Mauritius.

1305
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,240
It was not a fun vacation.

1306
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,960
All the journalists kept calling me.
No one else was picking up the phone.

1307
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,000
[Richard, on phone] I understand
Lindsay Smallbone will be explaining

1308
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,960
later today
how the funds have been invested,

1309
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,720
what's happened with the money that is…

1310
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,640
Or rather,
the money that is not at Barclays Bank.

1311
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,400
[chuckles]

1312
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:50,960
[groans]

1313
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,520
In hindsight,
it was a disastrous vacation.

1314
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,400
[on phone] I was only ever
the vice president in name only.

1315
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,040
That's just a title that I've been given.

1316
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,280
In the day to day,
I was more of an errand boy, I would say.

1317
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,400
Djursén just couldn't keep his mouth shut.

1318
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:08,680
He kept yapping.

1319
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,760
[Richard, on phone] Had Lindsay Smallbone
and Lord Moyne been a bit more crafty,

1320
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,720
they could've easily accessed the account
to rectify things.

1321
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,560
There was no stopping him.

1322
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,040
He kept creating new problems.

1323
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,960
[Richard] I've been dragged into something
that has nothing to do with me.

1324
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,240
It went so far
that some of my friends called and said,

1325
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,960
"Don't talk to journalists."

1326
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,840
"It's obvious that you've been drinking
and you're on live TV."

1327
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,920
[reporter] So who appointed you?

1328
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,480
[Richard] Uh…

1329
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,480
Well, officially, I suppose it was…

1330
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,920
uh, the board, I think?

1331
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,640
Disaster.

1332
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,440
Still married, so that's good.

1333
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,120
[Joachim] I was in Israel,

1334
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,000
and just watching this story

1335
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,680
grow bigger and bigger…

1336
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,120
THE BRAINS BEHIND THE COUP?

1337
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,120
…and bigger.

1338
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,960
HUNTED FOR THE MILLION KRONOR COUP

1339
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,360
I was on every front page.

1340
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:08,600
POLICE INVESTIGATE COMPANIES

1341
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,560
The collapse was amazing.

1342
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,360
I mean,
page after page of the British press.

1343
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,880
I mean, everything stopped so quickly.

1344
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,680
One day, it was business.

1345
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,360
The next day, finito.

1346
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:34,800
[Karin] A week
after the affair came to light,

1347
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,800
Thomas Jisander and Peter Mattsson
left the Riviera and returned to Sweden.

1348
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,480
They had intended to come forward
and face the press,

1349
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,760
but found themselves in custody instead.

1350
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,600
CAME TO FACE THE PRESS,
ENDED UP IN CUSTODY

1351
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,400
I was like, "Man, what's the big deal?
Why don't they just ask their questions?"

1352
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,480
"Let's open a bottle of wine
and talk it out."

1353
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,720
PROSECUTOR DETAINED
BOTH JISANDER AND MATTSSON

1354
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,760
We were there all of 15 minutes at most.

1355
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,640
And that was it, done.

1356
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,760
Detained.

1357
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,000
[Karin] Everyone in Team Moyne
was removed from their positions.

1358
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,200
FORCED TO RESIGN - DETAINED

1359
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,000
Posener was arrested in absentia.

1360
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,320
DETAINED IN ABSENTIA

1361
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,200
Meanwhile, Björn Björnsson
took on his second role in Trustor.

1362
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,120
He was appointed the new CEO
while this was happening.

1363
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,680
It was an extremely messy week
when this all blew up.

1364
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,920
The first thing I did as CEO

1365
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,520
was to try and wrap my head around
what actually happened.

1366
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:32,840
NEW CEO, TRUSTOR

1367
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,080
In late fall, early winter,
Björn Björnsson got in touch

1368
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,280
and we met at a lawyer's office.

1369
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,040
I sat there
and told him everything I knew.

1370
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,960
That Team Moyne was intending
to sell some of Trustor's assets

1371
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,320
at far too low a price

1372
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,000
to a previous majority shareholder,
Norberg.

1373
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,320
I prevented that,

1374
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,800
and in doing so
I saved Trustor a lot of money.

1375
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,600
[Björn sighs]

1376
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,800
Well, you can be a useful idiot.

1377
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,520
But that doesn't excuse your actions.

1378
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:11,800
I saw a vice president
who could not do his job properly.

1379
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,120
It was obvious he'd have to go.

1380
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,520
[Richard] Despite telling them
everything I knew,

1381
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,160
I was fired.

1382
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,080
It was so humiliating.

1383
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,360
That time at Trustor was…

1384
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,680
[snuffles, clicks fingers]

1385
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,080
It's still hard.

1386
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,880
POSENER FALK, JOACHIM RALPH
GROSS BREACH OF TRUST

1387
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,160
[Karin] The last trace of Joachim Posener

1388
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,280
was from November 1997.

1389
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,800
NO KNOWN ADDRESS

1390
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,080
He moved around Europe,

1391
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,920
paid in cash,

1392
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,560
and stayed in hotels using aliases.

1393
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,840
He managed to board a plane
to South America

1394
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,280
just days before an international warrant
was issued.

1395
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:01,560
INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANT

1396
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,600
[enigmatic music playing]

1397
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,960
[Joachim] I did know somebody
in the Stockholm criminal world,

1398
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,920
and he knew somebody in South America.

1399
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,200
These people are well-organised
and highly dangerous.

1400
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:29,040
I proceeded to buy what I later learned
is known as a "legend"

1401
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,440
in the world of spies.

1402
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,720
So a shell of a person that you assume.

1403
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,320
They can take decades to create.

1404
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,360
And just like that,

1405
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,000
I was a new man.

1406
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:47,960
-[driver] Is it the next one?
-[Joachim] Yes, straight, and then right.

1407
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,080
I became another person,
who already existed.

1408
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,200
-[woman] Look at his face. So swollen.
-[man] Actually, it's gone down a bit.

1409
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,440
[Joachim] These people hid me
in a small village in Brazil.

1410
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,360
I lived there for many years.

1411
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:08,840
-Hello!
-Hello!

1412
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,440
[Joachim] I spent a lot of time
in a favela, the local slum.

1413
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,960
The police never went there.

1414
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,760
You don't go there uninvited.

1415
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,560
-[indistinct, lively chatter]
-[guitar strumming]

1416
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,480
[Joachim] The territory
was controlled by a drug cartel,

1417
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,120
and they had soldiers at every entrance.

1418
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,880
Nobody would find me there.

1419
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,880
[ominous music playing]

1420
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,960
[news theme playing]

1421
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,640
Good evening.
Recent developments in the Trustor saga…

1422
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,800
[Karin] During the fall of 1997,

1423
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,680
news anchors in colourful ties
continued to report on the Trustor saga.

1424
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,640
…looting of funds.

1425
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,120
The looting of Trustor assets
worth hundreds of millions.

1426
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,360
[Karin] Everybody talked of "looting."

1427
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,320
The looting of Trustor's assets
might never be resolved.

1428
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,600
THE MOST BRAZEN LOOTING

1429
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,120
[Karin] One question remained unanswered,

1430
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,400
where is the money from Trustor?

1431
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:14,360
OH MY LORD, WHERE'S THE MONEY?

1432
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,080
[Joachim] Around 400 million was missing.

1433
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,520
I had used 240 million
to pay the former owner, Norberg.

1434
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,880
The money had been converted into shares
and pledged to the bank.

1435
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,200
So when the police
were looking for the money,

1436
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,040
it's there, as shares.

1437
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,240
There had been speculation about
how much I'd made from the Trustor deal.

1438
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,000
I paid myself ten million in total.

1439
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,960
That's the true figure.

1440
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,520
Maybe not what you were expecting,
but it's true.

1441
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,520
I was planning
to take out ten million a year in salary.

1442
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,360
That was the plan
for the long-term, anyway.

1443
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,520
But nothing turned out
as I had planned, of course,

1444
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,840
and half of the ten million
was frozen by the police and Trustor,

1445
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,800
so I never even got
the full amount of that.

1446
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,960
And then we have Thomas's fee.

1447
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,880
He got five million,
but wasn't satisfied with that.

1448
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,520
From what I understand,
he took another 90 million.

1449
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,160
But that happened behind my back.
It didn't go through me.

1450
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,000
What mattered to me
was paying back the 20 million

1451
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,160
I owed to the Swedish gangsters.

1452
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,440
That way, I wouldn't be in their debt
and wouldn't have problems in the future.

1453
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,120
And 70 million went to various expenses.

1454
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,920
Salaries, travel expenses, office rentals.

1455
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,960
Compensation to Lord Moyne,
Lindsay and Peter.

1456
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:50,400
I bought Trustor,
but I didn't loot the company.

1457
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,680
[Karin] You looted company assets
by buying it with its own money,

1458
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,000
and using the accounts for furnishings,
travel expenses, vacations…

1459
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,320
[Joachim] But if I write,

1460
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,160
uh,

1461
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,160
an invoice, that's not looting.

1462
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,480
It's a business expense.

1463
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,320
I bought a company. I didn't rob anyone.

1464
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,560
[Karin] So if it's not stealing,
then what is it?

1465
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,360
I bought the company
using an unauthorised loan.

1466
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:17,960
That's it.

1467
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,840
[Joachim] This is where we live.
We're in the kitchen.

1468
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:31,880
[clears throat]

1469
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,280
I'm boiling some water

1470
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,680
for breakfast.

1471
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,720
I'm sorry,
I couldn't be bothered to clean.

1472
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,560
The dishwasher can't handle it all.

1473
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,200
We went out to buy some bread.

1474
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,760
I lived off the money from Trustor
for about three years.

1475
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,760
Life on the run is very expensive.

1476
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,360
So is buying a new identity

1477
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,600
and not being able to work.

1478
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,920
It's expensive

1479
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,840
pretending to be somebody else.

1480
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,680
I've seen a lot of this view.

1481
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,720
In order to avoid being found,

1482
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,680
you need to look completely different
to what people expect.

1483
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,400
So curly, black-haired Joachim
shaved his head.

1484
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:26,800
Chubby Joachim became fit Joachim.

1485
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,520
I swapped glasses for contacts.

1486
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,520
I obviously never went home.

1487
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,240
That would have been idiotic.

1488
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,880
First, I stayed in Brazil.

1489
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,240
When the media found out about Brazil,
I'd already moved back to Europe.

1490
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,080
While Joachim was on the run,

1491
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,200
there were all these media reports

1492
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,800
that he'd been spotted
somewhere or another.

1493
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,160
Police believe that a picture
taken by a tourist in South Africa

1494
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,680
is the wanted Joachim Posener.

1495
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,800
[Thomas] They published this picture.

1496
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,280
Those of us who knew him said right away,
"Jesus Christ, that's not him."

1497
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,600
If true, the seven-year manhunt
may have some life again.

1498
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,360
"Have we finally found him?"

1499
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:14,760
"Is this the end of the manhunt?"

1500
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,000
HOW POSENER'S FOOLING THE POLICE

1501
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,320
Various facial composites were created.
Oh, my God.

1502
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,400
There were probably 50 people
who those could have been.

1503
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:27,480
[curious music playing]

1504
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,640
[music ends]

1505
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,120
[objects clattering]

1506
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,200
[Richard] Hold on, where did I put it?

1507
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,840
-Is this it?
-[clattering continues]

1508
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:43,880
Okay, here it is.

1509
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,520
There's a lot in here.

1510
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:46,960
Check this out.

1511
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,520
Newspaper clippings.

1512
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,480
There's a ton of them.

1513
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,320
They used
the worst picture they could find.

1514
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,200
I found that insulting, actually.

1515
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,280
[tuts, laughs]

1516
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,320
This is a nicer picture.

1517
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,520
It doesn't embarrass me.

1518
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,360
Such bullshit.

1519
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:19,680
[Richard sighs]

1520
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Six months after the Trustor scandal,

1521
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,920
I had a one-year-old son
and newborn twins.

1522
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,800
I had no job, all my accounts were frozen,

1523
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,640
and nobody would touch me
with a ten-foot pole.

1524
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,320
I had to sell the house.

1525
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,560
And we moved
to a small rental apartment in Hägersten.

1526
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:44,600
My life changed completely.

1527
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,560
I lost everything, except my family.

1528
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,600
I wanted to take revenge
on all those people who'd hurt me.

1529
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,560
And the person I was most angry with
was Björn Björnsson,

1530
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,640
because he threw me under the bus.

1531
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,600
Because of that, I wanted to end him.

1532
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,720
I drove around where he lives
in Djursholm, past his house.

1533
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,640
He doesn't know about this.

1534
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,520
So I was driving around there
in my car, and…

1535
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,000
This is so crazy.

1536
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:23,800
At one point I could've written a book

1537
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,880
on 300 different ways of killing somebody

1538
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,200
without getting caught.

1539
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,240
Everything from buying a wood chipper
and putting the corpse in,

1540
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,600
then spreading the remains at sea
for the fish to eat.

1541
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,200
You need to dispose of the body somehow.

1542
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,640
There was no Google at the time,
but you could still find out

1543
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,200
how to cremate stuff.

1544
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,160
It's done with high heat, of course.

1545
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,960
You can build it yourself.

1546
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,800
I was going to rent a cabin
in northern Sweden

1547
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,000
and build one of those cremation furnaces

1548
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,120
where all traces are destroyed.

1549
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,960
I sat here
watching Björn Björnsson's house.

1550
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:08,960
I drove around

1551
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,240
checking different escape routes
in his area

1552
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,800
that would allow me to get away quickly.

1553
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,720
I thought I needed to turn myself in.

1554
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,960
I called psychiatric services in Nacka.

1555
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,880
I told them
that I thought I needed to be committed,

1556
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,840
since I was considering… killing someone.

1557
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,040
You only have such violent thoughts
when you're depressed.

1558
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,880
[Karin] Do you still have those thoughts?

1559
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,040
[Richard] Not at all. They're long gone.

1560
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,960
Shit, I didn't start crying. That's weird.

1561
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:44,560
[chuckles]

1562
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:46,840
Oh, dear.

1563
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,400
I thought I'd be crying the whole time.

1564
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:55,480
No.

1565
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,800
As long as… I'm talking
and keep going, it's fine.

1566
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:04,720
I can keep from crying.

1567
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,400
But actually…

1568
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:08,880
[hesitates, coughs]

1569
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,080
No, forget it.

1570
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,000
[breathes deeply]

1571
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,120
[cries quietly]

1572
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,120
Hm.

1573
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:25,720
[Richard sniffling on video]

1574
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,880
It's tragic to see how he's ended up.

1575
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,560
Even considering where he's from.

1576
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000
[Richard sighs]

1577
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:39,760
But he seems to be doing alright.

1578
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,000
He's driving a Porsche
and has a nice house.

1579
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,040
He's doing well financially.

1580
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,080
[dramatic music playing]

1581
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,080
STOCKHOLM DISTRICT COURT
2001

1582
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,760
Today saw the start of the trial
of those involved in the looting of assets

1583
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,120
from Trustor.

1584
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,520
[Karin] Financial crime is hard to prove,

1585
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,640
and becomes even more complicated
when committed abroad.

1586
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,360
In this case,
the key figure was also missing,

1587
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:09,000
which meant that the legal proceedings
were doomed to fail.

1588
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,720
Lindsay Smallbone was not prosecuted
and walked free.

1589
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,880
New Zealand
has no extradition agreement with Sweden.

1590
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,840
Lord Moyne was prosecuted,

1591
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:24,160
but claimed that some of the signatures
on the Trustor documents were not his.

1592
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,000
He also walked free.

1593
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,040
FRONTMAN WALKS FREE

1594
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,960
-[man] Why were you important for them?
-Name.

1595
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:32,720
The name.

1596
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,200
I'm bankrupt.

1597
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,600
It's as simple as that.

1598
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,800
[Karin] Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander

1599
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,640
were initially convicted
by the district court.

1600
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,640
[Thomas] I was sentenced
to five years in prison,

1601
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,320
a nine-year ban on business activity

1602
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,680
and had to pay 100 million in damages.

1603
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,560
[Karin] But they appealed the decision.

1604
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,960
This time round, we were better prepared.

1605
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,920
FRESH START IN TRUSTOR CASE

1606
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,480
[Karin] Since the key figure was missing,

1607
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,560
it became convenient to blame him.

1608
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:07,600
"TRICKED BY POSENER"

1609
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,080
[Joachim] During the trial,

1610
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,880
they came up with absurd arguments
for their innocence.

1611
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,160
THE PROSECUTED BLAME POSENER

1612
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,080
The prosecutor claimed to have found
incriminating documents

1613
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,880
on the computer found in my apartment.

1614
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,720
But who used that computer?

1615
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,880
We brought in a technical expert

1616
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,640
who demonstrated to the court

1617
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,800
how easy it would be
to access a computer remotely.

1618
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,880
We were able to prove
that was a possibility.

1619
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,040
PROGRAM FOR DATA TRANSFER

1620
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,760
Then it was in the hands of the court,
and evidently they believed it, as well.

1621
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,720
Today they were acquitted
by the court of appeal.

1622
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,760
There was not enough evidence

1623
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,840
against Thomas Jisander
and Peter Mattsson.

1624
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,760
It's been incredibly tough,

1625
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,960
but it's with great relief I can say that,
luckily, there is justice in this world.

1626
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,040
TRUSTOR SCANDAL VILLAINS WALK FREE

1627
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,280
[Jochum] Posener was never convicted.

1628
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,400
He vanished.

1629
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,520
And we've not heard from, or seen…

1630
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,720
[golfer] Fore!

1631
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:15,840
Sorry.

1632
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:19,200
He's gone up in smoke, so to speak.

1633
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,400
I left the police force.

1634
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:25,680
I needed to try something different.

1635
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,240
I started working at a golf club.

1636
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,360
It obviously haunts me
that we never caught Joachim Posener.

1637
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,160
What the…

1638
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,040
It would give closure,
an ending to it all.

1639
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:43,840
That's how I feel.

1640
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,160
I find it strange
that you can stay away for 30 years.

1641
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,640
Not seeing your family,

1642
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,080
and having to look over your shoulder.

1643
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,560
It must be like losing your identity.

1644
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,400
[lively chatter in background]

1645
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,040
[Joachim] Being in hiding
means I've been able to live a life

1646
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:11,520
on my own terms.

1647
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,960
Where I live, nobody calls me Joachim…

1648
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,240
Charlie, how are you, my friend?

1649
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,200
How are you? Good to see you.

1650
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,360
See you soon.

1651
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,080
…despite the fact
that I regained my passport

1652
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,720
and my real name a long time ago.

1653
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,000
[Karin] What's your life like?

1654
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,640
[Joachim] I live kind of

1655
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,520
a bohemian lifestyle.

1656
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:49,760
There.

1657
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,680
Not in my native country,

1658
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,520
not even in my wife's native country.

1659
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,960
One foot in society and one outside.

1660
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,200
Do I need to make a living? Absolutely.

1661
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,800
I've worked with what I know best,

1662
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,160
as a consultant and advisor.

1663
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,480
But in the shadows.

1664
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,240
[woman] What do you want
people to know about you?

1665
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,280
[Joachim] It was never about money.

1666
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,120
It was about… the challenge.

1667
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,840
The adrenaline you get from such deals
is my drug.

1668
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,440
Yeah, it can be hard to stop
once you've started.

1669
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,400
Have you got a family?

1670
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:42,200
Yes. A wife and two kids.

1671
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,120
-[woman] Girls or boys?
-Girls.

1672
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,920
Do you get to see them?

1673
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,520
-I live with my youngest.
-Okay.

1674
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,160
And I've promised
not to talk about my other daughter.

1675
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,120
How old are they?

1676
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,120
The youngest is 15
and the older one is 32.

1677
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:00,920
[woman] The same age as me.

1678
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,040
Then I could be your daughter.

1679
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,000
Yes, actually.

1680
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,400
[Karin] The biggest victim
might be your daughter.

1681
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,040
What are your thoughts?

1682
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,800
It is extremely sad and tragic.

1683
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,280
But I wouldn't have…

1684
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,000
I would have gone insane
spending ten more years in prison.

1685
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,520
I couldn't do it.

1686
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,440
[Karin] Given how things turned out…

1687
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,240
You've lived in hiding and lost contact
with your family and your daughter.

1688
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,000
Was it worth it?

1689
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,280
That's a very complicated…

1690
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,960
A simple,
yet complicated question, because…

1691
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,240
Had I not done the Trustor deal,

1692
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,880
I would not have my current wife,

1693
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,440
or my child.

1694
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880
Was it worth
not spending another ten years in prison?

1695
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,640
Absolutely.

1696
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,720
[Karin] And what about the price
that your family in Sweden had to pay?

1697
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,440
It was worth it for me,
but maybe not for them.

1698
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,600
[tense, pulsating music playing]

1699
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,000
[Karin] On to the most absurd consequence
of the whole affair,

1700
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,960
Trustor's shareholders profited big time.

1701
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,280
In order to understand this,

1702
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,960
we need to look at Björn Björnsson's
third and last role,

1703
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,720
as the liquidator
tasked with winding down Trustor.

1704
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,680
Our mission was to recover
as much money as possible.

1705
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,560
Pay off all the debts,
sell all the assets.

1706
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,720
Whatever was left
went to the shareholders as dividends.

1707
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,120
150 MIL INVESTED AT
STOCK EXCHANGE

1708
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,360
[Karin] The liquidators found money
in Team Moyne's accounts around the world.

1709
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:50,360
770 MIL
BARCLAYS BANK

1710
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:55,680
Thomas Jisander was ordered
to pay back 65 million in a settlement.

1711
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:57,320
BARCLAYS BANK SUED

1712
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,880
The banks involved
were sued for substantial amounts,

1713
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,080
and Trustor's undervalued assets
were sold.

1714
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,920
So despite the missing money,

1715
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,040
the value of the shares doubled
after the scandal.

1716
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,080
THE TRUSTOR
SCANDAL IS REVEALED

1717
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:17,920
[Björn sighs]

1718
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:22,680
It's ironic
that the shareholders got a good deal.

1719
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:31,200
[Karin] Crimes had been committed,
but the establishment lost out.

1720
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,320
The taxpayers paid the bill
for work carried out by the authorities.

1721
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,520
And everyone involved walked free.

1722
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,120
Well, nearly everyone.

1723
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:43,960
As some say,

1724
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,280
why follow the law

1725
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,000
when you can treat it as a guideline?

1726
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:50,920
[wistful music playing]

1727
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,880
[Richard] I'm doing great now.

1728
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:57,560
Just dandy.

1729
01:35:58,360 --> 01:35:59,760
I've got a good life.

1730
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,400
I've worked hard.

1731
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,440
I've started businesses
that have done really well.

1732
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,000
I've sold businesses and made a fortune.

1733
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,600
I am now financially independent
and can do whatever I want.

1734
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,360
[wistful music continues]

1735
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,320
[Thomas] Well, as I said,
"Nobody remembers a coward."

1736
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,880
Every krona that came out of Trustor,
in one way or another, has been spent.

1737
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,400
It was completely impossible to predict

1738
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:41,840
that I would earn as little
from this transaction as I did.

1739
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,080
[laughs quietly]

1740
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:59,480
[Joachim] After Trustor,
I knew I had made my mark on the world.

1741
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,800
That was satisfying.

1742
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:08,840
But what drove me to it
is no longer in me.

1743
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,680
The freedom I sought through money

1744
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,640
has been replaced
with another kind of freedom.

1745
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,360
One where no one can control me.

1746
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,320
And I choose where I want to be.

1747
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,680
And also choose when I vanish.

1748
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,800
[Thomas whistles]

1749
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:33,320
[Joachim] The crazy thing
is that Thomas got in touch with me

1750
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:34,720
during the trial.

1751
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,160
And he asked me,

1752
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,600
"Can we do it again?"

1753
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,920
[suspenseful music playing]

1754
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,160
THOMAS JISANDER WAS SENTENCED
YEARS LATER

1755
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,560
TO A SHORT PRISON TERM

1756
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,760
FOR INCITEMENT TO GROSS EMBEZZLEMENT

1757
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:57,920
"IT WAS A WONDERFUL

1758
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,080
SIX-MONTH SPA EXPERIENCE!"

1759
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,560
THOMAS JISANDER

1760
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,320
LORD MOYNE'S FAMILY INFORMED US

1761
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,680
THAT HE CAN'T TAKE PART
DUE TO HEALTH REASONS

1762
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,120
PETER MATTSSON, HOWEVER, HASN'T REPLIED

1763
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,000
LINDSAY SMALLBONE HAS PASSED AWAY

1764
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,840
NAPOLEON'S DESK HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

1765
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,640
[energetic synth pop music playing]

1766
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,720
A FILM BY
KARIN AF KLINTBERG

1767
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,840
[dog barking inside]

1768
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,160
[muffled chatter]

1769
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,120
[synth pop music continues]

1770
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,440
Just have a look at my fire.

1771
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:50,800
[short beep]

1772
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,440
Magical fire.

1773
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,880
Several people have looked and said,
"Oh, what a lovely fire."

1774
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:57,960
Thinking it's a real fire.

1775
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,440
[clock ticking]